EP420: Sarah Yardley - Awakening Through Iboga

In this episode of Conversations with Kris, we dive into the transformative world of Iboga with Sarah Yardley, a traditionally trained Missoko Bwiti Iboga provider. Having trained under 10th-generation Shaman Moughenda Mikalain Gabon, Sarah carries the teachings of Bwiti into the modern world with grace, humor, and love.

We explore self-discovery, healing, and the preciousness of life, as Sarah shares her gentle yet direct approach to helping people find the truth of who they are. Her favorite Bwiti teaching says it all:
“Love life, and life will love you back.”

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Episode Transcript

(00:11):
I am positively Chris Pace and you are actively listening to
conversations with Chris. What's up Sarah?
How are you? Hey.
Chris, I'm good. Thank you.
How are you? I'm doing amazing.
Welcome to the show. I am so glad to have you.
I know it took me like 6 months to get you on here, but in that
six months I also had to learn alot of stuff to be able to even
have a conversation with you on here.

(00:33):
So I think that was important, but I'm really grateful that
you're here today and where are you and what's going on now?
Are you up there in the Great White North?
Yeah, I'm up in Alberta right now enjoying enjoying summer.
Yeah, so. I think I told you yesterday
that I just learned that Albertais actually like a whole
Providence. It's 25 hour drive time.

(00:54):
And so here I am telling people,you know, I'm going to Alberta
and they're like, well, where? And I'm like Alberta.
I thought it was the city. No, yeah, I'm in.
I'm in the countryside in central Alberta, between Calgary
and Edmonton in the foothills. Nice.
I've heard of both those. I think they have hockey teams,
right? The touch.
I don't spend a lot of time in cold places.

(01:15):
I'm more of a tropical people. So tell me you're you're in.
Florida. Right, Yeah, yeah, Florida.
I'm yeah and I'm like Tampa likethat.
I'm down in the hot S part, you know, it's like tropical.
I try to stay as close to the equator as possible. 54
countries I've been to, only like 2 of them were in cold

(01:38):
places. And those were specifically to
go to the southernmost point of the Earth.
And I totally did a three, a three month sabbatical on an
island full of people who speak Spanish and I don't speak
Spanish. No electricity, no power, no
Internet, no nothing. It was awesome.
It was such a good experience. And I'm the opposite.
I like, I love the seasons. I've lived near the equator
before and I didn't like it too much of the same.

(02:01):
Where did you live near the equator?
Hawaii. Oh, yeah, that is pretty close.
That's a good one. Which island?
Tell me about you. Tell me where you come from.
Tell me how you got here. Tell me who created you.
You know all the things. So the reason that you and I are
talking or we connected is because I'm a traditionally
trained Mazzoko Boiti, a Boga provider and I serve a Boga

(02:24):
medicine. And that's, that's originally
why you reached out to me, if you remember.
It certainly was what I was looking for, for my brother,
which, you know, was the last text I ever sent him before he
died, was that I had found something that cures addiction
85% of the time on the first use.
And that's how much I spent up until the day that he died

(02:46):
looking for a way to save him. And so when I found Iboga, I
threw Ibogaine is what it is. Yeah.
The I got in touch with some other people who happened to
have gone down to Mexico and done their ibogaine experience
and had these amazing experiences.
And so I wanted to talk to you because I wanted to save my

(03:08):
brother, which I was obviously, but you know, it was I found
you, which was what matters. So now we can save other people
and now that's what matters. So yeah, I did, did not.
I thought I knew everything about all the plant medicine on
Earth. Not, not entirely, Obviously
there's so much stuff we don't know, but I thought I had at

(03:28):
least heard of everything. And now there's this, this Iboga
that is been a secret. Yeah.
Yeah. And I'd like to touch on Iboga
and Ibogaine are different things.
Ibogaine is a chemical extraction of iboga, of a single

(03:49):
alkaloid within iboga and iboga root bark.
What I work with is the whole plant medicine.
It has all the alkaloids, the spirit of the medicine, the
tradition, the teachings, and the way that I serve medicine.
It's in a week long retreat and you get 2 medicine ceremonies,
which is different than the way I began to serve.
Ibogaine is typically served in a clinical setting and you get

(04:09):
one treatment over like 24 to 36hours.
And it's not necessarily served in a traditional way.
It's just different. It's just different.
It's a part, it's a part of Iboga and it does some of the
things, but it doesn't do all the things that Iboga does.
And it serves a purpose. It's here to serve a purpose,
but they they do different things.

(04:32):
People that do ibogaine and haveamazing experiences should still
pursue iboga. Oh, maybe and and I don't know.
So it's different for everybody.So tell.
Me about how you learned about it and how you found it.
For myself. In general, like I, I found.

(04:52):
It yeah, yeah, yeah. So I.
Actually, what were you doing before this?
I was an I was an intervention specialist for youth at risk,
working in a middle school with kiddos like the Behavior kids
and I, I loved that work. Same line of.
Work a very, very similar line of work.

(05:13):
And I was really doing similar things, like the way that I saw
that work, because I was just helping kids understand
themselves. These are kids that the system
deems as a problem. And to me, those kids are gold
because those are the kids that aren't going to put up with the
bullshit of the system. And when they're in the system,
they're told there's something wrong with them.
Yeah, well, you would have been in my class.

(05:34):
I. Know I would have.
Been I don't even I would have. Been your favorite student too
and she had a counselor like you.
Her name was Miss Gibbons. She was amazing.
Yeah, and and to be honest with you, I was good at that job
because I was just real. I showed up honest.
I didn't show up as a teacher trying to, you know, fit them
into a box. And the thing that public

(05:55):
education or the system is greatly missing is they're not
actually listening to these kidsand seeing them.
These kids are actually the onesthat are awake.
And these are the kids that are challenging the bullshit,
challenging the system, and nobody's listening to them.
What they're doing is they're focusing on the behavior and
then they're diagnosing them andcollecting data on them and then
trying to fit them into these programs that aren't actually
really doing anything or helpingthem.

(06:17):
And The funny thing is that my, my background, so I have a
bachelor's in health and Wellness and a master's in
teaching and a teaching certification and health and
fitness. My background actually, I was
pursuing physical education and health and fitness.
I wanted to teach health becauseI thought like, it's health,
it's health. What could be more important is

(06:39):
health and we're not like actually teaching health like.
So that's what like inspired me to get into education and I was.
Really odd reason, you know, I mean.
It's not being taken seriously. It's sort of like me and breath
work. I was like, you know, this
breathing thing we should maybe work on.
It it's breath, that's what keeps us.

(07:00):
Alive. Yes.
So I initially got into teachingto be a PE teacher because I
thought that would be so fun andincredible and I would get to
work with the kids, plus I wouldget to teach health and I was
also. Totally visualized you as a PE
teacher now in the PE gym. Where well as a coach too.

(07:20):
So I coached teachers four or five different sports.
Oh nice. And what happened is when I
started working just organicallyand inherently, these kids would
like gravitate towards me. Like I had like this posse and
it was actually the principals who came to me.
And they're like, hey, so I knowyou want to teach PE, but if we

(07:43):
created a class with all of these kids.
Relinquents. Yes.
Would you teach it? And I said, and I thought about
it. It's.
Crazy, but yes. And I was like, you know, I
really love sports and I really love physical activity.
And I coach, so I could still, you know, connect with kids in

(08:05):
that way. And I do.
I just naturally get along with these kids.
They love me and I love them. And so I said yes, on one
condition. I don't teach a curriculum.
These kids do not. These kids do not need me
standing in front of them and reading a script to them.
These kids need to be listened to.
They need to be understood. They need help in understanding

(08:27):
who they are and why they do what they do, because there's
nothing wrong with them. You can't put together a
curriculum for these kids. That's what that's.
What's causing it? It's individual.
Yeah, I'm one of them. I literally was voted like most
likely to succeed or most likelyto end up in jail or die.
Like I was like, that's what? Like it was so 5050 that which.
Is confusing. And I'm like, well, you know, at

(08:50):
least I'm all in. I'll never.
Yeah, you got the whole spectrumto work with.
I'm 100% whatever it is I'm doing.
So it's either here or well, yeah, that's.
Yeah, they said yes, they agreedto it, which was is unheard of.
Yeah, I was public education andthey're incredible.
Like my, like my bosses were absolutely incredible.

(09:12):
US, Washington State. So.
So I was working in that position and I was married and,
and, and from the outside looking in, I looked like what
what would look like on the surface, the perfect life,
right? Like very.
But my whole life I had felt this sort of deeper pull deeper,

(09:33):
calling deeper something that I couldn't quite put my finger on.
I wasn't quite sure what it was.And it would always surface,
would always come back and then like, I wouldn't know what it
was. So I'd push it away and I'd just
keep doing what I was doing day in, day out, always wondering
like, is this it? Is this it?
Like there's got to be more. I know there's more to life than
this, but like, where is it? Like what is it?

(09:54):
Where is it? So I would, you know, I would
snuff that and snuff that, and that would always keep coming
back up. And in 2021, I had a dream.
It was a very, very clear, profound dream.
That was a very, very clear message to me that I was not

(10:15):
living the life that I wanted tolive, which was keeping me from
feeling the depths of love, of substance, of what this life
really was and that I needed to wake up.
And I woke up from that dream changed.
And when I woke up from that dream, the contrast of what I

(10:37):
felt in that dream compared to the contrast in which I felt in
my life at that point woke me upto the reality of like what I
was doing to myself. And I, I started crying like
instantly, I just started crying, which is not like I'm
not a big crier like for, but itwas just so beautiful.
No, actually, until we've talkedprobably 25 times and I don't

(11:00):
think I could have ever even envisioned you crying.
No, I will cry, Yeah. I'm glad to know you do, but I
just, yeah. The things that make me cry are
being moved by something like that.
Like I, I will tell you. Yeah.
Ashton What's funny is when I worked at the middle school, we

(11:22):
would have a veteran's day assembly and I would bring a
fucking box of Kleenex every single time.
And I would sit there and fucking ball and cry through the
whole thing. Water Works.
Yeah. Those are the things that make
me cry. I'm not a cry.
Like pain does not make me cry. Sadness does not make me cry.

(11:43):
I know. It's touching those.
Are not the things that make me cry.
Passion, empathy, that I when these little kids take food up
to homeless people on the streets on these reels, I'm
like. Beautiful.
It's absolutely what we are, thepurest form of identity, the
simplest. It's not damage or tainage.
It's just perfect. And that to me, I think hits the

(12:04):
soul in the spot that I can't help her cry.
But I embraced my tears. I love them.
I feel. Yeah, have to, you know, we have
to go through all the emotions. Yeah, No pity crying though.
There's no pity crying. That's pathetic.
It is pathetic. Pity crying is pathetic.
That's all we're crying is for. Exactly.
That's right. That's right.
That's not the. Proper use of crying.

(12:25):
She's the masters in teaching. I have advice so from here on
out. Crying to be done at.
One point in time, that's the only.
Problem, by the way, yeah, everything I learned in that
program is bullshit. Any in my college degree is
simply a piece of paper. So nothing that I was.
Don't you show everybody? You don't show us everybody, No.

(12:48):
Doesn't everybody ask to see you?
It means nothing. It means I was able to be a
teacher. I've never shown mine to.
Anyone but the the intellectual knowledge, the 12 page annotated
bibliographies that I had to write in that class, it really
did nothing for me. It makes me look good in the
second dimension. That's what I say and although.

(13:09):
You're a pretty good teacher. It's funny.
It's funny because like when I was married, I had two step kids
and they used to always ask me because I was constantly doing
like doing homework and writing papers and whatnot.
And they would, they would ask me, they would say, what are you
getting your masters again? I forget.
And I would be like the art of bullshitting my way through

(13:30):
papers. That's the only thing I'm
learning how to do that's. Right, you're exactly right.
I finally found a career that I could.
Go down anyways. Anyways, back to waking up from
that dream. So I woke up from that dream
changed and, and I, I, I made that decision at that point, I
was like, I'm done, I'm done doing this.

(13:51):
I'm done with the, with like this charade, right?
I was starting to look at myselfwith honesty and I was starting
to be honest with myself. And I realized that I wasn't
honoring myself and I wasn't doing what I wanted to do.
And I was going to start honoring myself.
And that was the beginning of mecoming home to myself.
And like, from this position right now, looking back at my

(14:13):
life and I imagine we are all the same and we all have our
different experiences and different lives because we're
all experiencing reality from different vantage points and
different bodies with different souls.
But a lot of what I know now, I already knew as a kid.
I really truly knew so much. And nobody knew or understood

(14:37):
what I was saying. And I've often times felt like I
was the only one awake on a stage of characters who were
stuck in their role. And I couldn't get anybody to
wake up or really hear, understand the simplicity of the
truth of what I was saying. And it was so profound.
I was an incredibly profound child.
When I go back and I look at herright, that little girl.

(15:00):
And what happened over time is Ichose.
I remember the moment that I chose to forget because I was
tired of being the only one thatsaw and, and, and then what that
dream did was help me remember again.
And looking back at that, the series of that, the only way

(15:26):
that we know how to remember is for us to forget.
So this is how we give ourselvesgrace.
So this is how we we see that it's all perfect.
It's the forgetting of the truth, which never goes
anywhere. The truth is inherent in all of
us. The truth is inherent in all of
us. And you never went anywhere.
You never go anywhere. We are nature, we are creation.
We are, you know, we are from creation.

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We are created perfectly. It's the mind and the ego.
They get off track and allow us to forget because we don't
realize that we're choosing because nobody understands
themselves, because we're not taught to understand themselves.
Going back to education and working in education, we're
teaching, we're teaching kids tobecome something that they're
not in order to find their purpose.
And it's incredibly confusing and there's nobody to blame

(16:11):
though, because the people that the people that would have been
teaching us, they don't know because they weren't taught
right? Like, so there's, there's nobody
to blame. It's this confusion that gets
passed down generationally. But at some point we have an
obligation and responsibility toourselves and to our souls to
wake up. Some of us do that.
And the when we do that, what happens is we inspire other

(16:34):
people to do that as well. So did you wake up?
From the dream or did you wake up from doing Iboga?
When did you find Iboga in your?Yes, yes, you seek out so
shortly after this what what happened is I had my blinders on
before and I took my blinders off.
Right. And I was like, something's

(16:55):
calling me. I'm supposed to find something.
I'm supposed to do something, which I've when I was a kid, I
had this realization too. I'm here to do something.
And so that came back. That came back and it came back
very strong. And I started to pay attention
and I started to at least be willing to step outside of what
I thought I knew. And I got on social media for

(17:21):
the first time forever. Like, I was never on social
media before. Not really a huge fan of it, but
I was like, I need to like expand out there and like, just
look. And so I was following the bread
crumbs, following the bread crumbs, following the bread
crumbs. And so my dream was in February
of 2021 and I was on vacation inthe Caribbean in July of 2021,

(17:43):
just a few months later. And I opened up Instagram and I
scrolled through and I saw a post from one of my friends who
I've, who I've known for at thispoint 18 years.
And he posted that he was, he wrote the words I'm traveling to
Africa to study Iboga. And the second I saw that word,

(18:05):
never seen it before, never heard it before.
I have no freaking clue what it is.
I was like, that's it. I just knew.
I knew I was like, that's it, that's it.
What is this? What is this?
And, and if you know anything about me, Chris, I'm not a plant
medicine person. I can't even smoke pot, right?
Like I can't even smoke pot. So the back daddy of all of

(18:27):
them. Kim, what this is, Yeah, pot
trips me. I wasn't like.
It's so funny though, because just.
Like I know puts me on another planet.
Like I could do this crack cocaine level stuff but I can't
handle this cigarette. So I know, I know.
So I reached out to him and his name is Spencer, by the way.

(18:48):
He has a Bogger rebirth down in the States.
I've talked to you about him before.
He's married to CNN. They're both in Boca providers.
And at this time he was on an Iboga provider.
Yeah, this is a fresh new littlepost that he put up there.
And I like I said as soon as I saw it.
So I reached out to him and I said, dude, like, what is this?
I need this. And he responds and tells me.
And I was like, uh, Nope, never.No, maybe not.

(19:13):
Maybe not. My bag got that one wrong.
I. Was like, dude, I'll need to go
on some freaking psychedelic trip.
No, I need to be here in reality.
I need to know truth. I need to know who I am.
I need like, and I explained allthese things.
He goes, stop. He goes, Sarah, that's exactly
what this is. And I was like, oh fuck, Oh my

(19:34):
God, that was. And so I said OK.
And he, I sent him money and he went to Africa and he said,
Sarah, I'm going to Africa, I'm coming back and you're going to
be my first client. And I said OK.
And once I committed to that, myGod, everything started
changing. I just started sloughing off all

(19:56):
of the bullshit. I started just really honor
myself and really. Be honest, really be honest.
I was able to be honest in my relationship.
I knew that I didn't want to be married anymore and I was
actually be able to be honest and say that and start that
process. And, and it was January of 2022

(20:20):
when Spencer came back from Africa.
And I will tell you when I firstsigned up for that retreat, So
this was months later, right? Because I had to wait for him to
go to Africa train and everything and then come back.
So I had all these months to like sweat.
My hands and feet were like dripping with sweat for like
months. Well, that's like, wasn't.

(20:41):
That and. Time.
So you had a lot more time to doresearch than like really
stressed. Oh yeah, you sat him home and
just made it give him a mess forthe That's a real long time to
wait. But I also started doing the
work ahead of time too. What I soon realized is that I
did not know what I was going todo, but I knew that I was
supposed to do it and what's thepoint of worrying about it?

(21:02):
So I have the wherewithal to understand that and I started to
let that go because iboga is notwhat you think it is if you have
not done a BOGA. If you have not done a BOGA, you
do not know what it is. Cannot get on the Internet and
read about it. You cannot.
You know. Yeah.
If you be. Speaking to it.
What is Sarah all about? I would say I Boga is not what

(21:23):
you think it is. Yeah, it is.
Not your tagline. Nothing is what you think it is,
by the way. No, absolutely.
That's the whole point. I read something that says, you
know, all the particles that make us up have always existed
and always will, so nothing everis.
And I was like, holy cow, that'sfor real.
Like we're just made-up of the same recycled materials over and

(21:44):
over again. I was like, interesting.
I've always gotten it from a spiritual perspective, but not
from an actual, like, physical perspective where it's like,
yeah, every little piece of us. Plus, it's all imaginary.
Oh perfect, it's all here for us.
So then you did the. So Spencer gets back and I go
and I do the retreat. Valentine's Day, by the way, How

(22:06):
perfect is that? That's my anniversary with the
bogus Valentine's Day anniversary with myself.
That's right. You fell in love.
And I, I showed up to that retreat just fucking ready,
open, ready. No stress, no worry.
Let's do this. Like, like it's this knowing.

(22:28):
I just knew, you know? I just knew and I, I've never
actually told this story before,I will tell you, but I have this
little joke with the medicine that that it all started with a
cough. It all started with a cough.
Yeah, so I'll tell you right now, the second I met this

(22:49):
medicine, I fucking knew. Like it was like re like kindred
spirits coming home to yourself,something I've always known.
It's been with me my whole life,my whole existence.
What it was just like you can't even put it in the words and we
were both seller. It was like fireworks sparks
love at first sight, like it wasincredible.
But it all started with a cough and fire talk lasted a long time

(23:12):
because I took a lot of medicine.
And finally Spencer lay like walked me over and had me lay
down. Fire talk, Fire talk is we need
an open ceremony, the provider open ceremony.
And we start with the teachings and tradition of the Buiti,
which is just the truth. So we're speaking the truth,
we're helping people understand the work, the medicine, the

(23:36):
truth, and it starts to open them up.
It's just. Talk.
Yes, and you serve medicine within fire talk.
Everybody has a different tolerance, so everybody lays
down at different times when they're ready.
But the other guy that I was there with had already laid down
and I how? Is the oxygen done?
It's different for everybody. Yeah.

(23:57):
So the, the Gboga is completely different than the Western
mentality of like Western medicine where you die, you
know, dose people based on height and weight and whatnot.
No, no, no, there's none, none, none of that.
It is very different. One person might take a teeny
tiny bit of medicine and anotherperson might take like a lot of
medicine. It doesn't matter.
And the provider is a provider. You are you're specifically

(24:18):
trained to know and watch and pay attention in reality with
your senses. Plus you're connected to the
medicine and you know, you just know when somebody is there.
They will show you, you will know when somebody and, and the
point is to get people to the perfect place in order to do the
work. It is not to blast people and
load people up and just like geteverybody loaded.
And it's not to just get them a little bit of medicine and oh,

(24:41):
you're fine, right? No, there is a sweet spot that
you get people to so that they have the perfect amount of
medicine. So they're not distracted so
high that they're distracted, but they're not, you know, they
have enough medicine to where they're not still trying to
control it with their minds. But there's a sweet spot and
yes, you, you're trained and, and, and I learned something in
every retreat, right? I'm always learning and paying

(25:01):
attention. So a good provider will have
that dosing dialed in for sure because we listen.
OD on iboga. Oh, you'd have to take a lot of
medicine to those types of. Suppliers like.
Yeah, yeah. As far as physically OD ING,
yeah, I mean, somebody's mind can go, yeah, right.

(25:21):
Somebody's mind can go on just alittle teeny tiny bit of
medicine, right? That's true, yeah.
I mean so that could. Be it doesn't matter that's this
medicine is not like. You a lot of health checks right
before. Yes, yes, screening and
everything. We'll get to that.
Yeah, please tell the rest of your story because you never
told us. No, no.
Yeah, it all started with a cough it.

(25:43):
All started with a cough. And it's this little joke.
On the on the I know. It is.
So what happened is I laid down and there's very specific music
that goes with this medicine andwhich came from the medicine.
The music taught the booty how to play these instruments, how
to build these instruments and how to play these notes that
speak to the medicine, correspond with the medicine as

(26:03):
it moves through your body and directs it.
There are truth codes, I call them truth codes and they break
down your bullshit. So but, and if you hold on to
your bullshit, then you're probably not going to like the
music if you don't want to let go.
And if you let go of it, the music is incredible.
So. So I lay down and the music.

(26:25):
You know what frequency it's at.No, have you ever?
So I I lay down and the music's playing and I could hear it and
and this is live music from the temple in the Ghabanese jungle
of the booty tribe, right? And I'm, I'm just like, this is
amazing, like bogan. I've already had like this big
celebration. I'm just like, this is bogan

(26:47):
amazing. And then all of the sudden in
the music, I hear a a cough and then he keep playing.
It's like just like a fucking cough dude.
Like a straight up cough straight into the mic.
And I was like, was that a cough?
And then I was like, and I like start laughing and I was like, I

(27:08):
just fucking instantly fell in love with them.
I'm like, they fucking cough into song and they keep it
because they don't care. It's real.
It happened and it's just a fucking cough.
It's just a fucking cough. I'm like, do you know what would
happen in the West if somebody coughed in the middle of
recording a song? Everyone would be like, stop the

(27:29):
production, end of the fucking world.
How dare you cough into the mic.And it would be the most
ridiculous thing. And I just started fucking dying
laughing because I saw how ridiculous we are over here and
how fucking incredibly free it is to just fucking cough into
the mic when you're recording a song and not give a fuck.

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And. And and you share it with the
whole world. Wasn't this during COVID period?
Oh fuck, right. Oh, here's another fucking
stigma that we're going to put on top.
Cough during COVID. Grow all the bullshit in there.
Yes, yes, yeah. Damn.
So, so I'm like a bogey and I are like fucking just having a
grand old time and it comes in and it's like, look at how

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incredible your mind is. It's like, look at how you
think. It's like he goes, you just went
into that moment that it was just a cough.
But look at this profound lessonyou got just from a cough.
It's like you did that. Look at yourself, see yourself,
look at your mind, how incredible your mind works.
All of these lessons are here for us.
And I'm just like, like it was, it was teaching me about myself,

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about my mind, about how my mindworks.
And it had a freaking blast cleaning my mind out because my
mind is very funny. Like I have a good sense of
humor and I've always said my life's a common.
It's like 1 big long Seinfeld episode.
That's always how I've sort of perceived life is just lightly.
And and it was it preceded Ibogaand I proceeded to clean out my

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mind. And as it was cleaning out my
mind, it was like, look, remember when you did this?
It reminded me of like when you're a kid and you're cleaning
your room and then you get distracted by like looking at
photos instead of cleaning your room.
Like that's pretty much what happened.
Like we just got, we just had fun with looking at all my funny
thoughts and jokes and things that I've said that weren't

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necessarily intentional. It was just funny.
Like this just happened. And it was like, remember when
you said this, look at this and we and I was just die laughing.
And then it would, and then it would say, well, look how this
person saw. And it would put me in the
perspective of the other person and I would understand and see
how they saw the joke. I'm telling you, I thought that
if a person could die laughing, I might do it that night.

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Like it taught me the depths of humor and how incredibly
freaking hilarious things are. But anyways, I don't want to get
into too much of what I saw or like from my experience because
I will say this, every single person has a completely
different experience on this medicine because every single
life is different and is about you and your life.
So this medicine meets you whereyou're at and shows you the

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reality of what you're doing to yourself, what you've done to
yourself, and helps you understand that so you can undo
it. And because everybody shows up
with a different life, they're going to have a different
experience in this medicine because it is about your life.
So my experience with this medicine is going to be unlike
anybody else's experience with this medicine.
That's very important to touch on when we talk about this
because I do see people going out there talking about, oh, it

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showed me this, It showed me that, it showed me this.
It will heal everybody. And these people don't really
truly understand what this is, because that's not how it works.
What it showed you is not going to be what it showed somebody
else. That's your lesson that is
exclusive to you. Exactly.
They're your stories. Yes, so like Fast forward the
the retreat ends and within thattree retreat, actually, I was

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like, well, fuck, this is what I'm here to do.
And I didn't go beyond that. I didn't know what that looked
like. I didn't know what I was going
to do. I didn't know what the next step
was. I didn't know anything.
I just knew. And I just was there paying
attention and and and watching and I went home and I, you know,

(31:20):
did my best to relay what happened to my family.
My family's incredible. Like, they were just loved it.
And I was talking to my mom and my dad and my sisters, and at
one point my mom looks at me andshe said, Sarah, you're going to
do this, aren't you? I was like.
Was you. She knew you.
She was like. Of course you are.

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Yeah, she's not your life. You've always had that look and
now all of a sudden you found what you're looking for.
Yep, Yep. She knew you were going with it.
Yep. She saw it.
She was like she found it. There's no trouble.
I could see. I could see the whole situation.
I could see you as a little girl.
And then I could see your mothersaying to you, you're really
going to do this, huh? You're going to go over there.

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You are. And I'm so incredibly fortunate
to have the parents that I have.My parents are incredible,
incredible. They have.
The fact that you said they wereeven embracing when you came
back, The experience, it says leaps about them, you know?
I mean my parents accept everything that I do, even like
like. They're.
So supportive. I've had, I have the most

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supportive, supportive parents. And and, you know, there's
looking back, there's not even asecond in my life that I ever
questioned or doubted that my parents are proud of me, even
when I was royally fucking up, you know?
Like. They always held me accountable,
but there I cannot think of a single moment my parents were

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ever critical of me. That's amazing.
That's actually the exact opposite of my life.
I've never once felt like they were ever proud of me and
they've only ever been critical of me, but we ended up in
similar places. Yep.
That's that's what you mean likethe plants?
We could be flexes in different ways.
Yeah, but I mean, my, my storiesaren't going to work on the

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plant with you because you don'tyou weren't there and that's not
your story. But totally different
backgrounds. And to hear that somebody from a
supportive, loving, encouraging,proud family still sought out
this, you know, it just shows that no matter where you are,
when you feel called, you will go.
You will the truth. It's the.

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Truth, all this does is help undo confusion.
There's nothing wrong with any of us.
There's nothing wrong with anybody.
We just get confused and we forget the truth.
We forget who we are. Well, let me, I'll explain going
to Africa and then we'll come back to that.
But just so that there's this issomewhat linear.
But and. Not bouncing off the particles

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of Chris's mind. Yeah, don't let me.
I told you I can't leave this one.
This one's got to be. So we'll be in like 3 different
dimensions from that by this point and nobody will be
listening because I have no ideawhat we're talking about.
So, so I went, I went back home and I, and I explained this to
my family and then, and I was inthe process of finalizing my

(34:14):
divorce, but I had this career, right?
I had this career and I had all of these kids.
I had this like tons of kids that I was supporting.
And that was, I would say the hardest thing for me to leave,
the hardest thing for me to do was go back there and be honest.
And I, the first thing I did wasgo to my boss and I went into

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her and I could always be so candid with her.
She's incredible. I'm I'm very honest.
If I can't be candid, then we'renot talking this basically how
we won't get. Along can.
I, I go in there and I was like,hey, I sat down and I said I
need to go to Africa and this isthe middle of the school year.

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I. Love it, I love it.
And she's like. People say that all the time.
I'm sure. OK.
And they knew what I had gone and done.
They like I was totally transparent with everybody about
everything. They knew that I'd gone and done
Aboga and whatnot. And I came back and I told her I
need to go to Africa. And she said OK.
And they and and and that's whatI did.
I left the middle of the school year.

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Like this is how much I knew. Like, I know without a doubt
and, and I didn't, and I will tell you, Chris, that I did not
research it. I did not read about it.
I did not even know if I was like, I didn't even know if I
was going to be sleeping on the jungle floor.
I knew absolutely nothing about where I was going.
I just knew I needed to get there.
I didn't know who was going to pick me up.

(35:41):
I didn't know like I just went and the way I describe.
That to a village in Africa. To to the fucking Japanese
jungle to live with the subscribe and yeah by myself
alone with 0 fear and 0 doubt I'll just win.
Yeah, amazing. And and of course my like and

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and and here's here's the thing Chris.
My parents don't worry about me.They just know better.
Like my parents are not worried worse than like call us when you
get their call. There's like.
Go right they trust me they don't person at all.
I don't get, no, I don't worry about you either, like.
I mean. I love you, but I don't worry
about you. You're good.
So I I show up in Africa and I go into the jungle and I spent

(36:27):
my first trip there. I spent two months and for
level. Every day.
No, you don't take this medicineevery day.
You always have a process, at least a processing day in
between. But I, I ate the medicine as
much as I could every opportunity that I could because

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I absolutely love it. And there was always something
more that like, I just like loved it so much because when
you go to train for this medicine, the first thing you
need to do is heal. That's it.
That is that is your focus. And I find that that is what
most people get distracted from.That is what most people
overlook. That is what most people miss is

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the healing, because you cannot truly do this work if you are
not healed because you do not know your way out.
How can you guide people if you don't know your way out?
And So what happens is people show up in Africa and they try
to become a provider before theyare healed.
And they are operating within the same mentality in which
screwed them up in the 1st placeis trying to become something in
order to be healed. And that is what they're trying
to do. Most people do not get this.

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I will tell you that right now, most.
People 80%. Of not, I don't care.
I've, I, I know you don't. I was just, yeah, I followed
you. But yeah, let's be honest, it's
that's a tough one for people toprocess with their perspective.
OK, let me. Let me, let me.
Yes, you're right, because in the West here we're trying to

(37:49):
heal ourselves through healing other people.
And that is the mentality. You have to lose that mentality.
You have to lose the you have tolose everything that you think
you know so that you can actually step into what true
knowing is. You have to let that go.
You cannot do that, this work properly if you are not
operating out of knowing, because I will tell you in a

(38:11):
retreat, I do not go into any moment thinking I know I do not
like, I do not think I'm going to predict this is going, oh, I
bet this is going to happen. There is none of that.
You have to pay attention in that moment and just know.
And you have to listen to yourself.
You have to listen to the medicine and you have to know
that no matter what happens in that moment, as it comes up, you

(38:32):
will know what to do. This is confidence, and this
only comes from the doingness ofit, and you only know healing if
you do it. Sure, sure.
So I will tell you, we get lost,right?
I was lost. I forgot I was lost for a while.
We get lost. The healing.
Healing is finding your way out of being lost, remembering and

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coming back home to yourself. That is all healing.
It is. It's not fixing anything.
There's something wrong with you.
It is just undoing the confusion.
That is what the truth does, which is humility.
So this is where I think most people struggle is because they
are operating through ego and they don't want to be humbled.
They want to save face. So they become master
manipulators and triers instead of actually having the humility

(39:17):
to be honest and humbled by the truth and by this work and by
what it is and and to maintain that true honesty and integrity.
This plant still has healing powers at curing addiction at a
rate of 85% success 1 use. And it's been hidden from the
world forever? Or has it been stifled from the

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world forever? So the Boiti, the indigenous
people of Gabon, inadvertently discovered this medicine
thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago.
They accidentally ate it. Women were the first people to
eat this medicine. And.

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What happened and and and actually, let me just explain.
This They're healers. Fuller spiritual, right?
Very spiritual. So the, the indigenous people of
Gabon, the Babongo tribe, they, they, they got confused too.

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They're just like us. We are just like them, no
different. They got confused too.
And then they accidentally foundthe medicine and the medicine
spoke to them. Hey.
They've had thousands of years of clarity before it was found
for us. So what happened is the medicine
taught them how to remember who they are.
They taught them the medicine taught them the truth and and

(40:49):
what life is. They taught them these
teachings, I taught them, I taught them everything,
everything about this tradition.That is why it is so important
to work with this medicine within the integrity of the
tradition, because it all came from the medicine.
You see, This is why Abigail is very different than Iboga.
Yeah, we'll have a whole other podcast on that.

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That's kind of. I'm going to need the
explanation. This medicine taught them
everything they know about this everything.
Everything that is done is done with intention, with knowing
what you're doing and knowing what it is and knowing how it
works and coincides with the medicine.
So now what happened with this is they, they, it also told them

(41:33):
to keep it sacred. This is sacred.
Hold it, keep it, live it, know it.
So they're living these teachings, they're confirming
the truth in reality, they're living with integrity, they're
living the truth. And this is generational.
Just like confusion is passed down over here.
They passed down the truth and they were the they were the
keepers of the truth. And it was sacred.
And it said keep it. The world is not ready.

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The world is not ready. So it was kept exclusively to
West Central Africa in these tribes.
They're living the teachings. They know it.
They're they're working with it thousands and thousands and
thousands of years until one daythe medicine says OK, Yeah.
You can go. The world is ready.
So like before Christ, these guys had this medicine if you go

(42:18):
by the ADBC system. Yeah, I don't know what the
date, I don't know what the. Like thousands of years is yes,
we put it prior to That's prettycrazy to me.
That's a mind meld in and of itself that an.
This medicine a. Particular people.
Intertwined with so much on thisplanet.

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Well, it sounds like to me the most powerful and complicated
medicine I've ever heard of, because most of them you can
pretty much describe in a matterof minutes.
I've talked to you 20 something times.
I don't still understand it entirely because you can't until
you go through it, I guess. Right?
That's the experience. So what are these?
It's because it's because until you experience it, you cannot

(42:59):
know. You cannot understand it.
And now that you have, you've gotten back in.
You now put it into play. Obviously it became your entire
life, So what is it like now to be on this side and be opening
up other people? Obviously not in Africa, but in
the same methodology, right? Everything, yes, so, so yes, I

(43:20):
do not train people. You cannot, I do not train
people. That's not my job with this
medicine. The only way to get proper
training is to go to Africa and do what I did.
And I went back, you know, I've been back.
I went back from a level 2 training as well.
And I do go back. I get, you know, supplies and,
and learn more. There's there's no end to the

(43:41):
things you can learn. You know, as much as I know and
as long as I've been working with this medicine and I and I'm
always learning and I'm always, you know, listening and paying
attention. But you got.
Like family members there too. And don't you?
I mean, I would imagine living with those people for I mean, I
know everywhere, every country I've ever gone to, I have people
there now that are my family. So like I have to go see them.

(44:04):
Like it's not, I can't not go see you like I need to.
You're part of myself, you know,So there's got to be a special
space there. There is and, but my work is
here. Yeah.
You know, my work is here and that's what I've come to find is
that is what is so profound about.
So the the way this medicine wasintroduced, Maganda is this

(44:26):
shaman that I trained under 2-3 decades ago, the medicine
started to show them image of the Statue of Liberty.
He didn't speak English. He didn't, you know, he didn't
heal like $300 in his pocket. No movies.
And he just came here with the Boga and he he travelled around
the States and he travelled around Canada and he performed

(44:47):
healing ceremonies because the Boga told him the world is
ready. People there, you know, start
that it that it was the beginning of this.
What year was that? I don't know the exact year.
It was like 20-30 years ago. Two or three decades ago, yeah,
and and some. And then he slowly started to
invite people to the village to heal and potentially train to do

(45:11):
this work. And what I've come to find is
the reason that is so incrediblybrilliant if if people are
willing to go there, actually dothe work, heal, understand it,
work with honor and honor and integrity.
I love how all of your things start with.
You can totally go do this if and like in your a different

(45:35):
dictionary. If you drop a bullshit,
basically. It's a long ass word for you.
Yeah. Like if you do, you can go have
anything you want. It's so funny.
I mean. It is a calling.
It is a calling so. So you learn.
I know I learned a lot from teaching.
And so like when I went through my teacher training, I didn't

(45:57):
learn much because I wasn't ableto understand much.
You can only understand on a level of which you're capable of
understanding, right? So you need experiences, you
need situations to, you know, tobe able to understand on a
different level. As someone who's now not
teaching but administering, what's the right word leading?

(46:17):
How do you say it? What's the What's the right
terminology for what you do? I help people remember who they
are and how to listen to themselves.
I'm not actually teaching anybody anything because you
cannot learn something that you already know.
The truth remember is inherent in everybody.
So I'm helping people remember who they are with the truth,

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which really that remembering comes when you let go of the
things that are blocking you andkeeping you from remembering,
which are lies. So lies will keep you from
remembering the truth. But this is where the humility
comes, is you have to be willingto let go of the lies.
You have to be willing to say I've been lying to myself.
That's the humility. You have to be honest.

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And this is what I mean when I say you have to drop that
mentality. The western mentality is very
ego driven. And most people, fuck man,
they're afraid of humility. To me, humility feels like going
home. It feels like peace.
I love the feeling of humility. It's such a good feeling.
It's like, oh the. First time I've ever relaxed
ever in my life was when I started being honest with

(47:24):
everyone and myself. Yep, there you go.
You put down a ton of bricks. Why do you think it is that that
so few people choose to ever? I mean, I know it sucked.
I spent a large portion of my life apologizing and, you know,
trying to fix shit that I did because I needed to live in my
truth. I needed to make myself whole.
I know now that I didn't, but I didn't know that then.

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I just was going about it the best way I knew how.
And that was, hey, I screwed up.Let me go make, make, make, make
things right. You know, most of the time the
people didn't even know what I was talking about.
I was like, man, I got to say, Ijust am really sorry about.
And they're like, what are you talking about?
I don't even know what you talking about.
I'm like, OK, Yep. What did that tell you right
there? What did that tell you?

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Did not have the same effect on them that it had on me.
That you're full of shit and you're lying to yourself and
you've been beating yourself up and you've been guilt tricking
yourself for no. Fucking reason.
Thinking about it, they don't even know they're not even.
That's like why? Why are you going to be angry at
somebody when they don't even know you're angry and you're
just eating yourself up for no reason?
Yep, exactly. Do what we do to ourselves.
That's the humility. Like Oh my God.

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And then you look at all the time that you spent of your life
when you could have been enjoying it.
See, this is a big cosmic joke we play on ourselves.
That is the absolute humility. OK, I will tell you why people
struggle with it because they donot understand who they are.
They are confused. We are not taught how all of
this works. And it starts in the mind.
And in the mind also contains anego, which is an incredible

(48:48):
thing. It is a tool.
Your mind and your ego are tools.
They are not you. They are tools for you to use.
And nobody teaches us this. And what happens is we start to
think and believe and perceive ourselves through our minds and
we identify with the mind. And the ego is a mechanism for
survival. That is what it is designed to

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do. And because it's a mechanism for
survival, it is to be used in moments of necessity.
Because if you ever have to fight for your life, you better
hope that you have a well trained ego because that that
ego will keep you on this planet.
Your soul might show you the path, but the ego is what pulls
the trigger. So this is a tool that is to be

(49:33):
used in moments of necessity. That is what the ego is.
So when people don't understand that, they get confused.
See, the ego's job is for survival, coping, trying,
performing, you know, always scanning, always looking,
always, always going, always going.
So because at some point in our life we didn't get something we

(49:53):
needed, whatever, which then theego comes in and it's like, I
got this, I'm taking over because that's what everybody
else is doing too, right? Everybody's operating at an ego.
So that ego comes in and it takes over and we start to
perform in order to try to get what we need, which we think is
an external thing. So the ego and we, and this is
when we start to forget who we are.

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This is when we start to leave the soul, that when we're not
actually leaving the soul, we'rejust not listening to ourselves.
That's what happens. We stop listening to ourselves
and we start listening to our mind and our ego and the
programming, the conditioning and the bullshit and the lies
and the beliefs and the narratives and the da da, da, da
da, all of it. Which is not real in reality.
It's part of the illusion worlds, the artificial construct

(50:36):
of the world, which exists only in the mind through beliefs and
agreements. So we lose our touch with
reality and we lose our touch with ourselves.
So we're now operating out of programming and out of ego, out
of a mechanism that is used for survival, trying to get what we
need externally. Maybe if I become this, I'll be

(50:58):
happy. Maybe if I try this, we'll be
happy. We see this with gender identity
right now, right? We see this with people who
think that once they get the bighouse, the big car, the big
everything, that they're going to be happy.
I will be happy when this maybe this will make me happy, maybe
this and this is the try. This is what the ego does.
It's the identity which is an image which is not you.

(51:19):
It's an image in your mind. We certainly.
Need it for some things, right? Like, we definitely want
surgeons whiz Matt Buckley when he's landing a jet on a boat.
I want him to have some serious ego because that's a time when
you really would need it. And honestly?
Mechanism for survival. I can't imagine what that's

(51:40):
like. That's right.
This is called being honest. This is called being honest with
yourself. This is called knowing.
Knowing yourself. See, the booty tradition is the
study of life, and you are life itself.
And to be booty means to be you.It doesn't look like anything.

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That's where people get confused.
They think they're trying to be booty or they're trying to look
like this. They're trying to perform.
They're trying to, they think that if they do these things,
they're booty. No, being booty is being you.
So you study you and you understand.
You understand how this works sothat you can be honest, so that
when you're in that moment, you can be honest.
This is a moment for this. This is what I do.
You're responding to that momentwith authenticity.

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Do you see what I'm saying? That is how this work is done
too, so. As this being, is this all part
of the program that they come tosee you for this?
Is all stuff. This is fire talk.
And this is this is fire talk. OK, So this is under the
medicine and it's part of the. Well, when they're laying, when
they're laying in ceremony, I'm not talking in their ear.

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If this is during fire talk, this is when I'm serving
medicine, This is when people call it kitchen talk.
To people that come to marriage,I'm like, they're like someone
will come out of the room. They're like, oh, is this
kitchen talk? Like I'll be cooking food and
someone will ask. Me a question like put.
Down the spatula and turn aroundand it'll just come out of me,
right? It's just fire.
Talk just happens. When it happens, it's not pre
orchestrated, it's not scripted,it's not planned.
It's just happening in that moment.

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That is truly how. This working around a fire?
Yes. Is there a fire it all?
Started around the fire. It's not just the saying.
It's not like AI mean, it's likeI'm thinking.
It's quite literally a fire talk.
Yes, sitting around a fire talking, but so.
It's in Canada, not so much in here.
So we forget who we are. We start operating out of ego.

(53:27):
But the soul never goes anywhere.
And the soul is always beckoning, always calling.
You know, it's always trying to remind us to remember.
Some of us listen and some of usdon't.
Some of us, some people on this planet, they drag die trying.
That's it. That's how their life starts.
They die trying. You got.
To have balance some. People wake up and they

(53:47):
remember. And so during the process with
you, as they're going through this and remembering, how many
people don't remember but use the medicine, does anyone ever
walk away unchanged or unaffected?
They never walk away unchanged or unaffected, but they can walk
away and not listen because whatthis medicine will not do is
take away your free will. It does not take away your free

(54:08):
will. That's the whole point of it, to
get you to realize and understand that you have the
power and free will and choice and you can come and choose not
to listen and to argue and to deny and to debate and to all
that. I don't really accept people
like that into my retreat. Pretty much everybody, because I
can, I can sniff that out beforethey get here, but I will take

(54:28):
people who I know might be difficult if they really fucking
need it. Yeah, well, you and I delinquent
kids, right? So you.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not trying to make this harder on myself than
it is. I take people who are ready.
I do not take people who are going to like act a fool.
But no, that's a no. That's a fuck no for me.
Absolutely not. What I'm saying is I will take

(54:50):
people who who I know might giveme a little bit of trouble,
might give me some like because what this does is your bullshit
comes up right You're. Going.
To but I can tell that if they don't calm they're fucked.
Yeah. So I will make exceptions.
And it's not even, yeah, there is an element of desperation.

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But within that element of desperation, there needs to be
some sort of glimmer of you, your willingness to take
accountability and listen in there.
And if that person is able to show me that there's at least a
little bit of crack for me to get in right for you for, for
this to start to happen, that I'm willing to take you.
So, so yes, there there are people who it is completely,

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completely possible for you to be healed and then confuse
yourself again because you have free will.
It is the whole point is what this medicine shows you and how
credible, how incredible you areAnd with what happens is because
we get confused. Our mind is our most powerful
tool. And when we get confused and we
use our mind against ourselves, our most powerful tool becomes a
weapon that we use to destroy ourselves.

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And we don't because we're confused, we're not seeing it.
We don't realize it. And this medicine helps to see
like, Oh my God, look what I'm doing to myself.
But if you're not willing to have the humility to fully
accept that, and you're like, well, I just want to go see.
I just want to go touch that stove again and see if it's
still hot. Let me just confirm it.
Let me just go and keep trying doing what I was doing before.

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Well, guess what? Yeah, that stove's hot.
And most of the time, it's fucking hotter.
Yeah, always. Always, it is rare, but it does
happen. Yep.
And, and, and the, the medicine and taking the medicine is just
the beginning of this. Like you don't come here and
there's also in your heel and you're like this enlightened

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being floating through life, right?
No, you come here and you get the lessons and then you go back
to your life and you apply them.And this is the integration part
of it. You apply the lessons that you
learned to your life because listen, this is very simple.
If you make changes in your life, your life is going to
change. You cannot go back and do the

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same things get. Out of.
Here now, right now, that's justthe concept.
Go do it and experience what thedoingness of that is like and
then come talk to me that's. Right, exactly.
That doesn't sound right. If you change, things will
change. That's really how it works.
That is so you said earlier thatthis medicine is very

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complicated. It's actually incredibly simple,
and that is how simple it is. That's why it eludes us.
That's why it's so profound. That's why it's like a freaking
2 by 4 to the face, a big cosmicjoke that we play on ourselves
because we already know all of this.
You already know it. You're just not doing it.
You're not listening. That's what listening is.

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Listening is the doingness of it.
Listening is not letting it go in your little ear holes and go
oh, Yep, Yep, Yep. Uh huh.
I hear you. I hear you.
I hear you. OK, I'm just going to keep doing
what I was doing. No, listening is you're you're
listening so that you know what to do and then you do it because
that is how you know somebody listened.
They did it. If you told your kid clean your

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room, it better be clean by the time I get home.
When you get home, how do you know they listened?
The room's clean. Yeah, they did the homework.
See how simple it is? Yep, just do it.
That's a teaching. Just do it.
So without causing our entire audience to lose their mind on
what to do and how to go about it, tell us how to pursue this

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to if we are interested and can qualify because I know you have
quite the process to get in What's.
Training process What's? The methodology of getting
someone. Why?
Who would be a target person? If they feel called to this,
they hear this, what do they do?Yeah, go about the process, how
they start. They go to my website, so they

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go to my website, itsabogarevive.com, and there's
a section in there to inquire about a retreat.
And what you'll do is you'll putyour name and number and e-mail
address and just give me a shortdescription of why you're
reaching out. And I get notification of that.
And then I reach out to people and set up, set up a call.
I always talk to people. What I say is if you're not
willing to get on the phone withme, you're not going to be

(59:07):
willing to walk through my door.So I don't and I don't try, you
know, I'm not like trying to getpeople.
They just come to me. And if it's, and if you don't
like what I have to say, then you're shouldn't come.
Like, that's it. Like I don't care.
I'm just honest. And this is what I, this is what
I do and this is how I do it. This is what it is.

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It's either for you or it's not.No, I'm not here to convince
anybody or debate or like try toexplain anything.
No, it's just just honest. Like so, So what happens is they
fill out an inquiry and then we connect and, and when I speak to
them on the phone, I have a series of questions that I ask
them, yes, there's a whole medical screening process to
ensuring there's no contraindications with
medications or anything. And then I asked them, you know,

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health question, health questions.
And then, and then I just listento why, why, you know, what is
it that you're looking to get? What is it that you're looking
to change? And I just listen and.
I also explained to them I require AECG or an EKG before
coming that needs to be confirmed and signed by a doctor

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that it is an accurate reading and then blood work, a
comprehensive metabolic panel with an extended electrolyte
panel because I want to look at magnesium levels, potassium
levels, calcium levels, sodium levels, all of that.
Those are important, OK. And, and, and, and what happens
that I have an agreement waiver and, and, and all of that stuff

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for them to fill out before committing.
And you would officially commit to a retreat by sending a
deposit once you're approved. So I have to accept you into
retreat. Like you're ready, right?
A person who's who's ready to come on all levels, physically,
mentally, financially, like all,like all like logistically, like

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you have to be able to get here on all levels.
That's what ready is and and. Pay the money and show up right
And that's about it. So yeah, they they.
I know I'm not qualified yet, but I will be.
Yeah, you're getting there. You're not ready yet, but I'm

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we've already talked about this,but you are getting.
There, but I'm moving away. I know that, you know, all good
things come with Yep, but assuming that they are ready,
that's the next step. They basically just get to show
up with you and come to a beautiful place in Canada and
the country and then they get tohave their lives changed or they
remember their life again, how simple the whole process is.

(01:01:40):
Now when they leave there, you say they have to do the work,
right? So what does that entail?
Because I know like for some people like this is a really
effective addictive addiction medicine.
So like the way it was explainedto me with ibogaine, which I
don't know why that one's so much more used or popular as far
as a name. Because Western medicine has

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gotten a hold of it pharmaceutically, and that's
been promoted and put like if you search the word of boga,
ibogaine comes up. So it's, you know, there's
somewhat of a monopoly on it. Yeah, that's so funny you say
that because I I just did it andit literally switched every
begin. So.
You go back though, I mean, for me it's like, OK, so you would

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want to live a yoga lifestyle basically after that because the
way that I live my life in yoga is exactly the way that you're
talking about you. I mean, we very similar lives
and it comes from totally different worlds but what would
somebody do that doesn't have a yoga lifestyle or practice Yeah,
yeah. To stay in the.
You know what I mean? Like when you go back to the
9:00 to 5:00 and the traffic andthe how do they stay there?

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I mean, are they convicted or isit?
Yeah. So what you described, your yoga
lifestyle is 1 possible aspect of how someone could live their
lives in an infinite amount of possibilities here on this
planet. So the point is to be honest.
The point is to be real. The point is to be authentic, to

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know yourself, to listen to yourself.
If so, sometimes people go back and they change.
They change what they do in reality and sometimes people go
back and they change the way they operate within their
current reality. It is up to the person.
I do not tell anybody what to do, remember, I just help them
listen to themselves so that they know what to do.

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And this is what I tell people. When it comes to reality, you
can change two different things,your perception and your
position. That's it.
You cannot change anything else in reality.
You're not manipulating reality.What you're doing is being
honest with yourself. And once you're honest and you
have the perception of truth where you're willing to see,
let's say you go back to your life, you're like, I fucking
hate this job. OK, I've always known that, but

(01:03:47):
now I'm able to admit it to myself.
I don't want to do this. See, this is when your life
starts to change because before you were making yourself stay in
a job for what? Money or attention, recognition,
appreciation, trying, whatever. You're making yourself stay in a
job that you hated when now you're finally willing to be
honest with yourself and you're like, Nope, Nope, Nope.
I don't want to do this anymore.See what happens when you let go

(01:04:09):
of the nose? That's a no.
That job's a no. When you let go of the nose, now
you're pointed in the direction of the yeses because you're
honest and you know yourself andyou start to pay attention or
you might go back to your life and you'd be like, you know
what? Oh my God, I love this job.
I'm respected. I love working with kids,

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whatever it is, right? I love all of these things and I
just wasn't appreciating it before.
It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
All that matters is you need to be honest with yourself.
Yeah. It doesn't look like anything.
That's what I'm saying. This doesn't look like anything.
That's why it's hard to describe, because it is specific
to you. It's very personal to you, and
that is your work. I cannot do it for you.

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I'm a guide. So with that said, let's tell
people how they can get on this because we want to wrap it up
some point We otherwise we'll goon for two days and have the
longest podcast. I already said I think we could
probably set the world record the two of us easily.
I don't know what it is. That's good.
I'm going to look it up, but tell them how they can get a

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part of this, how they can learnmore about it, how they
obviously your website, Yeah, talk to you get there.
I also have an Instagram as well.
Do not reach out to me on Instagram or social media.
I'm not good at it. I'm rarely on there, but you can
there. There's material material on
there that you can see and it's not, it's not a good way to
communicate with me, like reach out through my website.

(01:05:37):
I also have two retreats in Washington state in November and
December coming up. So I do work with this medicine
both in the States and Canada, primarily in Alberta, but I do
go back to the states. Isn't it like a type 1 schedule?
Schedule one, yes, I don't care.So the reason is schedule 1 is
because they don't understand it.
Of course they don't understand this medicine.

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Kills people and makes them freethinkers.
That's not good for mass control.
And and and and like. I don't know, like to put it
simply, they don't understand itbecause if they understood it,
they would understand what it does and how it helps people and
it would not be illegal. It needs, it should be
protected. Yes, it should be protected
because this is not something you should be able to go to your

(01:06:20):
local smoke shop and buy and just be to yourself.
That is not what this is. However, because it is not
understood. They just, you know, schedule
one, make it illegal. They think it's a drug.
They think it's in. That is not what this is, but I
will tell you, I'm not going to sit around and wait for the
system to change in order to do this work.
The only way to help people understand it is by doing it

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right. And that's it.
I know what this is. I know what this is, and I do
not operate out of fear. I operate out of knowing and
because I know what this is you.Got to do what you got to do.
Yeah, I can help people understand it.
Yeah, I agree. So I mean, it's, but they they
need to worry about it. If they show up and they're
going to do this healing process, are they breaking the

(01:07:05):
law? Is that a concern?
It has not been a concern thus far.
If you're concerned about it, then don't come.
I think online, I mean online I read that it's no, no, Mexico,
it's not, it's not a problem. But in US it's.
Yeah, it's not a controlled substance in in Canada.
So that's that's the thing like if, if, if, if, if you're going

(01:07:26):
to come and you're going to be scared and paranoid that like
don't come, like don't don't come.
No, I. Was trying to get to.
That done, this is done in the States.
I will tell you nobody, they're not like they're going to bust
down the door. They're not.
They're not looking for it. Do you know how many freaking
drug Lords, fentanyl and like like that shit is out there.

(01:07:48):
That shit is killing people. That shit is horrific.
Go after those people. I'm not one of them.
No, leave the medicine people alone, but.
Do not put me in the same category.
As. For.
Mass population control. You cannot have a whole bunch of
people free thinking and remembering who they are.
It will not work. There's too many people to have

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that happen and that's why they don't allow these things to be
available. It's because they don't want you
to think for yourself. They want you to follow the
directions, stay in line, go through this way, sit at this
desk, eat at this chair, and that way everybody stays under
control. That's how you control mass.
People lose control would be to allow people like you to get
turned loose on society and all the sudden everyone.

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I know. I'm aware of that.
That is what I call the difference between the illusion
of power and actual power. Chris, I could literally talk
about this for 12 hours. There's because it's life.
Oh yeah, the record is life. 153hours.
We can easily beat that. We can crush that one.
Well, we can do it over segments.
That would be even better because I see.
It over segments. I have more questions than

(01:08:54):
answers now so I've got enough to beat them and we can we can
get them hooked right now and then we'll get them then we'll
give them some more next time because I think we should
discuss why I have a game is such AI know exactly why, but
also how did that happen you know but we can have that talk
next time because. I'll tell you real quick, the
human Ezo got a hold of it. Yeah, well, it's obviously

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money. Aboga.
Aboga is nature. It is perfect and it is here to
help humanity. That is it.
And what happened is human beings got a hold of it and
their ego and they thought that they can make it better or do
something in the in like they fuck with nature and they that's
what they do. And that's OK, right?
Like I'm not saying I begin shouldn't exist or it's bad or

(01:09:37):
don't do it. That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that's just what thatis.
And perhaps some people that's what they're looking for.
I don't know. That's not for me to say.
Yeah, but that is not what this is.
It's helpful though. Yeah.
I mean, it's helping people, so that's good.
So we'll do, we'll have a conversation.
You know what, maybe we can invite someone who's who's only

(01:09:59):
done ibogame but need maybe would be interested in talking
about that with somebody who's. Yeah.
Well, I I have a lot of clients who got very confused with
Ibogame because they were not guided by a traditional healer
through the medicine and they. The perfect person for us and
you know exactly who it is and he would like.

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So I'm going to tell you right now, I'm not looking to debate
with anybody. I'm not looking to convince
anybody. I'm just.
I think it would be interesting though to know the perspective
of someone who's only done one and then the perspective of
someone who has the other. You know what I mean?
Like, yes, both of you say the same thing about how what it's
done for you in different ways. Not exactly, but you know what I

(01:10:44):
mean? Like you couldn't be more as
people, but at the same time, I think it'd be a really cool kind
of. And all three of us are
completely on the good side of trying.
I'd be curious to know if he wasgiven a fire talk with teachings
and tools before he went into the medicine.
Well, that's what we'll have that whole podcast about that.
I think it would be amazing because then we can learn
because that's what people need.They need to understand what

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they're dealing with, what theirare, what you know what I mean?
Like that's the stuff that keepspeople from trying things.
That's because there's not enough good info.
And that's what we're trying to get out to them is good info,
healthy info. Here's the truth, as you said,
there's only one truth. And yoga, it's called gotcha,
but it's the ultimate truth and everyone knows it because you

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feel it inside you. Some people choose to go after
that, wrap it up, hold on to it tight.
And some people just go fuck it.They don't do.
They don't ever live in their truth.
I've done both tried one way wasnot a good way.
Now I'm on the other side, love of life, like you said, peace.
We'll do a whole another podcast.
You and I know 153 hours. We're going to break that

(01:11:45):
record. We'll just start talking about.
Are you? Are you?
Do you mean hours or minutes? It says 153 hours is the longest
podcast. I just looked it up.
Oh, I OK, OK. I thought you were telling me
how long we've been talking. No, no, we've been on.
We've been on for 153 hours. We've been on almost an hour and

(01:12:06):
a half, so that's. Are they like on drugs or
sleeping during the podcast? It was done by a team of Dutch
podcasters during Dutch movie. So yeah, relay handoff I guess.
But 6 1/2 straight days? The Ragnar of podcasts.
We got that. Well, Sarah, thank you so much
for sharing all this information.

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Obviously most people are not going to know anything that we
just talked about and this is really educational.
I don't think so, I think. The people who have heard of it
and I thought I heard of everything.
I've traveled the whole world, never heard of it until 2-3
months ago. And now all of a sudden I'm so
interested and that's why I worked here.
But I think the people who are already will understand what we

(01:12:51):
talked about in this podcast andthe people who don't understand
already. I'll bet you I get a bunch of
messages from people going when's the next podcast, because
they they're going to want they got questions.
Can we do call in? I'll be like you talk Sarah and
see that could get that could get dicey.
We have a pre screen. So I'll just send in a question

(01:13:12):
and we'll we'll do AQ and a podcast all.
Right, Yeah, there we go. We can do that.
That way. The questions, OK, that's a
better idea. We don't need someone calling
and saying. Hello, you're live.
Yeah, we all see all of that. Next thing we know we got we got
claws come out earrings. Let me tell you about you.

(01:13:35):
No, you're the best. I appreciate you coming on and
telling. This is amazing.
And yeah, obviously we got a lotmore to talk about and I can't
wait to see you in a couple weeks coming to visit.
Yeah, you're coming up to see me.
That's amazing. It's my first.
It's really happening, right? It's my first time to Alberta.
Yeah, it's really. I love it.
I'm so excited, it looks so beautiful in the pictures but

(01:13:59):
I'm also guaranteed it's still warm because I'm like I don't
want to be there when it's cold.It's August.
It's. Going to be perfect, right?
Right. It's Alberta though.
She does what she wants. That's why we love her so.
We'll see. Well I will see you soon and
thank you for the great talk andall the information.
Have a great night man. All right, man, you too.
See ya. Bye.