May 1, 2025 • 49 mins
What if your deepest struggles held the key to your life purpose? In this inspiring episode, I sit down with transformational coach Terri Messenger to explore her powerful journey—from addiction and trauma to a thriving, purpose-led life helping others heal.
We dive into how NLP, timeline therapy, and hypnosis can unlock your potential as a healer, and how overcoming personal wounds opens the door to greater spiritual leadership.
Whether you’re navigating your own healing, building a soul-led business, or curious about energy and mindset work, this conversation is filled with heart, truth, and practical tools to support your journey.
3 POWERFUL TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS EPISODE
1️⃣ Healing Unlocks Purpose
Your wounds can become your wisdom. Discover how Terri turned pain into purpose—and how you can too.
2️⃣ NLP + Hypnosis = Deep Transformation
Learn how these tools help clear trauma, rewire limiting beliefs, and accelerate growth.
3️⃣ The Power of a Great Coach
Why guidance matters—and how to choose someone who aligns with your soul.
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Lisa Brandis (00:00):
There's a quiet evolution happening in the world
of wellness.
One that's not about treatmentsor techniques, but about tuning
in.
And today's conversation is forthe practitioners, the healers,
the professionals who arebeginning to ask, what if I
could bring.
All of myself to the work that Ido./
Speaker (00:22):
Welcome to Connecting to Spirit.
I am your host, Lisa Brandis,and I'm here to help you unlock
your intuition channel withclarity and deep dive into
self-discovery, all whilenavigating the ups and downs of
personal and spiritual growth.
If you're ready to say goodbyeto self-doubt, embrace your
(00:44):
unique gifts and connect with asupportive community on the same
journey, then you're in theright place.
Whether you're just starting outor you've been walking this path
for years, this podcast is hereto guide you, support you, and
inspire you every step of theway.
So grab a cozy spot, settle in,and let's dive into some
(01:06):
empowering insights together.
Lisa Brandis (01:08):
My special guest today is Terry Messenger, a
transformational coach whose ownjourney through self-doubt,
addiction and trauma, led her todiscover the life-changing power
of NLP and hypnosis afterradically transforming her own
life.
(01:28):
She.
Found her true calling, which isguiding others to reprogram
their subconscious minds releasetrauma and unlock their highest
potential.
Terry's mission is especiallypowerful for those in the
wellness field, people who arecalled to heal others, but
sometimes loose sight of theirown inner alignment.
(01:49):
This episode is about how tocome home to your intuitive
power and lead from a place ofpurpose.
Welcome to connecting to Spirit.
Oh, thank you Lisa.
It is so good to be here andworth every moment of getting
set up for this beautifulpodcast.
We are recording in aprofessional studio today and
(02:10):
beautiful.
Terry went on the journey withme of figuring this out.
I kind of wanted to explore thedifference between.
Being in the presence and in theroom with somebody.
I was having a chat with myhusband and he was saying that
Steven Bartlett, was talkingabout how when he's in an
interview and you can really seeand feel the energy of the
person, it allows for a moretransformative experience.
(02:32):
And that's what I'm really keenon today.
So we are gonna deep dive in.
I couldn't agree more actually.
You know, there's nothing like,you know, being in person and I
feel that we lost that a littlebit, uh, through the pandemic.
Yep.
So it's, it's actually great tobe here in person with you,
(02:53):
Lisa.
We were talking in the car onthe way in Terry, about.
You are probably one of yourmost pivotal points, on your
journey that kind of flippedthe, the script for you and took
you on a deep dive into your ownself-healing and which led to
NLP.
Do you wanna let, let us know alittle bit about what that, you
know, what that turning point.
Journey was for you?
Yeah, sure.
(03:14):
Well, look, I believe that Ialways had a gift within me and
I was one of those kind ofpeople that grew up feeling a
little bit like the black sheep.
I didn't.
Excel in school, but I foundthat any topics that I did, it
was either I was at the top ofthe class or I was right down
(03:35):
the bottom.
I never kind of did anything inbetween.
I was quite a troubled teenager,so I kind of led a bit of a
rebellious life I really hadeverything on a plate for me.
I went to a Catholic school.
I also contribute a lot.
Of my public relations skills,Lisa, to the fact that I had
(03:57):
gone through eight differentschools.
So I had to adapt very well tokind of change and people.
But what I did find is that Iexcelled on stage and you know,
a lot of people will say to me,you know, is confidence
something?
Think that we acquire or is itborn?
(04:19):
And I don't believe you are bornwith confidence.
Nobody is born with confidence.
And I felt that by default.
'cause you as a channeler wouldunderstand this.
Um, you know, you've got Anyaand you kind of tap into Anya
and you get these downloads andthese incredible transmissions,
(04:41):
which I've experienced myself,and they're just.
You can't make this stuff up.
And so for me it was reallyabout the fact that I had this
kind of other part of me thatwould come out and, it was that.
Part of me on stage.
(05:02):
It was that part of me, when Ineeded to perform.
And, it was just something thatI really adapted to.
So, after, being sacked fromeight jobs in a row, that was a
really big pivotal time in myrole.
Is it because you're a trueentrepreneur?
Work works?
Absolutely.
I'm unemployable Lisa.
(05:22):
You don't know what you don'tknow and really in life, I knew
that when I went into the wrongjobs,'cause mom and dad, they
put me through all thiseducation.
So I had a lot of good educationand I went to business college,
it wasn't for me to be in anadministrative role.
You know, I wanted to be out thefront.
(05:43):
The light needed to shinebrighter than that.
Yeah.
I wanted to be out the frontwith people.
And you know that is where Isang, but I think.
This comes back to people'spurpose.
Sometimes you don't know there'sa missing link in life.
And you don't know why.
And quite often that it'sbecause you haven't tapped into
(06:05):
your true life purpose.
True power.
I was called to find my purpose.
So it was almost like theuniverse kept throwing me
against the wall.
And you know, if you believe inGod, you know.
You can't blame God when badthings happen.
But quite often God will allowthings to happen, you know, so
that we can kind of carve ourcharacter and create that part
(06:28):
of us that, you know, we aresupposed to become.
So, you know, all these signs ofbeing in the wrong jobs getting
fired.
My self-esteem obviously.
Plummeted pluming.
Yeah, I can imagine.
Absolutely.
Terrible.
And you know, then I remember Iaccidentally fell over my first
job that, where I was in a salesrole and what I didn't know is I
(06:53):
didn't know, but I excelled in,so on my first day I sold 12
pairs of shoes and I thoughtthat was terrible, just doing
what came naturally and didn'thave any signs at that young age
of 18.
That, hang on a minute, Terry.
You know, this is what you arecalled to do.
You are called to connect withpeople.
(07:14):
Was it about sales?
I don't think so, Lisa.
I think it was about connectingwith.
The other person and reallygetting to know them.
Like I found that I would knowwhy they were buying the shoes.
I mean, it was a very, high endshoe shop and it was in the
city, and so we were gettinglike celebrities and people like
(07:35):
that that would be comingthrough and I would find out.
What are you here for?
And it was just a natural wayabout me that I would be able to
connect with people.
And so, and that's the key wordthere, isn't it?
Confidence.
Yeah.
And being able to connect withpeople.
I love what you said about noteveryone's born confident.
(07:55):
You know, it's kind of learn.
Behavior and develops over time,and I kind of think intuition's
a little bit the same.
We kind of believe that somepeople are just naturally
confident and naturally giftedor naturally intuitive or
spiritual or psychic, but in myexperience, it's a learned skill
if there's that passion and ifwe follow.
Passion and what it is thatlights us up.
(08:17):
And it sounds to me like youfound that natural ability
through sales, through justcaring and having a genuine
curiosity about people and aninterest in their lives.
And I find that when wenaturally bond with someone, and
we know that sales is anemotional transaction.
So when someone feels valued,they feel like you've seen them.
And then naturally.
(08:38):
It's how do I help you throughsales?
So then how do I help you?
And then almost the shoes sellthemself, don't they?
Because they've come with apurpose.
And mostly what they're gonna dois walk out of that shop and
feel like, wow, that lady wasamazing.
And well, you're connecting.
You're connecting with peopleand, and, and you know, when I
did eventually learnneurolinguistic programming and
(09:00):
of course I had to go throughlife.
And learn all my other lessonsbefore.
Yeah, don't skip over that bit.
So how did, did you got to that?
So, you know, I, how did youcome to learn NLP?
So I did all the things thatnormal people did.
You know, I got married at 24years of age.
I had my first baby when I was26.
And then.
(09:21):
You know, I, I was a naturalmother in a way.
So, the instinct of being amother was quite natural.
It was like what you see in theanimal kingdom, but it wasn't
enough.
I couldn't just be that personthat was at, at home with
children.
And then of course, by the timeI got to the third one.
(09:44):
I had probably one of the worstcases, that I can possibly
imagine of postnatal depression.
And, you know, life kind of wentdown a very dark, slippery
slope.
I managed to get myself up a bitwhen I found my passion.
I joined.
The church and you know, I evendid a bachelor of ministries,
(10:07):
which I didn't actually carrybefore.
Okay.
So, so just for the timeline ofunderstanding for the listeners,
was that when you,'cause I knowyou married Ian.
Yes.
Who's a chiropractor.
Yeah.
So, and you both ran a centerThat's right.
So if we go back around the sametime or was that before?
Well, that's a good question.
You must have tapped in.
You're very intuitive, Lisa,because I met Ian through my
(10:30):
studies now I didn't Oh, throughthe church?
Uh, through Baptist TheologicalCollege.
Oh.
So I did not complete, I do needto say I did not complete my
Bachelor of Ministries Fellalive and then that was it.
Nothing else?
No.
I met his daughter.
Oh, and, uh, she was a student.
And I was a student.
And then, you know, I mean, mylife, nothing seemed to add up.
(10:54):
And I think when people are, ina position where things are not
right, their lives are not ontrack.
It almost seems like a messyjigsaw puzzle.
Like one closed door afteranother where just nothing seems
to go your way.
Well, it's like, you know, whyam I here?
What am I doing here?
Nothing.
Thing kind of made sense.
(11:15):
Yeah.
Um, I, I did this because I washungry for something, so my soul
was searching for the purposethat was calling me, and
unfortunately, it did end upresulting in a marital
breakdown.
So my marital, uh, breakdownhappened after being with my
(11:37):
childhood sweetheart.
So the way that it all happened,everything came to a screeching
halt, but when it did happen,nobody could accept it.
That was around me because wewere like the perfect couple.
We had the children, we had thehouse, we had what society dance
(11:57):
and everything.
And we had so many friends andwe were everyone's barbecue
friends and mm-hmm.
So we had all of these things,but secretly deep down inside,
we were sort of two lost soulsin a way.
I feel that we, I lost myself.
Now.
We are great friends today andI'm so grateful that, you know,
(12:20):
he's the father of my children.
When I met Ian, it was, he'dlost his wife.
So his wife passed away, in2006, and he'd been on a long
journey as well.
So he'd been suffering with herfor quite a few years.
So when that happened, it seemedlike everything happened quick.
(12:42):
Yeah.
But it didn't happen as quick.
As what people thought.
So on the other side of theworld, there was my life and
then on his side of the world,there was his life.
And you know, when everything,like when his wife passed away,
when my marriage broke down,when we met and we came
together, it was like it wasmeant to be.
(13:03):
It was almost ordained.
But for a lot of people it waslike, this is too fast, this is
too quick.
But for, so making thedifference how, you know, quite
often people, yeah.
We'll have, um, very strongopinions on the choices that we
are making.
It can make it so hard, it'shard enough to make these
massive life changes.
Yeah.
Let alone having everyone'sopinions weighing in on it.
(13:24):
Yeah.
And, and that taught me tobecome very strong.
Yeah.
And I think a lot of ouradversities, Lisa, do teach us
strength.
And I had a lot of adversitiesthrough my childhood, through my
teenage years.
I had a lot of trauma, so therewas already so much that was
(13:44):
buried.
And usually what I find is thisis very typical.
Classically my clients were agedbetween 28 and 58.
So that seemed to be the agecategory.
And the reason it was 28 isbecause.
28 seems to be an age whenpeople start to kind of settle
(14:08):
down.
A lot of life things seem to,settle and things start to catch
up with them.
And I think that's when thewheels fell off for me.
I believe that really the wheelshad fallen off around 27, 28.
So my client,'cause they say ourclients are a mirror of us.
And they might be two stepsbehind us.
They're not necessarily 10 yearsbehind us.
(14:30):
And so, you know, it's the samething.
They're searching, I wassearching.
Is that led you to NLP was justthat search searching?
Uh, I get a lot of that with mystudents, just feeling like
something's missing that theydon't necessarily know what it
is.
Or I've, I've climbed thatacquisition, ladder got the
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kids, got the house, got thecar, got the status.
Mm.
But then still it's like, oh, Ithought this was meant to bring
happiness.
So we realize then that thehappiness doesn't come from it.
The materialistic, yeah.
Gains does it that, yeah.
For me, the transformation comesfrom that deep connection to our
soul and that, and then thatallows, like we spoke earlier,
of connection.
(15:12):
You know, to me, when we deeplyconnect with someone, yeah,
things just shift, don't they?
I think it's when you find yourpurpose, and this is where I've
come to know that it's thegenius zone, which is a bit of
an evolution for me.
And the podcast and the masterkey.
They're the, they're the twoevolutions and you know, so.
(15:35):
Long story short, I met Ian andhe decided that he would put me
through neurolinguisticprogramming.
Now, I didn't know it was gonnabe such a life.
Changing situation because Ifelt that when I did my study
too.
You don't realize how much youactually unpack of your own life
in part of the training when youare, we, we were both
(15:57):
discussing, we both did theYeah.
Big long diploma for ourclinical hypnotherapy.
Yes.
And it, it, I mean, but that's abeautiful gift, isn't it?
We think initially we're doingit to be able to serve others
and make a difference withothers.
And yet here it is, we startwith ourself.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So a week, uh, a week in thelife of, if you are.
Doing one hour ofneurolinguistic programming that
(16:20):
if with a very good practitionercan be like a hundred years.
And I'm not even joking.
And I'll, I'll tell you why,because, there's a lot of
modalities, and I won't bore youwith all the different
modalities, but the, theperceptive shifts.
So the way that you look at theworld, the way you speak to
people, the way you rapport, andI remember thinking.
(16:42):
I know this stuff.
Mm-hmm.
You like this is stuff camenaturally to you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like I had been doing alot of it, but there's something
about conscious competency aswell.
Mm-hmm.
Like, okay.
You are more vigilant if youwill.
I think the big turning pointthough, Lisa was we had a day
where we did timeline therapy.
(17:03):
Oh.
You start studied that.
Time line therapy is likenothing on this earth.
Then I've gone on to do a lot ofquantum physics.
Me too.
Which such similar, a lot of thesuper conscious and the, you
know, with the mixture of mydiploma with hypnosis and the
spiritual gift I, I, I guess aswell.
(17:23):
So when I did the timeline forme personally, you, you had to.
You know, discover that time wasof a, you know, every single
person has a different timeline.
And it was a matter ofdiscovering, well, how do you do
your past?
How do you do your future?
(17:43):
How do you do your present?
And quite often people have gottheir past in front of them.
Hence why they can't moveforward, So you know, when I
learned that you had to reallysubconsciously organize and you
could reorganize time and thenmap out.
What were the three significantemotional, traumatic events?
(18:08):
And mine happened to beobviously the one where, you
know, my marriage had brokendown.
So you look at the most recentone.
So that recent one and, and thedarkness and everything that was
going on for me personally, thathad no reflection on anyone
else.
It was just my own journey.
So there was that element.
And there was then the16-year-old.
(18:30):
So there was a significant timegoing back at 16 where I had a
trauma.
And then of course, the firstone, so the first one was around
the age of eight.
All of these three, even thoughthere was a lot of others in
between, what happens is you areutilizing it like weightbearing
(18:53):
walls.
So if you've got a house withstructure and you pull away the
main weightbearing walls, whathappens to the roof?
Yeah, it collapses.
So in the same way, what we aredoing is we are going, right, we
are, we are bringing that one.
When we're gonna knock that oneover, we're gonna go back to the
(19:14):
8-year-old child.
We're gonna knock that one over.
We're gonna go to the, the otherone in the middle, which
happened to be for me, 16.
We're gonna knock that one over.
But in doing that, you, you'resort of taking yourself back in
time and you are learning.
And this is the big element,like the learning position.
And you know, when I did that,it took around about 20 minutes
(19:38):
and my life absolutely shiftedand changed radical change so
dramatically, and I didn'texpect it.
Mm, I did not expect.
So well, life changing.
Yeah.
And I'm very much, well, in theChristian world, when I was
doing, you know, when I was atchurch and I was doing all those
(20:00):
sorts of things, I was reallywell known as like an
evangelist.
So I'm very, I've got thatevangelist spirit.
Yeah.
Whereas if I come acrosssomething good, I don't hide it,
I share it with the world.
So of course we, you know, setup clinic Ian, it.
Been a chiropractor for, youknow, some 30 years.
However, we reestablished aclinic together.
(20:22):
And he brought a lot of hisclients because being so
incredible at what he did.
And, you know, I had a captiveaudience.
So, you know, I built a verysuccessful business very
quickly.
Yeah.
So that was, my starting andwhen people would come in.
(20:43):
Their lives would change sodramatically.
So I was healing detectives withthe most traumatic, what they'd
witnessed.
Oh, the power of hypnosis forunlocking trauma.
Yeah.
And just rewiring the brain sothat we can release the emotion
to the pain.
Exactly.
And then be able to accept it.
'cause we can't change it.
It's happened.
But really just find a place of.
(21:04):
Acceptance and awareness of whatit is to be able to move
through.
It does create really bigtransformational breakthroughs
for people, doesn't it?
Yeah, it really does.
And then, I was shifting warVets, now that's a big one.
So, and they never came in tosay, I need to be healed from
my.
War experience, you know?
Mm-hmm.
So usually it was they had anaddiction.
(21:26):
In this case a man copingmechanism had smoked two packs
of cigarettes every single day.
Mm-hmm.
And then I heard a whisper ofhim being in the war in Croatia.
Mm-hmm.
And I said, we need to deal withthat.
Oh, no, no, no.
But they don't like to talkabout it.
No.
Very, very private.
Yeah.
Especially with their emotions.
Well, they're just locked intoit.
Yep.
(21:46):
So.
We unlock that and that set himfree.
And of course, that's where itmakes the addiction.
It makes the transformation morereal.
Yeah.
More strong, more rock solid.
So they're not just, cuttingsomething off at a, sort of like
you're pulling off the plant,then it's the weed is regrowing
(22:08):
or whatever.
You are literally going deep.
Underneath the system, you'repulling that out and you're
extracting it, it at the core.
Yeah, exactly.
I found when I was taughthypnosis, we were, we were
taught that sometimes sometherapies just turn off a
dripping tap, whereas withhypno, you know, with, or kind
of catch the water and empty thecup.
(22:28):
Sorry.
If you've got a dripping tap,you've got the water.
You're just emptying the cup.
But with hypnotherapy, we turnthe tap off.
So it really does allow us tomake those internal changes.
And addiction is so, they'removing away from pain or towards
pleasure, you know?
So quite often when we look atan understanding of addiction
and ultimately these people justneed to be loved and supported.
(22:49):
And yet from a culturalperspective, it's like they get
kicked to the curb, really?
Mm.
And kind of judged a lot insociety.
So I think, I think it's a cryfor help, isn't it?
Well, well, people areattracting also back in the same
patterns, and what I'vediscovered is that we keep
attracting the same.
Patterns, the emotions, the allof the elements until we learn.
(23:13):
Mm.
So we've really gotta have thatcoming circling back.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's like the universesaying, well, you wouldn't put a
17-year-old, uh, you know,teenager in a car and let them
drive if they've never learned.
They've got to learn first.
And the moment they learn, thatperson that's helping them can
jump out of the car, they can,you know, redo it.
(23:36):
That's my metaphor.
And.
That's exactly how it is inlife.
If we don't, that's reallyempowering, isn't it?
Yeah.
When we do, when, when we givethem the skills.
Mm.
And then we help them, it'salmost walking with them through
those dark patches, knowing thatthey're supported.
That they're nurtured andultimately in that
non-judgmental space, isn't it?
Yes.
And we don't judge because we'vebeen through our own
(23:57):
experiences, and I think that'swhat makes for a huge.
Powerful.
Definitely supportive transfer.
And so when people can go back,say on their timeline, and NLP
has so many powerful modalities,fast phobia cures that it has
trauma, stress releases.
So I was kind of bringing theseall together and releasing
(24:21):
people's trauma.
Mm-hmm.
And.
What I found is when I enteredinto the online space in 2017,
that was a bit of a rude shockbecause mm-hmm.
We were talking about thatearlier.
We both literally took anin-person in, you know, and also
teaching workshops to the onlinedigital space, and it's
(24:41):
completely different.
It wasn't as.
Easy as I'd thought either.
So it was, yeah, very different.
I thought, oh, this is gonna bea walk in the piece.
Especially when you've used to alevel of success.
Like I was the same, you know,we didn't have to do much
marketing.
People were just coming, word ofmouth referral was really
strong.
Yeah.
And then all of a sudden it's adifferent, it's world.
(25:01):
It's a whole different world.
Totally different world.
But you, you really need to knowwho your niche is.
So if you are in the onlinespace, you're not, you know,
like the work that, the sort ofwork that we're doing here.
You can really, and a greatcoach can.
Help anyone, even if it means,'cause I'd helped musicians and
(25:23):
I can't play the piano.
Um mm-hmm.
I can't sing for nuts.
Mm-hmm.
But I would be able to helpthose musicians because I had
the right tools and that'sreally the sign of a great
coach.
You don't have to necessarilyknow everything, but you just
need to know how to shift.
(25:44):
A person's trauma, unleash themso that they can rise in their
power and their gift is what'swithin them.
And that is what can then comeout.
And this is, this was the bigmagic, uh, gold nugget for me
when I entered into the.
Uh, online space and thenthought, oh my gosh, you know,
(26:06):
everybody's a confidence coach.
Everybody's a trauma coach.
Everybody's, everybody's doingthis.
And so you're sort of swimmingwith a sea, small fish and a big
sharks.
Yep.
And you know, a lot of peoplejust sort of grabbed on as well
because it was a good, you know,especially through the pandemic
and when that happened.
So.
Really what happened for me is Ihad to look at not trauma and
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the fact that that is myspecialty, that is my, you know,
superpower of, of releasing andhealing and doing all those
things.
What I had to look at is whatwas happening, what was the
evolution after that personhealed, and that's what.
Made me suddenly go back toclinic days and go, well, what
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did happen?
Men, you know, businessmenbecame multi-millionaires.
Women found their voice andsuddenly so powerful.
There's so many women thatstruggle with that.
Exactly.
So they would suddenly come inand say, you know, and the, the
most famous words that I wouldhear is, Terry, you are never
gonna believe this.
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Mm-hmm.
And the reason that I would hearthose words so often.
Is because what they were aboutto tell me next never was
something they didn't believe.
They didn't know.
And they never spoke to me aboutit.
And in the end I'd be like,well, try me because I'm getting
used to this.
And for every person it wasdifferent because what was
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happening is it was lifting thatglass, you know, ceiling that
ceiling off.
It was allowing them to discovertheir life purpose, and that's
where the genius zone was born.
Um, turning pain to power.
That's where purpose, passion,and the master key, because I
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realized that.
It doesn't matter who you are,what you wanna strive for.
What I discovered in clinicafter working with, I think when
I'd, by the time we'd soldclinic i'd, I'd actually worked
with over 6,000 people.
Wow.
It's not just that one personthat you help, you know, to.
Heal and to transform.
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It's when they are the bestversion of themselves.
They go back and they're kinderas parents and they're kinder to
their family members and theirloved ones, and it almost does
just create this ripple effectthat, you know, starts to build
a bit of a movement.
It really does.
It really does, because that'swhat happens.
And I think people surprisethemself.
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Mm.
With.
That ripple effect.
Yeah, because, you know, I mean,I know we need counselors, we
need psychologists, and youknow, totally, God only knows
that, the work we do though ismore, it's faster, it's more
outcome orientated.
So that means that we're, youknow, pulling out.
That deep rooted system that'sholding them back so that they
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can go through it, thrive sothey can.
And so when you get it, when youget it from the root, when you
can go back and really knowwhere that started, and
sometimes it goes beyond whatthey know, it can go back
ancestral into, you know, like.
Past generations, and somepeople call it past lives, it
just depends on your beliefs andeverything.
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Mm-hmm.
But you know, we can go back 10generations of time and discover
that they were carrying a burdenfrom their great-great-great,
great, great grandmother orgrandfather, and that needed to
actually be dealt with.
So at that level, when it'sreleased, which is what I'd done
for my own life, that's whenpeople stood into their true
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calling, who they were, whatthey were born to be, who and
what they were here to do onthis planet.
Because, you know, that's mymission to help as many people
to find their mission because Iknow that at the end of the day,
happiness is kind of almost verysuperficial.
You know, you can say, oh, I'mhappy today because of this,
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this, this, and this, but.
You know, finding your solepurpose is a very deep, inner
core element of joy that is sofulfilling.
No one can take that away.
Mm.
And it's, it comes, it does comefrom a really grounded place,
doesn't it?
Mm.
You know, when, when I lovedOprah once termed the coin,
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ecstatic joy, and I'm like,that's it.
It's like a, it encompasses apeaceful feeling, but there's
also energy behind it.
And you know, it is at the corefoundation is love, isn't it?
When we can absolutely expressourself, when we can make great
connections, and when we canalso empower others.
And you know, I think we're bothrecognizing at this stage of our
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life, it's not about us anymore.
It's about the movement.
It's about seeing people thriveand seeing people awaken to
their divine potential.
And then being able to have theconfidence to live it.
And sometimes that confidence inmy experience has been courage.
You know, courage to step out ofwhat perhaps society is deemed
as the norm and, follow your ownpath.
And sometimes that meanscreating a new one, and living
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on that kind of edge where youare moving into new foreign
places and, really finding.
The thing that lights you up.
And in my experience, it's beenan expansion.
You know, it's an evolution,isn't it?
We're always changing.
We're always shifting.
We're growing.
And yes, I had the pleasure ofjoining you on one of your
(31:37):
special master classes a coupleof nights ago.
We talked about the master key,and you talked about this
amazing, incredible program thatyou have created too.
Literally, I think there was aword billionaire.
Billion dollar energy, billiondollar energy.
And that really because I'm anenergy healer and focus on
channeling and, and intuitionwith professionals as well.
(31:59):
Um, I really love the idea ofjust, no.
To me, that just speaks of nolimitations.
Like it is just when you'reempowered.
When you are following thatpath, that intuition's just
lighting you up, doors open,synchronicity happens.
The right people come at theright time.
You know, when we are just, tome that is our natural state,
but the person that gets in theway and holds ourself out from
(32:20):
the things that we really, yeah.
You know, that we really know weare passionate about is quite
often our own limiting beliefsand Yeah.
So to get the mind working forus instead of against us.
Exactly.
That's when we open that door.
Yeah.
And I know you talked about.
You know, a few MasterKey and,and that's master key one, Lisa.
So there go see an the connect.
(32:41):
Yeah.
So the reason that I, I makethat number one is because it
doesn't matter how talented,gifted, or successful you are or
rich you are without.
The health of your body.
Oh yeah.
You've got nothing.
So basically, so what basicallyis the first one?
Yeah, so master key one isbillion dollar energy and
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health.
Ageless mind.
Timeless body.
I mean, when I became a clinicalhypnotherapist, that was sort of
what I became known for as ahypnotherapist, like helping
people with their body.
Getting their body into that,you know, that, that form that
they wanted, you know, droppingexcess kilos.
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A lot of people would come in ifthey had, you know, even things
like, you know, Lyme disease orthey had a lot of autoimmunity.
Um, because what we are findingis that it all comes from the
manifestation of emotions.
Absolutely.
And there is the correl storedin the body.
Yeah.
So when we release that, that iswhen we rise up.
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So that's master key one.
Two is recoding therelationships.
And that's really becauseeverything's about
relationships, as you know.
I mean, we were born intofamilies or guardians, but
there's always people, but thepeople around us.
Actually help form our beliefsand our values.
So a, you know, all of us havethose stories that we tell
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ourself that we're not goodenough.
Mm-hmm.
And we have patterns with peopleand we have good ones, and we
have not so good ones and wehave terrible ones.
And so it's really about beingable to recode and rebirth.
So that we're not carrying thesame affliction.
We're not, we are not attractingthe same people.
And I mean, I'm still doing thesame thing.
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I mean, we always, I believe weare always gonna have to work on
ourself.
And then number three, which isvery popular, especially in the
coaching space, is prosperitycodes.
And this is where abundance,yes, this is where it comes
from.
The way you see yourself, yourself-worth, your self, love your
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frequency.
So quite often, and I think thishappens in the coaching space,
sometimes when you're passionateand you're giving like yourself,
you almost feel guilty.
To be overcharging.
And then there's people outthere that go for broken,
they're ruthless.
Um, but, you know, needless tosay, but the, like that
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entitlement.
But I feel that when we have areally rock solid value of our
own self-worth, our self-love,and our self-empowerment and
confidence, the frequency ofmoney and.
You know how that becomes moreapparent in prosperity supports
that if you go really deep intothe prosperity codes, it comes
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into masculine and feminine,which you would know about the
masculine and feminine energyand how that works in the coding
of the body.
And then last of all, four is.
The genius zone.
So you've done a lot of healingand like I have noticed with
people, you heal and then youfind that you turn your pain
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into your power.
That's your genius zone.
That's where your message.
Yeah.
And uh, and finally five is yourlegacy.
You know what legacy now are wegonna live for a lot of people
that may be not coaches, healersand leaders, their legacy may be
that.
They went back, they healedsomething that had been going
down the family line forgenerations and it, the buck
(36:25):
stopped it.
Stop with them.
Yeah.
Beautiful.
And that's a legacy.
And for others we're, you know,teaching and how do I share now
helping Yeah.
What I've form and market thatmessage.
Mm-hmm.
And make it very authentic andvery real and very part of their
own DNA'cause a lot of coachesand healers are so good at what.
(36:45):
They do, but they arestruggling.
Mm-hmm.
Getting traction in the onlinespace as you know.
Yeah.
So it's about when we all cometogether, we can all thrive and
support one another.
Isn't it?
So there's something aboutcontributing together, creates,
more energy.
Alright.
We're nearly coming to the endof this beautiful conversation.
Terry.
Thank you so much for everythingthat you've unpacked for our
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listener.
So I've got a quick lightninground that I want to fire at
you, so we will see how quicklywe can get through these six
questions.
So I just want your shortanswer.
You ready for it?
And she doesn't know thesequestions.
Go, go, go.
So let's go.
What's one daily ritual youpersonally use to reconnect with
your intuition, especially onthose chaotic or off days?
(37:31):
Grounding.
So yeah, grounding.
Yep.
So how can a wellnesspractitioner tell the difference
between fear and in anintuitive?
Insight.
Okay.
So fear is really something thatcomes from a past experience.
Where the intuition and thespiritual element is more about,
(37:56):
I get this feeling that this isnot right and I need to listen
to this and it might not makelogical sense, but I into that
track.
Yeah, I might fall into thattrap, Lisa.
So we all do.
Yeah.
And it might not make logicalsense, but there's just a re
there's just something we know,but we don't know why.
Yeah.
Beautiful.
What's the most surprising thingyour intuition ever told you
that turned out to be right?
Ooh.
(38:16):
Okay.
So I believe it was probablyabout becoming a practitioner.
because I never ever went intoNLP to do that.
That intention, it was selfhealing.
That was not my intention.
Beautiful.
But there was something deep,deep inside of me from even when
I was a child that saw what I'mdoing today, and I have the same
(38:40):
thing.
Isn't it funny when there was apart of me.
And it wasn't from an ego place,but there was a part of me that
knew I was here to do somethingspecial and that, and it was
just like, there was thisknowing that I'd been put in
here for a reason.
Yeah.
And some part of me had toawaken.
I do just wanna say one morething though.
Go for it.
Um, one of my children that hadlived a very troubled life as a
(39:02):
teenager and became very, veryill with anorexia nervosa.
Oh.
Uh, and we nearly lost her.
Um, I knew she was gonna be okayand I knew right from when she
was going through the thick ofher troubles.
And I would actually tell herand remind her, you're gonna be
okay.
You are gonna be okay.
(39:23):
And I feel, yeah, and I feelthat.
That, um, belief that I had hadwas an intuitive, was an
intuition that I had, but it wasdefinitely a great thing to have
imparted.
Oh, definitely.
That would've massively made adifference in her life for sure.
And she's okay now?
Yes.
She's amazing.
That's beautiful.
Absolutely amazing because I'veYeah.
(39:44):
Mother and great with a lot thatI've struggled with, um, with
that as well.
So, in your view, what's moredangerous for a practitioner
overthinking or ignoring theirinner knowing?
Gosh, they're both are shocking.
They're, aren't they?
Oh, dead heat.
Um, not one.
Yeah.
Overthinking or ignoring.
Well, look, if you ignore yourinstincts or your, you know,
(40:07):
those little downloads you'regetting, then it's gonna get
passed on to somebody else.
So you have to ask yourself thequestion, if you receive a
download and you ignore it, andthen someone else is doing it.
The next month.
Mm-hmm.
How are you going to feel asopposed to if you just keep
(40:27):
overthinking everything andyou're walking on that treadmill
and you're overwhelming, so itreally will vary person.
It's the pattern person.
Person holds people back, isn'tit?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like.
Progress over perfection, whichis why we are here today.
Right?
It's that exact thing that says,let's take action, even though
we don't really know what we'redoing.
It's just so that, that is agreat question, Lisa.
Yeah.
But I feel like it definitelywill come down to that
(40:49):
individual person.
Yeah.
You know?
But they're both pretty.
They're both pretty disarminghuge.
So if someone feels disconnectedfrom their intuition, what's the
first small step they can taketo rebuild that trust?
Trust or intuition?
Trust.
So if they felt so, they feeldisconnected from their
intuition.
So quite often, a lot ofpractitioners I work with in the
(41:11):
wellness field, chiropractors,doctors, they're very left brain
analytical and logical.
'cause that's where most oftheir, um, workers come from,
right?
Yeah.
So disconnected from.
Their intuition.
So what's the first step thatthey can take to rebuild that
trust?
Trust in their inner, theknowing, trust in their
intuition.
So it comes down to, for, therewas going to be a couple of
(41:32):
answers, but for thatparticular, word trust.
Yep.
And that question, it would comeback to what we teach in
neurolinguistic programmingabout clean language.
So to get a piece of paper andwhat is it that's actually
happening here?
What is it that I am feeling?
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Where is this coming from?
What is the purpose?
Ask yourself all those what,where and when.
Questions, if it was about, andthen you seek the truth.
You can identify what's comingfrom those beliefs or from
others, or is this actuallytrue?
Exactly.
You know, like, this is true forme.
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I remember someone saying, youknow.
Oh, you seem really stressed outtoday.
And then I'm like, oh, you know,you can almost take on that
other person's perspective whenquite often we are mirrors for
each other.
Right?
Yeah.
And then it's like, is thattrue?
Am I stressed today?
No, actually I feel quite Wellthat's a good point actually,
Lisa, that's a very good trust.
That's a very good point.
(42:34):
Because what is it that thatare, that are about myself that
I do not trust?
And.
Where is that?
And it can just be coming fromskill.
It's a learned skill that noone's ever told anyone.
Yeah.
The power of their emotions.
Quite often in our society, theemotion has been suppressed shut
down, especially with ourbeautiful men.
Mm-hmm.
(42:54):
You know, I've had men come intomy healing workshops and they're
brave men because they'll belike, you know, 28 women and two
men.
And when they tap into theiremotion, and that's what the
attunement to reiki does, is itjust shifts things and puts them
directly in communication withtheir soul.
Yeah.
They feel that soul's love.
It's like a physical,transformation that they get and
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they'll literally break down andsob and it's the most beautiful
thing to bear witness to, like aman just fully finally opening
that floodgate.
Yeah.
And what I've seen in, inexperience is that the emotions
leave quickly.
Quite often there's more feararound what it's gonna feel like
to release a trauma or toreexperience it.
(43:38):
But quite often it's soempowering.
It's just a, it's, it's a quickgentle release.
And then there's a lightnessthat follows maybe the next day,
but maybe sometimes the emotionscan be a bit exhausting.
But yeah.
And that brings me to lightness.
To it right when they let go.
Absolutely.
I hear what you're saying,especially about like opening up
those floodgates, especially formen and seeing that, what you
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just kind of, reminded me of aswell is that.
Every emotion will have its ownhigher purpose.
So what could be the higherpurpose?
'cause our subconscious minddoesn't deliberately give us
these terrible, shockingfeelings to no deliberately
(44:23):
stuff us up.
It's doing it to protect us.
So what is it protecting usfrom?
And I believe also that if wecan.
Tap into, well, what could Ibenefit from having this fear?
And, you know, reallyunderstanding where that comes
from so that you can release itand let it go.
(44:44):
And of course, as you know,there are so many modalities
where you can even play with it,pulling it outta your body.
Looking at it, noticing whatcolor it is, what would it be
saying if it had a voice, youknow?
What would we prefer it to be?
Now that's the big$64 millionquestion.
So if we could turn fear to,perhaps power.
(45:07):
So that we understand that fearis just false evidence appearing
real.
Appearing real.
Yeah.
You know, so if we can changethat energy and then switch it,
like, what do I need?
I need to feel trust.
Well, what do I trust myself in?
And bringing anchoring in thosefeelings.
Mm-hmm.
And then, and, and changing thecoding system and just bringing
(45:29):
it back in, into our body.
And, um, breath work, thenbreathing, that's the life
force.
Perfect.
Well, we have, um, there's somuch that you've unpacked in
this, in this session, so thankyou so much Terry, and I'm sure
there is so much more wisdomthat you could share.
I will definitely get you backon the podcast.
Thank you, Lisa, at anotherdate.
(45:50):
So how can people find out moreabout your new Master key
program?
Yep.
What is the best place for themto head?
So Terry messenger.com or nlphypnotherapy.com.
And yeah, hit me up on socialsunder my name with Terry with an
I Messenger and, uh, Instagram,Facebook, TikTok, all places.
(46:14):
We'll drop all that informationin the show notes.
And just before we go, I like toask people, what's the one
question I haven't asked?
Wow, that would make this, yeah,that would bring out the, yeah.
Look, I really feel you'vecovered it so well.
(46:35):
What could be a question?
Um, so is there anything, whatwould I like to what, what, what
do I visualize for the future?
Oh, great question.
What do you visualize for thefuture, Terry Messenger?
Okay, well, miracles.
Yeah, the Magic of Miracles, ifI can just say it like that.
And every day Miracles, helpingtap tap into those supernatural
(46:58):
miracles and not just lookingfor unrealistic, profound
things, but the incrementallittle miracles and being
grateful for them.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
You know, it's the, it is quiteoften the small things we miss
the most, isn't it?
When we lose our loved ones.
I remember a mother of a, a ladythat had lost a child and she
said to me, oh, what I wouldn'tgive just to hear that.
(47:23):
Back door slamming one moretime.
You know, and, and it's just,isn't it these things that quite
often we take for granted.
And, you know, and I've spokento, um, many of my students
about the power of gratitude andjust focusing on sometimes these
lives challenges and the thingsthat are the most painful for us
to experience.
And you and I have bothcertainly been through our dark
(47:44):
times.
It gives, the space for.
Love to come in and fill thatvoid, doesn't it?
Yeah.
And it creates connection withothers that is unlike anything
else.
When you can be open andvulnerable and share, and you're
absolutely right.
Relationship in my experience isthe most important thing.
(48:05):
Yeah.
And we have such a beautifulopportunity to have a rich,
diverse life, and if we justseek out to understand each
other with compassion andkindness.
And love the world will be amuch better place.
So I'm so glad you're by my sidesweetheart.
Sharing your love, sharing yourlight, sharing your wisdom with
the world.
And together we're gonna see amovement of change where people
(48:28):
tap into their intuition, trustthemselves, and love and care
for others.
So thank you again, Terry.
Thank you Lisa.
There's a quiet evolution happening in the world
of wellness.
One that's not about treatmentsor techniques, but about tuning
in.
And today's conversation is forthe practitioners, the healers,
the professionals who arebeginning to ask, what if I
could bring.
All of myself to the work that Ido./
Speaker (00:22):
Welcome to Connecting to Spirit.
I am your host, Lisa Brandis,and I'm here to help you unlock
your intuition channel withclarity and deep dive into
self-discovery, all whilenavigating the ups and downs of
personal and spiritual growth.
If you're ready to say goodbyeto self-doubt, embrace your
(00:44):
unique gifts and connect with asupportive community on the same
journey, then you're in theright place.
Whether you're just starting outor you've been walking this path
for years, this podcast is hereto guide you, support you, and
inspire you every step of theway.
So grab a cozy spot, settle in,and let's dive into some
(01:06):
empowering insights together.
Lisa Brandis (01:08):
My special guest today is Terry Messenger, a
transformational coach whose ownjourney through self-doubt,
addiction and trauma, led her todiscover the life-changing power
of NLP and hypnosis afterradically transforming her own
life.
(01:28):
She.
Found her true calling, which isguiding others to reprogram
their subconscious minds releasetrauma and unlock their highest
potential.
Terry's mission is especiallypowerful for those in the
wellness field, people who arecalled to heal others, but
sometimes loose sight of theirown inner alignment.
(01:49):
This episode is about how tocome home to your intuitive
power and lead from a place ofpurpose.
Welcome to connecting to Spirit.
Oh, thank you Lisa.
It is so good to be here andworth every moment of getting
set up for this beautifulpodcast.
We are recording in aprofessional studio today and
(02:10):
beautiful.
Terry went on the journey withme of figuring this out.
I kind of wanted to explore thedifference between.
Being in the presence and in theroom with somebody.
I was having a chat with myhusband and he was saying that
Steven Bartlett, was talkingabout how when he's in an
interview and you can really seeand feel the energy of the
person, it allows for a moretransformative experience.
(02:32):
And that's what I'm really keenon today.
So we are gonna deep dive in.
I couldn't agree more actually.
You know, there's nothing like,you know, being in person and I
feel that we lost that a littlebit, uh, through the pandemic.
Yep.
So it's, it's actually great tobe here in person with you,
(02:53):
Lisa.
We were talking in the car onthe way in Terry, about.
You are probably one of yourmost pivotal points, on your
journey that kind of flippedthe, the script for you and took
you on a deep dive into your ownself-healing and which led to
NLP.
Do you wanna let, let us know alittle bit about what that, you
know, what that turning point.
Journey was for you?
Yeah, sure.
(03:14):
Well, look, I believe that Ialways had a gift within me and
I was one of those kind ofpeople that grew up feeling a
little bit like the black sheep.
I didn't.
Excel in school, but I foundthat any topics that I did, it
was either I was at the top ofthe class or I was right down
(03:35):
the bottom.
I never kind of did anything inbetween.
I was quite a troubled teenager,so I kind of led a bit of a
rebellious life I really hadeverything on a plate for me.
I went to a Catholic school.
I also contribute a lot.
Of my public relations skills,Lisa, to the fact that I had
(03:57):
gone through eight differentschools.
So I had to adapt very well tokind of change and people.
But what I did find is that Iexcelled on stage and you know,
a lot of people will say to me,you know, is confidence
something?
Think that we acquire or is itborn?
(04:19):
And I don't believe you are bornwith confidence.
Nobody is born with confidence.
And I felt that by default.
'cause you as a channeler wouldunderstand this.
Um, you know, you've got Anyaand you kind of tap into Anya
and you get these downloads andthese incredible transmissions,
(04:41):
which I've experienced myself,and they're just.
You can't make this stuff up.
And so for me it was reallyabout the fact that I had this
kind of other part of me thatwould come out and, it was that.
Part of me on stage.
(05:02):
It was that part of me, when Ineeded to perform.
And, it was just something thatI really adapted to.
So, after, being sacked fromeight jobs in a row, that was a
really big pivotal time in myrole.
Is it because you're a trueentrepreneur?
Work works?
Absolutely.
I'm unemployable Lisa.
(05:22):
You don't know what you don'tknow and really in life, I knew
that when I went into the wrongjobs,'cause mom and dad, they
put me through all thiseducation.
So I had a lot of good educationand I went to business college,
it wasn't for me to be in anadministrative role.
You know, I wanted to be out thefront.
(05:43):
The light needed to shinebrighter than that.
Yeah.
I wanted to be out the frontwith people.
And you know that is where Isang, but I think.
This comes back to people'spurpose.
Sometimes you don't know there'sa missing link in life.
And you don't know why.
And quite often that it'sbecause you haven't tapped into
(06:05):
your true life purpose.
True power.
I was called to find my purpose.
So it was almost like theuniverse kept throwing me
against the wall.
And you know, if you believe inGod, you know.
You can't blame God when badthings happen.
But quite often God will allowthings to happen, you know, so
that we can kind of carve ourcharacter and create that part
(06:28):
of us that, you know, we aresupposed to become.
So, you know, all these signs ofbeing in the wrong jobs getting
fired.
My self-esteem obviously.
Plummeted pluming.
Yeah, I can imagine.
Absolutely.
Terrible.
And you know, then I remember Iaccidentally fell over my first
job that, where I was in a salesrole and what I didn't know is I
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didn't know, but I excelled in,so on my first day I sold 12
pairs of shoes and I thoughtthat was terrible, just doing
what came naturally and didn'thave any signs at that young age
of 18.
That, hang on a minute, Terry.
You know, this is what you arecalled to do.
You are called to connect withpeople.
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Was it about sales?
I don't think so, Lisa.
I think it was about connectingwith.
The other person and reallygetting to know them.
Like I found that I would knowwhy they were buying the shoes.
I mean, it was a very, high endshoe shop and it was in the
city, and so we were gettinglike celebrities and people like
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that that would be comingthrough and I would find out.
What are you here for?
And it was just a natural wayabout me that I would be able to
connect with people.
And so, and that's the key wordthere, isn't it?
Confidence.
Yeah.
And being able to connect withpeople.
I love what you said about noteveryone's born confident.
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You know, it's kind of learn.
Behavior and develops over time,and I kind of think intuition's
a little bit the same.
We kind of believe that somepeople are just naturally
confident and naturally giftedor naturally intuitive or
spiritual or psychic, but in myexperience, it's a learned skill
if there's that passion and ifwe follow.
Passion and what it is thatlights us up.
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And it sounds to me like youfound that natural ability
through sales, through justcaring and having a genuine
curiosity about people and aninterest in their lives.
And I find that when wenaturally bond with someone, and
we know that sales is anemotional transaction.
So when someone feels valued,they feel like you've seen them.
And then naturally.
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It's how do I help you throughsales?
So then how do I help you?
And then almost the shoes sellthemself, don't they?
Because they've come with apurpose.
And mostly what they're gonna dois walk out of that shop and
feel like, wow, that lady wasamazing.
And well, you're connecting.
You're connecting with peopleand, and, and you know, when I
did eventually learnneurolinguistic programming and
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of course I had to go throughlife.
And learn all my other lessonsbefore.
Yeah, don't skip over that bit.
So how did, did you got to that?
So, you know, I, how did youcome to learn NLP?
So I did all the things thatnormal people did.
You know, I got married at 24years of age.
I had my first baby when I was26.
And then.
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You know, I, I was a naturalmother in a way.
So, the instinct of being amother was quite natural.
It was like what you see in theanimal kingdom, but it wasn't
enough.
I couldn't just be that personthat was at, at home with
children.
And then of course, by the timeI got to the third one.
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I had probably one of the worstcases, that I can possibly
imagine of postnatal depression.
And, you know, life kind of wentdown a very dark, slippery
slope.
I managed to get myself up a bitwhen I found my passion.
I joined.
The church and you know, I evendid a bachelor of ministries,
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which I didn't actually carrybefore.
Okay.
So, so just for the timeline ofunderstanding for the listeners,
was that when you,'cause I knowyou married Ian.
Yes.
Who's a chiropractor.
Yeah.
So, and you both ran a centerThat's right.
So if we go back around the sametime or was that before?
Well, that's a good question.
You must have tapped in.
You're very intuitive, Lisa,because I met Ian through my
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studies now I didn't Oh, throughthe church?
Uh, through Baptist TheologicalCollege.
Oh.
So I did not complete, I do needto say I did not complete my
Bachelor of Ministries Fellalive and then that was it.
Nothing else?
No.
I met his daughter.
Oh, and, uh, she was a student.
And I was a student.
And then, you know, I mean, mylife, nothing seemed to add up.
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And I think when people are, ina position where things are not
right, their lives are not ontrack.
It almost seems like a messyjigsaw puzzle.
Like one closed door afteranother where just nothing seems
to go your way.
Well, it's like, you know, whyam I here?
What am I doing here?
Nothing.
Thing kind of made sense.
(11:15):
Yeah.
Um, I, I did this because I washungry for something, so my soul
was searching for the purposethat was calling me, and
unfortunately, it did end upresulting in a marital
breakdown.
So my marital, uh, breakdownhappened after being with my
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childhood sweetheart.
So the way that it all happened,everything came to a screeching
halt, but when it did happen,nobody could accept it.
That was around me because wewere like the perfect couple.
We had the children, we had thehouse, we had what society dance
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and everything.
And we had so many friends andwe were everyone's barbecue
friends and mm-hmm.
So we had all of these things,but secretly deep down inside,
we were sort of two lost soulsin a way.
I feel that we, I lost myself.
Now.
We are great friends today andI'm so grateful that, you know,
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he's the father of my children.
When I met Ian, it was, he'dlost his wife.
So his wife passed away, in2006, and he'd been on a long
journey as well.
So he'd been suffering with herfor quite a few years.
So when that happened, it seemedlike everything happened quick.
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Yeah.
But it didn't happen as quick.
As what people thought.
So on the other side of theworld, there was my life and
then on his side of the world,there was his life.
And you know, when everything,like when his wife passed away,
when my marriage broke down,when we met and we came
together, it was like it wasmeant to be.
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It was almost ordained.
But for a lot of people it waslike, this is too fast, this is
too quick.
But for, so making thedifference how, you know, quite
often people, yeah.
We'll have, um, very strongopinions on the choices that we
are making.
It can make it so hard, it'shard enough to make these
massive life changes.
Yeah.
Let alone having everyone'sopinions weighing in on it.
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Yeah.
And, and that taught me tobecome very strong.
Yeah.
And I think a lot of ouradversities, Lisa, do teach us
strength.
And I had a lot of adversitiesthrough my childhood, through my
teenage years.
I had a lot of trauma, so therewas already so much that was
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buried.
And usually what I find is thisis very typical.
Classically my clients were agedbetween 28 and 58.
So that seemed to be the agecategory.
And the reason it was 28 isbecause.
28 seems to be an age whenpeople start to kind of settle
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down.
A lot of life things seem to,settle and things start to catch
up with them.
And I think that's when thewheels fell off for me.
I believe that really the wheelshad fallen off around 27, 28.
So my client,'cause they say ourclients are a mirror of us.
And they might be two stepsbehind us.
They're not necessarily 10 yearsbehind us.
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And so, you know, it's the samething.
They're searching, I wassearching.
Is that led you to NLP was justthat search searching?
Uh, I get a lot of that with mystudents, just feeling like
something's missing that theydon't necessarily know what it
is.
Or I've, I've climbed thatacquisition, ladder got the
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kids, got the house, got thecar, got the status.
Mm.
But then still it's like, oh, Ithought this was meant to bring
happiness.
So we realize then that thehappiness doesn't come from it.
The materialistic, yeah.
Gains does it that, yeah.
For me, the transformation comesfrom that deep connection to our
soul and that, and then thatallows, like we spoke earlier,
of connection.
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You know, to me, when we deeplyconnect with someone, yeah,
things just shift, don't they?
I think it's when you find yourpurpose, and this is where I've
come to know that it's thegenius zone, which is a bit of
an evolution for me.
And the podcast and the masterkey.
They're the, they're the twoevolutions and you know, so.
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Long story short, I met Ian andhe decided that he would put me
through neurolinguisticprogramming.
Now, I didn't know it was gonnabe such a life.
Changing situation because Ifelt that when I did my study
too.
You don't realize how much youactually unpack of your own life
in part of the training when youare, we, we were both
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discussing, we both did theYeah.
Big long diploma for ourclinical hypnotherapy.
Yes.
And it, it, I mean, but that's abeautiful gift, isn't it?
We think initially we're doingit to be able to serve others
and make a difference withothers.
And yet here it is, we startwith ourself.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So a week, uh, a week in thelife of, if you are.
Doing one hour ofneurolinguistic programming that
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if with a very good practitionercan be like a hundred years.
And I'm not even joking.
And I'll, I'll tell you why,because, there's a lot of
modalities, and I won't bore youwith all the different
modalities, but the, theperceptive shifts.
So the way that you look at theworld, the way you speak to
people, the way you rapport, andI remember thinking.
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I know this stuff.
Mm-hmm.
You like this is stuff camenaturally to you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like I had been doing alot of it, but there's something
about conscious competency aswell.
Mm-hmm.
Like, okay.
You are more vigilant if youwill.
I think the big turning pointthough, Lisa was we had a day
where we did timeline therapy.
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Oh.
You start studied that.
Time line therapy is likenothing on this earth.
Then I've gone on to do a lot ofquantum physics.
Me too.
Which such similar, a lot of thesuper conscious and the, you
know, with the mixture of mydiploma with hypnosis and the
spiritual gift I, I, I guess aswell.
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So when I did the timeline forme personally, you, you had to.
You know, discover that time wasof a, you know, every single
person has a different timeline.
And it was a matter ofdiscovering, well, how do you do
your past?
How do you do your future?
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How do you do your present?
And quite often people have gottheir past in front of them.
Hence why they can't moveforward, So you know, when I
learned that you had to reallysubconsciously organize and you
could reorganize time and thenmap out.
What were the three significantemotional, traumatic events?
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And mine happened to beobviously the one where, you
know, my marriage had brokendown.
So you look at the most recentone.
So that recent one and, and thedarkness and everything that was
going on for me personally, thathad no reflection on anyone
else.
It was just my own journey.
So there was that element.
And there was then the16-year-old.
(18:30):
So there was a significant timegoing back at 16 where I had a
trauma.
And then of course, the firstone, so the first one was around
the age of eight.
All of these three, even thoughthere was a lot of others in
between, what happens is you areutilizing it like weightbearing
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walls.
So if you've got a house withstructure and you pull away the
main weightbearing walls, whathappens to the roof?
Yeah, it collapses.
So in the same way, what we aredoing is we are going, right, we
are, we are bringing that one.
When we're gonna knock that oneover, we're gonna go back to the
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8-year-old child.
We're gonna knock that one over.
We're gonna go to the, the otherone in the middle, which
happened to be for me, 16.
We're gonna knock that one over.
But in doing that, you, you'resort of taking yourself back in
time and you are learning.
And this is the big element,like the learning position.
And you know, when I did that,it took around about 20 minutes
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and my life absolutely shiftedand changed radical change so
dramatically, and I didn'texpect it.
Mm, I did not expect.
So well, life changing.
Yeah.
And I'm very much, well, in theChristian world, when I was
doing, you know, when I was atchurch and I was doing all those
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sorts of things, I was reallywell known as like an
evangelist.
So I'm very, I've got thatevangelist spirit.
Yeah.
Whereas if I come acrosssomething good, I don't hide it,
I share it with the world.
So of course we, you know, setup clinic Ian, it.
Been a chiropractor for, youknow, some 30 years.
However, we reestablished aclinic together.
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And he brought a lot of hisclients because being so
incredible at what he did.
And, you know, I had a captiveaudience.
So, you know, I built a verysuccessful business very
quickly.
Yeah.
So that was, my starting andwhen people would come in.
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Their lives would change sodramatically.
So I was healing detectives withthe most traumatic, what they'd
witnessed.
Oh, the power of hypnosis forunlocking trauma.
Yeah.
And just rewiring the brain sothat we can release the emotion
to the pain.
Exactly.
And then be able to accept it.
'cause we can't change it.
It's happened.
But really just find a place of.
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Acceptance and awareness of whatit is to be able to move
through.
It does create really bigtransformational breakthroughs
for people, doesn't it?
Yeah, it really does.
And then, I was shifting warVets, now that's a big one.
So, and they never came in tosay, I need to be healed from
my.
War experience, you know?
Mm-hmm.
So usually it was they had anaddiction.
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In this case a man copingmechanism had smoked two packs
of cigarettes every single day.
Mm-hmm.
And then I heard a whisper ofhim being in the war in Croatia.
Mm-hmm.
And I said, we need to deal withthat.
Oh, no, no, no.
But they don't like to talkabout it.
No.
Very, very private.
Yeah.
Especially with their emotions.
Well, they're just locked intoit.
Yep.
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So.
We unlock that and that set himfree.
And of course, that's where itmakes the addiction.
It makes the transformation morereal.
Yeah.
More strong, more rock solid.
So they're not just, cuttingsomething off at a, sort of like
you're pulling off the plant,then it's the weed is regrowing
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or whatever.
You are literally going deep.
Underneath the system, you'repulling that out and you're
extracting it, it at the core.
Yeah, exactly.
I found when I was taughthypnosis, we were, we were
taught that sometimes sometherapies just turn off a
dripping tap, whereas withhypno, you know, with, or kind
of catch the water and empty thecup.
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Sorry.
If you've got a dripping tap,you've got the water.
You're just emptying the cup.
But with hypnotherapy, we turnthe tap off.
So it really does allow us tomake those internal changes.
And addiction is so, they'removing away from pain or towards
pleasure, you know?
So quite often when we look atan understanding of addiction
and ultimately these people justneed to be loved and supported.
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And yet from a culturalperspective, it's like they get
kicked to the curb, really?
Mm.
And kind of judged a lot insociety.
So I think, I think it's a cryfor help, isn't it?
Well, well, people areattracting also back in the same
patterns, and what I'vediscovered is that we keep
attracting the same.
Patterns, the emotions, the allof the elements until we learn.
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Mm.
So we've really gotta have thatcoming circling back.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's like the universesaying, well, you wouldn't put a
17-year-old, uh, you know,teenager in a car and let them
drive if they've never learned.
They've got to learn first.
And the moment they learn, thatperson that's helping them can
jump out of the car, they can,you know, redo it.
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That's my metaphor.
And.
That's exactly how it is inlife.
If we don't, that's reallyempowering, isn't it?
Yeah.
When we do, when, when we givethem the skills.
Mm.
And then we help them, it'salmost walking with them through
those dark patches, knowing thatthey're supported.
That they're nurtured andultimately in that
non-judgmental space, isn't it?
Yes.
And we don't judge because we'vebeen through our own
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experiences, and I think that'swhat makes for a huge.
Powerful.
Definitely supportive transfer.
And so when people can go back,say on their timeline, and NLP
has so many powerful modalities,fast phobia cures that it has
trauma, stress releases.
So I was kind of bringing theseall together and releasing
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people's trauma.
Mm-hmm.
And.
What I found is when I enteredinto the online space in 2017,
that was a bit of a rude shockbecause mm-hmm.
We were talking about thatearlier.
We both literally took anin-person in, you know, and also
teaching workshops to the onlinedigital space, and it's
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completely different.
It wasn't as.
Easy as I'd thought either.
So it was, yeah, very different.
I thought, oh, this is gonna bea walk in the piece.
Especially when you've used to alevel of success.
Like I was the same, you know,we didn't have to do much
marketing.
People were just coming, word ofmouth referral was really
strong.
Yeah.
And then all of a sudden it's adifferent, it's world.
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It's a whole different world.
Totally different world.
But you, you really need to knowwho your niche is.
So if you are in the onlinespace, you're not, you know,
like the work that, the sort ofwork that we're doing here.
You can really, and a greatcoach can.
Help anyone, even if it means,'cause I'd helped musicians and
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I can't play the piano.
Um mm-hmm.
I can't sing for nuts.
Mm-hmm.
But I would be able to helpthose musicians because I had
the right tools and that'sreally the sign of a great
coach.
You don't have to necessarilyknow everything, but you just
need to know how to shift.
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A person's trauma, unleash themso that they can rise in their
power and their gift is what'swithin them.
And that is what can then comeout.
And this is, this was the bigmagic, uh, gold nugget for me
when I entered into the.
Uh, online space and thenthought, oh my gosh, you know,
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everybody's a confidence coach.
Everybody's a trauma coach.
Everybody's, everybody's doingthis.
And so you're sort of swimmingwith a sea, small fish and a big
sharks.
Yep.
And you know, a lot of peoplejust sort of grabbed on as well
because it was a good, you know,especially through the pandemic
and when that happened.
So.
Really what happened for me is Ihad to look at not trauma and
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the fact that that is myspecialty, that is my, you know,
superpower of, of releasing andhealing and doing all those
things.
What I had to look at is whatwas happening, what was the
evolution after that personhealed, and that's what.
Made me suddenly go back toclinic days and go, well, what
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did happen?
Men, you know, businessmenbecame multi-millionaires.
Women found their voice andsuddenly so powerful.
There's so many women thatstruggle with that.
Exactly.
So they would suddenly come inand say, you know, and the, the
most famous words that I wouldhear is, Terry, you are never
gonna believe this.
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Mm-hmm.
And the reason that I would hearthose words so often.
Is because what they were aboutto tell me next never was
something they didn't believe.
They didn't know.
And they never spoke to me aboutit.
And in the end I'd be like,well, try me because I'm getting
used to this.
And for every person it wasdifferent because what was
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happening is it was lifting thatglass, you know, ceiling that
ceiling off.
It was allowing them to discovertheir life purpose, and that's
where the genius zone was born.
Um, turning pain to power.
That's where purpose, passion,and the master key, because I
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realized that.
It doesn't matter who you are,what you wanna strive for.
What I discovered in clinicafter working with, I think when
I'd, by the time we'd soldclinic i'd, I'd actually worked
with over 6,000 people.
Wow.
It's not just that one personthat you help, you know, to.
Heal and to transform.
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It's when they are the bestversion of themselves.
They go back and they're kinderas parents and they're kinder to
their family members and theirloved ones, and it almost does
just create this ripple effectthat, you know, starts to build
a bit of a movement.
It really does.
It really does, because that'swhat happens.
And I think people surprisethemself.
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Mm.
With.
That ripple effect.
Yeah, because, you know, I mean,I know we need counselors, we
need psychologists, and youknow, totally, God only knows
that, the work we do though ismore, it's faster, it's more
outcome orientated.
So that means that we're, youknow, pulling out.
That deep rooted system that'sholding them back so that they
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can go through it, thrive sothey can.
And so when you get it, when youget it from the root, when you
can go back and really knowwhere that started, and
sometimes it goes beyond whatthey know, it can go back
ancestral into, you know, like.
Past generations, and somepeople call it past lives, it
just depends on your beliefs andeverything.
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Mm-hmm.
But you know, we can go back 10generations of time and discover
that they were carrying a burdenfrom their great-great-great,
great, great grandmother orgrandfather, and that needed to
actually be dealt with.
So at that level, when it'sreleased, which is what I'd done
for my own life, that's whenpeople stood into their true
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calling, who they were, whatthey were born to be, who and
what they were here to do onthis planet.
Because, you know, that's mymission to help as many people
to find their mission because Iknow that at the end of the day,
happiness is kind of almost verysuperficial.
You know, you can say, oh, I'mhappy today because of this,
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this, this, and this, but.
You know, finding your solepurpose is a very deep, inner
core element of joy that is sofulfilling.
No one can take that away.
Mm.
And it's, it comes, it does comefrom a really grounded place,
doesn't it?
Mm.
You know, when, when I lovedOprah once termed the coin,
(30:31):
ecstatic joy, and I'm like,that's it.
It's like a, it encompasses apeaceful feeling, but there's
also energy behind it.
And you know, it is at the corefoundation is love, isn't it?
When we can absolutely expressourself, when we can make great
connections, and when we canalso empower others.
And you know, I think we're bothrecognizing at this stage of our
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life, it's not about us anymore.
It's about the movement.
It's about seeing people thriveand seeing people awaken to
their divine potential.
And then being able to have theconfidence to live it.
And sometimes that confidence inmy experience has been courage.
You know, courage to step out ofwhat perhaps society is deemed
as the norm and, follow your ownpath.
And sometimes that meanscreating a new one, and living
(31:15):
on that kind of edge where youare moving into new foreign
places and, really finding.
The thing that lights you up.
And in my experience, it's beenan expansion.
You know, it's an evolution,isn't it?
We're always changing.
We're always shifting.
We're growing.
And yes, I had the pleasure ofjoining you on one of your
(31:37):
special master classes a coupleof nights ago.
We talked about the master key,and you talked about this
amazing, incredible program thatyou have created too.
Literally, I think there was aword billionaire.
Billion dollar energy, billiondollar energy.
And that really because I'm anenergy healer and focus on
channeling and, and intuitionwith professionals as well.
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Um, I really love the idea ofjust, no.
To me, that just speaks of nolimitations.
Like it is just when you'reempowered.
When you are following thatpath, that intuition's just
lighting you up, doors open,synchronicity happens.
The right people come at theright time.
You know, when we are just, tome that is our natural state,
but the person that gets in theway and holds ourself out from
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the things that we really, yeah.
You know, that we really know weare passionate about is quite
often our own limiting beliefsand Yeah.
So to get the mind working forus instead of against us.
Exactly.
That's when we open that door.
Yeah.
And I know you talked about.
You know, a few MasterKey and,and that's master key one, Lisa.
So there go see an the connect.
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Yeah.
So the reason that I, I makethat number one is because it
doesn't matter how talented,gifted, or successful you are or
rich you are without.
The health of your body.
Oh yeah.
You've got nothing.
So basically, so what basicallyis the first one?
Yeah, so master key one isbillion dollar energy and
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health.
Ageless mind.
Timeless body.
I mean, when I became a clinicalhypnotherapist, that was sort of
what I became known for as ahypnotherapist, like helping
people with their body.
Getting their body into that,you know, that, that form that
they wanted, you know, droppingexcess kilos.
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A lot of people would come in ifthey had, you know, even things
like, you know, Lyme disease orthey had a lot of autoimmunity.
Um, because what we are findingis that it all comes from the
manifestation of emotions.
Absolutely.
And there is the correl storedin the body.
Yeah.
So when we release that, that iswhen we rise up.
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So that's master key one.
Two is recoding therelationships.
And that's really becauseeverything's about
relationships, as you know.
I mean, we were born intofamilies or guardians, but
there's always people, but thepeople around us.
Actually help form our beliefsand our values.
So a, you know, all of us havethose stories that we tell
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ourself that we're not goodenough.
Mm-hmm.
And we have patterns with peopleand we have good ones, and we
have not so good ones and wehave terrible ones.
And so it's really about beingable to recode and rebirth.
So that we're not carrying thesame affliction.
We're not, we are not attractingthe same people.
And I mean, I'm still doing thesame thing.
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I mean, we always, I believe weare always gonna have to work on
ourself.
And then number three, which isvery popular, especially in the
coaching space, is prosperitycodes.
And this is where abundance,yes, this is where it comes
from.
The way you see yourself, yourself-worth, your self, love your
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frequency.
So quite often, and I think thishappens in the coaching space,
sometimes when you're passionateand you're giving like yourself,
you almost feel guilty.
To be overcharging.
And then there's people outthere that go for broken,
they're ruthless.
Um, but, you know, needless tosay, but the, like that
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entitlement.
But I feel that when we have areally rock solid value of our
own self-worth, our self-love,and our self-empowerment and
confidence, the frequency ofmoney and.
You know how that becomes moreapparent in prosperity supports
that if you go really deep intothe prosperity codes, it comes
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into masculine and feminine,which you would know about the
masculine and feminine energyand how that works in the coding
of the body.
And then last of all, four is.
The genius zone.
So you've done a lot of healingand like I have noticed with
people, you heal and then youfind that you turn your pain
(36:03):
into your power.
That's your genius zone.
That's where your message.
Yeah.
And uh, and finally five is yourlegacy.
You know what legacy now are wegonna live for a lot of people
that may be not coaches, healersand leaders, their legacy may be
that.
They went back, they healedsomething that had been going
down the family line forgenerations and it, the buck
(36:25):
stopped it.
Stop with them.
Yeah.
Beautiful.
And that's a legacy.
And for others we're, you know,teaching and how do I share now
helping Yeah.
What I've form and market thatmessage.
Mm-hmm.
And make it very authentic andvery real and very part of their
own DNA'cause a lot of coachesand healers are so good at what.
(36:45):
They do, but they arestruggling.
Mm-hmm.
Getting traction in the onlinespace as you know.
Yeah.
So it's about when we all cometogether, we can all thrive and
support one another.
Isn't it?
So there's something aboutcontributing together, creates,
more energy.
Alright.
We're nearly coming to the endof this beautiful conversation.
Terry.
Thank you so much for everythingthat you've unpacked for our
(37:08):
listener.
So I've got a quick lightninground that I want to fire at
you, so we will see how quicklywe can get through these six
questions.
So I just want your shortanswer.
You ready for it?
And she doesn't know thesequestions.
Go, go, go.
So let's go.
What's one daily ritual youpersonally use to reconnect with
your intuition, especially onthose chaotic or off days?
(37:31):
Grounding.
So yeah, grounding.
Yep.
So how can a wellnesspractitioner tell the difference
between fear and in anintuitive?
Insight.
Okay.
So fear is really something thatcomes from a past experience.
Where the intuition and thespiritual element is more about,
(37:56):
I get this feeling that this isnot right and I need to listen
to this and it might not makelogical sense, but I into that
track.
Yeah, I might fall into thattrap, Lisa.
So we all do.
Yeah.
And it might not make logicalsense, but there's just a re
there's just something we know,but we don't know why.
Yeah.
Beautiful.
What's the most surprising thingyour intuition ever told you
that turned out to be right?
Ooh.
(38:16):
Okay.
So I believe it was probablyabout becoming a practitioner.
because I never ever went intoNLP to do that.
That intention, it was selfhealing.
That was not my intention.
Beautiful.
But there was something deep,deep inside of me from even when
I was a child that saw what I'mdoing today, and I have the same
(38:40):
thing.
Isn't it funny when there was apart of me.
And it wasn't from an ego place,but there was a part of me that
knew I was here to do somethingspecial and that, and it was
just like, there was thisknowing that I'd been put in
here for a reason.
Yeah.
And some part of me had toawaken.
I do just wanna say one morething though.
Go for it.
Um, one of my children that hadlived a very troubled life as a
(39:02):
teenager and became very, veryill with anorexia nervosa.
Oh.
Uh, and we nearly lost her.
Um, I knew she was gonna be okayand I knew right from when she
was going through the thick ofher troubles.
And I would actually tell herand remind her, you're gonna be
okay.
You are gonna be okay.
(39:23):
And I feel, yeah, and I feelthat.
That, um, belief that I had hadwas an intuitive, was an
intuition that I had, but it wasdefinitely a great thing to have
imparted.
Oh, definitely.
That would've massively made adifference in her life for sure.
And she's okay now?
Yes.
She's amazing.
That's beautiful.
Absolutely amazing because I'veYeah.
(39:44):
Mother and great with a lot thatI've struggled with, um, with
that as well.
So, in your view, what's moredangerous for a practitioner
overthinking or ignoring theirinner knowing?
Gosh, they're both are shocking.
They're, aren't they?
Oh, dead heat.
Um, not one.
Yeah.
Overthinking or ignoring.
Well, look, if you ignore yourinstincts or your, you know,
(40:07):
those little downloads you'regetting, then it's gonna get
passed on to somebody else.
So you have to ask yourself thequestion, if you receive a
download and you ignore it, andthen someone else is doing it.
The next month.
Mm-hmm.
How are you going to feel asopposed to if you just keep
(40:27):
overthinking everything andyou're walking on that treadmill
and you're overwhelming, so itreally will vary person.
It's the pattern person.
Person holds people back, isn'tit?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like.
Progress over perfection, whichis why we are here today.
Right?
It's that exact thing that says,let's take action, even though
we don't really know what we'redoing.
It's just so that, that is agreat question, Lisa.
Yeah.
But I feel like it definitelywill come down to that
(40:49):
individual person.
Yeah.
You know?
But they're both pretty.
They're both pretty disarminghuge.
So if someone feels disconnectedfrom their intuition, what's the
first small step they can taketo rebuild that trust?
Trust or intuition?
Trust.
So if they felt so, they feeldisconnected from their
intuition.
So quite often, a lot ofpractitioners I work with in the
(41:11):
wellness field, chiropractors,doctors, they're very left brain
analytical and logical.
'cause that's where most oftheir, um, workers come from,
right?
Yeah.
So disconnected from.
Their intuition.
So what's the first step thatthey can take to rebuild that
trust?
Trust in their inner, theknowing, trust in their
intuition.
So it comes down to, for, therewas going to be a couple of
(41:32):
answers, but for thatparticular, word trust.
Yep.
And that question, it would comeback to what we teach in
neurolinguistic programmingabout clean language.
So to get a piece of paper andwhat is it that's actually
happening here?
What is it that I am feeling?
(41:53):
Where is this coming from?
What is the purpose?
Ask yourself all those what,where and when.
Questions, if it was about, andthen you seek the truth.
You can identify what's comingfrom those beliefs or from
others, or is this actuallytrue?
Exactly.
You know, like, this is true forme.
(42:14):
I remember someone saying, youknow.
Oh, you seem really stressed outtoday.
And then I'm like, oh, you know,you can almost take on that
other person's perspective whenquite often we are mirrors for
each other.
Right?
Yeah.
And then it's like, is thattrue?
Am I stressed today?
No, actually I feel quite Wellthat's a good point actually,
Lisa, that's a very good trust.
That's a very good point.
(42:34):
Because what is it that thatare, that are about myself that
I do not trust?
And.
Where is that?
And it can just be coming fromskill.
It's a learned skill that noone's ever told anyone.
Yeah.
The power of their emotions.
Quite often in our society, theemotion has been suppressed shut
down, especially with ourbeautiful men.
Mm-hmm.
(42:54):
You know, I've had men come intomy healing workshops and they're
brave men because they'll belike, you know, 28 women and two
men.
And when they tap into theiremotion, and that's what the
attunement to reiki does, is itjust shifts things and puts them
directly in communication withtheir soul.
Yeah.
They feel that soul's love.
It's like a physical,transformation that they get and
(43:17):
they'll literally break down andsob and it's the most beautiful
thing to bear witness to, like aman just fully finally opening
that floodgate.
Yeah.
And what I've seen in, inexperience is that the emotions
leave quickly.
Quite often there's more feararound what it's gonna feel like
to release a trauma or toreexperience it.
(43:38):
But quite often it's soempowering.
It's just a, it's, it's a quickgentle release.
And then there's a lightnessthat follows maybe the next day,
but maybe sometimes the emotionscan be a bit exhausting.
But yeah.
And that brings me to lightness.
To it right when they let go.
Absolutely.
I hear what you're saying,especially about like opening up
those floodgates, especially formen and seeing that, what you
(44:02):
just kind of, reminded me of aswell is that.
Every emotion will have its ownhigher purpose.
So what could be the higherpurpose?
'cause our subconscious minddoesn't deliberately give us
these terrible, shockingfeelings to no deliberately
(44:23):
stuff us up.
It's doing it to protect us.
So what is it protecting usfrom?
And I believe also that if wecan.
Tap into, well, what could Ibenefit from having this fear?
And, you know, reallyunderstanding where that comes
from so that you can release itand let it go.
(44:44):
And of course, as you know,there are so many modalities
where you can even play with it,pulling it outta your body.
Looking at it, noticing whatcolor it is, what would it be
saying if it had a voice, youknow?
What would we prefer it to be?
Now that's the big$64 millionquestion.
So if we could turn fear to,perhaps power.
(45:07):
So that we understand that fearis just false evidence appearing
real.
Appearing real.
Yeah.
You know, so if we can changethat energy and then switch it,
like, what do I need?
I need to feel trust.
Well, what do I trust myself in?
And bringing anchoring in thosefeelings.
Mm-hmm.
And then, and, and changing thecoding system and just bringing
(45:29):
it back in, into our body.
And, um, breath work, thenbreathing, that's the life
force.
Perfect.
Well, we have, um, there's somuch that you've unpacked in
this, in this session, so thankyou so much Terry, and I'm sure
there is so much more wisdomthat you could share.
I will definitely get you backon the podcast.
Thank you, Lisa, at anotherdate.
(45:50):
So how can people find out moreabout your new Master key
program?
Yep.
What is the best place for themto head?
So Terry messenger.com or nlphypnotherapy.com.
And yeah, hit me up on socialsunder my name with Terry with an
I Messenger and, uh, Instagram,Facebook, TikTok, all places.
(46:14):
We'll drop all that informationin the show notes.
And just before we go, I like toask people, what's the one
question I haven't asked?
Wow, that would make this, yeah,that would bring out the, yeah.
Look, I really feel you'vecovered it so well.
(46:35):
What could be a question?
Um, so is there anything, whatwould I like to what, what, what
do I visualize for the future?
Oh, great question.
What do you visualize for thefuture, Terry Messenger?
Okay, well, miracles.
Yeah, the Magic of Miracles, ifI can just say it like that.
And every day Miracles, helpingtap tap into those supernatural
(46:58):
miracles and not just lookingfor unrealistic, profound
things, but the incrementallittle miracles and being
grateful for them.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
You know, it's the, it is quiteoften the small things we miss
the most, isn't it?
When we lose our loved ones.
I remember a mother of a, a ladythat had lost a child and she
said to me, oh, what I wouldn'tgive just to hear that.
(47:23):
Back door slamming one moretime.
You know, and, and it's just,isn't it these things that quite
often we take for granted.
And, you know, and I've spokento, um, many of my students
about the power of gratitude andjust focusing on sometimes these
lives challenges and the thingsthat are the most painful for us
to experience.
And you and I have bothcertainly been through our dark
(47:44):
times.
It gives, the space for.
Love to come in and fill thatvoid, doesn't it?
Yeah.
And it creates connection withothers that is unlike anything
else.
When you can be open andvulnerable and share, and you're
absolutely right.
Relationship in my experience isthe most important thing.
(48:05):
Yeah.
And we have such a beautifulopportunity to have a rich,
diverse life, and if we justseek out to understand each
other with compassion andkindness.
And love the world will be amuch better place.
So I'm so glad you're by my sidesweetheart.
Sharing your love, sharing yourlight, sharing your wisdom with
the world.
And together we're gonna see amovement of change where people
(48:28):
tap into their intuition, trustthemselves, and love and care
for others.
So thank you again, Terry.
Thank you Lisa.
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