July 11, 2025 • 41 mins
In this episode of Crunchy Stewardship, cousins Katie Jones and Chrissy Rombach explore the significance of Vitamin D and sun exposure for overall health. They detail the synthesis of Vitamin D in the body and discuss the importance of cholesterol in this process. The hosts also focus on the pros and cons of sunscreen usage, the types of sunscreens to choose for minimal toxicity, and the controversial topic of sunglasses potentially causing more sunburn. They emphasize the interconnectedness of diet, sun exposure, and health, and caution against over-reliance on supplements. Throughout the discussion, they highlight practical steps for maintaining optimal Vitamin D levels and safe sun practices. They also share product recommendations and invite listeners to join their Facebook group, ‘Crunchy Christian Mamas on a Budget,’ for further discussion.
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Chapters:
00:00 Welcome to Crunchy Stewardship
01:03 Introduction to Today's Topic: Sun Health
01:28 The Science Behind Vitamin D Synthesis
07:46 Vitamin D and Skin Complexion
11:34 Maximizing Vitamin D Intake
20:24 The Importance of Non-Toxic Sunscreens
24:46 Choosing the Right Sunscreen
29:02 Sunscreen Ingredients to Avoid
39:42 The Sunglasses Debate
44:13 Conclusion and Community Engagement
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Katie (00:00):
Hey, and welcome to Crunchy Stewardship.
(00:02):
My name is Katie Jones.
Chrissy (00:04):
And my name is Chrissy Rombach We are two cousins who
are passionate about learningand sharing knowledge to equip
others to steward theirspiritual, mental, emotional,
financial, and physical healthin order to honor God in every
aspect of their lives.
Katie (00:19):
In our podcast, we take deep dives into what it means to
be a steward of our lives as Godoriginally intended for us with
the resources that he has givenus.
We look at topics like foodmedicine.
Finances, mental health, andlots more through a natural lens
and with a biblical foundation.
Chrissy (00:39):
Before we get started, if you have been enjoying our
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So today's episode, we are goingto be talking about.
(01:02):
Sunscreen vitamin D and sunburnsand sunglasses and sun health in
general.
Katie (01:10):
The sun.
Chrissy (01:11):
yeah, the sun, our best friend and also can be an enemy
at times depending on who youare and your complexion.
I kind of just wanted to startoff this episode just like
talking about, you know mesciencey, gotta talk about the
science behind why the sun isactually.
(01:31):
Good for us.
And so I wanted to talk through,um, how vitamin D is synthesized
in our body, because some peopleare like, oh, the sun touches my
skin and it makes my bonesstrong.
How what?
Or a lot of people just don'teven know what vitamin D does.
(01:51):
So I just wanna take a moment.
Go through that little, tidbit.
Funny enough, this was actuallyone of my favorite topics that
we studied in anatomy when I wasin college because, um, my
anatomy professor used cats anddogs in order to explain the
concept of vitamin D synthesisto us.
And it stuck.
(02:12):
And now I won't forget it.
So here we go.
The vitamin D synthesis pathway.
First and foremost, you needcholesterol.
Yes, cholesterol is importantfor vitamin D.
What a concept y'all.
All these statins, decreasingour cholesterol is in
interfering with our vitamin Dsynthesis and our bone health.
(02:32):
Crazy how it's all connected.
But anyways, so.
First off, we have a chemical ora compound called
dehydroholesterol which isformed in your skin from
cholesterol.
This is, um, the first processto vitamin D synthesis when Sun
rays specifically the UVB sunrays touch this
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dehydrocholesterol Itimmediately changes it to
cholecalciferol, which is theinactive form of vitamin D, also
known as vitamin D3 This is thekind of vitamin D that you would
take in a supplement if you wereto be taking vitamin D
supplements.
But um, so it's the inactiveform of vitamin D three.
Once that is created in theskin, it then.
(03:17):
Seeps into the bloodstream, getsmoved around your body.
This is the simplified version,by the way.
It goes to your liver andchemistry happens and it gets
changed into Calcidiol and thenit goes back into your
bloodstream and goes to yourkidneys, and chemistry happens
again and it's converted intoCalcitriol And then after it's
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converted into Calcitriol, thatCalcitriol goes back into your
bloodstream, goes into the smallintestines, and stimulates the
re release of Calbindin, whichis the calcium binding protein
in the small intestine.
To actually absorb calcium fromyour diet and then it leads to
stronger bones.
(03:59):
So, um, within the vitamin Dpathway, first you got
cholesterol, you need it, itcomes from your diet.
Then if you don't havecholesterol, you can't make the
vitamin D.
If you can't make the vitamin D,you can't absorb calcium and
then your bones get weak.
So.
Um, yeah, it's, it's allinterconnected and the diet and
the sun and your strength is.
(04:21):
All one thing and it'sbeautiful.
And just a funny little sidenote that is sort of irrelevant,
but I'm gonna say it anyways.
Um, calbindin that calciumbinding protein in the small
intestine, when we learned aboutit in my anatomy class, that was
the dog.
And so I've always thought thatthat's gonna be the best dog
name.
You know, Calbindin Callie forshort.
(04:43):
Anyways, I don't think we'reever gonna get a dog, but we'll
see.
Katie (04:46):
I kind of like that dog name, but I, I know for a
hundred percent fact that wewill never have a dog.
Wes likes to remind me all thetime that we will never have a
dog because gosh, they are somessy.
And a lot of times when I'maround dogs, I'm reminded that
I'm not really a dog personeither, but you know, that's
okay.
We will have all the chickens inthe world.
(05:09):
Maybe some goats and maybe someducks and turkeys I'm sorry, dog
lovers.
I know it can be reallyoffensive when I tell people
that we're never gonna have adog because people are like, oh
my gosh, you're the worst personin the world.
So I apologize.
I, I am actually a pretty niceperson.
Chrissy (05:24):
I still believe cats are superior, although right now
we are dog sitting and the dogwe are babysitting right now is
a service dog.
So she has made me really likedogs more, but I think that's
just because she's exceptionallywell behaved because she's an
actual service dog.
Katie (05:42):
So, okay.
So vitamin D obviously isessential for life and, and I, I
love what you're saying and kindof what we always come back to
with a lot of our conversationsis that God did design all of
the world and us to workperfectly together.
And so it's not like.
(06:03):
He designed it and we needed tocome in and fix what he
originally put together and putinto place here on this earth.
And it's like, okay, he had thisin mind that the sun was
necessary for life, for allliving things, including us and
plants and animals and so weneed to learn how to use it
effectively, but at the sametime.
(06:26):
The sun can be somewhatdamaging, if we are exposed a
little bit too much to it, butlet's talk a little bit about
getting the right amounts ofvitamin D because.
Uh, what I have learned is thatso many of us, especially here
in the United States, have asevere vitamin D deficiency,
(06:46):
probably due to the fact that wespend a lot more of our time
inside.
And then I also feel likethere's a lot of like.
Fearmongering around the sunbecause a lot of people are
like, don't go into the sun,it's gonna give you skin cancer.
And while that's also true, wedo need the sun.
So do you have any tips for usor information that we can start
(07:07):
with on like, how much should weget and how do we get vitamin D
and, and how do we balance thatall?
Chrissy (07:15):
Yeah, so the speed of vitamin D synthesis and the
speed of getting burned by thesun quite literally, has a lot
to do with a person'scomplexion.
I.
So people who have darker skintones tend to not burn nearly as
quickly.
But with that, it also takeslonger for their skin to start
to produce that inactive VitaminD3 from the U-V-D-U-V-D mm, from
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the UVB light touching thedehydrocholesterol in their
skin.
On the opposite side of thespectrum.
People with lighter complexionswho are incredibly pale, can be
in the sun for 15 minutes andget sunburned.
They tend to produce thatinactive vitamin D much quicker
than those darker complexionpeople.
(08:04):
And so that is one thing to keepin mind is it's not a one size
fits all sort of situation.
Every single person is going tobe different because every
person's skin respondsdifferently to the sun.
Um.
When it comes to absorbingvitamin D, though, the quote
unquote solar panels of the bodyare actually the abdomen and the
(08:24):
thighs.
Those are the places where, um,the sunlight is absorbed more
easily.
I don't know if it's for.
An accurate representation or anaccurate theory, but my theory
is that those are the parts ofthe body that don't often get as
much sun, and so they generallyhave a little
Katie (08:43):
Yeah.
Chrissy (08:43):
bit of a lighter complexion than say your arms or
your face or the lower parts ofyour legs.
I just think of the, the tanthat I had in high school when I
was lifeguarding.
It was like the shorts tan, youknow?
And then my knees were
Katie (08:56):
Mm-hmm.
Chrissy (08:56):
always like super dark and my feet were super dark, but
everything in between was not,it was a fun time.
Katie (09:03):
It's weird that that is like the areas that are kind of
the best.
I, I've heard that too.
Now that you say that and I'mlike, oh yeah, my friend did
mention that to me.
But, you know, I've been, asI've gotten older and matured
and everything, I, I tend towear more modest swimsuits that
do cover my stomach and mythighs and stuff.
So I'm like, Hmm, that's kind ofinteresting.
(09:24):
If those are the quote unquotesolar panels that will absorb
the vitamin D better.
Chrissy (09:30):
I tend to go outside in my backyard and I'll like lift
up my shirt and lift up myshorts so my abdomen and my
thighs are just baking.
Katie (09:40):
I bet your neighbors love that.
Chrissy (09:42):
uh, I don't actually know if they can see me, we have
really tall bushes around our,patio so like They might not
actually be able to see me allthat much where I'm sitting, but
if they do see me, they'reprobably like, what the heck is
this chick doing?
But anyways, I digress.
Um, so yeah, I think just to getback to it, it's important to
figure out what kind of skintone you have and how your body
(10:03):
reacts to that vitamin D or tothe sun in general.
If you tend to burn faster,maybe only stay outside for 15
minutes before.
Covering up, or if you tend tonot burn nearly as much, you can
stay outside for much longer,30, 45 minutes, maybe even an
hour before your skin starts tobe damaged from that sun.
Um, the damage really comes withtime and vitamin D synthesis
(10:26):
comes before the damage.
And so, um, it's your job to payattention to your body and to
figure out where, when is theappropriate time for you to get
out of the sun or to put onsunscreen.
Which kind of leads us into thenext part of this conversation
is talking about sunscreen ingeneral and the things to look
(10:49):
out for the toxicities that wecan get from sunscreen on
accident and, um, importantthings to know when choosing
sunscreens.
Katie (10:59):
Before we actually jump into sunscreens, I wanted to
share something that I learnedabout vitamin D, especially
moving to.
A place, um, up north.
So now we're in Michigan versusColorado.
That's a very sunny place.
Colorado's, you know, known forhaving lots and lots of sunshine
throughout the year, even in thewinter months.
(11:19):
But here in Michigan, comeOctober through April-ish.
It is very cloudy and overcastand obviously snowy throughout
the winter and very cold.
And we don't see the sun a lothere.
Um.
And so I've been a littlenervous about my Vitamin D
(11:41):
intake and everything because Ido know, if the, um, UV index is
below three, isn't it true likeyour body doesn't produce
vitamin D properly, so.
I know in Colorado there's onlya few months of the year that
your body can't actually producevitamin D naturally, so you have
to kind of get it other ways.
And so I've been kind oflearning a little bit more about
(12:03):
like, what do I do here inMichigan?
Especially because it is so muchdarker for longer periods of
time here.
And so I learned a little bitmore about taking cod liver oil.
And so we actually, I startedtaking it, we started taking it,
um, in the winter in Coloradofor the, the few months where
the UV index just does not getabove three.
(12:25):
And, the brand that we.
Have been using was recommendedby my friend, it's called Nordic
Naturals, Arctic Cod liver oil.
Yeah, they make it in bothliquid form as well as capsules,
and then they have'em likeflavored.
But I don't know about that.
I got the unflavored stuffbecause strawberry cod liver oil
sounds very strange to me.
(12:45):
So that is not happening, atleast for me.
Who knows?
Maybe Malakai will like it oneday.
Chrissy (12:51):
does the cod liver oil like actually taste like cod
oil, liver combo?
Katie (12:58):
So I actually haven't tried the liquid form.
The one that I got is consideredunflavored, but the capsules
that Wes and I have been taking,they, they have like a slight
like.
Tinge of fishiness to it, butit's not like nasty.
You just kind of pop it andswallow it and you make it a
(13:20):
tiny bit of an aftertaste, butit's not like I've definitely
taken some fish oil stuff thathas been really fishy and you
can like smell it when you openthe bottle and this one isn't as
bad, I would say.
So yeah, actually there's thisapp that I use occasionally.
Called D Minder, and it helpsyou.
(13:41):
Track how much vitamin D you'regetting by like putting in your
amount of time in the sun alsolike how much clothing you're
wearing.
So if you're wearing like longsleeves and pants in the sun,
your body isn't absorbing asmuch vitamin D while you're
outside.
So you can like put in like howcloudy is it and what kind of
clothes are you wearing and allthis stuff.
And then based on your location,it'll tell you how much vitamin
(14:03):
D you're getting.
But then you can also put inthere.
The supplements you're taking oreven the certain foods that
you're eating that have vitaminD, which I think are like fish.
Do you know any other foods thathave like vitamin D like
naturally in it?
Chrissy (14:15):
I know eggs do.
Katie (14:17):
really?
Chrissy (14:17):
I've, I've actually used that app a few times also.
Um.
And I, I was very good atdocumenting my breakfast,
vitamin D intake, intake
Katie (14:27):
Mm-hmm.
Chrissy (14:27):
Um, but one thing I also really love about that app
is it can give you reminders asto like when the sun is at its
peak where you are.
So you, uh, input your locationand it'll give you a
notification when the UV levelgets above three, and then it'll
give you a notification when thesun is reaching its quote
(14:49):
unquote high noon or peak pointof the day so that you can
maximize your vitamin D intakein a shorter amount of time.
Because as the UV index goes up,the faster you absorb the
vitamin D and vice versa.
Katie (15:03):
Yeah, right now when I open it up, it says here where
I'm at, the UVI is six and it'sonly like 10:30 in the morning
here in Michigan.
And it gives you like the ozoneamount and.
Even like the current angle ofthe sun here.
I've never, like I've, I'velooked at it a few times.
But yeah, I, I haven't used itto, its full like effect, but
(15:26):
I've heard really good thingsabout it and I check in with it
every now and then.
So we'll link to this in theshow notes as well as like any
of the.
Products that we recommend andstuff.
So if you're looking to checkthose out, um, so like that cod
liver oil that we use, I'll putthat in there.
Chrissy (15:43):
One other thing that I think is pretty cool about this,
D-Minder app is you can inputyour skin type.
When you open the apporiginally, you can tell them
Katie (15:52):
Mm-hmm.
Chrissy (15:53):
what kind of skin type you have, and so that they put
that into the calculations ofhow much, um, vitamin D you
would absorb through the timethat you spend outside.
Katie (16:04):
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Like if you.
Do know that you have a vitaminD deficiency or if you want to
find out a little bit more aboutyour intake of Vitamin D and if
you are getting a sufficientamount, this app can be really
helpful in figuring that outinstead of going and taking a
test and stuff.
Obviously, if you are reallyconcerned going to your doctor
(16:25):
and actually.
Getting some labs done todetermine that would be
important.
But this can at least give you agood gauge if you are actually
receiving enough Vitamin D.
But I actually, I read a book alittle while ago.
I didn't love the book.
I don't recommend it, but I'llmention it just because I
learned a little bit more aboutthe vitamin D in general, but
the book is the Vitamin D cureand.
(16:47):
They basically talked about theimportance of vitamin D and how
vitamin D can really impact somany areas of your health and
how important it is and howcrucial it is to be getting a
sufficient amount.
Um, and that I.
In general, most of us have avitamin D deficiency to some
degree, whether it's severe ornot, and, and that was one of
(17:08):
the big things that I picked upfrom this book, so that's, you
don't have to go read it.
There you go.
That's it in a nutshell is likeyou likely have a vitamin D
deficiency, so you shouldprobably start to get outside a
lot more, especially now that weare in.
The middle of the summer as thispodcast comes out, it's um,
likely like mid to late July andit's a great time to be getting
(17:30):
vitamin D.
And one thing I've learnedactually from this book, and I
don't know if this is true ornot, but it sounds like you can
never overdose on vitamin Dbecause the way that your body
like stores it and utilizes it,it almost again, like God
planned it perfectly because somuch of the world does not
receive the sunlight that isneeded in order to produce the
(17:52):
vitamin D necessary in themiddle of winter.
And so in the summer when you'regetting lots and lots of vitamin
D, your body apparently, again,don't quote me on this.
This is, I think I read it inthis book, but your body stores
it up in a way that it can kindof.
Utilize it through the winter aswell when you're only able to
get vitamin D from your foodsources, because I guess that
(18:14):
the vitamin D that you'regetting from the food sources
isn't as like bioavailable orit's not as.
Like it's a different form, Iguess.
Like kind of what you weresaying, Chrissy, it's like
different forms of vitamin D,vitamin D3 and something else.
But anyway, it's like God reallydid plan these things well.
He actually thought you have thesummertime when you're getting
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lots and lots of vitamin D, butthen you have winter time when
you're not receiving as muchvitamin D But now Chrissy, let's
talk about sunscreen andprotecting ourselves from the
sun because while we do needlots of sunshine in order to get
appropriate amounts of vitaminD, we also need to be careful to
protect our skin in themeantime.
(18:58):
So do you wanna kick us off onour sunscreen conversation?
Chrissy (19:02):
Yes, sunscreen.
Actually, before we do, justwanna add one more thing about
the vitamin D.
Um, last year when I got myblood tested at my like annual
primary care.
appointment, my vitamin D levelswere on the lower side of
normal, which was significantlylower than the year prior, and
my doctor recommended a VitaminD supplement, and then I started
(19:24):
thinking about it the first yearthat I went to the primary care
physician here in NorthCarolina.
I got my blood drawn afterhaving like four or five days
off of work and I was constantlyoutside.
I was in the sun.
I was doing yard work.
The second year that I went andgot my blood drawn was the day
after working three in a row,and my vitamin D levels were
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significantly lower.
This is one thing that kind ofbothers me a little bit is
instead of telling me like, Hey,go spend some more time outside,
try to implement vitamin D inyour diet, things like that.
My doctor just said, here, takea supplement.
that was it.
And she didn't like explain howto get more vitamin D in my
(20:05):
diet.
So if your vitamin D is low,just go outside guys.
Katie (20:08):
This is something that my friend also mentioned to me was
that.
You really should only take thesupplement when you don't have
any other choice, right?
Because if it is the middle ofwinter and it's so dark and
maybe you're not able to go andget as many fresh eggs and good.
Fish or anything like that, thena supplement should be your last
(20:30):
resort in that case.
And even at that guys, when we,when we talk about like eggs and
fish and things like that, ifyou are just getting
conventional eggs from thestore, they are.
Much lower in the vitamins andnutrients that you need because
they're, they're conventionallygrown.
You want to have the pastureraised organic eggs from the
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grocery store.
'cause they're going to be much,much higher in vitamin D and in
all the other good stuff thatyou need And one of the ways you
really know that they have asufficient diet, like, and they
are full of the vitamins andnutrients you need.
Is if it is not a vegetariandiet for the chicken.
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So if you ever see any packagingfor whether it's actual meat,
like chicken, meat, or eggs, andit says vegetarian raised
chickens.
That is a sign that they are notgetting their full diet.
'cause believe it or not,chickens are not vegetarians.
They are omnivores.
They eat bugs, they eat, theywill actually eat meat.
(21:34):
They eat chicken meat, which iscrazy.
They eat like Turkey, they eatliterally all of our leftovers
of any sort, and it's necessaryto get all of that.
So, moral of the story, don'teat vegetarian chicken.
Chrissy (21:46):
And good eggs taste better too, so it's worth it.
Katie (21:50):
They do
Chrissy (21:50):
Okay, now
Katie (21:51):
okay.
Chrissy (21:52):
Actually officially transition to talking about
sunscreen.
Now that we
Katie (21:56):
Officially.
Chrissy (21:57):
into our sunscreen episode, we're finally gonna
start talking about sunscreen.
Katie (22:01):
Yay.
Chrissy (22:02):
Yay.
Okay, so sunscreen.
Ah, it is very sad becausepeople didn't use to get skin
cancer the way that we now getskin cancer.
people also didn't use to wearsunscreen.
The way that we now are told towear sunscreen.
and so I just want to go throughand talk about some of the risks
(22:25):
and things to look out for andred flags and green flags about
sunscreen in terms ofingredients and amount and the
process of making the sunscreenand everything like that.
So, um, I think first off, weshould probably talk about what
kind of sunscreen you shouldlook for So there's two
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different types of UV rays.
There's UVA and UVB, broadspectrum sunscreens.
Should cover both the UVA Suns.
Uh, the UVA rays are the onesthat are responsible for more
skin damage.
They're responsible for aging,and they're the ones that are
actually more often than not,not covered by sunscreen.
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UVB is the sun rays that areresponsible for your typical
sunburn And because the typicalsunburn is the effect that you
see from the sun moreimmediately.
That's the one that's morelikely to be covered by a
sunscreen if it's not broadspectrum.
but it's important to look at,look for a sunscreen that covers
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both UVA and UVB because youwanna prevent that damage and
aging from your skin that you'regonna see in the long term, and
you wanna prevent the sunburnthat you're going to get in the
short term.
They have done a lot of studieson different ingredients in
sunscreen and things like that.
There's like, oh, how much isit, Katie?
Is it like 10 or 12 normalactive ingredients that they use
(23:54):
to make sunscreen?
Katie (23:56):
Yeah, it really should only be a few.
Chrissy (23:58):
Well, no, but I mean in terms of like all the sunscreens
that are out there.
Katie (24:02):
Oh, the, the not good ones.
Chrissy (24:05):
Yeah, including the not good ones.
I think
Katie (24:07):
Um, yeah, maybe.
I'm actually not sure on that.
Chrissy (24:11):
there's quite a few.
Ingredients that are used insunscreens to prevent the sun's
rays from damaging your skin.
And I don't know if y'all's, ifour listeners' parents ever did
this to them as a child, butgrowing up when my mom told us
to put on sunscreen, she said,put on sunscreen.
And then you have to wait 15minutes before you go in the
(24:33):
pool.
'cause you want it to absorbinto your skin.
And now thinking back, I'm like.
That's actually so horriblebecause these, the active
ingredient in the sunscreen isincredibly toxic for us.
And so the ones that absorb intoour skin then get into our
bloodstream and can affect ourhormone levels and can affect
our digestion and our mentationand all of that.
Katie (24:57):
Especially in the middle of summer when you are sweating
a lot, your pores are just wideand open, and anything that is
going on in your body in thatmoment is being.
So easily absorbed.
And so that's why it's even morescary we are putting ourselves
at such like in such avulnerable state and it's, yeah,
(25:19):
it is just so crazy looking backand you're like, now that we
know all this, you're like, ohmy gosh.
Chrissy (25:23):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, um, I actually looked at astudy that, I believe it was the
FDA did this study and theylooked at different types of
sunscreens and how much eachkind of sunscreen was absorbed
into the skin.
They had a group of participantswear different kinds of
sunscreen for 30 days.
And then after 30 days, theytested their blood to see how
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much of that active ingredientwas inside their bloodstream.
at the end of the study, therewere only two active ingredients
in sunscreen that were notsignificantly absorbed into the
skin.
And those two were zinc oxideand titanium dioxide.
Now sunscreens that are createdwith these two.
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Minerals are known as mineralsunscreens.
They are usually much better foryou because those active
ingredients don't actually soakinto your skin.
So it decreases the chances ofthem getting into your
bloodstream and causing more ofthose systemic issues.
these sunscreens unfortunately,in terms of a cosmetic
standpoint, do tend to be alittle bit thicker and they tend
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to be a little bit.
Like oilier, like heavy on theskin because they don't absorb
into the skin.
Katie (26:36):
I never actually really thought about that, but you're
right, the, like zinc, uh,lotions that we have,
Chrissy (26:42):
mm-hmm.
Katie (26:43):
just look like a white.
They make us look white, aghosty, pasty, you know?
And it is, Wes really hates it,but it's funny because it's
like, oh, it's not absorbed.
Chrissy (26:52):
right?
I always think of like grandpaon the beach with his white
nose, you know?
But that's the kind of sunscreenthat's actually better for us
because it doesn't get absorbedinto our skin.
Another thing that's actuallyimportant to, um, recognize
about sunscreen is whether ornot it has vitamin A added to
it.
So other
Katie (27:12):
Hmm.
Chrissy (27:13):
A is retinol, retinol, acetate and retinol.
linoleate and retinal palmitatePalmin Palmitate.
the vitamin A crazy enough isactually broken down by
sunlight, so it can denature thesunscreen altogether and make it
ineffective.
also when it's absorbed into.
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Your skin, it can lead toosteoporosis and liver damage
and um, brittle nails and hairloss, which, um, actually I am
just now realizing that all ofthose are related to calcium
levels.
Crazy.
Katie (27:53):
Isn't retinol the stuff that you shouldn't be using when
you're pregnant anyway?
Right.
Is that right?
Chrissy (27:59):
I've never heard that possibly.
Katie (28:01):
I feel like it's one of those, like I, I think retinol
is that like anti-aging agent
Chrissy (28:06):
Mm-hmm.
Katie (28:07):
in a lot of like skincare products and I think when you're
pregnant they recommend notusing it.
That just sounds like somethingthat I read at some point while
I was pregnant, but I don'tknow.
Chrissy (28:17):
You know, I think looking at things that are
recommended to not use duringpregnancy, I think is a good
outline on.
Good idea to look at, even ifyou're not pregnant, because my
thought is, if I'm not supposedto use these products or eat
these things while I'm pregnantbecause it could potentially
harm the baby, what kind of harmcould it potentially do to my
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own body if I'm not pregnant?
Katie (28:45):
Yeah.
Chrissy (28:46):
I just,
Katie (28:46):
like, if it's so toxic for an infant, is it actually
toxic for me too?
Yeah.
I never knew about the vitamin Astuff, but I, I've been trying
to learn as much as I can aboutsunscreen because I, I also have
talked with some people who arelike, oh, you shouldn't cover up
with sunscreen.
In general because you want thevitamin D, but I really still
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think that like you want to, Imean, kind of like you said
earlier, if you're out in thesun for a certain amount of
time, like more than 15 plusminutes, it really is important
to protect yourself.
But you really want.
Non-toxic stuff and it often isthe, the sunscreen that makes
you kind of look more like aghost.
(29:30):
And it's okay, but it'sprotecting you better than the
one that's gonna keep youlooking good because it's like
absorbing into your skin thoughI did recently learn about a
sunscreen, I think it's the onefrom Primally Pure.
It's super expensive, but it'smade with beef tallow.
And so the tallow with the zinc,it goes on a little bit clearer
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from my understanding, and Idon't know this from experience,
I think I just stumbled upon anad for it, but it's super
expensive.
So if you're into that, you candefinitely check it out.
But, EWG, we've talked aboutthem before.
They're the environmentalworking group.
They also put out the Clean 15and the Dirty Dozen list for
foods like fruits and veggies.
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They also are known for having asunscreen list of, you know,
sunscreens that are super safethat they, put their stamp of
approval on.
we can link to that becausethey, actually.
Give you a handful of them thatare a little bit more affordable
because a lot of these mineralsunscreens tend to be a bit more
expensive, because they're notas toxic.
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They're not using all theseterrible ingredients in it that
are harming you.
They're actually protecting youa little bit more.
We switched recently, Theproduct that I am using, and I'm
actually, I, I'm holding itright in front of me.
I did not notice this until thisvery second as I'm staring at
it, but it actually, Chrissy, ithas an EWG stamp of approval in
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the top corner here, which is socrazy.
I did not realize that untilthis very second.
But
Chrissy (31:05):
fantastic.
Katie (31:06):
Now you're all like, what is this?
What is this brand?
Um, I think it's pronouncedBabo.
It's BABO Botanicals, and theyhave a handful of different
mineral sunscreens.
I am currently holding their.
Broad spectrum SPF 50 and it'swater resistant for 80 minutes.
We also got their facesunscreen, they have like a
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stick as well as a cream,.
for Malakai I've been using thisbrand called.
Babyganics, like literally it'slike the word organics, but
instead of o in front of it,it's baby and it is Bobby
approved, but it has an EWGrating of three, so it's, it's
not on like the best.
End of the spectrum but it isstill like a green rating for
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EWG.
we are going to continuepotentially using this with
Malakai we actually, I had twobottles of it and I accidentally
had one in my purse while wewent through customs recently,
and so they took the bottlebecause it was liquid.
So I was like, well, I guessthat's one way to get rid of a
bottle accidentally.
So that was kind of humorous.
'cause Wes and I.
(32:11):
Just the day before that we'retalking about switching
sunscreens for Malakai and he'slike, you just recently bought
like two new bottles.
And I was like, yeah, but Idon't wanna harm my baby.
And then they took that one awayand I was like, I, I promise I
did not do this on purpose.
I did not purposely put it inhere for them to take it away.
I literally didn't even knowthat we had it with us.
So kind of funny.
(32:32):
But those are the two I'm using.
Are you using any specific ones,Chrissy?
Chrissy (32:36):
Before I actually get to that, I actually think, and
you know, that EWG gives ratingsbased on level of toxicity of
items and the ingredients inproducts.
I think one way that Even thougha sunscreen or a beauty product
might have a rating of three outof 10, 10 is the worst.
EWG certified is like a zero.
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I think it, it's important toactually go into the website and
look at specifically whatingredient are they saying is
quote unquote bad
Katie (33:05):
Mm.
Chrissy (33:06):
and what's the reason that it's bad, you know?
'cause some of them they'll say,oh, it's really bad because it
has a high risk of allergies.
Well, if you're not allergic toit then you shouldn't have a
problem with it.
You know, it's just an, aningredient that more people tend
to be allergic to.
So, um, yeah, maybe just like goin and look at it, like why is
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this rated a three as opposed toEWG certified?
And then you can decide foryourself whether or not it's a
risk that you personally arewilling to take.
Because like we've said numeroustimes over, this is all a
personalized, Process andjourney that we are all on to
live healthier and what worksfor some people won't work for
other people.
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And so that's important.
Speaking of what works with somepeople and not works with other
people.
I don't wear sunscreen the vastmajority of the time.
I
Katie (33:57):
Dun, dun.
duuuunnnnn
Chrissy (34:00):
I can't stand the way it feels on my face.
I can't stand the way it feelson my skin.
I will literally only put onsunscreen if I'm going to the
beach or to the pool in themiddle of the day, but going on
a walk in the middle of the day,I don't wear sunscreen.
I don't put lotion on my face.
my beauty products in generalare so incredibly limited.
Literally this morning I wasdressed all cute and then I went
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to the mirror I was about to puton mascara and I was like, nah,
I just don't want to
Katie (34:27):
Nah.
Chrissy (34:28):
to.
So I am a very, uh, minimalistwhen it comes to anything beauty
products and things that I puton my skin.
So, no, I don't wear sunscreenon a daily basis.
Um, although recently I did goto the beach and I I started
learning about.
These, sunscreen toxicities onmy way home from the beach after
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lathering myself with the toxicsunscreen that we already had
Katie (34:55):
Of course.
Chrissy (34:56):
in the house.
Right?
And of course, the aerosolizedone too, like the spray, which
increases your risk of breathingit in, which is no.
bueno and after going to thebeach, I went up to Max and I
said, Hey, so.
We have to change something.
He goes, oh, I was like, oursunscreen.
He said, I was waiting for youto come up with that one.
(35:17):
It's like he knows the things inthe house that I'm going to
figure out are toxic and he justlike waits for me to figure it
out.
And then as soon as I figure itout, he's like, yep.
All right.
So we'll put it in the budgetfor next month for you to buy
new sunscreen and we'll figureout how to get rid of this stuff
even though we never usesunscreen.
And so, That's in the budgetnext month to buy different
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kinds of sunscreen becauseliterally every single one that
we have is not good,
Katie (35:43):
pretty much all of your traditional, like the banana
boats and all that stuff, I, I,for the most part are.
All really not great.
My sister recommended one Ithink it was like something Bum,
beach bum, something bum.
And it actually was a good one.
I looked it up and it wasconsidered, Bobby approved and I
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think EWG had some forms of itthat were.
On the green spectrum.
I can't remember if it wascompletely EWG verified, but,
um, I was pleasantly surprisedabout that.
'cause I was like, that was abrand that I had heard of
previously.
Chrissy (36:17):
I do know also Neutrogena, while the vast
majority of Neutrogena sunscreenis not great for you, they do
have a mineral line and themineral sunscreen by Neutrogena
is decent and is rated well onEWG.
So.
That's one thing to keep inmind.
I did find that one sold at ourgrocery store.
Was it more expensive than allthe rest of them?
(36:39):
Absolutely.
But it's good for you.
Katie (36:42):
Well, the last thing I wanted to mention before we end
this podcast episode is that aninteresting thing that I have
learned recently is thatsunglasses might actually be
causing us to burn.
More easily, which is so insaneto me because I have always been
taught that like sunglassesprotect your eyes from the sun
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obviously and from gettingburned and from all the stuff.
However, and, and I don't knowhow true this is yet, it's
something that I have justrecently in the last couple
months heard, and I have notdived into too much, but I have
heard that your sunglasses blockyour eyes from.
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Basically gauging how much likeUV is actually happening.
And then there's something inyour eyeballs, like some sort of
receptors that then tell therest of your body to produce a
certain hormone in the skin tothen protect itself from
actually getting burned.
Now, at first I was like, well,that kind of sounds crazy, but
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then you think about forgenerations, like literally
thousands of years.
People did not wear sunglassesand yet they weren't like
getting all these crazy issueswith getting burnt and you know,
they were working in the fieldsconstantly.
Like that's what people did fortheir livelihoods is they like
farmed.
And people, I assume likeweren't getting like.
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Really bad skin cancers andthings like that.
And so I've been learning thingsabout sunglasses that maybe we
shouldn't be using them as oftenand as frequently when we go
outside, especially when we'reout there for long periods of
time.
And your Eyes need to actuallyreceive the full amounts of
light in order to tell the bodyto then produce a certain
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hormone that protects it fromgetting burnt as easily.
So I don't know how true it isyet, and I've been seeing more
about it lately, but also thefact that like.
Sunglasses basically block youreyes from like, like impacts
your circadian rhythm and, andso you also don't wanna wear
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sunglasses for that reason.
I don't know.
I've always been a sunglasseswearer.
So what are your thoughts onthat, Chrissy?
Chrissy (38:57):
Um, my thoughts are I have blue eyes and sunglasses
are a lifesaver sometimes.
So I also have heard recently,um, some.
Not quite nearly as much as whatyou've heard about sunglasses,
but I've heard more so along thelines of people figuring out how
to prevent your eyes from beingso incredibly sensitive to the
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sun.
And one of the strategies that Ihave heard is waking up with the
sunrise and going outside.
Katie (39:28):
Yeah.
Chrissy (39:29):
So that your eyes have like the gradual increase of
light that slowly but surelymakes them like more okay with
the light.
Whereas if you go from like yourdark bedroom smack into like
11:00 AM sun
Katie (39:45):
Mm-hmm.
Chrissy (39:46):
it's more like shocking to your eyes and so they hurt
more and especially me as ablue-eyed person.
I just like can't open my eyesoutside if I do that.
But I have been outsiderecently, like at sunrise or
closer to sunrise, and thosedays I'm much more able to
tolerate the sun.
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Throughout the day than normal.
I still have not quite figuredout how to drive without
sunglasses at peak sun
Katie (40:13):
Mm-hmm.
Chrissy (40:13):
because the sunlight like reflects off of the road
and then reflects off mydashboard and reflects off my
windshield also somehow, andjust hurts my eyes a lot.
But that could also be myastigmatism speaking so
Katie (40:28):
Yeah.
Chrissy (40:28):
other problems
Katie (40:29):
Why?
That's the same thing.
I, I think sunglasses have aplace where, like driving is my
one thing too.
Like especially at certain hoursof the day when it's just like
blinding you and it's like,well, I need to be able to see
to safely drive so.
But I am trying to train myselfto use them less and it's kind
of crazy'cause basicallysunglasses were like another
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part of my outfit every day.
It's a little different for meand I'm not quite sure how I
feel about it yet.
But We'll stay tuned.
Maybe I'll update you later onhow it's going this summer.
'cause it is sunny
Chrissy (41:01):
we could maybe do like a long-term sunglasses review.
Katie (41:05):
Ooh.
Chrissy (41:06):
Or maybe not.
Katie (41:07):
Or maybe not.
Who knows?
We'll see.
Well, okay, Chrissy, we've beenchatting for a long time.
I know this is an importanttopic for a lot of us.
So let us know your thoughtsabout sunscreen and vitamin D
and if you have any thoughts onthis whole sunglasses thing, um,
join us in our Facebook group,crunchy Cri Christian Mamas on a
Budget, and share with us whatyou're thinking about it and,
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uh, what sunscreens you're usingthis summer.
And if there's ones that youenjoy, we'd love to hear from
you.
So join us over there.
Chrissy (41:36):
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hope that these EPI episodes canbe helpful in your journey to
becoming a better steward ofyour body, your mind, your soul,
your spirit, your finances, andyour families.
We are praying that this episodewas helpful for you and we will
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Katie (41:53):
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So today's episode, we are goingto be talking about.
(01:02):
Sunscreen vitamin D and sunburnsand sunglasses and sun health in
general.
Katie (01:10):
The sun.
Chrissy (01:11):
yeah, the sun, our best friend and also can be an enemy
at times depending on who youare and your complexion.
I kind of just wanted to startoff this episode just like
talking about, you know mesciencey, gotta talk about the
science behind why the sun isactually.
(01:31):
Good for us.
And so I wanted to talk through,um, how vitamin D is synthesized
in our body, because some peopleare like, oh, the sun touches my
skin and it makes my bonesstrong.
How what?
Or a lot of people just don'teven know what vitamin D does.
(01:51):
So I just wanna take a moment.
Go through that little, tidbit.
Funny enough, this was actuallyone of my favorite topics that
we studied in anatomy when I wasin college because, um, my
anatomy professor used cats anddogs in order to explain the
concept of vitamin D synthesisto us.
And it stuck.
(02:12):
And now I won't forget it.
So here we go.
The vitamin D synthesis pathway.
First and foremost, you needcholesterol.
Yes, cholesterol is importantfor vitamin D.
What a concept y'all.
All these statins, decreasingour cholesterol is in
interfering with our vitamin Dsynthesis and our bone health.
(02:32):
Crazy how it's all connected.
But anyways, so.
First off, we have a chemical ora compound called
dehydroholesterol which isformed in your skin from
cholesterol.
This is, um, the first processto vitamin D synthesis when Sun
rays specifically the UVB sunrays touch this
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dehydrocholesterol Itimmediately changes it to
cholecalciferol, which is theinactive form of vitamin D, also
known as vitamin D3 This is thekind of vitamin D that you would
take in a supplement if you wereto be taking vitamin D
supplements.
But um, so it's the inactiveform of vitamin D three.
Once that is created in theskin, it then.
(03:17):
Seeps into the bloodstream, getsmoved around your body.
This is the simplified version,by the way.
It goes to your liver andchemistry happens and it gets
changed into Calcidiol and thenit goes back into your
bloodstream and goes to yourkidneys, and chemistry happens
again and it's converted intoCalcitriol And then after it's
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converted into Calcitriol, thatCalcitriol goes back into your
bloodstream, goes into the smallintestines, and stimulates the
re release of Calbindin, whichis the calcium binding protein
in the small intestine.
To actually absorb calcium fromyour diet and then it leads to
stronger bones.
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So, um, within the vitamin Dpathway, first you got
cholesterol, you need it, itcomes from your diet.
Then if you don't havecholesterol, you can't make the
vitamin D.
If you can't make the vitamin D,you can't absorb calcium and
then your bones get weak.
So.
Um, yeah, it's, it's allinterconnected and the diet and
the sun and your strength is.
(04:21):
All one thing and it'sbeautiful.
And just a funny little sidenote that is sort of irrelevant,
but I'm gonna say it anyways.
Um, calbindin that calciumbinding protein in the small
intestine, when we learned aboutit in my anatomy class, that was
the dog.
And so I've always thought thatthat's gonna be the best dog
name.
You know, Calbindin Callie forshort.
(04:43):
Anyways, I don't think we'reever gonna get a dog, but we'll
see.
Katie (04:46):
I kind of like that dog name, but I, I know for a
hundred percent fact that wewill never have a dog.
Wes likes to remind me all thetime that we will never have a
dog because gosh, they are somessy.
And a lot of times when I'maround dogs, I'm reminded that
I'm not really a dog personeither, but you know, that's
okay.
We will have all the chickens inthe world.
(05:09):
Maybe some goats and maybe someducks and turkeys I'm sorry, dog
lovers.
I know it can be reallyoffensive when I tell people
that we're never gonna have adog because people are like, oh
my gosh, you're the worst personin the world.
So I apologize.
I, I am actually a pretty niceperson.
Chrissy (05:24):
I still believe cats are superior, although right now
we are dog sitting and the dogwe are babysitting right now is
a service dog.
So she has made me really likedogs more, but I think that's
just because she's exceptionallywell behaved because she's an
actual service dog.
Katie (05:42):
So, okay.
So vitamin D obviously isessential for life and, and I, I
love what you're saying and kindof what we always come back to
with a lot of our conversationsis that God did design all of
the world and us to workperfectly together.
And so it's not like.
(06:03):
He designed it and we needed tocome in and fix what he
originally put together and putinto place here on this earth.
And it's like, okay, he had thisin mind that the sun was
necessary for life, for allliving things, including us and
plants and animals and so weneed to learn how to use it
effectively, but at the sametime.
(06:26):
The sun can be somewhatdamaging, if we are exposed a
little bit too much to it, butlet's talk a little bit about
getting the right amounts ofvitamin D because.
Uh, what I have learned is thatso many of us, especially here
in the United States, have asevere vitamin D deficiency,
(06:46):
probably due to the fact that wespend a lot more of our time
inside.
And then I also feel likethere's a lot of like.
Fearmongering around the sunbecause a lot of people are
like, don't go into the sun,it's gonna give you skin cancer.
And while that's also true, wedo need the sun.
So do you have any tips for usor information that we can start
(07:07):
with on like, how much should weget and how do we get vitamin D
and, and how do we balance thatall?
Chrissy (07:15):
Yeah, so the speed of vitamin D synthesis and the
speed of getting burned by thesun quite literally, has a lot
to do with a person'scomplexion.
I.
So people who have darker skintones tend to not burn nearly as
quickly.
But with that, it also takeslonger for their skin to start
to produce that inactive VitaminD3 from the U-V-D-U-V-D mm, from
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the UVB light touching thedehydrocholesterol in their
skin.
On the opposite side of thespectrum.
People with lighter complexionswho are incredibly pale, can be
in the sun for 15 minutes andget sunburned.
They tend to produce thatinactive vitamin D much quicker
than those darker complexionpeople.
(08:04):
And so that is one thing to keepin mind is it's not a one size
fits all sort of situation.
Every single person is going tobe different because every
person's skin respondsdifferently to the sun.
Um.
When it comes to absorbingvitamin D, though, the quote
unquote solar panels of the bodyare actually the abdomen and the
(08:24):
thighs.
Those are the places where, um,the sunlight is absorbed more
easily.
I don't know if it's for.
An accurate representation or anaccurate theory, but my theory
is that those are the parts ofthe body that don't often get as
much sun, and so they generallyhave a little
Katie (08:43):
Yeah.
Chrissy (08:43):
bit of a lighter complexion than say your arms or
your face or the lower parts ofyour legs.
I just think of the, the tanthat I had in high school when I
was lifeguarding.
It was like the shorts tan, youknow?
And then my knees were
Katie (08:56):
Mm-hmm.
Chrissy (08:56):
always like super dark and my feet were super dark, but
everything in between was not,it was a fun time.
Katie (09:03):
It's weird that that is like the areas that are kind of
the best.
I, I've heard that too.
Now that you say that and I'mlike, oh yeah, my friend did
mention that to me.
But, you know, I've been, asI've gotten older and matured
and everything, I, I tend towear more modest swimsuits that
do cover my stomach and mythighs and stuff.
So I'm like, Hmm, that's kind ofinteresting.
(09:24):
If those are the quote unquotesolar panels that will absorb
the vitamin D better.
Chrissy (09:30):
I tend to go outside in my backyard and I'll like lift
up my shirt and lift up myshorts so my abdomen and my
thighs are just baking.
Katie (09:40):
I bet your neighbors love that.
Chrissy (09:42):
uh, I don't actually know if they can see me, we have
really tall bushes around our,patio so like They might not
actually be able to see me allthat much where I'm sitting, but
if they do see me, they'reprobably like, what the heck is
this chick doing?
But anyways, I digress.
Um, so yeah, I think just to getback to it, it's important to
figure out what kind of skintone you have and how your body
(10:03):
reacts to that vitamin D or tothe sun in general.
If you tend to burn faster,maybe only stay outside for 15
minutes before.
Covering up, or if you tend tonot burn nearly as much, you can
stay outside for much longer,30, 45 minutes, maybe even an
hour before your skin starts tobe damaged from that sun.
Um, the damage really comes withtime and vitamin D synthesis
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comes before the damage.
And so, um, it's your job to payattention to your body and to
figure out where, when is theappropriate time for you to get
out of the sun or to put onsunscreen.
Which kind of leads us into thenext part of this conversation
is talking about sunscreen ingeneral and the things to look
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out for the toxicities that wecan get from sunscreen on
accident and, um, importantthings to know when choosing
sunscreens.
Katie (10:59):
Before we actually jump into sunscreens, I wanted to
share something that I learnedabout vitamin D, especially
moving to.
A place, um, up north.
So now we're in Michigan versusColorado.
That's a very sunny place.
Colorado's, you know, known forhaving lots and lots of sunshine
throughout the year, even in thewinter months.
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But here in Michigan, comeOctober through April-ish.
It is very cloudy and overcastand obviously snowy throughout
the winter and very cold.
And we don't see the sun a lothere.
Um.
And so I've been a littlenervous about my Vitamin D
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intake and everything because Ido know, if the, um, UV index is
below three, isn't it true likeyour body doesn't produce
vitamin D properly, so.
I know in Colorado there's onlya few months of the year that
your body can't actually producevitamin D naturally, so you have
to kind of get it other ways.
And so I've been kind oflearning a little bit more about
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like, what do I do here inMichigan?
Especially because it is so muchdarker for longer periods of
time here.
And so I learned a little bitmore about taking cod liver oil.
And so we actually, I startedtaking it, we started taking it,
um, in the winter in Coloradofor the, the few months where
the UV index just does not getabove three.
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And, the brand that we.
Have been using was recommendedby my friend, it's called Nordic
Naturals, Arctic Cod liver oil.
Yeah, they make it in bothliquid form as well as capsules,
and then they have'em likeflavored.
But I don't know about that.
I got the unflavored stuffbecause strawberry cod liver oil
sounds very strange to me.
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So that is not happening, atleast for me.
Who knows?
Maybe Malakai will like it oneday.
Chrissy (12:51):
does the cod liver oil like actually taste like cod
oil, liver combo?
Katie (12:58):
So I actually haven't tried the liquid form.
The one that I got is consideredunflavored, but the capsules
that Wes and I have been taking,they, they have like a slight
like.
Tinge of fishiness to it, butit's not like nasty.
You just kind of pop it andswallow it and you make it a
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tiny bit of an aftertaste, butit's not like I've definitely
taken some fish oil stuff thathas been really fishy and you
can like smell it when you openthe bottle and this one isn't as
bad, I would say.
So yeah, actually there's thisapp that I use occasionally.
Called D Minder, and it helpsyou.
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Track how much vitamin D you'regetting by like putting in your
amount of time in the sun alsolike how much clothing you're
wearing.
So if you're wearing like longsleeves and pants in the sun,
your body isn't absorbing asmuch vitamin D while you're
outside.
So you can like put in like howcloudy is it and what kind of
clothes are you wearing and allthis stuff.
And then based on your location,it'll tell you how much vitamin
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D you're getting.
But then you can also put inthere.
The supplements you're taking oreven the certain foods that
you're eating that have vitaminD, which I think are like fish.
Do you know any other foods thathave like vitamin D like
naturally in it?
Chrissy (14:15):
I know eggs do.
Katie (14:17):
really?
Chrissy (14:17):
I've, I've actually used that app a few times also.
Um.
And I, I was very good atdocumenting my breakfast,
vitamin D intake, intake
Katie (14:27):
Mm-hmm.
Chrissy (14:27):
Um, but one thing I also really love about that app
is it can give you reminders asto like when the sun is at its
peak where you are.
So you, uh, input your locationand it'll give you a
notification when the UV levelgets above three, and then it'll
give you a notification when thesun is reaching its quote
(14:49):
unquote high noon or peak pointof the day so that you can
maximize your vitamin D intakein a shorter amount of time.
Because as the UV index goes up,the faster you absorb the
vitamin D and vice versa.
Katie (15:03):
Yeah, right now when I open it up, it says here where
I'm at, the UVI is six and it'sonly like 10:30 in the morning
here in Michigan.
And it gives you like the ozoneamount and.
Even like the current angle ofthe sun here.
I've never, like I've, I'velooked at it a few times.
But yeah, I, I haven't used itto, its full like effect, but
(15:26):
I've heard really good thingsabout it and I check in with it
every now and then.
So we'll link to this in theshow notes as well as like any
of the.
Products that we recommend andstuff.
So if you're looking to checkthose out, um, so like that cod
liver oil that we use, I'll putthat in there.
Chrissy (15:43):
One other thing that I think is pretty cool about this,
D-Minder app is you can inputyour skin type.
When you open the apporiginally, you can tell them
Katie (15:52):
Mm-hmm.
Chrissy (15:53):
what kind of skin type you have, and so that they put
that into the calculations ofhow much, um, vitamin D you
would absorb through the timethat you spend outside.
Katie (16:04):
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Like if you.
Do know that you have a vitaminD deficiency or if you want to
find out a little bit more aboutyour intake of Vitamin D and if
you are getting a sufficientamount, this app can be really
helpful in figuring that outinstead of going and taking a
test and stuff.
Obviously, if you are reallyconcerned going to your doctor
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and actually.
Getting some labs done todetermine that would be
important.
But this can at least give you agood gauge if you are actually
receiving enough Vitamin D.
But I actually, I read a book alittle while ago.
I didn't love the book.
I don't recommend it, but I'llmention it just because I
learned a little bit more aboutthe vitamin D in general, but
the book is the Vitamin D cureand.
(16:47):
They basically talked about theimportance of vitamin D and how
vitamin D can really impact somany areas of your health and
how important it is and howcrucial it is to be getting a
sufficient amount.
Um, and that I.
In general, most of us have avitamin D deficiency to some
degree, whether it's severe ornot, and, and that was one of
(17:08):
the big things that I picked upfrom this book, so that's, you
don't have to go read it.
There you go.
That's it in a nutshell is likeyou likely have a vitamin D
deficiency, so you shouldprobably start to get outside a
lot more, especially now that weare in.
The middle of the summer as thispodcast comes out, it's um,
likely like mid to late July andit's a great time to be getting
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vitamin D.
And one thing I've learnedactually from this book, and I
don't know if this is true ornot, but it sounds like you can
never overdose on vitamin Dbecause the way that your body
like stores it and utilizes it,it almost again, like God
planned it perfectly because somuch of the world does not
receive the sunlight that isneeded in order to produce the
(17:52):
vitamin D necessary in themiddle of winter.
And so in the summer when you'regetting lots and lots of vitamin
D, your body apparently, again,don't quote me on this.
This is, I think I read it inthis book, but your body stores
it up in a way that it can kindof.
Utilize it through the winter aswell when you're only able to
get vitamin D from your foodsources, because I guess that
(18:14):
the vitamin D that you'regetting from the food sources
isn't as like bioavailable orit's not as.
Like it's a different form, Iguess.
Like kind of what you weresaying, Chrissy, it's like
different forms of vitamin D,vitamin D3 and something else.
But anyway, it's like God reallydid plan these things well.
He actually thought you have thesummertime when you're getting
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lots and lots of vitamin D, butthen you have winter time when
you're not receiving as muchvitamin D But now Chrissy, let's
talk about sunscreen andprotecting ourselves from the
sun because while we do needlots of sunshine in order to get
appropriate amounts of vitaminD, we also need to be careful to
protect our skin in themeantime.
(18:58):
So do you wanna kick us off onour sunscreen conversation?
Chrissy (19:02):
Yes, sunscreen.
Actually, before we do, justwanna add one more thing about
the vitamin D.
Um, last year when I got myblood tested at my like annual
primary care.
appointment, my vitamin D levelswere on the lower side of
normal, which was significantlylower than the year prior, and
my doctor recommended a VitaminD supplement, and then I started
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thinking about it the first yearthat I went to the primary care
physician here in NorthCarolina.
I got my blood drawn afterhaving like four or five days
off of work and I was constantlyoutside.
I was in the sun.
I was doing yard work.
The second year that I went andgot my blood drawn was the day
after working three in a row,and my vitamin D levels were
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significantly lower.
This is one thing that kind ofbothers me a little bit is
instead of telling me like, Hey,go spend some more time outside,
try to implement vitamin D inyour diet, things like that.
My doctor just said, here, takea supplement.
that was it.
And she didn't like explain howto get more vitamin D in my
(20:05):
diet.
So if your vitamin D is low,just go outside guys.
Katie (20:08):
This is something that my friend also mentioned to me was
that.
You really should only take thesupplement when you don't have
any other choice, right?
Because if it is the middle ofwinter and it's so dark and
maybe you're not able to go andget as many fresh eggs and good.
Fish or anything like that, thena supplement should be your last
(20:30):
resort in that case.
And even at that guys, when we,when we talk about like eggs and
fish and things like that, ifyou are just getting
conventional eggs from thestore, they are.
Much lower in the vitamins andnutrients that you need because
they're, they're conventionallygrown.
You want to have the pastureraised organic eggs from the
(20:53):
grocery store.
'cause they're going to be much,much higher in vitamin D and in
all the other good stuff thatyou need And one of the ways you
really know that they have asufficient diet, like, and they
are full of the vitamins andnutrients you need.
Is if it is not a vegetariandiet for the chicken.
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So if you ever see any packagingfor whether it's actual meat,
like chicken, meat, or eggs, andit says vegetarian raised
chickens.
That is a sign that they are notgetting their full diet.
'cause believe it or not,chickens are not vegetarians.
They are omnivores.
They eat bugs, they eat, theywill actually eat meat.
(21:34):
They eat chicken meat, which iscrazy.
They eat like Turkey, they eatliterally all of our leftovers
of any sort, and it's necessaryto get all of that.
So, moral of the story, don'teat vegetarian chicken.
Chrissy (21:46):
And good eggs taste better too, so it's worth it.
Katie (21:50):
They do
Chrissy (21:50):
Okay, now
Katie (21:51):
okay.
Chrissy (21:52):
Actually officially transition to talking about
sunscreen.
Now that we
Katie (21:56):
Officially.
Chrissy (21:57):
into our sunscreen episode, we're finally gonna
start talking about sunscreen.
Katie (22:01):
Yay.
Chrissy (22:02):
Yay.
Okay, so sunscreen.
Ah, it is very sad becausepeople didn't use to get skin
cancer the way that we now getskin cancer.
people also didn't use to wearsunscreen.
The way that we now are told towear sunscreen.
and so I just want to go throughand talk about some of the risks
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and things to look out for andred flags and green flags about
sunscreen in terms ofingredients and amount and the
process of making the sunscreenand everything like that.
So, um, I think first off, weshould probably talk about what
kind of sunscreen you shouldlook for So there's two
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different types of UV rays.
There's UVA and UVB, broadspectrum sunscreens.
Should cover both the UVA Suns.
Uh, the UVA rays are the onesthat are responsible for more
skin damage.
They're responsible for aging,and they're the ones that are
actually more often than not,not covered by sunscreen.
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UVB is the sun rays that areresponsible for your typical
sunburn And because the typicalsunburn is the effect that you
see from the sun moreimmediately.
That's the one that's morelikely to be covered by a
sunscreen if it's not broadspectrum.
but it's important to look at,look for a sunscreen that covers
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both UVA and UVB because youwanna prevent that damage and
aging from your skin that you'regonna see in the long term, and
you wanna prevent the sunburnthat you're going to get in the
short term.
They have done a lot of studieson different ingredients in
sunscreen and things like that.
There's like, oh, how much isit, Katie?
Is it like 10 or 12 normalactive ingredients that they use
(23:54):
to make sunscreen?
Katie (23:56):
Yeah, it really should only be a few.
Chrissy (23:58):
Well, no, but I mean in terms of like all the sunscreens
that are out there.
Katie (24:02):
Oh, the, the not good ones.
Chrissy (24:05):
Yeah, including the not good ones.
I think
Katie (24:07):
Um, yeah, maybe.
I'm actually not sure on that.
Chrissy (24:11):
there's quite a few.
Ingredients that are used insunscreens to prevent the sun's
rays from damaging your skin.
And I don't know if y'all's, ifour listeners' parents ever did
this to them as a child, butgrowing up when my mom told us
to put on sunscreen, she said,put on sunscreen.
And then you have to wait 15minutes before you go in the
(24:33):
pool.
'cause you want it to absorbinto your skin.
And now thinking back, I'm like.
That's actually so horriblebecause these, the active
ingredient in the sunscreen isincredibly toxic for us.
And so the ones that absorb intoour skin then get into our
bloodstream and can affect ourhormone levels and can affect
our digestion and our mentationand all of that.
Katie (24:57):
Especially in the middle of summer when you are sweating
a lot, your pores are just wideand open, and anything that is
going on in your body in thatmoment is being.
So easily absorbed.
And so that's why it's even morescary we are putting ourselves
at such like in such avulnerable state and it's, yeah,
(25:19):
it is just so crazy looking backand you're like, now that we
know all this, you're like, ohmy gosh.
Chrissy (25:23):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, um, I actually looked at astudy that, I believe it was the
FDA did this study and theylooked at different types of
sunscreens and how much eachkind of sunscreen was absorbed
into the skin.
They had a group of participantswear different kinds of
sunscreen for 30 days.
And then after 30 days, theytested their blood to see how
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much of that active ingredientwas inside their bloodstream.
at the end of the study, therewere only two active ingredients
in sunscreen that were notsignificantly absorbed into the
skin.
And those two were zinc oxideand titanium dioxide.
Now sunscreens that are createdwith these two.
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Minerals are known as mineralsunscreens.
They are usually much better foryou because those active
ingredients don't actually soakinto your skin.
So it decreases the chances ofthem getting into your
bloodstream and causing more ofthose systemic issues.
these sunscreens unfortunately,in terms of a cosmetic
standpoint, do tend to be alittle bit thicker and they tend
(26:29):
to be a little bit.
Like oilier, like heavy on theskin because they don't absorb
into the skin.
Katie (26:36):
I never actually really thought about that, but you're
right, the, like zinc, uh,lotions that we have,
Chrissy (26:42):
mm-hmm.
Katie (26:43):
just look like a white.
They make us look white, aghosty, pasty, you know?
And it is, Wes really hates it,but it's funny because it's
like, oh, it's not absorbed.
Chrissy (26:52):
right?
I always think of like grandpaon the beach with his white
nose, you know?
But that's the kind of sunscreenthat's actually better for us
because it doesn't get absorbedinto our skin.
Another thing that's actuallyimportant to, um, recognize
about sunscreen is whether ornot it has vitamin A added to
it.
So other
Katie (27:12):
Hmm.
Chrissy (27:13):
A is retinol, retinol, acetate and retinol.
linoleate and retinal palmitatePalmin Palmitate.
the vitamin A crazy enough isactually broken down by
sunlight, so it can denature thesunscreen altogether and make it
ineffective.
also when it's absorbed into.
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Your skin, it can lead toosteoporosis and liver damage
and um, brittle nails and hairloss, which, um, actually I am
just now realizing that all ofthose are related to calcium
levels.
Crazy.
Katie (27:53):
Isn't retinol the stuff that you shouldn't be using when
you're pregnant anyway?
Right.
Is that right?
Chrissy (27:59):
I've never heard that possibly.
Katie (28:01):
I feel like it's one of those, like I, I think retinol
is that like anti-aging agent
Chrissy (28:06):
Mm-hmm.
Katie (28:07):
in a lot of like skincare products and I think when you're
pregnant they recommend notusing it.
That just sounds like somethingthat I read at some point while
I was pregnant, but I don'tknow.
Chrissy (28:17):
You know, I think looking at things that are
recommended to not use duringpregnancy, I think is a good
outline on.
Good idea to look at, even ifyou're not pregnant, because my
thought is, if I'm not supposedto use these products or eat
these things while I'm pregnantbecause it could potentially
harm the baby, what kind of harmcould it potentially do to my
(28:42):
own body if I'm not pregnant?
Katie (28:45):
Yeah.
Chrissy (28:46):
I just,
Katie (28:46):
like, if it's so toxic for an infant, is it actually
toxic for me too?
Yeah.
I never knew about the vitamin Astuff, but I, I've been trying
to learn as much as I can aboutsunscreen because I, I also have
talked with some people who arelike, oh, you shouldn't cover up
with sunscreen.
In general because you want thevitamin D, but I really still
(29:09):
think that like you want to, Imean, kind of like you said
earlier, if you're out in thesun for a certain amount of
time, like more than 15 plusminutes, it really is important
to protect yourself.
But you really want.
Non-toxic stuff and it often isthe, the sunscreen that makes
you kind of look more like aghost.
(29:30):
And it's okay, but it'sprotecting you better than the
one that's gonna keep youlooking good because it's like
absorbing into your skin thoughI did recently learn about a
sunscreen, I think it's the onefrom Primally Pure.
It's super expensive, but it'smade with beef tallow.
And so the tallow with the zinc,it goes on a little bit clearer
(29:52):
from my understanding, and Idon't know this from experience,
I think I just stumbled upon anad for it, but it's super
expensive.
So if you're into that, you candefinitely check it out.
But, EWG, we've talked aboutthem before.
They're the environmentalworking group.
They also put out the Clean 15and the Dirty Dozen list for
foods like fruits and veggies.
(30:13):
They also are known for having asunscreen list of, you know,
sunscreens that are super safethat they, put their stamp of
approval on.
we can link to that becausethey, actually.
Give you a handful of them thatare a little bit more affordable
because a lot of these mineralsunscreens tend to be a bit more
expensive, because they're notas toxic.
(30:34):
They're not using all theseterrible ingredients in it that
are harming you.
They're actually protecting youa little bit more.
We switched recently, Theproduct that I am using, and I'm
actually, I, I'm holding itright in front of me.
I did not notice this until thisvery second as I'm staring at
it, but it actually, Chrissy, ithas an EWG stamp of approval in
(30:57):
the top corner here, which is socrazy.
I did not realize that untilthis very second.
But
Chrissy (31:05):
fantastic.
Katie (31:06):
Now you're all like, what is this?
What is this brand?
Um, I think it's pronouncedBabo.
It's BABO Botanicals, and theyhave a handful of different
mineral sunscreens.
I am currently holding their.
Broad spectrum SPF 50 and it'swater resistant for 80 minutes.
We also got their facesunscreen, they have like a
(31:28):
stick as well as a cream,.
for Malakai I've been using thisbrand called.
Babyganics, like literally it'slike the word organics, but
instead of o in front of it,it's baby and it is Bobby
approved, but it has an EWGrating of three, so it's, it's
not on like the best.
End of the spectrum but it isstill like a green rating for
(31:51):
EWG.
we are going to continuepotentially using this with
Malakai we actually, I had twobottles of it and I accidentally
had one in my purse while wewent through customs recently,
and so they took the bottlebecause it was liquid.
So I was like, well, I guessthat's one way to get rid of a
bottle accidentally.
So that was kind of humorous.
'cause Wes and I.
(32:11):
Just the day before that we'retalking about switching
sunscreens for Malakai and he'slike, you just recently bought
like two new bottles.
And I was like, yeah, but Idon't wanna harm my baby.
And then they took that one awayand I was like, I, I promise I
did not do this on purpose.
I did not purposely put it inhere for them to take it away.
I literally didn't even knowthat we had it with us.
So kind of funny.
(32:32):
But those are the two I'm using.
Are you using any specific ones,Chrissy?
Chrissy (32:36):
Before I actually get to that, I actually think, and
you know, that EWG gives ratingsbased on level of toxicity of
items and the ingredients inproducts.
I think one way that Even thougha sunscreen or a beauty product
might have a rating of three outof 10, 10 is the worst.
EWG certified is like a zero.
(32:57):
I think it, it's important toactually go into the website and
look at specifically whatingredient are they saying is
quote unquote bad
Katie (33:05):
Mm.
Chrissy (33:06):
and what's the reason that it's bad, you know?
'cause some of them they'll say,oh, it's really bad because it
has a high risk of allergies.
Well, if you're not allergic toit then you shouldn't have a
problem with it.
You know, it's just an, aningredient that more people tend
to be allergic to.
So, um, yeah, maybe just like goin and look at it, like why is
(33:27):
this rated a three as opposed toEWG certified?
And then you can decide foryourself whether or not it's a
risk that you personally arewilling to take.
Because like we've said numeroustimes over, this is all a
personalized, Process andjourney that we are all on to
live healthier and what worksfor some people won't work for
other people.
(33:47):
And so that's important.
Speaking of what works with somepeople and not works with other
people.
I don't wear sunscreen the vastmajority of the time.
I
Katie (33:57):
Dun, dun.
duuuunnnnn
Chrissy (34:00):
I can't stand the way it feels on my face.
I can't stand the way it feelson my skin.
I will literally only put onsunscreen if I'm going to the
beach or to the pool in themiddle of the day, but going on
a walk in the middle of the day,I don't wear sunscreen.
I don't put lotion on my face.
my beauty products in generalare so incredibly limited.
Literally this morning I wasdressed all cute and then I went
(34:22):
to the mirror I was about to puton mascara and I was like, nah,
I just don't want to
Katie (34:27):
Nah.
Chrissy (34:28):
to.
So I am a very, uh, minimalistwhen it comes to anything beauty
products and things that I puton my skin.
So, no, I don't wear sunscreenon a daily basis.
Um, although recently I did goto the beach and I I started
learning about.
These, sunscreen toxicities onmy way home from the beach after
(34:52):
lathering myself with the toxicsunscreen that we already had
Katie (34:55):
Of course.
Chrissy (34:56):
in the house.
Right?
And of course, the aerosolizedone too, like the spray, which
increases your risk of breathingit in, which is no.
bueno and after going to thebeach, I went up to Max and I
said, Hey, so.
We have to change something.
He goes, oh, I was like, oursunscreen.
He said, I was waiting for youto come up with that one.
(35:17):
It's like he knows the things inthe house that I'm going to
figure out are toxic and he justlike waits for me to figure it
out.
And then as soon as I figure itout, he's like, yep.
All right.
So we'll put it in the budgetfor next month for you to buy
new sunscreen and we'll figureout how to get rid of this stuff
even though we never usesunscreen.
And so, That's in the budgetnext month to buy different
(35:37):
kinds of sunscreen becauseliterally every single one that
we have is not good,
Katie (35:43):
pretty much all of your traditional, like the banana
boats and all that stuff, I, I,for the most part are.
All really not great.
My sister recommended one Ithink it was like something Bum,
beach bum, something bum.
And it actually was a good one.
I looked it up and it wasconsidered, Bobby approved and I
(36:04):
think EWG had some forms of itthat were.
On the green spectrum.
I can't remember if it wascompletely EWG verified, but,
um, I was pleasantly surprisedabout that.
'cause I was like, that was abrand that I had heard of
previously.
Chrissy (36:17):
I do know also Neutrogena, while the vast
majority of Neutrogena sunscreenis not great for you, they do
have a mineral line and themineral sunscreen by Neutrogena
is decent and is rated well onEWG.
So.
That's one thing to keep inmind.
I did find that one sold at ourgrocery store.
Was it more expensive than allthe rest of them?
(36:39):
Absolutely.
But it's good for you.
Katie (36:42):
Well, the last thing I wanted to mention before we end
this podcast episode is that aninteresting thing that I have
learned recently is thatsunglasses might actually be
causing us to burn.
More easily, which is so insaneto me because I have always been
taught that like sunglassesprotect your eyes from the sun
(37:05):
obviously and from gettingburned and from all the stuff.
However, and, and I don't knowhow true this is yet, it's
something that I have justrecently in the last couple
months heard, and I have notdived into too much, but I have
heard that your sunglasses blockyour eyes from.
(37:26):
Basically gauging how much likeUV is actually happening.
And then there's something inyour eyeballs, like some sort of
receptors that then tell therest of your body to produce a
certain hormone in the skin tothen protect itself from
actually getting burned.
Now, at first I was like, well,that kind of sounds crazy, but
(37:47):
then you think about forgenerations, like literally
thousands of years.
People did not wear sunglassesand yet they weren't like
getting all these crazy issueswith getting burnt and you know,
they were working in the fieldsconstantly.
Like that's what people did fortheir livelihoods is they like
farmed.
And people, I assume likeweren't getting like.
(38:10):
Really bad skin cancers andthings like that.
And so I've been learning thingsabout sunglasses that maybe we
shouldn't be using them as oftenand as frequently when we go
outside, especially when we'reout there for long periods of
time.
And your Eyes need to actuallyreceive the full amounts of
light in order to tell the bodyto then produce a certain
(38:31):
hormone that protects it fromgetting burnt as easily.
So I don't know how true it isyet, and I've been seeing more
about it lately, but also thefact that like.
Sunglasses basically block youreyes from like, like impacts
your circadian rhythm and, andso you also don't wanna wear
(38:51):
sunglasses for that reason.
I don't know.
I've always been a sunglasseswearer.
So what are your thoughts onthat, Chrissy?
Chrissy (38:57):
Um, my thoughts are I have blue eyes and sunglasses
are a lifesaver sometimes.
So I also have heard recently,um, some.
Not quite nearly as much as whatyou've heard about sunglasses,
but I've heard more so along thelines of people figuring out how
to prevent your eyes from beingso incredibly sensitive to the
(39:20):
sun.
And one of the strategies that Ihave heard is waking up with the
sunrise and going outside.
Katie (39:28):
Yeah.
Chrissy (39:29):
So that your eyes have like the gradual increase of
light that slowly but surelymakes them like more okay with
the light.
Whereas if you go from like yourdark bedroom smack into like
11:00 AM sun
Katie (39:45):
Mm-hmm.
Chrissy (39:46):
it's more like shocking to your eyes and so they hurt
more and especially me as ablue-eyed person.
I just like can't open my eyesoutside if I do that.
But I have been outsiderecently, like at sunrise or
closer to sunrise, and thosedays I'm much more able to
tolerate the sun.
(40:06):
Throughout the day than normal.
I still have not quite figuredout how to drive without
sunglasses at peak sun
Katie (40:13):
Mm-hmm.
Chrissy (40:13):
because the sunlight like reflects off of the road
and then reflects off mydashboard and reflects off my
windshield also somehow, andjust hurts my eyes a lot.
But that could also be myastigmatism speaking so
Katie (40:28):
Yeah.
Chrissy (40:28):
other problems
Katie (40:29):
Why?
That's the same thing.
I, I think sunglasses have aplace where, like driving is my
one thing too.
Like especially at certain hoursof the day when it's just like
blinding you and it's like,well, I need to be able to see
to safely drive so.
But I am trying to train myselfto use them less and it's kind
of crazy'cause basicallysunglasses were like another
(40:50):
part of my outfit every day.
It's a little different for meand I'm not quite sure how I
feel about it yet.
But We'll stay tuned.
Maybe I'll update you later onhow it's going this summer.
'cause it is sunny
Chrissy (41:01):
we could maybe do like a long-term sunglasses review.
Katie (41:05):
Ooh.
Chrissy (41:06):
Or maybe not.
Katie (41:07):
Or maybe not.
Who knows?
We'll see.
Well, okay, Chrissy, we've beenchatting for a long time.
I know this is an importanttopic for a lot of us.
So let us know your thoughtsabout sunscreen and vitamin D
and if you have any thoughts onthis whole sunglasses thing, um,
join us in our Facebook group,crunchy Cri Christian Mamas on a
Budget, and share with us whatyou're thinking about it and,
(41:29):
uh, what sunscreens you're usingthis summer.
And if there's ones that youenjoy, we'd love to hear from
you.
So join us over there.
Chrissy (41:36):
We pray over each and every one of you guys, and we
hope that these EPI episodes canbe helpful in your journey to
becoming a better steward ofyour body, your mind, your soul,
your spirit, your finances, andyour families.
We are praying that this episodewas helpful for you and we will
see you next time.
Katie (41:53):
See you next time.
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