#78 Corey Vaughn: Adapting to Challenging Conditions

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Intro (00:02):
Lynn, Welcome to Creative spirits unleashed, where we talk
about the dilemmas of balancingwork and life. And now here's
your host. Lynn Carnes,

Lynn (00:19):
welcome to the creative spirits unleash Podcast. I'm
Lynn Carnes, your host, after abrief hiatus caused by Hurricane
Helene, the podcast is back withguest water skier Corey Vaughn.
You may remember that he and Ispoke this last spring where
Corey was describing his 1000day plan to see just how far he

(00:39):
could take his water ski goals,that is, if he chose to really
go for it. Now in thatconversation, he laid out some
specific goals for this comingseason in 2024 and then promised
to return in the fall, which isnow to review the season. And he
promised to do so regardless ofoutcome. So we are in keeping
with that promise having theconversation here. Now in this

(01:02):
conversation, we reviewed theseason and we dove into some of
the high and low points. Now Iand I don't want to spoil the
outcomes of his goals. We'regoing to talk about that in the
podcast, but I am going to justgive you a couple of things to
say. All right, if you go forit, and how you go for it
matters. He went from 28th atthe beginning of the 2023 season

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to third in the world at the endof the 2024 season. That kind of
change in ranking in the WaterSki World doesn't just happen.
There has to be some intentionbehind it. Now I will say this,
though, if you listen to thisconversation, you're going to
hear that Corey isn't justskiing to gain in the rankings
or even just to win tournaments.
Yes, he has goals, but as hesaid in our conversation in the

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spring, he said, I'm deeplycurious to find that edge,
meaning he wanted to see whathappens if he approaches the
sport with the intention to seehow far he can take it. Another
way of saying it is he's makingthe journey as important as the
outcomes in this conversation,Corey takes us behind the scenes
of several highlights from thisseason, including the

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heartbreaking moment in theMasters qualifier, which
happened right after ourconversation in the spring,
where the handle slipped fromhis grip at the juncture that
would have qualified him forthat tournament. It was the kind
of event I know from my ownexperience anyway, that can get
stuck in your mind and, frankly,poison everything else. But
Corey describes how he walkedhimself out of the

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disappointment so that this, andI'm going to put this in quotes,
mistake, did not poison histhinking for the rest of the
year. He also gives us a windowinto the ingredients that he has
found that have improved hisoutcomes, but also the process
towards achieving those goals.
We devoted a good bit of thisconversation to the subtle

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mindset distinctions that make adifference when operating at the
tip of the spear. In fact, hewas really generous in revealing
what he has found to be theingredients that matter the most
to both improve his performance,but also improve his well being,
which he talks about in thisconversation. So as always, I
hope you enjoy this episode withCorey Vaughn, and if you enjoy

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enjoy this podcast with CoreyVaughn. Corey Vaughn, welcome
back to the creative spiritsunleashed podcast.

Corey (03:32):
Well, I'm so happy to be back for a third time. I feel so
honored.

Lynn (03:38):
I know you might i You may be my only three time guest, but
this one was was set in theclouds back in April when we
recorded before we were just forhistory, we were back at the
beginning of the 2024, water skiseason. We had an really deep

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and meaningful conversationabout life and goals and what
you were setting out to do withyour 1000 day plan, as you
called it back in that podcast.
So April is like, just about tostart. We're getting ready to go
to the Masters qualifiers, andthen the season is going to be
on its way. And the season endedjust a couple of weeks ago, and

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we declared we were going to dothis. So I'm going to have you
describe what you set out to dofor the season, and then what
you actually did, and then we'llpeel back the layers from there.

Corey (04:35):
Yeah, well, I went back and I listened to our last
podcast just to refresh myself,and I'll say, like, I'm glad
that it has aged decently aswell. I feel like both of ours
did, which is good news. And soin that one I basically I laid
out four goals, one of whichdoesn't apply until next year,

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because it's to do with theWorld Championships. And there
was no. Championships this year.
It's only in every other yearsort of thing. So that still
remains for next year. But I hadthree goals for the 2024 season,
and they were lofty. But ofthose, I managed to go two out
of three, which I'm I'm veryhappy about. Would have loved

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three of three, of course, butthey were big ones. And the one
that we, you know, started offwith that you just mentioned, I
was just about to go off and dothis series of qualifying
tournaments for the Masters,because the ski and the Masters
was one of my primary goals. Andthat one was the one that didn't
pan out, and it was by thenarrowest, flimsiest, most

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annoying of margins, like it wasone of those, like I was there
and I saw it like I thought Ihad it in my hands and and
literally, the handle slippedright out of my fingers when it
was right there. I mean, it's amatter of centimeters from from
making that one come true. But,you know, it was the first

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thing. And so to kind of come upjust short, you know, I had some
fear. I was like, Oh man, let'snot have this be the tone of the
season, just like coming in withall this intention and passion.
And you know, I put myself inthe right position, and then it
just didn't quite happen. AndI've had that feeling plenty of

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times before, and I was like,oh, man, come on, not this
again, you know. But as I gotback home and collected myself,
and, you know, try to get someperspective, talk to, you know,
my wife and the people closestto me, my other training
partner, Brad, you know, we tryto frame that as, okay, this is
what happened. It was kind offluky, almost like it seemed

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like it was going to work out,and it didn't. So maybe there's
something in that that needed tohave, that needed to happen so
that the other goals, you know,could could go forward. And, you
know, I just tried to adopt thatmindset. I was trying to give it
some positive framing, because Iguess, what's the other choice,

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you know, to think that it'spoisoned the season at the
outset, that's not going to bodewell. So I tried to adopt that
mindset and just get back towork, get back into the process,
get my attention fixed on whatwas to come. And so that's what
I did. You know, I kind of doveback into things, and I can go
straight into the other two, Iguess. Yeah, which are? So one

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of the goals was to win a protour stop that I thought was
probably the highest hurdle, asfar as being the most difficult.
And, you know, I was back in thetraining was training pretty
well. I went over to Europe withmy wife. Actually, it was our

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first trip away together sincehaving our now three year old.
So it was a long overdue getawayfor the two of us. We went to
Italy together to ski in a ProAm. She skied and I skied, and
we both skied. Well, I came awaywith fourth place, and again,
like kind of on the precipice,like the winning. I had it in me

(08:19):
to win. I felt like I thoughtthings were going a good way,
and when it all shook out, Ifelt like, gosh, that could have
been me, and it was, you know,just came up short, not quite,
not that time, but, you know,then we, we booked a couple of
nights after the tournament justto stay in Italy together, we

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got an Airbnb and just kind ofenjoyed a little bit of vacation
time, which is something thatwe've had sparingly little of in
three years and and that wasjust really nice. You know, we
just got to wake up at our owntime, go have a coffee, walk
around, see the sites, and justtalk all day and really connect

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which, which, I think, you know,one was just incredibly
enjoyable, and to just helpprovide some grounding, as we
were kind of in, this was inJuly, so I kind of had all this
activity in May, almost, youknow, trying to qualify For the
masters. Then the month of Junewas really all training. And
then this was going out and andputting it to the test again. So

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fourth place in Italy. And thenafter our our couple days
together in Italy, she flew hometo come back, get back to work,
get our get be back with our sonand I continued on to England
for the next pro tour stop,which was the final stop of the
European tour. And we had thisvery big transition from the

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hot, sunny weather of Italy toall of a sudden, like a very
cold, overcast, rainy, you know,England. Even the English people
were complaining about what alousy summer it had been, and
the water exactly it was, youknow, we were, I was bundled up
in basically all the I broughtsome clothes for England, and I

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was wearing all of them thewhole time to stay warm. And so
as soon as we myself and otherskiers who came from Italy
started taking practice sets. Itwas pretty eye opening right
away, like we're not in Italyanymore, like it felt very
different. You know, we're usedto adapting, but this was a big

(10:31):
swing, and I kind of had it inmy mind from the first practice
set. I was like, Well, whoeveris going to do well in this
tournament is going to be theone that that can make the
adaptations. Basically, duringthe tournament, we don't have a
lot of time to practice. You'regoing to be adapting pass by
pass, buoy by buoy, almost. Sothat was kind of my mindset

(10:53):
going into it, like, be open,try to be in a learning process
as I'm going through, even thetournament rounds don't feel
like my game is set and I'm justgoing to apply it. It's like
we're going to have to be alittle more open. And not only
that, the finals. The uniquepart about this tournament is
that the finals took place atnight, under the light. So it

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was and of course, in England,in the middle of the summer, it
doesn't get dark until at least10, like, about 10 o'clock at
night. So I made it through theprelims. I skied pretty well. I
was the fourth seed going intothe finals. I think on the night
of the finals, the women took tothe water. It was about 10
o'clock, and it was, you know,just starting to become, you

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know, dark as about the secondor third woman skied. We've kind
of got the full full darkness,and I think the men took to the
water at about 11pm so I wasalso, during the week, trying to
transition my body clock alittle bit and but take some
midday naps and wait, you know,stay up a little bit later, wake

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up a little bit later, to theextent that I could, just so
that I would have some energy at11pm and not be yawning and
feeling like it was time to goto bed. So to get to the point,
you know, I went off the dockthere fourth seed. I knew what
the lead was. Two skiers had runtwo buoys at 39 and a half off,

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the scores were lower at night,because everything felt
tremendously fast. I mean, itfelt like a boat might as well
have been going 40 miles anhour. Your depth perception was
way off, and it coming into thelights. It's very bright, almost
blinding, and then as you turn,all of a sudden, you're going
into darkness. So you kind ofhave these big contrasts. So

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again, very unique, very much asituation where you have to be
adaptable. And so I was actuallyannouncing for the women, so I
was watching it on the webcastas they were going, seeing what
the struggles looked like. Andbut as they all came off, they
all seemed kind of nervous,going on a lot of anticipation.
You know, many skiers hadn'tdone in night finals before, so

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kind of flying blind, not surewhat this is going to be like.
And as I got out of thebroadcast booth and started
gathering my things to get readyto take to the water, I just
paused for a moment, and Ithought to myself,
What a great what a cool thingthat this is, you know, the

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child in me, the 10 year old or13 year old, who had these pipe
dreams about being a pro skier,would never have imagined that I
would be in England gettingready to take to the water at
almost midnight to ski in A in afinals of a pro tour stop, and I
just stayed with that thoughtfor a minute. I said, you know,

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that's my goal for this set. Isthat this is going to be a great
experience. I've been skiingWell, I can't count on the
normal keys and technicalcomponents that I would often
bring into a tournament. I justwant to as a kid, I didn't have
that. I didn't have a coach. Ididn't I just went out there and
I had fun. I just did the bestthat I could. I was like, let's

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find that approach, you know?
And I thought about the I alwaysskied with my granddad as a
child. He was my ski partner.
And I thought about what hewould think, or how he would see
this, if he was able to bewatching, you know, that I'd be
taken to the water under thelights, you know, in this, in
this kind of intense finals. AndI said, Okay, you know, this is

(14:27):
going to be my, my mindset forthis. So I went out there, got a
taste of things in the openingtwo passes, which, you know,
like they felt pretty good. Iwas like, okay, you know, this
is definitely tricky. I can seewhy people are are having some
trouble, and the scores are alittle bit lower, but, you know,
we're going okay here. Then Icame to 38 off, which was my

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third pass, and had anabsolutely atrocious one ball.
The skier who was after me toldme, You. After the tournament
was over, he said, I could seeyou turn one ball from the dock.
He said, As soon as I saw thatturn, I started putting my ski
on. I thought that was the endof your runway right there,
because it was, it was not good,and seemed like a lot of people

(15:15):
were struggling at the two ball.
So I go over to that two ball,what people didn't see and where
I lost some nerve, it's comingout with two ball. I only got
two fingers back on the handle,so now I'm I'm on the handle,
but I'm heading to three, and Ireally can't get my full power.
I've got one my right hands onbut on my left hand, only two
fingers. So I kind of have totake this very strange position

(15:35):
where I'm out of, you know, outof position underpowered, going
to three, and as I'm coming in,it's like, okay, this is really
the make or break turn. I'meither going to get the turn, I
need to reset this pass, or I'mgoing to go down trying. And I
went for the turn, and thankgoodness. As I finished the

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turn, the line came tight, bothhands on, and I hooked up and
went and then I was able tofinish out the run. And if, you
know, felt like I dodged abullet, I was like, okay, whoo.
Oh, got that. We got that onedone. So now I'm waiting at the
end of the lake, basically inthe pitch black, you know, at
that far end of the lake, itwas, you're just sitting in the

(16:16):
water, in the darkness. I said,Okay, survive that. I know the
score to beat right now is two.
There's some great skiers comingafter me. So the more I can get
past to the better. So I get up,it's a long run in to the
course. So I got up. I had thisthought to myself. I was like,

(16:39):
All right, you have a chancehere. Like, this is what all of
those workouts in the offseason, all the discipline, all
the hard work, the sacrifice foryears it comes to this, like,
let's channel that and and go.
And I got what I thought was,you know, a pretty decent one,
better than the prior one. Itgave me a chance to, you know,

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at least get across. Have a lookat two turn. Two was not a great
turn. I got in pretty deep. Therope came tight. I had it in my
hands, and I knew I had to getoutside of three to take the
lead. So I wasn't in a greatposition, but I basically just
put every fiber of my being intothat pull across the lake, got a

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lot of speed, managed to get theski outside of three, tried to
make an S turn and get back tothe middle. I was going too
fast. I couldn't quite get back.
So my I had the score of two anda half, which took the lead, and
I skied back to the dock,holding the lead. And then it
was just the waiting game, youknow, let's wait and see what

(17:44):
happens. I had, like I said,there were three guys to come
after me, all of whom had beenskiing, you know, at the top of
their game in those conditions.
And I just watched one by one asas they didn't quite get there,
like Joel Poland was lookinggreat. And then all of a sudden,
you know, something about thedarkness, he had a mishap at 38

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off went down. Same thinghappened to Aaron Davies. And
then Sasha desk gun was the topseed. Goes out there, runs
opener. You know, I at thispoint, I know I'm guaranteed at
least second. It's going todepend on what Sasha does. He's
coming back at, you know, 35off, which is a pass that, you
know, he runs literally 100% ofthe time in training, in the

(18:29):
daylight. And again, somethingabout that darkness and just not
being able to to get the depthperception. He had a weird turn,
had a fall, and all of a sudden,like, it's announced, like he's
down and and I'm standing there,

Lynn (18:47):
I just won this tournament. Yeah,

Corey (18:50):
I mean, it just it hit me. It's still pretty
indescribable. I had to take aknee. You know, I was, I was
standing there briefly, and thenI just needed to drop down onto
one knee, because I've thefeelings going through my body
were a little too much to managestanding up and, you know, I put

(19:12):
my hands down on the groundthere, and the first thought
that came to my mind was, wasjust about my granddad and that
lifelong that I had managed todo, what I had hoped to do,
which was find that that innerchild sense of play and fun, and
then also kind of merge thatwith on that final run, a sense

(19:35):
of determination and just anappreciation for the hard work
and sacrifice that it took toget there and bring those two
things together in a performancethat, you know, it turned out to
go my way. And you know, then,of course, I knew the next step
is the camera is going to cometo me. They're going to put a

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microphone up to me, and I'mgoing to have to say something
which sounded i. That soundedharder than any of the skiing
part. I was like, I didn't haveany words, you know, at that
point in time, and in many waysI still don't, you know, for the
just the raw emotion and thefeelings that were were washing
over me right then, I did manageto say some things that I can

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stand by, and some of the rightwords came thankfully. You know,
I got to thank my wife, firstand foremost, because it is
with, you know, without hersupport and across the board at
all turns that would not behappening. I got to thank my
grandfather, which was top ofmind, and dedicate the wind to
him. But you know, as I thinkabout it, even now, like I said,

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I don't have words, but maybethe best way of thinking about
it is that, you know, I've beenat this for a long time. I found
out afterwards somewhere on theflight home, or something like
that, but I I'm actually theoldest skier to ever win their
first pro tournament. And Ireally like that title.

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Actually, I'm proud of that one,I mean, because I think a lot of
people with with maybe moresense than I have, would have
hung it up beforehand, likethere's something in me that
that drove me to keep going andbelieving that this was was a
possibility and and the wholeway along, like I feel very

(21:28):
fortunate that, because of myski school and coaching in a
variety of places, meeting folksfrom all over the country, all
over the world, and formingfriendships and relationships, I
have, you Know, we'll call it alittle bit of a fan base. I
don't mean that to be selfaggrandizing. I just have
friends that are supportive, youknow, starting with my family
and close friends, and then outthrough the skiers that I've

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come in contact with over theyears. And I've always felt
like, you know, I know what it'slike to be a fan. I have a
favorite football team that Ilike to root for, and when the
game comes on, I feel like allthe possibilities are on the
table, and I want to see himwin. And I've had the deepest
desire, you know, yes, to dothis for myself, to prove to
myself, I guess, that I can dowhat I told myself, that I could

(22:15):
do. But on top of that, that,you know, all these people that
have stuck with me through thickand thin, and definitely plenty
of thick. You know that I'vewanted to have this moment to to
give everyone the cause forcelebration, and it was almost
like in that moment where itcame true, there was so much

(22:37):
emotion going through me. It wasalmost like I was experiencing
the emotions of everybody, likeall of those people. It's like
it channeled right through me.
And that's like, I felt like Iwas gonna explode, you know,
like, and it was a specialmoment. I wouldn't want it any
other way. I wouldn't do it anyother way. Like, that's just
kind of been the nature of mypath, and it's been, you know,

(22:57):
something that's been importantto me the whole way along, so to
kind of finally have thathappen. It it all came together
in that one moment. And that'san experience. And I don't think
I'll ever be able to, you know,relive or or it's one of a kind.
It'll never happen that wayagain.

Lynn (23:22):
Yeah, wow. I I'm sitting here. I heard so many threads as
you were speaking the thebalancing act that you had,
especially on the run in, whenyou said you had a long run in
and you sort of felt the all thepreparation and all the

(23:46):
expectations, if you will, allthat time. For some people, that
would have actually been thepressure that kept you from
doing well, as opposed toelevated you, which it did. What
do you think gave you made yoube able to do so well, given

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that you actually went into thepreparation side just then,

Corey (24:12):
I think it was lucky that it just happened to flash up in
my mind in that short momentwhere I was already up on my
ski, the boat's moving. I'mcoming into the course. There's
not, I'm not like thinking aboutit. I think if that thought you
were ruminating, yeah, he wasruining if I was in the water at
the end of the lake for two wewere waiting like two minutes
because it was a little rolly.
Also, that was another factor,was kind of rough water, which,

(24:33):
again, very much like mychildhood. I skied on rough
water. And you know, if I'vebeen thinking about it for two
minutes, like, Oh, I did this,and I made that sacrifice, and
it's been this. And can it alljust come together for once? It
came more as, like, you know,right now I'm reading the
Raphael Nadal's autobiography,and he's kind of famous for
vamanos, you know, vamos, let'sgo like, that's that one moment

(24:57):
of like, that's kind. How itcame to me is like, you know,
this is it. I've done all this.
Like, come on, you know, comeon, let's go. And so it was that
type of just flash thought,like, let's bring it together
right here, and concentrate andseize it, because it's now, you
know. So it pulled me into nowinstead of, you know, yeah, a

(25:18):
longer open ended, well, I, youknow, I have done all this. I've
been there before, and it hasgone the other way, where I'm
just like, well,

Lynn (25:25):
it normally does, but, but you're, you're, you know, on the
tip of the sphere, which iswhere you're living in this
journey of yours, on the tip ofthe sphere, you're just a micro
millimeter away from the otherthought, that would cause you to
go the other way, but you caughtthat moment, as you said, and it

(25:46):
strikes me that you use the wordappreciation for all you have
done, rather than expectationfor a payoff of all you've done.
And that seems like a minutedistinction, but at the tip of
the spear maybe makes adifference. What do you think?

Corey (26:01):
Yeah, I think you're right. And I, you know, I feel
like we don't often have thatmuch conscious control of how
our thoughts form. And so somany other times I've had them
form in that way of like, oh mygosh, I've sacrificed so much,
and my wife has sacrificed somuch, and whoever else that
their expectations are this, andthis could be all the

(26:22):
potentialities of what mighthappen. And then that can be
unsettling, that can, you knowthat forms an expectation, like
it should work, or like, if Idon't do it now, then what like
Will it ever so it's I'm just, Ifeel fortunate that in that
moment, that's not the way itcame it, it popped up like a
flash ball moment. And it'slike, you know, now let's, let's

(26:45):
do this. Now, let's, let'scultivate, you know, it's going
to be a test of wills and a testof strength in this particular
format, and I've trained hardfor that, so, you know, I didn't
even have that many thoughts.
But like, that's kind of how itfelt. It pulled you

Lynn (27:02):
into the moment. Because I think a lot of us don't realize,
I know I'm catching myself allthe time, especially as I'm
working with horses who show youimmediately, whether you're in
the moment or not, is wesometimes live even three
seconds out of the moment,either before or behind, like
what happened three seconds agois still with us, or what's
about to happen? You know, we'reahead of it or behind it, and

(27:25):
it's almost like it magicallyput you in the right now moment.
And then, as you said, you wereable to make it around, you
know, a lot further than anyoneelse did. And I was watching, I
could see how hard it was, andnever translates on the screen.
You know, I almost have to,like, know how to see what

(27:47):
you're seeing on the screen andthen make it real.
You know,darkness, the speed the rollers,
you know, and the pressure ofjust being late. It's so late at
night for you, it wasn't thatlate for us because of our
difference. But still,

Corey (28:02):
yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, it was, you know, like I
said, just a one of a kindmoment, one that I'll I'll never
forget, one that I think I got abarrage of text messages and
emails and Instagram messages ofsupport, which I appreciate
greatly, because, I mean to methat was that those meant a lot

(28:25):
more than the the trophy or, Imean, I didn't even remember
that I was going to get paid forthis until we were walking to
the podium and, oh yeah, JackThomas the Gasper. He's like,
Wow, your first win, right?
Like, oh, you're going to getthe big check. And I was like,
Oh yeah, there's money. Like,cool. That's, that's never,
that's really never been a partof the motivation for for doing
this. And so that was just anice bonus on top. But all of

(28:47):
those messages and folks Ihadn't had a chance to
communicate with for some time,you know, popping up. I mean
that that really, I've said thisto a number of people on the
flight home. I'm very glad thatthe passenger next to me in the
airplane was asleep for the mostof the time, because I was
getting text messages. And every10 messages or so I'd read one,

(29:09):
and I would just start, youknow, tearing up and, you know,
my my eyes would be watering,and I'd be choking up just
replying, and they would havethought that I was a lunatic,
just breaking down in tearsabout every five or 10 minutes.
So fortunately, they wereasleep. But I mean, it had that
type of emotional impact. Andyou know, just for for those who

(29:30):
I didn't express it well enoughto at the time, you know, I do
so deeply appreciate thosemessages of support and the
people that gave me hugs andstopped me on the back, because
it was like that win was for forthose people, as much as it was
for me, like that. That was sucha huge part of it going in or or

(29:52):
this whole time. And thenfinally happened.

Lynn (29:57):
It finally happened. I know I was one of those people.
I heard. A new term this morningfrom one of my friends, Chantal
Pratt, who used the termwatering the ground with her
face, and I watered the groundwith my face, you know, after
that and I reflected on the yourgranddad and the journey that

(30:20):
the two of you took togetherfrom the beginning of your life,
and just what, what, how much itmeant to him, you know. And I
knew he was, however it works.
And I we, none of us reallyknow, but I knew he was
watching,

Corey (30:36):
yeah, so this, I might not have even shared this with
you, Lynn, because I, as yourlisteners wouldn't, wouldn't
know, but you were there when hepassed away. Took place at a
water ski tournament at Mysticwaters. The last thing that he
ever said to me, as I was kindof tucking him in, was he said,
Hey, pal, I got good feelingsabout tomorrow. I think you're

(30:58):
really going to do great. Andthen I said, thanks, I feel good
too, Granddad. And we said, youknow, I love you. And then we
went to bed, and that was thelast thing we ever said. And so
it kind of has hung on that noteand and I would be lying if I
didn't didn't believe that allthis time. I was like that

(31:20):
statement, like he believed,despite what any like, because
of bias, because he was my guy,he believed that I could do
this. And I think that's whatmade me believe that I could do
this. And so that has juststayed with me. That's why I'm
the oldest person to get therebecause I was too stubborn to

(31:46):
stop. And that belief came fromhim. So like, you know, he left
this world never, hadn't gottento see it, you know, here in
real time. But like, the way Ifeel about it, like he knew that
the day would come like hedidn't have to be here to see
it. And and I just have beenworking and wanting to to

(32:07):
deliver that promise that thathe believed in, and that, you
know, has motivated me all thistime to keep believing, keep
working and keep pushing forthat. And so, yeah, again.
Another reason that the emotionswere just overwhelming when it
finally happened is it's like,okay, we we did.

Lynn (32:29):
And that idea of believing, you know, are you?
Are you a fan of TED lasso?

Corey (32:33):
You know what? I haven't watched it. It's one of those
ones that I don't have the rightsubscription, Apple TV,

Lynn (32:38):
I mean, and who wants to add a subscription? But the
first thing he does when he goesthis guy, that's not a soccer
coach, he's a football coach. Tocoach a soccer team, he puts the
word believe over the door inthe locker room. And, you know,
I think it's way underestimatedthe power of belief, and by the
way, on both sides of the coin,because so many of our beliefs

(33:02):
actually get in our way, butthey also can move us forward,
and just today, you're on my newsubscription list. The coaching
digest went out today, and Iposted as my favorite of the
week a six minute video fromAndrew Huberman, who is
describing the power of beliefscientifically where they gave

(33:23):
milkshakes to people, and onegroup were told this is not
healthy, and the other group,I'm going to really bastardize
this, because he can tell itbetter, but the other group that
it was and so those who believedit was better had better health
outcomes than those who didn't.
It's and he describes how it'seven more than the placebo

(33:43):
effect that it literally at acellular level, changed the way
their body processed the thingthat went in it, and that goes
against all science, right? Whatare we trying to do is prove
that things work, regardless ofour belief, without realizing
that the most powerful medicinewe have is our belief

Corey (34:06):
100% I mean, it's, it's paramount, and it sounds, I
mean, I've listened to and readso many different, you know,
masters in the, you know, theself help space. And you hear
this message over and overagain, but, and it can almost
seem, you know, almost seemtrite, like, okay, yeah, we know

(34:27):
we're supposed to believe, butlike to to embody that and
really be able to believe inyourself when the chips are
down, or when you're In anintense scenario, or or you just
need endurance just to keepgoing. I mean, there's, there's
nothing else that can take youthere. I mean, discipline will

(34:50):
you'll fall off. You know, hardwork, just pushing, pushing,
pushing, pushing, if you don'tsee the results in some amount
of time you're going to you.
You're going to stop there hasto be this very stubborn, the
stubborn belief somewhere inthere. Because I think if you
were, if you were a bettingperson and a astute water ski
observer, you know, just of thesport, neutral, unbiased. And we

(35:13):
go back just a few years, youknow, 2022 2021 2020, you know,
if you ask people to bet money,you know, is Corey Vaughn ever
going to win a pro tournament?
The smart bet, and the one thatmost people, I believe, would
have made if they were trulyunbiased, is no, you know,

(35:35):
they're not going to bet onthat, you know, not, not any
real sum of money. It'd be amuch safer, you know, bet to bet
no. But on the other hand, I betmy life hours and hours and days
and days and weeks and monthsand years against that. And
those are, you know, that's mytime that I'm never going to be

(35:56):
able to recover. That's to me,worth a lot more than money. And
it's not because it is a smartbet. It's not because it was
calculated and the odds lookedgood. It's because I had this
very stubborn belief that itcould happen and that I was
willing to, I was willing tolose the bet in the in the

(36:18):
effort to try and all that time,I guess it's still not wasted.
You know, I think that's animportant point too. It's not
that, you know, if this didn'thappen, that the effort and the
striving and the ambition wasfor nothing. There's there's
still gains, there's stillgrowth, and there are things to
be proud of for the effort. Butthat's why we stated back in

(36:42):
April. I mean, these goals, likethey're tangible, like they're
written down in a document, likeI know what I wanted, and this
is what I was chasing and andso, you know, it's the belief
that carried it to the finishline.

Lynn (36:56):
You, you said something in our last podcast that I think is
maybe how you can sort ofbalance those two, those two
parts, the journey versus thegoal. And it was you said, I am
deeply curious to find thatedge. And with that, what you

(37:19):
also said, without saying it inmy mind, this is what I also
heard. I trust myself to be ableto handle what happens when I
get to that edge.

Corey (37:29):
That's right. Of course, I want all of the objective
outcome. I want the outcomesthat I, you know, I've dreamt
up, but the way I've kind ofbeen framing it is that if I
don't, if I believe thesethings, and I can apply every

(37:51):
best effort and intentionpossible, and they don't work
out, then I can walk awaywithout regrets, and then I'm
going to have a lot more yearsof life once this whole pro
skiing thing is over and donewith, then I am going to in
these next however many days, or400 days in this plan. And so I

(38:11):
don't want to live all of thoseyears being like, you know,
maybe if you had done X, Y or Z,if you just had believed a bit
more and been willing tosacrifice do this or that, that
it might have been different.
Because, I mean, that's, I'lleat you up and and so I'm very
heartened that, you know, again,this was kind of year two of

(38:34):
three out of 1000 days, threeyears, whatever. Year One was a
good step. Year two, where, Iguess we're still breaking it
down now, but this was a greatadditional step. And I mean
already, just based on we'lltalk about the rest of this
year, the good things of thisyear, I'm much closer to that

(38:55):
place where as I'll move, youknow, beyond the pro skiing days
into a more reflective stage oflife. You know, having this goal
and the way that this seasonwent, I can already tell that. I
know I'll be satisfied that I'veapplied myself. And I think this
is maybe a whole other topic ofconversation, is that, now that

(39:18):
like that, to me, was, if notthe biggest goal. One of them,
you know, one of the hardestgetting it to happen fosters
more confidence and belief it'slike that that really has come
to my benefit. Where before Isat, you know, just on the other
side of the fence, where it'salmost like this, invisible

(39:42):
fences, invisible line, whereit's like, you just don't know
what it takes. I always like, Ididn't have the recipe, you
know, it's like, I've triedthis, and I've tried that, and
I've tried so many things in somany ways, and I've tried so
hard, and it hasn't worked. So Idon't have the sauce, like, I
don't have. So I gotta keeptrying things. And that can be
maddening. You know, it'sfrustrating to apply all these

(40:04):
different things like that,still, wasn't it. You know, back
to the drawing board. So to toeclipse a couple of goals breeds
the sense that, okay, I'm on theright track. I have, you know, I
know a little bit more about theformula that's required for the
type of success that I'm lookingfor and the way I'm feeling it

(40:25):
now, you know, and I'm stilltrying to remain curious and
open, and the next year is goingto bring new things. For sure,
is that I think hopefully, I canbe a little more efficient in my
process, and I can let go ofthinking that I need to try
everything under the sun, somuch where maybe that creates a

(40:49):
bit of a spreading thin effect,and doesn't push me all in the
direction of where I'm trying togo and really hone in on the
specific pillars that are themost important and fortify
those, you know, identify maybea couple of the others that are
in a partial phase ofconstruction that could be

(41:12):
helpful to prop up the rest. Andthen take, you know, somewhat,
take my eye off of, well, I mustneed to do this and this and
this and this other thing. It'slike, okay, I've gotta, I know
the the main ingredients of therecipe now to make it come out
the way I want. So that is veryhelpful in

Lynn (41:31):
you know, I, I can assure you, everyone listening right
now is going well, what arethose main ingredients? And you
may not be willing to sharethem, but I'd be curious. I have
a theory about how you approachthat tournament you won, so I
want to speak on that in aminute. But if you're willing,
and some you know ingredientsare I'm learning this with
sourdough bread. By the way,there is an entire world of

(41:55):
people trying to make sourdoughbread with basically, what is
it? Three ingredients, flour,water and salt, and how you
combine those things is theinfinite possibilities. Is
unbelievable. Time, temperature,how much water, when to make
your starter, when to use yourstarter? Blah, blah, blah, blah,

(42:16):
blah, and starter is nothing butflour and well, oh yeah, the
random ingredient called yeast,that whatever's in the air, and
that's, of course, sort of likethe secret sauce. But the reason
I mentioned that is, even if yougave us the ingredients, none of
us are going to be able tonobody could copy you, because
somehow you've figured out howto put them together, if that

(42:37):
makes sense, to make your ownversion.

Corey (42:40):
Yeah. I mean, I'm willing to share anything I would say to
try to get closer to theformula. It's that a calmer mind
has been a really big part ofit. You know, as we said, when
you start formulating thoseexpectations and ruminating the

(43:01):
word that you used, I thinkthat's great when there's all of
this mental churn and backgroundnoise and the the hypothetical
scenarios, if this happens, andthat'll happen, if this person
does this, and this will be likethis, all of that I I've been I
have gotten myself lost in thatin the past, and you know, that

(43:25):
has been counterproductive. So Ithink that I've done a better
job, or something that's beenhelpful to me, and this is to
people are different before thebefore competing. I mean, I have
a set of rituals that, I guess,that I go through in terms of my
warm ups and some mentalimagery, you know, and that the
mental imagery is new this year,the warm ups have been the same

(43:47):
for years, but that is like apillar that I know works for me,
that I really want to stickwith, but I always got lost in
this space about an hour leadingup to taking to the water. We
spoke about this a little bit inthe last conversation, and it's
like I didn't really know what Iwanted to do at that time. I've
done my warm ups, I've done myimagery. I need to kind of pay

(44:10):
attention to what's happeningout there so I'm ready when it's
my turn, but I don't want to paytoo much attention to it. That
I'm so focused on what otherpeople are doing out there that
I'm really not in my own headspace. And I, you know, every
tournament's a little different,the circumstances, the
environment is a little bitdifferent. But the the part when

(44:32):
I'm feeling at my best is thatI'm just in a calmer state of
mind and almost not not thinkingabout rehearsing what I'm going
to do. I've already done that.
That's mental imagery helps,because it's like, well, here's
the concrete time where I runthe mental tape of what I'm
going to do and really focus onthat with full concentration.

(44:53):
Okay, and now that's done, Iknow what that's going to be.
And then when I put my ski onand jump in the lake, we can
bring. Bring that back to theforefront, and I can, you know,
remember the simple one or twoor maybe three primary keys that
are what I'm taking into thisset, whereas in the past, I
would be overthinking in thathour. It's like, oh, well, this

(45:15):
and then this factor, maybe Ineed to change this, and then
I'm just going around the wheelof possibilities, and that's
that's too much, and beingconcerned about what other
people are doing and saying. Andso I just quiet time as much as
I can, kind of maybe keep tomyself, and then at least long
enough to then when I'm going togo down, I'm going to start

(45:37):
putting on my shorts and mygloves and my whatever people
are going to be chit chatting,then I can just be loose. I and
be open to if people are goingto have a chat with me or not.
I'm quite happy if I find alittle secluded spot and I can
do it on my own. That's great.
So that's been a big one. Justthe mental calm and again,
skiing overall better evenbefore the win, having some

(45:59):
better results and betterperformances. There was just a
state of confidence that helpedbolster that mental calm and and
so, and I've already touched onit then, like, when it's when I
put my foot in the binding and Igrab the hand and I'm going to
jump in the water, that's like amoment that is like, okay, you

(46:19):
know, we open the curtain, so tospeak, it's like, and now the
performance begins. There's notthis kind of blurring of the
days and weeks and hour rightbefore, and all the thoughts
that have kind of been churningthrough those times are just
carrying over onto the water,and my head's still spinning out
there. It's like, that was thatthe preparation is done. I'm

(46:42):
ready now. It's show time, andwe're going to get in the water
and and perform another onethat's, you know, specific to
water skiing. And this is goingto sound really obvious, but it
can't. Maybe everyone's alreadydoing this. That's a skier, but
I wasn't for a long time, somaybe everyone's not, is that,

(47:03):
you know, we're going to gothrough a sequence of passes.
Typically, I'm going to start atournament at either 32 or 35
off, and then 38 off, so atleast two or three passes. 39 is
a hard pass, but one that I'mrunning almost every time, and
then 41 is where the tournamentis really going to be decided.

(47:23):
And instead of all of thehypotheses beforehand, get in
that in that gameplay mode whenI jump in the water, but try to
learn we're going to drop at theend of the lake after every
pass. So use that time to take abrief review of what that what

(47:44):
the past was like. Was it aheadwind, tailwind? What was the
gate scenario like? What do Ineed to factor in the next time
I come from that side of thecourse? You know, make put a
pin, pin in that for the nexttime, and then just kind of
quickly, okay? And here are thethings that I want to make sure
I either adapt or put intopractice for this coming pass,

(48:04):
you know, just a quick, youknow, it takes 20 seconds, just
run through those things, andthen, you know, get up and go.
So I'm going to have seen thelake before I get to my hardest
pass, where things are on theline. I'm going to have seen
that end of the lake before,possibly twice. So that's all
data. So like, I'm actually justtrying to use the end of the

(48:25):
lake to integrate that data andtake what I need from it and
make that time productive, whichis very different from what
before would be. I'd get drop inthe water. I'd have a very
emotional response, which is,either, well, this is going
really good. I feel great today.
Yeah, and this is, you know, Ithink this is going to be great,
which, that's not a focusedthat's, that's fine if you're

(48:46):
feeling good, but when you getto that tip of the spear, like
you talked about, feeling greatis, is on your side, but you
also kind of just need a framingof what you're going to do, or
what has, what is it that's madeyou feel good, just so you have
something concrete to stake thaton, um or, or many, many times
in the past is, uh oh, this isnot feeling good. One Pass, I'm

(49:10):
kind of then I'm nervous, andthe next pass is nervous and
tense, and then it's kind ofsurvival, and then I'm getting
to the harder passes, and I'mjust all worked up and tense
that each No Pass has reallyfelt back great so far, and
like, Oh, I'm off my game. Well,that's a terrible thought to be
bringing into the performance,because, again, you have no
touchstone of, well, what do Ineed to do to turn this ship

(49:32):
around? You know? And you'vegone through four passes and
you've never even made anattempt to turn the wheel in the
other direction, because allyou've done is worry about how
badly it's going. I mean, that'sfoolish, but that's what I did.
You know, I'd be overcome by thenerves and emotion of it, so
just kind of using that time inthe water to to frame up, all
right, if it didn't go well, youknow, we'll talk about the

(49:56):
Nationals in the minute, becausethat was the next tournament.
After the win in England, andthat was another prime example
of moving pass by pass, to tryto put the pieces together, try
to weave the fabric together ina way that's going to work. And
it sounds very intuitive thatthis is what we should be doing.
But I think in a sport that's somoment to moment. Do or die, so

(50:20):
cutthroat you can be out at thedrop of a hat. It's very easy to
succumb to the emotionalresonance with the past that you
just ran, rather than the datapoints from the past that you
just ran. One of them gives youtools, and one of them gives you
nothing. Well,

Lynn (50:40):
so Exactly, I think you have maybe hit on the greatest
key for performance there is, atleast in the world that I'm
playing in right now. And theone thing I think, for those
people listening that aren'tfamiliar with slalom, water
skiing, it's the only sport I'maware of that the minute you
make a mistake, meaning you quitscoring. You're out, yeah, like

(51:04):
in tennis, you get you can missyour serve, you can lose a
point. You're still in the gamealmost any other sport, and it's
not nearly as fast either,because your your your PASS is,
what? 16.9 seconds, yeah. 1608Yeah. 16 eight. And you think I
know that driving can be sixevery day in the summer, but I
never look at times, and youhave to, you know, go very, very

(51:27):
fast, very little room formistakes. And I think what you
described when we make mistakes,and it could just be that you
stepped on somebody's toe in thegrocery line, or it could be
that you almost backed into acar as you're pulling out of the
grocery store. Or it could bethat you almost that you have
two fingers on the handle goingfrom two to three at 38 off in

(51:51):
the dark. You know, it could beany kind of mistake, but I think
it throws our brains into thatemotional ruminating. Oh, my
God, this isn't feeling good.
What do I do now? Mode and keepsus, causes us to over and under
react rather than be right inthe moment, going, Okay, I'm
off, but here's how far I haveto correct to get back where I

(52:12):
need to be. And what youdescribed going into the
tournament, talking aboutadapting in that tournament, I'm
going to be feeling happy, like,how cool is this? But man, I'm
going to have to adapt while I'mout there. And then what you
just now described is I'madapting almost buoy by buoy,
because I'm listening and payingattention not to how I felt when
I walk in the water and making ajudgment call. Am I feeling good

(52:36):
or bad? But okay, how far thisway? How far that way? In other
words, the language I use iscalling it be the conduit,
letting it tell you what to do,when to do, how to do. Yeah, and

Corey (52:50):
I'd say when you're in that emotional space, or when
the nerves have the control, youalmost you can't even collect
the data points, because if youmade a mistake during the run,
even it's when your early passesand you don't fall, you continue
scoring. You get through thepass. You're it's very easy as
you drop in the water toremember the feeling of how bad

(53:13):
that mistake felt, theembarrassment, shame, nerves,
and that's, that's what stayswith you, rather than, okay,
well, what, what was the cause?
What was the actual thing I needto implement to do something
better? You're blinded by theemotional side. So, you know, I
again, that wasn't even aconscious I mean, I guess it was

(53:33):
a conscious choice in that Ikind of realized that this is
something that I should bedoing, and this is kind of the
more the way we do it inpractice. And if you see with
the coach, that's what they do,the coach does that largely for
you. It's like, well, yeah, youmade a mistake right here.
Here's what you did. Here's whatwe want to try to do on the next
pass to improve. Yet you you gointo that cauldron, and all of a

(53:54):
sudden that mindset is gone, andit gets replaced by, you know,
the emotions take the controlsand so, so that's been a huge
change. And then, you know, asfar as the rest of the recipe,
just to try to tie that up,it's, it's a that same sense of
calm, calm confidence, I would,I would describe it, trying to

(54:25):
find that in some other walks oflife, off the water, like I
think I used to, we mentionedthis in the prior episode,
trying to make these 1% gainswhere I used To. I used to make
some gains, but then subtractthem from myself by some deviant
behavior over here, or some, oh,I'll cut a corner with this. I

(54:48):
found that just by, you know,between exercise, sleep,
nutrition, just the fundamentalsof. Uh, athletic performance. I
don't have to go at 110% in anyone of those categories, if I
just am basically consistentlydoing my best in all of them.

(55:12):
Like, sometimes we getinterrupted sleep. I've got a
three year old. It's going tohappen. Sometimes we're in
somewhere that we can't get thefood that you want it's going to
happen. You know, some days, youknow, you're not going to get in
the workout or whatever based onfactors that are going on beyond
your control. And those thingsused to really stress me out,
and I'd be like, Oh my gosh, youknow this or that happened, and

(55:35):
now I'm one day behind where Iam. My overall scheme had me
because I didn't trust myselfthat I would do my diligence
across the board. I had this,you know, little bit of self
destructive tendency to like,Well, that happened, or maybe
even because that happened, andI got stressed, you know,

(55:55):
because I I didn't get enoughsleep, then I didn't have the
same amount of willpower, andthen I would reach into the
cookie jar because I didn't havethe willpower. And then it's
like, comments like, well, nowit's all kind of going to hell,
so I won't even do my workout orwhat, like, it would just kind
of unravel, eat all the cookies.
That's what, you know, right?
And so, you know, I would kindof allow that initial false step

(56:17):
to derail the others where nowit's like, okay, some of these
things are going to happen someof the time. Perfectionism is,
is not the goal here. It's okayif I didn't get enough sleep
last night, let's try to getreally good quality nutrition to
the best that I can today. Let'stry to, you know, move my body,

(56:38):
get the blood pumping, you know,to the extent that I can today,
and if I can't, then I'll dothat tomorrow, or I'll, you
know, I'll try to get to bedextra early tonight. Whatever it
may be that this, the factorsallow for just, you know, those
are, there are opportunitiesavailable if you stay looking
for them rather than kind of getinto, like, the throw your hands

(57:01):
up, mode of like, oh well, theplan went out the window. So
today's lost cause, and I mightas well just blow it up and
we'll and then and then tomorrowis never as good either, because
now you're waking up tomorrownot feeling as good, physically,
emotionally, you kind of beatingyourself up, or feeling some
guilt or whatever. So justcurtailing those you know life

(57:23):
happens, and just kind of havinga healthier appreciation for
that's going to be the case, andjust staying true to the plan
that was a calmer mode ofliving, because it came from a
fundamental place of trustingmyself to stay with it to the
extent that I could and notsweat it so hard, not get

(57:44):
stressed out if this or thatthing popped up and, you know,
kind of foiled my best madeplans. It's like, Well, okay,
new plan still to do the bestwith with this scenario, right?
Again, that sounds so simple,but I was no good at doing that
for a long time. And I had suchlofty, I guess, expectations for
how perfectly I was going to doeverything, that when one little

(58:08):
block got removed, it felt likeit got removed right from the
bottom, and everything justcrumbled down like, oh, you
know, to hell with it all. Sothat's been another one, and
that staying in that calmerstate of mind and trust has paid
big dividends.

Lynn (58:27):
That's huge. Every all of us can take a lesson from that,
because, you know, when we getin that cycle of beating
ourselves up, I think every cellin our body hears it. What I've
experienced working with horses,and it was a huge insight for me
just in the last few months. Isthe minute I start, you know,

(58:49):
going in my head, yelling atmyself, the horses can actually
feel or hear that. I don't knowexactly how it works, but
they're very tuned in, and thenthey're confused, because it's
like, can you just tell me youwant me to go left or right, as
opposed to what's going on up inyour head? And as I've thought
about you know that for myself,it's like it we think we're

(59:10):
trying to make ourselves betterby doing it, but what we're
really doing is telling everypart of our body to to, like,
get into defensive mode. Becausewhat would you do if somebody
came up and started beating youup on the street. Yep, you have
to go into defensive mode, Yep,

Corey (59:28):
yeah. And Andrew Huberman, I know you're
listening to us, this veryimportant conversation that
we're having, I want someresearch to be done. I've almost
this is just a hunch. This islike a theory that I think when
you're in that positive frame ofmind, knowing that you're doing
what you can. And then, in mycase, like approaching a
tournament where you kind of,you know, where you're trying to

(59:50):
peak, you know, the date, thetime, more or less, I felt this
thing this year that I I'm mysuspicion is that it's maybe.
Hormonal which is a part of oursystem. I know that we don't
fully understand that well, howall these chemicals inside of us
shape us and our behavior andour mood and all this, but it's
I noticed as I would beapproaching events this year and

(01:00:16):
very differently from in thepast, with a greater sense of
calm and confidence andreadiness that I was excited to
go out and perform, rather thaneating up with nerves about the
impending competition, I almostI felt like I could almost
detect a change in like, like myskin and my to a small degree,

(01:00:40):
like my body composition and myclarity of thought, those things
actually started without anychange per se in what I was
doing. As far as eating,sleeping, whatever I felt like,
I started to notice just subtle,you know, not sweeping, but
these just kind of small in thein the three days, I'd say,
leading up, I started to feel alittle bit better, and I've

(01:01:03):
started to feel a little morevibrant, and I have no, no way
of tying that to a lifestylefactor. And I'm just kind of
curious, of like, what youtalked about, as far as having
the milkshakes, if you thinkthat it's good for you, and
you're kind of framing it acertain way, your body's
responding differently where Iknow in the past, I think it
actually worked the other way.
It can cut both ways, where I'dbe so nervous as the day of the

(01:01:26):
tournament approached, say Imaybe feel more bloated or more
like flabby, or more lethargicor more cloudy in my thoughts.
So I'm like, I don't know wherethat comes from, but I found it
super interesting. And I thinkthat there's something there.
And I try to, you know, listento humor in lab and things like

(01:01:46):
that. I'd love to hear some somescience about what is that like,
what's going on there?

Lynn (01:01:54):
I would, I would too, because, interestingly enough,
when I'm working with Bruce, wetalk about breaking things frame
by frame. And he is alwayssaying, like, for both the horse
and for me, notice that at thesuccess of each frame, not the
end goal, there's an endorphinkick. I did that. And what I

(01:02:15):
want to know from Huberman is,okay, what is that endorphin
kick like? Is it dopamine, or isit the actually, I've had one
biologist say to me, first youhave to have the adrenaline or
the epinephrine, and then youget the dopamine. So it's sort
of like, is it going to work? Ohyes, it did. Is it going to
work? Oh yes, it did. But Ithink we scoot right past that

(01:02:35):
in most of our work becausewe're so focused on the end
goal. So one of the things I'vebeen playing with, I call it
banking endorphin kicks. And Igive it I do it as I'm unloading
my car, because it's a pain inthe butt to unload my car every
day as I go back and forthbetween the floor, you know,
Mystic waters. And here is, pickthis up, endorphin kick. Move

(01:02:56):
this into this hand. Endorphinkick. Assess, is there another
you know, am I gonna have tomake a second trip, or can I
load it all in, as opposed tojust being annoyed that I just
want to get everything out ofthe car and get it in the house,
and just like you said in otherparts of my life, practicing
before I put it under pressure.
And so, yeah, we'll send it. Wejust, we're just committing. Now
I'm going to somehow get thispodcast, at least to a woman,

(01:03:18):
Andrew, we need some help withwhat's happening. But I have no
doubt that there's something tothat and and what I also think,
and there's a new Netflix story.
We often joke, if you don't likeallow yourself to get that
natural endorphin kick as youaccomplish things day by day,
move by move throughout life,throughout whatever goals,

(01:03:40):
somebody else will come in andsubstitute it by selling you
something. Mm, and there's a newNetflix show called buy now, and
it's almost impossible for me towatch because it's so it's so
true and so convicting about howwe have substituted all the
external get a new iPhone, buysome new shoes, get a better

(01:04:03):
car, get on Facebook, whatever,to get your your endorphin kicks
versus getting them naturally.
So my theory is that what you'vedone as you shifted is and made
everything different this summerfor yourself, is that you've
gotten more of a naturalendorphin kick, rather than
looking outside yourself for it.

Corey (01:04:22):
Yeah, that sounds reasonable. We're doing our own
science

Lynn (01:04:26):
experiments. So like we'll get this, we'll get this little
old podcast to Andrew Huberman,but we, I don't want to run out
of time before we talk aboutbecause there's at least a
couple of more big things, oneof which is huge, and I don't
want to take away for those whoare listening about what it is
to win a pro ski tournament, Idon't know. I don't have the
records for who won tournamentsthis year, but it's generally

(01:04:48):
concentrated among a few people.
There's not that many people.
There's a lot of really, reallygood skiers, like who clearly
are the best in the world thatdon't win tournaments, but that
ski better than. Most otherpeople, and so to win a
tournament is huge. So let's nottake away from that, but you did
a couple of other things thisyear, and one of which is also

(01:05:09):
putting you in very rarefied airin the Ski World. So tell us a
little bit more about your otherexperience. Yeah,

Corey (01:05:15):
well, I'll just briefly put one before we get to what I
know you're talking aboutfollowing that tournament in
Oxford, the next tournament,which was about three weeks
later, something like that thatI participated in was the US
nationals in California. Andthis was a little bit of a, you
know, had a different flavor toit, because I this time, my wife

(01:05:40):
and my son, we all wenttogether. My wife was also going
to compete. And, you know, kindof following off of the back of
this big win and then ridingthat sort of high. But, you
know, here we go. We got to goback into competition again. And
to keep the story short, Imanaged to come away with the

(01:06:02):
win at the nationals as well, ina in a tie break with Nate
Smith, and that was my firstever nationals title. Like I've
been skiing the Nationals. Myfirst one was 1995 I was nine
years old. Wow, Yep, I've hadsome seconds and thirds along
the way. But I actually had atie breaker with Nate Smith the

(01:06:26):
prior year, but he won, I gotsecond. And then this year it
went the other way. So that wasa that was a special moment,
kind of piggybacked right on theother one. And then what really
made them,

Lynn (01:06:38):
by the way, against Nate, who has had a record of winning,
just really dominating, yeah,

Corey (01:06:44):
yeah, the world record holder and the most dominant
skier of our time, for sure.
Yeah. But what really made thattrip then special like that, we
flew out there, and then thenext day I skied, and then the
following day, my wife was up toski, and this was only her
second nationals. She did itlast year as well, and only
began skiing when we starteddating. So

Lynn (01:07:09):
I was there for this, yeah, right, walking her learn
to ski. Yeah, yeah.

Corey (01:07:14):
So only came to it as an adult, and then, you know, she
went out there. Nationals istough because it's one round,
and that's it, like you fly allthe way to California and you
got one shot, and then you skior nose. It's it's very possible
to come up far short of youryour average or your best. For
sure, she went out there andperformed really well and ended

(01:07:37):
up putting herself third placeat the National so she was on
the Yeah. So, you know, we bothgot to have our time on the
podium out there. And, you know,our son, Seth, was, in some way
anyway, at least able toappreciate, you know, he got to
climb up on the podium too. Heknew that was exciting stuff.
Got to take some pictures. Sonow that just made for a very

(01:08:00):
special family trip. But thenmoving on past that, the we're
kind of getting into the finalportion of the season now that
kind of ran through the fall,September, October. You know, I
guess the quick snapshot is thatof the last four tournaments, I

(01:08:20):
placed third in three of them.
So that was, to me, very good tomore podiums. You know, just
really exciting. You know,different people, as you
mentioned, taking away titles.
We had. Dane Meckler won one ofthem and I got third. Lucas
Cornell won one of them when Igot third. These are first time

(01:08:42):
champions as well. This was kindof the year of new people
finding their way to the top,which is great for the sport.
Makes it a lot more exciting foreveryone that's that's tuning
in. And I guess I can, I think Ican plug it right here that the
twbc is going to release alittle documentary series, like
a three episode or three or fourepisode series over the winter

(01:09:06):
in the new year sometime, kindof talking about this special
season and some of the newwinners and various things like
that. So that's something, yeah,something for the ski world to
look forward to. But then, yeah,I think the one other moment
that really stands out from thesummer, which was one of the
stated goals that we touched onwhen we spoke in April, was to

(01:09:31):
run the full 41 off pass. Again.
I'd done it in 2015 one time and2016 one time. So I wasn't the
ninth skier to ever do it, andthen since then, a few more
have, I think it's up to 13 nowthat have, that have ever done
it, yeah,

Lynn (01:09:49):
I think, depending on if it was in a runoff, yeah or
whatever. But I think 13 is theofficial

Corey (01:09:56):
yeah number. But I. So the but it had been like an
eight year drought for me. Ithad been since 2016 and it was
like, you know, come on, I knowthis one I could believe,
because it had happened before.
And I feel like, in many ways,I've improved my skiing game.
And it's like, okay, well,let's, I want to go out there
and and, you know, do thisagain. And so the way that

(01:10:19):
happened, though this time, wasfar more extraordinary than in
the past, which were, you know,they were record tournaments,
which are great but, and therewere other great skiers there,
skiing really well, but there'sno cash prize on the line.
There's no webcast. There'snothing really riding on it, and
that's takes a lot of thepressure off and makes it easier

(01:10:42):
to get those types ofperformances. But this time, we
were at the king of darkness,which was taking place basically
the weekend right beforeHalloween in Florida, isles of
Lake Hancock, and people startedskiing lights out, like I went
out there in the first round,and I ran three at 41 which is a

(01:11:03):
pretty good score, but I thinkat the end of that round, it had
moved me down the the runningorder, you know, the seatings,
because so many people had, youknow, run more than that, which
is, you know, just exceptional.
People were lighting it up. Andthen as we get into the second
qualifying round, a couple ofpeople who went out before me,

(01:11:28):
which means, I doubt you know,three at 41 had been more than
what they did in the firstround. Ski their brains out.
Will Asher runs five at 41 hugescore on the board. Thomas the
gaspreet goes out, runs five at41 it's his highest score of the
year. And I'm just like, Oh mygosh. You know this

Lynn (01:11:47):
outrageous scores, by the way, yeah, at this

Corey (01:11:50):
point, four at 41 is going to be a runoff to get in
at best. And that's justbonkers. I mean, that that's
rare air enough. So as I wastaken to the water that time,
it's like, well, we pretty muchhave to go for broke here. And I
was texting with Amelia, mywife, you know, beforehand, and

(01:12:14):
she's like, You got this, I knowyou can do it. And, like, the
last thing that she texted mebefore I was putting down my
phone to start putting my glovesand things on. She She said,
just run the dang thing and, youknow, and some emojis or
whatever. And I was like, huh,God, that would be so nice. And

(01:12:35):
so then we got out there, and Ifelt, you know, pretty good in
the warm up passes. I had TrentFinlayson as a driver. It was
his first time really pulling afull pro men's tournament. And
he's great guy. I think justkind of having a driver up there
that you know and you feelfamiliar with, you feel
comfortable with, that justtakes one more edge off. I mean,

(01:12:58):
we also had Scott Greenwood,who's the best of the best. So
it was, that's part of thereason the scores were so great.
You have two of the best upthere, but And Scott also is so
easy to to be out there on thewater with, you know, so again,
you know, just kind of likehaving fun, making a little bit
of a chat with the drivers inbetween. You know, as I do my

(01:13:22):
little drop down, kind ofrehearsing my mind, you reflect
on the data points and so forth.
And, you know, we worked our waythrough the past. Has got to 41
I was like, All right, Trent,well, this is it. I'm going to
go for it, you know, let's,let's run this thing. And he's
like, alright, buddy, yeah,let's do it. And I kind of had
rehearsed what it was going totake. You need the gate. You

(01:13:46):
need everything, basically, tobe at 100% and got the gate in
the one ball, I was off to theraces. Two ball was okay, that's
usually the ball. That's alittle make or break for me. It
was pretty good. And I asked,like, it wasn't perfect
position, but I justaccidentally fell into a great
lean position, got the line andended up with a great look at

(01:14:11):
three, which is probably my bestturn three ball. Got the really
good three, then I knew I wasgoing to have to turn four,
because getting four was maybeout at this point. So I was
like, Okay, we're just fullycommitting and going for it here
four connects, and then as I'mgoing over to five, the only

(01:14:32):
thing that managed to flashthrough my mind was that that
last text from my wife thatsaid, just run the dang thing. I
mean, the safe move would havebeen to know that you're going
to five. Yeah, I was going toget in most likely, like, just
stand up, take the full five andand take the safe road. But
that's like I said, the onlything that registered was just

(01:14:54):
run it. So I went to five infull commit mode, and it was.
Probably the best turn of thewhole pass. And as soon as that
line comes tight off of five,like I knew, I knew, then it's
like, well, we're gonna put thepedal down, make sure that I'm
going to get to six. If I haveone skill that's probably my

(01:15:15):
best asset is that I cantypically hang on to any amount
of slack out the gate. So I wasjust going to hit the
afterburners to six, not worriedabout the speed. Get back to the
center. Had a nice, big hitwaiting for me, but that I was
like, I checked I had enoughtime with the rope, you know,
laying in the water like, okay,both hands are on, full grip.
Get ready for it, you know.

(01:15:39):
Boom, there's the hit and andthen that, that was a that's
another special moment of thisyear that stands out, just like,
kind of let loose a veryguttural, raw scream that came
just came out because of that,after being denied for eight
years. And kind of, you know,coming to the end of the

(01:16:01):
tournament season, which thiswas, you know, pretty much
there, getting down to the lastchance to to do that, which was
one of the goals for the year.
You know, like, I knew I had onemore tournament afterwards
Miami. But everyone said it'sharder to get good scores there.
So, which is true, no one run 41there. The highest score of the
tournament was four. I kind ofknew that set was basically, you

(01:16:24):
know, that was my last chance.
If I didn't do it, it was goingto have to wait till next year.
So just a very, you know, uniqueway that it boiled down, you
know, that it was, it was thelast opportunity I kind of had
this, this mantra in my mindfrom my wife, like, just run the

(01:16:45):
dang thing and then, you know,sure enough, it all came
together when it counted and andthere was, yeah, that's, that's
another one that that I'll getto savor for a long time again.
I'm, I'm so appreciative thatboth, both of those great
experiences were captured by thetwbc, and they'll be housed on

(01:17:07):
YouTube for perpetuity. So youknow, I'll have the opportunity
to go back and and see them inthe future

Lynn (01:17:17):
that I actually didn't get to actually watch you run it. I
came, I think, onto the webcasta little too late, but I think I
scrubbed back so I could see it,because I was like, holy cow,
because I knew, you know, theback of my mind your goals. And
I was like, he did it. Andagain, it's pretty rarefied
error. Not that many people evenran it this year. Many of the 13

(01:17:41):
that have run it, only threepeople, is what you're saying.
Okay, yeah, three. And many ofthe people who have run it
aren't skiing anymore. So, youknow, there's not that many that
are contenders to run it. And soyou know, you're, you're three
people did something this yearof the whole people on the
planet, and you're one of them.
I mean, that's cool. That'sbeyond cool. Like, you're like,

(01:18:03):
Well, I have to say, but you do,you know, it's in what's I think
maybe the coolest part is, yes,you wanted to run it, but that's
not really been what these 1000days are about which you, I
think you said earlier you had400 days left of this, of this
thing. So just reflect on likethat, because also you have to

(01:18:29):
kind of keep yourself up. I knowit's rest season now. We've all
put our skis away. At least mostpeople have. I regretted putting
my skis up as soon as I did,because just until today, we've
had ski weather. Yeah. I mean,this is the longest potential
ski season we've ever had, butwe had flooding a couple of
months ago. It took a while toget our light back, so I only
skied a couple of times sincethen. But you know, it's rest

(01:18:51):
time. And then pick yourself upand go into next season. So any
last reflections on last yearand then tell me about what's
happening next year.

Corey (01:19:04):
I feel like, as this season was marching along, there
wasn't a whole lot of time tosit and reflect on the I mean,
fortunately, I'm very thankfulit was mostly highs, not a lot
of lows. But, you know, evencoming away from those

(01:19:24):
experiences, it's like there isstill the next thing to focus
on. And like, I don't want to,you know, I'm having a good
year, but I don't want to takemy eye off the ball. I want to
stay sharp and stay in theprocess. So, you know, getting
to do this, just sit down andand break it down a little bit,
kind of helps to integrate. Andlike I said to many people you

(01:19:48):
know, especially that thatmoment of the win in England, I
think that that's something thatI will likely, I'm going to
appreciate and savor that for alifetime, like I I almost
couldn't feel. All the emotions,and haven't been able to, you
know, they all bottled up veryintensely in that first that one
night, you know, that it tookplace and and I, you know, was

(01:20:11):
able to kind of get my armsaround them for that night, and
they're just washing over me,even on the plane ride home. But
then as I got back here, youknow, it's kind of back to
business. I'm back to being adad. You know, knows that
something good happened. Dadskied well, but like, you know,
he's still doing his thing. Hedoesn't care, you know, and,
and, you know, business marcheson. I got a ski school to run,

(01:20:32):
and, you know, I got a lot ofgreat hugs and things from from
my skiers that come out. Butultimately, you know, the daily
tasks of living were fill in thedays and without a lot of time
to just sit around in the glory.
So, you know, I'm kind ofcontent with that approach that
I think, you know, looking backand being able to cherish this

(01:20:56):
in 10 years and 20 years andhave that validation, that one,
I wasn't crazy for the havingthis belief and and two, I was
willing to make the sacrificesand put in the work required to
find out, you know, andultimately, check off some of

(01:21:16):
these goals, that's going to bemuch more favorable than the
regret that would have been hadI not invested the time and the
effort towards that. So I feellike these are gifts. These are
gifts for a lifetime. These aregifts for the ages, and only
something that I've spentminimal time dropping into the

(01:21:41):
feeling of it at as of now andand even now. Yes, it's moved
into the off season. But theseason ran long. I mean, here we
are in November. I mean, we justfinished and, but I also know
the way that time goes so fast,especially with a little one in

(01:22:06):
the house, the next season isgoing to be upon us in almost no
time, and in that same way thatI was describing, not allowing
myself to to make gains, only tosubtract somewhere else, like I
feel like, okay, I've I'vegotten, you know, my body and my
mind, more or less, in the rightplace to do what it what I want

(01:22:27):
it to do, what I don't want todo right now is go through this
holiday season and undo that.
Like I used to that kind of wasmy thing for a long time. Like,
I try to push, push, push,really hard through the season
with a lot of intensity. Andthen it's like, once that last
tournament's done, we hang upthe ski it's like, Ah, okay,

(01:22:49):
it's the holidays. It's time fora break. You know? I'll take all
of the indulgences and so on.
And look, I mean, absolutely, amI going to eat some Christmas
cookies and have some of thedelights off of the heavy hors
d'oeuvres platters that aregoing to be out, you know, at
Thanksgiving and Christmas. Ofcourse, am I going to stuff
myself on Thanksgiving night? Ofcourse, I am. I'm going to have
pie with ice cream and the wholegamut of things. But that used

(01:23:11):
to kind of be like a, you know,like a month and a half long,
you know, just kind of get onthe gravy train, and, you know,
get that sugar tooth going, letthat addiction kind of set in.
And I'm a little more committedthis year. And also, like, you
know, I kind of table some ofthe workouts and the intensity

(01:23:31):
be like, you know, what I'vebeen pushing I'm just going to
take some time off, whereasright now, I'm trying to find a
better middle ground, liketrying to keep up, you know, a
very solid nutrition regimen.
Don't have to be as strict aswhat I would be in the week of a
competition. But, you know, Idon't want to lose all that

(01:23:55):
steam. I don't want to have torebuild a body from a deficit
come January, I want to, youknow, have, I'll have some work
to do, but not dig a hole and,yeah, so that, and with the
workouts, it's like, I'm notgoing to put down the ski and
just fling myself into fullblown off season. You know,

(01:24:18):
let's see what Max deadliftslook like right now, sort of
mode that's unnecessary, but I'mnot going like, I've been on a
pretty good, you know, weeklytraining program at a level that
feels good for right now, likeactually building some some
strength, some mobility, butwithout taxing myself to the

(01:24:41):
point that come February, I'mgoing to poop out and feel
burned out from all of it, atleast, I hope that's kind of the
the middle path that I'mshooting for right now. So that
that, to me, kind of representsa different difference from the
past. And again, it's, it's kindof a calmer confidence from
feeling like I have thesomething closer. The recipe, I
still want more. But also, likethis is part of the way of doing

(01:25:04):
it. In past years, even lastyear, I'd say I let my appetites
take a little deeper hold than Iintend to, you know, this
November, December, I plan onenjoying, you know, and to your
milkshake analogy, like, whenI'm going to eat some some pie
and some cookies, I deservethose pies and cookies, and I'm

(01:25:26):
going to eat them when thetime's right, and they're going
to be good for me, darn it.
Everyone needs my my stepmotherin particular, makes some, a
whole array of deliciousChristmas cookies, and I'm going
to taste all of them numeroustimes. But that's what you
should do at Christmas. Like,those are, those are going to be
good for you, cookies and at thetime, yeah, at the time that is
that they're supposed to be.

(01:25:49):
What I'm not going to do is, youknow, sit here on a nightly
basis at my house and watchNetflix and go through tubs of
ice cream or something likethat. So, like, to me, it's with
that's not a big ask, a littlemore discipline and diligence,
with some treats along the way.
And that's already, I think,going to hopefully provide a bit
better momentum into the newyear, where, basically, then I

(01:26:12):
do hope to, you know, I lookforward to, like, firing up the
intensity, you know, carving thethe curving the sugar cravings
and ratcheting up the intensityof the workouts. With the idea,
in my mind, basically, that thisis the final year I've been
working myself when workinghard, doing this type of

(01:26:35):
training in the off season forlike, 16 years now, and you
know, but this is the final timeat at this level, and so let's
make it the best, the best oneat this level. Let's come in
strongest, healthiest, mostenergetic. I mean, I'm aware

(01:26:55):
that that gets harder as theyears go by, but I think as long
as I don't dig myself a deephole, and I kind of have some of
the mental and emotional boon ofknowing that I didn't do that,
I'm hoping to, you know, carrythat into a good winter time

(01:27:16):
training program, and then I'llbe looking forward to some point
in January, I hope to make a, atleast a short trip to Florida,
touch my ski, get out there, seewhat that feels like. And then
maybe some more in February, youknow, and then ultimately, we'll
be starting here in late Marchor early April.

Lynn (01:27:37):
So Interestingly though, as you're as you're speaking,
you're also peaking. I'm lookingat, okay, all these years of
skiing, but you've sort of foundthe formula, the recipe, as you
call it, and you're drivingtowards an end at the same time.
So help me reconcile those twothings that you know, as you're

(01:27:58):
peaking. You could be saying,and I'll skip, keep skiing as
long as I feel good. But you've,you've pretty much declared this
is you're going into, you know,this last year so, and there's
so much to the idea of planningfor an end as well. There's
something stoic about that,actually, because, you know, the

(01:28:20):
Stoics, you know, prepare fordeath. And I mentioned Maury,
yeah. And I very much am a bigfan of that, because I think we
only can live when we preparefor death, honestly. But Go, go,
like, riff on that a little bitabout as you've gotten the
recipe you're also planning toretire. What does that look like

(01:28:41):
for you? And why are you doingit then? Yeah,

Corey (01:28:43):
I mean, look, if, if I had come to this state of
affairs 10 years ago, then it'sfun to imagine what might have
been, but that wasn't my pathlike I'm, I'm, if nothing else,
I'm, I'm very it's taken me allof the mistakes and mishaps and
learnings to refine. I mean, alot of bad sourdough batches

(01:29:06):
have come out. A lot of discusshaped things that are that are
hard and stale and, you know,just amounted to nothing. You
know, I had to go through all ofthose to try to get some decent
loafs to come out. But I think,in essence, it's that the the
intensity and sense of purposeand intention that I plan to

(01:29:29):
bring through this off seasonand into next year is not one
that I think that I would everbecause I know that it's ending,
I will be able to apply thatmuch. Whereas, if this was open
ended, I'm like, well, let's seewhere it goes. Maybe, you know,
we'll keep at this for anotherthree or four years or whatever,
like, I wouldn't have the willto, I mean, some there's going

(01:29:54):
to be some suffering along thiswinter. I mean, in a good
calculated way, but just.
Disciplined, you know, deep in aworkout somewhere, some night
when I really want to open a boxof cookies or whatever that
might be, you know, I'm nottalking about bad, bad
suffering. I'm talking aboutjust the sacrifice type that's
that's moderate. But to be ableto to have a touchstone to say,

(01:30:19):
Nope, you know, we have a,there's a plan here, and I'm
going to stick with it, youknow, and it's in its full
expression. I don't, I don'thave it in me to do that to that
level for three more years. I'm39 years old, and I have a
little one, and we want to maybehave another little one. And

(01:30:41):
there's just too many otherthings in life to to try to
apply so much energy and timetowards this. And so now that I
want to be clear that thatdoesn't mean I will never ski
another pro tournament after thecoming year, but I'll never put

(01:31:02):
myself through like thisgauntlet that, yeah, that this
has been and this is going to benow again, because my life has
other facets that areultimately, many of them more
important, and it's a privilegethat I get to do this. I heard
one thing, and it was, came froma young kid. I don't remember.

(01:31:26):
He was like a race car driver orsomething, and he was like 16
years old 15. But he was sowise, and he said something that
that stuck with me, which was, Ihave to remember that I'm
privileged that I get to makethese sacrifices. And that's
really the case for me. I'm soprivileged that I have the

(01:31:49):
opportunity to be where I amnow, that I can make some
sacrifices towards these goals,like, if you know, if, whatever,
I broke my leg tomorrow, and Iwas never going to get to ski
again for some reason, like I'mstill going to have a good life.
It doesn't all hinge on this.
Like water skiing has been thisthread of my life, that it's

(01:32:10):
been a core thing, but I have somany other good things, and I'm
so fortunate for that. I'm sograteful for that, that it's
those things that allow me tomake sacrifice towards this
thing that I get to do, that Ihave the opportunity to do, and
and so I'm prepared to to goahead with that, and then I'm

(01:32:34):
interested to see again, back toa sense of curiosity in years to
come. I hope to remain healthy.
I mean, I've been doing I'vebeen working out and training
and trying to get to a higherlevel for a long time. I'm going
to try not to just turn into acouch potato, and it's like, I'm
never going to ski again. I'mgoing to be involved. I'm going
to be running my ski school. ButI basically, right now I'm in a

(01:33:01):
position where it's a 365 day ayear, 24/7 sort of obsession
that never fully turns off. Youknow, every every time I'm going
to eat a meal, I'm having somethoughts about, you know, and it
could be in the middle ofJanuary, you know, I'm thinking
about how it's going to affectme come, you know, September,

(01:33:23):
it's going to be nice to letsome of that go, and it's going
to be essential to let some ofthat go for my own quality of
life and for my sense of time tothere are many days where I will
force the training into myschedule, where it's not an easy
fit. You know, where you say, myson's home sick from school and,

(01:33:45):
you know, kind of have to justbe a parent and make him some
soup or whatever it is. I can'tlet down my guard that I'm still
striving towards something whereit'll be nice to just not or not
have the stress over it. It'slike, oh, I'm trying to straddle
these two worlds, like, can I bethe nurturing parent and the pro
athlete at the same time andfigure out where to strike the

(01:34:09):
right balance? It's just like,I'll be able to come down
clearly, much more clearly onone side of that, because
there's, there's some element ofstress in my life around this
every single day, and to divorcefrom that will be a relief when
the time is right, and so but inthe meanwhile, it's all the more

(01:34:34):
incentive to pack it in, notmiss a beat. You know, go all
out and, and then know that Ileft nothing on the table and
and remain curious. There areother elements mentioned the
workouts, because that's a clearexample of time when you need
discipline and motivation. ButI. Also need to remain open and

(01:34:59):
curious to what other elementscan I improve, and kind of keep
my my radar around what thoseare, and dig into them when I
find them in a way that when Idon't need to try to find the
tip of the spear, my experienceof daily living can just be a
lot more open to everythingthat's going on, including my

(01:35:23):
friendships and myrelationships. And I mean, I
feel like I sometimes have toput on my blinders and I get
into my little tunnel visionmode that's geared toward a
performance outcome, and I haveto say no sometimes to being
able to be at a family gatheringor, you know, and as time goes
on, more important moments withmy son, being able to coach his

(01:35:45):
sports teams and things likethat, and other other endeavors
that I'm simply curious aboutthat are beyond skiing. To try
to see if I can, you know, applymy hand to some other interests
that I have so for all thosereasons, it's going to there's
going to be, it's going to betime, I feel very, very good

(01:36:06):
about it now, even better aboutit, having had some success in
checking off some of those goalsthis year and and it'll be nice
to get to a place where skiingis for Fun, which is that's
basically a return to where itstarted. For me, it just started
out as something that was allfor fun, and that will be a

(01:36:26):
great place for it to land.

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