August 7, 2025 • 39 mins
As a multi-passionate-creative I experience regular identity crises that lead me to question what to focus on in each season that I’m in.
If you’ve ever felt the same, you’re going to love this juicy convo I had with TIHANE - Sound Alchemist and Story Architect - who has taken the multipotentialite career and life to it’s depths and its peaks working in many roles, including creative director, recording and performing artist, brand strategist and mentor to other creatives.
We chat about how she does it all with success. THANE shares:
How the thread that creates cohesion amongst our diverse skillsets within a successful brand strategy is… our story (and what to do with it).
How to clarify the sense of purpose driving our choices throughout different seasons of life, which makes it easier to communicate WHO WE ARE within our brand identity and client work.
How evolving her relationship to FEAR has lead to more profound success and opportunity as an artist and multi passionate entrepreneur.
The myth of ‘alignment’ and how to identify what you’re next best move is through 2 surprising clear clues.
What working with 8-figure entrepreneurs taught her about authenticity in business.
And so much more…! You’re going to LOVE this episode - grab a journal to grab insights and get stuck in.
TIHANE is a Sound Alchemist and Story Architect—an internationally recognized artist, creative director, and speaker who fuses soul, sound, and strategy to awaken the deep memory of who we are.
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Sarah Mac (00:12):
What's up, this is Sarah Mac, and welcome to
Creative Magic Club.
Together, we'll discoverinspirational stories of
creative entrepreneurs livingout their dreams, doing the work
they are most passionate aboutand building wealth in magical
and fun ways, while building asix-figure income as a writer
and coach, helping other womento launch their dream businesses
.
I've connected with so manyincredible people and seen it
(00:34):
proven again and again that youcan thrive financially doing
whatever it is you arepassionate about.
I am here to sharelife-changing strategies for
mindset, making money andreaching more people with your
work in a business and lifefilled with creativity are
passionate about.
I'm here to share life-changingstrategies for mindset, making
money and reaching more peoplewith your work in a business and
life filled with creativity,freedom and fun.
Hi, everyone, welcome.
(00:59):
I'm so excited to introduce myguest today.
We have with us Tihani, who is asound alchemist, a story
architect and an internationallyrecognized artist, creative
director and speaker who fusessoul, sound and strategy to
awaken the deep memory of who weare.
Born of Polynesian and Croatianroots and raised between Hawaii
, california and a lifetime ofglobal travel, tihani brings
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ancestral insight and nomadicdepth into everything she
touches.
As a musician, hergenre-defying sound, indigenous
Soul blends vintage R&B, tribalrhythm and electronic textures,
and she's performed on globalstages.
Behind the scenes, tihani is asought-after creative director
and brand strategist, having ledlaunches and campaigns for
projects in partnership withplatforms like Vogue Italia, red
(01:44):
Bull, new York Fashion Week,coaching clients and everything
from arts and entertainment towellness industries, to real
estate companies and non-profitorganizations.
She's spoken on global stages,including TEDx, yale University
and more, guiding artists,leaders and communities into
deeper clarity, creativesovereignty and full spectrum
resonance.
(02:05):
Hi t honey, thank you so muchfor joining us.
Absolutely such a pleasure tojoin you, yeah, so excited.
So we connected recently at anevent that I was on the panel
for and uh t honey just ran upto me at the end and was like we
need to make boonie to befriends she literally, like,
literally, ran into the middleof the group photo because I had
to leave and I was was like no,I'm sorry, I have to exchange
(02:26):
contact with her.
TIHANE (02:28):
I love what you said on that panel and I just really I
overuse the word resonance, butI really did feel that resonance
with you immediately.
Sarah Mac (02:37):
I love that.
I'm so here for that, and she'sso amazing and I can't wait for
you to find out more about her.
So, as we dive into all of themillions of incredible talents
and amazing things that you do,let's start off with your story
like how, how did you get towhere you are today?
TIHANE (02:53):
yeah, that's such a cool and probably winding question
for so many people too, right?
I think the easiest way to sayit is that I grew up like from
the womb.
Um, in Polynesian culture, asas soon as you get out, they
like make you dance and sing.
So that was always in me.
It was my way of processingreality.
Storytelling was really my wayof understanding the world.
(03:13):
And then I was also in all ofthe dance conservatories and all
of that and I was really on thetheater track, thinking that I
was just going to be a stageperformer my whole life.
And then, when I got to my dreamstage school in New York City,
I really started diving moreinto music.
And then I ended up travelingin a series of fateful events to
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Europe and France, and then Iended up in Kenya and then I was
doing a lot more behind thescenes.
So I gradually went from justdoing music to like producing
bigger music events, and then Istarted getting really excited
about how do we capture this?
Oh, how do we capture content?
Oh, how do we edit the video?
How do we put that forward?
And so gradually, one thingjust led to another and I became
(03:56):
something I didn't have a title, for I didn't know what it was.
I just felt like, oh, I do allthe things.
And this really seasoned, older, mature creative director one
day said you're a creativedirector.
And I was like, what's that?
And she was like look it up.
And I felt so seen and so awareall of a sudden like, oh,
that's what I'm doing.
And so essentially, I reallyhave one of those life paths
(04:19):
where I was really really drivenand focused on one thing, but
then I sort of ended up fallinginto other things along the way
and then really ended upcombining all of them.
So, as a creative director, Ireally worked with like my bio
says everything from wellnessindustries to real estate
companies, to arts andentertainment, to fashion.
And then I started noticingsomething really interesting
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which was happening, which wasall of my clients were needing
more than just creative strategywork.
So I could come on forsomeone's launch or someone's
campaign, but we started doingdeeper work.
It was like, oh, what are theblocks that are holding you back
, or what is the thing thatdisrupts your consistency, and
what is it really that you mightbe scared of that you're, you
(05:01):
know, creating a barrier tosuccess about?
And so I realized oh, I'm notjust creative directing these
campaigns or launches anymore,I'm actually also coaching these
people in a different creativeand really energetic way, and so
now the work that I do isreally combining both of those
and, ironically, somehow Ialways end up also singing.
(05:22):
So I'll end up like bringing ona client who's like I'm doing a
book launch, so I'm creativelycoaching her and I'm
strategizing her book launch,but then she'll be like can you
also sing at my book launch?
So somehow my work is reallyit's art centered, it's
entrepreneurially driven,because I love business and I
love how much entrepreneurialismallows our art to reach people
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and really become aself-sustaining source.
But it's also very deeplysoulful, energetic work that I
just like to also call magic.
Sarah Mac (05:54):
Yes, it's magic.
That's what we're about here onthe Grades of Magic Club
podcast.
So I love this and I love howyou really are successful and
thriving at being like anextreme multi hyphenate and I
know that.
TIHANE (06:09):
That's the path.
Sarah Mac (06:10):
Yeah, it's an.
It's a path that I know so manyof us really struggle with,
particularly when it comes totrying to, you know, communicate
all of the magic that we bringand trying to identify well, who
is my ideal client.
And, you know, like creating aclient attraction system and
being able to put your wholenessinto a brand that other people
(06:35):
can then understand and thenalso promote for you and be like
, oh, you know, you know, helpto identify who you can help and
to connect you with thosepeople that you can help.
So it seems like you knowyou've said a lot of it kind of
unfolded very naturally theseadditional layers to your
creativity.
But can you speak a little bitto?
(06:57):
Did you ever feel challenged bytrying to put yourself in a box
or trying to communicate whatit is that you do, or trying to
fit all of what it is that youdo into a package or communicate
to clients?
Did you ever struggle with that?
And if you didn't, why do youthink you are so successful at
bringing all of you?
TIHANE (07:18):
I struggled with it, I think yesterday, this morning, I
think it's a continual.
Now it feels less like astruggle, but it is always, I
think, a theme, Like I really,when I work with people, I
really believe that this ideathat like our healing journey is
over and then it's done, itdoesn't, that, doesn't resonate
for me.
I believe that we have themesthat are like lifelong themes,
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that are always going to be ourteachers and they unfold and
they get easier with timebecause we get more depth at
them, but I think they're alwaysthere.
So for me, what you just talkedabout, all of that, is like a
theme.
I think, even in intimatepersonal relationships, you know
, there's an incredibleexperience of learning.
There's only going to be somuch of me that is truly grasped
(08:02):
and seen and that's part of themagic.
It's just like magic itself,like there's only so much of me
that is truly grasped and seenand that's part of the magic.
It's just like magic itself,like there's only so much of it
that we'll ever understand.
But, to answer your questionfrom like a strategic focus, I
think the reason why I callmyself a story architect with
people is I go back to that rootof in my Polynesian heritage,
storytelling being the core ofeverything, and I think that
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that is the magic tool andingredient for anyone who is a
multi-passionate or verymulti-dimensional person is like
really getting so honed in onlike what is your story?
What is the story?
I call it like the story youwere born to tell.
Like.
You might have a lot of storiesI have so many, I could go on
so many different podcasts butthis kind of story is like the
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story I'm born to tell and Ithink that's the really
fascinating, fun edge and spacethat people can play in is like
oh, okay, there might be a lotof different stories.
I love it's the story of likethis kind of person or the story
of this kind of person.
But when I'm really honest andI tune into like, what's the one
?
That's like the full body.
Yes, the it lights me up.
(09:06):
Like that's just me, it's who Iam Like, I'm just here to be
that person.
It also usually contains alittle bit of like fear in it
and probably has a little bit oflike.
But I can't be that like, can'tbe that one, that one, no,
that's probably the one.
So I would say that you knowstorytelling and then
strategically storytellingmarketing.
(09:26):
Thankfully, we're in this reallybeautiful era where people
really do want to know anotherperson's story.
So my life really changed whenI started doing for myself what
I was doing for other people.
I was so good at getting intosomebody else's story and being
really excited about it andhelping them to position that
story and make that story becommunicated across their social
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media and their live events andtheir you know, their, their
entire brand.
But I wasn't doing that formyself, and so when I really
took time to say, like, what ismy story?
What is the story of what Iwant people to walk away from?
There might be all of thesethings that I bring, but how do
I want them to feel when theyleave the room or leave the
conversation?
And I think that's a really funplace for people like us to let
(10:12):
it be a joy rather thansomething that can often feel
like such a burden and a triggeryeah, that's such a good answer
and I think there are so manyclues, like you said, in our
roots.
Sarah Mac (10:23):
You know, like, what are those threads that you can
see have been there from thebeginning, like I was, I've been
having this conversation withclients recently.
When we reflect on, you know,sometimes, when we have those
big moments or those big turningpoints where we're like I'm
going to do what I want to do,you know, and you feel like it's
a breakthrough, or you chooseto step into something, or
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you've done a lot of work or alot of reflection, or you've had
one of those light bulb moments.
Some of the first things thatwe create, even though they
might be, you know, verydifferent and our work may have
evolved a lot, there's usually aseed or a kernel of that
original thread, and so we can,you know, pick up clues from
really examining our life storyand those turning points.
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And at the same time, I thinkand I see this with a lot of my
clients I'm super similar tolike we go through chapters
where it's like, oh, I wasreally into dance and then I was
really into theater and then Igot really into film and then I
got really into writing and I'mlike really into music.
I'm like really into music andthere's different chapters that
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can bring like an additionalangle or skill.
That kind of comes online.
And I'll have these momentswith clients where we're like oh
we, why are we not talkingabout this part of your
experience or this part of yourgenius, and how can we integrate
that into what you're alreadydoing?
And those can be other momentswhere it kind of clicks and
you're like oh, I feel, you know, like this is me really like
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leading with my gifts and mereally leading with the value
that I'm capable, the full valuethat I'm capable of offering
clients.
And it can feel it can feelreally good to do that and at
the same time, yeah, it can alljust feel really overwhelming
because you're like well,there's a million different
things I can do.
So I think it is so important tobe doing that internal work and
really fostering thatconnection with ourselves and
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our creativity, to be driven byour intuition and to be driven
by our joy, because if we, Ithink a lot of one thing that I
see keeps a lot of people hungup is I could do all the things,
and all of the things couldhelp, really help other people,
um, but I always like tochallenge that and tell people
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that there's like, there's thatreally nutrient, dense layer of
cream at the top.
You know it's like, but what isthat sweet spot where you love
it more than anything else?
It comes super easily for you.
You're really gifted at it andit's extremely valuable for
other people to receive from you, and I think that's our work is
to get to that, and often wedon't get that clarity until
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we're actually out there helpingpeople and serving clients and
you know, and our skills andgifts are continually evolving.
So, yeah, I'm curious, likewhat are your words of wisdom
for other multi-passionateentrepreneurs in development who
are trying to find their thingand trying to feel some cohesion
and the way that they'rerepresenting themselves in their
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brand?
TIHANE (13:20):
yeah, you said so many good things.
I think one thing I'll sharewhich really helped me during a
really challenging time in mylife was I heard I turned on
like NPR or something and it wasjust the tail end of a
conversation and someone justsaid clarity is the byproduct of
action, not analysis.
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And I was like that was for me.
I don't know why, but that wasfor me and it took me many years
to understand the nuance aswell to that piece of wisdom,
which is I'm an Aries.
So I'm like, as an Aries woman,I'm like oh, action, no problem
, let me do all the things.
It's like no, no, no, clarityisn't the byproduct of doing all
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the actions that you couldpossibly do.
Clarity is the byproduct ofreally tuning into like, what do
I feel, like are the actionsteps I'm being guided to try?
Without judging them.
That's a huge piece of wisdom Iwould give someone.
Don't judge the pings orintuitive hits that you get when
you're asking these kinds ofquestions like what should I do
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next?
What is the truest, mostaligned thing for me to do?
What is the most authenticexpression that I could do next?
And then we'll get an answerand then we're like oh, no, that
can't, that must mean nothing.
It's like we literally justpicked up the call and we're
like hello, no, you must bereaching the wrong person.
You know and I think that's ahuge piece of wisdom that I
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would give anyone is like allowyour belief to be a little bit
suspended.
If you're really in this workand you're asking the true
questions like how can I be myfullest, most authentic self,
you will get guided to action,steps that might not make sense
at first, but as you do them, asa by-product of that action,
you will get more and more andmore clarity.
(15:06):
And when you start to get moreand more and more clarity about
that, I think that coming backto a lot of what you said, and
what you just said as well isit's not necessarily that you're
going to say, oh, I'm a dancer,ta-da, it's easy.
Like I 'll lovingly tell you.
I don't think that's the pathfor a lot of us.
It's not like we get onevocational label and then we're
(15:27):
like, oh, thank God, it's done.
It's rather, you'll get acertain kind of clarity that
transcends every kind ofvocational path you'll take.
So you'll say, oh, vocationalpath you'll take.
So you'll say, oh, my purposeis this, it's this thing,
whatever this feels like in mylife, and sometimes I'm going to
do that through dance,sometimes I'm going to do that
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through business, sometimes I'mgoing to do that through dance
as my business.
So you know what I mean.
Like all these different thingsthat you pick up along the way,
you might do that same purposeas a mother.
You might do that same purposeas a public speaker.
So my biggest pieces of wisdomand reflection would be really
go on that journey of findingthat clarity for yourself.
That's so much deeper than whatwe're taught.
(16:11):
When we think about purpose, wethink about purpose from a very
masculine.
What are the things that Ishould do in order to feel like
I've had impact and done thingsbefore I die?
Feminine perspective of purposewhether you're a man or a woman
doesn't matter, it's notgendered.
But feminine perspective ofpurpose is like what are the
things that I'm called to do forto feel fulfilled before I die?
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And so you get to put thosethings together, like the
masculine and the feminine inyou.
But most of us are so heavilyfocused on what's the things I'm
supposed to do that we missthat really beautiful
accompanying, mirroring piecethat's like and okay, what are
the things that I can do thatalso make me feel a sense of
like, greater calling andfulfillment, and that's the
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clarity.
Cool, that has nothing to dowith, like, my method.
I call that just your method.
It's your how, that's just howyou tell the story, but that's
not the story.
You know, the story might betold as a poem or a song or a
short story or a feature film,but the story is the thing that
runs all the way through.
So that would be my.
My invitation is to go on thatjourney, because it's so much
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juicier than anything else thatwe've been sort of conditioned
to hunt for that's so good.
Sarah Mac (17:24):
I've never, I've never heard this concept of like
the masculine, feminineunderstanding of purpose.
That is genius.
I also loved what you saidabout um, yeah, I love what you
said.
Around here are signs when youknow that it's worth pursuing is
if your brain is like, oh no,that's not gonna work.
That idea, that's not for me.
(17:44):
Sign number one.
Number two is fear, becausefear shows you that you care.
If you don't care aboutsomething, then you wouldn't
have that fear, you wouldn'thave that like attachment to it.
Um, that's so brilliant.
And I think also, yeah,remembering that sometimes we're
, our soul, is drawing us tosomething because there's a
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lesson in it, there's growth forus in that.
That's gonna set us up forwhatever it is that comes after
that and I think, yeah, we're soconditioned into this way of
thinking that's like I need tofind the thing.
It's like, oh, I get theclarity, end of sentence.
You know I have thebreakthrough and now it's done.
Now I know that this is whatI'm going to be forevermore,
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like this is who I am now orthis is going to be the thing.
I think also in the businessworld, there's this kind of
false understanding of alignmentwhere it's like when you're in
alignment.
I mean, this was a conversationa few years ago, I don't know
whether it's so much anymore,but it's like when you're in
alignment, then it works.
So I feel like there was thiskind of craving and this
searching for what's inalignment and people just get
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hung up on really like the small, insignificant things like oh,
it's the name of my offer orit's like the platform that I'm
promoting it on.
That's not in alignment for meand just like constantly trying
to, like bringing thatperfectionistic attitude to it
versus recognizing.
Yeah, like what am I feelingcalled to take on?
What are the lessons?
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You know?
What is the growth that's thengoing to equip me and just bring
me more skills?
I think one of the mostempowering conversations for me
and for clients is seeingeverything through the lens of
skills.
You know it's like if you feellike you can't create what it is
that you want, you have to goon the journey to build the
skill to become the person tocreate what you want.
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You know, and you have to bewilling to be in that
uncomfortable place of suckingat things or like not knowing
and having to seek out support,of having to do that soul
searching and finding your ownanswers and just doing it, you
know, just like being in thearena and building the muscle,
doing the reps.
You know being in the practice,because the only way we get to
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be something else is throughpracticing being something or
somebody else, and it's yeah,it's the process and the doing
of that that brings us thefulfillment.
And that's something that I'vebeen thinking about recently
because, yeah, I've been doing.
I feel like I've been doing whatI'm doing right now for quite a
long time and I'm really likesettled into it.
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And you know, I just publishedmy book and so I went through
this.
You know the birth of, like,probably the biggest project I
had taken on, and being in thatuncomfortable in between space
of what's next and not reallyhaving my teeth sunk into
anything yet.
And, yeah, and I've just beenasking myself, like, when I get
to the end of my life, what willI have regretted not doing?
(20:43):
You know, and I think that'sjust a great question to ask
ourselves and also to ask, well,what is the most joyful way for
me to get there?
And I think that these are thehardest questions for us to
answer when we are entrepreneurs, when we have our own business,
when we are our own boss,because we can choose anything.
So, like, whatever choice wemake, that's on us, and if we're
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not having fun, that's on us.
You know, like we get to choosesomething different.
So I'm so curious, like howyeah, how do you navigate in
between chapters, in betweenprojects and you know choosing a
different direction and knowingwhen it's time for a different
direction?
Like, and you know choosing adifferent direction and knowing
when it's time for a differentdirection.
TIHANE (21:24):
Like, how has that played out for you?
Yeah, you always say so manygood things and I'm like, oh, we
could have 75 conversationswith all the things, don't worry
.
I feel like we've alreadydecided there will be workshops
and like things will people willbe able to attend longer times
with us, because I feel likethere's many, many things that
we can open, many portals we canopen together.
But I think something that youjust said and then the question
(21:45):
that you just asked me really gotogether, which is when you
touched on fear and when youtalk about fear and then you
also talk about, you know,navigating these, if you want to
call them like in-betweens ortransitions or just.
I've really started to believethat my entire life is that,
that I'm.
I believe some of us are meantto live quite transient, not in
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meaning not stable.
You know, like I'm.
I'm more stable now than I'veever been in my life.
I came from like gypsy artist,you know to like through the
passageway of entrepreneur andbeing a very anchored rooted
person, but I still think thatit is my lifeline and we talk a
lot about astrology, but sothere's like a lot of just
(22:32):
there's a lot of planets in mychart that have made it clear to
me like you will always bedeath and rebirthing.
So as soon as something is like, oh, this is clear and easy and
sure, then it's like next turn,you know.
So I think that in navigatingthat, whether one person just
has one big transition in theirlife or a few that come every
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big season, or you're someonelike me who feels like, wow,
that's me.
My life is constantly, alwayssnow globing and turning over, I
would say that creating arelationship with fear is
everything, and I'm a dancer, soI'm very, very grateful that
understanding fear as a somaticexperience and having a somatic
(23:15):
relationship with fear has beentransformational.
I recommend it for everybody.
Whether or not you are someonewho dances as like, I love it,
ecstatic dance, I love it as ahobby, I love it as a workout,
or just I love it when my friendplays good music and I go,
whatever.
There is something about havinga physiological relationship to
fear.
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That, I believe, is one of thehugest tools that any
entrepreneur can have,especially a soul led
entrepreneur, because if you'rea soul led entrepreneur, you're
not just going to be looking forthe next framework that's easy
to plug and play.
You're kind of creating theframework as you go, because
you're a really unique imprintof a person and so if you're
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already feeling a normal amountof human fear because, let's say
, like your vocation is changingor your relationship is
changing or your livingsituation is changing, and then
you have another layer of fearon top of it because you are
also like pioneering somethingor like receiving a calling to
create something that doesn'texist, or you're breaking a
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generational cycle, you reallywant to have a way of
transmuting fear in your body ona day-to-day basis.
So navigating fear, I think,has been and continues to be one
of the biggest parts of thatfor me as an artist, as an
entrepreneur, as a human being.
And the one thing I'll say tothat is, as I've navigated fear
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more and more with myself andwith clients, it's really like
looking into fear, like what isfear, and understanding that
fear is is a language untoitself, like fear is the
language of the body, and sowhat we say is fear is really
actually just like receiving atransmission signal, like a
(25:02):
Google Translate transmissionsignal where, like, the
translation isn't clear yet, andso it's like, if you use
ChatGBT, you know, and it's likesearching the web and you have
like that scanning.
It's scanning like that's fear.
And I think that we are in areally ripe place to
revolutionize how we perceivefear, our mindset around fear
(25:22):
that if we can start to takefear as a language, like you
said, as a sign, as a cue, oh,okay, fear is happening.
First things first, just on avery practical level, what do I
need in order to respond to thefear?
Do I need to be somewhere safer?
Do I need to stop doing whatI'm doing?
Do I need to drink water?
Do I need to be somewhere safer?
Do I need to stop doing whatI'm doing?
Do I need to drink water?
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Do I need to do four count,breath, exercise, whatever it is
?
And then, once you're at thatfirst level okay, I've
understood, fear is here, I'mconnecting to fear Then it
becomes what could possibly bethis, what?
What's the signal about?
Like, what's the transitionabout?
And I think one thing that I'llgive from my therapist, even
just very recently, especiallyto really smart people, really
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multi-hyphenate people, reallyspiritual women, is sometimes we
think that in order tounderstand and translate the
fear, we need to intellectuallyunderstand it, and so we'll
spend so much time being likeokay, why is this fear here?
Is it because this man isn'tgood for me?
Is it because this job isn'tright?
Is it because I should be doingsomething?
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And all of that is justultimately a very long detour to
getting to the place where it'slike your body is the one who
knows how to translate the fear.
So the sooner that you can getthe fear into your body and
moving through your body, thenyou will actually be able to
translate that fear and get thesignal, the sign, the guidance,
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whatever it is, but it comesfrom this more embodied place.
Oh, I know what I need to donext.
Oh, I know who I need to stoptalking to.
Oh, I know what my next move is.
So I think that's a huge thingthat I would say to people is
like, if you notice you have atendency to either over
intellectualize your fear to tryto understand it, or if you
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just kind of get overwhelmed andfreak out and then shut down,
which I've done all of them.
I would encourage anyone tolike can there be a new
relationship for you with fear,where you're like okay, I'm
going to do like a shadow dancewith this fear so that when the
fear comes up, I know oh, we'redancing together, you're not
against me.
I might still feel scared, butwhat does that mean?
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I need to be in the dancestudio, I need to take a bath, I
need to whatever.
And that sounds so silly andsubtle from a certain
perspective, but that in and ofitself, I think, has saved me
financially, emotionally,physically so many times in my
life as someone who is anentrepreneur and like creating
my own way in the world.
Sarah Mac (27:52):
This is such a huge conversation and thank you for
bringing this because,particularly for women, too, and
those of us that have had tonavigate a lot of trauma and
like PTSD and I can't rememberwhere I heard this, but I heard
someone naming specifically howwomen will often interpret, um,
(28:15):
yeah, like a fear or a threat,as a lack of safety, because
often that was our experience,right, like, yeah, you know, for
me, having gone through healinglike childhood sexual trauma
and you know, my body's bodysurvival mechanism was literally
to detach from that and to beso up in my head, completely
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like shut off from the neck down, until it became time for me to
process all of that, to processthat somatic intensity and to
be able to be with that.
And it was really my journey asan entrepreneur in healing my
relationship with money thattriggered that, because, you
know, money is so intricatelyconnected to security this is
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what I write about in my bookand I had to go through that
process of sitting with a highlevel of somatic discomfort
anytime I had anything to dowith money, because I'd, you
know, I'd kind of made thatconnection between lack of
safety, lack of physical safetyand lack of financial safety.
(29:18):
So just to speak to that, thatthat can be a process and I
think what you're saying is sogolden about really reflect,
first of all, that, like wedon't need to intellectualize it
and that's often just a copingmechanism that we've developed
that actually isn't working forus in certain ways.
And, yeah, to find I know likedoing somatic experiencing
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therapy really helped me inbeing able to, you know, have a
guide to sit with emotionalintensity and to be able to take
that kind of tantric view thatlike, oh, at the same time as I
feel this like anger and thissorrow and this heaviness and
these, you know, likeoverpowering heavy emotions, I
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also feel like the pleasure ofthe softness of the clothes on
my skin and I also feel like theyou know joy from like the wind
on my cheek, and I also feellike the you know joy from like
the wind on my cheek and like wecan experience all of those
things and we can have thatconnection to our somatic
experience.
And, yeah, fear is, it's one ofthe things that our body
experiences.
And so, knowing like, what aresome tools, what are some things
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that I can reach for, or someprocesses or some rituals or
habits that I engage inregularly to get out of that
intellectual mind and to reallybe feeling my way through.
I think that's such a powerfulpiece of insight that you've
just shared, so thank you somuch for that.
TIHANE (30:43):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I just want to say one morething too that I think is such a
good full circle to, to pull onwhat you said around alignment,
you know, and that sort ofbeing that buzz of like
alignment being this again,semblance of safety where we
don't have to be scanning forfear or being threatened by fear
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, and I think that what you justdescribed in that very you know
, like the tantric, somaticbeauty of being able to feel
like grief and joy and pleasureand sorrow, because it's
presence ultimately, like yourfeet right, like this life does
include, right, if you tune intothe present moment, right now,
there is so much to be sorrowfuland so joyful about, and so
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that's what you're feeling inthat moment and I think that is
so much more powerful than whatwe call alignment, which is
usually associated with justlike I'm just feeling all the
good feelings and everything isgood and there is no stress in
my life, and I know people thatare eight figure entrepreneurs
who are actually living dynamic,rich, wholesome, healthy,
(31:59):
wealthy lives, and sometimesthey go through a whole season
of life where they're like thisis really hard and like I'm
going through a lot of stuff inmy marriage and my physical
health is challenging and like,but they're still prospering and
making money and whatever,because they're being authentic
to their experience in thepresent more than they're trying
to create this like picture ofalignment.
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And I think that is somethingthat really I hope we talk about
more now, because that is themagic for me of like, and that's
why I overuse the wordresonance, because I think
resonance is so much morepowerful than alignment, because
resonance is like what is yourtrue resonance?
Like when we hear someone'svoice and it might have cracks
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in it and it's like an imperfectvoice, but we're like, oh, you
resonated through my body.
And then we can hear someonewho has like a perfectly trained
, very aligned right, likevocally aligned voice, but like
not feeling an emotionalreaction to it at all.
I think that resonance, if thatcan be a theme and a thread in
what we're wanting to achieve inour lives and our business, is
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actually so much more fruitfulfor us than trying to create
some like static space ofalignment where we're just again
chasing after perfectionism.
Sarah Mac (33:15):
Oh, so good.
I could continue thisconversation for seven months,
but I feel like this is a goodplace to wrap it up.
So can you tell everyone, foreveryone who's interested in
learning about you and your work, where can they find you?
What have you got going on atthe moment?
TIHANE (33:31):
Yes, very much, so my general social media happy place
is Instagram.
I think there's so many otherwonderful places online.
I managed to just get myself tobe on Instagram, so if you're
an Instagrammer, you'll find methere.
It's Tihani T-I-H-A-N-E andthen you'll see some underscores
.
It'll be the first one thatpops up.
(33:56):
Please message me.
I feel so grateful for so manyof the people that I've gotten
to meet from podcasts like thisand online.
Just, I have actual lifelongfriendships and sisterhoods and
stuff like that off of peoplewho actually just reach out, so
please feel free.
I also have a website if youwant to go to unleashyourmanacom
, slash tihani and you'll findmore info there about more of
the creative strategy andworkshop work that I do, and on
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June 27th I have my first albumcoming out.
So, again, if you follow me onInstagram, you'll see all the
things, but I think that whatI'll say about it is it's for
all of these multi passionate,those who love too much, those
who have spent so much of ourlives in the I'm too much, I'm
not enough kind of journey ofreally seeking.
(34:43):
Should I shove myself into onegenre?
Should I just be this kind ofperson?
Should I do this in order tobelong and really continue to
come again and again and againback to this, knowing that we
have inside of ourselves likeit's my destiny and it's my
journey to be who I am.
It's never going to work for meany other way.
So I might as well just fullydevote myself to really
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exploring all the multidimensional realities of of who
I am and lean into that andsurround myself with other
people who are also on thatjourney.
So the album is for those thatlove eclectic music.
It has many different stylesand it has a lot of grooves so
you can dance out that fear.
And a lot of lyrics to justshare for anybody who needs that
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catharsis of feeling like youare in such a challenging time
on the planet right now.
But also there's this spark andthis glimmer inside of you of
like but it's also the mostexciting and wonderful time to
be alive.
So that comes out on June 27thand it's called the War on Love
oh, good title, congratulations.
Sarah Mac (35:45):
I'm so excited.
I can't wait to listen to itand thank you so much for coming
and sharing all of thesenuggets of wisdom.
And, yeah, everyone, please golook her up, hunt her down and,
um, yeah, connect and shareanything that came up for you
from this conversation.
We would love to hear about it.
Send us a dm.
So thank you so much for beinghere.
Please share this episode withanyone you know who would love
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What's up, this is Sarah Mac, and welcome to
Creative Magic Club.
Together, we'll discoverinspirational stories of
creative entrepreneurs livingout their dreams, doing the work
they are most passionate aboutand building wealth in magical
and fun ways, while building asix-figure income as a writer
and coach, helping other womento launch their dream businesses
.
I've connected with so manyincredible people and seen it
(00:34):
proven again and again that youcan thrive financially doing
whatever it is you arepassionate about.
I am here to sharelife-changing strategies for
mindset, making money andreaching more people with your
work in a business and lifefilled with creativity are
passionate about.
I'm here to share life-changingstrategies for mindset, making
money and reaching more peoplewith your work in a business and
life filled with creativity,freedom and fun.
Hi, everyone, welcome.
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I'm so excited to introduce myguest today.
We have with us Tihani, who is asound alchemist, a story
architect and an internationallyrecognized artist, creative
director and speaker who fusessoul, sound and strategy to
awaken the deep memory of who weare.
Born of Polynesian and Croatianroots and raised between Hawaii
, california and a lifetime ofglobal travel, tihani brings
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ancestral insight and nomadicdepth into everything she
touches.
As a musician, hergenre-defying sound, indigenous
Soul blends vintage R&B, tribalrhythm and electronic textures,
and she's performed on globalstages.
Behind the scenes, tihani is asought-after creative director
and brand strategist, having ledlaunches and campaigns for
projects in partnership withplatforms like Vogue Italia, red
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Bull, new York Fashion Week,coaching clients and everything
from arts and entertainment towellness industries, to real
estate companies and non-profitorganizations.
She's spoken on global stages,including TEDx, yale University
and more, guiding artists,leaders and communities into
deeper clarity, creativesovereignty and full spectrum
resonance.
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Hi t honey, thank you so muchfor joining us.
Absolutely such a pleasure tojoin you, yeah, so excited.
So we connected recently at anevent that I was on the panel
for and uh t honey just ran upto me at the end and was like we
need to make boonie to befriends she literally, like,
literally, ran into the middleof the group photo because I had
to leave and I was was like no,I'm sorry, I have to exchange
(02:26):
contact with her.
TIHANE (02:28):
I love what you said on that panel and I just really I
overuse the word resonance, butI really did feel that resonance
with you immediately.
Sarah Mac (02:37):
I love that.
I'm so here for that, and she'sso amazing and I can't wait for
you to find out more about her.
So, as we dive into all of themillions of incredible talents
and amazing things that you do,let's start off with your story
like how, how did you get towhere you are today?
TIHANE (02:53):
yeah, that's such a cool and probably winding question
for so many people too, right?
I think the easiest way to sayit is that I grew up like from
the womb.
Um, in Polynesian culture, asas soon as you get out, they
like make you dance and sing.
So that was always in me.
It was my way of processingreality.
Storytelling was really my wayof understanding the world.
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And then I was also in all ofthe dance conservatories and all
of that and I was really on thetheater track, thinking that I
was just going to be a stageperformer my whole life.
And then, when I got to my dreamstage school in New York City,
I really started diving moreinto music.
And then I ended up travelingin a series of fateful events to
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Europe and France, and then Iended up in Kenya and then I was
doing a lot more behind thescenes.
So I gradually went from justdoing music to like producing
bigger music events, and then Istarted getting really excited
about how do we capture this?
Oh, how do we capture content?
Oh, how do we edit the video?
How do we put that forward?
And so gradually, one thingjust led to another and I became
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something I didn't have a title, for I didn't know what it was.
I just felt like, oh, I do allthe things.
And this really seasoned, older, mature creative director one
day said you're a creativedirector.
And I was like, what's that?
And she was like look it up.
And I felt so seen and so awareall of a sudden like, oh,
that's what I'm doing.
And so essentially, I reallyhave one of those life paths
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where I was really really drivenand focused on one thing, but
then I sort of ended up fallinginto other things along the way
and then really ended upcombining all of them.
So, as a creative director, Ireally worked with like my bio
says everything from wellnessindustries to real estate
companies, to arts andentertainment, to fashion.
And then I started noticingsomething really interesting
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which was happening, which wasall of my clients were needing
more than just creative strategywork.
So I could come on forsomeone's launch or someone's
campaign, but we started doingdeeper work.
It was like, oh, what are theblocks that are holding you back
, or what is the thing thatdisrupts your consistency, and
what is it really that you mightbe scared of that you're, you
(05:01):
know, creating a barrier tosuccess about?
And so I realized oh, I'm notjust creative directing these
campaigns or launches anymore,I'm actually also coaching these
people in a different creativeand really energetic way, and so
now the work that I do isreally combining both of those
and, ironically, somehow Ialways end up also singing.
(05:22):
So I'll end up like bringing ona client who's like I'm doing a
book launch, so I'm creativelycoaching her and I'm
strategizing her book launch,but then she'll be like can you
also sing at my book launch?
So somehow my work is reallyit's art centered, it's
entrepreneurially driven,because I love business and I
love how much entrepreneurialismallows our art to reach people
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and really become aself-sustaining source.
But it's also very deeplysoulful, energetic work that I
just like to also call magic.
Sarah Mac (05:54):
Yes, it's magic.
That's what we're about here onthe Grades of Magic Club
podcast.
So I love this and I love howyou really are successful and
thriving at being like anextreme multi hyphenate and I
know that.
TIHANE (06:09):
That's the path.
Sarah Mac (06:10):
Yeah, it's an.
It's a path that I know so manyof us really struggle with,
particularly when it comes totrying to, you know, communicate
all of the magic that we bringand trying to identify well, who
is my ideal client.
And, you know, like creating aclient attraction system and
being able to put your wholenessinto a brand that other people
(06:35):
can then understand and thenalso promote for you and be like
, oh, you know, you know, helpto identify who you can help and
to connect you with thosepeople that you can help.
So it seems like you knowyou've said a lot of it kind of
unfolded very naturally theseadditional layers to your
creativity.
But can you speak a little bitto?
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Did you ever feel challenged bytrying to put yourself in a box
or trying to communicate whatit is that you do, or trying to
fit all of what it is that youdo into a package or communicate
to clients?
Did you ever struggle with that?
And if you didn't, why do youthink you are so successful at
bringing all of you?
TIHANE (07:18):
I struggled with it, I think yesterday, this morning, I
think it's a continual.
Now it feels less like astruggle, but it is always, I
think, a theme, Like I really,when I work with people, I
really believe that this ideathat like our healing journey is
over and then it's done, itdoesn't, that, doesn't resonate
for me.
I believe that we have themesthat are like lifelong themes,
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that are always going to be ourteachers and they unfold and
they get easier with timebecause we get more depth at
them, but I think they're alwaysthere.
So for me, what you just talkedabout, all of that, is like a
theme.
I think, even in intimatepersonal relationships, you know
, there's an incredibleexperience of learning.
There's only going to be somuch of me that is truly grasped
(08:02):
and seen and that's part of themagic.
It's just like magic itself,like there's only so much of me
that is truly grasped and seenand that's part of the magic.
It's just like magic itself,like there's only so much of it
that we'll ever understand.
But, to answer your questionfrom like a strategic focus, I
think the reason why I callmyself a story architect with
people is I go back to that rootof in my Polynesian heritage,
storytelling being the core ofeverything, and I think that
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that is the magic tool andingredient for anyone who is a
multi-passionate or verymulti-dimensional person is like
really getting so honed in onlike what is your story?
What is the story?
I call it like the story youwere born to tell.
Like.
You might have a lot of storiesI have so many, I could go on
so many different podcasts butthis kind of story is like the
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story I'm born to tell and Ithink that's the really
fascinating, fun edge and spacethat people can play in is like
oh, okay, there might be a lotof different stories.
I love it's the story of likethis kind of person or the story
of this kind of person.
But when I'm really honest andI tune into like, what's the one
?
That's like the full body.
Yes, the it lights me up.
(09:06):
Like that's just me, it's who Iam Like, I'm just here to be
that person.
It also usually contains alittle bit of like fear in it
and probably has a little bit oflike.
But I can't be that like, can'tbe that one, that one, no,
that's probably the one.
So I would say that you knowstorytelling and then
strategically storytellingmarketing.
(09:26):
Thankfully, we're in this reallybeautiful era where people
really do want to know anotherperson's story.
So my life really changed whenI started doing for myself what
I was doing for other people.
I was so good at getting intosomebody else's story and being
really excited about it andhelping them to position that
story and make that story becommunicated across their social
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media and their live events andtheir you know, their, their
entire brand.
But I wasn't doing that formyself, and so when I really
took time to say, like, what ismy story?
What is the story of what Iwant people to walk away from?
There might be all of thesethings that I bring, but how do
I want them to feel when theyleave the room or leave the
conversation?
And I think that's a really funplace for people like us to let
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it be a joy rather thansomething that can often feel
like such a burden and a triggeryeah, that's such a good answer
and I think there are so manyclues, like you said, in our
roots.
Sarah Mac (10:23):
You know, like, what are those threads that you can
see have been there from thebeginning, like I was, I've been
having this conversation withclients recently.
When we reflect on, you know,sometimes, when we have those
big moments or those big turningpoints where we're like I'm
going to do what I want to do,you know, and you feel like it's
a breakthrough, or you chooseto step into something, or
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you've done a lot of work or alot of reflection, or you've had
one of those light bulb moments.
Some of the first things thatwe create, even though they
might be, you know, verydifferent and our work may have
evolved a lot, there's usually aseed or a kernel of that
original thread, and so we can,you know, pick up clues from
really examining our life storyand those turning points.
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And at the same time, I thinkand I see this with a lot of my
clients I'm super similar tolike we go through chapters
where it's like, oh, I wasreally into dance and then I was
really into theater and then Igot really into film and then I
got really into writing and I'mlike really into music.
I'm like really into music andthere's different chapters that
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can bring like an additionalangle or skill.
That kind of comes online.
And I'll have these momentswith clients where we're like oh
we, why are we not talkingabout this part of your
experience or this part of yourgenius, and how can we integrate
that into what you're alreadydoing?
And those can be other momentswhere it kind of clicks and
you're like oh, I feel, you know, like this is me really like
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leading with my gifts and mereally leading with the value
that I'm capable, the full valuethat I'm capable of offering
clients.
And it can feel it can feelreally good to do that and at
the same time, yeah, it can alljust feel really overwhelming
because you're like well,there's a million different
things I can do.
So I think it is so important tobe doing that internal work and
really fostering thatconnection with ourselves and
(12:14):
our creativity, to be driven byour intuition and to be driven
by our joy, because if we, Ithink a lot of one thing that I
see keeps a lot of people hungup is I could do all the things,
and all of the things couldhelp, really help other people,
um, but I always like tochallenge that and tell people
(12:34):
that there's like, there's thatreally nutrient, dense layer of
cream at the top.
You know it's like, but what isthat sweet spot where you love
it more than anything else?
It comes super easily for you.
You're really gifted at it andit's extremely valuable for
other people to receive from you, and I think that's our work is
to get to that, and often wedon't get that clarity until
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we're actually out there helpingpeople and serving clients and
you know, and our skills andgifts are continually evolving.
So, yeah, I'm curious, likewhat are your words of wisdom
for other multi-passionateentrepreneurs in development who
are trying to find their thingand trying to feel some cohesion
and the way that they'rerepresenting themselves in their
(13:19):
brand?
TIHANE (13:20):
yeah, you said so many good things.
I think one thing I'll sharewhich really helped me during a
really challenging time in mylife was I heard I turned on
like NPR or something and it wasjust the tail end of a
conversation and someone justsaid clarity is the byproduct of
action, not analysis.
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And I was like that was for me.
I don't know why, but that wasfor me and it took me many years
to understand the nuance aswell to that piece of wisdom,
which is I'm an Aries.
So I'm like, as an Aries woman,I'm like oh, action, no problem
, let me do all the things.
It's like no, no, no, clarityisn't the byproduct of doing all
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the actions that you couldpossibly do.
Clarity is the byproduct ofreally tuning into like, what do
I feel, like are the actionsteps I'm being guided to try?
Without judging them.
That's a huge piece of wisdom Iwould give someone.
Don't judge the pings orintuitive hits that you get when
you're asking these kinds ofquestions like what should I do
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next?
What is the truest, mostaligned thing for me to do?
What is the most authenticexpression that I could do next?
And then we'll get an answerand then we're like oh, no, that
can't, that must mean nothing.
It's like we literally justpicked up the call and we're
like hello, no, you must bereaching the wrong person.
You know and I think that's ahuge piece of wisdom that I
(14:45):
would give anyone is like allowyour belief to be a little bit
suspended.
If you're really in this workand you're asking the true
questions like how can I be myfullest, most authentic self,
you will get guided to action,steps that might not make sense
at first, but as you do them, asa by-product of that action,
you will get more and more andmore clarity.
(15:06):
And when you start to get moreand more and more clarity about
that, I think that coming backto a lot of what you said, and
what you just said as well isit's not necessarily that you're
going to say, oh, I'm a dancer,ta-da, it's easy.
Like I 'll lovingly tell you.
I don't think that's the pathfor a lot of us.
It's not like we get onevocational label and then we're
(15:27):
like, oh, thank God, it's done.
It's rather, you'll get acertain kind of clarity that
transcends every kind ofvocational path you'll take.
So you'll say, oh, vocationalpath you'll take.
So you'll say, oh, my purposeis this, it's this thing,
whatever this feels like in mylife, and sometimes I'm going to
do that through dance,sometimes I'm going to do that
(15:48):
through business, sometimes I'mgoing to do that through dance
as my business.
So you know what I mean.
Like all these different thingsthat you pick up along the way,
you might do that same purposeas a mother.
You might do that same purposeas a public speaker.
So my biggest pieces of wisdomand reflection would be really
go on that journey of findingthat clarity for yourself.
That's so much deeper than whatwe're taught.
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When we think about purpose, wethink about purpose from a very
masculine.
What are the things that Ishould do in order to feel like
I've had impact and done thingsbefore I die?
Feminine perspective of purposewhether you're a man or a woman
doesn't matter, it's notgendered.
But feminine perspective ofpurpose is like what are the
things that I'm called to do forto feel fulfilled before I die?
(16:31):
And so you get to put thosethings together, like the
masculine and the feminine inyou.
But most of us are so heavilyfocused on what's the things I'm
supposed to do that we missthat really beautiful
accompanying, mirroring piecethat's like and okay, what are
the things that I can do thatalso make me feel a sense of
like, greater calling andfulfillment, and that's the
(16:54):
clarity.
Cool, that has nothing to dowith, like, my method.
I call that just your method.
It's your how, that's just howyou tell the story, but that's
not the story.
You know, the story might betold as a poem or a song or a
short story or a feature film,but the story is the thing that
runs all the way through.
So that would be my.
My invitation is to go on thatjourney, because it's so much
(17:18):
juicier than anything else thatwe've been sort of conditioned
to hunt for that's so good.
Sarah Mac (17:24):
I've never, I've never heard this concept of like
the masculine, feminineunderstanding of purpose.
That is genius.
I also loved what you saidabout um, yeah, I love what you
said.
Around here are signs when youknow that it's worth pursuing is
if your brain is like, oh no,that's not gonna work.
That idea, that's not for me.
(17:44):
Sign number one.
Number two is fear, becausefear shows you that you care.
If you don't care aboutsomething, then you wouldn't
have that fear, you wouldn'thave that like attachment to it.
Um, that's so brilliant.
And I think also, yeah,remembering that sometimes we're
, our soul, is drawing us tosomething because there's a
(18:08):
lesson in it, there's growth forus in that.
That's gonna set us up forwhatever it is that comes after
that and I think, yeah, we're soconditioned into this way of
thinking that's like I need tofind the thing.
It's like, oh, I get theclarity, end of sentence.
You know I have thebreakthrough and now it's done.
Now I know that this is whatI'm going to be forevermore,
(18:31):
like this is who I am now orthis is going to be the thing.
I think also in the businessworld, there's this kind of
false understanding of alignmentwhere it's like when you're in
alignment.
I mean, this was a conversationa few years ago, I don't know
whether it's so much anymore,but it's like when you're in
alignment, then it works.
So I feel like there was thiskind of craving and this
searching for what's inalignment and people just get
(18:54):
hung up on really like the small, insignificant things like oh,
it's the name of my offer orit's like the platform that I'm
promoting it on.
That's not in alignment for meand just like constantly trying
to, like bringing thatperfectionistic attitude to it
versus recognizing.
Yeah, like what am I feelingcalled to take on?
What are the lessons?
(19:14):
You know?
What is the growth that's thengoing to equip me and just bring
me more skills?
I think one of the mostempowering conversations for me
and for clients is seeingeverything through the lens of
skills.
You know it's like if you feellike you can't create what it is
that you want, you have to goon the journey to build the
skill to become the person tocreate what you want.
(19:36):
You know, and you have to bewilling to be in that
uncomfortable place of suckingat things or like not knowing
and having to seek out support,of having to do that soul
searching and finding your ownanswers and just doing it, you
know, just like being in thearena and building the muscle,
doing the reps.
You know being in the practice,because the only way we get to
(19:57):
be something else is throughpracticing being something or
somebody else, and it's yeah,it's the process and the doing
of that that brings us thefulfillment.
And that's something that I'vebeen thinking about recently
because, yeah, I've been doing.
I feel like I've been doing whatI'm doing right now for quite a
long time and I'm really likesettled into it.
(20:20):
And you know, I just publishedmy book and so I went through
this.
You know the birth of, like,probably the biggest project I
had taken on, and being in thatuncomfortable in between space
of what's next and not reallyhaving my teeth sunk into
anything yet.
And, yeah, and I've just beenasking myself, like, when I get
to the end of my life, what willI have regretted not doing?
(20:43):
You know, and I think that'sjust a great question to ask
ourselves and also to ask, well,what is the most joyful way for
me to get there?
And I think that these are thehardest questions for us to
answer when we are entrepreneurs, when we have our own business,
when we are our own boss,because we can choose anything.
So, like, whatever choice wemake, that's on us, and if we're
(21:04):
not having fun, that's on us.
You know, like we get to choosesomething different.
So I'm so curious, like howyeah, how do you navigate in
between chapters, in betweenprojects and you know choosing a
different direction and knowingwhen it's time for a different
direction?
Like, and you know choosing adifferent direction and knowing
when it's time for a differentdirection.
TIHANE (21:24):
Like, how has that played out for you?
Yeah, you always say so manygood things and I'm like, oh, we
could have 75 conversationswith all the things, don't worry
.
I feel like we've alreadydecided there will be workshops
and like things will people willbe able to attend longer times
with us, because I feel likethere's many, many things that
we can open, many portals we canopen together.
But I think something that youjust said and then the question
(21:45):
that you just asked me really gotogether, which is when you
touched on fear and when youtalk about fear and then you
also talk about, you know,navigating these, if you want to
call them like in-betweens ortransitions or just.
I've really started to believethat my entire life is that,
that I'm.
I believe some of us are meantto live quite transient, not in
(22:09):
meaning not stable.
You know, like I'm.
I'm more stable now than I'veever been in my life.
I came from like gypsy artist,you know to like through the
passageway of entrepreneur andbeing a very anchored rooted
person, but I still think thatit is my lifeline and we talk a
lot about astrology, but sothere's like a lot of just
(22:32):
there's a lot of planets in mychart that have made it clear to
me like you will always bedeath and rebirthing.
So as soon as something is like, oh, this is clear and easy and
sure, then it's like next turn,you know.
So I think that in navigatingthat, whether one person just
has one big transition in theirlife or a few that come every
(22:55):
big season, or you're someonelike me who feels like, wow,
that's me.
My life is constantly, alwayssnow globing and turning over, I
would say that creating arelationship with fear is
everything, and I'm a dancer, soI'm very, very grateful that
understanding fear as a somaticexperience and having a somatic
(23:15):
relationship with fear has beentransformational.
I recommend it for everybody.
Whether or not you are someonewho dances as like, I love it,
ecstatic dance, I love it as ahobby, I love it as a workout,
or just I love it when my friendplays good music and I go,
whatever.
There is something about havinga physiological relationship to
fear.
(23:35):
That, I believe, is one of thehugest tools that any
entrepreneur can have,especially a soul led
entrepreneur, because if you'rea soul led entrepreneur, you're
not just going to be looking forthe next framework that's easy
to plug and play.
You're kind of creating theframework as you go, because
you're a really unique imprintof a person and so if you're
(23:57):
already feeling a normal amountof human fear because, let's say
, like your vocation is changingor your relationship is
changing or your livingsituation is changing, and then
you have another layer of fearon top of it because you are
also like pioneering somethingor like receiving a calling to
create something that doesn'texist, or you're breaking a
(24:18):
generational cycle, you reallywant to have a way of
transmuting fear in your body ona day-to-day basis.
So navigating fear, I think,has been and continues to be one
of the biggest parts of thatfor me as an artist, as an
entrepreneur, as a human being.
And the one thing I'll say tothat is, as I've navigated fear
(24:41):
more and more with myself andwith clients, it's really like
looking into fear, like what isfear, and understanding that
fear is is a language untoitself, like fear is the
language of the body, and sowhat we say is fear is really
actually just like receiving atransmission signal, like a
(25:02):
Google Translate transmissionsignal where, like, the
translation isn't clear yet, andso it's like, if you use
ChatGBT, you know, and it's likesearching the web and you have
like that scanning.
It's scanning like that's fear.
And I think that we are in areally ripe place to
revolutionize how we perceivefear, our mindset around fear
(25:22):
that if we can start to takefear as a language, like you
said, as a sign, as a cue, oh,okay, fear is happening.
First things first, just on avery practical level, what do I
need in order to respond to thefear?
Do I need to be somewhere safer?
Do I need to stop doing whatI'm doing?
Do I need to drink water?
Do I need to be somewhere safer?
Do I need to stop doing whatI'm doing?
Do I need to drink water?
(25:42):
Do I need to do four count,breath, exercise, whatever it is
?
And then, once you're at thatfirst level okay, I've
understood, fear is here, I'mconnecting to fear Then it
becomes what could possibly bethis, what?
What's the signal about?
Like, what's the transitionabout?
And I think one thing that I'llgive from my therapist, even
just very recently, especiallyto really smart people, really
(26:06):
multi-hyphenate people, reallyspiritual women, is sometimes we
think that in order tounderstand and translate the
fear, we need to intellectuallyunderstand it, and so we'll
spend so much time being likeokay, why is this fear here?
Is it because this man isn'tgood for me?
Is it because this job isn'tright?
Is it because I should be doingsomething?
(26:26):
And all of that is justultimately a very long detour to
getting to the place where it'slike your body is the one who
knows how to translate the fear.
So the sooner that you can getthe fear into your body and
moving through your body, thenyou will actually be able to
translate that fear and get thesignal, the sign, the guidance,
(26:48):
whatever it is, but it comesfrom this more embodied place.
Oh, I know what I need to donext.
Oh, I know who I need to stoptalking to.
Oh, I know what my next move is.
So I think that's a huge thingthat I would say to people is
like, if you notice you have atendency to either over
intellectualize your fear to tryto understand it, or if you
(27:08):
just kind of get overwhelmed andfreak out and then shut down,
which I've done all of them.
I would encourage anyone tolike can there be a new
relationship for you with fear,where you're like okay, I'm
going to do like a shadow dancewith this fear so that when the
fear comes up, I know oh, we'redancing together, you're not
against me.
I might still feel scared, butwhat does that mean?
(27:30):
I need to be in the dancestudio, I need to take a bath, I
need to whatever.
And that sounds so silly andsubtle from a certain
perspective, but that in and ofitself, I think, has saved me
financially, emotionally,physically so many times in my
life as someone who is anentrepreneur and like creating
my own way in the world.
Sarah Mac (27:52):
This is such a huge conversation and thank you for
bringing this because,particularly for women, too, and
those of us that have had tonavigate a lot of trauma and
like PTSD and I can't rememberwhere I heard this, but I heard
someone naming specifically howwomen will often interpret, um,
(28:15):
yeah, like a fear or a threat,as a lack of safety, because
often that was our experience,right, like, yeah, you know, for
me, having gone through healinglike childhood sexual trauma
and you know, my body's bodysurvival mechanism was literally
to detach from that and to beso up in my head, completely
(28:35):
like shut off from the neck down, until it became time for me to
process all of that, to processthat somatic intensity and to
be able to be with that.
And it was really my journey asan entrepreneur in healing my
relationship with money thattriggered that, because, you
know, money is so intricatelyconnected to security this is
(28:57):
what I write about in my bookand I had to go through that
process of sitting with a highlevel of somatic discomfort
anytime I had anything to dowith money, because I'd, you
know, I'd kind of made thatconnection between lack of
safety, lack of physical safetyand lack of financial safety.
(29:18):
So just to speak to that, thatthat can be a process and I
think what you're saying is sogolden about really reflect,
first of all, that, like wedon't need to intellectualize it
and that's often just a copingmechanism that we've developed
that actually isn't working forus in certain ways.
And, yeah, to find I know likedoing somatic experiencing
(29:38):
therapy really helped me inbeing able to, you know, have a
guide to sit with emotionalintensity and to be able to take
that kind of tantric view thatlike, oh, at the same time as I
feel this like anger and thissorrow and this heaviness and
these, you know, likeoverpowering heavy emotions, I
(29:59):
also feel like the pleasure ofthe softness of the clothes on
my skin and I also feel like theyou know joy from like the wind
on my cheek, and I also feellike the you know joy from like
the wind on my cheek and like wecan experience all of those
things and we can have thatconnection to our somatic
experience.
And, yeah, fear is, it's one ofthe things that our body
experiences.
And so, knowing like, what aresome tools, what are some things
(30:25):
that I can reach for, or someprocesses or some rituals or
habits that I engage inregularly to get out of that
intellectual mind and to reallybe feeling my way through.
I think that's such a powerfulpiece of insight that you've
just shared, so thank you somuch for that.
TIHANE (30:43):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I just want to say one morething too that I think is such a
good full circle to, to pull onwhat you said around alignment,
you know, and that sort ofbeing that buzz of like
alignment being this again,semblance of safety where we
don't have to be scanning forfear or being threatened by fear
(31:13):
, and I think that what you justdescribed in that very you know
, like the tantric, somaticbeauty of being able to feel
like grief and joy and pleasureand sorrow, because it's
presence ultimately, like yourfeet right, like this life does
include, right, if you tune intothe present moment, right now,
there is so much to be sorrowfuland so joyful about, and so
(31:37):
that's what you're feeling inthat moment and I think that is
so much more powerful than whatwe call alignment, which is
usually associated with justlike I'm just feeling all the
good feelings and everything isgood and there is no stress in
my life, and I know people thatare eight figure entrepreneurs
who are actually living dynamic,rich, wholesome, healthy,
(31:59):
wealthy lives, and sometimesthey go through a whole season
of life where they're like thisis really hard and like I'm
going through a lot of stuff inmy marriage and my physical
health is challenging and like,but they're still prospering and
making money and whatever,because they're being authentic
to their experience in thepresent more than they're trying
to create this like picture ofalignment.
(32:22):
And I think that is somethingthat really I hope we talk about
more now, because that is themagic for me of like, and that's
why I overuse the wordresonance, because I think
resonance is so much morepowerful than alignment, because
resonance is like what is yourtrue resonance?
Like when we hear someone'svoice and it might have cracks
(32:43):
in it and it's like an imperfectvoice, but we're like, oh, you
resonated through my body.
And then we can hear someonewho has like a perfectly trained
, very aligned right, likevocally aligned voice, but like
not feeling an emotionalreaction to it at all.
I think that resonance, if thatcan be a theme and a thread in
what we're wanting to achieve inour lives and our business, is
(33:05):
actually so much more fruitfulfor us than trying to create
some like static space ofalignment where we're just again
chasing after perfectionism.
Sarah Mac (33:15):
Oh, so good.
I could continue thisconversation for seven months,
but I feel like this is a goodplace to wrap it up.
So can you tell everyone, foreveryone who's interested in
learning about you and your work, where can they find you?
What have you got going on atthe moment?
TIHANE (33:31):
Yes, very much, so my general social media happy place
is Instagram.
I think there's so many otherwonderful places online.
I managed to just get myself tobe on Instagram, so if you're
an Instagrammer, you'll find methere.
It's Tihani T-I-H-A-N-E andthen you'll see some underscores
.
It'll be the first one thatpops up.
(33:56):
Please message me.
I feel so grateful for so manyof the people that I've gotten
to meet from podcasts like thisand online.
Just, I have actual lifelongfriendships and sisterhoods and
stuff like that off of peoplewho actually just reach out, so
please feel free.
I also have a website if youwant to go to unleashyourmanacom
, slash tihani and you'll findmore info there about more of
the creative strategy andworkshop work that I do, and on
(34:20):
June 27th I have my first albumcoming out.
So, again, if you follow me onInstagram, you'll see all the
things, but I think that whatI'll say about it is it's for
all of these multi passionate,those who love too much, those
who have spent so much of ourlives in the I'm too much, I'm
not enough kind of journey ofreally seeking.
(34:43):
Should I shove myself into onegenre?
Should I just be this kind ofperson?
Should I do this in order tobelong and really continue to
come again and again and againback to this, knowing that we
have inside of ourselves likeit's my destiny and it's my
journey to be who I am.
It's never going to work for meany other way.
So I might as well just fullydevote myself to really
(35:03):
exploring all the multidimensional realities of of who
I am and lean into that andsurround myself with other
people who are also on thatjourney.
So the album is for those thatlove eclectic music.
It has many different stylesand it has a lot of grooves so
you can dance out that fear.
And a lot of lyrics to justshare for anybody who needs that
(35:25):
catharsis of feeling like youare in such a challenging time
on the planet right now.
But also there's this spark andthis glimmer inside of you of
like but it's also the mostexciting and wonderful time to
be alive.
So that comes out on June 27thand it's called the War on Love
oh, good title, congratulations.
Sarah Mac (35:45):
I'm so excited.
I can't wait to listen to itand thank you so much for coming
and sharing all of thesenuggets of wisdom.
And, yeah, everyone, please golook her up, hunt her down and,
um, yeah, connect and shareanything that came up for you
from this conversation.
We would love to hear about it.
Send us a dm.
So thank you so much for beinghere.
Please share this episode withanyone you know who would love
(36:07):
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