Are you or you kids relying on cannabis to unwind, sleep, or deal with anxiety?
You’re not alone—and you’re not broken—but you might be self-medicating in a way that’s backfiring.
In this episode you’ll discover:
- How cannabis quietly shifts from a tool to a trap—and the signs you’re missing.
- The difference between social and chronic use and why it matters for your anxiety.
- Why modeling healthy coping skills is crucial if you’re parenting in the cannabis era.
✨ If you're ready to feel more present, focused, and emotionally grounded—without numbing out—this episode is your reset button.
👉 Listen now to rethink your relationship with cannabis and reclaim your calm.
Huberman Lab Podcast – Episode 92: "The Effects of Cannabis (Marijuana) on the Brain & Body" (October 3, 2022)
🔗 Watch on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXvuJu1kt48
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About the Host:
MJ Murray Vachon LCSW is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with more than 48,000 hours of therapy sessions and 31 years of experience teaching her Mental Wellness curriculum, Inner Challenge. Four years ago she overcame her fear of technology to create a podcast that integrated her vast clinical experience and practical wisdom of cultivating mental wellness using the latest information from neuroscience. MJ was Social Worker of the Year in 2011 for Region 2/IN.
Creating Midlife Calm is a podcast designed to guide you through the challenges of midlife, tackling issues like anxiety, low self-esteem, feeling unworthy, procrastination, and isolation, while offering strategies for improving relationships, family support, emotional wellbeing, mental wellness, and parenting, with a focus on mindfulness, stress management, coping skills, and personal growth to stop rumination, overthinking, and increase confidence through self-care, emotional healing, and mental health support.
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M.J. Murray Vachon LCSW (00:00):
In this episode, you'll discover how
cannabis might be contributingto anxiety, whether it's your
own or your child's.
Welcome to Creating MidlifeCalm, a podcast dedicated to
empowering midlife minds toovercome anxiety, stop feeling
like crap and become morepresent with your family, all
while achieving greater successat work.
(00:21):
I'm MJ Murray Vachon, a licensedclinical social worker with over
48, 000 hours of therapysessions and 31 years of
experience teaching mentalwellness.
Welcome to the podcast.
Today we're diving intocannabis, whether you call it
cannabis, weed, or pot.
As a mental health professional,I can guarantee this is one of
(00:42):
the most confusing topics of ourtime.
In today's episode, you'lldiscover how cannabis use and
midlife has increased and whatthat means for your anxiety and
emotional wellbeing.
You'll also learn the differencebetween social and chronic use,
as well as what the latestscience says about long-term
effects.
Lastly, how to evaluate your ownuse as well as your child use
(01:06):
with clarity, curiosity, andcompassion.
If you've been wondering whethercannabis is still helping or
just another habit, this episodeis for you.
Before we get into it, let'scheck on Monday's Inner
Challenge about alcohol andmidlife.
If you haven't listened toepisode 1 56 yet, I invite you
(01:26):
to do so.
How'd it go this week?
As you stepped into your poweraround alcohol, were you
surprised at how much you wereactually drinking?
Or did you try refraining to seeif alcohol is what's waking you
up at 2:00 AM Whatever you did,you're doing the midlife update.
Today, we're keeping thatmomentum going by turning the
lens towards cannabis use yoursor maybe your child's.
(01:50):
Obviously, I'm not talking aboutuse that has been prescribed by
a doctor, but social andrecreational use where you find
yourself asking the question, isthis really helping or has this
become a habit?
There's no topic in my officethat creates more confusion than
cannabis.
Let me share a story.
Back in December, 2019,Michigan, just four miles from
(02:13):
the school where I taught mymental wellness program, inner
Challenge, began sellingcannabis legally.
I noticed the eighth graderswere buzzing about it, no pun
intended.
So I decided to give them a popquiz.
Why did Michigan legalizecannabis?
A, because it's safe.
B, for economic reasons, C formedical use only.
(02:35):
As soon as they got the quiz,they looked up at me and asked
the most obvious question.
Mj, what's cannabis?
Need I say more?
After explaining to them it wasweed or pot, they diligently
took the test.
Nobody got it right.
They thought it was legalizedbecause it was safe.
And they weren't alone.
(02:55):
Many adults made the sameassumption and shifted from
alcohol to cannabis thinking itwas a healthier choice.
But here's the truth, it waslegalized for economic reasons,
not because we had robustresearch or public health
education in place.
Fast forward to 2025 and theconfusion has not gone away.
(03:16):
There's so much uncertaintyaround cannabis because the
research is so mixed.
Some studies show it can reduceanxiety or help with sleep in
the short term.
Others show it can increaseanxiety, impair memory, and lead
to dependence over time.
Then there's the other widevariety.
Edibles T-H-C-C-B-D, vapes,drinks, on and on and on, each
(03:41):
with different effects.
While CBD doesn't cause a high,it still interacts with your
brain and quality control acrossproducts is very inconsistent.
Add legalization into the mix,and many people assume daily use
is harmless.
Just because it's legal does notmean it's healthy.
(04:03):
As a therapist, I've seen awhole different side.
The quiet downside that creepsin gradually without much
notice.
Let me share another story.
A midlife mom came to therapyafter a decade of using cannabis
to help her sleep.
She'd always had moderateanxiety and thought switching
from wine to weed was a smartmove.
(04:24):
At first, it really helped, butas life got more stressful and
gummies became easier to get,she noticed she wasn't just
using cannabis to sleep atnight, but she was also using it
a number of days a week to getthrough stressful times.
She also noticed that she had todouble her dose at nighttime in
order to fall asleep.
(04:44):
As I did her assessment, sheshared with me that her
motivation, her zest for life,was lagging compared to where it
was many years before.
Her anxiety also was no longerjust mental.
It had physical symptoms.
She thought she might bedepressed, but at 37, her life
on paper was actually prettygood.
(05:05):
What stood out to me as atherapist who's done this
before.
First, she didn't downplay hercannabis use on her intake form
something most people do.
Her honesty helped us get to theroot of the problem of what was
really going on.
I asked her to listen to theOctober, 2022 episode of the
Huberman Lab, which I'll put inmy show notes, which is on
(05:28):
cannabis.
She came back to the nextsession saying.
Oh my God, I've done this tomyself.
Am I the only one?
I told her, oh no, you are notalone.
Cannabis use amongst people.
45 to 64 has nearly doubled inthe past decade.
Nearly 30% of the people in myclient's age group use it
(05:52):
regularly.
That number jumps even higherfor those managing chronic
stress and anxiety.
Even more eye popping daily ornear daily use has increased by
50% since 2016.
What starts as occasional use isquietly becoming habitual.
(06:13):
And for some, that pattern hasled to cannabis use disorder, a
condition where stopping becomesdifficult, even when cannabis is
no longer helping.
About three in 10 usersexperience this and really
confront the age old myth thatcannabis is not addictive.
Now let's talk about our kids.
(06:34):
Since many of you in midlife areparenting them, who has the
highest use in the country whenit comes to cannabis?
Yep.
Our 18 to 30 year olds, nationalsurveys tell us 41% use
cannabis, 11% use it daily.
In my office.
80% of my clients in that agegroup use cannabis, and they use
(06:57):
it more than two to three timesa week.
The hardest part of working withteens and young adults as a
therapist is this, no matter howmuch I explain the risks to
their developing brains, theydon't believe me.
The culture has been so loud tonot only normalize cannabis, but
to offer it as a healthyalternative and a way to manage
(07:18):
their stress.
What's the difference betweenhealthy social use and use that
might be hurting more than it'shelping?
Social use means cannabis onceor twice a month in relaxed, in
intentional settings.
It doesn't impact your work,memory, mood, or relationships.
Let me say that again becausewhen I ask people what is a
(07:41):
healthy amount that you can usecannabis, the average person
says once a day, what researchhas told us once or twice a
month.
Chronic use is more than twice aweek and is usually done alone
as a way to numb stress,boredom, or irritation.
(08:01):
As I often say in therapy, ifyou need it every night to
unwind, it's not a coping skill,it's an escape.
In the short term, cannabis canhelp sleep, relaxation and mild
anxiety, especially with strainsat balance THC and CBD.
But over time the pictureshifts.
(08:23):
Cannabis affects your brain'sendocannabinoid system.
What's that?
That's the part of your brainthat regulates mood, memory, and
motivation.
Pretty important things forday-to-day living.
Yes.
Cannabis affects it not in apositive, but in a negative way
over time.
(08:44):
Long-term use, especially ofhigh THC strains can increase
anxiety.
It also impairs executivefunction, which in my office has
led to lots of confusingdiagnoses when it comes to adult
A DHD.
It can blunt emotional responseand decrease motivation,
(09:05):
something we call amotivationalsyndrome.
It disrupts rem sleep even inusers who believe it helps
sleep.
Remember my midlife mom, one ofthe interesting things on her
assessment is she said her sleepwas poor, but she also said she
used cannabis nightly to helpher sleep.
(09:25):
In younger users, it's beenlinked to higher risk of
depression.
Is this the message that you'regetting from the culture about
cannabis?
Probably not.
While cannabis may seem lessrisky than alcohol, it still
affects your nervous system,your relationships, and your
emotional presence.
A few years ago, I was workingwith a couple where a wife was
(09:48):
furious with her husband.
He'd come home, help withdinner, get the kids to bed.
And then disappear into thegarage to smoke a joint.
He insisted it helped him relaxseparate from his day, but in
fact he was zoning out and shefelt alone.
If someone you love is tellingyou that your cannabis use isn't
helping you anymore.
(10:09):
Please believe them.
One of the hardest things isthat you remember how good it
felt at the beginning and thenegative effects occur really
slowly and you really can'tclearly see them for yourself.
So what's considered healthyuse?
Occasional intentional, and notemotionally driven.
(10:30):
Low THC and balanced T-H-C-C-B-Dstrains, especially if you're
prone to anxiety.
Just saying all those lettersmakes me feel like it's almost
impossible for someone to managetheir cannabis use in a healthy
way without being a juniorscientist.
Healthy use is not using itdaily or relying on it for
(10:54):
sleep.
It's also taking what we calltolerance breaks, where for two
to four weeks you don't use itat all so you can reset your
system and evaluate how it'simpacting you.
Let me briefly talk aboutparenting in the cannabis era.
If you're a midlife parent whouses cannabis, your kids are
noticing, even if you think theyaren't, trust me.
(11:17):
Many kids in my office say,well, my parents smoke, or my
mom uses gummies.
What's the big deal?
If this episode has youquestioning your own use, great.
Let them in on it.
We do this with food all thetime.
I'm skipping cake tonight'causemy pants are a little tight.
You can do the same withcannabis.
I'm taking a two week break toreset.
(11:38):
I wanna go back to using itoccasionally.
It's kind of snuck up on me.
You may have to retool yoursleep, but that is doable.
Check out, episode 93, my fiveSleep Hacks that can point you
in the right direction of havinggreat sleep hygiene.
A doctor once asked me, Hey, mj,what is going on?
(11:58):
Why are people afraid to takeTylenol pm, but totally fine
using weed at night.
I said, because they know toomuch tylenol harms the liver and
they think pot is like kale.
For the sake of your kids, let'smodel something better.
Science backed honesty, becausewe don't want our young people
(12:19):
using cannabis regularly.
It impacts their braindevelopment, increases anxiety
and depression, and robs them ofthe chance to build real life
coping skills.
In my opinion, a big part of theyouth mental health crisis is
actually an overuse of cannabiscrisis that we're not talking
about honestly enough.
(12:40):
What if your kid doesn't believeyou?
Trust me, most of my youngclients don't believe me, but I
stay in the boat and I row.
I encourage you to be curiousand ask the million dollar
parenting question.
Help me understand how weed ishelping you.
Then listen, really listen.
(13:01):
Say nothing until you've hadtime to reflect on what they've
said to you.
If the moment feels right, thenor later, talk about other ways
to find help for thosestruggles.
You've planted the seed.
Keep the door open.
In today's episode, you'velearned how cannabis use in
midlife has increased, and whatimpact that has for your anxiety
(13:26):
and emotional wellbeing.
Not so good.
I've also shared with you thedifference between social use
once or twice a month,intentionally and chronic use
more than once a week.
I've also shared what the latestscience says about long-term
effects.
I've encouraged you to evaluateyour own use and your child's
(13:47):
with clarity, curiosity, andcompassion.
In today's world, we'reconstantly sold the idea that we
need something, wine, weed, or apill to survive daily life.
But the truth is.
You already have the innerresources to get through hard
things without numbing out.
(14:08):
That's one of the reasons I'm socommitted to showing up and
creating this podcast for you.
So you have solid science-backedcoping skills to feel better at
work home in your relationships,and most of all inside your
body.
If this episode has helped you,I'd love it if you'd follow the
podcast on your favorite app,apple, Spotify, or wherever you
(14:31):
listen.
Thanks for listening.
I'll be back on Monday with morecreating midlife calm.
In this episode, you'll discover how
cannabis might be contributingto anxiety, whether it's your
own or your child's.
Welcome to Creating MidlifeCalm, a podcast dedicated to
empowering midlife minds toovercome anxiety, stop feeling
like crap and become morepresent with your family, all
while achieving greater successat work.
(00:21):
I'm MJ Murray Vachon, a licensedclinical social worker with over
48, 000 hours of therapysessions and 31 years of
experience teaching mentalwellness.
Welcome to the podcast.
Today we're diving intocannabis, whether you call it
cannabis, weed, or pot.
As a mental health professional,I can guarantee this is one of
(00:42):
the most confusing topics of ourtime.
In today's episode, you'lldiscover how cannabis use and
midlife has increased and whatthat means for your anxiety and
emotional wellbeing.
You'll also learn the differencebetween social and chronic use,
as well as what the latestscience says about long-term
effects.
Lastly, how to evaluate your ownuse as well as your child use
(01:06):
with clarity, curiosity, andcompassion.
If you've been wondering whethercannabis is still helping or
just another habit, this episodeis for you.
Before we get into it, let'scheck on Monday's Inner
Challenge about alcohol andmidlife.
If you haven't listened toepisode 1 56 yet, I invite you
(01:26):
to do so.
How'd it go this week?
As you stepped into your poweraround alcohol, were you
surprised at how much you wereactually drinking?
Or did you try refraining to seeif alcohol is what's waking you
up at 2:00 AM Whatever you did,you're doing the midlife update.
Today, we're keeping thatmomentum going by turning the
lens towards cannabis use yoursor maybe your child's.
(01:50):
Obviously, I'm not talking aboutuse that has been prescribed by
a doctor, but social andrecreational use where you find
yourself asking the question, isthis really helping or has this
become a habit?
There's no topic in my officethat creates more confusion than
cannabis.
Let me share a story.
Back in December, 2019,Michigan, just four miles from
(02:13):
the school where I taught mymental wellness program, inner
Challenge, began sellingcannabis legally.
I noticed the eighth graderswere buzzing about it, no pun
intended.
So I decided to give them a popquiz.
Why did Michigan legalizecannabis?
A, because it's safe.
B, for economic reasons, C formedical use only.
(02:35):
As soon as they got the quiz,they looked up at me and asked
the most obvious question.
Mj, what's cannabis?
Need I say more?
After explaining to them it wasweed or pot, they diligently
took the test.
Nobody got it right.
They thought it was legalizedbecause it was safe.
And they weren't alone.
(02:55):
Many adults made the sameassumption and shifted from
alcohol to cannabis thinking itwas a healthier choice.
But here's the truth, it waslegalized for economic reasons,
not because we had robustresearch or public health
education in place.
Fast forward to 2025 and theconfusion has not gone away.
(03:16):
There's so much uncertaintyaround cannabis because the
research is so mixed.
Some studies show it can reduceanxiety or help with sleep in
the short term.
Others show it can increaseanxiety, impair memory, and lead
to dependence over time.
Then there's the other widevariety.
Edibles T-H-C-C-B-D, vapes,drinks, on and on and on, each
(03:41):
with different effects.
While CBD doesn't cause a high,it still interacts with your
brain and quality control acrossproducts is very inconsistent.
Add legalization into the mix,and many people assume daily use
is harmless.
Just because it's legal does notmean it's healthy.
(04:03):
As a therapist, I've seen awhole different side.
The quiet downside that creepsin gradually without much
notice.
Let me share another story.
A midlife mom came to therapyafter a decade of using cannabis
to help her sleep.
She'd always had moderateanxiety and thought switching
from wine to weed was a smartmove.
(04:24):
At first, it really helped, butas life got more stressful and
gummies became easier to get,she noticed she wasn't just
using cannabis to sleep atnight, but she was also using it
a number of days a week to getthrough stressful times.
She also noticed that she had todouble her dose at nighttime in
order to fall asleep.
(04:44):
As I did her assessment, sheshared with me that her
motivation, her zest for life,was lagging compared to where it
was many years before.
Her anxiety also was no longerjust mental.
It had physical symptoms.
She thought she might bedepressed, but at 37, her life
on paper was actually prettygood.
(05:05):
What stood out to me as atherapist who's done this
before.
First, she didn't downplay hercannabis use on her intake form
something most people do.
Her honesty helped us get to theroot of the problem of what was
really going on.
I asked her to listen to theOctober, 2022 episode of the
Huberman Lab, which I'll put inmy show notes, which is on
(05:28):
cannabis.
She came back to the nextsession saying.
Oh my God, I've done this tomyself.
Am I the only one?
I told her, oh no, you are notalone.
Cannabis use amongst people.
45 to 64 has nearly doubled inthe past decade.
Nearly 30% of the people in myclient's age group use it
(05:52):
regularly.
That number jumps even higherfor those managing chronic
stress and anxiety.
Even more eye popping daily ornear daily use has increased by
50% since 2016.
What starts as occasional use isquietly becoming habitual.
(06:13):
And for some, that pattern hasled to cannabis use disorder, a
condition where stopping becomesdifficult, even when cannabis is
no longer helping.
About three in 10 usersexperience this and really
confront the age old myth thatcannabis is not addictive.
Now let's talk about our kids.
(06:34):
Since many of you in midlife areparenting them, who has the
highest use in the country whenit comes to cannabis?
Yep.
Our 18 to 30 year olds, nationalsurveys tell us 41% use
cannabis, 11% use it daily.
In my office.
80% of my clients in that agegroup use cannabis, and they use
(06:57):
it more than two to three timesa week.
The hardest part of working withteens and young adults as a
therapist is this, no matter howmuch I explain the risks to
their developing brains, theydon't believe me.
The culture has been so loud tonot only normalize cannabis, but
to offer it as a healthyalternative and a way to manage
(07:18):
their stress.
What's the difference betweenhealthy social use and use that
might be hurting more than it'shelping?
Social use means cannabis onceor twice a month in relaxed, in
intentional settings.
It doesn't impact your work,memory, mood, or relationships.
Let me say that again becausewhen I ask people what is a
(07:41):
healthy amount that you can usecannabis, the average person
says once a day, what researchhas told us once or twice a
month.
Chronic use is more than twice aweek and is usually done alone
as a way to numb stress,boredom, or irritation.
(08:01):
As I often say in therapy, ifyou need it every night to
unwind, it's not a coping skill,it's an escape.
In the short term, cannabis canhelp sleep, relaxation and mild
anxiety, especially with strainsat balance THC and CBD.
But over time the pictureshifts.
(08:23):
Cannabis affects your brain'sendocannabinoid system.
What's that?
That's the part of your brainthat regulates mood, memory, and
motivation.
Pretty important things forday-to-day living.
Yes.
Cannabis affects it not in apositive, but in a negative way
over time.
(08:44):
Long-term use, especially ofhigh THC strains can increase
anxiety.
It also impairs executivefunction, which in my office has
led to lots of confusingdiagnoses when it comes to adult
A DHD.
It can blunt emotional responseand decrease motivation,
(09:05):
something we call amotivationalsyndrome.
It disrupts rem sleep even inusers who believe it helps
sleep.
Remember my midlife mom, one ofthe interesting things on her
assessment is she said her sleepwas poor, but she also said she
used cannabis nightly to helpher sleep.
(09:25):
In younger users, it's beenlinked to higher risk of
depression.
Is this the message that you'regetting from the culture about
cannabis?
Probably not.
While cannabis may seem lessrisky than alcohol, it still
affects your nervous system,your relationships, and your
emotional presence.
A few years ago, I was workingwith a couple where a wife was
(09:48):
furious with her husband.
He'd come home, help withdinner, get the kids to bed.
And then disappear into thegarage to smoke a joint.
He insisted it helped him relaxseparate from his day, but in
fact he was zoning out and shefelt alone.
If someone you love is tellingyou that your cannabis use isn't
helping you anymore.
(10:09):
Please believe them.
One of the hardest things isthat you remember how good it
felt at the beginning and thenegative effects occur really
slowly and you really can'tclearly see them for yourself.
So what's considered healthyuse?
Occasional intentional, and notemotionally driven.
(10:30):
Low THC and balanced T-H-C-C-B-Dstrains, especially if you're
prone to anxiety.
Just saying all those lettersmakes me feel like it's almost
impossible for someone to managetheir cannabis use in a healthy
way without being a juniorscientist.
Healthy use is not using itdaily or relying on it for
(10:54):
sleep.
It's also taking what we calltolerance breaks, where for two
to four weeks you don't use itat all so you can reset your
system and evaluate how it'simpacting you.
Let me briefly talk aboutparenting in the cannabis era.
If you're a midlife parent whouses cannabis, your kids are
noticing, even if you think theyaren't, trust me.
(11:17):
Many kids in my office say,well, my parents smoke, or my
mom uses gummies.
What's the big deal?
If this episode has youquestioning your own use, great.
Let them in on it.
We do this with food all thetime.
I'm skipping cake tonight'causemy pants are a little tight.
You can do the same withcannabis.
I'm taking a two week break toreset.
(11:38):
I wanna go back to using itoccasionally.
It's kind of snuck up on me.
You may have to retool yoursleep, but that is doable.
Check out, episode 93, my fiveSleep Hacks that can point you
in the right direction of havinggreat sleep hygiene.
A doctor once asked me, Hey, mj,what is going on?
(11:58):
Why are people afraid to takeTylenol pm, but totally fine
using weed at night.
I said, because they know toomuch tylenol harms the liver and
they think pot is like kale.
For the sake of your kids, let'smodel something better.
Science backed honesty, becausewe don't want our young people
(12:19):
using cannabis regularly.
It impacts their braindevelopment, increases anxiety
and depression, and robs them ofthe chance to build real life
coping skills.
In my opinion, a big part of theyouth mental health crisis is
actually an overuse of cannabiscrisis that we're not talking
about honestly enough.
(12:40):
What if your kid doesn't believeyou?
Trust me, most of my youngclients don't believe me, but I
stay in the boat and I row.
I encourage you to be curiousand ask the million dollar
parenting question.
Help me understand how weed ishelping you.
Then listen, really listen.
(13:01):
Say nothing until you've hadtime to reflect on what they've
said to you.
If the moment feels right, thenor later, talk about other ways
to find help for thosestruggles.
You've planted the seed.
Keep the door open.
In today's episode, you'velearned how cannabis use in
midlife has increased, and whatimpact that has for your anxiety
(13:26):
and emotional wellbeing.
Not so good.
I've also shared with you thedifference between social use
once or twice a month,intentionally and chronic use
more than once a week.
I've also shared what the latestscience says about long-term
effects.
I've encouraged you to evaluateyour own use and your child's
(13:47):
with clarity, curiosity, andcompassion.
In today's world, we'reconstantly sold the idea that we
need something, wine, weed, or apill to survive daily life.
But the truth is.
You already have the innerresources to get through hard
things without numbing out.
(14:08):
That's one of the reasons I'm socommitted to showing up and
creating this podcast for you.
So you have solid science-backedcoping skills to feel better at
work home in your relationships,and most of all inside your
body.
If this episode has helped you,I'd love it if you'd follow the
podcast on your favorite app,apple, Spotify, or wherever you
(14:31):
listen.
Thanks for listening.
I'll be back on Monday with morecreating midlife calm.
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