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transferred it to that.
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We missed the weather yesterday,just so you know.
We were muddled.
Muddled muddled about the stuff.
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There's no time, no
time for weather because we were
trying to find a topic.
Well, I can just say that itseems like 715 is darker every
morning.
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It's like it's
science or something.
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Yeah, like the world
is like in some strange position
in space.
Yeah, and you know what?
A couple hundred years ago, ifyou'd said that, you'd have been
burned at the stake.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:52):
What a great lean-in
to today's topic.
SPEAKER_02 (00:55):
The world is always
changing.
And today you might get burnedat the stake if you talk, go
around to parties and talk aboutpast life regression.
SPEAKER_00 (01:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
Or uh you might end
up being the most popular person
there.
It just depends on the kind ofparty you're at.
SPEAKER_00 (01:07):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So yesterday we dove into, wethought we were going to talk
about past life regression, butwe actually sort of set the
stage for past life regressionby talking about regular life
regression.
SPEAKER_02 (01:22):
Good old-fashioned
regression.
SPEAKER_00 (01:23):
This life
regression.
Which I think I I guess, youknow, it it turned out just as
it needed to turn out.
Is maybe needed to understandpast life regression a lot.
SPEAKER_02 (01:37):
Yeah, I think that
there's a lot.
You know, as a hypnotist, wetalk about, you know,
suggestion, regression,resolution, reframing,
reprogramming.
These are all words that mean alot to us for someone who
doesn't have the training or theexperience, you know, these
concepts that we use one word toexplain an awful lot.
They need to be broken down.
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And I I didn't feel comfortabletalking about past life
regression until we reallyunderstood sort of the nature of
regression and what itstherapeutic use is about and how
it fits into this big model thatI use of you know, event,
interpretation, meaning,emotion, and experience.
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And that that when you start tosee the mind that way, all
models are wrong.
I'll repeat that again and againand again.
All models are wrong, some areuseful.
That's George Ball, thestatistician.
So we use a model of the mind inhypnosis that, you know, uh
certainly there are those thattake issue with it as inadequate
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or somehow incomplete or somehownot materialist enough.
The point is that all models arewrong.
Even the ones that people aretrying to get very, very
precisely correct, they too arejust based on evidence and data.
And and so I think it's good tobe flexible in your thinking.
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And it's flexible, certainly, inyour approach to the mind.
And so this model of the mindthat we use, we have found to be
hugely therapeutic.
Like it works.
It helps people sort thingsthrough.
It gives a framework to considerwhat's going on there.
(03:24):
Like I said, sometimes I feellike I have clients, and my job
is just to teach them that theyhave a mind and that that mind
is got its own abilities andshortcomings.
SPEAKER_00 (03:36):
Yeah, I think we
generally get to the point where
we think of ourselves as oneoperating being and to sort of
segment it out into body, mind,soul, brain, you know, all the
all the little parts of us thathave it have their own jobs.
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And then we mind I sort ofassociate with soul as well.
SPEAKER_02 (03:59):
But well, you know,
we've we've talked about that
and we'll talk about it more.
Just how you know mind is thegateway to soul, right?
And to me, it becomes less aboutspirit, it's about sort of
dividing things into that whichis seen and that which is
unseen, and then trying tofigure out the relationship
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between forces that we canphysically experience and forces
that we're sometimes not awareof and aren't able to adequately
describe, you know, and that'syou know what gives me a lot of
comfort is that advancedscientists are moving in that
direction.
And we and, you know, you neverI use the phrase the most
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unscientific thing you can do isignore evidence.
And and so I think that when youhave all this evidence of
experience of people, you can'tignore it.
And you know, when we work inour our world of hypnosis, we go
out of our way to incorporatescience whenever we can.
(05:04):
Neurobiologists are areuncovering wonderful things
about how the body, brain, mindcomplex operates.
And this is really useful stufffor us.
A lot of the stuff we've talkedabout in the podcast comes from
that world.
But now we're in a world, youknow, it's Wednesday, we're
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having some woo-woo.
Um, it's we're talking about aworld that is spirit, spirit in
the broadest sense ofnon-physical, spirit in the
broadest sense of your nature.
You know, this is yeah, I getlots of clients who are
resistant to this at first tillthey go into hypnosis and they
pop into a past life and theygo, holy crap, wait, wait.
(05:50):
No, no, no, wait, wait.
I don't wait.
Just like this is overwhelmingbecause so many other
fundamental beliefs that theywalked into the room with, it's
not just, oh my God, maybe I waswrong, it's that there is so
much more to me than I everimagined.
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There is so much more to myexistence than I thought
possible.
And the gateway of my mind intomy higher mind, into my higher
self, into aspects of this worldthat a lot of people, you know,
today's very popular to talkabout manifestation.
(06:32):
I don't know how you talk aboutmanifestation without talking
about quantum physics.
I don't know how you talk aboutthis world without talking about
the field.
There are so many clearextensions that when you begin
to address your mind and youbecome aware of its depth, you
can't but become aware of itsconnection to the higher mind
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and all mind and you know theway it creates the world we are
in, not just throughinterpretation, but through
anticipation and intention.
So for me, I have a hard timeseparating the mind from the
concept of spirituality, but Ihave a hard time separating the
mind from the concept ofphysical reality.
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And so to me, it's the conduitthat runs through all of it.
And now when I think about themind, I'm not thinking about
something abstract.
When I think about spirituality,I'm not thinking about something
abstract.
I'm seeing it all as very, veryintegrated.
And I see that not only from myown experience, but I see it
from the experience of myclients.
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So long way to say, you know,mind is spirit, spirit is mind.
Physical reality flows frommind.
SPEAKER_01 (07:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (07:49):
And then I say
things like it's all about mind,
and people look at me funny atparties.
SPEAKER_00 (07:55):
Did you say it last
night?
SPEAKER_02 (07:56):
Yeah, probably.
SPEAKER_00 (07:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:01):
So yeah, sorry for
the babble.
So we understand regression as atherapeutic model, right?
It's a therapeutic methodologyto access the aspects of the
mind that are problematic, youknow, in whatever way is unique
to that client, it flows fromthe way they've interpreted
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their experience in the past.
SPEAKER_01 (08:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:24):
And that creates
beliefs.
And those are they those tend tobe the structures that our job
is focused on, changing beliefs.
So when you take somebody in thechair who's having a particular
problem and you regress on it,and then they go, Wait, I'm a
man.
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Or wait, I'm I'm in the in thewild, wild west.
SPEAKER_00 (08:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:51):
Talk about that.
SPEAKER_00 (08:55):
Well, yeah.
So sometimes they they perceiveit as a past life, but it
sometimes they don't, right?
Sometimes they're somewhere,they go somewhere and they're
thinking, what's going on here?
Like, and it's it's at thatmoment where I have to kick in
(09:16):
and start to do past life, likeasking them about past life
stuff without them knowing I'masking about past life stuff.
Because sometimes you havesomeone, and maybe you don't
know if they're even into pastlives.
If they even I had I had someonea few weeks ago that popped into
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a past life, and we just treatedit like it was this life, but it
wasn't.
And I didn't even say the wordpast life.
And I was expecting them to comeback and ask about it, but they
didn't.
They just went along with it.
I think it's all therapeutic,like you said, right?
Wherever you go, whether it'sthis life or a past life,
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there's um there's a therapeuticnature to it if you treat it in
a therapeutic sense.
So number one, if they if theygo back and and they know
they're like, oh, this is a pastlife, yay.
I was hoping to go, which doeshappen.
(10:21):
Then we we kick into past lifemode, right?
We I ask things like what'saround you, what's on your feet,
what's what's going on.
I do you feel like a man or awoman or other?
Do you uh what are you doingthere?
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You know, what's going on?
Do you feel old?
Do you feel young?
Do you feel middle-aged?
Do you feel healthy?
Do you feel sick?
All the stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (10:51):
Um that process of
questioning.
So they get there because youask them to go back to where the
problem began.
SPEAKER_01 (10:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (10:58):
And then bam,
they're in some, you know, whole
new reality.
Um, and then you flesh it out,and asking them all these
questions really locks them intoit, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_00 (11:10):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You want them to anchor into it,right?
Depending.
You yeah, you want them toanchor into it.
If they're brand new to it, youdon't anchor as fast.
Right?
You don't go, all right, you'rethere.
Like, let's flesh this out.
Go to a past, you know.
But yeah, you ask the questionsin order to have their mind
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bring, bring them what'sactually going on there.
And uh you can drop into a daythat is pretty benign.
I was telling Les before westarted the podcast, for my past
life when I've gone to pastlives, I never seem to drop into
just a random day in the lifethat meant a lot.
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I always end up on the last dayof my life for all the past
lives.
Well, not all the past lives.
I haven't had that many,surprisingly, but like that many
regressions.
But yeah, you you go to a randomday, you go to the last day,
sometimes it's benign, sometimesyou drop in and you're like in
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the middle of a war.
And so you have to deal withthat, right?
Yeah, I'm gonna get ahead ofmyself.
So bring bring me back.
Sometimes it can be veryemotional, and you have to go
through that with the client.
If you pop into something thatlike a war, you want to have
them up out of the body lookingdown to witness it, right?
(12:35):
Instead of being part of it.
Yeah.
I mean, there's so many, so manydifferent music.
SPEAKER_02 (12:41):
Well, they can pop
into just about anything.
SPEAKER_00 (12:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (12:43):
But the point is, is
that you're there working on
them for uh working with them,working on their particular
belief or inhibition or orinability to do what they want
to do, or and you're working onthat, and it's emotional because
well, they wouldn't be here ifthey weren't upset about the
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fact that they're not gettingwhat they want.
They're not being who they wantto be, they're not having what
they want to have.
And then they go back into thismassive change of context.
SPEAKER_00 (13:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (13:18):
Right?
It's like it's not just, it'snot just that they're, oh, this
is a different life, right?
It the the it's everything aboutthat life.
It can be their gender, it canbe their station in life, it can
be uh into a very problematiccircumstance because it's not a
good emotion you're trackingbackwards.
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So they're going back into thatemotion, and so you're tracking
probably into a differentdifficult situation.
It's not surprising that it'soften life-threatening.
SPEAKER_01 (13:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (13:50):
Um, and so this is
and and so they almost, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna say thisbecause it was my experience
being regressed, and it's beenmy experience regressing people.
It is such a dramaticallydifferent mind they find
themselves in.
Right.
This is a mind that isn't theone that they live in every day.
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This is a new kind of mind.
And so there's lots ofawareness.
The extent to which they goright into it and begin to
relive it can create, yeah, cancreate reactions you're gonna
have to respond to.
And as a hypnotist, you've gotto keep things at a level where
you can work on on what's goingon, reconsider it, rethink it,
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reinterpret it.
And it can be, you know, it'ssomething to manage because when
it's done that therapeutic way,it can be as big a surprise to
the hypnotist as anybody.
The hypnotist can go, oh, okay,wait a second.
And now a whole new set ofconsiderations kicks in, right?
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Because now, if we've been usingtimeline methodology or we've
been using an emotional affectbridge, you know, we're not
within the context of the lifethat we know the client in.
We're now outside that contextin another life.
And so the methodologies ofregression in terms of the
techniques we're going to use toresolve these things, yeah, they
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they have to expand and theyhave to be more considerate and
they have to be a bit slower.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:27):
Yeah.
I was just thinking about whensomeone pops into a past life
where they don't I I don't knowif they're into past lives.
They uh I don't uh we've neverspoken about it before.
I won't ask the questions like,are you male or female or other
are you, you know, those kind ofquestions.
(15:49):
What I'll do is gently say,Okay, project your consciousness
outside of the body and lookback at yourself.
Is that you?
Yes, no, no.
Okay.
Mind goes back in the body.
What's going on there?
I don't go, oh my god, you're ina past life, right?
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I don't call it out.
I treat it like nothing hashappened, right?
Nothing weird or wonderful hashappened.
So that doesn't jog theconscious mind to go, wait a
minute, and stop the process orwhatever, you know.
And there's always a reason.
(16:30):
I just put that directly into mymind.
I'm like, okay, there's a reasonthey're here, there's a reason
they're going through this, andthat's my objective, right?
Is to find out that reason withthem for them so that they can
feel better.
SPEAKER_02 (16:45):
Yeah, it's just the
same basic reason as if they
were to regress to some day inthis life, yeah, that they're
living.
It's about helping them resolvean unresolved emotion.
SPEAKER_00 (16:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (16:57):
Which is obviously
intense.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (17:00):
It implies, I think,
that in our deepest mind,
although we we tend to forget,in our deepest mind, there's an
awareness of our nature and thethis idea that we have multiple
physical life experiences.
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And sometimes those physicallife experiences are not just in
different times.
Sometimes they're in differentdimensions, sometimes they're in
different planets.
Yeah.
And that that that requires thehypnotist to be really patient
and not.
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I think it's important torealize that the question the
hypnotist asks are going to bebased on their understanding.
And they're still going to betherapeutically targeted, but
it's based on theirunderstanding of physical
reality and and life.
And so when a client ends up ona in a situation where they're
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in, I don't know any other wayto say it at this point, an
alien being's body, right?
They find themselves in a in anenvironment that doesn't match
earthly conditions.
And they find themselves withskills and abilities that they
don't have.
You know, how do you deal withthat?
SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
Not much different
than a past life on earth.
It is a little bit of moregetting used to.
I haven't found that people dropin are are fearful.
You would imagine that theywould be, because they're now
maybe looking at their hands andseeing, you know, three long
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fingers, you know.
But uh yeah, and a differentbody and head and everything.
I haven't found them to bescared of it.
I've seen them go, oh my gosh,oh my gosh, like, wow, wow, this
is so weird, you know, that kindof stuff.
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Even with the as the governmentis calling them now, NHIs and
non-human intelligence, evenwhen they drop into alien bodies
that have been stereotyped inour culture as as scary, like
grays, they're quite they'refascinated with it.
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And there's a there's a deeperknowledge that comes about about
what the grays are actually upto, you know, and that they're
not the scary they're they'reactually quite functional, you
know, and they may have adifferent vibration to us that
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our bodies have a have adifficult time acclimatizing to
if one.
Is in the room, right?
But they're not, you know, outto get you or anything like
that.
Not not from my not from what'shappened in past life
regressions.
Some regressions have takenpeople to planets of complete
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water, where they're I'm gonnasay the word mermaid, but not in
the you know, little mermaidDisney sense.
These are these are mermaidsthat have very long, like
spindly tails, their noses arevery long.
They're they're beautiful, butlike in wow, that's a creature,
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right?
That's an interesting-lookingcreature, very community-based.
Some people have gone to forestswhere the trees are very, very
high, and there's uh giants.
You're a giant that can fly, andyou use the treetops to get
around.
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There's been alien lives wherethey go to ships where,
interestingly enough, they aredeciding to have a earth life,
and they're sort of puttingtheir alien life on hold to go
have the earth life to help theplanet, as we hear a lot
nowadays, raising the vibrationof the planet, and then go back
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to their life as an alien.
So so many, so many differentkinds of I mean, it's endless.
SPEAKER_02 (21:32):
It's hard as a
hypnotist.
For me, it's hard to control myown curiosity, right?
When when somebody's in one ofthese experiences, you know, I
always ask permission.
I always ask permission, can Iask some questions out of my
interest, please?
And then I get told yes or no.
Usually I get told yes, but Ihave been told no once.
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And and then I minded my ownbusiness.
But the the point is that thisis very this is very expansive
as a hypnotist.
And you've been very intentionalabout this.
I mean, you've basically had thedesire to have clients like
that.
SPEAKER_00 (22:10):
To go to other
planets?
SPEAKER_02 (22:12):
Yeah, to go to other
planets, to have clients that
have lives that are that arenon-human life oriented, to take
clients into regressions thatthey discover these things.
This is something that you havea particular interest in and
therefore a tendency to be opento, and you make it clear to
people that you want to do that,and that draws people to you
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that want that.
SPEAKER_00 (22:36):
Yeah, well, most of
the interviews, if you look my
name up on YouTube, you'll seesome crazy stuff.
But most all of the interviewsthat I do are about the the
interviewee, your interviewerwants their people to hear about
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the interesting lives likenon-human intelligence.
And so I end up speaking a loton it, and so that's why people
reach out specifically for it.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (23:11):
Yeah, I mean, uh
doing past life, doing
regression that results in apast life, um, the the contexts
can be very diverse.
They can also be very simple,but they can be really, really
diverse with a lot ofconditions.
And yeah, as a hypnotist, you'vegotta you've gotta come at it,
you've gotta essentiallyinstantaneously shift gears into
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a broader perspective.
SPEAKER_01 (23:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (23:38):
The more you do it,
the broader your perspective
becomes.
There's some basic things wealways do when we go to past
lives.
First of all, we have themunderstand it, but they've gone
back to a critical moment.
So one of the techniques I use alot is just we're gonna go back
five minutes.
You've now come into this momentwhere you have an emotional
bridge to this moment, but let'sgo back five minutes now, before
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that emotion arose, so that youcan have a clearer picture.
And then there's there's youknow, little techniques, you
know.
If you're exactly sometimes ifyou say, What's your name?
They're not able to answer that.
But you know, you do littlesimple things like there's
somebody across the way callingto you.
What's what's the name they'reusing?
Right.
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And then who's that person?
Do you have any connection tothem in this life?
And that's that's very common,right?
For them to say, Oh, that'sBill.
But it's not Bill, it's it'sit's Mary.
Yeah, and this time Bill's mysister.
And and it really creates youyou want them to settle into it
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so that they can experience thethe the moment of learning and
changing so they can experiencewith an understanding of why it
might have mattered so much inthat lifetime, that it doesn't
might not matter so much in thislifetime.
SPEAKER_00 (25:03):
Yeah.
And if you think of I'm alwaysthinking about what, you know,
people listening to us, maybetheir questions.
So if you're wondering, well,how do I know it's Bill?
Or how do I know it's Mary?
You think about people in yourlife, they have an energy,
right?
You can if you just think ofthem, if they were maybe
standing next to you, you wouldfeel that you would just know
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inherently somewhere in yourbody, mind, spirit.
And so when you go into a pastlife, wherever you go, I'll say,
do you recognize that energyfrom that that person's energy
from the life you're living nowas so-and-so?
And sometimes it's no, sometimesit's yes.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (25:46):
This sort of leads
us to sort of karmic things that
I think is important toacknowledge.
You know, you can be very, veryclose to somebody in this life,
and then go to a past life.
And this this is can be why it'sproblematic.
Go to a past life, and thatperson was antagonistic to you.
So that person, that energy,that that that soul, they might
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have played a role for you thatwas antagonistic.
And then in this life, they'replaying a role for you that is
really quite loving andsupportive.
And that can cause issuesbecause that's when you're in
this life and you've got allthis loving support from
somebody that your past life issuggesting you shouldn't trust.
And it's causing sort ofinterference or difficulty.
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And this is why I think, youknow, thinking about karma for a
second is is really worth it.
When you think about past lifeand you think about
reincarnation, you know, there'sthis concept of karma, and some
people see karma as veryjudgmental.
And what I've learned fromclients, and I've learned from
my own past life experiences, isthat karma is completely and
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totally about awareness andunderstanding.
It's about understanding theramifications of your actions in
all dimensions, all possibledimensions.
And so it's it's not about,well, you know, uh, I think when
you approach it this way and youspeak of it this way with your
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clients, and I've had to, I canremember two occasions where I
had to quite literally have aclient in the chair in a past
life crying and explain a littlebit about karma so that they can
get comfortable with the ideabecause it can create a lot of
confusion, right?
When you're thinking as a as adi uh as a today person suddenly
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being exposed without warningabout a past life and
experiencing that this personthat you love in this life is
doing something awful.
SPEAKER_00 (27:50):
Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (27:51):
And you're like, oh,
it it's important to sort of put
a context on that and say thatthis is, you know, this is one
of a thousand lives you're gonnalive.
Karma means you're fulfillingthe experience.
And so the way I simplify it,because this is the way it was
shown to me, is that if you'rethe actor, the person who did
the thing, you're gonna have tobe basically three more types of
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roles multiple times till youlearn the lesson.
If I'm the one who did it, thensometime I'm gonna have to be
the one that has it done done tothem.
I'm gonna have to live lives toexperience from the, I'm gonna
use the word, I don't like theword, but from the victim point
of view.
Then I've also got to learn theexperience from the person who
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loves the perpetrator, right?
Imagine that you're the motherof a murderer, right?
Like, what's that about?
You love this person and they'vedone something horrendous.
And you have to be someone whoexperienced, who loves the
victim.
You know, you're the mother ofthe murdered victim, whatever.
Now you've got to experience itfrom watching, loving the person
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who's going through that.
And then there's all thevariations of that, but those
are the four big perspectives.
It's that I I did it, I had itdone to me, I love the person
who did it, and how does thatfeel?
And I love the person who had itdone to them, and how does that
feel?
And these are four verydifferent perspectives that the
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the general rules of acquiringthe knowledge and experience are
going to require that you takeon, that you go through in
lifetimes of those differentperspectives.
And one of the other things Ilike to point out is that, you
know, when you do past liferegression that will lead us to
talking more about life betweenlives, you have to acknowledge
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that you tend to be associatedwith the same group of souls,
and you're going to come intothese lives.
You know, it's like having areally great cast on Saturday
Night Live, and they playdifferent characters every week,
and they play different things,and it's it's kind of like that.
You are you're part of a group,a cast who play different roles
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for each other through differentlifetime experiences.
And so that that makes it easierto understand why, you know,
Bill is now Mary and has been,you know, Steve and Joanne in so
many different lives in myexperience.
And sometimes, you know, we'remarried, and sometimes we're
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siblings, and sometimes we'reparents to each other, you know,
these kinds of things.
We play different kinds ofroles, helping each other flesh
out.
And so, yeah, it just brings meto the idea that all of these
lives are compiling for you as asoul a set of experience, a set
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of knowledge, a set of insights,a set of understandings.
And when you end up in a pastlife, it's generally because
something didn't get resolvedthere.
SPEAKER_00 (31:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (31:04):
And it's interfering
with what you're here to do,
what you're in this life toexperience, to accomplish, to go
through.
And that's why your subconsciousmind will send you back there.
That's why when we're trying tohave therapy, so in the end,
what's important is althoughit's very fascinating, all these
ideas for past lives, all thesedifferent things you must have
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already done.
And it's it's incrediblyengaging, you gotta remember
that all of it is being pursuedand experienced to help you in
this life.
SPEAKER_00 (31:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (31:38):
It's meant to help
you here and now.
SPEAKER_00 (31:41):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I I have a lot of people,well, almost almost everyone who
reaches out to me about having apast life or life between at
some point or other before therepression, they ask, you know,
what if I'm just making thisout?
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Like, what if is it real?
I don't know.
Like and and I explain to themhow well, number one, like we'll
never we'll we won't know untilwe know, right?
In the end.
Well, the end I use loosely, butyou know what I mean.
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We we won't know exactly, but nomatter what, it's therapeutic,
right?
And I explain to them, you know,think of dreams at night.
It's your subconscious mindresolving things.
Whatever comes to you in this inthis regression is about
resolving something, and it itseems to work, right?
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It's like it's not a cure, butit's it's along the journey of
of doing what you're wanting todo.
And then I tell them about howpeople tend to want to go
somewhere, and then they end upsomewhere totally different,
right?
So just to give an easy example,it's what it's one of my
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favorite examples.
It's very simple, but ithappened years ago.
This person came to me and said,I want to be, or no, not I want
to be.
I think I was like in theVictorian age.
I just love the poofy dressesand all this stuff.
And I I was nodding and saying,Yeah, okay, okay, we'll see
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where we go.
And she ended up being a farmingman, you know, very different.
So if it was them making it up,we probably would have gone to
the poofy dresses in theVictorian age, right?
And so they were, they werelike, what the heck when they
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got there.
Fascinating.
But out of the billions,infinite experiences that you
could have, why would you makethat up?
You know?
And so that they understand thatand and they try it out.
SPEAKER_02 (34:04):
And it's often, you
know, if you're using your
imagination, it it's oftencomplicated and has some
negative aspects to it.
And you it they tend to be thethings we're most aware of, the
negative aspects of our lives.
So when they go back to a priorlife and they're experiencing
some negative things, you know,like why would you make that up?
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Right?
Um, for me, when I when ithappened to me when 20 odd years
ago when I was having my set ofsix hypnosis, first hypnosis
experiences, I I went back threetimes in those sessions to three
different prior lives.
And, you know, love goes up toPeggy, she was my hypnotist, she
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was also my teacher, and sheguided me through those.
What I'd say to people when, youknow, when close friends would
say, Wow, what happened?
I'd say, if you try to imagine,you know, pink puffy clouds in
the sky, right?
Then your mind goes one place.
And when you try to rememberwhat the weather was yesterday,
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your mind goes to a differentplace.
You can be aware that yourimagination is in a different
part of your mind.
And when I had thoseexperiences, it felt like I was
remembering something that I hadforgotten.
That's the way it felt to me.
And that's the way I try todescribe it.
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And, you know, since often ithappens with an emotional
bridge, right?
That that affect bridge thattakes you back to the first time
you had that emotion.
That emotion is very dominantwhen you get there.
And that that probably negativeemotion is what's locking you
into that past event.
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And that past event, those kindsof emotions are felt head to
toe, right?
And so, you know, you you'llhave a sense when you have this
experience, you'll have a senseof a very strong emotion, and
you'll have a sense that this issomething that you've long
forgotten coming back to you.
SPEAKER_01 (36:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (36:20):
And yeah, that's the
way it was said to me.
If you were gonna make somethingup, why that?
SPEAKER_00 (36:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (36:27):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (36:27):
Yeah, we've got a
good question in the chat, which
I'm such a big proponent of.
Like when we regress andremember a different life, will
we keep these memories andremember the lessons?
So I'm gonna speak about what Ido as a hypnotist.
I know that a lot of my clientshave gone through regressions
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where this didn't happen, butI'm just gonna speak from my
point of view.
It's very important.
And yes, uh, yes, you you youkeep the memories.
I mean, when I was thinking thismorning about my past life
regressions, they're certainlynot as like uh in my mind as
they were the day after.
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They're sort of faded, and Ihave to really try to remember.
But anyway, as the hypnotist,you want to make sure that the
lessons are understood.
There's always, always wisdom tothe situation.
They're they are back there fora reason, and the lesson is is
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very important as the takeaway.
And it's incredibly important toclose off the life so it doesn't
come dragging into this lifethat you're living now.
It's very important that asyou're wrapping up the session
or you know, as you're goingthrough the session, really, you
are learn that that you'rehelping the client learn the
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lesson, understand what they'remeant, uh what they're there
for.
And if it's something like shameor guilt or something that could
influence the life that they'reliving now, it's really extra
important to make sure that theyunderstand it from the soul
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perspective, which we will talkmaybe tomorrow.
We'll talk about the lifebetween lives and how that how
that works.
So closing off the life is goingthrough the life, understanding
little lessons, you know, amixture of lessons and awe, and
then finding yourself with theclient at the end of that
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person's life, gentlytransitioning right into the
afterlife, and really lookingback on the life, understanding
the parallels between that lifeand the life they're living now.
Lessons again, forgiveness isbig.
Knowing that we've all been thegood butt guy, the bad guy, you
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know, the neutral person.
We've all, if past lives arewhat we imagine them to be, or
what we think them to be, we'vebeen everybody, right?
The good, bad, and the ugly.
So to know that and to forgiveyourself for that and to know
that it is a soul's journey,this is really important, really
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important, because we do notwant someone to go through a
past life and not have it clos,you know, not have it closed off
properly, not learn the lessonsor understand what was going on
there and drag those emotionsinto the life they're living
now.
SPEAKER_02 (39:41):
Yeah, well said.
There's only two things I'd add.
The first thing that I'd add isthat I tend when I do this kind
of stuff, when I do regression,I tend to use the higher self as
the companion as we go back.
And the good news about usingthe higher self is that the
higher self has a Understandingof all these lifetimes and is
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quick to answer questions like,What is the lesson to be learned
here?
You know, how should they dealwith this?
And almost always, you know, thelesson is your innocence and
that you can forgive this andthat you can release this, and
that, you know, it was just anexperience for your growth, and
not every experience is going tobe, you know, fun.
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So that's the first thing I'dadd.
I guess the second thing I'd addis that from my own experience,
and I prepare my clients afterthe session when they've had
something like this, I say it'sokay to allow yourself to have
more awareness of this past lifecome back into your mind.
It's kind of nice.
It'll help you understand thecontext better, help you
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understand what you went throughbetter.
And it just happens.
It just happens.
You know, you go through thepast life regression, and you
know, you're guided by ahypnotist, and you remember
certain things, and thingsbecome clearer.
And then later, when you pauseand think about it, you find the
energies and the and uh itbecomes a more detailed
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awareness of what that life was,uh a greater understanding.
And that's kind of fun, that'skind of neat.
And I think that's really goodto remind you of the context
that you're in now.
That what happened in a pastlife is you know, that's what
you're doing now.
You're living another life toamass knowledge and it puts a
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perspective on things, gives youan awareness that you are more
than this body, you are morethan this personality that
you've created right now.
And so I think there's nothingwrong with that stuff coming to
you.
No, it's kind of fun, it kind offleshes out the experience of
the past life in a more holisticway, and then bring yourself
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back to that.
Well, all of that was to help medo better in this life.
SPEAKER_00 (41:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I guess uh yeah, I getemotional about it, uh, as you
can maybe tell in my voice whileI was talking about it.
I guess I've just seen so manyclients that have had bad
experiences with anotherhypnotist and have carried it
forward.
So I'm really I don't know whatthe word is.
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Passionate.
I'm passionate about making surethat people people know that,
you know, when you go through apast life, maybe even ask, uh,
well, I don't know.
The hypnotist might not know thethe verbiage of closing off the
life, but just to ask, maybelike, am I gonna learn lessons
from this?
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Am I gonna uh let go ofemotions?
Am I gonna, you know, understandit in relation to the life I'm
living now?
So maybe ask those kinds ofquestions before you have a
regression with somebody.
SPEAKER_02 (42:52):
Yeah, it's important
to remember the therapy part of
hypnotherapy and that regressionis a technique we use for
therapy.
And there are differentconditions when that regression
takes you to a what we refer toas a past life.
SPEAKER_01 (43:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (43:08):
But it's always
there for the therapeutic
reasons.
I I guess you know, there's wayswe use uh past life regression
in a non-therapeutic way.
I think we can talk about themrelatively easily.
You can have a client that says,I just want to go back to a past
life.
So when I was training in pastlives, we were deliberately
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taking each other into pastlives.
And what was really useful to meagain, I had Pettig as as my
teacher.
She was teaching, and she likedusing me as a subject because
just the sound of her voice putsme in a trance.
SPEAKER_00 (43:47):
Yeah, it goes easy.
SPEAKER_02 (43:49):
And so she liked
working with me because she
didn't have to waste a lot oftime on the induction, and she
could she could get that theprocess started.
And during that course, when shewould use me, she would just
simply create the context thatwe're going to go into a past
life, that an awareness of thatlife is useful in this life.
SPEAKER_01 (44:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (44:10):
And and that's where
she took me a few times.
And those experiences were verygood because they weren't being,
I wasn't being regressed into anemotionally charged situation.
I was being regressed intobasically what my subconscious
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mind thought would be valuablefor me to be aware of to that
moment in that person's life.
And that's the technique you canuse when somebody says, I just
want to have a past liferegression.
You know, quite simply youcreate the intention because it
you've heard me say it a milliontimes.
It's all about intention.
Whatever your intention is, youset that intention and you will
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create that.
So if you're doing it for fun.
SPEAKER_00 (45:01):
Yeah, some people
just want to have fun and check
it out, they say.
I just want to check it out.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (45:07):
And then there's
group stuff.
Want to talk about that quick?
We're almost done.
SPEAKER_00 (45:11):
Yeah.
So group stuff for a hypnotist,it's a little different, right?
Because you have it's notcustom, you can't really know
what's happening for eachindividual person.
And but it still can be quitetherapeutic for each person
individually in its own way.
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As the hypnotists, you reallyhave to let go of worrying about
who who's going through what orif something's coming to
somebody, or because you can getcaught up in your mind about,
well, I I hope that everybody'shaving an experience.
Everybody's experience is goingto be very different.
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And I remember a regressionwhere a few people saw things,
another person had this verymuch a connection to their
higher self while they weregoing through it.
Another person just felt likelights were around them.
You have to, as the hypnotist,give a little bit more context
to people before the regression.
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Like whatever comes to you, justgo with it.
Even if you hear me as thehypnotist saying, what's on your
feet or what's around you,what's there, even if nothing
comes to you, just keep goingwith the experience.
Just allow yourself to bewherever you are.
Doesn't matter where you are,just allow yourself to continue
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with the experience.
And I so I remember one personafter a group regression just
saying, I'm sorry, I went offlike on my own somewhere.
That's wonderful, right?
It's to each their own.
Everyone's gonna have adifferent experience.
So it's definitely notcustomized.
And so it's it's kind ofinteresting.
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It's it's definitely a learningcurve for as a hypnotist to do a
group regression.
And I think throughout theregression, you you still say to
people, you know, notice thelessons that might be here,
right?
Send forgiveness to yourself andothers if need be.
Uh things like that.
Is that what you meant?
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Yeah.
Okay.
unknown (47:21):
Great.
SPEAKER_00 (47:21):
Uh yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (47:23):
Any final thoughts
or comments?
SPEAKER_00 (47:26):
Any questions?
Are you going to be offeringthis opportunity?
Do you mean like a groupregression or teaching past life
regression?
We're gonna do both, but will agroup regression be offered on
school?
Yes.
So I think that's going to benow that December is a little
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busy and we're almost at the endof it, it's going to be offered
in the January month.
So if you're on school, we'regonna pick a day and yeah, it'll
be in the calendar.
Thank you for asking that.
So that's it for today.
Tomorrow, if it's okay to jumpahead like this, tomorrow,
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because I think it's important,is we'll we'll sort of slide
into the end of a past life,transitioning, and doing the
life between contracts, all thatkind of stuff, higher self
stuff.
Does that sound good?
Perfect.
All right, have a good day,everyone, and we'll see you
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later.