Surprise Superstars + Santana Moss TO THE MOON!!! | Command Center Podcast | Washington Commanders | NFL

Get Your Commanders Tickets Here: https://bit.ly/3SpwKU3     LIVE SHOW!!! Friday | June 20th | 7:30 PM | The Muni   The crew breakdown what OTAs are really like as an NFL athlete. They discuss the importance of participating in minicamp and why some vets skip OTAs. Then, they breakdown how Adam Peters builds roster depth and which position groups the media is overlooking. Finally, the fellas get invested in the 2025 season by debating who is going to the moon (and who got that doge in them).   Hosts: Logan Paulsen, Santana Moss, Fred Smoot   Producer: Jason Johnson

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
On today's episode The Command Center Podcast, we talk OTAs,
what's the purpose, why are we here, what's the difference
between that a mini camp. We get into that in
great depth, and then we talk about the importance of
depth and how this team has built it.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
And then we go to the moon.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
We got the investment number one advisor right here, Santa Thomas.
He's gonna tell you players to keep it one in
twenty twenty five. It all starts right right now. Welcome
to The Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here with
Fred Smoot and Santanamos Night and we are in the
bubble because it's media day today and they are using

(00:35):
our normal studio for a special surprise for you fans,
which we're not gonna tip off here too much, but
it's something I think you're all gonna be ah.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
You gotta love about it.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, Yeah, they're gonna love it.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
I'm smiling out ready because you're gonna be really blown
away by the things this ownership group got planned for
the fans.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Man, we're really excited about it. And we also yeah
it is right. I mean, like I heard whispers about
I haven't seen it myself, but it sounds sounds exciting.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
All right, Now that we've talked about why we're in
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Speaker 3 (01:15):
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Speaker 1 (01:18):
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Speaker 3 (01:27):
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Speaker 2 (02:33):
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Speaker 4 (02:37):
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home a right hashtag.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
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Speaker 4 (02:47):
This one thing I think me and Tana and Logan
kind of got robbed from is not being able to
play in the Nation of Capitol with the Monuments is
the beckdrop that would have been unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, And I think about, well, every time I drive
by there, I'm like, how cool would it be to
play here?

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:03):
It kind of have you played in Chicago, friend? Yes,
it kind of reminds me of that feel, So did
you feel in the city in the city like and
it reposits the city city, So I think that would
be awesome. And again, you want it, we want it.
Make sure you support them. Go to Commanders dot com,
Black Backslash, New Stadium Now MIDI Camp is happening this week.

(03:23):
But we just finished OTAs, and I've been getting a
lot of questions about like what why are OTA is
a thing?

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:30):
And so today on today's show, we're going to spend
a big check of time talking about why OTAs are important.
So let's start with the first second of OTAs. What
happens when you guys walk in the building or these
guys walk in the building day one of OTA.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
So I had a question because you know we're here
before ot AS.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, that's a great point.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
So at that time that we're here, considered something different
than OTAs. Yeah, considered it more more so spring training
or see them hanging up, guys.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
So this is a good I'm glad you brought this
Upton because this is something we should talk about. So
when we played, I got one year of the old
collective Bargaining Agreement, and in that agreement, a player could
come in work out whenever they wanted, but a coach
could also come down to the weight room let's say,
and grab you and be like, hey man, let's put
your helmet on, put your shoulder pads on, We're going
to go do field work. So there was really no

(04:20):
restriction on what the coaches could and could not do
with the player. So after the new CBA player said,
we don't want to be as around as much. We
want to feel the pressure to be here for the
whole offseason. So we started with OTAs. So basically there's
Phase one O TAS, which is just lifting. You go,
you lift, you run, You'll do a little bit of install.
We're going to talk about this install portion in a second,

(04:42):
but basically, the offense goes to meetings, defense goes to lift,
and then halfway through you switch. You can only be
in the building for four hours. Then you go to
phase two and so now it's lifting, running, but on
the field, now coaches can be out there, so we
can run drills. I can catch football from the quarterback.

(05:03):
In phase one, you can't do that. Fred can play defense.
He can catch football's not from a quarterback, from his coach.
I think the hour restriction stays at four hours, so
it's still pretty tight.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Window in the building.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
And then you get to phase three, which is what
was that last week, and that's a full blow.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
You could do everything. Nothing you cannot touch. It's kind
of mental, it's kind of getting into shape. It's kind
of a litt bit of everything. I think when you
get guys back in the building, I think he's just
reintroducing the environment back to them more than you out holding.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Them accountable, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
And I think that's a great point because it's really
the way they try to structure it is to kind
of slow roll it. You can see it and how
they structure it. You got no football, you got sun football.
Four hours in the building for phase one and phase two.
Then phase three is ratching up six hours in the building,
more meeting time, more lifting, more football. And the idea
is that it's kind of like getting into a warm bath.
You know what I mean, We're gonna slowly turn the teen,

(06:00):
but you're up so you're comfortable with those more extreme environments.
But I think the other question I want to ask is,
so like when you come in and I think you
could probably relate to this, when you come in for
that first day of the offseason, whether it's new CBA
or old CBA, what was that day like? And again,
oftentimes you're just lifting, But why is it important to

(06:21):
be around the guys?

Speaker 5 (06:22):
Well, that day for me was always different because honestly,
everybody don't get a chance to say, Okay, I'm finna
be ready by the time I come back. Most guys
take that little break and say I'm breaking. I'm really
finna get away from football. And by the time I
report for that Phase one, that's when I'm starting to
get back my insue, get back in states, get back

(06:43):
in shape, stage me myself.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
When the Super.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Bowl was over with, I was back at home working
out with the guys that was trying to get drafted.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
I was at the University of Miami making sure that
I'm out there with that group, getting those guys ready,
to getting myself ready. So I've always took on that
first day back different. Now. At one point in my career,
after being in the league now veteran, I think I
got to year eight, somebody told me ten to take
a break, and I swear I was so pissed that

(07:13):
I listened to them because I felt like, you know, what, crap,
and it was so hard to come in here and
in day one try to get in shape every day
of the week, when guys have already been in shape,
or you got younger guys that's now you know, that's that's.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Been brought in.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Brother, there's free agency or rookies from last year who
are now in their second year that's running there behind
you know, I mean running their behinds.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Off, and you got to keep up with them.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
So you know, like I said, I had two periods
where the first period of my early part of my
career I came in shape, and then that that two
years when I took that time off, I didn't come
in into shape, and I told myself, I'll never do
that again.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
I think it's more it's the players.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
For me, Were you in shape when you came in?

Speaker 3 (07:57):
I was so scared. I never really got out of shape.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Like did you so, I know, Tanna what you say
after the Super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, sort of working out.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
So I was kind of the same thing.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
I take three weeks after season, you start doing some
lights up and start getting back into training.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Did you take a long break or.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (08:12):
It depends on what that year did to me. Was
I injured that year? Did I get hurt? Am I
limping into the off season? Like I think, it's so
many other variables that we don't want to talk about
because they's just say we go in, we made it.
We had a good successful year, but I made it
out truly healthy. Now I don't really ever have to
stop working out. I don't have to work as hard,
but I just kept it continued. Like Tanna said, once

(08:35):
you out of shape, it's just hard to get back
into shape. And then just because you in shape, don't
mean you at a higher level in shape that you
need to be.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
It's different shades of in shape.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
I would never let myself cut outside the lines to
the point where I had to, Like I never showed
up and Kemp had to lose five pounds, Like I
never showed up and looked out of shape. So I
just felt like it was too hard to get there,
so it's not gonna go backwards.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
I think that's a good point because even though Ota
started what like five.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Six weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, yeah, Like these dudes have been training probably the
whole offseason. Like I've got a couple of NFL clients
that I trained and they start I mean, it's kind
of the same thing Tenna was saying three maybe four
weeks after the season, and they're going right back because
they understand that it's super important. So I think a
lot of fans hear that and they say, oh, they
don't start training until this day. If you're a good
pro man, and like, it's good doing the show with

(09:28):
you because Tanna, you're one of the best smooth obviously
your baller. Like when you talk to people who have
done it at a high level, like they're training almost
year around.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, you have to you have to do that. But
I think it's a th in line. And this is
what you're gonna have to gauge. Am I pushing myself
too far too early? I do I need to cruise
in there? That's that th in line? Did I think
you have to run up against.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
But some guys know their bodies and like if you
have a guy who's a dude athlete, artist life like myself,
and there ain't no days when you want to take
off because you used to just football, track or whatever
it may be.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
You know what I'm so, that's what happens to me.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
Like you know, you get away from the college time
and you say, okay, now, now, yeah, exactly. Now, I'm
just a football player. I don't have to worry about
getting ready for track. But my body is hungry for something,
so I can't just sit around and sitting around with me.
Sitting around for me would have been just finding myself
doing some other stuff that maybe you might like more
than I been. Like you, right, extracurricular stuff. You know

(10:25):
what I'm saying, Boy, I gotta have a little like
you do. I always carved that out for the weekend.
I'll always tell myself Friday, Saturday, I'm gonna have some fun.
Sunday I'm a mile down. I'm win, I'm gonna wind
it down so money I'll be. I'll be shop and
ready to go come money time, working out, you know,
workout time. So yeah, I just think it's all about
that individual. And like you said, you don't you never

(10:46):
let yourself go. So certain guys different struggle with different folks.
I've seen guys that who they.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Don't I say that I had.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
I wasn't in shape far far as how I felt, breathing, wise,
running and stuff like that. I wasn't to the point
of where, damn, look how that boy look? You know
what I'm so that's some guy we don't see.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
You know what happens.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
There are guys that use OTA's as the time to
get in shape. But I'd say most of the guys
that I'm familiar with right like that I played with,
they were in shape for OTA because you want to
look good. It's and people say, oh, it's just practice,
but it is. It's to me.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
For me as a player, it was the start of
the evaluation process.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
The camera is in the air, they watch you, Hey,
they watch you all right, And no point. I was
always told by somebody that played twenty plus years in
the league, don't put no bad feedom out there.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I don't care how small, do not put bad feel.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
And so even for like the conditioning, I remember, you
come in and you look bad, like let's say, so
this is an example. So if Tanna comes in and
Tanna never did this. But hypothetically, if someone of Tennet's
caliber came in and looked bad in conditioning, he's okay,
oh we will get you in shape. Strength coaches dap
you up, will be all right. But if a guy
like me, who's kind of a bottom half of the
roster guy came in and was in bad shape, like
they might just cut me on the spot and be like,

(11:57):
hey man, no, no, no, like you're not this isn't that.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
You don't love enough.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
So even though it is just it's like a ramp
up period, it means different things for different people.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I just think it means a lot for all of us.
Like you said, let's stretch on, gonna stretch itself out.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
But that's why good and safe thing for you though,
I think also to the coaches used that to see
who are the real pros, who are the guys we
can trust that when they get away from us, they
out there doing that business. And now, you know, I
see this guy come in like, okay, he was already
on the bubble, and then you come in looking like
you can't keep up, you know what I mean? So
I think that's a you know, and I think a
period where they say, look, we're gonna evaluate these guys

(12:33):
on how good they can handle time away from doing
something that they have to do, you know, because you know,
most of the guys who are good are the guys
that's playing or working on their craft outside of you know,
the eyeing the sky.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
I also think that it's an advantage goes to especially
I noticed the guys that we stay here, Like I stayed.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Here in the offseas. I didn't.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
I didn't go nowhere, So it wouldn't for me to
pop up here and nobody's here and just hang around
because I live here every day. And I think that
the edge goes to the guys that live locally year round.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
It's your point, Fred about it always being evaluated. I
remember we had a conditioning test in twenty thirteen down
at Richmond, the first year were down there, and it
was a beast of a conditioning test. It was like
forty five second playing. We get into a run and
ray Wright gets up in front of the whole team.
He's like, hey, guys, you know, for feeling a little
bit tight, fore a little bit whatever. No one needs
to be a hero today, Like, let's just make sure
we're ready for practice tomorrow. And so I was like,

(13:28):
that's that's a trap if I remember it.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
For me.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
So I so I gutted that thing out.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
My back was cramping up, my hamstrings were all tight,
and two guys were like, oh, like they tapped out.
I would be damned if as they're walking off the field,
the head scouts like you and you come with me?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Cut them on the spot, reaper. Yeah, on the spot, man.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
And this all I say is this.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
If the red light is on and I'm being recorded,
I'm just gonna give you my bit.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Never, that's I think that's the way to look at it.
Never take the coaches.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
Are watching you break, got them. I remember remember that
you remember doing a plant? Like boyd don fall for
the bananas. You quit now you're gone.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Like you meet a dude, you're introduce and this is
my girl.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Oh I'm not a threat, yes you No, I'm not
leaving my girl around the rock.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
So anytime the lights on, it's uh, you gotta be
paying at tenke some time.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
But I also think, like and Fred, you've talked about
this a ton, and so that you talk about it,
you've talked about it like it's so important this time
of year to kind of build those relationships strengths, and
I think that's again this is where the team. The
team isn't established it, but this is where it starts.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
This is the floor.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
If you cannot build a house without a foundation like
this found like this is when you become especially when
you got a guy like Lara matomsaon who just getting here.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
You got guys free agency, you got guy this rookies, This.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Is how you really get to know I can't call
this a brotherhood if I don't know my brother, Like
this is the time I get to know lift things
about him. I get to know his family, I get
to know his kid's name, I get to hang out
with him away from the football field. And this is
when this and this what took us so far last year.
I think these guys really had a real brotherhood. I

(15:18):
am my brother's keeper. And to get that you literally
had to spend time with them, and all that time
can't be with a him and the show to pass on.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, and that starts out, but I think so obviously
there's stuff between players which is obvious, like we're gonna
work out together and we're gonna like you know, we're
gonna eat lunch together.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
I just got here.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Tell me where I should move? Could you tell me?
I like this type of food, where's the best food?
But there is the small things.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
But I also think to that point, Fred, like, it's
also like with the coaches too, Like I'm gonna build.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
A relationship with the strength coach.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
I'm gonna start having conversations with my position coach if
I'm new to the team, right, Yeah, this is where
all of that starts. Yeah, And so again, I think
it's nice that it's kind of a gradual build.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Up, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
It's like, hey, here's an hour and a half of
your position coach, an hour with your position coach, Like,
get to know how that vibe works. So it's not
only the players, which is important, it's the It's something
I think that Dan does a good job of. It's
the it's the players all the way.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Up to the top. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Like Dan's building relationships now too. Yeah, and that's so important.
And like you guys worked with Gibbs.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
You were with Gibbs. Yeah, we was with Gibts.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, And like what you guys told me is that
he was really good at, like building those.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
He knew people, he knew how to let people be
them by yet and I also know how to set
a standard high.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
And be demanding at the same time.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
Most of the good coaches have a way of doing
things that's gonna get you to you know, have those
bonding moments or periods where even if you wasn't cool
with going out with your teammates, you're gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
You're gonna do it.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
Because we had the bowling thing with Mike Shanahan. Remember
we want were on to bowling alley, but we was
also individually every room did something on their own, you
know what I mean, and so like like like me
and Fred always talked about just the gambling part of it.
I mean, you might look at it and say, you
know it's wrong or they shouldn't be, but it's bonding
bond I mean you I've seen guys leave practice, come

(17:02):
to my house and play cards and go back to
practice the next morning because.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
They've been over there the whole entire day and night.
We don eight, we don't order food. You know.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Some guys took a break and went in there on
my living room and conversation on the couch went to sleep,
like you know what I mean. So you get a
chance to really get to know somebody after just sitting
there bonding with them, playing cards or doing whatever, shooting nice.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
It's a simple thing like the ping pong table, like
it is, oh the ping pong. It's just so many
small things that you could point to and say this,
this is what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, and so you know, I guess the other thing
people ask me is like, what, like what do you
get your playbook?

Speaker 2 (17:33):
And you'd get it on.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
That phase one because you are a meeting with the coach,
right you have it. You start going over the stuff
and so let's start talking about like installs.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I think that's important for you go understand.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
And so for for me phase one, when I was
playing part of the new CBA and you were there
for a little bit ten, you had what three years,
four years with the new CBA because it was an
eleven right.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
When did it come in?

Speaker 5 (17:52):
It was eleven eleven, So yeah, I had eleven twelve
thirty four four years.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
And so they give your playbook, you start going through stuff,
and people say, what's an install look like? And so
for the offense. I can't speak to the defense, but
we go over like day one is like the most
boring meeting. It's like, here's the cadence, here's how you
line up in the huddle, here's how we call a play.
Here are the formations. We don't even saw plays. It's
like just the formations.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Then you go into the in your position room and
you talk about formations and you're like, I know this,
I got this, I got this, you know what I'm saying.
But like it's they really try to walk you out, but.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
They have to ride because I think you're looking at
it as a Venturan.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
It's another young person in his room to have a
hand it.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
And I was gonna say that's the point though, it
was like they basically have to every time they do
an install, it has to be for the lowest common
denominator of the room. Yeah, which is the new guy,
new guy, the rookie, the free agent, whoever it is,
And how is it for defense?

Speaker 3 (18:42):
They do the same thing, very very similar.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
The thing about it is covering for is covering four,
covered three is covered three, COVID two is covered two.
Now what they will do is say they just started
to get philosophy as a coordinator, this is my philosophy.
With Mike Toumley, he was like, all he led them
to the ball. We played cover two. It's a shale
the shell. When I'm playing for Marvin Lewis with we
are blitzing team, we're gonna do more zone blisters than

(19:06):
were other teams.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Be ready to cover man the man, be ready to
run to the ball.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Like philosophy is what the coordinators get it if it's
in tins coordinator like.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
UH coach Williams. Greg Williams, he fin the rad of
cages like that's his thing, Like he would get up
there for.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Me, freshman, you need to tackle more this year. We're
gonna be focused on you tackling more.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
He did that in the first meeting. First meeting. Wow,
But he imagine.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
He's actually gonna do it to the people he know
one that could take it, that could take it. Two
if they high ranked in the room, that's who he
wants to go to.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
So now everybody else in.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
The tone he says, so basically, if you a guy that's,
like I said on the bubble, one of those lower
end guys. If I'm calling out my stars, then you
got no, you got no choice but to take what
I'm giving you.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
And then we just taking it.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
It ain't like we were just taking all right, coach, I.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Got you what?

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Also, like you know that he's doing that too, Yeah,
I know why. It kind of reminds me like the
Bill Belichick to say.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
Bill, it sounded like Bill Belichick all over again, like.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
He's calling out Tom Brady so that everyone knows that
they they can get called out with the community.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
So when people say, oh, well, like does it change,
Like so if you've been in the same system here
on here, does the install change And in my experience
it doesn't really. I will say it changes a little
bit because the offense grows.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Up, say layers, they add they add pieces to you
know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
Yeah, but the whole the whole terminology factor for a
guy who's been there is like, Okay, this added a
new wrinkle, you know what I mean? Okay, you got
that in there and not Oh so now Logan could
actually line up here and beat up be the point
guy on this bunch.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Oh okay, you want me the inside. It's just you know,
and that's letting you know that that's when you know.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
A coach or officer coordinator is comfortable with everybody knowing
the system a little.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Bit, and you got to have some continuity to do that,
meaning yeah, we are and to what we did last year.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Well, even if there's no continuity, like one of the
one of one of the ones I remember just for
the reason is we had a formation. It was called
north right clamp and basically it was like a kind
of a stug formation. The tight end and the fullback
were off the ball in the wing, yeah, and the
receivers were in a bunch. And so every time we
called the player, be like north right clamp eighteen force.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
North right clamp right.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
And so we came back the next offseason and that
formation went from north right clamp to just clamp, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
So to like, yeah, short vers, let us play a
little bit faster.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
And I think that's like where the coaches it's the
same offense, but we got a little bit wrinkler. Maybe
on flag we're gonna change the landmark on the corner.
It's the same concept, but we've they the coaches have
gone the off season, they studied the film, they made
a tweak, So there are some changes but on the
whole it's the same. And I think that's one of
the reasons why, like Kyle, Kyle and Sean used to

(21:45):
both say this, it takes three years to learn an offense.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
People say that's a long time, But what they mean
by that is.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Like to get every DT motions alignment position, like I
had to know like on certain like combinations when I
was the point man in bunch, Like let's say it's choice,
Like usually on paper it's a three yard split, I'm choice.
We wanted to be a five yard splat so Tanny
could see the choice a little bit.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
And so even though it's.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
The same concept learned like now in year two, I know, hey,
I got to wide out in this concept. So it's
the same installed like on the whole, but there are
subtle tweaks here and near same thing with the defense.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
They had the same thing with the defense. They add
a little bit more to I played. If something that
they thought was gonna work the year before it and
then it didn't work, they're gonna tweak it and say,
we can't play cover too flat anymore. We need London,
we need the middle lineback of the run with number three.
Because all year round number three were getting open. I
was stopping right in the curve. So we would we
would we would actually start to fit the coverages to.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
The players we had.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
If you know what I mean, Let's say I got
a range, you guy like Sean Taylor in the middle
of the field. I know only I never go I
never run out the post anymore. Like I should tell
a guy they be like, why are you on these comebacks?
Because he in the post?

Speaker 3 (22:57):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (22:58):
You got more time?

Speaker 1 (22:59):
And I think that's an interesting thing too, is because
like the coaches come into OTAs, which is what we're
talking about, with an idea of what they want to be, right,
So there's one kind of off season retooling, but then
going into training camp there's another retooling, and then after
the first four games there's another retooling because they, yeah,
the personnel is a little bit different.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
It changes a little bit different.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Like I'm trying to think of a good example, Like
I think I feel like this happened to you, Tanna,
Like you were expected to have a certain role and
then your role grew as the year went on because
you're winning your one on ones, and like that's good coaching.
It's basically saying like we thought this thing, actually it's this,
And I think that that's again with the installs, it's
always changing. It's always evolving to fit the personnel, which

(23:42):
I think is incredibly incredibly important. Now you talked about
team chemistry, Fred, and I think team this is a
great time to build team chemistry. But obviously there's a
couple of guys you aren't here. You know, Terry's on here,
Laramie's not here. Laramy showed up today at how good
does he look?

Speaker 3 (23:59):
By the way a mountain that runs? Yeah, you're saying
to me, Tana, he looked athletic. He don't look like
an off of the line.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
He's got like twitched up legs and those are and
calves those out of tackles that it's hard to beat.
Like every time I see a tackle with with with
what I call linebacker.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Legs, Yeah they are linebacker legs.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like, all right, that's a
pasts block right there.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
He he looks built up. He looked like a man's maen.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
So I played with him in Houston, so I wasn't
wrap him up and I forgot like just how well
it's not even it's just like he's solid. Yeah, you
know you hug you'll like hugging offensive lineman and it's
like there's some soft spots. Yeah, it felt like you're
hugging a brick. Yeah, the mean like, oh.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Oh no, he looks to part like he get off
the bus first, please, sir.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
That's what you want when you're going to play a game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
So obviously really excited Laramie's here for for a minatory
mini camp. But you know with Terry, Marshawn and some
other guys have miss days here and there.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Well, first of all, let's be honest us as players,
we don't get into other people beings. When it comes
about you know it's time to get pay, you go
handle it now, you go handle.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
It locker room, especially someone like Terry the locker.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Room is always quiet and got his back and be
like no, handy, you'll be in this. And the other
two guys they was from other teams. We don't know
they out season.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
I was about to say, like I think that's something
that maybe people sleep on. Is like I'm not paying
a different reg I'm not throwing this guy under the bus,
but like Trent under new CBA. Williams did not come
to OTAs. He just didn't come. He'd come to the
mandatory mini camp.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
But he also had a trainer. And this the thing,
like some guys are just comfortable with the people they train.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
And they and I don't have a problem with it.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Like basically, if you're ready, if that's how you get
ready for the season, you're going to be a Pro
Bowl left tackle great Like DeShawn used to miss stuff too.
He used to miss voluntary OTA's right, and so when
he'd show up for Mini caamp, he'd be in amazing shape.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah you catch every ball and you're like, okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
And now like again, I coach a couple of guys
that are playing for different teams, so I'm not sure
they do it here. But now with all the Zoom
stuff that came out of COVID, Like I was training
a guy the other day and he was like, oh,
I actually got to bounce it too because I got
a Zoom meeting with my coach to go over the install.
So he's down here, coaches in different state and he's
gonna have a meeting to do the install. So we again,
we don't know, but they might they might be meeting with.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
But I heard, I heard when the coaches speaking said
that my Shan is being caught up on all the
formations and all the coverages and stuff like that, so
he does talk to them. I'm not sure if it's
a zoom with just a phone conversation, but one I
believe it was.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Joe spoke about it.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Joe Junior spoke about it the other day that that
day in contact with my Sean and they going over
everything that's being installed. So he's called up to speed mentally,
it just to be a bout what he's doing. Physically,
they don't know because they can't see it, but they'll
see it once he come in.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, so from like a mental standpoint, not that worried
about it. From a physical standpoint, and not that worried
about it. But you know, Fred, you talk about how
important this is for team chemistry and bonding. Yeah, And
I don't want to put you on the spot, but like,
does it hurt that they're not here?

Speaker 2 (26:52):
It feels like no, but like.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
It's like this is not a big thing, but come on,
it all would be good. If we was hitting for
one hundred percent, it'd be great. But no, like I said,
because I don't know the off season routine.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
I don't know they train.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Like you said, if he shows up, he's a Pro
Bowl left tackle, who cares what he's doing doing ot
as Now would it be helpful? Yes, I'm just not
gonna make a big deal out of it.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
But also I think too, like one of the things
that we've that Dan's talked about is building this culture.
We've got Bobby Wagner, We've got zach Ertz, We've got
these other guys here.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
So when someone who hasn't been here.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, shows up, now we've got the culture that can
bring him in real Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
I totally understand.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
But we don't know Jim because he's ain't here on me,
he not communicating with teammates, not communicating with the coaching staff,
not accent the guys in the caffetereer.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
What should I you know?

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Like, you just don't know how much connectivity that it
is between these guys and what's really going.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
And the other thing people sleep on is sometimes it's
actually better when the veterans aren't there, Like when Julio
wouldn't come in Atlanta, all the young guys reps. So
Julio came in and was ready to roll. But while
he was gone, like all the young guys getting reps.
So you're getting guys better. So I look at Tremos
and like with Marshall Nunn here he's got to learn
the whole thing a little bit. Just more reps, gets

(28:07):
more practice. And I think that speaks really nicely to
the next thing, right, which is in the offseason program,
like how do you build your depth? And there's a
multitude of different ways to do that for agency, trades, draft.
So looking at this offseason, looking at the OTAs is
how has this team built its depth?

Speaker 3 (28:28):
I think they did it fifty to fifty.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
They did it through free agency, and they did it
through draft and Will they drafted Will. Last year they
had another draft. I think this year it's going to
arrive with a one from last year. And I think
what they really did do for the last year and
a half they made sure the free agents that they
brought in here a top tier free agency. Yeah right,
when you look at when we gave up draft picks

(28:52):
for free agents, one of the best left tackles in football,
like marshau kasists his top corner in the league since
in the league and Deebo Samuels a Swiss sum and
k if they could do a little bit of everything
brings an edge to your tape, I mean, to your team,
and bring some I dinity to your team.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
I thought they just did a good job.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
But when we say we're going to sacrifice something, we
gotta get something back.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
And this is what they did, yees, something that we
haven't done in the past. I think, you know, I
spoke about this a while back. For so long this
organization was based on the name of the guy instead
of how he fits this team scheme. And then you
look at it now the last two years, you know
what I mean, We've been hitting on all ceilingers, were
getting the right kind of guy to fit a need

(29:35):
or fit a void. So I think it's tremendous just
having that kind of leadership in the front office of
AP and his staff just knowing, Hey, this is what
we need to do, so our guys can go out
there and do what they do. Our coaching staff can
go out there and lead his team in the right direction.
Again by making sure and even when you get rid
of a guy that you probably didn't want to get
rid of John Allen, you go out there and replace

(29:56):
him with another Kenlaw, somebody who's capable of filling that
boyd or maybe even showing showing more with his youth,
you know what I mean. I'm not sure how far
im removed he is from John's age, but you know
you got Newton to yeah, you still have.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Young talent day.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
So I just think it's tremendous though, just seeing how
they went out there and say, this is the groceries
we have to pick, and we're gonna pick the best,
best pieces of fruit, best pieces of vegetable to make
sure that you know, our gives is high in protein.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I think the other thing that I look at too
is and Fred's mentioned this a bunch is the development
actually too. So not only did they go out and
find good people, but I look at Jean Baptiste and
the Ota practice size, I look at McGee and the
Shape's and yeah, Hamilton, I look at some of these other.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Pieces, titler Owens, all of these os.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
It's a great pool and they look to be like
guys that haven't taken that step yet but could very
well do that.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Go to the next level.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
And I think everybody that they brought in has another
gear that he can go. I think everybody has another
gear they can go.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Which is again, like I think is when youhen you're
talking about Team Billion and I know we're like hyping
the team up and we're excited obviously, but.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
They earned this.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
They earned this, Like like last year, at the beginning
of last year, everybody was kind of afraid to believe,
and now that they went out and showed us, we're
kind of afraid to keep talking about it, Like it's
not realistic what they did. It's realistic. This is who
this team is, This who this fan base is. You
got a quarterback, you got a leader in coach Quinn,

(31:27):
you got a chance.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
I totally agree. I mean, how do you feel about
You feel good about that?

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Now I feel great about it. I think Fred hit
on the head last year was more so pitched myself.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
I don't believe. I need to see this being real.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
But now what it's said and done going into year two,
you have to understand, like, this is what those franchises
that you see consistently going in to the POS season
of Kansas City Baltimore. Yeah, you know, Buffalo, you know,
this is what we're trying to be. This we're trying
to be those guys that that that franchise, Like I
was talking about when it comes to the wins and
losses predicted, but if you showed me the same caliber play,

(32:03):
then we have a better chance of repeating what we
did last year than not. So that's what I'm about.
I'm loving the fact that now we have to get
out of that bad hook and cook that we was
in for so many years of just turmoil, just thinking
the worst about every situation. Just down because now you
see here, they they shows you what they have and

(32:24):
now it's up to them to go out and continue
to play that way. And what we have in our
staff and our coaching staff, I don't see them playing
the other way.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, and it's gonna be tough, but I think they've
made some really good decisions, like really good offseason acquisitions,
really good off season development strategies for certain guys. So
even though the schedule is gonna be challenging, the season's
gonna be more challenging, it's an exciting opportunity.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Well, another thing I thought.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
We could talk about is obviously depth is something that
people talk about a lot, but when a team is
building depth and this is something maybe you've experienced in
their scene, like when a team is building depth, like
do you want like you want the guy that's backing
up a dude to be different or do you want
it to be very similar to the guy that that's.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Ahead of them? And I think there's a I think
there's a multitude of ways to look at that.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
I say, I don't think it's a right or wrong way,
and it ain't.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
I was gonna say, I want consistency first and foremost,
but I won't mind having a different type of player
to fill in. I don't want the same I don't
want another Fred Smove when Freds move go down.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Would it be fair to say tanna like I was
thinking about it when when the producer Jason askeds this question,
and I was like, you just want dudes that can play.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
I don't care your load, your loads, you got the
skill set to play on this level.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
I don't I don't care about your shape.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
I don't care about anything about it because I think
if a variety brings up different chances for my coach
to keep us in the game.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
What if the matchup this.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Week ain't good for Fred Smooth, what if it's better
for a five eight corner to go against this dude,
Hey gold in there.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
I back up perfect example. You've been on this team.
We had pr starring at X. You didn't know some
some weeks we had Josh Morgan or Lennard Hankerson starting
at Z and then you had me coming in that gator.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
And then when we getting a get in one.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
Of those games, we need to you know, somebody need
to go and take the top off. We put all
in there at Z. So you had the consistency of play.
All those guys made plays. All of us made plays,
but you had a variety of body type challenge, you
know what I mean, Like skill sets. All our skill
sets was different. Josh Morgan was gonna run every route,
catch every ball. Pierre was gonna run every route faster

(34:29):
than everybody on your team.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Mean mug you.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
Doing They Ya caught everything, smooth route runnerknew the whole defense,
like you know, like the back of his hand.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
And then you had Al he just put him on
the field.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
He gonna he gonna take the top off every time,
every single time.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
It's funny because it sounds like you want.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Both, Yeah, we want both.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, you want because you want the consistent.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
You want the standard of player to remain the same
out who's in there, no matter who. It's also like
with the receivers. I think about it all the time.
It's nice to have different.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
Different body type, body type, skill sets all that.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
And I think about like defensive lineman for example, anybody
who's gonna win on one on one like as the offender.
So I think if defensive lineman is like the offensive element, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
You want different body types.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
You want to power rusher, you want a speed rusher,
but you want to make sure that you're getting production
from all of them across the boarder.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
And I want them to rush as a group.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
The best d lineman wants that Russia as a group,
not that rush independently. That's why I have these back
and forth me and be missed with talking today. I
have the back and forth with everybody about what's the
most important edge Russia.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Interior love this comer.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
I am interior Russia every week all day long.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Oh I just want a good pass rushing.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, yeah, I know it. But if you ask me
smooth when.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
You want to meet on your defense, give me a
one sound they let me cut inside.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
You know that's That's where it gets.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
It gets sketchy because you if you're getting that that
guy to have that pressure in his left Yeah, it
makes it hard.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
It makes it hard for.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Take Aaron Donald as much as I love Julius Peppers
and send me and Rice and all them Edges and
Michael Parss get me a hand done.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
You can give me somebody right up the middle.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
And I will say they because of their proximity to
the football, they can affect runs and pass the whole
game both ways. They can affect it right, So friend
might be honest something there. The other thing I wanted
to say was I forgot I was gonna talk about
We're talking about death right.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
We went depth, and we went the difference in the depth.
Do you want to consistent or do you want different?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
So that thanks Fred, I appreciate it because the thing
I was thinking about. But with offensive line, I want
the same. Yeah, I want them to be the same.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
I don't want different bodies. I want a whole bunch
of big, big, bigger.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
So I want them to fit my system and I
want them to all kind of be a certain type
of way.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
You know, I can see why you want the choir
almost choir fix where you want your baritones that all hell,
these deep voices, you know what you want them to
be on the court. But you know that choir sound
good when you got like all these different well they
come to get he to make one sweet.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Sight for for sure, with a receiver.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
With running backs, I want some variety DB's, I want
some variety.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Even running back I want variety.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
But with offensive linemen, for whatever reason I want them.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
I'll pick up trucks. Yeah, I'll pick up trucks.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's exactly right. Okay, So this is one that Jason
Asa said. I think it's a really good question.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
What is your under the radar position group that got
better with depth.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Front the back?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Why?

Speaker 5 (37:26):
Well, first of all, when you look at what we
had last year alone, I think when you have a
b Rob, you have an Austin Eckler. Those two alone
they kind of like carried the low last year for
the most of the season a period of time, and
that we had to lean on the Rodriguez, we had
to lean on the Matt Nichols. So that was already
to me a pretty stout you know, running back room.

(37:47):
Then you add a guy in merit this year that
now you don't know what we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Do with all these guys.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
You know, these guys a fanna be they're gonna be
fighting claw every rush. So you look at that alone,
not knowing what's gonna happen come this season. That's a
beefy running back room. Because you want two or three
guys you can say we're good. We got four or
five guys that any one of those guys get a chance. Yeah,
they can kind of carry this team, you know what
I mean, carry it back for.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
So we saw him today.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, he's a running back. He's a dude. He's a
running back.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Big.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
I've always thought in my mind, you know, watching the
films cap back, cat back.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, but he's no, he's a big back. Yeah he's big.
And you know what I'm saying, Like, it's one.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
Thing of being back, but it's another thing when you
look like one, Yes, you can go out there and
stretch your stuff, but.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Then why I go linebacker?

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Right?

Speaker 4 (38:35):
You see la k Ma Dronald boy, you want to
talk about it. I think he's gonna be a steal.
When we look back three years from now, they're gonna
be like How did everybody pass on this guy in
the draft? You know it happens all the time that
what happened to Londey? Are you running four to three
and everybody passes on you? And today realize he a
yellow jacket is too late? I think add him to
that linebacker room. Uh, you know, Hampton goes back and

(38:58):
forth from from two linebacker and the young Key McGee, McGee,
Jordan McGhee. I'm very excited to see what he gots
to bring.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
To the table.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
And that's deep from last year's dram that we didn't
get to see.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Uh kind of mature.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, I think it's interesting that you guys both picked
positions where they did make additions, but a lot of
the depth from last depth developmental depth.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like you talked about it's almost like
we produced the segment.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Yeah, we talked about it four.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
But it's like you get a guy, a draft pick
that we're excited about in Madrano and merit.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
But then also you look at like the linebacker group.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
To me specifically, it's like Dominice Hampton at practice looks different. Yes,
he's a big physical dude, right, McGhee looks different, just
built like A and for fifteen and so you look
at that and I say, Rodriguez has gotten better.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Man, Nicholas is so consistent and.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
So Rodriguez like he trimmed up. Yeah, that's good, he's
trimmed up.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
You can always say when a guy looked good without
the pass on but in the uniform, yeah you know,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
But but again, like to your point, like what is
and how do you create that? I think those are
really good examples for me. I'm gonna say safety, I
knew you were gonna go, say, dude, it just feels
like there's not so much better.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
I think people don't know what we got in real hairs.
I know what we got in real hair.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Watching him at practice and again like this is a
little bit like because it's O t As, I don't
want to get too excited.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I want to keep it real.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
But like his ability to cover multiple positions a tight
end Slott like we were talking about it on the
on our on our live show and if you want
to watch you know O t A's or mini camp
with us, we do a live stream of practice where
we give our real time insights.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Make you check that out.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
It's on the stream and make sure you hit that
Q show that tickets through our show. We really appreciate it.
But basically like the flexibility he gives you.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
And with Kwan, yeah, they're both coverage guys and guess
what to an outfits? Where where are they coming from?
Like where are they coming from? You know where he's.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Going to be. He's almost like a position called joker.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
They both.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
You can pick and choose.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Like we had a point in our our career in college,
me and Reggie where he played X for so long
and we both knew each other position. I'm like, man,
I'm gonna go extra day just to change up the defense.
Was like, cause you watched all week loan me at
Zee off the ball and now I'm come into the game,
I'm on the ball and I'm I'm on the side
where there's no tight end. So now you get that
in a Kwan and you get that in a wheel hair.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Like these guys.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
Both heading the rock and roll, they can basically say, hey,
I got you can go down there and you know
what I mean, you match your well with that guy,
you go get them, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
What I mean.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Now that's gonna that's gonna cast some some loan none
for you to diagnose what we in Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
And I think it kind of again it fit's your
same philosophy right there.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Made a nice edition. This one was in the free.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Agency, adding depth that allows Percy Butler to be in
that third safety role.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
You look at Tyler Owens.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Man, that's who I I think.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
But like, but we talk about guys that could develop.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Tyler Owens is this dude this He's one of these
on every team where I know, if I get hurt,
I never might get my job back.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I love that, you love that feeling that you're describing.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
But you know what I'm talking about, right, and every
team has one of these, dude that I'm about the bus.
I'm like, I'm right there at the cuffs. Now, just
let me be great and DN that injury happens to the.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Dude in front of him. And now the trading, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
It happens, it happen, never gets the job back. And
so there's him, there's Revos back.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, Revote Steel there.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
And they've got some young guys that I'm really excited about.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
You know, Ben Nichols is that freaky tester kid from
Iowa State, A couple of years ago they got the
kid from Jackson State that they signed the UDFA who
looks he looks like Jeremy Chitt on the field. Yeah again,
I'm not saying he's gonna be that guy. But they've
got some interesting death pieces. I think Tyler Owens could developed.
I love the additional Will Harris. So those are kind
of my uh I think sneaky under the radar editions.

(42:52):
All right, now it's time to play a game. We
always love games on the show, and this one's called
to the Moon, right, and our guy Santana is a
big investment guy. Yeah right, So we're gonna use our
commander's coins to invest in the future. And if you
got you guys don't know this about Tanna, but Tanna
is locked in when it comes to investments. Man, he's

(43:13):
always got the next big thing of real estate.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Here.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
This guy's doing this, this bitcoin is doing that. He's
locked in. So maybe we'll start with you, Tanner.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
So we got three categories. We got blue Chip, blue Chip,
by the Dip, and Diamond hands.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Okay, so those are the different coins we're using.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
All right, you don't make a lot of money out
of blue Chip, because it's already, it's always it's always
it's too late to buy. If you're talking about making it,
it's funning me.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
You know, too late. You should have got in ago.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
So you got described those blue Chip is a large
or establishing sound.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
It's the McDonald's already, it's like that. How would you
describe Coca Cola.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Fortune, Fortune, Fortune, five hundred sp walmart S and P five.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
That's why Tennis our guy. So if n do you
wanna do you want to start us off?

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (44:03):
So you know, off the top, and I'm hoping I'm
getting to the way Jason, you know designed this. You say,
if I want to spend some money and I'm gonna
go blue Chip, who's the guy who's the for show guy?
And I can't you know, I know we haven't talked
about him being here right now, but if I have
to relyow on anybody, a blue Chipper would be my

(44:24):
Terry mcclaurin.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
I'm you're gonna put that coin down even though he's
out here right now.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Yeah, yeah, because I know he'll because he gonna be
that's look at this guy, like your investment guru.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Who's the guy with the Butcher sound take it to
the bank.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
Command is without seventeen out there on the fist. Yeah,
he's the commanditary. So that would be my blue chip guy.
I just feel like I'm a receiver. It's only right
for me to pay homage to a guy who I
feel like, by the time he's done, he's gonna be
arguably one of the better receivers that ever came through
this building. As a draft pick, you know what I
mean to be drafted here by this organization. I think
right now he's already in the top four or five

(44:59):
when it comes to consecutive you know, a one thousand yard
seasons and just being consistent every year, year and years.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
We're talking about Tann That just it feels it feels
like the right investment.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Yeah, the right one. I mean, I can't, I can't
lose it.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
I go to sleep at night and oning Terry's there.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Good, good over there. I'm gonna invest mine and Daniels Coin.
I'm down best Mine and Daniels Coin.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
You know you're frying Applestock right now, because.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
I believe that, you know, the ultimate force multiply, he's
the guy that changes everything, you know what. The quarterback
just The quarterback is the face of a franchise. The
quarterback is the soul of a franchise. A quarterback is
the reason that you always know, I got a chance
to win every game, no matter what game win. If
you got a quarterback, you got a chance. I'm going

(45:45):
JD five Daniel Coin right now.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
And I also think because of what the staff's done
to support him. Right, Offensive lineman, playmakers are those positions.
Year or two we talked about insul and offense.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
He's it's similar to when Apple dropped the iPhone. When
Apple dropped the iPhone, they took seventy of the singular
phone mobile share and they did it in less than
a year.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah, no, I think that's I love both those. I'm
gonna go a little bit, a little bit maybe off
the beaten pack, but I think this is one hundred
percent bootship. One hundred percent is Terron Pain.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Oh Pa, I think you could have had it year.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I think he's just I think John's gone. And this
is not a knock on John, but think about your
entire career, man, Like, if you've played with Reggie your
entire career.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
You'll be ready to break up.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, you're behind, but you know.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
What's so crazy, and I don't want to cut you off.
I was gonna use.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
Him for the for the buying and dip dude, because
I feel like he could finish eat both of those.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yeah, that's that's a great.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
That's why I was on the fence. Is he a dip?
Is he a guy?

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Ye feel like because of the shape that he's in,
watching him at practice, watching his conditioning, like the way
the coaching staff's talking about him like they're gonna feature him,
and when you feature him, like he might not have
eleven sacks, but he's gonna be disruptive as all outdoors.
They're gonna let him just go and he's gonna if
he plays a three technique man, yeah, he could be devastating.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Do you feel like he's basically Bobby Brown into a dish?
He just he was good with him, but he needs
to go out by and again.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
And people say always that because John was was and
it's and it's because like, imagine if I was with
a guy older than me, you're always going to defer
to that guy, and so now he's gone and it's
your room. Like hearing their coach tap talk about him,
it's like He's the alpha.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
It's his thing.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
And when people start talking about a guy that is
a physical freak as being the alpha in a room,
I'm like, he's got to be ready to rock.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Ye. So, and it might be a little dippish.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
The only reason I would say it's dippish because of
Super Yeah, he was already a couple of years ago
he was the guy, and then last year was a
little quiet season from still played goury just to have
the sacks that we normally used to him having. So
you know, when I'm in the stock market and I'm
seeing stocks that as good and they dip and I bam,
I'm bound when they didn't have the great year, a
great or a great quarter. So that's that's why he

(48:05):
fits in that binding deal. But he's still one of
those stocks where I can honestly see that.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
I think that more speaks to how confident I am
and he's gonna be good, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I mean, that's why I'm so confident.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
All right. So now we're talking about buying the dip.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
So yeah, and Tanny, you just alluded to it, well,
buying the dip. Yeah, Hey, maybe a bad year last year,
one hundred percent, But I got faith, but they're they're
shooting into the moon.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yes, we're gonna make a lot of money on this.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
This is way you make money. Yeah, this makes money.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
I was, I would say, and the guys there, I
hate this looking at the sheet and being able to say,
but it's it's there, my seam, I say, I'm.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
He's one of those guys. He fit just like le
Ron payin. Talent is there, production is what's there.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
It's just didn't get the same output that you've seen
quarters and years before. It wasn't bad that you knowing
you didn't see Marshawn a lot of more out there.
You just say I didn't get that same You know
what I mean? You know I didn't get the same
dividend back.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
You understand.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
Look with the words so going coming forward, Yes he's
not here, but I know Marshan Anamore. I don't know
him personally, but I've seen Marshan Anamore every year play
for the New Orleans Saints and this is the same
thing he did over there.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
He was home getting it getting it done.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
So I predict a guy and Marshawn to be ready
when it comes to be ready.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
And he understand what they're building around. He he loved
what he.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
Saw when he came here last year, so I know
he's gonna be ready. So I would buy the differ
on him, knowing that he's a guy that has the potential,
Like we said.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Earlier to the moon Baby, especially if healthy.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
That's the key, this key, Just say healthy. Do y'all
remember the cornerback to Lee.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Lee.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
You know he was known for like taking people change,
but his next dude and I'm bud to deal with
snatch changed to defao Sam.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
All right, I'm going with Debo.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
It's a good one because I know athletes, and the
first thing don't ever do to athlete is tell him
they either lost the step, tell us we can't do it.
That's when we go all out of our way to
prove you you was wrong that when a team breaks
up with us, we don't care if it was admitable,
if we both agreed this need to happen, you wouldn't

(50:12):
a believer anymore. So now I have to go out
here and showed the world who I am and what
I can do. Oh and by the way, you gave
me a better office line than I hate. You gave
me a better quarterback than I have. I gotta actually
a number one.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
A over here.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
They're gonna keep the coverage away from me. This situation
is better for me.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
And you know what's funny is Tanna and I talked
about Kyle Shanahan all the time, like watching how he
was used in that offense.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
I think he's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
More productive in this offense, yes, most because it's a
They're gonna find ways to get him the ball early
and often, yep, quick quick gains, and he's.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Gonna be explosive and do it he does best. Yeah.
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
I just think, like you said, better situation, better quarterback,
better old line, And I think this.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I love that offense in San Francisco. Yeah, I just
think this offense.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
This is our office is a tad bit more article.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Yeah, so I'm really excited for that.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
So for me, this is a weird one because I
kind of feel like it's ascending a little bit, But
it's javon kinlaw for me.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
And I just think the reason I'm so confident is
I saw him warm up the other day and if
you've seen this man in person, the move, you cannot
not be excited about he is a giant human being.
But the other thing I look at is Dan Quinn,
Joe Wood, Junior Tap and Ryan Kerrigan and they just
seem to have the Midas touch when it comes to

(51:32):
getting the.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Most out of no matter who they are.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
And when I watch the highlights of kin Law, I
watched the explosiveness, the burst, the ability to run stuff down,
the power. I'm like, if they can get this dudeist
going in the right direction, man, I'm gonna be rich
off this investment, right Like, That's the way I look
at it. And I'm relying on the coaching big time here,
but I trust this you Yeah, Okay, all right, So

(52:00):
now we got diamond hands.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
So this is one you just gotta gotta hold on.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
You got a hold on team.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
It's it's it's a little bit different than by the
depth because they haven't shown you anything yet.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah, but you're confident that stock's gonna hit.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yeah, so be patient.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
So you know, diamond hands remind me of just in
that era when we were talking about game stock and
a AMC. You know what I mean, It matter how
how the business was, check it. I'm holding on because
something going on here is unusual. And I'm gonna say
that with my got Coleman. I like the fact that
we went out and got we got this guy. Like
that we got this guy in the draft, got this
guy in draft last year and first year year one,

(52:34):
he went out there and played to us out of
position a little bit.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I'm gonna go and be a left tackle. Now.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
Could you imagine a rookie with a task of having
the blind side of one of the best quarterbacks in franchise,
not even franchise history, NFL history, rookie, you know, as
a rookie, and to have to sit out there and
say I got his blind side. I have to make
sure that I'm going out there against the Philadelphia Eagles
twice and protecting Jaden and use blind side.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
And now we say, know.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
What, bro, how bad we got you. We're gonna move
you in your right spot, put you inside and be
able to use that athleticism that you have at that
position to play guard. Man, this is a guy you
hold if he's gonna be playing guard, because broke.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Guy, I can play pro bo guard.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
Bro this is something you hold on to because I
see this guy's limit for him at that position.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
That might be my favorite one.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
He said, I'm about to one up here. You know,
you can't get nothing from him, child, what they do
to you. I'm gonna give him bunch of Newton you took.
I'm gonna go.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
I'm gonna go Newton because to a couple of things.
He limped in here when we drafted him, had to get.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Sergers on his on his feet, took him some.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Time to get shaped, had to break the rotation for
a while. You know, it's just step step, ship, step step.
I got a chance to talk to.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Him earlier, all smiles. I cannot get.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
It was.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
It was all smiles, and he had this inten city
to him, like I just can't wait to show them
who I am. I know who we lost John Nelly,
but I can I can bring a lot of the
same thing to the table.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
So I'm gonna go give me a nude and I'm
a whole own baby.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I'm a little shook right like that, because that was mine.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
I was fully invested, no diversity in my portfolio, was
going three defenses. Oh man, right, So now I'm a
little bit I don't even know who to go, and
I'm gonna go McGee. So I like that he was
hurt last year, they wanted to get him more. Man,
you see him, you see him run around in practice.
You see the physicality plays with specimen, and I just
want to see him healthy and unleash and ready to go.

(54:37):
And I think if they can find a way for
him to be on the field, uh in whatever package,
it looks like. You know, I think the path ridgers
On is a little bit better because I saw it. Yeah,
last year with McGee, it's a little bit of a
hail Mary. But I think because of how he handled
the preseason last year before the injury, it's like he's
ready to go, you know, And that's something that I'm
really excited to do it. So, I mean, guys, I

(54:59):
think we gave tremendous investment advice, but I think eight
to the nine gave the best investment. So for investment advice,
call one eight to the nine to the move. That's
our guy right there, Man, I appreciate I call him
John Stop.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Hell yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
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