May 28, 2025 • 50 mins
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Death isn't the end—it's a transition as natural and necessary as birth. This profound realization emerged as Hilary and Les shared their personal journeys from fear to understanding what exists beyond our physical bodies.
Hilary's story begins with childhood anxiety about death that haunted her into adulthood. A palm reader's prediction that she might die in her 30s created years of fear until near-death-like experiences at 21 and 31 propelled her toward deeper exploration. She describes consuming near-death experience accounts "like a drug" initially, before finding lasting peace and eventually working professionally with NDE experiencers.
For Les, the journey began when his Catholic upbringing collided with discoveries about reincarnation during university religious studies. The conversation explores how scientific examination of near-death experiences provides compelling evidence of consciousness continuing after physical death. Organizations like NDERF and IANDS have documented thousands of cases showing consistent patterns across cultures—patterns that deserve serious consideration rather than dismissal.
Through hypnosis, they've both accessed past lives and the "life between lives" state described by Michael Newton. These experiences weren't merely imaginative but felt like accessing genuine memories, complete with sensory details and perspectives entirely different from our current personalities. The therapeutic value of these regressions has transformed not only their lives but countless clients who've shifted from rigid, unhappy worldviews to more open, creative approaches to existence.
Perhaps most fascinating is an exploration of channeling—receiving wisdom from non-physical consciousness. Hilary describes how her channeled messages have evolved over time, becoming more distinct and clear as her connection deepens. This direct communication with higher wisdom reinforces what hypnotic regression reveals: we are not our bodies. We are consciousness having a temporary physical experience.
The wisdom that emerges is deceptively simple yet profoundly transformative: we're here to learn and create in a world of duality. Everything important, yet nothing ultimately matters. Understanding this doesn't eliminate life's challenges, but it fundamentally transforms our relationship with death, fear, and purpose. As they reflect on Les's father's choice to end his suffering, we see how our medical systems often fight against death as an enemy rather than recognizing it as a doorway we all eventually walk through.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
And then eventually, I became a hypnotist and I
worked with near-deathexperience, still work with them
to help them understand theirexperience, to help them
integrate their experience, tohelp them integrate back into
the body, because a lot ofpeople that have died feel like
they've got one foot out and onefoot in.
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They don't really feel attachedto the body.
They have a lot of OBEsout-of-body experiences randomly
, so they have to reintegrateproperly.
And so this is sort of, in anutshell, my overview of my
journey, and I still watchnear-death experiencers talk
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about their story, but I'm notgrasping anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I don't feel welcome to coffee with Hillary, and we
are a couple of hypnotists whohave created a podcast about
freeing our minds from old ideas, old thoughts and old habits,
those old things that interferewith our ability to make fresh
new choices.
It's time for us all to createthe life of our dreams.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
We're on the line.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's only about five minutes later.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, it's like we teleported here Days later.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, I'm really hoping that the last podcast was
received, you know,respectfully, like we.
Really, I really wanted to berespectful and I really want to
offer a whole bunch of ideasthat might be really helpful to
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expand your own view, your ownview to be able to formulate and
come to a new, maybe morecomforting, more exciting, more
peaceful view of death.
And I think to do that, I wantto just start off getting
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Hillary to talk about.
Well, I've known you now for afair bit of time and it really
wasn't that long ago maybe eight, nine years ago that you had
some real strong emotions aboutdeath and fear of death and fear
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of death, and so maybe you cantalk about where that came from
and what happened, what you didthat caused a shift.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, how many hours do we have?
Okay, so where do I start Start?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
with your history.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, so I was born February 20th.
It starts with there being aninterest in Is the word esoteric
(03:32):
correct?
I don't know, I don't want touse that word improperly Like
oracle cards, tarot cards youknow, I was the teenager that
brought tarot cards to school,you know, and I didn't really
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know what it was all about.
I felt a connection to them andyou know my family we would
hang out in this little new ageshop and there would be, you
(04:14):
know, psychic classes now andagain and there would be just
different thoughts of the worldand how we're connected thoughts
of the world and how we'reconnected, and so that was my
base line that I started with inmy teenage years.
So I think I mentioned this ina couple podcasts back.
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But you know, I had a in myearly 20s.
Somebody close to me passedaway quite quickly and I had
this anxiety that welled upthese panic attacks.
For some reason they were notabout death as much as they were
(05:05):
about well, how do I get out ofthe body when we die?
Such a weird thing to think.
But I found a wonderfulspiritual therapist, so I'm
guessing she was apsychotherapist and a spiritual
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therapist in one and she helpedme.
And then I had my firstout-of-body experience.
So then I closed down actuallyafter that because it was
terrifying to me, so terrifyingto me.
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So I'm just going over the kindof the biggest milestones and
stuff like that.
There's lots of stuff in themiddle, but basically I had my
palm red when I was a teenager,young, young teenager, maybe not
even a teenager, but anyway Iinterpreted what was said as
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very bad, basically saying thatI would maybe pass away in my
30s and so, if you can imagine,I held on to that all the way up
and it terrified me because Ididn't know.
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Obviously I didn't have abelief.
Let's say that I didn't have abelief.
I didn't have anything that Icould hold on to.
And I I thought every year ohmy gosh, this is gonna be the
year, this is gonna be there.
And I was really scared now,leading up to that, at and 31, I
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had what you would callnear-death-like experiences.
They mimic a near-deathexperience and I'll never know
if I actually died.
People say I did, but I don'tknow if I actually died.
(07:28):
People say I did, but I don'tknow.
So basically twice in my sleep,21, 31 you know I'm 41, this
year's I'm do so thoseexperiences at I had no idea
what the heck was going on.
At 31, I had the experience andmy world started to really
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start expanding in the way ofwhat do I believe in?
And I don't know if it wasaround that time.
It all seemed so mushedtogether, all the things I was
doing.
But I remember reading.
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I don't know how I came acrossthe book, but I remember reading
Anita Morajani's Dying to Be Me.
She had stage four cancer, wentinto the hospital for her final
day, basically died, and thenlearned about death after she
died and then was told to goback to the body.
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And then, you know, as we do,we, we say no, you know, they
say yes.
And so she went.
She came back to the body withthe knowledge of what's on the
other side in her view, and sherecovered from stage four.
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I think in like six weeks.
Everything had left her bodybecause she was in this
vibration, let's call it.
So this was fascinating to me.
And then I dove into the worldof near-death experiences.
And near-death experiences arelike a drug at first right, you
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plow through them.
Anyone who's watched them knowsit.
You go through them almost,like the next one will bring me
more relief, relief, relief,right.
And then you get to a point inwatching them where you go okay,
I'm not looking for that nextbiggest near-death experience
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that's going to bring me peace,but you just become peaceful
about it all, hopefully.
So then I thought you know why.
I'm at the point in my life now,my early 30s, where I'm
wondering, like, why am I soobsessed with these?
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Is there a reason?
Right, I was finishing updesign school or going through
it and um, and then eventually Ibecame a hypnotist and I worked
with near-death experience,still work with them, um, to
help them understand theirexperience, uh, to help them
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integrate their experience, tohelp them integrate back into
the body, because a lot ofpeople that have died feel like
they've got one foot out and onefoot in.
They don't really feel attachedto the body.
They have a lot of obe's out ofbody experiences randomly, so
they have to reintegrateproperly.
And so this is sort of, in anutshell, my overview of my
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journey.
And I still watch near-deathexperiencers talk about their
story, but I'm not graspinganymore.
I don't feel I find themfascinating because it's almost
like stages that you go throughand watching them.
You, you see them and at first,there you notice it, things
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about them.
And then you go through anotherstage where you're you're
thinking, well, does you knowwhat everybody have this or what
if I don't have this?
And there's just all thesestages that you go through after
watching them and learningabout them and studying them,
that that I think everyone, ormost everyone, would go through
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those stages at some point andthen come out on the other side
with hopefully more peace.
And then, sort of mashed in themiddle there there's spiritual
experiences that are over andabove are you know over and
above which sort of just set instone, for the most part, the
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emotional part of me that feelsconnected to something greater
than myself and if I missedanything, just let me know than
myself.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And if I missed anything, just let me know For
me.
Yeah, that's the great theme.
I think that if I was to offerthe first reframe, the first
reframe I would offer you isthat if you want to know, you
can find out.
It was once said to me you know, how can you know?
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Nobody can know, and I disagreewith that.
I think that there's a lot ofinformation, a lot of
methodologies.
I think that I believe in thatsaying that comes, you know, out
of the Bible.
Really, seek and ye shall findyou know.
Ask and it will really.
Seek and ye shall find you know, ask and it will be given.
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Seek and ye shall find.
I have never had, let me say ita different way.
I have always had theexperience that when I have a
strong question in my mind, Ifind the answer.
It just comes upon me, it justcomes to me and you know.
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For me, the short version ofthe long story is I grew up
truly loving my mother, lookingup to her in every way.
She was very Catholic, and sowas I, I suppose, and I was
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maybe 12 or 13 when I firstheard the idea of reincarnation
and I was like what Right?
Because I had been raised soclearly that you're born, you
live, you die, you get judged,and that was such a strong
message in the Catholic Church.
So to discover thatChristianity is really the only
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religion that does notacknowledge reincarnation and
that, in fact, it was theConference of Nicaea.
It was 500 years into theCatholic Church before they said
no, we're not going to supportideas of reincarnation anymore.
And for me that was a really,really big one.
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And, of course, my desire toknow truth.
My desire to know truth, mydesire to know god, I suppose,
led me to go to university andstudy religion.
And it was.
I was researching a paper onstudying early christian rites
of death.
I was all about the rituals,trying to understand where do
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these rituals come from?
What's the history anyway?
Where do these rituals comefrom?
What's the history, anyway?
It was there that I happened tobump into a book on near-death
experiences written by a Dutchprofessor.
He essentially cataloged allthese people who had died.
Now there's another book by aguy named Moody.
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Is it John Moody?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
No, raymond.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Moody, raymond Moody.
Another book by a guy namedmoody.
Is it john moody?
No, raymond, raymond moody.
Um, you know, and who's the onewho?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
wrote proof of afterlife proof of afterlife is
um.
It starts with an l.
I can't remember another nde abig, big nde guy.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Um, anyway, all of this was approaching a very
scientific methodology, whichwas why is it that people who
are clinically dead and comeback all report the same
sequence of experiences and thesame kind of deeply committed
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new ideas?
What's the name of the guy?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Jeffrey Long.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Jeffrey Long.
Jeffrey Long, and in JeffreyLong's book he actually goes in
quite a lot of detail catalogingall the different aspects of
people's near-death experiencesand what percentage of
near-death experiences recordedhave the same or similar reports
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, and it's in from 55 to 75percent of these reports are
contain all the same components.
And there's been, you know, alot of people who want to
dismiss this or poo-poo this,and I can understand if.
If you can't independently orquote-unquote, objectively prove
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this, why you would be inclinedto dismiss it.
At the same time, you know, Iconsider and I've said this
before the most unscientificthing you can ever do.
If you really want to violatescience, you ignore evidence.
That's like a scientific crime,right.
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If a scientist is out there andthey take a body of evidence
that contradicts their thesisand they hide it or they dismiss
it out of hand or they usenon-scientific ways, scientific
ways of denying its veracity,that's a scientific crime, right
.
And for me, the worst thing youcan do if you claim to be
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scientific in your approach isto ignore evidence and that if
the scientific method has value,it's because we look at things
and we try to find patterns, wetry to find consistency.
Anyway, that's what thesepeople have done in terms of
examining near-death experiences, and there are hundreds of
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thousands globally of reportsthat are available for people to
explore.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Can I make just a note on that?
Explore, can I make just a noteon that?
There's two big bodies ofreports NDERF N-D-E-R-F, and
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IANDS I-A-N-D-S.
And I just wanted to interjecthere because a lot of people
will say to me well, they'reprobably just making it up.
Those two bodies make it solong to put in your experience
that um, and they vet they, theyvet them, um, they make it so
um in detail that, uh, you know,um, it know it's very little
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the amount of people that wouldgo through the process to just
make something up.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, they collect and categorize case studies,
they put them together andpublish them.
They're very stringent in theirmethods.
They insist that there's actualmedical evidence of death
before you can, even before youcan even be considered to tell
your story.
Um, yeah, there's a realtendency to dismiss this stuff.
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The common is that when you,when you die, something happens
to your brain and that createsall of this.
And I guess I take again, Itake offense to that because to
me that's a scientific crime,because there's absolutely no
evidence People have tried todetermine is there a chemical
that gets released in the brainof these people?
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They found absolutely noevidence of it whatsoever and
yet people still go out and theythey offer this as the
explanation to dismiss peoplewho come forward with near-death
experiences.
So we have this, thisexperience that has incredible
consistency among people acrosscultures around the world, with
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proof of death collected in veryscientific and stringent ways.
And then people want to dismissit out of hand with a completely
non-scientific, non-proven, noevidence whatsoever.
Dismissal of all.
That's just a chemical in thebrain.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
What I found interesting too sorry to
interrupt is more and more whatI'm hearing is that the death is
not so.
There's the brain death, whichtakes a little bit right, but
people are up and out of thebody at the heart death.
So when the heart stops beating, you're out, not when the brain
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stops working.
The body has its own processes,right, like we explained in the
last.
So when the heart stops andeven before I won't go into all
of it but the heart stops, um,you're right, right, uh, anyway,
continue so anyway, there's,this is not, this stuff is not
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nice, non-scientific, and it's.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's okay if people say you know, um, you know, I'm
not going to put any effort intoresearching that, that's okay.
I really do believe that we areas beings.
Our mind is a collection ofprograms that were given to us
and they're given to us withlove and we embrace them with
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love, which is part of my.
You know, I love my mother.
I admired my mother.
I followed her.
She seemed to have a realcommitment to God and her church
.
I wanted to follow in that.
I did follow, in that I becamevery, very curious about my
church, about my experience, myreligion.
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That caused me to do research.
In doing that research, Itumbled across all kinds of
things that were contradictory,you know, finding out that you
know probably nearly half of theglobe, global religions are
accepting, if not promoting ofthe concept of reincarnation and
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reincarnation itself, you know,has a broad spectrum of
interpretations and beliefs.
But to see these ideas, to seethese ideas widely held, to see
them supported with the ideathat people have died and come
back, these were things thatreally caused me to question my
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own thoughts and beliefs.
And it started something for methat I've never turned away
from since, which is I startedto trust myself.
I started to believe in my ownbullshit detector.
I started to believe in my ownability to hear truth and be
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open-minded to it.
Not that I was fast to changemy opinion, but I think a lot of
the time I find myself to bemore willing to change my
opinion than the average person.
I see opinions as temporarythings.
I see opinions as a step alongthe path of discovery.
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I see what's much moreimportant than my temporary
opinion is my own curiosity tocontinue to look, to continue to
discover, to continue to lookfor meaningful evidence that
allows me a better opportunityto be right.
I think one of the things thatwe do badly in our world, in our
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culture, is we really weidolize the idea of being right.
We embrace the idea of beingright as more important than
being on a journey, moreimportant than being in the
process of exploration.
More important than ourcuriosity is to be able to say
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I'm right, you're wrong.
We take a great deal of powerinto ourselves when we believe
that we are right, and whathappens when you think you're
right is you really do close thedoor to ever being right?
Because once you formulate anopinion and you won't let go of
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it, then all the evidence in theworld is going to come to you
to help you learn and know andunderstand more.
And you're so busy defendingyour opinion and this is where I
see the world of bias you're sobusy defending your opinion
that you're missing out on theopportunity to really know the
truth.
You're missing out on theopportunity to really know
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what's right, and so for me,it's a much better methodology
to say oh, that's interesting,when does that information come
from?
How is that collected?
Is that credible, Is thatmeaningful?
There's nothing wrong withbeing skeptical, there's nothing
wrong with using your criticalthinking, but it is a complete
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loss of your critical thinkingabilities when you just rigidly
stick to an established opinion.
So, yes, I really believe seekand you will find and that's
been a theme of my life and lookwithin and.
Then you, you're accessing stuffthat I've really Decided to
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explore deeply with hypnosis,which is, you know, your higher
mind, the part of you thatsometimes can overcome that
which Causes you to be afraid,the part of you that sometimes
can overcome that which causesyou to be afraid, the part of
you that drives you forward incircumstances because of ideas
and principles and and strongbeliefs, that part of your mind
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that says keep going, that partof your mind that says there's
more here and that's reallycaused me to become really
curious.
So in many respects I wasunhappy with my life.
I was unhappy with me and Idecided to explore this thing
about hypnosis.
And I saw this peggy kelly, whoturned out to be my hypnotist
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and then my teacher, and thenreally you know somebody that I
really admire and skilled as ahypnotist and and prominent in
our profession.
Her signs were all over townand I just decided I'm gonna.
I'm gonna explore hypnosis.
There's a lot that I can'texplain about my mind and I've
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done a lot of reading.
I've been a child care worker,I learned about counseling, I've
done a lot of exploring aboutthe mind and this was sort of
the next step and it was reallya spiritual kind of step for me.
But to cut to the chase, Isigned up with Peggy for six
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sessions.
On our first couple of sessionswe regressed and I experienced
moments early in my life that Ididn't remember but as I
recalled them, as they came backto me, I could see how
instrumental they were in theway I felt about myself and the
way I felt about the world, andthat regression really helped me
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to reframe aspects of myotherwise rigid personality.
But in the next three sessionsand the process is really simple
and if you ever come tohypnosis, you're going to hear
me say this quite simply whichis I'm going to count backwards
from five, and when I get to one, we're going to hear me say
this quite simply which is I'mgoing to count backwards from
five and when I get to one we'regoing to be where this problem
began.
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And that's just a nice littlegentle way of regressing
somebody.
You get them to focus on theiremotion, on that feeling that is
interfering with their life,and you need to understand what
it is and where it comes from.
And that's the nature ofregression and it's a simple,
simple way of doing it.
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I'm going to count backwardsfrom five and when I get to one,
we're going to be right whereit all began, and it's just five
, four, three, two, one, bethere, be there now.
Are you inside or outside?
Is it daytime or nighttime?
Are you alone or with someone?
What's happening?
And in those sequence ofquestions, it's amazing what
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happens if you're in a deepenough hypnotic state.
So Peggy did that to me, andthree times I ended up in prior
lives.
Peggy did that to me, and threetimes I ended up in prior lives
.
Now I say it this way I knowthe difference between memory
and imagination.
I know when I sit and think inmy mind and I try to imagine
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something new.
I know where I go in my mind, Iknow how that feels, I know how
that looks in my mind and Ialso know when I'm having memory
.
You know memory I search memoryis much more like a tape
recorder, it's much more like adatabase.
It's it's you're going tosomething right.
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So I know the difference in mymind, my experience of
remembering and my experience ofcreating, and these were
clearly memories I didn't know Ihad.
And through deep, deep focusand deep, deep hypnosis, I was
able to go back and experiencepast lives.
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And it's, you know, I thinkBrian Weiss and Michael Newton
said really interesting things.
They said we don't know if pastlives are real or not.
What we know is they can be verytherapeutic, and this was very
therapeutic for me.
But it was also very convincingfor me to go back and
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experience a past life.
To go back and experience apast life, um, and the vivid
nature of it, the visceralnature of it, um, the smells
that came to me in some, of thetastes that came to me in some,
some of those experiences, um,the, the discovery of these
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personalities that were, yeah,on reflection, strikingly
different from mine in any event, it was those experiences that
really convinced me that I hadhad a number of prior lives.
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And then in our final sessionshe took me to the life between
lives the blue mist she calledit then.
There's a lot of words thatpeople use to describe it, but
it is the world that we comefrom when we decide to have
these experiences in thesephysical bodies.
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And there's a hypnotist,michael Newton.
His books are Journey of Souls,destiny of Souls.
They're wonderful books andhe's also written a book on how
to do life between life, lifehypnosis and Hillary and I are
both trained in this now andit's really part of almost every
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client I have.
We end up doing some aspect ofgoing back and looking at the
plan that led them into thislife.
But anyway, I've had thatexperience, I've had that
training.
I've read Michael Newton'sbooks countless times.
There are a number of otherauthors Robert Swartz who have
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used this kind of hypnosis todiscover this world that exists
like a point of departure forour lives.
And the last thing I'd probablysay very, very striking
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experience was I was going outto my son was living in Kelowna.
He was in a play in a localtheater.
I promised him I'd come and seehim.
So I got on the plane and inCalgary we had to shift planes
to the small plane to take us toKelowna.
I had been reading a bunch ofvery spiritual, hypnosis-based
material.
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I was deep into my journey ofunderstanding things.
I'd even said to myself geez, Ithink I'd like a near-death
experience, which is kind ofdisturbing, but it is
nonetheless where I was in mymind at the time.
And I got on the plane and everyseat was taken except one, and
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so I had no choice.
I got on that one.
It was just a small plane.
There were maybe 20, 30 peoplein it.
It was just a short flight.
Anyway, I got into the emptychair and there, sitting beside
me, was a guy, his name wasJeremy, and Jeremy was reading a
Buddhist book that I had read afew months before.
And so, just because I was inthat kind of open space in my
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mind, I turned to him and saidwhat do you think of that book?
And he started talking about it.
He says but you know, myperspective is kind of strange.
I said, oh really, how so?
He said, well, because I diedand he, there on this plane,
shared with me his near deathexperience and I got to ask him
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questions about it and some ofthe things that stayed with me.
You know, he said, on the otherside, it's more real.
I said, you mean like moreintense?
He said, no, much more, muchmore relaxing.
Just, it's real.
And you start to see how unrealthis world is when you come
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back.
And he said to me another thingthat he said is that you know,
this is the commercial meaningthis life, this life you're in
right now, this is thecommercial.
The movie, the big story is onthe other side and these are,
you know, in my quest, myjourney of discovering what
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death really is.
These are our critical points.
Hillary and Les offer bothin-person and online hypnosis
services for clients all aroundthe world.
If that interests you, pleasevisit our website
wwwsomhypnosiscom and sign upfor a free consultation or send
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us an email at info atsomhypnosiscom.
Hilary, I couldn't count thenumber of near-death experience
videos you have watched andstill watch.
It's got to be in the thousands.
The number of near-death bookswe have in the house is just
uncountable.
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The amount of life between livebooks and information is right
over the top.
And in the end, as a result ofthis exploration.
And again, seek and ye shallfind right.
I think there's real value inthat.
(35:36):
If you pose questions of theuniverse, the universe will
bring you answers.
You might not like them, youmight not want to believe them.
They might take stuff that youreally really feel strongly
about and just look you in theeye and tell you no, you're
wrong.
You're wrong.
That's not going to be behelpful, and I suppose the last
stage is a stage that we canboth talk a little bit about.
(36:02):
Recently, I've put a lot moreeffort into becoming in tune
with spirit, listening, puttingmyself in a prayerful higher
state and opening my mind towisdom, and I'm going to say
(36:28):
receiving from guides on theother side information that has
been instrumental to my peace ofmind, but striking in terms of
some of the insights that it'sbrought me.
And so I'll just say that youknow people will call it
(37:09):
channeling, people will call itchanneling.
I've become a real fan of truth.
What is truth, what is true,what feels true, what makes
sense, what activates all thesedeep, deep memories and
awarenesses you have deep insideyou?
You start to realize just howtrustworthy it is, and maybe
(37:31):
I'll now pass that over to you.
How does that?
How does channeling today?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I mean you're.
You're publishing yourchanneling now, right yeah,
actually I just did one thismorning when I woke up, um to
publish on Patreon.
But uh, yeah, um, I listened toa book called you Are a Channel
(38:01):
and I always forget her name,forgive me, I'll come back.
You look it up.
You Are a channel and it reallygave me the insight and
(38:24):
gumption comes to mind to try itout.
Try it out.
I knew that I had beenchanneling.
I mean, after listening to thebook, I thought hypnosis is
channeling, right.
(38:46):
If you're in the right space,you're channeling with your
client.
Your client is even at a levelof channeling, channeling, right
.
So you're both in thischanneling state.
And so I I thought, uh, as I do, I'm just going to offer a
channeling class, because nowI'm a channel, all right.
(39:08):
So I held a channeling classand that was just wonderful and
we all got to try out channelingand different ways of
channeling and um, at first.
And, and still, I think my bestchanneling comes from either
typing or writing.
Um, I don't have the um, the ohman, there's a word that I'm
(39:36):
not able to grasp, but I'm tooscared to channel out loud right
now.
Basically, um, so I've beenchanneling through writing,
through typing and uh, andoffering that.
At first I offered it to asmall group of close friends
(39:57):
through just email and now Ioffer it through Patreon and
people know that they're gettingit right, they sign up for it.
And then I was asked recently,just out of the blue, to channel
a chapter in a book, which wasquite exciting.
(40:20):
So I'm working on that now.
But yeah, I really enjoychanneling and I find that each
time I channel it's almost likeI'm getting closer to that being
or that collective and they'restarting to speak a little
(40:40):
differently through me.
So even this morning's channel,I could go back to my first
channel message and go oh wow,there's a big change here in the
way that they're speaking.
There's a big change here inthe way that they're speaking,
and maybe it's just me havingthe ability now to hear it in
different kinds of words, youknow, but anyway, is that what
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you were doing?
It?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
well.
I think that my real point isthat when you start a true
investigation, a trueexploration, a decision that you
want to know and understandmore, that the information will
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come to you and you don't needto explain it any other way,
than you're looking for it andyou're going to notice it now,
where, before you might havelooked right past it, you can
take that further and say, well,that's your journey and in fact
life is going to bring you thatwhich is to your benefit, that
there are forces outside youthat are acting.
(41:49):
I think you can know andunderstand certain things.
I have complete confidence thatI did not start here and I will
not end here.
That doesn't mean that I'm notscared about what's going on
here.
It doesn't mean that I'm notintimidated sometimes by
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situations that are going onhere.
But I look at it differently.
Certainly, to bring it back tomy father's death, you know my
father chose to end his lifebecause he saw no quality in it.
He was just suffering.
He couldn't find a way to die.
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He literally was mentallytrying Because medicine was
doing such a good job of keepinghim alive and he came to the
conclusion that medicine wasgoing to have to help him die,
and that for some people, intheir view of death, taboo, it's
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wrong, it's bad.
For other people, you know, inmy exploration of this, I've
discovered that there arebuddhist monks that will
ceremonially plan to passbecause they've learned
everything they can in this lifeand they just want to get into
the next one because theirbody's not capable of giving
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them the lessons that they feellike they need next, and they
will end their lives for thesole purpose of reincarnating
into the next one.
And there are there are anumber of confusions I think we
have about death and our modernmedical systems fight against it
(43:42):
.
It comes from a whole set ofassumptions about death being
the enemy, death being the end,and I think that if we were to
embrace the idea that, althoughthe body ends, you don't, if we
were to embrace the idea thatthere's more to me than this
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body and that's been for me sucha journey on hypnosis, with
hypnosis within hypnosis, as ahypnotist, as a teacher, on
hypnosis with hypnosis withinhypnosis, as a hypnotist, as a
teacher of hypnosis it's beensuch a part of my journey to
know that I am not this body,that I am a mind that is part of
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mind and that, collectively, wecan know, and that,
collectively, we can know, andthat my journey of allowing my
deeper, higher, truer self tocome through has helped me in
understanding and coping withthis physical journey.
(44:53):
And based on this and so manyother things that would turn
this podcast into a day-longthing, I have become very
confident that death is not anend, it's a transition, it's as
natural as birth and it's asnecessary as birth and it can be
(45:14):
as painful as birth and thatthere's a lot that you can know
that could change your mindabout death.
And I truly believe and I'mgoing through this myself right
now, even at my age the more youaccept the truths of death, not
(45:43):
the falsehoods, the better ableto live you are.
What would you say you dodifferently now in living?
(46:05):
Um well, I got a tattoo on myarm that says there is nothing
to fear.
And although my body mind has ahard time with that, my higher
mind is very aware and there areso many sources of information,
so many words out there thathave been helpful to me.
You know, I like Mike Dooley'swords where he says everything's
(46:26):
important but nothing matters,mm-hmm, I like them and you know
, to see, this experience isvery much a mind created
simulation and simulation.
(46:46):
Not that it's like somethingelse, it is its own unique
experience to live in this body,in this world, during these
times of change and growth andhuman awareness expanding.
There is nothing to fear, yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Maybe that could be the exclusive podcast for
patreon is why did we choose tobe here during this time?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
that for many of us.
That's why we go to hypnosis,right, that's, we get clients
you get tons of clients thatcome in and that that's all they
want.
What is my purpose?
Why am I here?
Right, um, and and havingexplored that question for so
many people, including ourselves, um, the answer is just so damn
(47:43):
simple.
Right, it's to learn and it'sto create, and it's a world of
duality.
So there's going to be stuffyou call good and there's going
to be stuff you call bad.
There's going to be stuff youlike, there's going to be stuff
you don't like, because ofduality.
There's going to be hot andthere's going to be cold,
(48:05):
because that's the nature ofthis simulation it's not real,
because that's not who youreally are.
And that's where hypnosis, over20 odd years, has led me, and
(48:26):
I'm grateful for it and I'mgrateful to help others with it
as they go on that journey.
And I couldn't count the numberof people that that I've taken
into past lives and life betweenlives, who have gone from one
particular, very rigid, veryunhappy way of life to a much
(48:47):
more open, creative and curiouslifestyle.
That certainly makes them a lothappier lifestyle.
That certainly makes them a lothappier.
But you know, I would neverwant to tell somebody what to
believe, but I would always wantto encourage people to explore
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and to use critical thinking andto trust themselves.
We all have really goodbullshit meters and to use
critical thinking and to trustthemselves.
Yeah, you, we all have reallygood bullshit meters.
Yeah, and when they're notworking, it's because we've been
fed a little too much of crap.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Jello Kool-Aid yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Any final thoughts?
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Just that I've.
Yeah, now you've got methinking about what kind of
crazy out there topic we coulddo for our Patreon podcast.
But we'll leave that for them.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Enjoy your mind.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yep, all right, I hope that helped See you later,
thank you.
And then eventually, I became a hypnotist and I
worked with near-deathexperience, still work with them
to help them understand theirexperience, to help them
integrate their experience, tohelp them integrate back into
the body, because a lot ofpeople that have died feel like
they've got one foot out and onefoot in.
(00:30):
They don't really feel attachedto the body.
They have a lot of OBEsout-of-body experiences randomly
, so they have to reintegrateproperly.
And so this is sort of, in anutshell, my overview of my
journey, and I still watchnear-death experiencers talk
(00:57):
about their story, but I'm notgrasping anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I don't feel welcome to coffee with Hillary, and we
are a couple of hypnotists whohave created a podcast about
freeing our minds from old ideas, old thoughts and old habits,
those old things that interferewith our ability to make fresh
new choices.
It's time for us all to createthe life of our dreams.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
We're on the line.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's only about five minutes later.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, it's like we teleported here Days later.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, I'm really hoping that the last podcast was
received, you know,respectfully, like we.
Really, I really wanted to berespectful and I really want to
offer a whole bunch of ideasthat might be really helpful to
(01:59):
expand your own view, your ownview to be able to formulate and
come to a new, maybe morecomforting, more exciting, more
peaceful view of death.
And I think to do that, I wantto just start off getting
(02:20):
Hillary to talk about.
Well, I've known you now for afair bit of time and it really
wasn't that long ago maybe eight, nine years ago that you had
some real strong emotions aboutdeath and fear of death and fear
(02:45):
of death, and so maybe you cantalk about where that came from
and what happened, what you didthat caused a shift.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, how many hours do we have?
Okay, so where do I start Start?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
with your history.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, so I was born February 20th.
It starts with there being aninterest in Is the word esoteric
(03:32):
correct?
I don't know, I don't want touse that word improperly Like
oracle cards, tarot cards youknow, I was the teenager that
brought tarot cards to school,you know, and I didn't really
(03:53):
know what it was all about.
I felt a connection to them andyou know my family we would
hang out in this little new ageshop and there would be, you
(04:14):
know, psychic classes now andagain and there would be just
different thoughts of the worldand how we're connected thoughts
of the world and how we'reconnected, and so that was my
base line that I started with inmy teenage years.
So I think I mentioned this ina couple podcasts back.
(04:38):
But you know, I had a in myearly 20s.
Somebody close to me passedaway quite quickly and I had
this anxiety that welled upthese panic attacks.
For some reason they were notabout death as much as they were
(05:05):
about well, how do I get out ofthe body when we die?
Such a weird thing to think.
But I found a wonderfulspiritual therapist, so I'm
guessing she was apsychotherapist and a spiritual
(05:26):
therapist in one and she helpedme.
And then I had my firstout-of-body experience.
So then I closed down actuallyafter that because it was
terrifying to me, so terrifyingto me.
(05:51):
So I'm just going over the kindof the biggest milestones and
stuff like that.
There's lots of stuff in themiddle, but basically I had my
palm red when I was a teenager,young, young teenager, maybe not
even a teenager, but anyway Iinterpreted what was said as
(06:15):
very bad, basically saying thatI would maybe pass away in my
30s and so, if you can imagine,I held on to that all the way up
and it terrified me because Ididn't know.
(06:40):
Obviously I didn't have abelief.
Let's say that I didn't have abelief.
I didn't have anything that Icould hold on to.
And I I thought every year ohmy gosh, this is gonna be the
year, this is gonna be there.
And I was really scared now,leading up to that, at and 31, I
(07:07):
had what you would callnear-death-like experiences.
They mimic a near-deathexperience and I'll never know
if I actually died.
People say I did, but I don'tknow if I actually died.
(07:28):
People say I did, but I don'tknow.
So basically twice in my sleep,21, 31 you know I'm 41, this
year's I'm do so thoseexperiences at I had no idea
what the heck was going on.
At 31, I had the experience andmy world started to really
(07:54):
start expanding in the way ofwhat do I believe in?
And I don't know if it wasaround that time.
It all seemed so mushedtogether, all the things I was
doing.
But I remember reading.
(08:16):
I don't know how I came acrossthe book, but I remember reading
Anita Morajani's Dying to Be Me.
She had stage four cancer, wentinto the hospital for her final
day, basically died, and thenlearned about death after she
died and then was told to goback to the body.
(08:42):
And then, you know, as we do,we, we say no, you know, they
say yes.
And so she went.
She came back to the body withthe knowledge of what's on the
other side in her view, and sherecovered from stage four.
(09:02):
I think in like six weeks.
Everything had left her bodybecause she was in this
vibration, let's call it.
So this was fascinating to me.
And then I dove into the worldof near-death experiences.
And near-death experiences arelike a drug at first right, you
(09:23):
plow through them.
Anyone who's watched them knowsit.
You go through them almost,like the next one will bring me
more relief, relief, relief,right.
And then you get to a point inwatching them where you go okay,
I'm not looking for that nextbiggest near-death experience
(09:44):
that's going to bring me peace,but you just become peaceful
about it all, hopefully.
So then I thought you know why.
I'm at the point in my life now,my early 30s, where I'm
wondering, like, why am I soobsessed with these?
(10:05):
Is there a reason?
Right, I was finishing updesign school or going through
it and um, and then eventually Ibecame a hypnotist and I worked
with near-death experience,still work with them, um, to
help them understand theirexperience, uh, to help them
(10:28):
integrate their experience, tohelp them integrate back into
the body, because a lot ofpeople that have died feel like
they've got one foot out and onefoot in.
They don't really feel attachedto the body.
They have a lot of obe's out ofbody experiences randomly, so
they have to reintegrateproperly.
And so this is sort of, in anutshell, my overview of my
(10:55):
journey.
And I still watch near-deathexperiencers talk about their
story, but I'm not graspinganymore.
I don't feel I find themfascinating because it's almost
like stages that you go throughand watching them.
You, you see them and at first,there you notice it, things
(11:19):
about them.
And then you go through anotherstage where you're you're
thinking, well, does you knowwhat everybody have this or what
if I don't have this?
And there's just all thesestages that you go through after
watching them and learningabout them and studying them,
that that I think everyone, ormost everyone, would go through
(11:42):
those stages at some point andthen come out on the other side
with hopefully more peace.
And then, sort of mashed in themiddle there there's spiritual
experiences that are over andabove are you know over and
above which sort of just set instone, for the most part, the
(12:15):
emotional part of me that feelsconnected to something greater
than myself and if I missedanything, just let me know than
myself.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And if I missed anything, just let me know For
me.
Yeah, that's the great theme.
I think that if I was to offerthe first reframe, the first
reframe I would offer you isthat if you want to know, you
can find out.
It was once said to me you know, how can you know?
(12:46):
Nobody can know, and I disagreewith that.
I think that there's a lot ofinformation, a lot of
methodologies.
I think that I believe in thatsaying that comes, you know, out
of the Bible.
Really, seek and ye shall findyou know.
Ask and it will really.
Seek and ye shall find you know, ask and it will be given.
(13:06):
Seek and ye shall find.
I have never had, let me say ita different way.
I have always had theexperience that when I have a
strong question in my mind, Ifind the answer.
It just comes upon me, it justcomes to me and you know.
(13:31):
For me, the short version ofthe long story is I grew up
truly loving my mother, lookingup to her in every way.
She was very Catholic, and sowas I, I suppose, and I was
(13:54):
maybe 12 or 13 when I firstheard the idea of reincarnation
and I was like what Right?
Because I had been raised soclearly that you're born, you
live, you die, you get judged,and that was such a strong
message in the Catholic Church.
So to discover thatChristianity is really the only
(14:19):
religion that does notacknowledge reincarnation and
that, in fact, it was theConference of Nicaea.
It was 500 years into theCatholic Church before they said
no, we're not going to supportideas of reincarnation anymore.
And for me that was a really,really big one.
(14:39):
And, of course, my desire toknow truth.
My desire to know truth, mydesire to know god, I suppose,
led me to go to university andstudy religion.
And it was.
I was researching a paper onstudying early christian rites
of death.
I was all about the rituals,trying to understand where do
(15:00):
these rituals come from?
What's the history anyway?
Where do these rituals comefrom?
What's the history, anyway?
It was there that I happened tobump into a book on near-death
experiences written by a Dutchprofessor.
He essentially cataloged allthese people who had died.
Now there's another book by aguy named Moody.
(15:22):
Is it John Moody?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
No, raymond.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Moody, raymond Moody.
Another book by a guy namedmoody.
Is it john moody?
No, raymond, raymond moody.
Um, you know, and who's the onewho?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
wrote proof of afterlife proof of afterlife is
um.
It starts with an l.
I can't remember another nde abig, big nde guy.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Um, anyway, all of this was approaching a very
scientific methodology, whichwas why is it that people who
are clinically dead and comeback all report the same
sequence of experiences and thesame kind of deeply committed
(16:02):
new ideas?
What's the name of the guy?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Jeffrey Long.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Jeffrey Long.
Jeffrey Long, and in JeffreyLong's book he actually goes in
quite a lot of detail catalogingall the different aspects of
people's near-death experiencesand what percentage of
near-death experiences recordedhave the same or similar reports
(16:25):
, and it's in from 55 to 75percent of these reports are
contain all the same components.
And there's been, you know, alot of people who want to
dismiss this or poo-poo this,and I can understand if.
If you can't independently orquote-unquote, objectively prove
(16:47):
this, why you would be inclinedto dismiss it.
At the same time, you know, Iconsider and I've said this
before the most unscientificthing you can ever do.
If you really want to violatescience, you ignore evidence.
That's like a scientific crime,right.
(17:10):
If a scientist is out there andthey take a body of evidence
that contradicts their thesisand they hide it or they dismiss
it out of hand or they usenon-scientific ways, scientific
ways of denying its veracity,that's a scientific crime, right
.
And for me, the worst thing youcan do if you claim to be
(17:31):
scientific in your approach isto ignore evidence and that if
the scientific method has value,it's because we look at things
and we try to find patterns, wetry to find consistency.
Anyway, that's what thesepeople have done in terms of
examining near-death experiences, and there are hundreds of
(17:55):
thousands globally of reportsthat are available for people to
explore.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Can I make just a note on that?
Explore, can I make just a noteon that?
There's two big bodies ofreports NDERF N-D-E-R-F, and
(18:22):
IANDS I-A-N-D-S.
And I just wanted to interjecthere because a lot of people
will say to me well, they'reprobably just making it up.
Those two bodies make it solong to put in your experience
that um, and they vet they, theyvet them, um, they make it so
um in detail that, uh, you know,um, it know it's very little
(18:50):
the amount of people that wouldgo through the process to just
make something up.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, they collect and categorize case studies,
they put them together andpublish them.
They're very stringent in theirmethods.
They insist that there's actualmedical evidence of death
before you can, even before youcan even be considered to tell
your story.
Um, yeah, there's a realtendency to dismiss this stuff.
(19:18):
The common is that when you,when you die, something happens
to your brain and that createsall of this.
And I guess I take again, Itake offense to that because to
me that's a scientific crime,because there's absolutely no
evidence People have tried todetermine is there a chemical
that gets released in the brainof these people?
(19:39):
They found absolutely noevidence of it whatsoever and
yet people still go out and theythey offer this as the
explanation to dismiss peoplewho come forward with near-death
experiences.
So we have this, thisexperience that has incredible
consistency among people acrosscultures around the world, with
(20:03):
proof of death collected in veryscientific and stringent ways.
And then people want to dismissit out of hand with a completely
non-scientific, non-proven, noevidence whatsoever.
Dismissal of all.
That's just a chemical in thebrain.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
What I found interesting too sorry to
interrupt is more and more whatI'm hearing is that the death is
not so.
There's the brain death, whichtakes a little bit right, but
people are up and out of thebody at the heart death.
So when the heart stops beating, you're out, not when the brain
(20:47):
stops working.
The body has its own processes,right, like we explained in the
last.
So when the heart stops andeven before I won't go into all
of it but the heart stops, um,you're right, right, uh, anyway,
continue so anyway, there's,this is not, this stuff is not
(21:14):
nice, non-scientific, and it's.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's okay if people say you know, um, you know, I'm
not going to put any effort intoresearching that, that's okay.
I really do believe that we areas beings.
Our mind is a collection ofprograms that were given to us
and they're given to us withlove and we embrace them with
(21:39):
love, which is part of my.
You know, I love my mother.
I admired my mother.
I followed her.
She seemed to have a realcommitment to God and her church
.
I wanted to follow in that.
I did follow, in that I becamevery, very curious about my
church, about my experience, myreligion.
(21:59):
That caused me to do research.
In doing that research, Itumbled across all kinds of
things that were contradictory,you know, finding out that you
know probably nearly half of theglobe, global religions are
accepting, if not promoting ofthe concept of reincarnation and
(22:22):
reincarnation itself, you know,has a broad spectrum of
interpretations and beliefs.
But to see these ideas, to seethese ideas widely held, to see
them supported with the ideathat people have died and come
back, these were things thatreally caused me to question my
(22:44):
own thoughts and beliefs.
And it started something for methat I've never turned away
from since, which is I startedto trust myself.
I started to believe in my ownbullshit detector.
I started to believe in my ownability to hear truth and be
(23:12):
open-minded to it.
Not that I was fast to changemy opinion, but I think a lot of
the time I find myself to bemore willing to change my
opinion than the average person.
I see opinions as temporarythings.
I see opinions as a step alongthe path of discovery.
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I see what's much moreimportant than my temporary
opinion is my own curiosity tocontinue to look, to continue to
discover, to continue to lookfor meaningful evidence that
allows me a better opportunityto be right.
I think one of the things thatwe do badly in our world, in our
(23:56):
culture, is we really weidolize the idea of being right.
We embrace the idea of beingright as more important than
being on a journey, moreimportant than being in the
process of exploration.
More important than ourcuriosity is to be able to say
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I'm right, you're wrong.
We take a great deal of powerinto ourselves when we believe
that we are right, and whathappens when you think you're
right is you really do close thedoor to ever being right?
Because once you formulate anopinion and you won't let go of
(24:40):
it, then all the evidence in theworld is going to come to you
to help you learn and know andunderstand more.
And you're so busy defendingyour opinion and this is where I
see the world of bias you're sobusy defending your opinion
that you're missing out on theopportunity to really know the
truth.
You're missing out on theopportunity to really know
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what's right, and so for me,it's a much better methodology
to say oh, that's interesting,when does that information come
from?
How is that collected?
Is that credible, Is thatmeaningful?
There's nothing wrong withbeing skeptical, there's nothing
wrong with using your criticalthinking, but it is a complete
(25:21):
loss of your critical thinkingabilities when you just rigidly
stick to an established opinion.
So, yes, I really believe seekand you will find and that's
been a theme of my life and lookwithin and.
Then you, you're accessing stuffthat I've really Decided to
(25:42):
explore deeply with hypnosis,which is, you know, your higher
mind, the part of you thatsometimes can overcome that
which Causes you to be afraid,the part of you that sometimes
can overcome that which causesyou to be afraid, the part of
you that drives you forward incircumstances because of ideas
and principles and and strongbeliefs, that part of your mind
(26:09):
that says keep going, that partof your mind that says there's
more here and that's reallycaused me to become really
curious.
So in many respects I wasunhappy with my life.
I was unhappy with me and Idecided to explore this thing
about hypnosis.
And I saw this peggy kelly, whoturned out to be my hypnotist
(26:31):
and then my teacher, and thenreally you know somebody that I
really admire and skilled as ahypnotist and and prominent in
our profession.
Her signs were all over townand I just decided I'm gonna.
I'm gonna explore hypnosis.
There's a lot that I can'texplain about my mind and I've
(26:53):
done a lot of reading.
I've been a child care worker,I learned about counseling, I've
done a lot of exploring aboutthe mind and this was sort of
the next step and it was reallya spiritual kind of step for me.
But to cut to the chase, Isigned up with Peggy for six
(27:13):
sessions.
On our first couple of sessionswe regressed and I experienced
moments early in my life that Ididn't remember but as I
recalled them, as they came backto me, I could see how
instrumental they were in theway I felt about myself and the
way I felt about the world, andthat regression really helped me
(27:37):
to reframe aspects of myotherwise rigid personality.
But in the next three sessionsand the process is really simple
and if you ever come tohypnosis, you're going to hear
me say this quite simply whichis I'm going to count backwards
from five, and when I get to one, we're going to hear me say
this quite simply which is I'mgoing to count backwards from
five and when I get to one we'regoing to be where this problem
began.
(27:57):
And that's just a nice littlegentle way of regressing
somebody.
You get them to focus on theiremotion, on that feeling that is
interfering with their life,and you need to understand what
it is and where it comes from.
And that's the nature ofregression and it's a simple,
simple way of doing it.
(28:18):
I'm going to count backwardsfrom five and when I get to one,
we're going to be right whereit all began, and it's just five
, four, three, two, one, bethere, be there now.
Are you inside or outside?
Is it daytime or nighttime?
Are you alone or with someone?
What's happening?
And in those sequence ofquestions, it's amazing what
(28:43):
happens if you're in a deepenough hypnotic state.
So Peggy did that to me, andthree times I ended up in prior
lives.
Peggy did that to me, and threetimes I ended up in prior lives
.
Now I say it this way I knowthe difference between memory
and imagination.
I know when I sit and think inmy mind and I try to imagine
(29:03):
something new.
I know where I go in my mind, Iknow how that feels, I know how
that looks in my mind and Ialso know when I'm having memory
.
You know memory I search memoryis much more like a tape
recorder, it's much more like adatabase.
It's it's you're going tosomething right.
(29:27):
So I know the difference in mymind, my experience of
remembering and my experience ofcreating, and these were
clearly memories I didn't know Ihad.
And through deep, deep focusand deep, deep hypnosis, I was
able to go back and experiencepast lives.
(29:47):
And it's, you know, I thinkBrian Weiss and Michael Newton
said really interesting things.
They said we don't know if pastlives are real or not.
What we know is they can be verytherapeutic, and this was very
therapeutic for me.
But it was also very convincingfor me to go back and
(30:09):
experience a past life.
To go back and experience apast life, um, and the vivid
nature of it, the visceralnature of it, um, the smells
that came to me in some, of thetastes that came to me in some,
some of those experiences, um,the, the discovery of these
(30:33):
personalities that were, yeah,on reflection, strikingly
different from mine in any event, it was those experiences that
really convinced me that I hadhad a number of prior lives.
(30:56):
And then in our final sessionshe took me to the life between
lives the blue mist she calledit then.
There's a lot of words thatpeople use to describe it, but
it is the world that we comefrom when we decide to have
these experiences in thesephysical bodies.
(31:18):
And there's a hypnotist,michael Newton.
His books are Journey of Souls,destiny of Souls.
They're wonderful books andhe's also written a book on how
to do life between life, lifehypnosis and Hillary and I are
both trained in this now andit's really part of almost every
(31:38):
client I have.
We end up doing some aspect ofgoing back and looking at the
plan that led them into thislife.
But anyway, I've had thatexperience, I've had that
training.
I've read Michael Newton'sbooks countless times.
There are a number of otherauthors Robert Swartz who have
(32:00):
used this kind of hypnosis todiscover this world that exists
like a point of departure forour lives.
And the last thing I'd probablysay very, very striking
(32:21):
experience was I was going outto my son was living in Kelowna.
He was in a play in a localtheater.
I promised him I'd come and seehim.
So I got on the plane and inCalgary we had to shift planes
to the small plane to take us toKelowna.
I had been reading a bunch ofvery spiritual, hypnosis-based
material.
(32:41):
I was deep into my journey ofunderstanding things.
I'd even said to myself geez, Ithink I'd like a near-death
experience, which is kind ofdisturbing, but it is
nonetheless where I was in mymind at the time.
And I got on the plane and everyseat was taken except one, and
(33:02):
so I had no choice.
I got on that one.
It was just a small plane.
There were maybe 20, 30 peoplein it.
It was just a short flight.
Anyway, I got into the emptychair and there, sitting beside
me, was a guy, his name wasJeremy, and Jeremy was reading a
Buddhist book that I had read afew months before.
And so, just because I was inthat kind of open space in my
(33:26):
mind, I turned to him and saidwhat do you think of that book?
And he started talking about it.
He says but you know, myperspective is kind of strange.
I said, oh really, how so?
He said, well, because I diedand he, there on this plane,
shared with me his near deathexperience and I got to ask him
(33:47):
questions about it and some ofthe things that stayed with me.
You know, he said, on the otherside, it's more real.
I said, you mean like moreintense?
He said, no, much more, muchmore relaxing.
Just, it's real.
And you start to see how unrealthis world is when you come
(34:07):
back.
And he said to me another thingthat he said is that you know,
this is the commercial meaningthis life, this life you're in
right now, this is thecommercial.
The movie, the big story is onthe other side and these are,
you know, in my quest, myjourney of discovering what
(34:31):
death really is.
These are our critical points.
Hillary and Les offer bothin-person and online hypnosis
services for clients all aroundthe world.
If that interests you, pleasevisit our website
wwwsomhypnosiscom and sign upfor a free consultation or send
(34:55):
us an email at info atsomhypnosiscom.
Hilary, I couldn't count thenumber of near-death experience
videos you have watched andstill watch.
It's got to be in the thousands.
The number of near-death bookswe have in the house is just
uncountable.
(35:15):
The amount of life between livebooks and information is right
over the top.
And in the end, as a result ofthis exploration.
And again, seek and ye shallfind right.
I think there's real value inthat.
(35:36):
If you pose questions of theuniverse, the universe will
bring you answers.
You might not like them, youmight not want to believe them.
They might take stuff that youreally really feel strongly
about and just look you in theeye and tell you no, you're
wrong.
You're wrong.
That's not going to be behelpful, and I suppose the last
stage is a stage that we canboth talk a little bit about.
(36:02):
Recently, I've put a lot moreeffort into becoming in tune
with spirit, listening, puttingmyself in a prayerful higher
state and opening my mind towisdom, and I'm going to say
(36:28):
receiving from guides on theother side information that has
been instrumental to my peace ofmind, but striking in terms of
some of the insights that it'sbrought me.
And so I'll just say that youknow people will call it
(37:09):
channeling, people will call itchanneling.
I've become a real fan of truth.
What is truth, what is true,what feels true, what makes
sense, what activates all thesedeep, deep memories and
awarenesses you have deep insideyou?
You start to realize just howtrustworthy it is, and maybe
(37:31):
I'll now pass that over to you.
How does that?
How does channeling today?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I mean you're.
You're publishing yourchanneling now, right yeah,
actually I just did one thismorning when I woke up, um to
publish on Patreon.
But uh, yeah, um, I listened toa book called you Are a Channel
(38:01):
and I always forget her name,forgive me, I'll come back.
You look it up.
You Are a channel and it reallygave me the insight and
(38:24):
gumption comes to mind to try itout.
Try it out.
I knew that I had beenchanneling.
I mean, after listening to thebook, I thought hypnosis is
channeling, right.
(38:46):
If you're in the right space,you're channeling with your
client.
Your client is even at a levelof channeling, channeling, right
.
So you're both in thischanneling state.
And so I I thought, uh, as I do, I'm just going to offer a
channeling class, because nowI'm a channel, all right.
(39:08):
So I held a channeling classand that was just wonderful and
we all got to try out channelingand different ways of
channeling and um, at first.
And, and still, I think my bestchanneling comes from either
typing or writing.
Um, I don't have the um, the ohman, there's a word that I'm
(39:36):
not able to grasp, but I'm tooscared to channel out loud right
now.
Basically, um, so I've beenchanneling through writing,
through typing and uh, andoffering that.
At first I offered it to asmall group of close friends
(39:57):
through just email and now Ioffer it through Patreon and
people know that they're gettingit right, they sign up for it.
And then I was asked recently,just out of the blue, to channel
a chapter in a book, which wasquite exciting.
(40:20):
So I'm working on that now.
But yeah, I really enjoychanneling and I find that each
time I channel it's almost likeI'm getting closer to that being
or that collective and they'restarting to speak a little
(40:40):
differently through me.
So even this morning's channel,I could go back to my first
channel message and go oh wow,there's a big change here in the
way that they're speaking.
There's a big change here inthe way that they're speaking,
and maybe it's just me havingthe ability now to hear it in
different kinds of words, youknow, but anyway, is that what
(41:04):
you were doing?
It?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
well.
I think that my real point isthat when you start a true
investigation, a trueexploration, a decision that you
want to know and understandmore, that the information will
(41:26):
come to you and you don't needto explain it any other way,
than you're looking for it andyou're going to notice it now,
where, before you might havelooked right past it, you can
take that further and say, well,that's your journey and in fact
life is going to bring you thatwhich is to your benefit, that
there are forces outside youthat are acting.
(41:49):
I think you can know andunderstand certain things.
I have complete confidence thatI did not start here and I will
not end here.
That doesn't mean that I'm notscared about what's going on
here.
It doesn't mean that I'm notintimidated sometimes by
(42:14):
situations that are going onhere.
But I look at it differently.
Certainly, to bring it back tomy father's death, you know my
father chose to end his lifebecause he saw no quality in it.
He was just suffering.
He couldn't find a way to die.
(42:34):
He literally was mentallytrying Because medicine was
doing such a good job of keepinghim alive and he came to the
conclusion that medicine wasgoing to have to help him die,
and that for some people, intheir view of death, taboo, it's
(42:56):
wrong, it's bad.
For other people, you know, inmy exploration of this, I've
discovered that there arebuddhist monks that will
ceremonially plan to passbecause they've learned
everything they can in this lifeand they just want to get into
the next one because theirbody's not capable of giving
(43:18):
them the lessons that they feellike they need next, and they
will end their lives for thesole purpose of reincarnating
into the next one.
And there are there are anumber of confusions I think we
have about death and our modernmedical systems fight against it
(43:42):
.
It comes from a whole set ofassumptions about death being
the enemy, death being the end,and I think that if we were to
embrace the idea that, althoughthe body ends, you don't, if we
were to embrace the idea thatthere's more to me than this
(44:05):
body and that's been for me sucha journey on hypnosis, with
hypnosis within hypnosis, as ahypnotist, as a teacher, on
hypnosis with hypnosis withinhypnosis, as a hypnotist, as a
teacher of hypnosis it's beensuch a part of my journey to
know that I am not this body,that I am a mind that is part of
(44:29):
mind and that, collectively, wecan know, and that,
collectively, we can know, andthat my journey of allowing my
deeper, higher, truer self tocome through has helped me in
understanding and coping withthis physical journey.
(44:53):
And based on this and so manyother things that would turn
this podcast into a day-longthing, I have become very
confident that death is not anend, it's a transition, it's as
natural as birth and it's asnecessary as birth and it can be
(45:14):
as painful as birth and thatthere's a lot that you can know
that could change your mindabout death.
And I truly believe and I'mgoing through this myself right
now, even at my age the more youaccept the truths of death, not
(45:43):
the falsehoods, the better ableto live you are.
What would you say you dodifferently now in living?
(46:05):
Um well, I got a tattoo on myarm that says there is nothing
to fear.
And although my body mind has ahard time with that, my higher
mind is very aware and there areso many sources of information,
so many words out there thathave been helpful to me.
You know, I like Mike Dooley'swords where he says everything's
(46:26):
important but nothing matters,mm-hmm, I like them and you know
, to see, this experience isvery much a mind created
simulation and simulation.
(46:46):
Not that it's like somethingelse, it is its own unique
experience to live in this body,in this world, during these
times of change and growth andhuman awareness expanding.
There is nothing to fear, yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Maybe that could be the exclusive podcast for
patreon is why did we choose tobe here during this time?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
that for many of us.
That's why we go to hypnosis,right, that's, we get clients
you get tons of clients thatcome in and that that's all they
want.
What is my purpose?
Why am I here?
Right, um, and and havingexplored that question for so
many people, including ourselves, um, the answer is just so damn
(47:43):
simple.
Right, it's to learn and it'sto create, and it's a world of
duality.
So there's going to be stuffyou call good and there's going
to be stuff you call bad.
There's going to be stuff youlike, there's going to be stuff
you don't like, because ofduality.
There's going to be hot andthere's going to be cold,
(48:05):
because that's the nature ofthis simulation it's not real,
because that's not who youreally are.
And that's where hypnosis, over20 odd years, has led me, and
(48:26):
I'm grateful for it and I'mgrateful to help others with it
as they go on that journey.
And I couldn't count the numberof people that that I've taken
into past lives and life betweenlives, who have gone from one
particular, very rigid, veryunhappy way of life to a much
(48:47):
more open, creative and curiouslifestyle.
That certainly makes them a lothappier lifestyle.
That certainly makes them a lothappier.
But you know, I would neverwant to tell somebody what to
believe, but I would always wantto encourage people to explore
(49:10):
and to use critical thinking andto trust themselves.
We all have really goodbullshit meters and to use
critical thinking and to trustthemselves.
Yeah, you, we all have reallygood bullshit meters.
Yeah, and when they're notworking, it's because we've been
fed a little too much of crap.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Jello Kool-Aid yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Any final thoughts?
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Just that I've.
Yeah, now you've got methinking about what kind of
crazy out there topic we coulddo for our Patreon podcast.
But we'll leave that for them.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Enjoy your mind.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yep, all right, I hope that helped See you later,
thank you.
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