November 26, 2025 • 37 mins
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We explore how neuroplasticity reframes change, from rebuilding movement after injury to replacing stubborn beliefs with better ones. Stories, tools, and a simple truth tie it together: you weren’t born with your limits, and repeated practice can rewrite them.
• the shift from injury-based brain science to modern imaging
• clear definition of plasticity in everyday language
• mind vs brain causation questions and practical takeaways
• motor imagery, hypnosis cues, and pairing with physiotherapy
• habit loops in thought, emotion, and movement
• gym story as identity and expectation rewiring
• aging myths replaced with process-based progress
• reframes: you weren’t born thinking this; practice creates belief
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It's more than kind of.
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I wondered if if it was a good representation of the
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I'm sure on the other side it'snot wet.
Yeah.
And it did feel rather wet outthere, but yeah.
So what are we talking about?
SPEAKER_02 (01:07):
Today we're gonna talk about neuroplasticity in a
broad sense, I think.
In the way that we've helpedpeople use it to make their
lives better.
We've had some people hear ustalk little bits and pieces
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about it, and they haveexclaimed that they want to hear
more about it.
So yeah, I thought it would bekind of an interesting topic.
We're not neuroplasticityscientists or anything.
SPEAKER_00 (01:41):
I am not a neurobiologist.
SPEAKER_02 (01:43):
Yeah.
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But I do like reading what they write about.
SPEAKER_01 (01:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
I do enjoy learning what they what they discover.
And, you know, it it to me, it'sthe perfect example of how
science can really dramaticallychange in a short period of
time.
You know, uh science is such abeautiful process of discovery.
When it's done really, reallywell, we hold back all of our
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assumptions and all the thingswe think we know, and we go
through a process to see what wereally, what we really can
learn, what we can know.
And yeah, for years and years,you know, the science of the
brain was really limited tobrain injuries.
People who had suffered somekind of brain injury, and then
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essentially the scientistscould, using things like x-rays,
try to isolate where the problemis, and then associate that part
of the brain with those kinds offunctions.
And it was really just about,you know, brain injury, whether
it was from external forces orinternal forces.
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And they used uh things likeearly brain surgeries as a way
to try to understand understandthe regions of the brain and the
kinds of the kinds of activitiesor or movements or mental
processes that were associatedwith different parts of the
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brain.
And that led them to a lot ofconclusions.
One of the conclusions was thatthe fundamental wiring of your
brain is really established yumand it doesn't change.
And that was that was the viewfor like a hundred years.
It was the view for a long timewith early psychology and early
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medicine.
And then we discovered thingslike MRIs, magnetic resonance
imaging, right?
Increased our ability to withCAT scans, X-ray technology, got
way better.
It was then possible to see whatwas going on in the brain while
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these physical activities tookplace.
And yeah, millions of scanslater, neurobiologists have
really a long list of what theyconsider to be really
established associations betweenbrain activity and thought and
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body activity.
Right?
You can you can get somebody togo into a functional MRI and you
can get them to move around andyou can watch what parts of the
brain light up.
And now we have an associationthat's much more precise and has
been enlightening because one ofthe most important things that
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they've discovered, and this isreally why we're talking about
this, is that you can change thewiring of your brain.
SPEAKER_02 (05:02):
So that's what the question today is what is it?
So it is that it is the theplasticity of the brain, the
ability to change the plasticityof the brain.
SPEAKER_00 (05:16):
Well, plasticity just means changeable.
So I would say that it's aboutthink of it in terms of wiring
neurons.
SPEAKER_02 (05:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:25):
Bundles of neurons or or basically nerve cells, the
the cells that transmit signalsthrough and to each other at
lightning speed.
Right.
So you can.
So this is the way I explain itwhen I'm working with clients.
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When you're born and you're newin the body.
SPEAKER_01 (05:50):
What's this?
SPEAKER_00 (05:52):
You know, you watch babies and they have a hard
time, you know, getting theirhand to their mouth.
Whereas for most of us now, thatis a really everybody's skilled
in getting their hand to theirmouth.
Right?
You can do it in the dark, youcan do it with your eyes closed,
you can do it because you'vedone it so many times.
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And so it is wired in as a fastand easy habit.
So the the systems thatfacilitate that when you're an
infant are learning andbecoming.
And the systems that facilitatethat after you've done it, you
know, a million, 10 milliontimes, are wired in.
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They're established.
That's why you can do it withoutthinking about it.
That's why you can do it in thedark with your eyes closed.
It's why these movements, theseabilities are so well
established.
And I believe that it's part ofthe physiology aspect of the
subconscious mind, being, youknow, the subconscious mind is
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that habit area, that that partof the mind that deals with
habitual behaviors and habitualreactions and habitual thoughts.
Right.
So, you know, neuroplasticitysimply means that what used to
be hardwired can be rewired.
SPEAKER_02 (07:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Through the well, back to MRIs,they've found that even just
thinking about the movement, thesame places of the brain light
up as if you actually made themovement.
SPEAKER_00 (07:36):
Well, yeah, the MRIs are really powerful tools.
They have limits, and there's anelement of imprecision in them.
And there's still, you know, acausal question, right?
What causes what?
What causes thought?
This is a big question forscience.
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Science, there are thousands ofscientists around the world
dedicated to trying tounderstand how the brain creates
consciousness.
And there are thousands ofscientists who believe that
they've proven that the braindoesn't create consciousness on
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a causal basis.
And this debate goes on becausethe materialist scientists
believe that, you know, there'sthere are physical rules, and
that's that.
And the non-materialistscientists are finding evidence
to suggest that yeah, that thebrain is not the beginning of
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all these things.
It's not the originator, it'snot the creator.
The brain is something else.
And and science is movingquickly in other directions.
Neuroplasticity, the fact thatthought can change the way your
brain is wired really suggeststhat the mind is not an emergent
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property of the brain.
SPEAKER_02 (09:06):
Yeah, because like I've written down here, like,
how can we be working withsomething more than what we have
that they say they have, wehave, right?
Does that make sense?
So, like, if we to unpack it alittle bit.
If if our brain is creatingthought, then oh man, if our
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brain is creating thought, thenif we don't if we don't have the
capacity with the brain to thinkmore, to think thoughts that are
helping change the brain, thenhow does the brain change?
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_00 (09:47):
Uh I know what you're driving at.
SPEAKER_02 (09:49):
Can you explain it easier?
SPEAKER_00 (09:51):
Well, you know, the the the perception, not the
perception, the view was thatyou have a brain, and that is
the center of who you are,because we can prove the
existence of a brain.
People talk about the mind, butthe mind is something that
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science has a hard time provingthe existence of, other than it
seems that human beings gothrough, you know, millions of
thought processes and thousandsof thoughts in a day?
Science is limited to thephysical, right?
This is this is the truth aboutphysical sciences.
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Once we go beyond physicalsciences and get into
theoretical sciences, we findourselves changing our
fundamental view of things.
So, how can the brain, whichgets programmed, reprogram
itself?
SPEAKER_02 (10:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:54):
And so the idea is that there is neuroplasticity
shows that through thought wecan reprogram the brain,
reprogram our neurologicalsystem.
There is a lot of evidence nowthat suggests that broken
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neurological pathways, brokennerve pathways can be
regenerated, they can bere-established, they can be
honed.
Well, I I think of it in termsof they can be
reverse-engineered.
So what what one of the thingsthat was going on in science for
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a while, I haven't paidattention to it lately, was that
they would get people who havehad neurological tissue damage
so that they have some kind ofparalysis.
And then they would uh manuallyfrom outside forces move the
limb that was no longer underthe control of the person.
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They would move that in veryroutinized, highly repetitive
motions.
So the simple way to say it is,you know, if I if I found myself
unable to use my arm through thehelp of a physiotherapist,
sometimes a machine, they wouldliterally thousands of times
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move my arm through a specificrange of motion.
They would move that on mybehalf with the hope that the
backwards motion with myattention would send the signal
from the arm to the brain, thusfinding a new pathway.
And they had some success withthat.
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Now, the question is, you know,why and how?
And, you know, hypnotism andmind science, mind uh the world
of people working in the in themind, they have what they
believe are explanations forthat, which is neuroplasticity,
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that with the intention of theperson and using their mind,
because that's part of theprocess, they are
re-establishing pathways.
With that said, that's to mewhy, you know, when I do
hypnosis with people who areworking on this kind of thing,
the the reframe we use, the thesimple model that we try to
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embrace in the mind is that whenwe were babies, we didn't know
how to move our arm.
And now, after years and yearsand years, we've learned how to
do it and do it so well that wedo it unconsciously, that the
body functions unconsciously.
Then when the neurologicalpathways that we were reliant on
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to engage that movement arebroken somehow due to injury.
Maybe it's a brain injury ormaybe it's an actual physical
injury.
We've got to learn again.
So we're back to where we wereas babies, establishing pathways
between our brain and the partsof our body that would be used
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on a habitual basis tofacilitate that movement.
And when we say, Well, I I didit once, right?
That's my favorite, my favoritereframe.
I've done this before.
I did this once as a baby, I cando it again as an adult.
I can reuse my brain and mynerves and figure out how.
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And it's just, you know, we usethe idea of electrical wiring
and bypassing.
If there's a broken wire, well,we put another wire in there and
we bypass it.
What's happened now is that whenit comes to the science, is that
scientists are actually quiteliterally using microscopic
recordings of new neuralpathways being established when
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a neuron attaches to a neuronthat it hadn't attached to
before.
And they're showing how theseconnections take place.
They're using MRI imagery toshow very, very uh subtle shifts
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and changes in the way messagingmoves from the brain to the
parts of the body.
There are lots of habitualbehaviors that go beyond the
physical.
Right.
We have habitual ways ofthinking.
We have habitual ways ofinterpreting things, we have
habitual ways of thinking ofourselves.
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So if we take this idea that wecan re-establish neural pathways
in the body for the purposes ofmovement, it just opens to the
door to say, well, can't weestablish new neural pathways in
the brain for the purposes ofmind activities, mental
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activities.
Yeah, sorry for just going onand on, but uh, this stuff has
always fascinated me.
And I've worked with people whoare recovering from these kinds
of injuries, and I have tons offun with it.
I have tons of fun with itbecause I get to take them into
trance and propose silly littlethings.
SPEAKER_02 (16:31):
Like what?
SPEAKER_00 (16:33):
Most recently I just used the snapping of my fingers
and and coordinated with theclient that they would uh the
sound of the snap on my fingerssend a signal from the brain to
the part of the body that wasn'tfunctioning well, and that
signal would go down and back ina new pathway, just imagining
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that you were basically rewiringa system.
And so now the client's in therein a trance, uh, imagining that
they're rewiring.
And it it was it was fun becausehe was deep in trance, he was
committed to the processmentally.
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Uh, when I would snap myfingers, he would physically
jump in the chair, he wouldtwitch.
You could see by watching justthe the musculature sort of uh
clench and release.
And I think that's fun.
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I think that's just tons of funbecause we're accomplishing what
we intended to do, which wassend signals down new pathways
to encourage connection, and andit was causing a physical
reaction, and of course, thatjust confirms in the client's
mind this is working, this ishaving an effect.
SPEAKER_02 (17:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:00):
And so when I've worked with people in this
regard before, you know,watching them physically twitch
was to me, you know, evidencethat something was being done by
their mind to get their body toreact.
SPEAKER_02 (18:19):
Yeah.
I had a client once that hadsort of this deteriorating
function of their arm and hand,and we were working together to
understand where that was comingfrom, and also, you know, just
like you're saying, increasingthat signal from the brain to
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the hand to have a reaction.
So what we did was a littledifferent.
We used the imagination, and hewould imagine starting off in
his brain at, you know, thecontrol center and following a
little light, like he was likeriding on a little light down,
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down, down through his arm,right?
Out of the brain, down his neck,across his shoulder, down his
arm, into his hand, and thenmoving it a little bit, and then
riding that light back up to thebrain and back down to the arm,
you know, up and down a multipletimes.
Anyway, it's just uh incrediblethe the the changes.
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Even I mean, it's not a it's nota cure.
We're not definitely not sayingthat.
And it's very important to keepin mind that this what they call
motor imagery, it's important topair it with physical, physical
therapy to get the best results.
So yeah, it's an it's amazinghow the brain, the mind, can get
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these pathways going again, evenif it's a little different
pathway, right?
Maybe it's not the old pathwaythat it's regenerating, but
maybe it's a new kind ofpathway.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:06):
Yeah, I can't tell you exactly what's going on.
I can tell you that the mind ishaving an impact on the body,
and the result is that peoplehave had changes in their
physical abilities that doctorshave been greatly surprised by.
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But when you think of, yeah, I Imore and more lately I'm just so
fascinated by the habitualnature of humans that we are all
really the expression of many,many programs.
And those programs are reallyuseful because they they help us
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do things quickly, they help usuh they help us uh do dozens of
things at the same time.
All of these programs, all thesesubconscious behaviors, all
these subconscious actions, allthese unconscious activities
that go on in our body.
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So habit is really important.
And I think what it essentiallysays is that we as human beings
have the ability to createhighly high-velocity
communication within our body.
And then we become habitualabout it and we become reliant
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on it.
And that's what actuallyinterferes with creating new
activities, new high velocitycommunication systems, new more
helpful habits.
And it you don't have to have aninjury to do this, right?
Like, you know, it's been twoand a half years, and I have
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been going to the gym.
And for the first six months,boy, did I resist.
I just resisted.
Like, oh God, I don't want togo, and it feels so awful.
Because I was just so in suchpoor physical shape.
I had established really goodneural pathways for sitting and
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doing nothing, and had lost theneural pathways for many of the
things that I had establishedwhen I was young.
When I was young, I was, youknow, Mr.
Mr.
play every sport there couldpossibly be.
And I loved doing it.
And I felt back then like therewasn't anything I couldn't do,
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and that that there was acertain elegance to my my
movements.
You know, I was successful and Iwas, you know, often, you know,
one of the better ones.
And then I went back to the gym,and what I thought I had in
terms of physical movement andphysical elegance was just gone.
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It was gone.
So in many respects, I hadalready established new neural
pathways.
So after a year, somethingfinally clicked in me that said,
you know, I want to do this.
I went from I need to do this toI want to do this.
And then I started paying closerattention to the movements and
trying to open my mind to theidea that, you know, I'm not
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going to be reliant on what Iused to be.
I'm going to become somethingnew.
I've done this before.
I'm going to do it again.
And now, you know, every daystarts with the thought, am I
going to the gym?
And what am I doing at the gym?
And I look forward to looking atwhat the day's workout is.
And I look forward to thinkingabout doing it.
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And I look forward to thinkingabout, you know, my friends at
the gym, doing it with them andthe pleasant conversation.
And the whole thing has become,you know, one of the most
enjoyable things that I do.
But it's also, I think I'm at apoint where I need it.
My body wants it.
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My body needs it.
My mind wants it.
My mind needs it.
You know, yesterday I was doinga different movement and it was
frustrating as hell because,first of all, it didn't feel
good.
And second of all, it wassomething I hadn't done before.
And I had to figure out, youknow, the sequence of muscles
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necessary to do it.
What's the posture?
What are the different musclesI'm using?
What are the different outcomesthat I'm seeking?
What is it supposed to looklike?
What's it supposed to feel like?
So it was very much aneuroplasticity exercise for me.
And as a result, you know, Ifeel physically different than I
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did two and a half years ago.
I think about myself differentlythan I did two and a half years
ago.
My emotional reaction tophysical activity is different
than it was two and a half yearsago.
And this is just changing whatand how I think about something
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that at one point I wasresistant to, convinced that
those days were done, convincedthat I couldn't, convinced that
I wouldn't, convinced that Ididn't need to.
All these thought patterns thatI had established around
exercise and going to the gymhave all been replaced by a love
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of going to the gym, a love ofpushing myself to the point of
feeling really crappy for alittle while, and different
expectations.
And I think that's a huge one,too, to talk about
neuroplasticity.
It's about expectations.
You don't think about scratchingyour nose because you have every
expectation that it's going togo fine until you have stroke.
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And then you try to figure outhow to use this hand that you've
been using just fine for 50years and now it's not working.
And you have to find a new wayaround it.
You know, I think that we if weapproach that from I can't, or
this is hard, or I'm broken,these kinds of mentalities, then
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things don't change.
And if we approach it from a no,my brain can rewire itself, my
body can rewire itself.
I can establish new thinkingpatterns because every thinking
pattern is just a habit.
And it's a habit that can bechanged.
So neuroplasticity starts tobecome almost a philosophy for
your life.
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And I think that that's that'sthe potential of it, is to say
that I can change.
My habits are holding me inplace.
And it's okay.
They've been helpful in manyways, but some habits are not
helpful.
Habits in the way I think,habits in the way I move, habits
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in the way I don't move.
Those habits can change.
I am, maybe this can be a reallynice reframe for the day.
I am not a thing, I am aprocess, right?
Imagine a highway, a highway ofa hundred miles, and you're
traveling from one end of thehighway to the other in a very
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linear fashion, slow and steady.
You are the spot on the highwayin this moment.
But when this is all done, youwere the being that moved from
one end of that highway to theother.
The highway existed, youexisted, and you moved through
it from one end to the other.
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You are a process, you are born,and yes, you will pass on.
The body will grow, develop,strengthen, weaken in a whole
series of steps that are goingto take decades for most people.
And there is no one moment inthat journey that doesn't count.
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There's no moment in thatjourney that that isn't exactly
part of you.
So if I see myself as thatprocess, if I see myself as this
awareness engaged in thatjourney, and I see that every
part of that journey iscreative.
Every part of that journey hasthe potential to be completely
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and totally different thananything that preceded it.
When I see myself as a process,not a thing, and I know that I
am in process always, well,creativity sort of naturally
rises to the front.
So see yourself shifting yourthought from being a thing to
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being a process, and that thatprocess is going to be optimally
driven by your curiosity andyour creativity.
And then it's not, well, I can'tbecause you know I just turned
62 and you know, I'm really kindof way too old for going to the
gym.
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To now I'm 65 and I'm going tothe gym today, and I've
established a new personalrecord on my deadlifts.
And now I'm going to try to pushtowards a new personal record by
doing a series of exercisestoday that are going to use my
previous max to enhance myskills, moving towards a new max
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a couple of months from now.
I'm a process.
Yeah.
And my body is not done, and mymind is not done, and the
future's only Find them whenit's different.
SPEAKER_02 (30:01):
Yeah.
And old science would have saidthat by the time you're 30, it's
pretty much all downhill.
Like you can't learn new things.
That old, what comes to my mindis that old saying, well, I
don't know if it's old.
I feel like it's old.
You can't teach an old dog newtricks.
SPEAKER_00 (30:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:18):
It's out the window, really.
SPEAKER_00 (30:20):
Oh.
It's it's it's a lie.
SPEAKER_02 (30:23):
Yeah.
There's there's a woman that Ifollow.
She is in her 70s.
And I don't know what age shestarted this, but it was like
after 60 or after 65 orsomething.
And she started doing onepush-up a day.
And she is bit like she agedbackwards, it looks like, right?
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And and now she does more thanone push-up a day, but she said,
like most anyone can can dothis, right?
Can can their body can learn,their mind can train, their
their mind can change, right?
The the you can develop newpathways, you can develop new
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habits, you can learn allthroughout life.
It's not all downhill after 30or whatever the age that they
said.
The brain locks in.
SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
Yeah.
So I think it's important tothink of neuroplasticity, not in
this extreme examples that we'vehad, you know, a lot of you know
happy success in helping peoplerejuvenate neural pathways.
It's also just a perspective.
Neuroplasticity doesn't justrewire paralyzed limbs.
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Neuroplasticity changes thehabits of your mind.
And that's what's critical.
That's how life gets better,right?
That's why life feels like aroutine because we're not trying
to change anything.
And when we finally getsufficiently dissatisfied with
our state of being, and I thinkthat's that's a topic unto
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itself.
Sufficiently dissatisfied whenwe reach that point, we want
change.
And when we want change, I thinkit's absolutely essential to
know you can have change.
Anybody can have change.
Yes, there are mental habitsgetting in the way.
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Yes, there are old limitingbeliefs, which are just mental
habits, mental interpretations,habitual patterned
interpretations of what'spossible and what's not.
This is this is really normal.
This is what human beings do intheir minds.
And it's knowing, and you know,this is the magic.
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I think certain things aboutmyself, and they're just habits.
At some point, a long time ago,I didn't think these things
about myself.
So I established these ideasabout myself, and then I thought
them over and over and over andover until they became habit.
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And now that they're habit, Iwant to change them because I
see how they limit me.
But if I created this mentalhabit, I can create a new one.
I have the ability to createmental habits.
That's why I have my perceivedlimits.
But I can create new mentalhabits which change those
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limits.
These things are created andthey can be recreated.
You weren't born with them.
SPEAKER_02 (33:45):
That's what I was just gonna say.
SPEAKER_00 (33:46):
Oh, go ahead.
SPEAKER_02 (33:47):
It's okay.
Just a reframe that I use allthe time, sometimes multiple
times a session, is you weren'tborn thinking this.
Right.
And it's funny how we go, aclient, even myself, will go, oh
yeah.
It's it's almost like we can'tfeel into that, right?
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Because all we know is what weknow now, and to think of
ourselves even as a baby isalmost hard, right?
So just reframing this idea thatwith the reframe, sorry, that
you weren't born doing this, youweren't born thinking this.
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And so it's not it's not evenyours if you don't want it to
be, right?
SPEAKER_00 (34:42):
Anything we create, we can recreate.
And any belief you have aboutyourself has been created out of
your experiences.
SPEAKER_01 (34:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:51):
And you can recreate that with different experiences,
you can let go of that for thelie that it really is, because
you are infinite potential.
Anything's possible.
A lot of people don't like thatidea because they've gotten
comfortable.
SPEAKER_01 (35:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (35:09):
I didn't like the idea when I showed up at the gym
and the coach said, Yeah, yeah,there's lots we can do.
I was like, come on, I'm old.
And now that I'm older and yetyounger, and now looking forward
to learning new things, tryingnew things.
Yeah.
Sorry, I just got lost in my ownthoughts about all the things
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that are changing.
And and really happy about that.
And I guess, you know, let thatbe the point of that.
That, you know, this is notstuff that I I preach.
This is stuff that I use.
And that's why I teach it.
I use it and it's helped.
And so I teach it.
SPEAKER_02 (35:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's important.
And that's what we're hopefullydoing on this podcast in life,
working with people in theschool, is just the things that
we've learned, the things thatwe're still working on.
We're not, oh my God, we're notperfect or anything.
If we've found it helpful, thenwe we share it.
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And hopefully it helps helpsyou.
A little moment of help, even inan hour-long podcast.
If there's a moment where yougo, Oh, oh yeah, that's that's
what's most important to us.
A little nugget.
Any questions?
No questions.
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Nope, no questions today.
That's all right.
So again, wherever you'relistening to this, in the
description, there will be linksto contact us if you wish, links
to ask a question if you wishanonymously, links to sign up
for our school.
Anything else, Les?
SPEAKER_00 (36:53):
Nope.
Nope.
SPEAKER_02 (36:55):
He's going to the gym.
Get those deadlifts in.
SPEAKER_00 (36:59):
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (37:00):
All right.
Well, have a good day.
We'll see you later.
Okay, we are on the line.
I have the right microphone on.
SPEAKER_00 (00:14):
Beautiful.
SPEAKER_02 (00:17):
Do you mind giving us a thumbs up in the chat or
something if you can hear us?
I'm sure you can.
But just checking.
Thumbs up.
SPEAKER_00 (00:26):
Thumbs up.
Microphone is on.
Microphone is on.
Sun is almost up.
SPEAKER_02 (00:30):
Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of foggy out there.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
It's more than kind of.
It's like walking through thefog, taking the garbage to the
curb.
SPEAKER_02 (00:38):
It's like uh like a scary movie.
SPEAKER_00 (00:41):
I actually thought it was like the blue mist.
Blue mist.
SPEAKER_02 (00:47):
Did you run into any aliens or I wondered?
SPEAKER_00 (00:50):
I wondered if if it was a good representation of the
other side.
I'm sure on the other side it'snot wet.
Yeah.
And it did feel rather wet outthere, but yeah.
So what are we talking about?
SPEAKER_02 (01:07):
Today we're gonna talk about neuroplasticity in a
broad sense, I think.
In the way that we've helpedpeople use it to make their
lives better.
We've had some people hear ustalk little bits and pieces
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about it, and they haveexclaimed that they want to hear
more about it.
So yeah, I thought it would bekind of an interesting topic.
We're not neuroplasticityscientists or anything.
SPEAKER_00 (01:41):
I am not a neurobiologist.
SPEAKER_02 (01:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:44):
But I do like reading what they write about.
SPEAKER_01 (01:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
I do enjoy learning what they what they discover.
And, you know, it it to me, it'sthe perfect example of how
science can really dramaticallychange in a short period of
time.
You know, uh science is such abeautiful process of discovery.
When it's done really, reallywell, we hold back all of our
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assumptions and all the thingswe think we know, and we go
through a process to see what wereally, what we really can
learn, what we can know.
And yeah, for years and years,you know, the science of the
brain was really limited tobrain injuries.
People who had suffered somekind of brain injury, and then
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essentially the scientistscould, using things like x-rays,
try to isolate where the problemis, and then associate that part
of the brain with those kinds offunctions.
And it was really just about,you know, brain injury, whether
it was from external forces orinternal forces.
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And they used uh things likeearly brain surgeries as a way
to try to understand understandthe regions of the brain and the
kinds of the kinds of activitiesor or movements or mental
processes that were associatedwith different parts of the
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brain.
And that led them to a lot ofconclusions.
One of the conclusions was thatthe fundamental wiring of your
brain is really established yumand it doesn't change.
And that was that was the viewfor like a hundred years.
It was the view for a long timewith early psychology and early
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medicine.
And then we discovered thingslike MRIs, magnetic resonance
imaging, right?
Increased our ability to withCAT scans, X-ray technology, got
way better.
It was then possible to see whatwas going on in the brain while
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these physical activities tookplace.
And yeah, millions of scanslater, neurobiologists have
really a long list of what theyconsider to be really
established associations betweenbrain activity and thought and
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body activity.
Right?
You can you can get somebody togo into a functional MRI and you
can get them to move around andyou can watch what parts of the
brain light up.
And now we have an associationthat's much more precise and has
been enlightening because one ofthe most important things that
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they've discovered, and this isreally why we're talking about
this, is that you can change thewiring of your brain.
SPEAKER_02 (05:02):
So that's what the question today is what is it?
So it is that it is the theplasticity of the brain, the
ability to change the plasticityof the brain.
SPEAKER_00 (05:16):
Well, plasticity just means changeable.
So I would say that it's aboutthink of it in terms of wiring
neurons.
SPEAKER_02 (05:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:25):
Bundles of neurons or or basically nerve cells, the
the cells that transmit signalsthrough and to each other at
lightning speed.
Right.
So you can.
So this is the way I explain itwhen I'm working with clients.
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When you're born and you're newin the body.
SPEAKER_01 (05:50):
What's this?
SPEAKER_00 (05:52):
You know, you watch babies and they have a hard
time, you know, getting theirhand to their mouth.
Whereas for most of us now, thatis a really everybody's skilled
in getting their hand to theirmouth.
Right?
You can do it in the dark, youcan do it with your eyes closed,
you can do it because you'vedone it so many times.
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And so it is wired in as a fastand easy habit.
So the the systems thatfacilitate that when you're an
infant are learning andbecoming.
And the systems that facilitatethat after you've done it, you
know, a million, 10 milliontimes, are wired in.
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They're established.
That's why you can do it withoutthinking about it.
That's why you can do it in thedark with your eyes closed.
It's why these movements, theseabilities are so well
established.
And I believe that it's part ofthe physiology aspect of the
subconscious mind, being, youknow, the subconscious mind is
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that habit area, that that partof the mind that deals with
habitual behaviors and habitualreactions and habitual thoughts.
Right.
So, you know, neuroplasticitysimply means that what used to
be hardwired can be rewired.
SPEAKER_02 (07:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Through the well, back to MRIs,they've found that even just
thinking about the movement, thesame places of the brain light
up as if you actually made themovement.
SPEAKER_00 (07:36):
Well, yeah, the MRIs are really powerful tools.
They have limits, and there's anelement of imprecision in them.
And there's still, you know, acausal question, right?
What causes what?
What causes thought?
This is a big question forscience.
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Science, there are thousands ofscientists around the world
dedicated to trying tounderstand how the brain creates
consciousness.
And there are thousands ofscientists who believe that
they've proven that the braindoesn't create consciousness on
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a causal basis.
And this debate goes on becausethe materialist scientists
believe that, you know, there'sthere are physical rules, and
that's that.
And the non-materialistscientists are finding evidence
to suggest that yeah, that thebrain is not the beginning of
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all these things.
It's not the originator, it'snot the creator.
The brain is something else.
And and science is movingquickly in other directions.
Neuroplasticity, the fact thatthought can change the way your
brain is wired really suggeststhat the mind is not an emergent
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property of the brain.
SPEAKER_02 (09:06):
Yeah, because like I've written down here, like,
how can we be working withsomething more than what we have
that they say they have, wehave, right?
Does that make sense?
So, like, if we to unpack it alittle bit.
If if our brain is creatingthought, then oh man, if our
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brain is creating thought, thenif we don't if we don't have the
capacity with the brain to thinkmore, to think thoughts that are
helping change the brain, thenhow does the brain change?
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_00 (09:47):
Uh I know what you're driving at.
SPEAKER_02 (09:49):
Can you explain it easier?
SPEAKER_00 (09:51):
Well, you know, the the the perception, not the
perception, the view was thatyou have a brain, and that is
the center of who you are,because we can prove the
existence of a brain.
People talk about the mind, butthe mind is something that
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science has a hard time provingthe existence of, other than it
seems that human beings gothrough, you know, millions of
thought processes and thousandsof thoughts in a day?
Science is limited to thephysical, right?
This is this is the truth aboutphysical sciences.
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Once we go beyond physicalsciences and get into
theoretical sciences, we findourselves changing our
fundamental view of things.
So, how can the brain, whichgets programmed, reprogram
itself?
SPEAKER_02 (10:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:54):
And so the idea is that there is neuroplasticity
shows that through thought wecan reprogram the brain,
reprogram our neurologicalsystem.
There is a lot of evidence nowthat suggests that broken
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neurological pathways, brokennerve pathways can be
regenerated, they can bere-established, they can be
honed.
Well, I I think of it in termsof they can be
reverse-engineered.
So what what one of the thingsthat was going on in science for
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a while, I haven't paidattention to it lately, was that
they would get people who havehad neurological tissue damage
so that they have some kind ofparalysis.
And then they would uh manuallyfrom outside forces move the
limb that was no longer underthe control of the person.
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They would move that in veryroutinized, highly repetitive
motions.
So the simple way to say it is,you know, if I if I found myself
unable to use my arm through thehelp of a physiotherapist,
sometimes a machine, they wouldliterally thousands of times
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move my arm through a specificrange of motion.
They would move that on mybehalf with the hope that the
backwards motion with myattention would send the signal
from the arm to the brain, thusfinding a new pathway.
And they had some success withthat.
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Now, the question is, you know,why and how?
And, you know, hypnotism andmind science, mind uh the world
of people working in the in themind, they have what they
believe are explanations forthat, which is neuroplasticity,
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that with the intention of theperson and using their mind,
because that's part of theprocess, they are
re-establishing pathways.
With that said, that's to mewhy, you know, when I do
hypnosis with people who areworking on this kind of thing,
the the reframe we use, the thesimple model that we try to
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embrace in the mind is that whenwe were babies, we didn't know
how to move our arm.
And now, after years and yearsand years, we've learned how to
do it and do it so well that wedo it unconsciously, that the
body functions unconsciously.
Then when the neurologicalpathways that we were reliant on
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to engage that movement arebroken somehow due to injury.
Maybe it's a brain injury ormaybe it's an actual physical
injury.
We've got to learn again.
So we're back to where we wereas babies, establishing pathways
between our brain and the partsof our body that would be used
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on a habitual basis tofacilitate that movement.
And when we say, Well, I I didit once, right?
That's my favorite, my favoritereframe.
I've done this before.
I did this once as a baby, I cando it again as an adult.
I can reuse my brain and mynerves and figure out how.
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And it's just, you know, we usethe idea of electrical wiring
and bypassing.
If there's a broken wire, well,we put another wire in there and
we bypass it.
What's happened now is that whenit comes to the science, is that
scientists are actually quiteliterally using microscopic
recordings of new neuralpathways being established when
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a neuron attaches to a neuronthat it hadn't attached to
before.
And they're showing how theseconnections take place.
They're using MRI imagery toshow very, very uh subtle shifts
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and changes in the way messagingmoves from the brain to the
parts of the body.
There are lots of habitualbehaviors that go beyond the
physical.
Right.
We have habitual ways ofthinking.
We have habitual ways ofinterpreting things, we have
habitual ways of thinking ofourselves.
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So if we take this idea that wecan re-establish neural pathways
in the body for the purposes ofmovement, it just opens to the
door to say, well, can't weestablish new neural pathways in
the brain for the purposes ofmind activities, mental
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activities.
Yeah, sorry for just going onand on, but uh, this stuff has
always fascinated me.
And I've worked with people whoare recovering from these kinds
of injuries, and I have tons offun with it.
I have tons of fun with itbecause I get to take them into
trance and propose silly littlethings.
SPEAKER_02 (16:31):
Like what?
SPEAKER_00 (16:33):
Most recently I just used the snapping of my fingers
and and coordinated with theclient that they would uh the
sound of the snap on my fingerssend a signal from the brain to
the part of the body that wasn'tfunctioning well, and that
signal would go down and back ina new pathway, just imagining
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that you were basically rewiringa system.
And so now the client's in therein a trance, uh, imagining that
they're rewiring.
And it it was it was fun becausehe was deep in trance, he was
committed to the processmentally.
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Uh, when I would snap myfingers, he would physically
jump in the chair, he wouldtwitch.
You could see by watching justthe the musculature sort of uh
clench and release.
And I think that's fun.
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I think that's just tons of funbecause we're accomplishing what
we intended to do, which wassend signals down new pathways
to encourage connection, and andit was causing a physical
reaction, and of course, thatjust confirms in the client's
mind this is working, this ishaving an effect.
SPEAKER_02 (17:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:00):
And so when I've worked with people in this
regard before, you know,watching them physically twitch
was to me, you know, evidencethat something was being done by
their mind to get their body toreact.
SPEAKER_02 (18:19):
Yeah.
I had a client once that hadsort of this deteriorating
function of their arm and hand,and we were working together to
understand where that was comingfrom, and also, you know, just
like you're saying, increasingthat signal from the brain to
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the hand to have a reaction.
So what we did was a littledifferent.
We used the imagination, and hewould imagine starting off in
his brain at, you know, thecontrol center and following a
little light, like he was likeriding on a little light down,
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down, down through his arm,right?
Out of the brain, down his neck,across his shoulder, down his
arm, into his hand, and thenmoving it a little bit, and then
riding that light back up to thebrain and back down to the arm,
you know, up and down a multipletimes.
Anyway, it's just uh incrediblethe the the changes.
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Even I mean, it's not a it's nota cure.
We're not definitely not sayingthat.
And it's very important to keepin mind that this what they call
motor imagery, it's important topair it with physical, physical
therapy to get the best results.
So yeah, it's an it's amazinghow the brain, the mind, can get
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these pathways going again, evenif it's a little different
pathway, right?
Maybe it's not the old pathwaythat it's regenerating, but
maybe it's a new kind ofpathway.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:06):
Yeah, I can't tell you exactly what's going on.
I can tell you that the mind ishaving an impact on the body,
and the result is that peoplehave had changes in their
physical abilities that doctorshave been greatly surprised by.
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But when you think of, yeah, I Imore and more lately I'm just so
fascinated by the habitualnature of humans that we are all
really the expression of many,many programs.
And those programs are reallyuseful because they they help us
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do things quickly, they help usuh they help us uh do dozens of
things at the same time.
All of these programs, all thesesubconscious behaviors, all
these subconscious actions, allthese unconscious activities
that go on in our body.
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So habit is really important.
And I think what it essentiallysays is that we as human beings
have the ability to createhighly high-velocity
communication within our body.
And then we become habitualabout it and we become reliant
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on it.
And that's what actuallyinterferes with creating new
activities, new high velocitycommunication systems, new more
helpful habits.
And it you don't have to have aninjury to do this, right?
Like, you know, it's been twoand a half years, and I have
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been going to the gym.
And for the first six months,boy, did I resist.
I just resisted.
Like, oh God, I don't want togo, and it feels so awful.
Because I was just so in suchpoor physical shape.
I had established really goodneural pathways for sitting and
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doing nothing, and had lost theneural pathways for many of the
things that I had establishedwhen I was young.
When I was young, I was, youknow, Mr.
Mr.
play every sport there couldpossibly be.
And I loved doing it.
And I felt back then like therewasn't anything I couldn't do,
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and that that there was acertain elegance to my my
movements.
You know, I was successful and Iwas, you know, often, you know,
one of the better ones.
And then I went back to the gym,and what I thought I had in
terms of physical movement andphysical elegance was just gone.
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It was gone.
So in many respects, I hadalready established new neural
pathways.
So after a year, somethingfinally clicked in me that said,
you know, I want to do this.
I went from I need to do this toI want to do this.
And then I started paying closerattention to the movements and
trying to open my mind to theidea that, you know, I'm not
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going to be reliant on what Iused to be.
I'm going to become somethingnew.
I've done this before.
I'm going to do it again.
And now, you know, every daystarts with the thought, am I
going to the gym?
And what am I doing at the gym?
And I look forward to looking atwhat the day's workout is.
And I look forward to thinkingabout doing it.
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And I look forward to thinkingabout, you know, my friends at
the gym, doing it with them andthe pleasant conversation.
And the whole thing has become,you know, one of the most
enjoyable things that I do.
But it's also, I think I'm at apoint where I need it.
My body wants it.
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My body needs it.
My mind wants it.
My mind needs it.
You know, yesterday I was doinga different movement and it was
frustrating as hell because,first of all, it didn't feel
good.
And second of all, it wassomething I hadn't done before.
And I had to figure out, youknow, the sequence of muscles
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necessary to do it.
What's the posture?
What are the different musclesI'm using?
What are the different outcomesthat I'm seeking?
What is it supposed to looklike?
What's it supposed to feel like?
So it was very much aneuroplasticity exercise for me.
And as a result, you know, Ifeel physically different than I
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did two and a half years ago.
I think about myself differentlythan I did two and a half years
ago.
My emotional reaction tophysical activity is different
than it was two and a half yearsago.
And this is just changing whatand how I think about something
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that at one point I wasresistant to, convinced that
those days were done, convincedthat I couldn't, convinced that
I wouldn't, convinced that Ididn't need to.
All these thought patterns thatI had established around
exercise and going to the gymhave all been replaced by a love
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of going to the gym, a love ofpushing myself to the point of
feeling really crappy for alittle while, and different
expectations.
And I think that's a huge one,too, to talk about
neuroplasticity.
It's about expectations.
You don't think about scratchingyour nose because you have every
expectation that it's going togo fine until you have stroke.
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And then you try to figure outhow to use this hand that you've
been using just fine for 50years and now it's not working.
And you have to find a new wayaround it.
You know, I think that we if weapproach that from I can't, or
this is hard, or I'm broken,these kinds of mentalities, then
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things don't change.
And if we approach it from a no,my brain can rewire itself, my
body can rewire itself.
I can establish new thinkingpatterns because every thinking
pattern is just a habit.
And it's a habit that can bechanged.
So neuroplasticity starts tobecome almost a philosophy for
your life.
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And I think that that's that'sthe potential of it, is to say
that I can change.
My habits are holding me inplace.
And it's okay.
They've been helpful in manyways, but some habits are not
helpful.
Habits in the way I think,habits in the way I move, habits
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in the way I don't move.
Those habits can change.
I am, maybe this can be a reallynice reframe for the day.
I am not a thing, I am aprocess, right?
Imagine a highway, a highway ofa hundred miles, and you're
traveling from one end of thehighway to the other in a very
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linear fashion, slow and steady.
You are the spot on the highwayin this moment.
But when this is all done, youwere the being that moved from
one end of that highway to theother.
The highway existed, youexisted, and you moved through
it from one end to the other.
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You are a process, you are born,and yes, you will pass on.
The body will grow, develop,strengthen, weaken in a whole
series of steps that are goingto take decades for most people.
And there is no one moment inthat journey that doesn't count.
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There's no moment in thatjourney that that isn't exactly
part of you.
So if I see myself as thatprocess, if I see myself as this
awareness engaged in thatjourney, and I see that every
part of that journey iscreative.
Every part of that journey hasthe potential to be completely
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and totally different thananything that preceded it.
When I see myself as a process,not a thing, and I know that I
am in process always, well,creativity sort of naturally
rises to the front.
So see yourself shifting yourthought from being a thing to
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being a process, and that thatprocess is going to be optimally
driven by your curiosity andyour creativity.
And then it's not, well, I can'tbecause you know I just turned
62 and you know, I'm really kindof way too old for going to the
gym.
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To now I'm 65 and I'm going tothe gym today, and I've
established a new personalrecord on my deadlifts.
And now I'm going to try to pushtowards a new personal record by
doing a series of exercisestoday that are going to use my
previous max to enhance myskills, moving towards a new max
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a couple of months from now.
I'm a process.
Yeah.
And my body is not done, and mymind is not done, and the
future's only Find them whenit's different.
SPEAKER_02 (30:01):
Yeah.
And old science would have saidthat by the time you're 30, it's
pretty much all downhill.
Like you can't learn new things.
That old, what comes to my mindis that old saying, well, I
don't know if it's old.
I feel like it's old.
You can't teach an old dog newtricks.
SPEAKER_00 (30:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:18):
It's out the window, really.
SPEAKER_00 (30:20):
Oh.
It's it's it's a lie.
SPEAKER_02 (30:23):
Yeah.
There's there's a woman that Ifollow.
She is in her 70s.
And I don't know what age shestarted this, but it was like
after 60 or after 65 orsomething.
And she started doing onepush-up a day.
And she is bit like she agedbackwards, it looks like, right?
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And and now she does more thanone push-up a day, but she said,
like most anyone can can dothis, right?
Can can their body can learn,their mind can train, their
their mind can change, right?
The the you can develop newpathways, you can develop new
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habits, you can learn allthroughout life.
It's not all downhill after 30or whatever the age that they
said.
The brain locks in.
SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
Yeah.
So I think it's important tothink of neuroplasticity, not in
this extreme examples that we'vehad, you know, a lot of you know
happy success in helping peoplerejuvenate neural pathways.
It's also just a perspective.
Neuroplasticity doesn't justrewire paralyzed limbs.
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Neuroplasticity changes thehabits of your mind.
And that's what's critical.
That's how life gets better,right?
That's why life feels like aroutine because we're not trying
to change anything.
And when we finally getsufficiently dissatisfied with
our state of being, and I thinkthat's that's a topic unto
(32:11):
itself.
Sufficiently dissatisfied whenwe reach that point, we want
change.
And when we want change, I thinkit's absolutely essential to
know you can have change.
Anybody can have change.
Yes, there are mental habitsgetting in the way.
(32:31):
Yes, there are old limitingbeliefs, which are just mental
habits, mental interpretations,habitual patterned
interpretations of what'spossible and what's not.
This is this is really normal.
This is what human beings do intheir minds.
And it's knowing, and you know,this is the magic.
(32:55):
I think certain things aboutmyself, and they're just habits.
At some point, a long time ago,I didn't think these things
about myself.
So I established these ideasabout myself, and then I thought
them over and over and over andover until they became habit.
(33:16):
And now that they're habit, Iwant to change them because I
see how they limit me.
But if I created this mentalhabit, I can create a new one.
I have the ability to createmental habits.
That's why I have my perceivedlimits.
But I can create new mentalhabits which change those
(33:38):
limits.
These things are created andthey can be recreated.
You weren't born with them.
SPEAKER_02 (33:45):
That's what I was just gonna say.
SPEAKER_00 (33:46):
Oh, go ahead.
SPEAKER_02 (33:47):
It's okay.
Just a reframe that I use allthe time, sometimes multiple
times a session, is you weren'tborn thinking this.
Right.
And it's funny how we go, aclient, even myself, will go, oh
yeah.
It's it's almost like we can'tfeel into that, right?
(34:11):
Because all we know is what weknow now, and to think of
ourselves even as a baby isalmost hard, right?
So just reframing this idea thatwith the reframe, sorry, that
you weren't born doing this, youweren't born thinking this.
(34:35):
And so it's not it's not evenyours if you don't want it to
be, right?
SPEAKER_00 (34:42):
Anything we create, we can recreate.
And any belief you have aboutyourself has been created out of
your experiences.
SPEAKER_01 (34:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:51):
And you can recreate that with different experiences,
you can let go of that for thelie that it really is, because
you are infinite potential.
Anything's possible.
A lot of people don't like thatidea because they've gotten
comfortable.
SPEAKER_01 (35:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (35:09):
I didn't like the idea when I showed up at the gym
and the coach said, Yeah, yeah,there's lots we can do.
I was like, come on, I'm old.
And now that I'm older and yetyounger, and now looking forward
to learning new things, tryingnew things.
Yeah.
Sorry, I just got lost in my ownthoughts about all the things
(35:33):
that are changing.
And and really happy about that.
And I guess, you know, let thatbe the point of that.
That, you know, this is notstuff that I I preach.
This is stuff that I use.
And that's why I teach it.
I use it and it's helped.
And so I teach it.
SPEAKER_02 (35:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's important.
And that's what we're hopefullydoing on this podcast in life,
working with people in theschool, is just the things that
we've learned, the things thatwe're still working on.
We're not, oh my God, we're notperfect or anything.
If we've found it helpful, thenwe we share it.
(36:12):
And hopefully it helps helpsyou.
A little moment of help, even inan hour-long podcast.
If there's a moment where yougo, Oh, oh yeah, that's that's
what's most important to us.
A little nugget.
Any questions?
No questions.
(36:33):
Nope, no questions today.
That's all right.
So again, wherever you'relistening to this, in the
description, there will be linksto contact us if you wish, links
to ask a question if you wishanonymously, links to sign up
for our school.
Anything else, Les?
SPEAKER_00 (36:53):
Nope.
Nope.
SPEAKER_02 (36:55):
He's going to the gym.
Get those deadlifts in.
SPEAKER_00 (36:59):
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (37:00):
All right.
Well, have a good day.
We'll see you later.
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