June 9, 2025 • 23 mins
Here's a man who has lived a million lives! Originally from London, now residing in Perth, Matt has worked as a Club DJ, TV presenter, radio announcer, and has a list of obscure hobbies.
With so much that he's happy to share, what could he possibly concealing? Here's a hint, it lead him to an unusual run in with Mike Tyson.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
It's me the dazzling out simone, checking in for my
charity work shift, charting a spotlight on the most sparkly folk. Yeah.
I'll give back to the world by speaking to sometimes
very normal people, but I so selflessly use my time
to uncover the extraordinary behind these ordinary types. All right,
(00:28):
time to start my shift and meet today's normy Rall. Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
My name is Matt. I'm from just outside London, but
I've lived in Perth over twenty years. I've previously worked
as a club DJ, at TV presenter and radio announcer,
and bookmakers have actually issued of a thousand, one thousand
to one for me to play the next James Bots
James Bond. I enjoy foil surfing, wing falling, pretty much
any other beach and ocean activity. But I I'm concealing
(01:00):
something about myself where I'm usually front and center, but
not the stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Okay, Hollo man, how you going here today? How what's
going on over there? Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's beautiful, it's sunny, it's lovely. I've had to stroll
down the beach already.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So you've lived a thousand lives, it seems already. Club DJ,
TV presenter, radio announcer. Possibly maybe not James Bond, but
you know, there may be bad odds, but it could
still happen. Are you hiding? Are you running from something?
Are you running from the law? Why have you had
so many different lives?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's it? You know, I crash a burn at a
certain time. I have to reinvent myself. No opportunities present themselves,
and I you know, I just I like to explore opportunities,
and I like to make sure I've done all the
things that I've had in my mind that I want
to do, and so sometimes you just have to kind
of blow everything else up and start again. So I've
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done that a number of times.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, now Perth, you're formerly from just outside of London.
Very cool spectacles, Might I say thank you? That are
very very fun. They look like a cartoon drawing. Are
they functional or just fashionable?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
No, they are functionable. Without them, I do find it
very hard to see you know, your exquisite detail, and
that was something that I needed to make sure was
one hundred percent locked in for this pod.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So well, I know it is very important that you
see my beautiful vizage here. Now you've said foiling what
surf foiling, foiling, What do you put foil on a surfboard?
Is that?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
What that is? I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, it's a relatively new sport. I surf for over
twenty years, since since I moved to Australia I started serving.
And then there's there's something which looks vaging like an
aeroplane wing that you kind of stick on underneath a surfboard.
Is called a hydrofoil. You pop it under there and
it kind of lifts the board out of the water slightly.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
All right, So running from the law future foil fashions, okay, yeah,
very important things to me, all right, yep, okay, just
making my picture here. Now, what I'm going to do
is ask you three questions, and from the answers to
those three questions, I'm going to try and work out
what it is you're concealing from me here today. So
(03:15):
first question I have for you is, all right, you're
going to go climb them out and you're out of
the water. Yep, Okay, we're climbing a mountain instead. What
is one item you want to take with you?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Oh? I'm actually using them right now. I'm going to
take some earbuds, but I'll obviously have to. I'll twin
it with a playlist of absolute dance floor bangers, because
I reckon if I'm climbing a mountain. I've walked on mountains.
It's a struggle, and it's I don't know why you
really want to put yourself through that. So I'm going
to need something to get me through it. And I
think music has that like suggestive ability to change the
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way you feel. So I'm going to have a big
pump up dance floor bangers playlist which will really, you know,
give me that woomph to get up that mountain.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, motivational music, Okay, things in your ears?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Question number two?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
All right, you were saying some lovely things about me,
But what is the best compliment you've ever received? Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Do you know what? It's lovely to rid for seed compliments,
isn't it. I'm not sure it's the best one. It
was just like a very memorable one, Mike. Mike Tyson
actually told me I was amazing. It was quite scary,
to be quite honest, but it was also quite nice.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Mike Tyson.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Maybe this third question not really helped me out because
I'm really suiting blanks here today even chrest number three
is okay. Besides me again, I was the last thing
that made you laugh very very hard.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Okay. So with what I do, this will sound weird.
But when I was doing that thing I do recently,
people sometimes become a penguin or penguins. Normally that's pretty
funny because they're kind of just like waddling around. But
recently someone fully committed and did a full on run,
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jump and belly slide across the length of the stage
I was on at the time.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Okay, right, so someone did a bally flop on this
on the stage.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Right, so you're on a stage, you're like good music.
Some mirk tys and said you're amazing, but you you're
You already told me you've been into club DJ, so
it can't be that you're a DJ. You say, people
want me become penguins, penguins, belly flops, water water okay,
London James Bond, animals, belly flop, motivations, climbing a mountain.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I love the way you're trying to connect all these.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, I'm really rea Okay, the only thing that I
have in my head and it's not right.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Are you a zoomba instructor? What do you think? Well,
you're motivating them and getting up the thing.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
And maybe Mark Tyson went to one of your zumba
classes and then you know, maybe one of your moves
is the penguin. But someone just said, oh no, I
belly flopped and they fell over. Maybe you're a zomber instructure.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I am a stage hypnotist. I performed comedy hypnosis shows
all over the world. Very silly things happened over the years.
I've used hypnosis to help people quld smoke, eliminate their anxiety,
remove their phobias, day to day, night by night, I'm
on the stage.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I'm scared. Now are the glasses there? Just so I
really have to look into your eyes? They pull focus?
Is that why?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
It's that barrier? No, No, it's that barrier. It's like
a protective barrier between me and you. We're going to
be fine.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So how through all the things you've done, how did
you get into humanotism?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Do you know what? I did? One term at Hogwarts?
Harry Potter was in the other classroom and I no,
do you know what? It was? One of those things
I've always been fascinated with how the mind works. And
I've always had some kind of like one toe in
the entertainment world for everything I've done. And I saw
a hypnotist doing the show, and I thought I could
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probably do that, and so I kind of went out
to try and find how I could do that, and
ye know what the psychology behind it was. And yeah,
then I put a show together and started rolling down
and see what would happen, and then you know, things
snow would very quickly.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So you're saying you just said, oh, I could do that,
and then you just put a show together and it worked.
There must be something in between besides your terms at Hogwarts.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, obviously, you know. I delved into it. Wasn't
It wasn't like, oh, I think I could do that,
and the next week I was doing it. So no,
I delved into it. I was like reading up old
books about hypnosis. I was talking to hypnoties. I was
trying to get my hands on any training I could
get anywhere, like looking at shows. To be quite honest,
when I initially saw shows, I didn't I loved the
idea of it. I wasn't overly keen on the presentation
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it always seemed to be more about making fun of people.
But I kind of always thought, you know, instead of
being in the audience and looking at what's going on
stage and laughing and thinking, oh, it's funny, but I'm
glad I'm not up there, wouldn't it be better if
you sat in the audience laughing, going oh wish it
was me up there? You know, it looks so much fun.
So that that's the approach I've had to it, And
so I kind of use the basic template of how
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hypnotists were doing shows, but I guess modernized it a
lot more. You know, we get get away from the
swinging watches and the weird spirals and the strange stairs
because you know, we all kind of go into trancel
all the time.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So did you start practicing on friends or people or strangers.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, friends would be like did that work? Have it now?
Did it work?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It worked? It worked sometimes, And that's the thing it was.
You know, it's a numbers game, but the first time
it works properly, you just kind of think, oh, well
it does work. It's a little bit surprising, and you're thinking, wow, okay,
all right, there's something in it, and it's interesting when
I was doing that kind of you know, starting you
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were just kind of mucking around with friends at parties
and around your house, that kind of thing. But when
you actually do your first show, you're almost like it's
almost like you got your fingers crossed behind your back, thinking,
geez a, I hope this works, because realistically, there's no
real practice for your first show except doing the first show,
because you know, until you get you know, twenty bodies
in those seats and actually do that thing, that's the
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first time you're doing it, you know, on a stage
for real, and it's you know, there's no real practice
for that.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
So you've studied up on it, you've given it a shot,
it's going it's working. Well, how does the hypnotism actually work?
Because what I know I haven't I don't know very much.
But what I've absorbed is that it's kind of no
one's going to do anything that you tell them to
do unless they're kind of open to wanting to do
it in the first place.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That is that true?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yah, It's true because you're not you're not in another world,
you're not zoombead, you're not unaware of what's going on.
And the way I explain it. I always say it's
like focusing on a thought so much it starts to
feel real in that moment. And when people are thinking, oh,
I don't know if I could do that, Well, we
do it all the time. You know, if you watch
a sad movie and the dog dies, you can actually cry,
(10:02):
but you know that dog is actually still running around
earning zona ten thousand dollars a movie. But in that
moment when that happens, it feels real. You know, your
brain makes it feel real. You know, when you're dreaming
and you dream you're falling and you suddenly all kind
of wake yourself up or and like that, that's your
brain making it feel real in the moment. So we
do it all the time, and so I kind of
like move that state of mind to happen on purpose
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on the stage.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
This just so much mystery behind it all, because it
just doesn't how does it. How do you just get
a stranger up and convince them to do whatever you're
telling them to do.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
It's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, I think what happens is when you see on
movies and TV, you don't really see the process. All
you see is someone going, oh, I'm sleep you know,
it looks crazy, it looks so unrealistic. But you know,
even when I do TV work, we're actually not allowed
to show the hypnotic part that precedes kind of the result.
So you might see the quick bit, but that quick
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bit happens after we've you know, had a little bit
of prep with a person, taken them through that nice
relaxing you know, kind of stay focus on this, take
a deeper thing just and we're starting to kind of
disengage their mind from everything else going on around them
and starting to focus their imagination inwards. So in that
process that happens kind of off screen. If you see it
on TV or the movies, it's just crazy anyway. But
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when we do it on stage and in a show,
you know that that part happens on the stage and
you see that process and for a lot of people,
because I don't want it to be mysterious, I don't
want it to be weird. I think hypnotis of years
gone by, that kind of cliche style they used to
make all this was a weird power I was born with,
or you know, this is full of mystery. I could
and I like, now it's that's complete rubbish, you know,
(11:41):
it's basic psychology. It's imagination, it's focus, it's concentration, and
so you know, I like to kind of make sure
that the audience can really follow along that process when
we do it on stage. But it kind of almost
makes sense now because you know, we're so much more
in tune with yoga, mindfulness, meditation, that kind of thing,
so that you know, I have so many people who
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come off the stage after was going, oh man, that
was wild. But it was like when you did that
first part. Oh, it was just like when I'm at
yoga and the instructors doing our thing at the beginning.
So we're starting to become much more not aware, but
much more used to this. This using the state of mind.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Anyway, it's almost a form of manifestation. If you just
think about it so much, it just it would just
happened coming up. Why's even networks are fearful of airing
the full process of hypnosis. Matt goes one on one
with Mike Tyson, and by the end of this episode,
you will have all the skills you need to hypnotize
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anyone in your life. So he wouldn't mad the hypnotist,
And why can't you show the full process of hypnosis.
(12:58):
Why can you only just show the fast bit on TV?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, it's really interesting. I think you should be able to.
But I think what it is is that they think
that people could watch this and then become hypnotized at home,
and then that Hollywood thing plays into their minds, like,
oh what if these people are sat hypnotized at home
and they'll never get out of hypnotal, which is just rubbish, right,
But you know, there's that kind of thought process that
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you know, you can't do that in case someone's yet
driving along and they're listening and then sudden they get
hypotized in their car. So you know, there's a level
of credibility to that. But I think that's an overcautious
thing to do, you know. I mean I do shows
with hundreds of people in the audience, and we don't
suddenly have like a hundred people in the audience. You know,
you zomked out by the end of the show because
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they happen to be in the same room as hypnosis
was happening.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I know, I think you're beginning to be a bit
closer to James Bond than you think, because if you're
just hypnotizing people, people are obviously scared of you. They're scared,
they're terrified. The government scared of you. You know, the
TV networks are scared of you. You've got power. Maybe
you'll be the next villain on the Bond series instead.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I hadn't thought of that. Do you have an e
villain name for me?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Hypno Guy doesn't sound really good, But so you said that,
Mike Tyson said, you're amazing. Please explain, Please tell me
the real story.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Now, that was a really weird momented time. A number
of years ago. I was in Vegas doing some Hypno
stuff over there, and I went out for lunch, and
then across the way from where I was having lunch
there was Mike Tyson was doing some kind of signing
in some memorabilia shop. So I thought, wouldn't it be
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fun if I go in and try and do something
with him, So basically, you know, the mind I tried
to show me, you know, try to do the next thing.
But I actually walked round to the other side and
sat down, stuck my hand out, said Mike, look up here,
look me in the eye right now. So I've now
got his hat, so only his mind is kind of
what's going on and I just thought, look, I'm either
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going to get absolutely wallopped here or or taken out
or whatever, but either that would be a good story. Yeah, yeah,
right right, yes, you know we're thinking the same right, so,
so good story either way. So you know, I kind
of end up doing a couple of funny little things
where I'm looking at that say do this, say this,
and then you know, next thing is yelling at the
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top of his voice and yeah, you're amazing, You're going
to take over the world, this kind of thing. And
then at that point the handler moved in and said,
you've got to get out of here.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Can you please leave? Thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
What is the community like? Is it a rather small community?
And if so, are there are there any impostors? Do
you think are any rumors of impostors who aren't actually
very good at hypnotizing, but they you know, maybe just
put a plant in there.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I don't know, I don't know. I like drama, I
love gossip.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Uh, it's look, it's such a small community. There's I mean,
there's really only a handful of in Australia who would
be doing this full time, and so you know, we
kind of get to know each other. But I mean,
as for you know, what you say, impostor, I don't
think there'd be anyone out there willingly being an impostor.
I guess, you know, there's hobbyists who are trying to
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trying to make it happen. But as for a plants,
you just don't need it because if you if you
do a show that's good enough where you are able
to first of all, get you know, twenty people to
want to take part in your show initially. Well then
out that twenty people, you're always going to get a
number of people who are going to be great, you know,
at being very highly suggestible. They've already used their mind
for similar things in the past, so it's it feels
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natural and normal to them. And there are a section
of the of people in general who are just naturally,
you know, susceptible to be very good at this. We
called a somnambulis that's like very hypnotizable, and so there's
that across all walks of life anyway. So it's a
bit of a numbers game obviously, you know, the better
you are at your processes and that you're going to
get more out of the people. But I guess even
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with a bad show. You'd probably be able to get
enough to make a show happen.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
What do you say, sabam a mammalilis?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I like that word better. I like that word better. Somnambulist.
Oh yes, somnambulist. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
What are the identifying qualities of a somnambulus?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Can you?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Can?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
You just look at them and go, you come up here,
you'll be good.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Not not really, I mean I can definitely, you know,
if you're talking about hypnosis and someone's like completely fascinating,
they're just like they're just hanging on every word. They're
definitely a few steps along the way and there, you know,
and like you joked earlier, it's like, oh, you know,
don't look in my eyes that kind of thing. I
do get that a lot, which for some people, for
most people is a bit of a joke. But there
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are some people who genuinely think that, you know, if
they look at me, something's going to happen. So they're
already talking themselves into that. And what I love doing
with those people is basically if someone goes, oh, you're
not doing something already, are you, And I just love
to tap them gently on the shower and go No,
of course not and just kind of really build on that.
I'm written, build on that.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
But it's lighting down. That's very good, guess lighting. So, yeah,
what happens when things don't go to the plan? No
show is going to be the same, right, They're going
to be different every time. How do you learn to
adapt with that? And what's B mode versus C mode
versus you know, set the place on fire and run out?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, well it's great. It's great because obviously, you know,
you've got fifteen twenty people on stage, you've never worked
with them before. Some people act on a suggestion one way,
something like act on it another way. It's not like
what happens when things don't go the way you know,
on those rare occasions, it's almost like every night, it's
every night something different happens, and so it's it's a
bit improvy style, I guess really, you know, because you'll
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start to you know, you will bounce off what happens,
you know in that show. So if someone gets up
and does the most ridiculous dance you've ever done, even
though the suggestion was like get up and be whatever
the station was, but then suddenly they're doing a dance
that the audience thinks is hilarious, Well, we're going to
use that again later in the show, or you know
that we'll kind of build on that. So if they
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say something, do something that's not quite expected but it
works really well, well we're going to build on that.
If it's just totally unexpected and it doesn't add anything
extra to the show, just kind of move on to
the next thing.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
So what is the difference between a hypnotist and a
hypnot therapist.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, that's a really good question. So essentially both have
the skills to hypnotize people, you know, and we're using
what we might call a hypnotic induction, which is that
kind of process where that gets you relaxed and focused
us your imagination and really kind of disconnecting from kind
of externally so you can really focus on, you know
what the hypnosis saying. Obviously, with the hypnotherapy, we're working
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on people one on one to get to a certain
result they're trying to get to. Now, whether it's you know,
curing a fear of spiders, or whether it's a quit
smoking or more or more commonly now to quit vaping.
Your mind has got a certain program that's been running.
It's either a program you've accidentally taught, it's taught you
to do, like smoking or vaping. You know you've you've
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done it so many times that your brain kind of
switches off and goes, oh, don't worry, I'll run that
program for you. But then the day you think, yeah,
I don't know, my health isn't good smoking or vaping.
I want to stop, but that program still running, which
kind of makes you grab the vape or grab the smoke. So,
you know, we kind of show you the ways that
you can use your mind to kind of adjust that program,
same as you know, irrational phobias and fears.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I guess technically a hypnotherapist could do what you do,
but probably wouldn't do it very well.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Or Yeah, so actually this is a really good thing
because I think if you're already a performer and the entertainer,
you're used to the stage and people and you know,
engaging crowds and things like that, it's much easier to
pin hypnosis skill skills on an existing performer show than
it is to kind of like have the hypnosis skills
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but then teach the performance side someone like yourself. Natural entertainer,
you know, born performer, right, you know it's it's it
just comes naturally.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Well, I'm glad you've told me that because now I
don't have to become a hypnotherapist. I can become a
stage hypnotist. So because I'm really.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Natural on the stage, you know, I light up a room.
Love me.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
So I was wondering if you could give me some
pointers on how I would hypnotize someone.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yep, nice and easy. You're just gonna close your eyes
because that takes out a lot of other visual stimuli
going into your mind.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Close your eyes, Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I usually prefer people to have their eyes closed when
they're watching me on stage anyway, So that works.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
We're working halfway there. Tick excellent, tick, and then just
some basic things. You're just going to start to get
people disconnecting from what's going on around so you're going
to start to direct their imagination in different places. So
at the start, it's just like, imagine the way that
your hand is just like resting on your lap there. Now,
direct your direct your mind to your foot, and you
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just feel what that feels underneath you. Because what's happening
there is they can't at the same and then think
of like, oh, there's four hundred people watching me out
there and blah blah blah blah blah blah. You know,
you're busying their mind with something else, and so you
can then start to put much more developed things to
imagine into their mind. That's it.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Well, I thought what I could do. I could do
heads down, thumbs up. I think that'd be really handy.
So everyone put your heads down thumbs up, because we
all know that from primary school. So I think that'd
be really good. Yes, just you know they yeah, and
they heads of down so they can't see, so they're
all right. So I've got them with their heads down,
their thumbs are up there, they're now They're minds are
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now not thinking about anything except for the thumbs and
the heads. How do I then insert a new suggestion
for a sub it's a good a person that one.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for one of those for sure. Yeah.
I mean you can literally then just go straight into it.
Like the other fact, do you.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Know, buy my book, buy my book, go on big
w and buy my book Google.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Right now here. I'm there right now. So you are
a natural? You were a natural?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So that was Matt the hypnotist and not the zombra
instructor but us. That's all one new skills to the test.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You are getting.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Sleepy, size sleepy. And when I click my fingers you
won't click that follow BT and also Jenny, now I'm nodding.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I look on the socials.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Did it work? Concealed with that? Simon is an iHeart
production
It's me the dazzling out simone, checking in for my
charity work shift, charting a spotlight on the most sparkly folk. Yeah.
I'll give back to the world by speaking to sometimes
very normal people, but I so selflessly use my time
to uncover the extraordinary behind these ordinary types. All right,
(00:28):
time to start my shift and meet today's normy Rall. Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
My name is Matt. I'm from just outside London, but
I've lived in Perth over twenty years. I've previously worked
as a club DJ, at TV presenter and radio announcer,
and bookmakers have actually issued of a thousand, one thousand
to one for me to play the next James Bots
James Bond. I enjoy foil surfing, wing falling, pretty much
any other beach and ocean activity. But I I'm concealing
(01:00):
something about myself where I'm usually front and center, but
not the stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Okay, Hollo man, how you going here today? How what's
going on over there? Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's beautiful, it's sunny, it's lovely. I've had to stroll
down the beach already.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So you've lived a thousand lives, it seems already. Club DJ,
TV presenter, radio announcer. Possibly maybe not James Bond, but
you know, there may be bad odds, but it could
still happen. Are you hiding? Are you running from something?
Are you running from the law? Why have you had
so many different lives?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's it? You know, I crash a burn at a
certain time. I have to reinvent myself. No opportunities present themselves,
and I you know, I just I like to explore opportunities,
and I like to make sure I've done all the
things that I've had in my mind that I want
to do, and so sometimes you just have to kind
of blow everything else up and start again. So I've
(01:58):
done that a number of times.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, now Perth, you're formerly from just outside of London.
Very cool spectacles, Might I say thank you? That are
very very fun. They look like a cartoon drawing. Are
they functional or just fashionable?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
No, they are functionable. Without them, I do find it
very hard to see you know, your exquisite detail, and
that was something that I needed to make sure was
one hundred percent locked in for this pod.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So well, I know it is very important that you
see my beautiful vizage here. Now you've said foiling what
surf foiling, foiling, What do you put foil on a surfboard?
Is that?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
What that is? I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, it's a relatively new sport. I surf for over
twenty years, since since I moved to Australia I started serving.
And then there's there's something which looks vaging like an
aeroplane wing that you kind of stick on underneath a surfboard.
Is called a hydrofoil. You pop it under there and
it kind of lifts the board out of the water slightly.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
All right, So running from the law future foil fashions, okay, yeah,
very important things to me, all right, yep, okay, just
making my picture here. Now, what I'm going to do
is ask you three questions, and from the answers to
those three questions, I'm going to try and work out
what it is you're concealing from me here today. So
(03:15):
first question I have for you is, all right, you're
going to go climb them out and you're out of
the water. Yep, Okay, we're climbing a mountain instead. What
is one item you want to take with you?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Oh? I'm actually using them right now. I'm going to
take some earbuds, but I'll obviously have to. I'll twin
it with a playlist of absolute dance floor bangers, because
I reckon if I'm climbing a mountain. I've walked on mountains.
It's a struggle, and it's I don't know why you
really want to put yourself through that. So I'm going
to need something to get me through it. And I
think music has that like suggestive ability to change the
(03:46):
way you feel. So I'm going to have a big
pump up dance floor bangers playlist which will really, you know,
give me that woomph to get up that mountain.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, motivational music, Okay, things in your ears?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Question number two?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
All right, you were saying some lovely things about me,
But what is the best compliment you've ever received? Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Do you know what? It's lovely to rid for seed compliments,
isn't it. I'm not sure it's the best one. It
was just like a very memorable one, Mike. Mike Tyson
actually told me I was amazing. It was quite scary,
to be quite honest, but it was also quite nice.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Mike Tyson.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Maybe this third question not really helped me out because
I'm really suiting blanks here today even chrest number three
is okay. Besides me again, I was the last thing
that made you laugh very very hard.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Okay. So with what I do, this will sound weird.
But when I was doing that thing I do recently,
people sometimes become a penguin or penguins. Normally that's pretty
funny because they're kind of just like waddling around. But
recently someone fully committed and did a full on run,
(04:57):
jump and belly slide across the length of the stage
I was on at the time.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Okay, right, so someone did a bally flop on this
on the stage.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Right, so you're on a stage, you're like good music.
Some mirk tys and said you're amazing, but you you're
You already told me you've been into club DJ, so
it can't be that you're a DJ. You say, people
want me become penguins, penguins, belly flops, water water okay,
London James Bond, animals, belly flop, motivations, climbing a mountain.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I love the way you're trying to connect all these.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, I'm really rea Okay, the only thing that I
have in my head and it's not right.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Are you a zoomba instructor? What do you think? Well,
you're motivating them and getting up the thing.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
And maybe Mark Tyson went to one of your zumba
classes and then you know, maybe one of your moves
is the penguin. But someone just said, oh no, I
belly flopped and they fell over. Maybe you're a zomber instructure.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I am a stage hypnotist. I performed comedy hypnosis shows
all over the world. Very silly things happened over the years.
I've used hypnosis to help people quld smoke, eliminate their anxiety,
remove their phobias, day to day, night by night, I'm
on the stage.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I'm scared. Now are the glasses there? Just so I
really have to look into your eyes? They pull focus?
Is that why?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
It's that barrier? No, No, it's that barrier. It's like
a protective barrier between me and you. We're going to
be fine.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So how through all the things you've done, how did
you get into humanotism?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Do you know what? I did? One term at Hogwarts?
Harry Potter was in the other classroom and I no,
do you know what? It was? One of those things
I've always been fascinated with how the mind works. And
I've always had some kind of like one toe in
the entertainment world for everything I've done. And I saw
a hypnotist doing the show, and I thought I could
(07:03):
probably do that, and so I kind of went out
to try and find how I could do that, and
ye know what the psychology behind it was. And yeah,
then I put a show together and started rolling down
and see what would happen, and then you know, things
snow would very quickly.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So you're saying you just said, oh, I could do that,
and then you just put a show together and it worked.
There must be something in between besides your terms at Hogwarts.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, obviously, you know. I delved into it. Wasn't
It wasn't like, oh, I think I could do that,
and the next week I was doing it. So no,
I delved into it. I was like reading up old
books about hypnosis. I was talking to hypnoties. I was
trying to get my hands on any training I could
get anywhere, like looking at shows. To be quite honest,
when I initially saw shows, I didn't I loved the
idea of it. I wasn't overly keen on the presentation
(07:49):
it always seemed to be more about making fun of people.
But I kind of always thought, you know, instead of
being in the audience and looking at what's going on
stage and laughing and thinking, oh, it's funny, but I'm
glad I'm not up there, wouldn't it be better if
you sat in the audience laughing, going oh wish it
was me up there? You know, it looks so much fun.
So that that's the approach I've had to it, And
so I kind of use the basic template of how
(08:11):
hypnotists were doing shows, but I guess modernized it a
lot more. You know, we get get away from the
swinging watches and the weird spirals and the strange stairs
because you know, we all kind of go into trancel
all the time.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So did you start practicing on friends or people or strangers.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, friends would be like did that work? Have it now?
Did it work?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It worked? It worked sometimes, And that's the thing it was.
You know, it's a numbers game, but the first time
it works properly, you just kind of think, oh, well
it does work. It's a little bit surprising, and you're thinking, wow, okay,
all right, there's something in it, and it's interesting when
I was doing that kind of you know, starting you
(08:54):
were just kind of mucking around with friends at parties
and around your house, that kind of thing. But when
you actually do your first show, you're almost like it's
almost like you got your fingers crossed behind your back, thinking,
geez a, I hope this works, because realistically, there's no
real practice for your first show except doing the first show,
because you know, until you get you know, twenty bodies
in those seats and actually do that thing, that's the
(09:15):
first time you're doing it, you know, on a stage
for real, and it's you know, there's no real practice
for that.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
So you've studied up on it, you've given it a shot,
it's going it's working. Well, how does the hypnotism actually work?
Because what I know I haven't I don't know very much.
But what I've absorbed is that it's kind of no
one's going to do anything that you tell them to
do unless they're kind of open to wanting to do
it in the first place.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That is that true?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yah, It's true because you're not you're not in another world,
you're not zoombead, you're not unaware of what's going on.
And the way I explain it. I always say it's
like focusing on a thought so much it starts to
feel real in that moment. And when people are thinking, oh,
I don't know if I could do that, Well, we
do it all the time. You know, if you watch
a sad movie and the dog dies, you can actually cry,
(10:02):
but you know that dog is actually still running around
earning zona ten thousand dollars a movie. But in that
moment when that happens, it feels real. You know, your
brain makes it feel real. You know, when you're dreaming
and you dream you're falling and you suddenly all kind
of wake yourself up or and like that, that's your
brain making it feel real in the moment. So we
do it all the time, and so I kind of
like move that state of mind to happen on purpose
(10:25):
on the stage.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
This just so much mystery behind it all, because it
just doesn't how does it. How do you just get
a stranger up and convince them to do whatever you're
telling them to do.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
It's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, I think what happens is when you see on
movies and TV, you don't really see the process. All
you see is someone going, oh, I'm sleep you know,
it looks crazy, it looks so unrealistic. But you know,
even when I do TV work, we're actually not allowed
to show the hypnotic part that precedes kind of the result.
So you might see the quick bit, but that quick
(10:59):
bit happens after we've you know, had a little bit
of prep with a person, taken them through that nice
relaxing you know, kind of stay focus on this, take
a deeper thing just and we're starting to kind of
disengage their mind from everything else going on around them
and starting to focus their imagination inwards. So in that
process that happens kind of off screen. If you see it
on TV or the movies, it's just crazy anyway. But
(11:20):
when we do it on stage and in a show,
you know that that part happens on the stage and
you see that process and for a lot of people,
because I don't want it to be mysterious, I don't
want it to be weird. I think hypnotis of years
gone by, that kind of cliche style they used to
make all this was a weird power I was born with,
or you know, this is full of mystery. I could
and I like, now it's that's complete rubbish, you know,
(11:41):
it's basic psychology. It's imagination, it's focus, it's concentration, and
so you know, I like to kind of make sure
that the audience can really follow along that process when
we do it on stage. But it kind of almost
makes sense now because you know, we're so much more
in tune with yoga, mindfulness, meditation, that kind of thing,
so that you know, I have so many people who
(12:02):
come off the stage after was going, oh man, that
was wild. But it was like when you did that
first part. Oh, it was just like when I'm at
yoga and the instructors doing our thing at the beginning.
So we're starting to become much more not aware, but
much more used to this. This using the state of mind.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Anyway, it's almost a form of manifestation. If you just
think about it so much, it just it would just
happened coming up. Why's even networks are fearful of airing
the full process of hypnosis. Matt goes one on one
with Mike Tyson, and by the end of this episode,
you will have all the skills you need to hypnotize
(12:37):
anyone in your life. So he wouldn't mad the hypnotist,
And why can't you show the full process of hypnosis.
(12:58):
Why can you only just show the fast bit on TV?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, it's really interesting. I think you should be able to.
But I think what it is is that they think
that people could watch this and then become hypnotized at home,
and then that Hollywood thing plays into their minds, like,
oh what if these people are sat hypnotized at home
and they'll never get out of hypnotal, which is just rubbish, right,
But you know, there's that kind of thought process that
(13:23):
you know, you can't do that in case someone's yet
driving along and they're listening and then sudden they get
hypotized in their car. So you know, there's a level
of credibility to that. But I think that's an overcautious
thing to do, you know. I mean I do shows
with hundreds of people in the audience, and we don't
suddenly have like a hundred people in the audience. You know,
you zomked out by the end of the show because
(13:44):
they happen to be in the same room as hypnosis
was happening.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I know, I think you're beginning to be a bit
closer to James Bond than you think, because if you're
just hypnotizing people, people are obviously scared of you. They're scared,
they're terrified. The government scared of you. You know, the
TV networks are scared of you. You've got power. Maybe
you'll be the next villain on the Bond series instead.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I hadn't thought of that. Do you have an e
villain name for me?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Hypno Guy doesn't sound really good, But so you said that,
Mike Tyson said, you're amazing. Please explain, Please tell me
the real story.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Now, that was a really weird momented time. A number
of years ago. I was in Vegas doing some Hypno
stuff over there, and I went out for lunch, and
then across the way from where I was having lunch
there was Mike Tyson was doing some kind of signing
in some memorabilia shop. So I thought, wouldn't it be
(14:43):
fun if I go in and try and do something
with him, So basically, you know, the mind I tried
to show me, you know, try to do the next thing.
But I actually walked round to the other side and
sat down, stuck my hand out, said Mike, look up here,
look me in the eye right now. So I've now
got his hat, so only his mind is kind of
what's going on and I just thought, look, I'm either
(15:04):
going to get absolutely wallopped here or or taken out
or whatever, but either that would be a good story. Yeah, yeah,
right right, yes, you know we're thinking the same right, so,
so good story either way. So you know, I kind
of end up doing a couple of funny little things
where I'm looking at that say do this, say this,
and then you know, next thing is yelling at the
(15:25):
top of his voice and yeah, you're amazing, You're going
to take over the world, this kind of thing. And
then at that point the handler moved in and said,
you've got to get out of here.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Can you please leave? Thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
What is the community like? Is it a rather small community?
And if so, are there are there any impostors? Do
you think are any rumors of impostors who aren't actually
very good at hypnotizing, but they you know, maybe just
put a plant in there.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I don't know, I don't know. I like drama, I
love gossip.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Uh, it's look, it's such a small community. There's I mean,
there's really only a handful of in Australia who would
be doing this full time, and so you know, we
kind of get to know each other. But I mean,
as for you know, what you say, impostor, I don't
think there'd be anyone out there willingly being an impostor.
I guess, you know, there's hobbyists who are trying to
(16:16):
trying to make it happen. But as for a plants,
you just don't need it because if you if you
do a show that's good enough where you are able
to first of all, get you know, twenty people to
want to take part in your show initially. Well then
out that twenty people, you're always going to get a
number of people who are going to be great, you know,
at being very highly suggestible. They've already used their mind
for similar things in the past, so it's it feels
(16:38):
natural and normal to them. And there are a section
of the of people in general who are just naturally,
you know, susceptible to be very good at this. We
called a somnambulis that's like very hypnotizable, and so there's
that across all walks of life anyway. So it's a
bit of a numbers game obviously, you know, the better
you are at your processes and that you're going to
get more out of the people. But I guess even
(17:00):
with a bad show. You'd probably be able to get
enough to make a show happen.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
What do you say, sabam a mammalilis?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I like that word better. I like that word better. Somnambulist.
Oh yes, somnambulist. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
What are the identifying qualities of a somnambulus?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Can you?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Can?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
You just look at them and go, you come up here,
you'll be good.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Not not really, I mean I can definitely, you know,
if you're talking about hypnosis and someone's like completely fascinating,
they're just like they're just hanging on every word. They're
definitely a few steps along the way and there, you know,
and like you joked earlier, it's like, oh, you know,
don't look in my eyes that kind of thing. I
do get that a lot, which for some people, for
most people is a bit of a joke. But there
(17:42):
are some people who genuinely think that, you know, if
they look at me, something's going to happen. So they're
already talking themselves into that. And what I love doing
with those people is basically if someone goes, oh, you're
not doing something already, are you, And I just love
to tap them gently on the shower and go No,
of course not and just kind of really build on that.
I'm written, build on that.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
But it's lighting down. That's very good, guess lighting. So, yeah,
what happens when things don't go to the plan? No
show is going to be the same, right, They're going
to be different every time. How do you learn to
adapt with that? And what's B mode versus C mode
versus you know, set the place on fire and run out?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, well it's great. It's great because obviously, you know,
you've got fifteen twenty people on stage, you've never worked
with them before. Some people act on a suggestion one way,
something like act on it another way. It's not like
what happens when things don't go the way you know,
on those rare occasions, it's almost like every night, it's
every night something different happens, and so it's it's a
bit improvy style, I guess really, you know, because you'll
(18:40):
start to you know, you will bounce off what happens,
you know in that show. So if someone gets up
and does the most ridiculous dance you've ever done, even
though the suggestion was like get up and be whatever
the station was, but then suddenly they're doing a dance
that the audience thinks is hilarious, Well, we're going to
use that again later in the show, or you know
that we'll kind of build on that. So if they
(19:00):
say something, do something that's not quite expected but it
works really well, well we're going to build on that.
If it's just totally unexpected and it doesn't add anything
extra to the show, just kind of move on to
the next thing.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
So what is the difference between a hypnotist and a
hypnot therapist.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, that's a really good question. So essentially both have
the skills to hypnotize people, you know, and we're using
what we might call a hypnotic induction, which is that
kind of process where that gets you relaxed and focused
us your imagination and really kind of disconnecting from kind
of externally so you can really focus on, you know
what the hypnosis saying. Obviously, with the hypnotherapy, we're working
(19:42):
on people one on one to get to a certain
result they're trying to get to. Now, whether it's you know,
curing a fear of spiders, or whether it's a quit
smoking or more or more commonly now to quit vaping.
Your mind has got a certain program that's been running.
It's either a program you've accidentally taught, it's taught you
to do, like smoking or vaping. You know you've you've
(20:02):
done it so many times that your brain kind of
switches off and goes, oh, don't worry, I'll run that
program for you. But then the day you think, yeah,
I don't know, my health isn't good smoking or vaping.
I want to stop, but that program still running, which
kind of makes you grab the vape or grab the smoke. So,
you know, we kind of show you the ways that
you can use your mind to kind of adjust that program,
same as you know, irrational phobias and fears.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I guess technically a hypnotherapist could do what you do,
but probably wouldn't do it very well.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Or Yeah, so actually this is a really good thing
because I think if you're already a performer and the entertainer,
you're used to the stage and people and you know,
engaging crowds and things like that, it's much easier to
pin hypnosis skill skills on an existing performer show than
it is to kind of like have the hypnosis skills
(20:50):
but then teach the performance side someone like yourself. Natural entertainer,
you know, born performer, right, you know it's it's it
just comes naturally.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Well, I'm glad you've told me that because now I
don't have to become a hypnotherapist. I can become a
stage hypnotist. So because I'm really.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Natural on the stage, you know, I light up a room.
Love me.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
So I was wondering if you could give me some
pointers on how I would hypnotize someone.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yep, nice and easy. You're just gonna close your eyes
because that takes out a lot of other visual stimuli
going into your mind.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Close your eyes, Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I usually prefer people to have their eyes closed when
they're watching me on stage anyway, So that works.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
We're working halfway there. Tick excellent, tick, and then just
some basic things. You're just going to start to get
people disconnecting from what's going on around so you're going
to start to direct their imagination in different places. So
at the start, it's just like, imagine the way that
your hand is just like resting on your lap there. Now,
direct your direct your mind to your foot, and you
(21:55):
just feel what that feels underneath you. Because what's happening
there is they can't at the same and then think
of like, oh, there's four hundred people watching me out
there and blah blah blah blah blah blah. You know,
you're busying their mind with something else, and so you
can then start to put much more developed things to
imagine into their mind. That's it.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Well, I thought what I could do. I could do
heads down, thumbs up. I think that'd be really handy.
So everyone put your heads down thumbs up, because we
all know that from primary school. So I think that'd
be really good. Yes, just you know they yeah, and
they heads of down so they can't see, so they're
all right. So I've got them with their heads down,
their thumbs are up there, they're now They're minds are
(22:34):
now not thinking about anything except for the thumbs and
the heads. How do I then insert a new suggestion
for a sub it's a good a person that one.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for one of those for sure. Yeah.
I mean you can literally then just go straight into it.
Like the other fact, do you.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Know, buy my book, buy my book, go on big
w and buy my book Google.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Right now here. I'm there right now. So you are
a natural? You were a natural?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So that was Matt the hypnotist and not the zombra
instructor but us. That's all one new skills to the test.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You are getting.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Sleepy, size sleepy. And when I click my fingers you
won't click that follow BT and also Jenny, now I'm nodding.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I look on the socials.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Did it work? Concealed with that? Simon is an iHeart
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.