December 9, 2025 • 37 mins
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We explore how fear gets programmed, why change triggers it, and how to move forward with clear, practical tools. Selling our house becomes a lens for reframing worry, using imagination with intention, and acting even when fear shows up.
• deciding to sell the house and face uncertainty
• reframing fear as a warning rather than a wall
• spotting inherited beliefs from family and school
• biology of fear versus learned conditioning
• social anxiety, belonging, and authenticity
• worst-case thinking as imagination in overdrive
• writing emotions down to untangle layers
• asking what else to reveal hidden feelings
• designing strategies for specific scenarios
• using gentle exposures to retrain reactions
• shifting imagination from worry to possibility
• embracing worthiness and the nature of constant change
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We are on the line.
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Sky's turning pink.
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It is, it's got a peach color over there.
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That would you call that?
I'm just the guy.
Things are brown or pink or redor green, not fuchsia or ivy or
peach.
I suppose there's value in thatkind of uh color of language.
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Yeah.
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Language of color.
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So thanks for joining us here this morning.
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Hope you guys got caught.
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Yes, coffee or tea.
Whatever floats your boat.
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Stiff shot of whiskey first thing in the
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So just to keep everybodyanonymous.
So welcome everybody.
SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
It's great to have people listening and
participating.
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
So yeah, what are we chatting about today?
SPEAKER_01 (01:28):
Well, we're moving on to part two of change.
SPEAKER_00 (01:31):
That's right.
So yesterday's podcast,yesterday's podcast, we talked
about how change can be scary.
We have decided to sell thehouse and move.
Not tomorrow, but soon.
And that is a little terrifying,honestly.
It's pretty scary.
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So I started talking about howmoving can be scary, how change
in general can be scary.
And yeah, how life can can bringus changes and how to move
through that fear.
I think today we're gonna talk abit about that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:12):
Well, we talked yesterday about the idea of
change coming from within.
There are some changes that comefrom within.
We get motivated to make change,we seek something more, and we
realize that whatever it is inour behavior or larger
lifestyle, uh, it needs toshift, it needs to change.
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And it's really hard to do thatbecause first of all, you know,
you have your own fears.
What if this doesn't work?
Which is a, I think, one ofthose really unfortunate
programs that we inherit fromvery young.
What if this doesn't work?
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What if this can't happen?
What if we it doesn't go the waywe hoped?
This is this is a reallypersistent subconscious program
that I think is uh built into usvery, very young, and an attempt
to protect us, in an attempt toto prepare us.
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We think that it's good to thinkand anticipate the worst.
And in fact, the more we workwith people and the more we
study and learn about the mindand the world and quantum
physics and you know theanticipation, the methodologies
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for aligning your internalprocesses with an external
outcome.
That's just really not helpful.
It's really not a usefulprogram.
It's just a limiting belief, andit's really uh something to be
recognized.
I was doing some recordingsyesterday for the school, and we
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underestimate the the shift thattakes place in us when we just
recognize a mental bad habit.
Just recognizing it, justspotting it, just saying, oh,
wait a second, how is thatserving me?
Just recognizing it.
We already create a shift.
We already start the process ofopening our mind to another way
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of considering this, you know,and knowing always, you know, I
say it a million times a day,knowing that the mind is a
habit-making machine and thatour thoughts are habits, seeing
a habit is the first steptowards eliminating it, changing
it, replacing it with somethingbetter.
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So I really think that whetherit's internal or external, the
first idea that we go towardschange with fear is is not
serving us and is probably theopposite of what we should be
doing.
SPEAKER_00 (05:04):
Yeah, well, I was speaking yesterday, or I think
maybe I just thought it.
Sometimes I think things andthink I spoke it.
But I I think that fear makes itfeel like it's true.
Like if I'm having fear aboutsomething, I should be running
away from it.
Right?
It's that, it's that old, old,what do they call it?
(05:27):
Reptilian or mammalian brain,both maybe reptilian brain for
sure.
I know I've heard that.
But just this old, oldbiological part of us that says,
There's something scary, runaway from it, don't do it, you
know.
And fear, yeah, brings up thosethose deep feelings like, well,
(05:49):
maybe because I'm feeling thisfear, I shouldn't be doing this,
right?
It's almost like it's screaming,this is the truth, but it's not
the truth, right?
Yeah, however many years ago, ifyou saw a lion, you'd run away
and that would be good and youwould survive.
But nowadays it's, you know,feeling fear of well, what are
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what are all those things thatwe avoid even looking at because
we feel fear of?
Money's a big thing, you know.
We avoid sometimes looking atour accounts because it makes us
fearful.
Just so many things in life thatwe avoid because of fear.
SPEAKER_01 (06:27):
Well, I think we underestimate the amount of
programming that comes to usfrom our parents, comes to us
from our schooling.
You know, those early, earlyyears, we are really taught to
fear.
We are taught to be cautious,you know, don't cross the
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street, don't talk to strangers.
These kinds of deep-seatedprograms make everything,
everything in our world appearsto be scary.
I'm not sure how much of that issort of base body biology,
because yeah, we have the ourbrain centers, the reptilian
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brain, uh, that sort of keeps usalive, and we've got the you
know, the central processingunits in the brain, the
amygdala, which is really filledwith emotion and controls that
sympathetic nervous system.
But I also believe that there'san element, a big element of
programming.
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And I use that phrase becausefor two reasons.
First reason is becauseprogramming can change.
We can change that.
It means it wasn't thereoriginally.
It wasn't, you know, part of whowe are, it's part of who we've
become.
And I also use that because Ithink it's important to
acknowledge that it didn't comefrom us.
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It was somebody else's view ofthe world that came to us, that
they gave us out of love, out ofa desire to take care of us, out
of a belief that their fearswere really grounded in
important ideas.
So I think of an example.
The example I come up with is myson and a friend of mine's
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granddaughter.
Now, for me, there's not a wholelot that's going to make me jump
and it's gonna make me recoil,but snakes do that to me.
Snakes, just the movement in thegrass is enough to make me shout
and jump and move away quickly.
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Now, my son loves snakes.
He sees a snake, he comesrunning at it, and he has to
hold it, he has to play with it,and he has to talk to it, and he
wants to keep it.
And from the time he was little,little, little, he just had this
love of snakes.
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And the same thing with mybuddy's granddaughter.
She loves snakes.
She's little, she's like two,three years old, and she just
can't, she can't stay away ifit's a snake.
She wants to see it.
And he's the same way as me.
You know, just a hint that theremight be a snake nearby puts us
on full caution.
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So I'm not sure how much isactually human programming, base
human uh nature.
I think anything, no matterwhat, there's there's two steps.
There's always a perception andan interpretation.
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In fact, that happens so fastthat it's hard not to see them
as one process.
It's hard not to be, it's hardto be able to break them down
into steps and try to engage achange of that.
Now, we've done it in hypnosis.
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We've made people go from beingabsolutely terrified of
something to completelyindifferent to it, right?
And then we we realize a lot ofthese fears that we have are
very much programmed into us.
Now, to go after the heart ofthe matter to me starts with
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understanding first theprogrammed fears we have, and
second, our resistance to changethem, our resistance to think
that they might not be true.
So when change comes along,change really triggers our
fears, our worries.
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I think worrying is a habit thatgets developed very young.
I know of people, clients, thatworry has become almost an
operating mode, and thatoperating mode really
interferes, of course, withtheir ability to enjoy the
moment that they're in.
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And we do a lot of reframingabout the past, present, and
future, and we do a lot ofreframing about possibilities,
and we try to move away from theidea of avoidance to the idea of
moving through fear.
So the primary refrain reallybecomes fear is a warning, not a
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wall.
It's good to be, it's good to becareful, I think.
I think it's good to manage thevarious factors that could
result in less than optimaloutcomes.
But fear creates fear.
The vibration of fear creates asystem of fear.
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And I think that it's importantto see the systems of fear that
we create around ourselves.
You know, I think that it's asystem of fear that that we live
through when it comes to thingslike school and work.
But the primary yearning isacceptance, but the principal
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fear is rejection, and that thiswon't be a place where I feel
appreciated, sometimes evensafe.
I think you know that's a bigstep for people.
I experienced it a lot withstudents coming to college, and
their what they called theirsocial anxiety was really an
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incredible cautiousness that wasbuilt into them very young to be
almost unable to truststrangers.
SPEAKER_00 (12:51):
And that translates to other students.
SPEAKER_01 (12:55):
Well, translates to other students, it translates to
teachers, it translates to newplaces to live, it it translates
to the social environment.
I mean, the college itself issuch a social experience.
SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
Yeah, and you want to fit in.
Yeah, and if you have the if youhave the thoughts of, well, uh I
know, I know I used to gothrough this thought pattern
years ago.
I know I've had clients that gothrough it just feeling like,
oh, well, once they know who Iam, they're not gonna like me
anymore, right?
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Once they see me for me, I'mgonna lose them as a friend or
something.
And I think that can that caneven stop people from
experiencing friendships ordelving into new friendships or
even showing themselves for whothey are.
Being, I know we throw this wordauthentic around, but yeah, you
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want to be who you are.
But sometimes you feel scared tobe who you are.
You know, even me is sometimesscared to talk about aliens and
aliens, aliens and past livesand life between and all the
woo-woo stuff.
But that's what I love, that'swhat I gravitate towards.
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I shouldn't be scared to talkabout it.
SPEAKER_01 (14:21):
We like to think that reframes are useful because
they are logical and they'reaccurate.
I think sometimes, though,dealing with somebody's fear by
simply telling them that there'snothing to be afraid of is a
really useless thing.
And something I've done in thepast that has worked out well,
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and I don't know if it's uniqueto that client or whether it's a
really great reframe, is tosimply say, well, what's the
worst that can happen?
And then follow that thinking.
Well, what would that mean?
Yeah, why would that be bad?
You know, recently had a friendwho wanted to be part of a a
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trip, I'll use it as that, andfelt like the the introduction
and application process wasn'tfair and biased against people
who don't, you know, look andact a certain way.
And of course, you know, therejection was really hard.
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But one of the thoughts that Ioffered her in our in our
conversation, because I justreally think, I really think she
dodged a bullet.
From my point of view, beingrejected by these absolute
jerks, right?
Was the best thing that couldhave happened to her.
The worst thing that could havehappened to her was that they
they take her on the on thetrip, they they take her money,
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and then they treat her badlywhile she's there.
Yeah, that would be horrible,right?
That would take this thing thatyou dream about and turn it into
a nightmare.
Sometimes being open to the ideathat not getting what I want can
be good for me, right?
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Can be a useful idea when facingthese automatic reactions to
difficult circumstances.
Reframing around fear, I think,really requires just engaging
the fear a little bit.
You know, the the Tao Ta Qing,one of my favorite books of all
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time, the Tao Ta Qing says ifyou want to get rid of
something, first you must let itbe.
And I really like that idea.
I like the idea, you know, whatdoes it mean to sit with this
emotion?
What does it mean to spend time?
And I think when it comes tofear, it's about spending time
understanding what it is youfear and whether or not that
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fear is real.
SPEAKER_00 (17:06):
I really liked how, you know, over the course of a
week since making this decision,I've gone up and down with
emotions.
And I really liked how you hadme like write out.
We sat in the living room andyou had me write out my
emotions, and then we just wentthrough them like one by one and
look unpacked, you know, whatwhat are you fearful of this or
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what are you feeling?
And uh, you know, just goingthrough each one one by one and
saying it out loud, too.
I have clients that will come tome and say, Now that I'm saying
this out loud, it it's actuallydissipating the fear because I
think when we keep it lockedinside, it it becomes so real,
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it becomes our our world, right?
So talking about it reallyhelps.
SPEAKER_01 (17:56):
Well, you know, uh consider it like, you know, I I
remember a technique you usedonce, and I really liked it.
I had someone who was afraid offrogs.
And so you brought them imagesof cartoon frogs.
SPEAKER_00 (18:09):
Oh, yeah.
That's right, right?
SPEAKER_01 (18:11):
Not pictures of actual frogs, but cartoon images
of frogs and and storybookpictures of frogs.
I think that that change hits usright in the middle of all of
our fears.
And those fears areautomatically responded to by
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this really strong, smart,habitual, subconscious mind that
wants to protect you.
I think it's so important toalways remember your
subconscious mind is alwaystrying to protect you.
But most of the time, itprotects you from what you want.
It protects you from the life ofyour dreams because you have
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been really strongly programmedto be afraid.
And so to sit with those fears,and I think you know, the
process that we went through,I'd forgotten about that, was
really about examining eachemotion and breaking it down as
to why.
Because when you when you spendtime, I do this a lot with
clients who have strongemotions, you know, they come
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in, they sit in a chair, and theemotions are right there.
I say, Well, what are youfeeling?
And they usually say somethinglike, I'm angry or I'm afraid.
And I say, Well, what else?
And they look at me funny.
And I say, Well, what else areyou feeling?
What's what else is in there?
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And then they pause and they go,Well, I guess there's a little
bit of hurt there.
Good hurts like sadness.
Sadness means you've lostsomething.
Tell me more.
What have you lost?
Oh, geez, I never thought of itthat way.
What else are you feeling?
And I keep probing.
And emotions are seldomsingular, yeah, they're stopped.
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And fear.
Fears are seldom singularbecause what we fear is often,
you know, six fears down thelane from the fear that's
triggered us.
Yeah.
Right?
You know, they're changing myrole at work, right?
Well, okay, well, what does thatmean?
Well, I might not know how to doit.
Well, what does that mean?
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Well, you know, I'll have to goto a new department and meet new
people.
Well, what does that mean?
Well, that people might not likeme.
Well, what does that mean?
Well, it means that my mothertold me to be really careful of
people so many years ago.
And so now I really resistmeeting new people because I
want them to like me, but Idon't know how to manage that.
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Right.
And now all of a sudden, thisfear has multiple components to
it, and it's a number ofdifferent events that could
happen that builds into thefear.
You know, we did a podcast onsitting with your emotions, and
I really believe that sittingwith your emotions is not
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allowing them to be, but it'sunderstanding what you're really
upset about.
And I believe that, you know,the short-term memory, the the
conscious mind is a very limitedthing, right?
When we're being logical, it's avery useful, but the conscious
mind is very limited.
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And so when the conscious mindis limited, it's really a great
idea to have pen and paper inhand.
And what I've found are thepeople who have learned how to
think and write at the same timeand keep track of their
thoughts, even if it's just aword and a followed by a word,
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followed by a word, they're ableto track their thinking.
It also moves it into adifferent place in the brain,
right?
You know, there are, you know,theoretically five senses, maybe
more.
Each contributes to yourperceptions, each can trigger a
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particular program inside you,using writing and tracking and
recording all of the componentparts of this emotional crisis
you're going through.
Break it down to all the pieces.
Just keep asking yourself, isthere anything else?
Is there anything else?
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Is there anything more?
Are there more emotions here?
You know, asking yourself, youknow, and I think one of the
most, yeah, one of the mostcomplex emotions is anger and
resentment.
It triggers a lot of differentthings, often making its way
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back to fear.
All of this builds your ownsense of competence in dealing
with change, right?
Your ability to sit with theemotions of change, to break it
down into pieces.
And then when it's down intopieces, you can get into
specific situations.
And then when you're intospecific potential situations,
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you're actually able to come upwith strategies.
And this is the value of theconscious mind.
The conscious mind is verylimited, but it's very logical.
It's very smart, much, much,you're much smarter than you
think you are.
And it gives you the chance tobreak it down and say, what is
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the problem here, really?
And more importantly, what willI do to dodge the problem, to
avoid the problem, to solve theproblem, to engage the problem.
Sometimes the answer is yougotta look somebody in the eye
and you have to engage a hardconversation.
Right?
SPEAKER_00 (23:53):
Yeah.
And you know, my my beef withthe word sitting, just sit with
your emotions, you know, is ismost of us when we sit with our
emotions, when we're left to ourown devices, I suppose, we get
sucked into it because we don't,we don't know what that next
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step is.
So I remember in that podcast,we sort of explained, you know,
start the questioning process.
Start asking your emotion.
What what do you represent?
What message do you have for me?
Just as we do in hypnosissessions, we're always asking
the body, asking the emotion,asking the mind, what message is
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there in this for me?
But when we're told, just justsit with your emotions, just sit
with it.
Oftentimes it can be justoverwhelming.
SPEAKER_01 (24:47):
I think it's also good when you're sitting with
the emotion to recognize howyou're using your imagination,
right?
That all of these fears arecoming from your ability to
create, to create scenarios, tobe able to create images, to be
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able to create problems.
You know, I recognize that inmyself.
You know, I anticipate somethingwonderful happening, and then I
immediately think of all thethings that could go wrong.
Like that's just a program.
That's a program that I don'thave to engage.
That's the one when I say, well,you know, I'm not my thoughts,
I'm the thinker.
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I can choose what I think, and Ichoose to think differently.
Like all these things I say, Iuse.
That's that's that's why I saythem.
And they do, they create shiftsin in what we think and how we
think.
And so start with the idea ofreframing that worrying is an
act of imagination.
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Anticipating negative outcomesis an act of imagination.
And although you have beentrained to use your imagination,
heck, I was a lawyer, right?
I had to think about all thethings that could go wrong,
right?
Somebody says, Oh, look at me, Ijust bought a house.
And I have to think of all thepotential legal issues and
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protect my client from them.
I was getting paid to be aprofessional worrier, right?
To be a professional problemanticipator, right?
So my childhood anticipation ofproblems became a profession.
And it I became really good atit.
And today I struggle with it.
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And so being aware that worry isan act of imagination.
It's not real.
And the odds are, when you thinkof your life in truth, although
you've had problems, right?
Your life hasn't been oneproblem after another, unless
you're interpreting it that way.
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Your life has been a series ofevents where there are lots of
positive results from changes.
Just imagine buying new clothes.
Like, how many times have youbought new clothes?
That's a change.
That's a change.
I am going to dress differently.
I'm going to dress in new ways.
I'm going to try something new.
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That's an act of imagination.
That that I think that's part ofthe reason why people can become
so addicted to shopping.
It's such a positive act ofimagination.
Oh, I would look good in this.
Oh, I really like this.
I wonder if it'll fit me.
These are all positive, youknow, anticipation,
imaginations.
The difference using yourimagination here is you're not
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resistant to the change.
You're actually open to thechange and you're excited about
the change and you're engagingthe change in a positive way.
So that alone might be a goodexample for you to remind
yourself that you can use yourimagination in a positive way.
You can positively anticipatechange.
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There's going to be fear there.
And I've got this thing in mybook that I've been putting
these stickies around my life toremind myself.
It's a simple phrase.
I acknowledge the fear and I actanyway.
I acknowledge the fear and I actanyway.
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It's just a nice little phrasethat I use a lot lately to
remind myself that fear is awarning, not a wall, and change
is okay.
So think of the fear that arisesthat's trying to take care of
you, it's trying to protect youwhen you're facing change.
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See that as resistance.
Even when it's a change we want,even when it's a change we've
been yearning for, even whenwe've been using our
imagination, and this is part ofwhat I find kind of fun and all
that.
Hillary laugh at me or laugh atherself, maybe, you know, for
literally years we've beenanticipating, looking at,
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wouldn't it be great to live outon the West Coast in this kind
of place and this?
Oh, wow, yeah, yeah.
Wouldn't it be great?
You know, we got introduced toPEI again, and wouldn't it be
great to go to PEI and live?
And we got all this positiveanticipation.
And then when we say, hey, let'sput the house up for sale,
right?
It's like, oh my god, no, no,no, no, right.
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The imagination we were using tocreate the desire for the change
is now being shifted into theimagination of all the things
that could go wrong and all thereasons it won't work, and all
the reasons it's gonna fail, andall the potential outcomes that
could be horrific.
SPEAKER_00 (29:51):
Not fitting in.
Horrific.
It's so funny how we just yeah.
I mean, I I can't say I'm not aguru over here, definitely not.
But yeah, I just take thisfeeling of, well, what if we get
there and we don't fit in?
Or what if they don't like us?
Or what if wherever we go wedon't have a community, or you
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know, what if what if I don'tlike the pickleball players out
there?
You know, what if they don'tlike me?
What if I'm not good enough atplaying pickleball?
Anyway, all this stuff.
And man.
SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
So change, and we're still dealing with sort of
internal changes, notnecessarily changes imposed upon
us.
But I think the processes arereally powerful.
That idea of sitting with youremotions is really about
understanding their depth andtheir breadth, understanding
where they come from.
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I think that there's a lot ofvalue in just seeing the way we
think as a program that wasmeant to protect us, but is
protecting us from our ownhappiness.
I think that understanding eachemotion for what it is and what
it means is probably one of themost enlightening things you can
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do.
Examining your emotions.
And I'm actually working on thatfor the school right now.
It's just come to me.
Did a couple of recordingsyesterday.
We'll try to get some stuff upon the school in the next couple
of days.
Just understanding emotions,they can be the absolute worst
thing because we will grab ontothem and we will dwell on them
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and we will hold on to them, andan emotion will become a mood,
and a mood will become anattitude, and an attitude will
become a personality, and allthese things will happen because
of an emotion that we haven'tprocessed and let go.
And they can be these wonderfulthings because you know,
emotions of love and joy andexcitement, right?
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These are the the these are thespice in life, these are the the
absolute epitome of living well,you know, having a happiness,
having joy, having a sense oflaughter and ease, right?
These are all really worthwhileemotions.
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We seek them, we yearn for them,you know.
We we watch cat videos to havethem, right?
So I think that emotions arereally, really good, but they
should be short term.
And if they're not short term,it means you're not resolving
them.
SPEAKER_00 (32:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (32:36):
And if you're not resolving them, then you need to
sit with them.
You need to see what they'retrying to tell you.
I think pen and paper is atechnique that helps a lot,
break them down into theirpieces because nothing is ever
one thing.
It's never one thing, it's neverone emotion.
And I do believe that when itcomes to change, one of the
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hardest things to overcome isthe sense of deserving, the
sense of worthiness.
SPEAKER_00 (33:04):
Like, do I deserve this change?
Is there worthy of this change?
SPEAKER_01 (33:08):
Do I deserve excitement in my life?
Do I deserve a shift in achange?
Yeah, I'll offer this.
I know we're running out oftime.
I'll offer this as a refrain.
No, when you watch nature, whenyou watch the world around you,
it is in constant change.
There is nothing in this worldthat isn't constantly changing.
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The changes might be so subtlethat you don't see them, but
when you think about it, youknow, that's that's changing.
Nature is constantly shiftingand adjusting.
Everything is in constantmovement.
Everything.
So why not you too?
Why not me?
Why can't I be a process insteadof a thing?
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Why can't I see my life as ahundred years of adventure
rather than clinging and holdingand trying to resist?
We come by it naturally, but ourimagination is an incredible
tool and it's underutilized.
SPEAKER_00 (34:14):
Well, and I think if we don't utilize it with
intention, it will it willutilize us, right?
It will it will just run off inso many directions.
It's like that that 10-daysilent retreat that I went on.
It's like I remember you know,we had to focus on our nose
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hairs or something for hours,not really, just ingest, but we
had to focus on just specificparts of our body just to take
our mind away from everythingelse, just to become really
focused.
And I remember focusing andsuddenly recognizing like, oh my
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god, my my my thoughts arecreating insanity, crazy things,
right?
And I thought, how long is this,how long has this been going on
for?
Right?
When did this start in thatmeditation?
You know, and I I sort of Ithink I chalked it up to about
20 minutes of just my thoughtshad run off.
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And here I'm thinking, I'mthinking I'm focusing, but I
just was not.
And I thought, who's in controlhere?
Who's who's actually runningthis mind?
The imagination.
And so in noticing that we canget a better grasp on using the
imagination for good.
SPEAKER_01 (35:44):
Any thoughts or questions in the chat?
SPEAKER_00 (35:46):
No, no, not yet.
Does anyone have any questionsbefore we wrap up?
SPEAKER_01 (35:51):
Comments, thoughts?
SPEAKER_00 (35:53):
Comments, thoughts, what you'd name the podcast?
Nothing yet.
We've got in the chat.
So excited for you both.
Thank you.
We're excited.
It's like one day terror, oneday excitement, one day terror.
For me at least.
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No other questions or anything.
Well, thank you everyone forhanging out today.
We're gonna get to work here.
In the chat says Using yourimagination for good change as a
podcast title.
Thank you.
And also in the chat helps mereally get excited about moving
forward myself.
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Beautiful.
And have a great day.
Thank you so much, everyone.
This has been great.
And oh I know everyone here isin the school.
And if you want to it should belater today, uh we'll have a new
classroom in the school calledEmotion.
Emotions, emotion, and andthere'll be content in there to
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get started.
Lots of stuff going to be inthere over the next little
while.
But you can check that out.
All right.
Thank you again.
Have a good day, everybody.
We are on the line.
SPEAKER_01 (00:11):
Sky's turning pink.
SPEAKER_00 (00:13):
It is, it's got a peach color over there.
SPEAKER_01 (00:15):
That would you call that?
I'm just the guy.
Things are brown or pink or redor green, not fuchsia or ivy or
peach.
I suppose there's value in thatkind of uh color of language.
SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
Language of color.
SPEAKER_00 (00:41):
So thanks for joining us here this morning.
SPEAKER_01 (00:44):
Hope you guys got caught.
SPEAKER_00 (00:46):
Yes, coffee or tea.
Whatever floats your boat.
SPEAKER_01 (00:51):
Stiff shot of whiskey first thing in the
morning.
SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
And just so you know, I don't call out names.
I know who you are.
Oh, there's another person.
I don't call out names when Iread the chat just for anonym
anonymity, anonymity purposes,because people will be listening
to this.
It's live streamed.
So not live streamed, but it'llbe uploaded to podcast sites.
(01:18):
So just to keep everybodyanonymous.
So welcome everybody.
SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
It's great to have people listening and
participating.
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
So yeah, what are we chatting about today?
SPEAKER_01 (01:28):
Well, we're moving on to part two of change.
SPEAKER_00 (01:31):
That's right.
So yesterday's podcast,yesterday's podcast, we talked
about how change can be scary.
We have decided to sell thehouse and move.
Not tomorrow, but soon.
And that is a little terrifying,honestly.
It's pretty scary.
(01:52):
So I started talking about howmoving can be scary, how change
in general can be scary.
And yeah, how life can can bringus changes and how to move
through that fear.
I think today we're gonna talk abit about that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:12):
Well, we talked yesterday about the idea of
change coming from within.
There are some changes that comefrom within.
We get motivated to make change,we seek something more, and we
realize that whatever it is inour behavior or larger
lifestyle, uh, it needs toshift, it needs to change.
(02:34):
And it's really hard to do thatbecause first of all, you know,
you have your own fears.
What if this doesn't work?
Which is a, I think, one ofthose really unfortunate
programs that we inherit fromvery young.
What if this doesn't work?
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What if this can't happen?
What if we it doesn't go the waywe hoped?
This is this is a reallypersistent subconscious program
that I think is uh built into usvery, very young, and an attempt
to protect us, in an attempt toto prepare us.
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We think that it's good to thinkand anticipate the worst.
And in fact, the more we workwith people and the more we
study and learn about the mindand the world and quantum
physics and you know theanticipation, the methodologies
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for aligning your internalprocesses with an external
outcome.
That's just really not helpful.
It's really not a usefulprogram.
It's just a limiting belief, andit's really uh something to be
recognized.
I was doing some recordingsyesterday for the school, and we
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underestimate the the shift thattakes place in us when we just
recognize a mental bad habit.
Just recognizing it, justspotting it, just saying, oh,
wait a second, how is thatserving me?
Just recognizing it.
We already create a shift.
We already start the process ofopening our mind to another way
(04:26):
of considering this, you know,and knowing always, you know, I
say it a million times a day,knowing that the mind is a
habit-making machine and thatour thoughts are habits, seeing
a habit is the first steptowards eliminating it, changing
it, replacing it with somethingbetter.
(04:48):
So I really think that whetherit's internal or external, the
first idea that we go towardschange with fear is is not
serving us and is probably theopposite of what we should be
doing.
SPEAKER_00 (05:04):
Yeah, well, I was speaking yesterday, or I think
maybe I just thought it.
Sometimes I think things andthink I spoke it.
But I I think that fear makes itfeel like it's true.
Like if I'm having fear aboutsomething, I should be running
away from it.
Right?
It's that, it's that old, old,what do they call it?
(05:27):
Reptilian or mammalian brain,both maybe reptilian brain for
sure.
I know I've heard that.
But just this old, oldbiological part of us that says,
There's something scary, runaway from it, don't do it, you
know.
And fear, yeah, brings up thosethose deep feelings like, well,
(05:49):
maybe because I'm feeling thisfear, I shouldn't be doing this,
right?
It's almost like it's screaming,this is the truth, but it's not
the truth, right?
Yeah, however many years ago, ifyou saw a lion, you'd run away
and that would be good and youwould survive.
But nowadays it's, you know,feeling fear of well, what are
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what are all those things thatwe avoid even looking at because
we feel fear of?
Money's a big thing, you know.
We avoid sometimes looking atour accounts because it makes us
fearful.
Just so many things in life thatwe avoid because of fear.
SPEAKER_01 (06:27):
Well, I think we underestimate the amount of
programming that comes to usfrom our parents, comes to us
from our schooling.
You know, those early, earlyyears, we are really taught to
fear.
We are taught to be cautious,you know, don't cross the
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street, don't talk to strangers.
These kinds of deep-seatedprograms make everything,
everything in our world appearsto be scary.
I'm not sure how much of that issort of base body biology,
because yeah, we have the ourbrain centers, the reptilian
(07:11):
brain, uh, that sort of keeps usalive, and we've got the you
know, the central processingunits in the brain, the
amygdala, which is really filledwith emotion and controls that
sympathetic nervous system.
But I also believe that there'san element, a big element of
programming.
(07:31):
And I use that phrase becausefor two reasons.
First reason is becauseprogramming can change.
We can change that.
It means it wasn't thereoriginally.
It wasn't, you know, part of whowe are, it's part of who we've
become.
And I also use that because Ithink it's important to
acknowledge that it didn't comefrom us.
(07:56):
It was somebody else's view ofthe world that came to us, that
they gave us out of love, out ofa desire to take care of us, out
of a belief that their fearswere really grounded in
important ideas.
So I think of an example.
The example I come up with is myson and a friend of mine's
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granddaughter.
Now, for me, there's not a wholelot that's going to make me jump
and it's gonna make me recoil,but snakes do that to me.
Snakes, just the movement in thegrass is enough to make me shout
and jump and move away quickly.
(08:42):
Now, my son loves snakes.
He sees a snake, he comesrunning at it, and he has to
hold it, he has to play with it,and he has to talk to it, and he
wants to keep it.
And from the time he was little,little, little, he just had this
love of snakes.
(09:03):
And the same thing with mybuddy's granddaughter.
She loves snakes.
She's little, she's like two,three years old, and she just
can't, she can't stay away ifit's a snake.
She wants to see it.
And he's the same way as me.
You know, just a hint that theremight be a snake nearby puts us
on full caution.
(09:23):
So I'm not sure how much isactually human programming, base
human uh nature.
I think anything, no matterwhat, there's there's two steps.
There's always a perception andan interpretation.
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In fact, that happens so fastthat it's hard not to see them
as one process.
It's hard not to be, it's hardto be able to break them down
into steps and try to engage achange of that.
Now, we've done it in hypnosis.
(10:04):
We've made people go from beingabsolutely terrified of
something to completelyindifferent to it, right?
And then we we realize a lot ofthese fears that we have are
very much programmed into us.
Now, to go after the heart ofthe matter to me starts with
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understanding first theprogrammed fears we have, and
second, our resistance to changethem, our resistance to think
that they might not be true.
So when change comes along,change really triggers our
fears, our worries.
(10:46):
I think worrying is a habit thatgets developed very young.
I know of people, clients, thatworry has become almost an
operating mode, and thatoperating mode really
interferes, of course, withtheir ability to enjoy the
moment that they're in.
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And we do a lot of reframingabout the past, present, and
future, and we do a lot ofreframing about possibilities,
and we try to move away from theidea of avoidance to the idea of
moving through fear.
So the primary refrain reallybecomes fear is a warning, not a
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wall.
It's good to be, it's good to becareful, I think.
I think it's good to manage thevarious factors that could
result in less than optimaloutcomes.
But fear creates fear.
The vibration of fear creates asystem of fear.
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And I think that it's importantto see the systems of fear that
we create around ourselves.
You know, I think that it's asystem of fear that that we live
through when it comes to thingslike school and work.
But the primary yearning isacceptance, but the principal
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fear is rejection, and that thiswon't be a place where I feel
appreciated, sometimes evensafe.
I think you know that's a bigstep for people.
I experienced it a lot withstudents coming to college, and
their what they called theirsocial anxiety was really an
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incredible cautiousness that wasbuilt into them very young to be
almost unable to truststrangers.
SPEAKER_00 (12:51):
And that translates to other students.
SPEAKER_01 (12:55):
Well, translates to other students, it translates to
teachers, it translates to newplaces to live, it it translates
to the social environment.
I mean, the college itself issuch a social experience.
SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
Yeah, and you want to fit in.
Yeah, and if you have the if youhave the thoughts of, well, uh I
know, I know I used to gothrough this thought pattern
years ago.
I know I've had clients that gothrough it just feeling like,
oh, well, once they know who Iam, they're not gonna like me
anymore, right?
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Once they see me for me, I'mgonna lose them as a friend or
something.
And I think that can that caneven stop people from
experiencing friendships ordelving into new friendships or
even showing themselves for whothey are.
Being, I know we throw this wordauthentic around, but yeah, you
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want to be who you are.
But sometimes you feel scared tobe who you are.
You know, even me is sometimesscared to talk about aliens and
aliens, aliens and past livesand life between and all the
woo-woo stuff.
But that's what I love, that'swhat I gravitate towards.
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I shouldn't be scared to talkabout it.
SPEAKER_01 (14:21):
We like to think that reframes are useful because
they are logical and they'reaccurate.
I think sometimes, though,dealing with somebody's fear by
simply telling them that there'snothing to be afraid of is a
really useless thing.
And something I've done in thepast that has worked out well,
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and I don't know if it's uniqueto that client or whether it's a
really great reframe, is tosimply say, well, what's the
worst that can happen?
And then follow that thinking.
Well, what would that mean?
Yeah, why would that be bad?
You know, recently had a friendwho wanted to be part of a a
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trip, I'll use it as that, andfelt like the the introduction
and application process wasn'tfair and biased against people
who don't, you know, look andact a certain way.
And of course, you know, therejection was really hard.
(15:30):
But one of the thoughts that Ioffered her in our in our
conversation, because I justreally think, I really think she
dodged a bullet.
From my point of view, beingrejected by these absolute
jerks, right?
Was the best thing that couldhave happened to her.
The worst thing that could havehappened to her was that they
they take her on the on thetrip, they they take her money,
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and then they treat her badlywhile she's there.
Yeah, that would be horrible,right?
That would take this thing thatyou dream about and turn it into
a nightmare.
Sometimes being open to the ideathat not getting what I want can
be good for me, right?
(16:16):
Can be a useful idea when facingthese automatic reactions to
difficult circumstances.
Reframing around fear, I think,really requires just engaging
the fear a little bit.
You know, the the Tao Ta Qing,one of my favorite books of all
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time, the Tao Ta Qing says ifyou want to get rid of
something, first you must let itbe.
And I really like that idea.
I like the idea, you know, whatdoes it mean to sit with this
emotion?
What does it mean to spend time?
And I think when it comes tofear, it's about spending time
understanding what it is youfear and whether or not that
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fear is real.
SPEAKER_00 (17:06):
I really liked how, you know, over the course of a
week since making this decision,I've gone up and down with
emotions.
And I really liked how you hadme like write out.
We sat in the living room andyou had me write out my
emotions, and then we just wentthrough them like one by one and
look unpacked, you know, whatwhat are you fearful of this or
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what are you feeling?
And uh, you know, just goingthrough each one one by one and
saying it out loud, too.
I have clients that will come tome and say, Now that I'm saying
this out loud, it it's actuallydissipating the fear because I
think when we keep it lockedinside, it it becomes so real,
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it becomes our our world, right?
So talking about it reallyhelps.
SPEAKER_01 (17:56):
Well, you know, uh consider it like, you know, I I
remember a technique you usedonce, and I really liked it.
I had someone who was afraid offrogs.
And so you brought them imagesof cartoon frogs.
SPEAKER_00 (18:09):
Oh, yeah.
That's right, right?
SPEAKER_01 (18:11):
Not pictures of actual frogs, but cartoon images
of frogs and and storybookpictures of frogs.
I think that that change hits usright in the middle of all of
our fears.
And those fears areautomatically responded to by
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this really strong, smart,habitual, subconscious mind that
wants to protect you.
I think it's so important toalways remember your
subconscious mind is alwaystrying to protect you.
But most of the time, itprotects you from what you want.
It protects you from the life ofyour dreams because you have
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been really strongly programmedto be afraid.
And so to sit with those fears,and I think you know, the
process that we went through,I'd forgotten about that, was
really about examining eachemotion and breaking it down as
to why.
Because when you when you spendtime, I do this a lot with
clients who have strongemotions, you know, they come
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in, they sit in a chair, and theemotions are right there.
I say, Well, what are youfeeling?
And they usually say somethinglike, I'm angry or I'm afraid.
And I say, Well, what else?
And they look at me funny.
And I say, Well, what else areyou feeling?
What's what else is in there?
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And then they pause and they go,Well, I guess there's a little
bit of hurt there.
Good hurts like sadness.
Sadness means you've lostsomething.
Tell me more.
What have you lost?
Oh, geez, I never thought of itthat way.
What else are you feeling?
And I keep probing.
And emotions are seldomsingular, yeah, they're stopped.
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And fear.
Fears are seldom singularbecause what we fear is often,
you know, six fears down thelane from the fear that's
triggered us.
Yeah.
Right?
You know, they're changing myrole at work, right?
Well, okay, well, what does thatmean?
Well, I might not know how to doit.
Well, what does that mean?
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Well, you know, I'll have to goto a new department and meet new
people.
Well, what does that mean?
Well, that people might not likeme.
Well, what does that mean?
Well, it means that my mothertold me to be really careful of
people so many years ago.
And so now I really resistmeeting new people because I
want them to like me, but Idon't know how to manage that.
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Right.
And now all of a sudden, thisfear has multiple components to
it, and it's a number ofdifferent events that could
happen that builds into thefear.
You know, we did a podcast onsitting with your emotions, and
I really believe that sittingwith your emotions is not
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allowing them to be, but it'sunderstanding what you're really
upset about.
And I believe that, you know,the short-term memory, the the
conscious mind is a very limitedthing, right?
When we're being logical, it's avery useful, but the conscious
mind is very limited.
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And so when the conscious mindis limited, it's really a great
idea to have pen and paper inhand.
And what I've found are thepeople who have learned how to
think and write at the same timeand keep track of their
thoughts, even if it's just aword and a followed by a word,
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followed by a word, they're ableto track their thinking.
It also moves it into adifferent place in the brain,
right?
You know, there are, you know,theoretically five senses, maybe
more.
Each contributes to yourperceptions, each can trigger a
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particular program inside you,using writing and tracking and
recording all of the componentparts of this emotional crisis
you're going through.
Break it down to all the pieces.
Just keep asking yourself, isthere anything else?
Is there anything else?
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Is there anything more?
Are there more emotions here?
You know, asking yourself, youknow, and I think one of the
most, yeah, one of the mostcomplex emotions is anger and
resentment.
It triggers a lot of differentthings, often making its way
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back to fear.
All of this builds your ownsense of competence in dealing
with change, right?
Your ability to sit with theemotions of change, to break it
down into pieces.
And then when it's down intopieces, you can get into
specific situations.
And then when you're intospecific potential situations,
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you're actually able to come upwith strategies.
And this is the value of theconscious mind.
The conscious mind is verylimited, but it's very logical.
It's very smart, much, much,you're much smarter than you
think you are.
And it gives you the chance tobreak it down and say, what is
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the problem here, really?
And more importantly, what willI do to dodge the problem, to
avoid the problem, to solve theproblem, to engage the problem.
Sometimes the answer is yougotta look somebody in the eye
and you have to engage a hardconversation.
Right?
SPEAKER_00 (23:53):
Yeah.
And you know, my my beef withthe word sitting, just sit with
your emotions, you know, is ismost of us when we sit with our
emotions, when we're left to ourown devices, I suppose, we get
sucked into it because we don't,we don't know what that next
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step is.
So I remember in that podcast,we sort of explained, you know,
start the questioning process.
Start asking your emotion.
What what do you represent?
What message do you have for me?
Just as we do in hypnosissessions, we're always asking
the body, asking the emotion,asking the mind, what message is
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there in this for me?
But when we're told, just justsit with your emotions, just sit
with it.
Oftentimes it can be justoverwhelming.
SPEAKER_01 (24:47):
I think it's also good when you're sitting with
the emotion to recognize howyou're using your imagination,
right?
That all of these fears arecoming from your ability to
create, to create scenarios, tobe able to create images, to be
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able to create problems.
You know, I recognize that inmyself.
You know, I anticipate somethingwonderful happening, and then I
immediately think of all thethings that could go wrong.
Like that's just a program.
That's a program that I don'thave to engage.
That's the one when I say, well,you know, I'm not my thoughts,
I'm the thinker.
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I can choose what I think, and Ichoose to think differently.
Like all these things I say, Iuse.
That's that's that's why I saythem.
And they do, they create shiftsin in what we think and how we
think.
And so start with the idea ofreframing that worrying is an
act of imagination.
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Anticipating negative outcomesis an act of imagination.
And although you have beentrained to use your imagination,
heck, I was a lawyer, right?
I had to think about all thethings that could go wrong,
right?
Somebody says, Oh, look at me, Ijust bought a house.
And I have to think of all thepotential legal issues and
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protect my client from them.
I was getting paid to be aprofessional worrier, right?
To be a professional problemanticipator, right?
So my childhood anticipation ofproblems became a profession.
And it I became really good atit.
And today I struggle with it.
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And so being aware that worry isan act of imagination.
It's not real.
And the odds are, when you thinkof your life in truth, although
you've had problems, right?
Your life hasn't been oneproblem after another, unless
you're interpreting it that way.
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Your life has been a series ofevents where there are lots of
positive results from changes.
Just imagine buying new clothes.
Like, how many times have youbought new clothes?
That's a change.
That's a change.
I am going to dress differently.
I'm going to dress in new ways.
I'm going to try something new.
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That's an act of imagination.
That that I think that's part ofthe reason why people can become
so addicted to shopping.
It's such a positive act ofimagination.
Oh, I would look good in this.
Oh, I really like this.
I wonder if it'll fit me.
These are all positive, youknow, anticipation,
imaginations.
The difference using yourimagination here is you're not
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resistant to the change.
You're actually open to thechange and you're excited about
the change and you're engagingthe change in a positive way.
So that alone might be a goodexample for you to remind
yourself that you can use yourimagination in a positive way.
You can positively anticipatechange.
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There's going to be fear there.
And I've got this thing in mybook that I've been putting
these stickies around my life toremind myself.
It's a simple phrase.
I acknowledge the fear and I actanyway.
I acknowledge the fear and I actanyway.
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It's just a nice little phrasethat I use a lot lately to
remind myself that fear is awarning, not a wall, and change
is okay.
So think of the fear that arisesthat's trying to take care of
you, it's trying to protect youwhen you're facing change.
(28:43):
See that as resistance.
Even when it's a change we want,even when it's a change we've
been yearning for, even whenwe've been using our
imagination, and this is part ofwhat I find kind of fun and all
that.
Hillary laugh at me or laugh atherself, maybe, you know, for
literally years we've beenanticipating, looking at,
(29:05):
wouldn't it be great to live outon the West Coast in this kind
of place and this?
Oh, wow, yeah, yeah.
Wouldn't it be great?
You know, we got introduced toPEI again, and wouldn't it be
great to go to PEI and live?
And we got all this positiveanticipation.
And then when we say, hey, let'sput the house up for sale,
right?
It's like, oh my god, no, no,no, no, right.
(29:30):
The imagination we were using tocreate the desire for the change
is now being shifted into theimagination of all the things
that could go wrong and all thereasons it won't work, and all
the reasons it's gonna fail, andall the potential outcomes that
could be horrific.
SPEAKER_00 (29:51):
Not fitting in.
Horrific.
It's so funny how we just yeah.
I mean, I I can't say I'm not aguru over here, definitely not.
But yeah, I just take thisfeeling of, well, what if we get
there and we don't fit in?
Or what if they don't like us?
Or what if wherever we go wedon't have a community, or you
(30:13):
know, what if what if I don'tlike the pickleball players out
there?
You know, what if they don'tlike me?
What if I'm not good enough atplaying pickleball?
Anyway, all this stuff.
And man.
SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
So change, and we're still dealing with sort of
internal changes, notnecessarily changes imposed upon
us.
But I think the processes arereally powerful.
That idea of sitting with youremotions is really about
understanding their depth andtheir breadth, understanding
where they come from.
(30:49):
I think that there's a lot ofvalue in just seeing the way we
think as a program that wasmeant to protect us, but is
protecting us from our ownhappiness.
I think that understanding eachemotion for what it is and what
it means is probably one of themost enlightening things you can
(31:14):
do.
Examining your emotions.
And I'm actually working on thatfor the school right now.
It's just come to me.
Did a couple of recordingsyesterday.
We'll try to get some stuff upon the school in the next couple
of days.
Just understanding emotions,they can be the absolute worst
thing because we will grab ontothem and we will dwell on them
(31:36):
and we will hold on to them, andan emotion will become a mood,
and a mood will become anattitude, and an attitude will
become a personality, and allthese things will happen because
of an emotion that we haven'tprocessed and let go.
And they can be these wonderfulthings because you know,
emotions of love and joy andexcitement, right?
(31:57):
These are the the these are thespice in life, these are the the
absolute epitome of living well,you know, having a happiness,
having joy, having a sense oflaughter and ease, right?
These are all really worthwhileemotions.
(32:18):
We seek them, we yearn for them,you know.
We we watch cat videos to havethem, right?
So I think that emotions arereally, really good, but they
should be short term.
And if they're not short term,it means you're not resolving
them.
SPEAKER_00 (32:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (32:36):
And if you're not resolving them, then you need to
sit with them.
You need to see what they'retrying to tell you.
I think pen and paper is atechnique that helps a lot,
break them down into theirpieces because nothing is ever
one thing.
It's never one thing, it's neverone emotion.
And I do believe that when itcomes to change, one of the
(32:57):
hardest things to overcome isthe sense of deserving, the
sense of worthiness.
SPEAKER_00 (33:04):
Like, do I deserve this change?
Is there worthy of this change?
SPEAKER_01 (33:08):
Do I deserve excitement in my life?
Do I deserve a shift in achange?
Yeah, I'll offer this.
I know we're running out oftime.
I'll offer this as a refrain.
No, when you watch nature, whenyou watch the world around you,
it is in constant change.
There is nothing in this worldthat isn't constantly changing.
(33:33):
The changes might be so subtlethat you don't see them, but
when you think about it, youknow, that's that's changing.
Nature is constantly shiftingand adjusting.
Everything is in constantmovement.
Everything.
So why not you too?
Why not me?
Why can't I be a process insteadof a thing?
(33:56):
Why can't I see my life as ahundred years of adventure
rather than clinging and holdingand trying to resist?
We come by it naturally, but ourimagination is an incredible
tool and it's underutilized.
SPEAKER_00 (34:14):
Well, and I think if we don't utilize it with
intention, it will it willutilize us, right?
It will it will just run off inso many directions.
It's like that that 10-daysilent retreat that I went on.
It's like I remember you know,we had to focus on our nose
(34:36):
hairs or something for hours,not really, just ingest, but we
had to focus on just specificparts of our body just to take
our mind away from everythingelse, just to become really
focused.
And I remember focusing andsuddenly recognizing like, oh my
(35:00):
god, my my my thoughts arecreating insanity, crazy things,
right?
And I thought, how long is this,how long has this been going on
for?
Right?
When did this start in thatmeditation?
You know, and I I sort of Ithink I chalked it up to about
20 minutes of just my thoughtshad run off.
(35:23):
And here I'm thinking, I'mthinking I'm focusing, but I
just was not.
And I thought, who's in controlhere?
Who's who's actually runningthis mind?
The imagination.
And so in noticing that we canget a better grasp on using the
imagination for good.
SPEAKER_01 (35:44):
Any thoughts or questions in the chat?
SPEAKER_00 (35:46):
No, no, not yet.
Does anyone have any questionsbefore we wrap up?
SPEAKER_01 (35:51):
Comments, thoughts?
SPEAKER_00 (35:53):
Comments, thoughts, what you'd name the podcast?
Nothing yet.
We've got in the chat.
So excited for you both.
Thank you.
We're excited.
It's like one day terror, oneday excitement, one day terror.
For me at least.
(36:13):
No other questions or anything.
Well, thank you everyone forhanging out today.
We're gonna get to work here.
In the chat says Using yourimagination for good change as a
podcast title.
Thank you.
And also in the chat helps mereally get excited about moving
forward myself.
(36:34):
Beautiful.
And have a great day.
Thank you so much, everyone.
This has been great.
And oh I know everyone here isin the school.
And if you want to it should belater today, uh we'll have a new
classroom in the school calledEmotion.
Emotions, emotion, and andthere'll be content in there to
(36:56):
get started.
Lots of stuff going to be inthere over the next little
while.
But you can check that out.
All right.
Thank you again.
Have a good day, everybody.
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