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Ever wondered how chakras might be influencing your daily life without you even realizing it? Join us for a heartfelt and eye-opening chat over coffee, where Les recounts his personal journey from complete ignorance of chakras to their meaningful integration into his practice. Meanwhile, Hilary shares profound insights on how chakras could be the bridge between our physical bodies and souls, especially in moments of dissociation or near-death experiences. Together, we explore how energy flow in our bodies correlates with our overall health and well-being, drawing fascinating connections to quantum physics and vibrations.
Are societal and scientific norms holding back your understanding of the world? We tackle this head-on, discussing the limitations these dogmas impose on accepting unconventional experiences. By introducing the potential of quantum mechanics to explain the intricate relationship between thought, energy, and physical reality, we argue for the value of personal exploration and critical thinking. Moreover, we highlight the influence of corporate interests on scientific research, urging a more open-minded approach as you navigate the complexities of knowledge and discovery.
Do you respect diverse thoughts and ideas, even when they challenge your own beliefs? In our discussion, we emphasize the importance of respecting different perspectives while sharing insights without imposing them. We talk about the fear and misunderstanding that often lead to conflict, and how fostering a culture of mutual respect can stimulate creativity and exploration. Wrapping up, we reflect on the power of critical thinking and self-reflection in embracing growth and advancement. Finally, we invite you to explore how hypnosis might aid your personal journey and encourage you to connect with us for more insights and support. Thank you for joining us; let's continue this journey together.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome and thank you for joining us for Coffee with
Hilary and Les.
Brought to you by the State ofMind Hypnosis and Training
Center located in the heart ofthe Kawartha Lakes, this is our
almost daily community podcastabout the mind and how we all
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might change it in the mostsimple and helpful ways.
Every day we sit staring at thelake and sipping our coffee,
chatting about hypnosis and howto make those meaningful
adjustments to our state of mind, because nothing's more
important than your state ofmind.
Because nothing's moreimportant than your state of
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mind.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Okay, we're on the line.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Awww, a cloudy day.
Yep, the walls pretty circlingLooking for fish.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's a Saturday today and we are just winging it this
morning.
Sometimes our bestconversations come out of
winging it, I think.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Well, we have normal conversations, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It always ends up to something weird.
Yeah, I'm not sure if peoplewould prefer our planned
conversations or these kinds of,I think, planned for like 99%
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and winging it for the 1%.
I was trying to think of thingsto talk about.
I was trying to think of thingsto talk about.
I think about you know, todaywe're having friends over and of
course, you know it's a goodthing that we do have friends
over because we clean the housethose times it's got wonderful
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side effects, yeah, so what?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
were you learning yesterday about chakras?
Well, I've never really had aconscious awareness of chakras.
It's never been something thatI related to not because, I
agree or disagree or have anystrong opinion of.
I haven't historically had anysense of them at all being
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active.
But I do relate to the idea ofenergy flowing from top to
bottom, you know, and frombottom to top and there's a
connection that you know thatthe body itself can be like an
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antenna in terms of absorbingenergy.
You know it doesn't take muchto experience that, just stand
in the sunshine for a while, oryou know, I know it sounds goofy
I like sometimes in the wintergoing and standing outside in
the cold and just experiencingthat.
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So I mean yeah.
So I mean yeah, I have everyawareness that my physical body
is a composition of energies andthat energy needs to flow.
Everything needs to flow inthis existence.
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Everything needs to come and itneeds to go, and I'm aware of
that, but I've never really sortof sat down and said, hmm,
what's a chakra and what doesthat mean?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, I know, for me it's been like I learned about
chakras.
Where did I learn them?
I feel like I knew them beforedoing yoga training.
But is that I learned of themback in 2005, 2006?
And, yeah, I didn't.
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I didn't really understand themor think about them too much,
and it's only actually in thelast, I don't know in the last
couple of years that I'vestarted to hear about them more
and work with them more, whetherintentionally or
unintentionally, and I thinkthey're becoming more and more
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prevalent, in my practice atleast.
Yeah, there's been one thingthat came up that is sort of
right in the front of my brainright now to talk about is now
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to talk about is this idea ofthe chakras really tethering our
soul to the body, and thismight be a little woo-woo out
there, but this idea that oursoul really clicks in, almost
clicking into each chakra downinto the body and I noticed this
with someone that I worked withthat was experiencing some
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disassociation.
When you go through that, itfeels as if you're sort of out
of the body, a little bit likeone foot out, one foot in, and I
recognized it as something thatmy NDE clients go through.
And so when the NDE clients cometo me they say, well, I died, I
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came back, I got back into thebody.
I died, I came back, I got backinto the body.
But I feel like I've got onefoot in, one foot out and I feel
like I'll just and I have notme but them popped out and had
out of body experiences and it'slike they have a hard time
controlling when they're in thebody and out of the body, body
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and out of the body.
So I noticed that same sort ofrhetoric with my clients that
have disassociation issues, andso we actually did some work on
sending the soul down andlocking into the root chakra,
whether that be a little bit ofsoul or a lot of soul, sending
that down, locking in and sortof having this yeah, like it
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just reminds me of like a click,click, click, like seven clicks
down into the body and beingrooted in the body and feeling
into the body from the points ofthe chakras.
I don't know if that makessense or uh not, but it seemed
to help.
It seemed to help.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I tend to work with people who are experiencing more
like restrictions,constrictions, lack of flow,
lack of movement, lack of justrhythm.
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Yeah, flow think they're morethe stuff we tend to work with
our people who aren't um feelingflow in their body.
Things get stuck, things gettrapped, they get stuck on
things um, they hang on tothings um, and to me that that's
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the, that's the beginning ofillness.
Right, we hold things, we holdthem in a place in our body and,
yeah, negative vibration isnegative vibration.
You know like I'm reallycomfortable with the idea um,
you know that everything isenergy, that everything is
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vibration.
That's just the core of quantumphysics, right, right.
And I'm really comfortable withthe idea of, you know, the
quantum physics concept ofcollapsing, that it is the
interaction between mind andthis space of matter that
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creates, that, creates reality.
Um, that creates that, createsreality, um, and so that, if
that applies, as I look outwardinto the world, that you know
that that tree that I'm lookingat is there with all its
conditions, um, as a result ofsort of a collective thought, um
, that works the same for mybody.
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And so, if, if I am hanging onto emotions, if I'm hanging on
to experiences, if I'm hangingon to to, uh, you know,
relationship based, uh, negativethoughts, thought patterns,
thought forms, all of this to memakes perfect sense.
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E equals MC.
Squared Matter is just energyslowed right down, and so that,
to me, is universal.
It's not for some things, it'snot for physicists things, it's
not for, you know, physiciststrying to create a bomb.
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It's for all of us to know thatthat's how our physical person,
our physical reality comesabout.
And so I'm very, very, veryfocused on what's going on in
the mind that impacts what we'recreating, what we are pushing
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energy into form.
And what is the theme, what isthe emotion, what is the
vibrational element that goeswith that?
And so for me, it's always beenreally easy to see the
connection between thought andillness.
It's always been really easy tosee the connection between
thought and illness, and it'sbeen something that I've just
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really dove into and spent a lotof time with and feel really
comfortable with, and also knowand have experienced in myself
the times I have used my mind tocorrect illness, illness that
was embedded in me, illness thatwas just starting in me.
Yeah, I have an awareness ofthat.
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So it's part of those thingsthat I really stress.
Working with clients is flowing, things that I really stress.
Working with clients is flowing, getting things to move through
, allowing things in but thenletting it go right back out
again.
I don't believe that anythingstays with us.
Naturally.
I believe that we hang on to it, that we become, we get ideas.
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You know it's the way sometimesI think I live, I wake up in
the morning and I get some ideasand then I just cling to them
all day.
Some of them make me feel goodand I'm more inclined to cling
to them, or some of them make mefeel intensely negative and
that could cause me to cling tothem as I try to understand them
.
But I think in many ways it'sreally just best to see yourself
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as this giant ethereal filterwhere things are coming and
going and passing through.
And I try to remind myself andcertainly when I work with
clients I try to remind themjust let it go, let it come,
have the experience, then let itgo.
It means nothing unless you putmeaning to it, and it's when
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you put meaning to it thatyou'll stimulate those emotions
that might cause you to hang onto it.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
And we even I don't know if you were meaning to
allude to it there, but we evenpick up other people's stuff, um
, as we move throughout thisworld, um, what is that thing
called?
Where that?
So the heart beats and createsthis energetic field around us?
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I was talking to somebodyrecently and they knew the name
of it and it's escaping me rightnow, but we have this kind of
donut shaped energetic fieldaround us just from our heart
beating and the electricitycaused by that, and I think you
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know we have a tendency to wellwell, I mean, we are electricity
moving through an electricworld, um, and if you think
about everybody having thiselectric field, um, our
interaction with, uh, people,what I'm seeing, what I'm'm
reading about, is we tend tohave an impact.
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Even just me sitting acrossfrom you, it's like a 1.5 meter
outfield of electricity and wehave an impact on people around
us.
That's why I think whensomebody walks into a room and
you know, you can feel rightaway whether or not you like
this person or you don't likethem, or they're scary or
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something.
I think we have the ability toknow and understand things at
such a deeper level that we'renot even it's like we've grown
out of in this, you know,industrialized world, um, and
we're not as in tune with andI'll just give an out there
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scenario.
I was working with somebodyrecently where, um, there was,
uh, I was working with thempsychically and there was
something that they had gonethrough just within the last 24
hours and they had picked up apiece of somebody's energy and
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was carrying it around, and sowe talked about cord cutting
after, you know, after work,after a hard day's work, just
making sure to cut through andrelease any energy.
That's sort of sticking aroundin your energy and you don't
even have to know that there'sanything there.
But just having the intentionto clear your own energy is
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important.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, you know, I've certainly had those kinds of
experiences, and very much.
Well, let me back up and say itthis way I think one of the
most significant things going onin our world today is that we
let too, many other peopledefine for us what we do and
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don't experience, what we areand aren't experiencing within
our own personal I hate the word, but I'll say reality.
You know, people are quick todismiss and they're quick to use
phrases.
(15:57):
Like you know, I believe inscience.
And I get frustrated by that andthat's my, my issue.
But my issue lies in the factthat we want to communicate, we
want to share, we want to useour understandings for the
benefit of not just ourselvesbut for others.
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And when people will, um, justblanketly dismiss other people's
experiences, as you know, usingsilly phrases like unscientific
, it frustrates me because it'slike closing a door to knowledge
.
You know, you've heard me sayit a million times the only
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unscientific thing you can do isignore evidence, and that's
what so many scientific peopledo, is they ignore evidence.
People talk about theirexperiences, people talk about
phenomena and then it getsdismissed quickly.
For me, there's things that I'mreally interested in, that I'm
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really focused on, like you know, the ideas of quantum mechanics
collapsing from the field andentanglements and how we're
bound.
These concepts, I find, arereally meaningful and explain a
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lot more of what goes on in myexperience than old science and
such I don't.
You know, as we started offtalking about chakras, I don't
dismiss chakras.
They've just not been sort of arelevant understanding to me up
to this point.
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But I wouldn't dismiss them.
I wouldn't say to people well,that's not scientific and really
what I'm driving at here morethan anything else is that my
awareness as a hypnotist is thatwe are programmed.
We are programmed with every bitof input that we've ever
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received, directly andindirectly, and all of that
input shapes our view of theworld.
And that understanding of theworld is what shapes what we
will experience, what we canexperience.
If we've decided that all ofthat is woo-woo crap, then it's
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just woo-woo crap and we willnever experience it.
Of that is woo-woo crap, thenit's just woo-woo crap and we
will never experience it.
And when we have experiencesthat are revealing in these
areas, we dismiss them and wethink of them, we explain them
in the silliest ways to be ableto dismiss them.
And what I want for everyone isto use your own judgment.
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Don't listen to me.
Don't listen to anybody.
Don't let somebody tell youwhat is or isn't true.
Experience what you experienceand then explore it.
Allow yourself to say, hmm,what would it be like if that
was true, if this idea thatsomebody's just shared with me,
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if it was actually accurate insome dip, some way, in some
dimension and some some degree?
What would that mean?
What?
What would what would myexperience become?
And so I guess I guess what I'mdriving at is that we've got 50
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, 60 years of really meaningfulquantum physics that really
explains, or tries to explain,the connection between thought
and energy and physicality, andit is offering some really great
explanations.
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So don't be a cherry picker.
If you're like you say, I'minto science, right.
Don't be a cherry picker andsay, well, I like this science
because it makes me feel safeand comfortable and this is my
safe world, because I onlybelieve in this and this and
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this.
That's no different thananything that a scientific
person would criticize andthought.
I don't know if that's makingsense but my message is you are
completely capable of examiningand understanding and coming to
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your own conclusions, and youshould not let somebody else
define reality for you itreminds me of um.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I remember this because of the emotional
attachment I had I developed toit.
I think it was like a year ago,year and a half ago.
I don't know if you remember mekind of freaking out about this
when it happened, but I wasinto something.
Something sparked me to look upa journal, like to see if it
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had been, like to see if it hadbeen researched, and it was kind
of in a little bit in thequantum world.
I can't remember exactly whatit was now, I just remember the
emotion and what happened.
So I looked it up and there wasa journal article on it, as if
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somebody had researched it.
So I went to look at thearticle and there was a big post
right at the top of it sayingthis article is not available
anymore because basically it waspeer reviewed, which they do,
but scientists didn't like thesound of it, so they kept saying
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no, no, this isn't it right.
So now it wasn't available toread and I was just
flabbergasted and I think that'sthe first time you said to me
science, something along thelines of science, will change
when old scientists die off kindof thing.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
That's what they say.
Science never changes until oldscientists die yeah and they,
they cling to their ideas andand to me.
You know I'm gonna go on a ranthere, but yeah it's.
You know, we.
We live in a world now and it'sworthwhile to step back from it
and look at it and ask yourselfhmm, is this really a good
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thing?
But there's very little in ourworld anymore that isn't about
profitability.
People are out there workingscience not because they're
trying to discover the nature ofour reality, but because the
theories and ideas that come outof it can be used in the
marketplace to make money.
And as a result, you know,you've got the funding for
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research coming fromcorporations who have a stake in
the outcome of that research.
I used to teach my students,you know, like people don't
realize FedEx invests inteleportation research, because
they know that the instant thathappens they're out of business.
So they don't want to be leftbehind, they want to be part of
it.
And so you've got this world.
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And the big part of our worldis the world of mental health
and pharmaceuticals.
It's a big, big part of ourworld.
You've got them out there, sortof controlling really what kind
of research goes on.
And when you're a researchscientist or a theoretical
scientist or you're justsomebody out there who's trying
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to advance ideas in your field,the value of your books, the
value of your essays, the valueof your research and thus the
fundability of your researchreally relies on your status and
your place in a marketplace ofresearch science.
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So you know, when somebodycomes along with an idea that
kicks the crap out of whatyou've spent the last 30 years
doing and your dedication is notto the advancement of thought
and understanding, but yourdedication is to your ego and
what you've created and how muchyour books are worth and how
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much your are worth and how muchresearch money you'll get next
year.
If somebody comes along andproves you're wrong, right Then
you sit on these journals andyou won't let science advance in
any way.
That's going to hurt you.
And it's a shame that we havereached that point where
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everything's about making money,everything's about ego,
everything's about me and myplace in the marketplace, and so
I have to protect that.
And so, although we used to say, well, turn to the journals.
The scientific journals are agreat place to find meaningful
support for ideas.
To find meaningful support forideas Not necessarily anymore
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right, when somebody comes upwith a theory or an idea and
some basic data that seems tosuggest this is worth
investigating further, andsomebody else says, hey, I'm the
leader in that area.
You can't take away my spot,they'll just stifle it, and
that's why it requires oldscientists to die for science to
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move forward.
And I really put it down tothis incredible invasion in all
human spaces of the marketplaceand making money and big egos.
It just it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, but again.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I'm going to pull it right back and say that doesn't
mean you have to buy into it.
That doesn't mean that you haveto say, okay, well, the
system's corrupt, but I'm goingto believe in it anyway.
You can say no, no, no, I'mgoing to trust my experience.
I'm going to trust what's goingon.
For me, it's as trustworthy asanything else.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, I mean, if we go super quantum and think about
how we create our own realitiesor what we want in our
realities, I mean we can reallycherry pick what we experience.
I think about something like,let's say, reiki.
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Someone gets on the table andhas a Reiki session and nothing
happens, and then they don'tbelieve in it for the rest of
their lives, which they'reallowed to do which they're
allowed to do which they'reallowed to do, and then somebody
gets on the table and has anamazing experience in Reiki and
they're going to Reiki once amonth right for the rest of
their lives.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Which they're allowed to do.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Exactly, and I think it is about just creating what
you want to create in your life.
You know you're allowed to livein your own reality and as long
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as we're not out there judgingother people's realities, right,
we can live in our own realityright, we can live in our own
reality.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Well, and then you know, like that, that sort of
takes us to the, to the world ofpeople saying, well, if I can
decide what my reality is, thenmy reality is you know something
that most of us would disagreein.
Let's just let's justacknowledge that there's people
out there saying stuff publiclythat some of us would disagree
in.
Let's just acknowledge thatthere's people out there saying
stuff publicly that some of usconsider just crazy.
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And I balance the idea thatyou're allowed to think what you
want to think with the ideathat it's not your place to try
to change what other peoplethink.
Right, that's the balance.
The balance is, if you want thefreedom to think ideas that
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make sense to you based on yourexperience great.
Then at the same time, youdon't have the right to take
soapboxes and scream and yelland tell everybody that they
have to listen to you.
You can't have the freedom tothink and then take that freedom
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away from others.
It's either an inherent humanright to think and accumulate
our own experiences and to thinkand accumulate our own
experiences and research andexplore that which we're
compelled to research andexplore, and it doesn't mean you
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don't put your ideas out there.
If you want I mean, that's whatbooks are for, that's what
websites are for People can putthem out there, but don't get up
on a soapbox and start tellingother people that they're wrong
and that you're the one that'sright and the people who think
differently from you are evil,like that's where the problem
kicks in.
The problem kicks in not in thefreedom to think, but in the
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attempt of others to controlwhat others are thinking.
There's the problem.
So, you know, put stuff outthere.
If you want to put stuff outthere, share your experience.
Um, you know, share yourthoughts.
It's not your place to changeanybody's mind.
It's your, your place to putout there into the, into the
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cosmos.
You know your loving desiresand your inspired insights, but
it's not your place to try tocontrol what other people think.
And that, yeah, that's the.
That's the problem.
The problem is this problem, isthis this incredibly I don't
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know, there's a million wordsfor it.
It's sad, it's infuriating,it's hurtful.
Um, this, this thing that's inhumans to make other humans
think the way I do, do thingsthe way I do think of life, the
way I do think of life the way Ido.
If everybody would just thinklike me, the world would be fine
.
No, if everybody would justleave each other alone.
The world would be fine Ifeverybody stopped attacking each
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other, if everybody stoppedhating things they don't
understand, then the world wouldbe just fine and exploration
would continue and creativitywould continue and the people
who are curious about this orthat would explore this or that.
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It's really this sad thing thathumans have trying to control
each other.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Really, why do you think we hate things that we
don't understand?
It's fear, fear.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
It's fear we hate, what we fear that we don't
understand.
It's fear, fear.
It's fear we hate what we fear.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
And why wouldn't you?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Right, it's just sort of the natural.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
It's the repulsion that comes from the fear.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Keep it away from me.
Keep it away from me.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I don't like that and then for so many people.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
they're very comfortable in their world.
People get very comfortable intheir own thoughts.
Even when they're reallyjumbled up and contradictory and
mangled, People get reallycomfortable in their own
thoughts and they don't likethings that come in and
challenge their thoughts.
That's a very human trait Toget really comfortable with
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yourself and comfortable withthe idea that you are constantly
growing, you are constantlylearning I mean I love it, I am.
I am so in love with new things,new ideas, even stuff that I
don't agree with.
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I just love new stuff coming inthere, somewhere in there.
You know, it's stuff that'scoming to me, that's going to
advance me, that's going to growme, that's going to reveal new
things to me, and so whensomething comes along and it
says, hey, what you think isn'ttrue, what you think doesn't
work, what you think um is isinaccurate, incorrect, and then
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the automatic reaction is well,I'm afraid, if I'm wrong, then
you will hate and you will repeland you will attack and if you
find yourself attacking.
If you find yourself attacking,if you find yourself trying to
control others, that's when youshould say I'm doing something.
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That's wrong.
This is not advancing life.
Hating, controlling and beingafraid of ideas and people.
Controlling and being afraid ofideas and people that's not
promoting life and love andgrowth and advancement.
So when you have those feelingsit's okay, that's pretty normal
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.
But back up and say, wait, thisis my problem, this is the way
I'm interpreting things, this ismy fear, right, and that's when
you spend that timeunderstanding your emotions.
What am I afraid of?
What?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
is it.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
That could happen.
What would it mean about me?
Because that's the only timeemotions kick in is when we
realize that this meanssomething about me and if it
would mean something negative,it means something scary and
re-examine it.
And re-examine your view ofyourself.
And you know you're a lot morecapable.
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You're a lot stronger than youthink you are.
Everyone can hear that.
Everyone in the world couldhear that you're a lot more
capable than you think you are.
There's a lot more to you thanyou think there is and you just
need to allow it.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
There's my rant, sorry okay, I think about how we
want to go down the road oftalking about critical thinking,
making a series about that, andI got it all sitting here in
front of me.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
It's right there waiting for the day that you say
let's do it let's do it.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I think I need to research it a bit more.
Because when I I guess maybe Idon't know, I need to research
it a bit more.
Because when I I guess maybe Idon't know, I need to look at my
own mind and what I think aboutcritical thinking, and I think
I'm a critical thinker.
But when I think about lookingat everything like what we're
talking about, and fear andwhere does critical thinking
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play into that?
Because if we're just in ourown world and we have our own
stuff, our own thoughts,feelings, emotions when we look
outside of our world, iscritical thinking judgment?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
No, no Critical thinking is examining the
information you're getting andtrying to determine whether or
not it's worth consideringfurther.
So you know, you can tell I amadamantly against censorship.
(35:57):
I think for myself, whensomebody sputters gibberish, I
can spot that and I can ignorethat.
I don't need to shut them downor shut them off or close them
down or lock them up or takeaway them, cancel them.
I don't need to do that.
I don't need to shut them downor shut them off or close them
down or lock them up or takeaway them, cancel them.
I don't need to do that.
I can trust my own ability tothink.
(36:20):
Now, you know, I've got sometraining in that regard and I've
spent a lot of effort in thatregard and I encourage others to
put a little more effort intoit.
The more you're capable oftrusting your filters, your
ability to say, oh, that soundslike a load of bullshit, the
more you're able to trust that,the less you're offended or
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upset about what somebody elsesays.
Right.
And so critical thinking and Ithink you know the first
critical thinking tool everybodyshould embrace is says who Says
who.
Somebody makes some assertionand you say well, says who.
What's that based on.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Right.
Somebody says oh, this is theway the world works, oh, really,
okay.
Well, what do you base that on?
You don't have to take on theidea.
Somebody said this is the waythe world works.
I can listen, costs me nothing.
I can listen and I can ask themfill me in, give me, give me
what you're talking about, tellme why you think that, tell me
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where that comes from and I canlisten and there might be
something.
There might be a nice nugget inthere that I can grab and go
explore.
That's why I love carryingaround pen and paper with me all
the time.
Somebody will say something andI'll write it down and later
I'll get lost in a two-hourGoogle session.
But the point is is that itcosts me nothing to just nod and
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smile and say, oh, tell me why.
And in that process of havingsomebody explain to you why,
you're going to hear subtlybehind everything, all of their
fears, all of their aspirations,all of their deep buried
emotions that they can't quiterelease, you know.
And then you can say well, thisis not about me.
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So when somebody says somethingand you don't like what they
say, ask yourself well, why doesthis upset me?
What part of my world does thisreally shake up?
And maybe it doesn't shake upanything.
Maybe this is just about them,maybe this is just their words
and they're allowed to spouttheir words.
I'm not going to censor anybody.
I don't want to be censored, soI won't censor others.
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And then I just say says who?
When I hear something that Ithink is a load of hooey, I just
say says who Says who?
Where does that come from?
Who said that?
So much of what we think andbelieve we've just absorbed from
millions and millions ofsources and we've created a
model of our world in our mindand everything bounces off that.
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So it's like taking a.
You know you go out in the yardand you just pick up whatever's
lying around Grass and leavesand sticks and stones and old
bones from old things and youknow dirt and you just sort of
cobble it together intosomething and that's really a
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lot like how our mind getsconstructed.
It's just the stuff we'vebumped into along the way, yeah.
You're grinning.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I'm grinning because as you were talking, you said
something that sparked this ishow the world works.
You said and I don't know thisis I got a Saturday banter, I
guess, but just random it mademe think of the answer to the
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universe and everything 42.
Right.
And I thought, why would it be42?
And I went down the road ofthinking, okay, if someone just
randomly heard that and they'dgo 42, and then they'd go on
Google and look it up and itwould be confirmed by all the
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Googles, right.
And then I delved further intomy mind and 42 wouldn't rile
anybody up.
You can.
It's like you cannot have a biolike with that, if.
(40:36):
If somebody said the answer tothe universe and everything is
and made a statement right, Madea statement 42 has nothing to
do with our ego, right.
So it's kind of like I don'tknow if that was the author's
intention.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
It's kind of a neat way to dodge the question right,
yeah, anyway, that's why I wasgetting yeah, maybe that's the
smart thing to do, right?
the smart thing to do is justalways be aware you can grow and
learn by saying to somebodycritical thinking says who?
(41:15):
Where does that informationcome from?
What do you base that on?
Right, you have a strongopinion.
What do you base that on?
And when I've done that withpeople, I've got a few people in
my life where they, they havevery strong opinions on a lot of
things, and not me, and I'lland I'll just simply say to them
interesting, what do you basethat on?
And they just freeze like theireyes widen and they're like oh
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my god, it's like this massiverealization.
I don't know that I base thaton anything, I just feels really
good to me and I assert it andI put it out there and I say
this is the way it is.
But at the same time, sometimesit's, you know, I get a very
thoughtful answer All right,well, I've looked at this and
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I've looked at that.
And then I get little nuggetsto run away with and explore for
myself and advance my ownthinking, advance my own thought
.
But to always hear whateverybody says as statements
about them, right, even whensomebody says to me well, you're
an idiot.
You're not very scientific.
(42:25):
You're a goof Right and allthey're saying is that, based on
their information, it theiropinion that I'm a goof yeah I'm
not a goof, it's not.
It's not a a thing for them todecide.
It's not a classification thatI need to take on.
Their words are are alwaysreflective of them and their
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mind, and almost never are theytruly reflective of a true,
truthful reality.
It's it's always a perspective.
It's always from what they'vebeen able to perceive and amass
within the mucky wilderness oftheir own mind.
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We all have a mucky wildernessof their own mind.
We all have a mucky wildernessof our mind.
That's why the mind is so worthexamining and exploring and
considering.
Anyway, it's never about me, sogo ahead, share with me what you
base your opinion on, and Idon't need to censor you,
because I'm a smart person.
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I can figure things out for myown, and I trust that others
will too.
I don't need to censor youbecause I'm a smart person.
I can figure things out for myown, and I trust that others
will too.
I don't need to protect anybody.
I'm not the great savior that'sgoing to save the world from
thinking stupid things.
And if I believe that aboutmyself, I got some really
serious issues A realmisunderstanding about how the
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mind works.
A real misunderstanding abouthow the mind works.
A real misunderstanding abouthow the world works, a real
misunderstanding about wherepeace comes from, so when people
are like no.
I'm going to fix this.
I'm going to stop people fromthinking wrong things.
They're the ones I'm reallyscared of things.
(44:18):
They're the ones I'm reallyscared of.
Well, trust your own mind.
There you go.
You want a bottom line, youwant to reframe for the day.
I am smart enough, I am goodenough, I am alert enough.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I say I'm safe.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I am always safe.
I can control what goes into mymind.
No one threatens me because Ican control what goes into my
mind.
Explore what you want toexplore and if you find
something that brings you peace,if you find something that
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brings you understanding andinsight, then you embrace it and
you milk it for all it's got.
And who cares what somebodyelse thinks?
Your goal for your peace andhappiness is much more important
than anybody else's opinion onwhether or not you're doing it
right.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Alright, that was good.
Right, all right, that was good.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Well, saturday morning, this is the stuff that
yeah this is the way we spendour mornings and we turned it
into a podcast and maybe we'rebeing too structured, I don't
know.
This was Hillary's idea today,yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
It's my fault if people don't like it.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Or my.
What I was going to say was soif you thought this was good,
then you reach out to Hillaryand tell her good idea.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Hillary.
Yeah, okay, I'll see you later.
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
Okay, we're on the line.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Awww, a cloudy day.
Yep, the walls pretty circlingLooking for fish.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's a Saturday today and we are just winging it this
morning.
Sometimes our bestconversations come out of
winging it, I think.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Well, we have normal conversations, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It always ends up to something weird.
Yeah, I'm not sure if peoplewould prefer our planned
conversations or these kinds of,I think, planned for like 99%
(01:37):
and winging it for the 1%.
I was trying to think of thingsto talk about.
I was trying to think of thingsto talk about.
I think about you know, todaywe're having friends over and of
course, you know it's a goodthing that we do have friends
over because we clean the housethose times it's got wonderful
(02:13):
side effects, yeah, so what?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
were you learning yesterday about chakras?
Well, I've never really had aconscious awareness of chakras.
It's never been something thatI related to not because, I
agree or disagree or have anystrong opinion of.
I haven't historically had anysense of them at all being
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active.
But I do relate to the idea ofenergy flowing from top to
bottom, you know, and frombottom to top and there's a
connection that you know thatthe body itself can be like an
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antenna in terms of absorbingenergy.
You know it doesn't take muchto experience that, just stand
in the sunshine for a while, oryou know, I know it sounds goofy
I like sometimes in the wintergoing and standing outside in
the cold and just experiencingthat.
(03:20):
So I mean yeah.
So I mean yeah, I have everyawareness that my physical body
is a composition of energies andthat energy needs to flow.
Everything needs to flow inthis existence.
(03:44):
Everything needs to come and itneeds to go, and I'm aware of
that, but I've never really sortof sat down and said, hmm,
what's a chakra and what doesthat mean?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, I know, for me it's been like I learned about
chakras.
Where did I learn them?
I feel like I knew them beforedoing yoga training.
But is that I learned of themback in 2005, 2006?
And, yeah, I didn't.
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I didn't really understand themor think about them too much,
and it's only actually in thelast, I don't know in the last
couple of years that I'vestarted to hear about them more
and work with them more, whetherintentionally or
unintentionally, and I thinkthey're becoming more and more
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prevalent, in my practice atleast.
Yeah, there's been one thingthat came up that is sort of
right in the front of my brainright now to talk about is now
(05:13):
to talk about is this idea ofthe chakras really tethering our
soul to the body, and thismight be a little woo-woo out
there, but this idea that oursoul really clicks in, almost
clicking into each chakra downinto the body and I noticed this
with someone that I worked withthat was experiencing some
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disassociation.
When you go through that, itfeels as if you're sort of out
of the body, a little bit likeone foot out, one foot in, and I
recognized it as something thatmy NDE clients go through.
And so when the NDE clients cometo me they say, well, I died, I
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came back, I got back into thebody.
I died, I came back, I got backinto the body.
But I feel like I've got onefoot in, one foot out and I feel
like I'll just and I have notme but them popped out and had
out of body experiences and it'slike they have a hard time
controlling when they're in thebody and out of the body, body
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and out of the body.
So I noticed that same sort ofrhetoric with my clients that
have disassociation issues, andso we actually did some work on
sending the soul down andlocking into the root chakra,
whether that be a little bit ofsoul or a lot of soul, sending
that down, locking in and sortof having this yeah, like it
(06:51):
just reminds me of like a click,click, click, like seven clicks
down into the body and beingrooted in the body and feeling
into the body from the points ofthe chakras.
I don't know if that makessense or uh not, but it seemed
to help.
It seemed to help.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I tend to work with people who are experiencing more
like restrictions,constrictions, lack of flow,
lack of movement, lack of justrhythm.
(07:37):
Yeah, flow think they're morethe stuff we tend to work with
our people who aren't um feelingflow in their body.
Things get stuck, things gettrapped, they get stuck on
things um, they hang on tothings um, and to me that that's
(07:58):
the, that's the beginning ofillness.
Right, we hold things, we holdthem in a place in our body and,
yeah, negative vibration isnegative vibration.
You know like I'm reallycomfortable with the idea um,
you know that everything isenergy, that everything is
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vibration.
That's just the core of quantumphysics, right, right.
And I'm really comfortable withthe idea of, you know, the
quantum physics concept ofcollapsing, that it is the
interaction between mind andthis space of matter that
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creates, that, creates reality.
Um, that creates that, createsreality, um, and so that, if
that applies, as I look outwardinto the world, that you know
that that tree that I'm lookingat is there with all its
conditions, um, as a result ofsort of a collective thought, um
, that works the same for mybody.
(09:02):
And so, if, if I am hanging onto emotions, if I'm hanging on
to experiences, if I'm hangingon to to, uh, you know,
relationship based, uh, negativethoughts, thought patterns,
thought forms, all of this to memakes perfect sense.
(09:25):
E equals MC.
Squared Matter is just energyslowed right down, and so that,
to me, is universal.
It's not for some things, it'snot for physicists things, it's
not for, you know, physiciststrying to create a bomb.
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It's for all of us to know thatthat's how our physical person,
our physical reality comesabout.
And so I'm very, very, veryfocused on what's going on in
the mind that impacts what we'recreating, what we are pushing
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energy into form.
And what is the theme, what isthe emotion, what is the
vibrational element that goeswith that?
And so for me, it's always beenreally easy to see the
connection between thought andillness.
It's always been really easy tosee the connection between
thought and illness, and it'sbeen something that I've just
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really dove into and spent a lotof time with and feel really
comfortable with, and also knowand have experienced in myself
the times I have used my mind tocorrect illness, illness that
was embedded in me, illness thatwas just starting in me.
Yeah, I have an awareness ofthat.
(10:56):
So it's part of those thingsthat I really stress.
Working with clients is flowing, things that I really stress.
Working with clients is flowing, getting things to move through
, allowing things in but thenletting it go right back out
again.
I don't believe that anythingstays with us.
Naturally.
I believe that we hang on to it, that we become, we get ideas.
(11:20):
You know it's the way sometimesI think I live, I wake up in
the morning and I get some ideasand then I just cling to them
all day.
Some of them make me feel goodand I'm more inclined to cling
to them, or some of them make mefeel intensely negative and
that could cause me to cling tothem as I try to understand them
.
But I think in many ways it'sreally just best to see yourself
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as this giant ethereal filterwhere things are coming and
going and passing through.
And I try to remind myself andcertainly when I work with
clients I try to remind themjust let it go, let it come,
have the experience, then let itgo.
It means nothing unless you putmeaning to it, and it's when
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you put meaning to it thatyou'll stimulate those emotions
that might cause you to hang onto it.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
And we even I don't know if you were meaning to
allude to it there, but we evenpick up other people's stuff, um
, as we move throughout thisworld, um, what is that thing
called?
Where that?
So the heart beats and createsthis energetic field around us?
(12:41):
I was talking to somebodyrecently and they knew the name
of it and it's escaping me rightnow, but we have this kind of
donut shaped energetic fieldaround us just from our heart
beating and the electricitycaused by that, and I think you
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know we have a tendency to wellwell, I mean, we are electricity
moving through an electricworld, um, and if you think
about everybody having thiselectric field, um, our
interaction with, uh, people,what I'm seeing, what I'm'm
reading about, is we tend tohave an impact.
(13:27):
Even just me sitting acrossfrom you, it's like a 1.5 meter
outfield of electricity and wehave an impact on people around
us.
That's why I think whensomebody walks into a room and
you know, you can feel rightaway whether or not you like
this person or you don't likethem, or they're scary or
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something.
I think we have the ability toknow and understand things at
such a deeper level that we'renot even it's like we've grown
out of in this, you know,industrialized world, um, and
we're not as in tune with andI'll just give an out there
(14:17):
scenario.
I was working with somebodyrecently where, um, there was,
uh, I was working with thempsychically and there was
something that they had gonethrough just within the last 24
hours and they had picked up apiece of somebody's energy and
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was carrying it around, and sowe talked about cord cutting
after, you know, after work,after a hard day's work, just
making sure to cut through andrelease any energy.
That's sort of sticking aroundin your energy and you don't
even have to know that there'sanything there.
But just having the intentionto clear your own energy is
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important.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, you know, I've certainly had those kinds of
experiences, and very much.
Well, let me back up and say itthis way I think one of the
most significant things going onin our world today is that we
let too, many other peopledefine for us what we do and
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don't experience, what we areand aren't experiencing within
our own personal I hate the word, but I'll say reality.
You know, people are quick todismiss and they're quick to use
phrases.
(15:57):
Like you know, I believe inscience.
And I get frustrated by that andthat's my, my issue.
But my issue lies in the factthat we want to communicate, we
want to share, we want to useour understandings for the
benefit of not just ourselvesbut for others.
(16:17):
And when people will, um, justblanketly dismiss other people's
experiences, as you know, usingsilly phrases like unscientific
, it frustrates me because it'slike closing a door to knowledge
.
You know, you've heard me sayit a million times the only
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unscientific thing you can do isignore evidence, and that's
what so many scientific peopledo, is they ignore evidence.
People talk about theirexperiences, people talk about
phenomena and then it getsdismissed quickly.
For me, there's things that I'mreally interested in, that I'm
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really focused on, like you know, the ideas of quantum mechanics
collapsing from the field andentanglements and how we're
bound.
These concepts, I find, arereally meaningful and explain a
(17:20):
lot more of what goes on in myexperience than old science and
such I don't.
You know, as we started offtalking about chakras, I don't
dismiss chakras.
They've just not been sort of arelevant understanding to me up
to this point.
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But I wouldn't dismiss them.
I wouldn't say to people well,that's not scientific and really
what I'm driving at here morethan anything else is that my
awareness as a hypnotist is thatwe are programmed.
We are programmed with every bitof input that we've ever
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received, directly andindirectly, and all of that
input shapes our view of theworld.
And that understanding of theworld is what shapes what we
will experience, what we canexperience.
If we've decided that all ofthat is woo-woo crap, then it's
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just woo-woo crap and we willnever experience it.
Of that is woo-woo crap, thenit's just woo-woo crap and we
will never experience it.
And when we have experiencesthat are revealing in these
areas, we dismiss them and wethink of them, we explain them
in the silliest ways to be ableto dismiss them.
And what I want for everyone isto use your own judgment.
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Don't listen to me.
Don't listen to anybody.
Don't let somebody tell youwhat is or isn't true.
Experience what you experienceand then explore it.
Allow yourself to say, hmm,what would it be like if that
was true, if this idea thatsomebody's just shared with me,
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if it was actually accurate insome dip, some way, in some
dimension and some some degree?
What would that mean?
What?
What would what would myexperience become?
And so I guess I guess what I'mdriving at is that we've got 50
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, 60 years of really meaningfulquantum physics that really
explains, or tries to explain,the connection between thought
and energy and physicality, andit is offering some really great
explanations.
(19:51):
So don't be a cherry picker.
If you're like you say, I'minto science, right.
Don't be a cherry picker andsay, well, I like this science
because it makes me feel safeand comfortable and this is my
safe world, because I onlybelieve in this and this and
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this.
That's no different thananything that a scientific
person would criticize andthought.
I don't know if that's makingsense but my message is you are
completely capable of examiningand understanding and coming to
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your own conclusions, and youshould not let somebody else
define reality for you itreminds me of um.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I remember this because of the emotional
attachment I had I developed toit.
I think it was like a year ago,year and a half ago.
I don't know if you remember mekind of freaking out about this
when it happened, but I wasinto something.
Something sparked me to look upa journal, like to see if it
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had been, like to see if it hadbeen researched, and it was kind
of in a little bit in thequantum world.
I can't remember exactly whatit was now, I just remember the
emotion and what happened.
So I looked it up and there wasa journal article on it, as if
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somebody had researched it.
So I went to look at thearticle and there was a big post
right at the top of it sayingthis article is not available
anymore because basically it waspeer reviewed, which they do,
but scientists didn't like thesound of it, so they kept saying
(21:51):
no, no, this isn't it right.
So now it wasn't available toread and I was just
flabbergasted and I think that'sthe first time you said to me
science, something along thelines of science, will change
when old scientists die off kindof thing.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
That's what they say.
Science never changes until oldscientists die yeah and they,
they cling to their ideas andand to me.
You know I'm gonna go on a ranthere, but yeah it's.
You know, we.
We live in a world now and it'sworthwhile to step back from it
and look at it and ask yourselfhmm, is this really a good
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thing?
But there's very little in ourworld anymore that isn't about
profitability.
People are out there workingscience not because they're
trying to discover the nature ofour reality, but because the
theories and ideas that come outof it can be used in the
marketplace to make money.
And as a result, you know,you've got the funding for
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research coming fromcorporations who have a stake in
the outcome of that research.
I used to teach my students,you know, like people don't
realize FedEx invests inteleportation research, because
they know that the instant thathappens they're out of business.
So they don't want to be leftbehind, they want to be part of
it.
And so you've got this world.
(23:21):
And the big part of our worldis the world of mental health
and pharmaceuticals.
It's a big, big part of ourworld.
You've got them out there, sortof controlling really what kind
of research goes on.
And when you're a researchscientist or a theoretical
scientist or you're justsomebody out there who's trying
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to advance ideas in your field,the value of your books, the
value of your essays, the valueof your research and thus the
fundability of your researchreally relies on your status and
your place in a marketplace ofresearch science.
(24:06):
So you know, when somebodycomes along with an idea that
kicks the crap out of whatyou've spent the last 30 years
doing and your dedication is notto the advancement of thought
and understanding, but yourdedication is to your ego and
what you've created and how muchyour books are worth and how
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much your are worth and how muchresearch money you'll get next
year.
If somebody comes along andproves you're wrong, right Then
you sit on these journals andyou won't let science advance in
any way.
That's going to hurt you.
And it's a shame that we havereached that point where
(24:51):
everything's about making money,everything's about ego,
everything's about me and myplace in the marketplace, and so
I have to protect that.
And so, although we used to say, well, turn to the journals.
The scientific journals are agreat place to find meaningful
support for ideas.
To find meaningful support forideas Not necessarily anymore
(25:14):
right, when somebody comes upwith a theory or an idea and
some basic data that seems tosuggest this is worth
investigating further, andsomebody else says, hey, I'm the
leader in that area.
You can't take away my spot,they'll just stifle it, and
that's why it requires oldscientists to die for science to
(25:38):
move forward.
And I really put it down tothis incredible invasion in all
human spaces of the marketplaceand making money and big egos.
It just it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, but again.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I'm going to pull it right back and say that doesn't
mean you have to buy into it.
That doesn't mean that you haveto say, okay, well, the
system's corrupt, but I'm goingto believe in it anyway.
You can say no, no, no, I'mgoing to trust my experience.
I'm going to trust what's goingon.
For me, it's as trustworthy asanything else.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, I mean, if we go super quantum and think about
how we create our own realitiesor what we want in our
realities, I mean we can reallycherry pick what we experience.
I think about something like,let's say, reiki.
(26:44):
Someone gets on the table andhas a Reiki session and nothing
happens, and then they don'tbelieve in it for the rest of
their lives, which they'reallowed to do which they're
allowed to do which they'reallowed to do, and then somebody
gets on the table and has anamazing experience in Reiki and
they're going to Reiki once amonth right for the rest of
their lives.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Which they're allowed to do.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Exactly, and I think it is about just creating what
you want to create in your life.
You know you're allowed to livein your own reality and as long
(27:24):
as we're not out there judgingother people's realities, right,
we can live in our own realityright, we can live in our own
reality.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Well, and then you know, like that, that sort of
takes us to the, to the world ofpeople saying, well, if I can
decide what my reality is, thenmy reality is you know something
that most of us would disagreein.
Let's just let's justacknowledge that there's people
out there saying stuff publiclythat some of us would disagree
in.
Let's just acknowledge thatthere's people out there saying
stuff publicly that some of usconsider just crazy.
(27:57):
And I balance the idea thatyou're allowed to think what you
want to think with the ideathat it's not your place to try
to change what other peoplethink.
Right, that's the balance.
The balance is, if you want thefreedom to think ideas that
(28:21):
make sense to you based on yourexperience great.
Then at the same time, youdon't have the right to take
soapboxes and scream and yelland tell everybody that they
have to listen to you.
You can't have the freedom tothink and then take that freedom
(28:42):
away from others.
It's either an inherent humanright to think and accumulate
our own experiences and to thinkand accumulate our own
experiences and research andexplore that which we're
compelled to research andexplore, and it doesn't mean you
(29:03):
don't put your ideas out there.
If you want I mean, that's whatbooks are for, that's what
websites are for People can putthem out there, but don't get up
on a soapbox and start tellingother people that they're wrong
and that you're the one that'sright and the people who think
differently from you are evil,like that's where the problem
kicks in.
The problem kicks in not in thefreedom to think, but in the
(29:25):
attempt of others to controlwhat others are thinking.
There's the problem.
So, you know, put stuff outthere.
If you want to put stuff outthere, share your experience.
Um, you know, share yourthoughts.
It's not your place to changeanybody's mind.
It's your, your place to putout there into the, into the
(29:47):
cosmos.
You know your loving desiresand your inspired insights, but
it's not your place to try tocontrol what other people think.
And that, yeah, that's the.
That's the problem.
The problem is this problem, isthis this incredibly I don't
(30:20):
know, there's a million wordsfor it.
It's sad, it's infuriating,it's hurtful.
Um, this, this thing that's inhumans to make other humans
think the way I do, do thingsthe way I do think of life, the
way I do think of life the way Ido.
If everybody would just thinklike me, the world would be fine
.
No, if everybody would justleave each other alone.
The world would be fine Ifeverybody stopped attacking each
(30:43):
other, if everybody stoppedhating things they don't
understand, then the world wouldbe just fine and exploration
would continue and creativitywould continue and the people
who are curious about this orthat would explore this or that.
(31:05):
It's really this sad thing thathumans have trying to control
each other.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Really, why do you think we hate things that we
don't understand?
It's fear, fear.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
It's fear we hate, what we fear that we don't
understand.
It's fear, fear.
It's fear we hate what we fear.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
And why wouldn't you?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Right, it's just sort of the natural.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
It's the repulsion that comes from the fear.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Keep it away from me.
Keep it away from me.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I don't like that and then for so many people.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
they're very comfortable in their world.
People get very comfortable intheir own thoughts.
Even when they're reallyjumbled up and contradictory and
mangled, People get reallycomfortable in their own
thoughts and they don't likethings that come in and
challenge their thoughts.
That's a very human trait Toget really comfortable with
(31:53):
yourself and comfortable withthe idea that you are constantly
growing, you are constantlylearning I mean I love it, I am.
I am so in love with new things,new ideas, even stuff that I
don't agree with.
(32:14):
I just love new stuff coming inthere, somewhere in there.
You know, it's stuff that'scoming to me, that's going to
advance me, that's going to growme, that's going to reveal new
things to me, and so whensomething comes along and it
says, hey, what you think isn'ttrue, what you think doesn't
work, what you think um is isinaccurate, incorrect, and then
(32:39):
the automatic reaction is well,I'm afraid, if I'm wrong, then
you will hate and you will repeland you will attack and if you
find yourself attacking.
If you find yourself attacking,if you find yourself trying to
control others, that's when youshould say I'm doing something.
(33:02):
That's wrong.
This is not advancing life.
Hating, controlling and beingafraid of ideas and people.
Controlling and being afraid ofideas and people that's not
promoting life and love andgrowth and advancement.
So when you have those feelingsit's okay, that's pretty normal
(33:23):
.
But back up and say, wait, thisis my problem, this is the way
I'm interpreting things, this ismy fear, right, and that's when
you spend that timeunderstanding your emotions.
What am I afraid of?
What?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
is it.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
That could happen.
What would it mean about me?
Because that's the only timeemotions kick in is when we
realize that this meanssomething about me and if it
would mean something negative,it means something scary and
re-examine it.
And re-examine your view ofyourself.
And you know you're a lot morecapable.
(34:03):
You're a lot stronger than youthink you are.
Everyone can hear that.
Everyone in the world couldhear that you're a lot more
capable than you think you are.
There's a lot more to you thanyou think there is and you just
need to allow it.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
There's my rant, sorry okay, I think about how we
want to go down the road oftalking about critical thinking,
making a series about that, andI got it all sitting here in
front of me.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
It's right there waiting for the day that you say
let's do it let's do it.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I think I need to research it a bit more.
Because when I I guess maybe Idon't know, I need to research
it a bit more.
Because when I I guess maybe Idon't know, I need to look at my
own mind and what I think aboutcritical thinking, and I think
I'm a critical thinker.
But when I think about lookingat everything like what we're
talking about, and fear andwhere does critical thinking
(35:11):
play into that?
Because if we're just in ourown world and we have our own
stuff, our own thoughts,feelings, emotions when we look
outside of our world, iscritical thinking judgment?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
No, no Critical thinking is examining the
information you're getting andtrying to determine whether or
not it's worth consideringfurther.
So you know, you can tell I amadamantly against censorship.
(35:57):
I think for myself, whensomebody sputters gibberish, I
can spot that and I can ignorethat.
I don't need to shut them downor shut them off or close them
down or lock them up or takeaway them, cancel them.
I don't need to do that.
I don't need to shut them downor shut them off or close them
down or lock them up or takeaway them, cancel them.
I don't need to do that.
I can trust my own ability tothink.
(36:20):
Now, you know, I've got sometraining in that regard and I've
spent a lot of effort in thatregard and I encourage others to
put a little more effort intoit.
The more you're capable oftrusting your filters, your
ability to say, oh, that soundslike a load of bullshit, the
more you're able to trust that,the less you're offended or
(36:42):
upset about what somebody elsesays.
Right.
And so critical thinking and Ithink you know the first
critical thinking tool everybodyshould embrace is says who Says
who.
Somebody makes some assertionand you say well, says who.
What's that based on.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Right.
Somebody says oh, this is theway the world works, oh, really,
okay.
Well, what do you base that on?
You don't have to take on theidea.
Somebody said this is the waythe world works.
I can listen, costs me nothing.
I can listen and I can ask themfill me in, give me, give me
what you're talking about, tellme why you think that, tell me
(37:24):
where that comes from and I canlisten and there might be
something.
There might be a nice nugget inthere that I can grab and go
explore.
That's why I love carryingaround pen and paper with me all
the time.
Somebody will say something andI'll write it down and later
I'll get lost in a two-hourGoogle session.
But the point is is that itcosts me nothing to just nod and
(37:47):
smile and say, oh, tell me why.
And in that process of havingsomebody explain to you why,
you're going to hear subtlybehind everything, all of their
fears, all of their aspirations,all of their deep buried
emotions that they can't quiterelease, you know.
And then you can say well, thisis not about me.
(38:09):
So when somebody says somethingand you don't like what they
say, ask yourself well, why doesthis upset me?
What part of my world does thisreally shake up?
And maybe it doesn't shake upanything.
Maybe this is just about them,maybe this is just their words
and they're allowed to spouttheir words.
I'm not going to censor anybody.
I don't want to be censored, soI won't censor others.
(38:33):
And then I just say says who?
When I hear something that Ithink is a load of hooey, I just
say says who Says who?
Where does that come from?
Who said that?
So much of what we think andbelieve we've just absorbed from
millions and millions ofsources and we've created a
model of our world in our mindand everything bounces off that.
(38:57):
So it's like taking a.
You know you go out in the yardand you just pick up whatever's
lying around Grass and leavesand sticks and stones and old
bones from old things and youknow dirt and you just sort of
cobble it together intosomething and that's really a
(39:17):
lot like how our mind getsconstructed.
It's just the stuff we'vebumped into along the way, yeah.
You're grinning.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I'm grinning because as you were talking, you said
something that sparked this ishow the world works.
You said and I don't know thisis I got a Saturday banter, I
guess, but just random it mademe think of the answer to the
(39:51):
universe and everything 42.
Right.
And I thought, why would it be42?
And I went down the road ofthinking, okay, if someone just
randomly heard that and they'dgo 42, and then they'd go on
Google and look it up and itwould be confirmed by all the
(40:12):
Googles, right.
And then I delved further intomy mind and 42 wouldn't rile
anybody up.
You can.
It's like you cannot have a biolike with that, if.
(40:36):
If somebody said the answer tothe universe and everything is
and made a statement right, Madea statement 42 has nothing to
do with our ego, right.
So it's kind of like I don'tknow if that was the author's
intention.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
It's kind of a neat way to dodge the question right,
yeah, anyway, that's why I wasgetting yeah, maybe that's the
smart thing to do, right?
the smart thing to do is justalways be aware you can grow and
learn by saying to somebodycritical thinking says who?
(41:15):
Where does that informationcome from?
What do you base that on?
Right, you have a strongopinion.
What do you base that on?
And when I've done that withpeople, I've got a few people in
my life where they, they havevery strong opinions on a lot of
things, and not me, and I'lland I'll just simply say to them
interesting, what do you basethat on?
And they just freeze like theireyes widen and they're like oh
(41:39):
my god, it's like this massiverealization.
I don't know that I base thaton anything, I just feels really
good to me and I assert it andI put it out there and I say
this is the way it is.
But at the same time, sometimesit's, you know, I get a very
thoughtful answer All right,well, I've looked at this and
(42:04):
I've looked at that.
And then I get little nuggetsto run away with and explore for
myself and advance my ownthinking, advance my own thought
.
But to always hear whateverybody says as statements
about them, right, even whensomebody says to me well, you're
an idiot.
You're not very scientific.
(42:25):
You're a goof Right and allthey're saying is that, based on
their information, it theiropinion that I'm a goof yeah I'm
not a goof, it's not.
It's not a a thing for them todecide.
It's not a classification thatI need to take on.
Their words are are alwaysreflective of them and their
(42:48):
mind, and almost never are theytruly reflective of a true,
truthful reality.
It's it's always a perspective.
It's always from what they'vebeen able to perceive and amass
within the mucky wilderness oftheir own mind.
(43:10):
We all have a mucky wildernessof their own mind.
We all have a mucky wildernessof our mind.
That's why the mind is so worthexamining and exploring and
considering.
Anyway, it's never about me, sogo ahead, share with me what you
base your opinion on, and Idon't need to censor you,
because I'm a smart person.
(43:30):
I can figure things out for myown, and I trust that others
will too.
I don't need to censor youbecause I'm a smart person.
I can figure things out for myown, and I trust that others
will too.
I don't need to protect anybody.
I'm not the great savior that'sgoing to save the world from
thinking stupid things.
And if I believe that aboutmyself, I got some really
serious issues A realmisunderstanding about how the
(43:53):
mind works.
A real misunderstanding abouthow the mind works.
A real misunderstanding abouthow the world works, a real
misunderstanding about wherepeace comes from, so when people
are like no.
I'm going to fix this.
I'm going to stop people fromthinking wrong things.
They're the ones I'm reallyscared of things.
(44:18):
They're the ones I'm reallyscared of.
Well, trust your own mind.
There you go.
You want a bottom line, youwant to reframe for the day.
I am smart enough, I am goodenough, I am alert enough.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I say I'm safe.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I am always safe.
I can control what goes into mymind.
No one threatens me because Ican control what goes into my
mind.
Explore what you want toexplore and if you find
something that brings you peace,if you find something that
(44:51):
brings you understanding andinsight, then you embrace it and
you milk it for all it's got.
And who cares what somebodyelse thinks?
Your goal for your peace andhappiness is much more important
than anybody else's opinion onwhether or not you're doing it
right.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Alright, that was good.
Right, all right, that was good.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Well, saturday morning, this is the stuff that
yeah this is the way we spendour mornings and we turned it
into a podcast and maybe we'rebeing too structured, I don't
know.
This was Hillary's idea today,yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
It's my fault if people don't like it.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Or my.
What I was going to say was soif you thought this was good,
then you reach out to Hillaryand tell her good idea.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Hillary.
Yeah, okay, I'll see you later.
We hope you enjoyed today'spodcast and that maybe it helped
even a little.
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