July 21, 2025 • 29 mins
Breathing clean air shouldn't be a luxury, yet most of us unknowingly fill our lungs with harmful particles, pathogens, and chemicals every day inside our own homes. In this eye-opening conversation, Michael Church welcomes Robia Turner, an indoor air quality expert from Vollara, to uncover the invisible dangers lurking in our living spaces.
While we carefully scrutinize our food and water, we rarely consider the quality of what we breathe continuously—despite survival being measured in minutes without air, versus days without water or weeks without food. Turner reveals why traditional filtration approaches fall short and explains how modern active purification technologies can transform your home's air quality in ways that passive filters simply cannot.
The fascinating science behind ionization technology shows how nature's own purification method during thunderstorms can be replicated inside our homes. By sending out negative and positive ions throughout living spaces, these systems cause harmful particles to clump together and drop out of the breathing zone while simultaneously neutralizing viruses and bacteria. A recent hospital study showed this technology reduced hospital-acquired infections by over 70%—powerful evidence of its effectiveness.
Particularly concerning is the discussion of volatile organic compounds (VOCs) that off-gas from furniture, paint, carpeting, and cleaning products. Turner shares a poignant example about new parents who carefully prepare nurseries with fresh paint and carpeting, unknowingly creating a toxic environment for their newborn's developing immune system. Even products labeled "low VOC" focus on protecting the ozone layer, not human health.
Most homeowners notice significant improvements within just 2-3 days of installation, especially those with allergies, asthma, or respiratory sensitivities. If you're concerned about your home's air quality or simply want to create the healthiest possible environment for your family, this conversation provides crucial information about technology that goes beyond masking odors or filtering only what passes through a mechanical system.
Ready to breathe easier? Click here to connect with Robia Turner and learn more about how active air purification can transform your home's air quality. Your lungs will thank you.
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Michael Church (00:00):
Hey there, Michael Church with Crawl Space
Ninja.
Today I have a special guestwith me.
I have is an independentsales professional with Vollara
who makes indoor airpurification and water
purification technologies, andtoday we're gonna do a deep dive
into indoor air quality, airpurification, filtration, vocs,
(00:21):
particles, germs, colds, thingslike that.
I've got a bunch of questionsfor .
What are the biggest indoor airproblems homeowners face today?
How do air purifiers workversus filtration?
We're gonna talk about HEPAfiltration and can air purifiers
remove allergens, mold sporesand how does humidity affect air
purification?
(00:42):
So and I have known each othera long time.
This is gonna be some greatinformation.
Make sure you listen to thisvideo while you're driving.
You'll get some goodinformation out of it.
Here we go, .
How long have we known eachother?
Robia Turner (00:53):
It's been 06, 07, somewhere in that range, 08
maybe.
Yeah, it's been some time, myfriend.
Michael Church (00:59):
It's been a long time.
We've even been on a couple ofvacations and cruises together.
We've had cargo in Arubatogether.
Yes, that was interesting, butanyway.
Robia Turner (01:12):
Those are some of my favorite memories on some of
the trips that we've takentogether, but the one I'll
always remember is where younonchalantly came up and was
like, hey, man, I just petted amanatee or something.
Right, you're like it's justlike you rolled over and I'm
like Michael lives a life thatI'm not sure I can relate to.
We were doing the scuba orsomething.
I can't remember if it was inAruba or Cancun that you did
(01:34):
that trip.
That was pretty cool.
Michael Church (01:36):
Yeah, we were at Coco Cay or Coco Cay Island
Royal Caribbean Cruise.
Yeah, this little baby manatee.
We were out a scuba dive in.
This little baby manatee.
Just rolled up on us while wewere out, probably 25, 30 feet
deep, and just decided to rollover like a dog and I was like
scratching his belly.
Yeah that was pretty cool,pretty cool stuff.
So anyway, I appreciate youcoming on, , because obviously
(01:58):
post well pre-COVID airqualities, you know, you and I,
I have known about poor airquality forever.
I mean, we kind of have thatbackground there.
But post-COVID it seems likemore and more Americans are
waking up to the air qualityproblem and one of the things I
always find interesting is thateverybody always focuses on air
and water.
I'm sorry, on food and water,which is obviously important,
(02:22):
but you and I have learned overthe years you know you can go
what 30 plus days without food.
You can go, you know, three,four days without water, but you
can't go very long without airand nobody seems to have an
emphasis on air quality andthat's why I had come on today
and he's going to talk to us alittle bit about air quality.
(02:42):
Comes from that background anda company that produces air and
water purification technology.
So,, what is the biggest indoor air
quality problem that you feeltoday that homeowners face?
Robia Turner (02:55):
You know it's a.
It's a great question becauseif you would ask pre-pandemic
right, I'd say the majority ofpeople when we discussed indoor
air quality they would thinkabout particulate matter.
Hey, I see the sun shining, seethe things floating, I know
that probably breathing that inyou know your lungs are the
filters.
Kind of the joke If you don'thave good filtration in the home
(03:15):
or a good purification, smells,odor controls.
And it wasn't until after thepandemic that people really got
kind of awakened to thepathogens, the viruses, the
bacteria, the nosocomialdiseases that can be passed to
and fro.
Especially if you've got littleones feels like the little one
gets sick and then you all getsick.
So that's been more on theradar.
(03:36):
But honestly, michael, I stillthink it comes down to it
depends on where you're at andwhat resonates with you.
But for me personally I stillfeel like the VOCs, the
particulate matters, the petdander.
I really really feel like if wecould just one thing, if we
could just help people removethat particulate matter, how
much of a drastic improvementthat would be beyond some of the
(03:57):
other stuff that our companyhelps with or other companies
help with out there, the indoorair quality issues.
But I would say in 18 years.
That's the one that I feel likehas the quickest, biggest
impact for all our end users.
Michael Church (04:10):
Well, and you bring up a fantastic point,
because all of those germs,viruses, still have to ride on,
something you know.
Granted, they can beindependent, but most of the
time they settle out fairlyquickly, but you've got some
particles out there that don'tsettle out for hours you
probably know better than me.
(04:30):
I would say some for days,depending on what it is,
especially if you open the doorand the draft comes through.
Tell us a little bit about that, because I read into that too.
In my business, being a base ofwaterproof and crawl space
encapsulation, stuff like that,people are normally focused on
what they can see right.
So for us it's standing water.
So if you have a basement, youknow water floods in and messes
(04:53):
up your furniture.
You know all that.
But nobody thinks abouthumidity which you can't see,
you know.
So I want you to touch on thatparticle that you can't see.
Tell us a little bit about whythat's so dangerous and what air
purification has been proven todo over the years.
Robia Turner (05:06):
Yeah, you know one of the and again, I'm a novice
when it comes to the level ofexperts like, say, for you are
in your field, different, someof our creators, of our
technology, whatnot.
But the thing that I've learnedover the years is that, you
know, we like when SARS-CoV-2and COVID comes out and
everybody is like on the paniclevel because of the exposure,
(05:26):
the media.
You know that was actuallyeasier for us to handle, even
though when you're talking aboutthe size of particulates, to us
it felt like the more dangerousthing would be like the mold
spores that you can't see.
Everybody thinks of mold as avisual on a wall or in a mold,
or I'm sure you see it all thetime in your deal.
(05:47):
But it's the things that youcan't see You're breathing in,
like the mold spores, like thevolatile organic compounds, the
off-gassings.
It is one of those things.
It's like you don't think aboutit because you can't see it, so
it must not be doing anythingto you.
But yet you maybe have allergies, asthma, things that are
triggering, but you're like myhome's clean, Everything looks
(06:09):
nice, and it's just some ofthose things that the human eye
learned that from you, man, thehuman eye can only see so much,
right?
If you looked under your air,indoor airspace, under a
microscope parts per billion youstart getting into these things
that you can't see that we'rebreathing in and out unless you
have the right type of indoorair quality and whatnot.
And that really started back inthe seventies and eighties as
we started sealing up our homesway more right, Because we
(06:31):
wanted efficiency with theheating and the cooling and
that's been great.
But now there's no naturalairflow, like you said, opening
the doors, opening the windows,so you're trapping all these
things that you can't see, butyou are breathing and it is
having a major impact on yourday to day living, your health,
and it's just one of thosethings that like coming on
platforms like this to helpeducate and I just love coming
(06:53):
from the standpoint of oh, isn'tthat interesting, Like just
having the thought process inthe conversation.
Michael Church (07:00):
Yeah, and YouTube's given us the ability
to broaden our reach if you will.
Yeah, and YouTube's given usthe ability to broaden our reach
if you will.
But when we first got startedin air quality, we'd do lunch
and learns and breakfast andlearns, or we were going around
educating architects and realestate folks and HVAC
contractors and of course, someof them are like, oh, I already
know all this stuff.
But a lot of them were able tolisten to us and were willing, I
(07:22):
should say, to listen to us.
A lot of them were able tolisten to us and were willing, I
should say, to listen to us,and you know that's part of what
this platform does is it givesus that opportunity, you know,
to talk about particles and I'dlike for you, if you don't mind,
you know, tell us a little bitabout, because I think
everybody's still on the filterbandwagon, which is an important
thing.
You need filtration in your home, but people, you know, it seems
(07:45):
like it's either that or ozone,right?
I mean, those are like the twoways that everybody knows in
America about how to address andone is good and the other one
is bad.
Right, and you know, ozone hasits place, obviously, and all
that, but what is it exactlythat your technology does to
particles that neitherfiltration nor ozone can do?
(08:06):
Could you share that with us?
Robia Turner (08:08):
Yeah, absolutely, and you're right.
The way that we teach ourorganization, our sales
organization, across this, hey,we love to cooperate and work.
Collaborate with any type ofother filtering type products,
anything.
If you've upgraded your centralheat return filters, great.
I just love seeing people thatare starting to see their
(08:29):
awareness grow and are takingproactive measurements to
improve their home.
Right, it's our sanctuary, it'sour oasis.
What makes our technology sounique, michael, is that you
know, let's go off the dustthing, right, because dust can
relate with everyone, right?
Well, so many times ourtechnology would be tested and
(08:50):
they would take us through theback of our machine and it would
just blow most of it out thefront.
They'd be like this is ahorrible filter and it's like,
well, we're not a filter, ourtechnology.
What makes it so unique and whywe've had such success helping
people in their homes is it is asmaller six by nine, eight by
(09:11):
12 type purifier, but it sendsout negative and positive
ionizations.
It uses like a brush ionizationand it floods the home All
healthy, by the way, just like.
Think about how lightningstrikes during a thunderstorm.
Right, I always say this.
You and I live in EastTennessee and I do this locally
so, but no matter where you'reat in the United States,
watching this or around theworld, everybody has that
beautiful scenic place in theirworld and maybe it's back and
forth through their work tripand in the Smoky Mountains.
(09:31):
When we go through sometimesthose mountains look a little
hazy, but then there's some daysyou come through and it looks
crystal clear and it typicallyfollows after a thunderstorm,
follows after a thunderstorm.
So as much as our developerswould like to take credit, we're
just kind of mimicking whathappens during a thunderstorm.
Right, positive, negativeionizations, removing
particulate matter.
We do that in a person's home orbusiness where, instead of a
(09:54):
particulate having to come toour purifier right, like a
filter would have to say per sewe go out and give 50 square
feet up to 3,500 square feet forone unit, we can do no matter
whatever levels, and we removeall that particulate.
So in my home, if the dust wasover there in the back corner it
would settle it out of thebreathing space.
So Cincinnati University did astudy for us, michael, that
(10:15):
shows that with our technologyin a home, in a room, depending
on the structure of it, right,there are some limitations that
we're going to speed up thatnatural process of gravity by
200% or so quicker out of thebreathing space, and so I'll
follow up on some other things,but that's the number one thing
is that it's an activetechnology.
(10:36):
It's not passive.
We don't need the particulates,the bacteria, viruses, to come
to ours.
We're actually sending asolution out, safe, healthy,
into the home, the businessenvironment, removing
particulate matters and doingsome amazing things in the air
and on surfaces for thehomeowner or the end user.
Michael Church (10:54):
Yeah, so if I can kind of summarize what
you're saying, your technologythrows out these positive and
negative ions.
It takes a particle.
It doesn't care how small orhow large the particle is, and
you know, we all remember thenorth and south magnets whenever
we were growing up in school.
It basically causes thoseparticles to clump together and
this, from what I understand,does two things.
(11:15):
Number one, like you said, itdrops it out of the breathing
zone, so it makes it heavyenough so that it cannot stay
airborne for as long, would yousay 200 percent faster in some
cases, right?
The other thing it does is itmakes the particle large enough
to be captured by a filter, andthat's very important because
most people don't understandthat filtration is limited on
(11:36):
how large the particle is.
For example, epa, which ishigh-efficiency particulate air
filter, can only capture 99.97%,all right.
Germs, viruses, things likethat cannot be captured, from
what I understand, by thosetypes of filters.
So this particle, it'll take agerm, it'll take a virus, it'll
(11:59):
take a dust mite, it'll take amold spore, and it kind of
throws them together.
Is that correct?
Robia Turner (12:04):
It is correct, and the power of the added layer,
because that's only one third ofwhat our products do the added
layers.
Activepure is our proprietarytechnology that's got so
effective.
We just had a study, michael,that just came out.
It was a Louisiana and aKentucky-based hospital put our
technology in there and forthose 24 months had a reduction
(12:26):
of over 70% of all hospitalacquired infections, and the
American Medical Journal postedthat.
I could share that link maybein the comments of this deal so
people can see it.
But what's amazing about that isso not only is removing the
particulate matter, but it isactually neutralizing and
neutralizing or deactivatingthose viruses or bacteria, even
(12:46):
while they're in the air.
So it's exactly what you'resaying we're capturing it, we're
making what technologies youmay currently have in the home
or business more effective, butwe're allowing you to collect it
.
But even before it hits theground, we're deactivating and
neutralizing a majority of thosepathogens, bacteria, viruses
and then also removing all theparticulate, which is why we
(13:07):
have so many positivetestimonies about.
You know, when you think ofallergies or asthma or different
you know all the differentthings something triggers right,
and the more triggers we canremove, the better and healthier
a space can be for a homeowneror business owner.
Michael Church (13:21):
Wherever our products are at Well, and I
would think a side benefit ofeverything you just described is
also you're making theenvironment smell better.
Because if you get you know,let's face it the only reason
why a skunk stinks when you'redriving down the road is because
particles of the skunk made itinto your car, right?
I mean, that's really whathappens.
It's either their spray ortheir body parts.
(13:43):
Something's coming into yourcar, right.
So if you can drop all thoseparticles out of this part of
your breathing zone, it shouldhelp to control odors as well.
Right Now there are sometechnologies out there that
destroy odors, like ozone andthings like that that actively,
you know, destroy those.
But getting those odorousmaterials out of that breathing
zone certainly does have abenefit.
Robia Turner (14:05):
Well, michael, you bring up a cherished memory
because before I got introducedto this company and started
working with this particulartype product or learning about
indoor quality, I was an adult.
But my father fell on sometough times, had him move in and
he was a smoker and so notknowingly, you know, and again,
if you're out there, this mayresonate with you if you're
watching this I was concernedabout the smell.
(14:27):
I wanted a good smell.
What does a clean home smelllike?
So I had Febrezes and Gladeplugins and candles and all
these things that I didn'trealize how much more they were
putting out more particulates.
Like you said, the skunk smellis not there and it's just.
There's nothing there.
It's something in the air, aparticulate in the air, and
we're breathing that, and so alot of homeowners.
(14:48):
We try to show that ourtechnologies or a lot of good
indoor air quality solutions aregoing to get rid of good or bad
smells.
Right, because we want to getthat out of the breathing space.
The smell is something thatyou're breathing in to the body,
which is, it's a very goodvisual.
Michael Church (15:04):
You just did with the skunk, michael Well
thank you, and you know thatbrings up a good point.
We're not going to name anynames, but you know some of
these cover-ups could be worsethan what you're covering up.
You know some of them usephenol, for example, which is a
neurotoxin right?
And you know I'm not going tomention any names.
(15:24):
I don't want to.
You know, go down that road, butlook it up, look up what phenol
has done over the years and howbad it is, and some parents are
just like, oh well, let's justspray this and kill germs and
take care of odors.
You know there's a lot of badstuff out there that are nothing
more than just more toxic thanwhat you're using it for.
And I think your technology isgreat.
(15:45):
I've been using it for manyyears.
You know it's in our offices atCrawl Space Ninja.
It's in our homes.
You know, even when we travelRabia, we take it with us
Because, I tell you, going downto the Gulf and staying in one
of those Airbnbs or somethinglike that that's been shut up
for a couple of weeks, you getthat musty smell and it takes
care of it pretty quick.
(16:05):
Speaking of that, how quicklywould someone, would a homeowner
, notice when they install yourtechnology in their home?
What are you hearing from yourcustomers?
Where they notice?
You know how quickly thisproduct is working for them.
Robia Turner (16:19):
Yeah, depending on the amount of people that are
living in the home.
What is the primary concern?
You know if it's, but onaverage, right, there's always
the exception to the rule Withintwo to three business days 24,
72 hours business days.
I'm in the shipping world, themindset, right, you can expect
your package in two to three.
In two to three days, right,You'll start seeing notice.
Some people see it much quickerbecause they're more sensitive,
(16:41):
right?
Also, being mindful of whatyou're looking for.
But ultimately it's two tothree days.
And that's what's so amazing andthat's been our biggest
challenge as a company since Ijoined in 07 was to most people,
when they think of filtrationor indoor air quality solutions,
it's like how is the whole homebeing covered?
(17:01):
And we use the law of gases asan example, or the smell of
popcorn, you know, if you burnsomething in the kitchen, like
when you're going to the Airbnb,whatever those those smells,
we're going to the natural airflows of a home, the central
heat and air, the ceiling fans.
It takes about, you know, twoto three days to get our
coverage all throughout the home.
But you talk about the travelpart.
(17:22):
We have to travel a lot as well, Michael, for going to
different hotels and whatnot,but the peace of mind that we
have right, especially all theunfortunate information we've
learned post-pandemic rightAbout cleanliness.
The biggest takeaway I had,Michael, with COVID was I was
alarmed that we needed to teachpeople to wash their hands and
(17:44):
cleanliness things.
And then you think, hey, we'reall human.
But now I just look at everyhotel, every Airbnb a little
differently, even thougheverybody's really great about
cleanliness.
I like having that extra layerof just peace of mind.
Wherever we go, we open up thedoors, we plug in the purifier,
we go have dinner and by thetime we come back we know 12
hours, 24 hours.
It's working, it's magic.
Michael Church (18:05):
Very good, very good.
Yeah, a lot of people don'trealize, especially in a hotel.
The dirtiest thing in the hotel, from what I understand, is
actually the remote for the tv.
Yeah, you know, and uh, youknow everybody's worried about
everything, but they don't havea problem grabbing that remote
and and that air purificationtechnology attacks those surface
contaminants as well.
(18:25):
Is that, is that correct?
Robia Turner (18:26):
yes, yeah, anything with a breathable
surface uh, any surfaces.
You know you think about mineis you're right with the remotes
, because we've actually hadstudies on showing where the
most contaminated germs andstuff are.
I always think about thecurtains.
The curtains never get changed.
That's the one of the areasthat I'm like, oh man, so you
know you like I said that peaceof mind, because we know it's
(18:46):
going to penetrate all thesurfaces in the air.
On surfaces you get the effectsof active cure, so to speak,
very good.
Michael Church (18:53):
Very good, melissa.
I got two more things I want tocover with you real quick.
Tell us about what VOCs are andyou know, because obviously
that's a little different than aparticle.
So give us a little bit aboutinformation about VOCs and then
how your technology helps toaddress all the organic
compounds.
Robia Turner (19:10):
Yeah, and you know it's very interesting because I
think of it as off-gassing,right?
The definition refers to as abroad class of organic chemical
compounds that are gaseous undernormal conditions and easily
vaporize an air atmosphere.
Had to Google that because I'mfrom South Alabama and want to
make sure I get that right, mike.
Okay, but the thing is and Ilove South Alabama, by the way,
(19:31):
I just stopped at high school onany education.
But the thing that we want totalk about is is I always think
about this.
I just helped a client in Tyler, texas, who contacted me and
their family just had a fourweek old that got I forget what
it was called cystic fibrosis,right, and the thing that he was
concerned about was is going tobe that child's ability for the
(19:52):
natural immune system to fightoff and different things.
And one of the marketing thingsthat we've done in the past,
michael, is we talk about, youknow, think about the newborn.
Everybody gets excited.
They pick a room this is goingto be the nursery, they paint it
, they buy brand new ribs, a newcarpet, normally give it a
refresher and you've got allthis off gassings, these glues,
(20:14):
these chemicals and you'retaking the baby with the brand
new immune system and pluggingit in.
And you're in our mind, we'redoing it as a sweet gesture.
We just don't realize just howmuch is coming off that.
And again that comes back to howyou started.
It's it's it's flooding it withionization to be able to take
all that off gas and breaking itdown with our active.
All that goes into play to justmake sure that you're going to
(20:36):
not have that, especially whenwe had, unfortunately, hurricane
Helene down in here locally,but any kind of those hurricanes
like along the coast.
You have the FEMA trailers thatcome in, but again you have all
the off gases, whatnot, andyou're forced to go in there and
we're able to put ourpurification in there and break
all those VOCs down, take themout of the breathing space.
And again, our goal always hasbeen to give.
(20:59):
We don't treat the person, wejust try to give them the
healthiest environment, to makesure that they're not absorbing
all those chemicals.
All those different things Ifwe're talking about VOCs
directly.
Right, all those differentthings if we're talking about.
Michael Church (21:10):
VOCs directly, right?
Well, for those of you notfamiliar a lot of those FEMA
trailers that he's talking aboutthe way they construct them
with glues and different typesof things is that they off-gas a
lot inside those FEMA trailersand your technology has been
used over the years to helpdecontaminate them, if you will,
even when they're brand new.
I mean, that's one of theissues.
(21:33):
And I want to throw somethingelse out there about VOCs,
because you know we might havesomeone who's getting ready to
have a baby and then they go toHome Depot or Lowe's or whatever
and they get that low VOC pain.
Don't let that fool you,because low VOC pain is only low
VOC to the ozone layer.
Okay, they don't call it low VOCbecause they're trying to help
(21:55):
humans be exposed to low VOCs.
They call it low VOCs becausethey're trying to keep the ozone
layer from being exposed to lowVOCs, which just shows you
where you know, over the years,a priority has been from our
government.
Right, it's not about us, it'sabout other things, and so I'm
not trying to get political.
That's just a common thing thatI found whenever I research.
(22:18):
What is low VOC pain?
Well, it's still off gases andit's still bad for humans, but
go ahead.
You were going to comment onthat.
Robia Turner (22:24):
Well, no, it's just you resonate and I hope
that whoever's watching thesevideos.
That's where the educationpiece is so important.
Right To do the research, totry to do the best.
There's still times when Ithink Heather and I have done
really positive things and thenwe realize, oh my goodness, we
didn't dig far enough.
But a gentleman in our businessnetworking group, michael,
talked about they were justchanging over the Freons and our
(22:47):
central heat and pumps for thehomes.
And, like you just said, Iwould have thought, or anybody
would think, the low OVFCs, hey,that's a better thing, right,
and the Freon has nothing to dowith deficiencies, anything,
it's about the ozone layer.
And then they said one of theside things to the new system is
it's extremely flammable andit's like, oh my goodness.
(23:12):
And so I just think your pointis.
So if we could just encourageanybody watching this do your
research.
No one's ever said, hey, I didtoo much research and then made
a decision and felt bad about it.
Right, it's always that thatquick instant Just read the
label, and it doesn't alwayscome across that way.
I thought that was such a goodpoint, man.
Michael Church (23:24):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, the last thing I want tocover with you and this was
something that came up moreafter COVID for me I want to
cover with you and this wassomething that came up more
after COVID for me, because Ididn't realize it was humidity
and its effect on air quality.
And you know that's, you know,I've always.
Yeah, humidity causes mold.
We all kind of knew that.
Standing water definitelycauses mold, but your product
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still needs humidity in order towork properly.
So tell us a little bit aboutthat and how is that a factor
when it comes to airpurification?
Robia Turner (23:54):
Yeah, and again this is kind of I'm going to
have fringe information on this,but the way that the active
purers priority technology worksis, it's creating what they
call hydroxyl radicals, and forthat process to take place there
has to be a certain level ofmoisture in the vicinity, in the
home, and so sometimes ifyou're in a drier area like we
(24:15):
face this a lot, obviously inColorado, or sometimes up north,
when the air is just a littlecleaner or drier in the winter,
we always recommend that peopleget a, not a dehumidifier but a
humidifier, because our processis more effective with a certain
level of moisture in the air.
And, Michael, I know yourtechnical background.
You could probably evenhighlight that more, but that is
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something that we had to startsharing with people if we didn't
see the results that we wereexpecting.
So if you ever have any type ofpurifier that creates hydroxyl
I know there's a few differentmodels, some that are older
technologies active pures hasgone and always been kind of
cutting edge.
The moisture is going to playan effect on that, but again,
it's that fine balance, becauseif you have too much moisture
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then you have a breeding groundfor mold, mildew, and we're
trying to avoid that too.
So it is one of those keythings.
And I know you have thedehumidifiers across space and
you kind of work on theexcessive side of things, but
there is such a thing that ifthe dry conditions are there,
you may.
Michael Church (25:17):
You can never go wrong with adding that humidity
, especially if you have aproduct like ours.
Yeah, ashrae which I alwaysforget what that acronym stands
for, but it's the heating andair guys, those engineers, you
know.
They've come out with quite afew documentations and there is
no perfect humidity, but whatwe've gleaned from that research
is that a really great humidityis between 45 and 55%.
(25:37):
You know, for example, you knowwe live in the South.
It's always humid here.
I mean, even in the winter wemight have a 30% humidity, you
know, when it gets super coldbut it only lasts a couple of
days and then it pops back up.
But you know, if you live inMinnesota or or, like you said,
denver or someplace like thatwhere you could be in the
twenties for weeks, if notmonths, you have to add humidity
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to the air.
You know, and and I don't likewhole home humidity or
humidifiers as much as I likeroom ones but in some cases you
may need a whole home humidifier.
I've certainly pulled out a lotof whole home humidifiers here
in Tennessee because we don'tneed them.
You know, like you said, theybecome breeding grounds because,
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number one, the homeownerdoesn't seem to know how to use
it properly and, number two,they don't maintenance it, so
now it becomes a mold source andthose drier climates.
A whole home system is good.
But yeah, with your airpurification technology, from
what I understand, it takes O2and H2O and does something weird
, joins them together for amoment to where it's H2O2, and
(26:47):
then they break back apart to O2and H2O.
Is that kind of a?
Robia Turner (26:50):
simple way.
Right and during that reactionis where we have that cleaning
agency that allows us toneutralize things in the air on
the surface.
Michael has always had anability to take something
complicated and break it down tosimple forms where everyone can
understand, and I've alwaysrespected you and admired that.
I'm more of a hey, here's thebenefits, this is how we do it.
And when they say, how did itget done, I'm like, well, let me
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point you to a video.
But, michael, that's an amazingskill set.
But, yes, that is exactly whattakes place and that's what I
love about sharing.
Again, I want any end user justto make incremental steps of a
better indoor air quality,healthy living.
But with our products, it's notre-engineering anything, it's.
We have the science that youcan back it up, you can explain
(27:35):
it, we can point to it, and I'mreally proud that our company,
especially the last five or sixyears, has really invested in a
ton of research so that we canpoint to that and say, hey,
here's, here's the scientificfacts of how it happens.
So that was an excellent.
I'm going to take some notesthere, michael, for my own
presentations, my friend.
Michael Church (27:52):
That's right.
Well, I appreciate you doingthis call with me, rubia, and
I'm going to put a link downbelow.
If anybody wants to get intouch with Rubia and this air
purification technology that hehas, make sure you mention that
you watch this video and he'llsteer you in the right direction
.
And they, they have just done agreat job.
They've got a great product.
And they have just done a greatjob.
They've got a great product.
It's got a fantastic warranty.
(28:12):
You know all this other stuff,and he's just lovely to work
with.
So, rabia, I'm going to have youback, because I know we were
going to talk about alkalinewater at some point.
That's another great topic, youknow.
Just for those of you thatdon't know what alkaline water
is, it's just a way to give youbetter, cleaner and more healthy
water, and we can do anothervideo about that.
(28:34):
Another time, ruby, I'll haveyou come back on the channel and
let's talk about that.
But what you've shared hereabout air purification
technology is fantastic.
So anything else you want tolet anybody know about before I
let you go.
Robia Turner (28:45):
Very much look forward to the alkaline hydrogen
water that's a big buzzwordright now in the health industry
and we've been doing that since2012.
So we'd love to have thatconversation.
And, michael, I just want tosay how much we appreciate what
Crawl Space, your business, yourfamily, has done.
We're very close to each othergeographically and it's been
admirable to see and I haveclients that have used your
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services and don't know that weknow each other and rave about
what you've done.
There's no better feeling thanwhen you see peers, friends,
family members like that getbragged about not knowing a
connection, and so you've got anamazing company.
It was an honor to be on yourvideo today and if anybody ever
contacts us, even if you're notinterested in purchasing but
have indoor air qualityquestions or purifier questions,
(29:28):
like Michael said, we lovehelping people, we love shaking
hands and meeting new people.
So thanks, michael.
Michael Church (29:33):
Oh yeah, Thank you.
I appreciate that.
That plug for us too.
And anyway, I'm Michael Church,here with Ravia Turner and we
hope you make it a happy andblessed day and we'll see you
next time.
Hey there, Michael Church with Crawl Space
Ninja.
Today I have a special guestwith me.
I have is an independentsales professional with Vollara
who makes indoor airpurification and water
purification technologies, andtoday we're gonna do a deep dive
into indoor air quality, airpurification, filtration, vocs,
(00:21):
particles, germs, colds, thingslike that.
I've got a bunch of questionsfor .
What are the biggest indoor airproblems homeowners face today?
How do air purifiers workversus filtration?
We're gonna talk about HEPAfiltration and can air purifiers
remove allergens, mold sporesand how does humidity affect air
purification?
(00:42):
So and I have known each othera long time.
This is gonna be some greatinformation.
Make sure you listen to thisvideo while you're driving.
You'll get some goodinformation out of it.
Here we go, .
How long have we known eachother?
Robia Turner (00:53):
It's been 06, 07, somewhere in that range, 08
maybe.
Yeah, it's been some time, myfriend.
Michael Church (00:59):
It's been a long time.
We've even been on a couple ofvacations and cruises together.
We've had cargo in Arubatogether.
Yes, that was interesting, butanyway.
Robia Turner (01:12):
Those are some of my favorite memories on some of
the trips that we've takentogether, but the one I'll
always remember is where younonchalantly came up and was
like, hey, man, I just petted amanatee or something.
Right, you're like it's justlike you rolled over and I'm
like Michael lives a life thatI'm not sure I can relate to.
We were doing the scuba orsomething.
I can't remember if it was inAruba or Cancun that you did
(01:34):
that trip.
That was pretty cool.
Michael Church (01:36):
Yeah, we were at Coco Cay or Coco Cay Island
Royal Caribbean Cruise.
Yeah, this little baby manatee.
We were out a scuba dive in.
This little baby manatee.
Just rolled up on us while wewere out, probably 25, 30 feet
deep, and just decided to rollover like a dog and I was like
scratching his belly.
Yeah that was pretty cool,pretty cool stuff.
So anyway, I appreciate youcoming on, , because obviously
(01:58):
post well pre-COVID airqualities, you know, you and I,
I have known about poor airquality forever.
I mean, we kind of have thatbackground there.
But post-COVID it seems likemore and more Americans are
waking up to the air qualityproblem and one of the things I
always find interesting is thateverybody always focuses on air
and water.
I'm sorry, on food and water,which is obviously important,
(02:22):
but you and I have learned overthe years you know you can go
what 30 plus days without food.
You can go, you know, three,four days without water, but you
can't go very long without airand nobody seems to have an
emphasis on air quality andthat's why I had come on today
and he's going to talk to us alittle bit about air quality.
(02:42):
Comes from that background anda company that produces air and
water purification technology.
So,, what is the biggest indoor air
quality problem that you feeltoday that homeowners face?
Robia Turner (02:55):
You know it's a.
It's a great question becauseif you would ask pre-pandemic
right, I'd say the majority ofpeople when we discussed indoor
air quality they would thinkabout particulate matter.
Hey, I see the sun shining, seethe things floating, I know
that probably breathing that inyou know your lungs are the
filters.
Kind of the joke If you don'thave good filtration in the home
(03:15):
or a good purification, smells,odor controls.
And it wasn't until after thepandemic that people really got
kind of awakened to thepathogens, the viruses, the
bacteria, the nosocomialdiseases that can be passed to
and fro.
Especially if you've got littleones feels like the little one
gets sick and then you all getsick.
So that's been more on theradar.
(03:36):
But honestly, michael, I stillthink it comes down to it
depends on where you're at andwhat resonates with you.
But for me personally I stillfeel like the VOCs, the
particulate matters, the petdander.
I really really feel like if wecould just one thing, if we
could just help people removethat particulate matter, how
much of a drastic improvementthat would be beyond some of the
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other stuff that our companyhelps with or other companies
help with out there, the indoorair quality issues.
But I would say in 18 years.
That's the one that I feel likehas the quickest, biggest
impact for all our end users.
Michael Church (04:10):
Well, and you bring up a fantastic point,
because all of those germs,viruses, still have to ride on,
something you know.
Granted, they can beindependent, but most of the
time they settle out fairlyquickly, but you've got some
particles out there that don'tsettle out for hours you
probably know better than me.
(04:30):
I would say some for days,depending on what it is,
especially if you open the doorand the draft comes through.
Tell us a little bit about that, because I read into that too.
In my business, being a base ofwaterproof and crawl space
encapsulation, stuff like that,people are normally focused on
what they can see right.
So for us it's standing water.
So if you have a basement, youknow water floods in and messes
(04:53):
up your furniture.
You know all that.
But nobody thinks abouthumidity which you can't see,
you know.
So I want you to touch on thatparticle that you can't see.
Tell us a little bit about whythat's so dangerous and what air
purification has been proven todo over the years.
Robia Turner (05:06):
Yeah, you know one of the and again, I'm a novice
when it comes to the level ofexperts like, say, for you are
in your field, different, someof our creators, of our
technology, whatnot.
But the thing that I've learnedover the years is that, you
know, we like when SARS-CoV-2and COVID comes out and
everybody is like on the paniclevel because of the exposure,
(05:26):
the media.
You know that was actuallyeasier for us to handle, even
though when you're talking aboutthe size of particulates, to us
it felt like the more dangerousthing would be like the mold
spores that you can't see.
Everybody thinks of mold as avisual on a wall or in a mold,
or I'm sure you see it all thetime in your deal.
(05:47):
But it's the things that youcan't see You're breathing in,
like the mold spores, like thevolatile organic compounds, the
off-gassings.
It is one of those things.
It's like you don't think aboutit because you can't see it, so
it must not be doing anythingto you.
But yet you maybe have allergies, asthma, things that are
triggering, but you're like myhome's clean, Everything looks
(06:09):
nice, and it's just some ofthose things that the human eye
learned that from you, man, thehuman eye can only see so much,
right?
If you looked under your air,indoor airspace, under a
microscope parts per billion youstart getting into these things
that you can't see that we'rebreathing in and out unless you
have the right type of indoorair quality and whatnot.
And that really started back inthe seventies and eighties as
we started sealing up our homesway more right, Because we
(06:31):
wanted efficiency with theheating and the cooling and
that's been great.
But now there's no naturalairflow, like you said, opening
the doors, opening the windows,so you're trapping all these
things that you can't see, butyou are breathing and it is
having a major impact on yourday to day living, your health,
and it's just one of thosethings that like coming on
platforms like this to helpeducate and I just love coming
(06:53):
from the standpoint of oh, isn'tthat interesting, Like just
having the thought process inthe conversation.
Michael Church (07:00):
Yeah, and YouTube's given us the ability
to broaden our reach if you will.
Yeah, and YouTube's given usthe ability to broaden our reach
if you will.
But when we first got startedin air quality, we'd do lunch
and learns and breakfast andlearns, or we were going around
educating architects and realestate folks and HVAC
contractors and of course, someof them are like, oh, I already
know all this stuff.
But a lot of them were able tolisten to us and were willing, I
(07:22):
should say, to listen to us.
A lot of them were able tolisten to us and were willing, I
should say, to listen to us,and you know that's part of what
this platform does is it givesus that opportunity, you know,
to talk about particles and I'dlike for you, if you don't mind,
you know, tell us a little bitabout, because I think
everybody's still on the filterbandwagon, which is an important
thing.
You need filtration in your home, but people, you know, it seems
(07:45):
like it's either that or ozone,right?
I mean, those are like the twoways that everybody knows in
America about how to address andone is good and the other one
is bad.
Right, and you know, ozone hasits place, obviously, and all
that, but what is it exactlythat your technology does to
particles that neitherfiltration nor ozone can do?
(08:06):
Could you share that with us?
Robia Turner (08:08):
Yeah, absolutely, and you're right.
The way that we teach ourorganization, our sales
organization, across this, hey,we love to cooperate and work.
Collaborate with any type ofother filtering type products,
anything.
If you've upgraded your centralheat return filters, great.
I just love seeing people thatare starting to see their
(08:29):
awareness grow and are takingproactive measurements to
improve their home.
Right, it's our sanctuary, it'sour oasis.
What makes our technology sounique, michael, is that you
know, let's go off the dustthing, right, because dust can
relate with everyone, right?
Well, so many times ourtechnology would be tested and
(08:50):
they would take us through theback of our machine and it would
just blow most of it out thefront.
They'd be like this is ahorrible filter and it's like,
well, we're not a filter, ourtechnology.
What makes it so unique and whywe've had such success helping
people in their homes is it is asmaller six by nine, eight by
(09:11):
12 type purifier, but it sendsout negative and positive
ionizations.
It uses like a brush ionizationand it floods the home All
healthy, by the way, just like.
Think about how lightningstrikes during a thunderstorm.
Right, I always say this.
You and I live in EastTennessee and I do this locally
so, but no matter where you'reat in the United States,
watching this or around theworld, everybody has that
beautiful scenic place in theirworld and maybe it's back and
forth through their work tripand in the Smoky Mountains.
(09:31):
When we go through sometimesthose mountains look a little
hazy, but then there's some daysyou come through and it looks
crystal clear and it typicallyfollows after a thunderstorm,
follows after a thunderstorm.
So as much as our developerswould like to take credit, we're
just kind of mimicking whathappens during a thunderstorm.
Right, positive, negativeionizations, removing
particulate matter.
We do that in a person's home orbusiness where, instead of a
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particulate having to come toour purifier right, like a
filter would have to say per sewe go out and give 50 square
feet up to 3,500 square feet forone unit, we can do no matter
whatever levels, and we removeall that particulate.
So in my home, if the dust wasover there in the back corner it
would settle it out of thebreathing space.
So Cincinnati University did astudy for us, michael, that
(10:15):
shows that with our technologyin a home, in a room, depending
on the structure of it, right,there are some limitations that
we're going to speed up thatnatural process of gravity by
200% or so quicker out of thebreathing space, and so I'll
follow up on some other things,but that's the number one thing
is that it's an activetechnology.
(10:36):
It's not passive.
We don't need the particulates,the bacteria, viruses, to come
to ours.
We're actually sending asolution out, safe, healthy,
into the home, the businessenvironment, removing
particulate matters and doingsome amazing things in the air
and on surfaces for thehomeowner or the end user.
Michael Church (10:54):
Yeah, so if I can kind of summarize what
you're saying, your technologythrows out these positive and
negative ions.
It takes a particle.
It doesn't care how small orhow large the particle is, and
you know, we all remember thenorth and south magnets whenever
we were growing up in school.
It basically causes thoseparticles to clump together and
this, from what I understand,does two things.
(11:15):
Number one, like you said, itdrops it out of the breathing
zone, so it makes it heavyenough so that it cannot stay
airborne for as long, would yousay 200 percent faster in some
cases, right?
The other thing it does is itmakes the particle large enough
to be captured by a filter, andthat's very important because
most people don't understandthat filtration is limited on
(11:36):
how large the particle is.
For example, epa, which ishigh-efficiency particulate air
filter, can only capture 99.97%,all right.
Germs, viruses, things likethat cannot be captured, from
what I understand, by thosetypes of filters.
So this particle, it'll take agerm, it'll take a virus, it'll
(11:59):
take a dust mite, it'll take amold spore, and it kind of
throws them together.
Is that correct?
Robia Turner (12:04):
It is correct, and the power of the added layer,
because that's only one third ofwhat our products do the added
layers.
Activepure is our proprietarytechnology that's got so
effective.
We just had a study, michael,that just came out.
It was a Louisiana and aKentucky-based hospital put our
technology in there and forthose 24 months had a reduction
(12:26):
of over 70% of all hospitalacquired infections, and the
American Medical Journal postedthat.
I could share that link maybein the comments of this deal so
people can see it.
But what's amazing about that isso not only is removing the
particulate matter, but it isactually neutralizing and
neutralizing or deactivatingthose viruses or bacteria, even
(12:46):
while they're in the air.
So it's exactly what you'resaying we're capturing it, we're
making what technologies youmay currently have in the home
or business more effective, butwe're allowing you to collect it
.
But even before it hits theground, we're deactivating and
neutralizing a majority of thosepathogens, bacteria, viruses
and then also removing all theparticulate, which is why we
(13:07):
have so many positivetestimonies about.
You know, when you think ofallergies or asthma or different
you know all the differentthings something triggers right,
and the more triggers we canremove, the better and healthier
a space can be for a homeowneror business owner.
Michael Church (13:21):
Wherever our products are at Well, and I
would think a side benefit ofeverything you just described is
also you're making theenvironment smell better.
Because if you get you know,let's face it the only reason
why a skunk stinks when you'redriving down the road is because
particles of the skunk made itinto your car, right?
I mean, that's really whathappens.
It's either their spray ortheir body parts.
(13:43):
Something's coming into yourcar, right.
So if you can drop all thoseparticles out of this part of
your breathing zone, it shouldhelp to control odors as well.
Right Now there are sometechnologies out there that
destroy odors, like ozone andthings like that that actively,
you know, destroy those.
But getting those odorousmaterials out of that breathing
zone certainly does have abenefit.
Robia Turner (14:05):
Well, michael, you bring up a cherished memory
because before I got introducedto this company and started
working with this particulartype product or learning about
indoor quality, I was an adult.
But my father fell on sometough times, had him move in and
he was a smoker and so notknowingly, you know, and again,
if you're out there, this mayresonate with you if you're
watching this I was concernedabout the smell.
(14:27):
I wanted a good smell.
What does a clean home smelllike?
So I had Febrezes and Gladeplugins and candles and all
these things that I didn'trealize how much more they were
putting out more particulates.
Like you said, the skunk smellis not there and it's just.
There's nothing there.
It's something in the air, aparticulate in the air, and
we're breathing that, and so alot of homeowners.
(14:48):
We try to show that ourtechnologies or a lot of good
indoor air quality solutions aregoing to get rid of good or bad
smells.
Right, because we want to getthat out of the breathing space.
The smell is something thatyou're breathing in to the body,
which is, it's a very goodvisual.
Michael Church (15:04):
You just did with the skunk, michael Well
thank you, and you know thatbrings up a good point.
We're not going to name anynames, but you know some of
these cover-ups could be worsethan what you're covering up.
You know some of them usephenol, for example, which is a
neurotoxin right?
And you know I'm not going tomention any names.
(15:24):
I don't want to.
You know, go down that road, butlook it up, look up what phenol
has done over the years and howbad it is, and some parents are
just like, oh well, let's justspray this and kill germs and
take care of odors.
You know there's a lot of badstuff out there that are nothing
more than just more toxic thanwhat you're using it for.
And I think your technology isgreat.
(15:45):
I've been using it for manyyears.
You know it's in our offices atCrawl Space Ninja.
It's in our homes.
You know, even when we travelRabia, we take it with us
Because, I tell you, going downto the Gulf and staying in one
of those Airbnbs or somethinglike that that's been shut up
for a couple of weeks, you getthat musty smell and it takes
care of it pretty quick.
(16:05):
Speaking of that, how quicklywould someone, would a homeowner
, notice when they install yourtechnology in their home?
What are you hearing from yourcustomers?
Where they notice?
You know how quickly thisproduct is working for them.
Robia Turner (16:19):
Yeah, depending on the amount of people that are
living in the home.
What is the primary concern?
You know if it's, but onaverage, right, there's always
the exception to the rule Withintwo to three business days 24,
72 hours business days.
I'm in the shipping world, themindset, right, you can expect
your package in two to three.
In two to three days, right,You'll start seeing notice.
Some people see it much quickerbecause they're more sensitive,
(16:41):
right?
Also, being mindful of whatyou're looking for.
But ultimately it's two tothree days.
And that's what's so amazing andthat's been our biggest
challenge as a company since Ijoined in 07 was to most people,
when they think of filtrationor indoor air quality solutions,
it's like how is the whole homebeing covered?
(17:01):
And we use the law of gases asan example, or the smell of
popcorn, you know, if you burnsomething in the kitchen, like
when you're going to the Airbnb,whatever those those smells,
we're going to the natural airflows of a home, the central
heat and air, the ceiling fans.
It takes about, you know, twoto three days to get our
coverage all throughout the home.
But you talk about the travelpart.
(17:22):
We have to travel a lot as well, Michael, for going to
different hotels and whatnot,but the peace of mind that we
have right, especially all theunfortunate information we've
learned post-pandemic rightAbout cleanliness.
The biggest takeaway I had,Michael, with COVID was I was
alarmed that we needed to teachpeople to wash their hands and
(17:44):
cleanliness things.
And then you think, hey, we'reall human.
But now I just look at everyhotel, every Airbnb a little
differently, even thougheverybody's really great about
cleanliness.
I like having that extra layerof just peace of mind.
Wherever we go, we open up thedoors, we plug in the purifier,
we go have dinner and by thetime we come back we know 12
hours, 24 hours.
It's working, it's magic.
Michael Church (18:05):
Very good, very good.
Yeah, a lot of people don'trealize, especially in a hotel.
The dirtiest thing in the hotel, from what I understand, is
actually the remote for the tv.
Yeah, you know, and uh, youknow everybody's worried about
everything, but they don't havea problem grabbing that remote
and and that air purificationtechnology attacks those surface
contaminants as well.
(18:25):
Is that, is that correct?
Robia Turner (18:26):
yes, yeah, anything with a breathable
surface uh, any surfaces.
You know you think about mineis you're right with the remotes
, because we've actually hadstudies on showing where the
most contaminated germs andstuff are.
I always think about thecurtains.
The curtains never get changed.
That's the one of the areasthat I'm like, oh man, so you
know you like I said that peaceof mind, because we know it's
(18:46):
going to penetrate all thesurfaces in the air.
On surfaces you get the effectsof active cure, so to speak,
very good.
Michael Church (18:53):
Very good, melissa.
I got two more things I want tocover with you real quick.
Tell us about what VOCs are andyou know, because obviously
that's a little different than aparticle.
So give us a little bit aboutinformation about VOCs and then
how your technology helps toaddress all the organic
compounds.
Robia Turner (19:10):
Yeah, and you know it's very interesting because I
think of it as off-gassing,right?
The definition refers to as abroad class of organic chemical
compounds that are gaseous undernormal conditions and easily
vaporize an air atmosphere.
Had to Google that because I'mfrom South Alabama and want to
make sure I get that right, mike.
Okay, but the thing is and Ilove South Alabama, by the way,
(19:31):
I just stopped at high school onany education.
But the thing that we want totalk about is is I always think
about this.
I just helped a client in Tyler, texas, who contacted me and
their family just had a fourweek old that got I forget what
it was called cystic fibrosis,right, and the thing that he was
concerned about was is going tobe that child's ability for the
(19:52):
natural immune system to fightoff and different things.
And one of the marketing thingsthat we've done in the past,
michael, is we talk about, youknow, think about the newborn.
Everybody gets excited.
They pick a room this is goingto be the nursery, they paint it
, they buy brand new ribs, a newcarpet, normally give it a
refresher and you've got allthis off gassings, these glues,
(20:14):
these chemicals and you'retaking the baby with the brand
new immune system and pluggingit in.
And you're in our mind, we'redoing it as a sweet gesture.
We just don't realize just howmuch is coming off that.
And again that comes back to howyou started.
It's it's it's flooding it withionization to be able to take
all that off gas and breaking itdown with our active.
All that goes into play to justmake sure that you're going to
(20:36):
not have that, especially whenwe had, unfortunately, hurricane
Helene down in here locally,but any kind of those hurricanes
like along the coast.
You have the FEMA trailers thatcome in, but again you have all
the off gases, whatnot, andyou're forced to go in there and
we're able to put ourpurification in there and break
all those VOCs down, take themout of the breathing space.
And again, our goal always hasbeen to give.
(20:59):
We don't treat the person, wejust try to give them the
healthiest environment, to makesure that they're not absorbing
all those chemicals.
All those different things Ifwe're talking about VOCs
directly.
Right, all those differentthings if we're talking about.
Michael Church (21:10):
VOCs directly, right?
Well, for those of you notfamiliar a lot of those FEMA
trailers that he's talking aboutthe way they construct them
with glues and different typesof things is that they off-gas a
lot inside those FEMA trailersand your technology has been
used over the years to helpdecontaminate them, if you will,
even when they're brand new.
I mean, that's one of theissues.
(21:33):
And I want to throw somethingelse out there about VOCs,
because you know we might havesomeone who's getting ready to
have a baby and then they go toHome Depot or Lowe's or whatever
and they get that low VOC pain.
Don't let that fool you,because low VOC pain is only low
VOC to the ozone layer.
Okay, they don't call it low VOCbecause they're trying to help
(21:55):
humans be exposed to low VOCs.
They call it low VOCs becausethey're trying to keep the ozone
layer from being exposed to lowVOCs, which just shows you
where you know, over the years,a priority has been from our
government.
Right, it's not about us, it'sabout other things, and so I'm
not trying to get political.
That's just a common thing thatI found whenever I research.
(22:18):
What is low VOC pain?
Well, it's still off gases andit's still bad for humans, but
go ahead.
You were going to comment onthat.
Robia Turner (22:24):
Well, no, it's just you resonate and I hope
that whoever's watching thesevideos.
That's where the educationpiece is so important.
Right To do the research, totry to do the best.
There's still times when Ithink Heather and I have done
really positive things and thenwe realize, oh my goodness, we
didn't dig far enough.
But a gentleman in our businessnetworking group, michael,
talked about they were justchanging over the Freons and our
(22:47):
central heat and pumps for thehomes.
And, like you just said, Iwould have thought, or anybody
would think, the low OVFCs, hey,that's a better thing, right,
and the Freon has nothing to dowith deficiencies, anything,
it's about the ozone layer.
And then they said one of theside things to the new system is
it's extremely flammable andit's like, oh my goodness.
(23:12):
And so I just think your pointis.
So if we could just encourageanybody watching this do your
research.
No one's ever said, hey, I didtoo much research and then made
a decision and felt bad about it.
Right, it's always that thatquick instant Just read the
label, and it doesn't alwayscome across that way.
I thought that was such a goodpoint, man.
Michael Church (23:24):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, the last thing I want tocover with you and this was
something that came up moreafter COVID for me I want to
cover with you and this wassomething that came up more
after COVID for me, because Ididn't realize it was humidity
and its effect on air quality.
And you know that's, you know,I've always.
Yeah, humidity causes mold.
We all kind of knew that.
Standing water definitelycauses mold, but your product
(23:45):
still needs humidity in order towork properly.
So tell us a little bit aboutthat and how is that a factor
when it comes to airpurification?
Robia Turner (23:54):
Yeah, and again this is kind of I'm going to
have fringe information on this,but the way that the active
purers priority technology worksis, it's creating what they
call hydroxyl radicals, and forthat process to take place there
has to be a certain level ofmoisture in the vicinity, in the
home, and so sometimes ifyou're in a drier area like we
(24:15):
face this a lot, obviously inColorado, or sometimes up north,
when the air is just a littlecleaner or drier in the winter,
we always recommend that peopleget a, not a dehumidifier but a
humidifier, because our processis more effective with a certain
level of moisture in the air.
And, Michael, I know yourtechnical background.
You could probably evenhighlight that more, but that is
(24:36):
something that we had to startsharing with people if we didn't
see the results that we wereexpecting.
So if you ever have any type ofpurifier that creates hydroxyl
I know there's a few differentmodels, some that are older
technologies active pures hasgone and always been kind of
cutting edge.
The moisture is going to playan effect on that, but again,
it's that fine balance, becauseif you have too much moisture
(24:57):
then you have a breeding groundfor mold, mildew, and we're
trying to avoid that too.
So it is one of those keythings.
And I know you have thedehumidifiers across space and
you kind of work on theexcessive side of things, but
there is such a thing that ifthe dry conditions are there,
you may.
Michael Church (25:17):
You can never go wrong with adding that humidity
, especially if you have aproduct like ours.
Yeah, ashrae which I alwaysforget what that acronym stands
for, but it's the heating andair guys, those engineers, you
know.
They've come out with quite afew documentations and there is
no perfect humidity, but whatwe've gleaned from that research
is that a really great humidityis between 45 and 55%.
(25:37):
You know, for example, you knowwe live in the South.
It's always humid here.
I mean, even in the winter wemight have a 30% humidity, you
know, when it gets super coldbut it only lasts a couple of
days and then it pops back up.
But you know, if you live inMinnesota or or, like you said,
denver or someplace like thatwhere you could be in the
twenties for weeks, if notmonths, you have to add humidity
(26:01):
to the air.
You know, and and I don't likewhole home humidity or
humidifiers as much as I likeroom ones but in some cases you
may need a whole home humidifier.
I've certainly pulled out a lotof whole home humidifiers here
in Tennessee because we don'tneed them.
You know, like you said, theybecome breeding grounds because,
(26:21):
number one, the homeownerdoesn't seem to know how to use
it properly and, number two,they don't maintenance it, so
now it becomes a mold source andthose drier climates.
A whole home system is good.
But yeah, with your airpurification technology, from
what I understand, it takes O2and H2O and does something weird
, joins them together for amoment to where it's H2O2, and
(26:47):
then they break back apart to O2and H2O.
Is that kind of a?
Robia Turner (26:50):
simple way.
Right and during that reactionis where we have that cleaning
agency that allows us toneutralize things in the air on
the surface.
Michael has always had anability to take something
complicated and break it down tosimple forms where everyone can
understand, and I've alwaysrespected you and admired that.
I'm more of a hey, here's thebenefits, this is how we do it.
And when they say, how did itget done, I'm like, well, let me
(27:12):
point you to a video.
But, michael, that's an amazingskill set.
But, yes, that is exactly whattakes place and that's what I
love about sharing.
Again, I want any end user justto make incremental steps of a
better indoor air quality,healthy living.
But with our products, it's notre-engineering anything, it's.
We have the science that youcan back it up, you can explain
(27:35):
it, we can point to it, and I'mreally proud that our company,
especially the last five or sixyears, has really invested in a
ton of research so that we canpoint to that and say, hey,
here's, here's the scientificfacts of how it happens.
So that was an excellent.
I'm going to take some notesthere, michael, for my own
presentations, my friend.
Michael Church (27:52):
That's right.
Well, I appreciate you doingthis call with me, rubia, and
I'm going to put a link downbelow.
If anybody wants to get intouch with Rubia and this air
purification technology that hehas, make sure you mention that
you watch this video and he'llsteer you in the right direction
.
And they, they have just done agreat job.
They've got a great product.
And they have just done a greatjob.
They've got a great product.
It's got a fantastic warranty.
(28:12):
You know all this other stuff,and he's just lovely to work
with.
So, rabia, I'm going to have youback, because I know we were
going to talk about alkalinewater at some point.
That's another great topic, youknow.
Just for those of you thatdon't know what alkaline water
is, it's just a way to give youbetter, cleaner and more healthy
water, and we can do anothervideo about that.
(28:34):
Another time, ruby, I'll haveyou come back on the channel and
let's talk about that.
But what you've shared hereabout air purification
technology is fantastic.
So anything else you want tolet anybody know about before I
let you go.
Robia Turner (28:45):
Very much look forward to the alkaline hydrogen
water that's a big buzzwordright now in the health industry
and we've been doing that since2012.
So we'd love to have thatconversation.
And, michael, I just want tosay how much we appreciate what
Crawl Space, your business, yourfamily, has done.
We're very close to each othergeographically and it's been
admirable to see and I haveclients that have used your
(29:08):
services and don't know that weknow each other and rave about
what you've done.
There's no better feeling thanwhen you see peers, friends,
family members like that getbragged about not knowing a
connection, and so you've got anamazing company.
It was an honor to be on yourvideo today and if anybody ever
contacts us, even if you're notinterested in purchasing but
have indoor air qualityquestions or purifier questions,
(29:28):
like Michael said, we lovehelping people, we love shaking
hands and meeting new people.
So thanks, michael.
Michael Church (29:33):
Oh yeah, Thank you.
I appreciate that.
That plug for us too.
And anyway, I'm Michael Church,here with Ravia Turner and we
hope you make it a happy andblessed day and we'll see you
next time.
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