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May 16, 2023 54 mins
Bo Scaife is a Denver native who grew up playing several sports and credits Tae Kwan Do for teaching him discipline. Eventually football and baseball became his favorites at Mullen High School and in 1999, the tight end helped the Mustangs to a 5A State Championship. Bo was noticed by college scouts throughout high school and was heavily recruited. He opted to head to Texas and play for Mack Brown who at the time was called “Coach February” for his ability to attract the nation’s top recruits. Bo spent six years with the Longhorns due to a couple of knee injuries, one of which he thought ended his football career. He found himself in a dark place not being able to play and taking pain killers. Eventually he rehabbed, came back and was drafted in the 6th round of the 2005 draft by the Tennessee Titans where he played for 6 years. When the Titans didn’t bring him back in 2011, he signed with the Bengals and suffered what would be a career ending injury early in the season. He attempted another comeback in 2012 with the Patriots but was released before training camp.

After leaving the NFL, Bo went back to school and received his MBA which has come in handy starting a business in the cannabis industry, All Pro Farms. Bo has a vision for his farm in Southern Colorado and while he works on that vision, consumers can purchase All Pro Farms “mood” products at stores throughout Colorado. Pick your mood and All Pro Farms has a flower for it.

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Got a call Coach Brown. He'sin tears, arm in tears. It's
like, man, this is allyou thought your football career was over at
that point I did that probably sentme into like a real dark place.
Not being at home, you know, you're away from home and stuff like
that. Almost fund out of school. I'm on drugs, I'm doing some
shit I'm not supposed to be doinglike I wasn't going to practice, like
I was out of it. Iwas definitely the little kid just looking out

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the other side of the fans,just watching his guys. Welcome to Cut,
Traded, Fired, Retired, apodcast featuring conversations with professional athletes and
coaches who have sat down to telltheir stories about growing up, challenges,
and moving forward. I'm your host, Susie Wargin. This episode's guest knows
how amazing Colorado is, after all, he was born here. He also

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knows what it's like to when astate championship in high school, be highly
recruited by big time colleges and getdrafted into the NFL. You might say
Bow knows a thing or two.That's his pun, not mine. Boscape
also knows some dark places, likewhere he went mentally and physically. When
he saw a number of injuries duringhis high school, college, and pro

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careers, he came back from mostof them, but not without knowing how
bad painkillers made him feel, whichis why Bow has started a business and
taken on a new career in thecannabis industry. He's got a great outlook
on moving forward, and he isall smiles, ladies and gentlemen. Bow
Scathe got traded fired, retired podcastswith Susie Wargin. Hello, boscafe,

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Miss Susie. How are you?We're back? Where we are back?
Yeah? Gosh darn, It's beena long long time since I've seen you.
How do I look? You lookfantastic? How do I look?
You look great? You look greatlike time is being is serving you very
well as it is for you too. I feel like you have an aged
since the last time I signed.I bet it's been at least ten years

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that I've seen you. I gotthese grays in my little beer, but
not dying it yet barely barely.Well. I appreciate you coming in.
It's fantastic. You're a Denver kidand you're still here, and it's really
cool to see all the things you'vegone through and then what you're doing now
we're going to go through all ofthat. Awesome. You're ready, yes,
ma'am. Okay, let's do it. Born in Denver and you go

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to Mullen High School. Talk aboutstarting to play football, other sports that
you did, and how kind ofyour childhood evolved into what you did with
Mullen. Well, I was amulti sport athlete. I mean, I
think part of it being Bo wasBo Jackson. So you know I had
that shirt where Bo knows is boosdad as to wear every single day.
You know, that's so perfect.Your parents were genius coming up with that,

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right. I mean, I wastaking martial arts. I was playing
football, basketball, baseball, andmartial arts really is what helped me grow
into my body and get the handeye coordination that helped me in all the
other sports. Oh interesting, anyparticular martial arts back then it was called
taekwondo. You know, I hadsome great teachers, and you know,
for US boys, especially the wildonce, you know, you needed that

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discipline and all that stuff at anearly age. It really just helped me
just get on the right path andyou know, being respectful to my parents
other people you know, how Icarried myself really, you know, tapping
into my character at a young ageof how I should be acting and presenting
myself. So, you know,thankful for my parents all the time for
putting me in then and putting meon that path. So when did football
become the main focus? Really?In the high school? It was always

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my favorite focus though. I mean, you know, when I speak to
kids, and you know I speaka lot, I always talk about how
football saved my life because it gaveme something that excited me. And as
a boy, there's only there's nottoo many things where you can go yale,
screen talk, trash, dance,be aggressive, get hit, hit

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people. Football offers so much inthe sport that you're able to do within
these lines that you just can't dooff the field, you know in regular
day life. And for a youngyou know, for young boys who you
know have all this energy and theirants and their mind is going one hundred
miles an hour, and they itwas a natural fit. You know,
baseball's cool, Basketball's cool, butfootball is just action packed every single play.

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Football just set me in my path. It was always my favorite because
it just allowed you to show likeyour full gifts that gud has given you.
If there was another sport besides football, what would you have played?
What was your second favorite? Baseball? I'm you know, like I said,
I'm both Jackson and I'm Dion.Yeah. Um, you know,
I tore my knee up my senioryear. So songis why didn't play baseball?
Probably could have wouldn't played college footballand college baseball. Um, you

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know, went on and get drafted. Maybe had a long career still playing
baseball right now, who knows,right, So yeah, so as far
as your football career goes at moreand you end up being a parade All
American. Back when the Rocky MountainNews used to exist, you were Colorado
Offensive Player of the Year the DeverPost. You were first team Colorado five
A All State two times, andthen you guys won the state title your

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senior year. Were you strictly tightend? Did you play any defense?
Where were you in the mix there? In high school? I was the
utility guy really, you know,in the big games, they throw me
back there at safety. Um,you know, I played tailback. You
know, I played receiver. Iwas moving around. So you know,
my coaches mc McCall had a creativemind early on, just as a football

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coach and you know, a playcaller. So I appreciated that because,
I mean, we could have beenlike Columban still running the wishbone and you
guys had a good team. DaveLogans talked about that team, a good
team. And it's so crazy becauseon the Facebook chats, all the young
Mulling guys, coach Logans teams.You know, they wont stay three years
in a row, and so they'realways, you know, talking noise about
who's the greatest Mulling team on paper. You know, they won three state

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championships in a row. Different generation. Yeah, but I tell them,
go ahead, Coach Logan and he'lltell you. They all come back to
me and they're like, man,Coach Logan said, it was you guys,
and they're so disappointed about it,you know, but it was just
a different type of football. Itwas a different type of era that we
were playing in. And not totake nothing from the young guys. You

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know, they're exciting, they're abunch of great players and stuff. But
I feel like I played in amore physical era. So you know,
when you have that physicality in thegame, you know, that's how you
you know, knocked down. Thegiants should be physical. So the teams
that are flashy, they could putup a bunch of points that can they
do that with other teams that arephysical. And if everybody just running spread
and they're you know, throwing theball every player, there's not a whole

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lot of physicality going on. Soyou know, we had some guys,
you know, they were out there. Our safety's name was Mike Madrid.
They caught on carrec and all hedid was this. He just loved laying
people out. You can't do thattype of stuff. No, you can't.
You played the game when that physicalitywas more allowed. Yeah, it
was more allowed. I mean doubleedged sword to that brought out injuries and
things like that, which we willtalk about, and you of course had

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your share of those. Yes,you do know about those. So while
you're at moll And obviously you guysare you're having great success. You're having
great success individually. How does therecruiting process happen? You end up eventually
going to the University of Texas,but I'm assuming there were others. I
started getting letters when I was fifteenyears old. Wow, I remember our
first letter was from University of Oregon, and as a young boy when your
dream is to play football, it'slike, guys, you've hit this milestone,

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right. You know, you've gota long way to go, but
this is just a point in themilestone on the journey that is so exciting
that you used to always think about, like, God, don't want to
go play college. Now these collegesare actually hit me up. You know.
I had a great opportunity to playat a lot of different places,
you know pretty much. You knowall the great big schools in the D
One schools, the Michigans, theFlorida schools, the California schools, and
you know the Ohio States, NotreDames, those type of schools. So

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it was a treasure for me tobe able to have those options and those
opportunities. I tell everyone, Imean, I went on my recruiting visit
at Texas with Eli Eli Man,it's just me Eli Rgie my dad.
So this is a treat already.I'm being recruited with Chris Simms. His
dad is Phil Simms. I'm beingexposed to the best players around the country.

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And what's better than that. Andone thing I guess that I found
out though, is not everyone wantsto go where all the ballers are going,
you know, just they want toplay for me. And my mentality
was I wanted to go where theballers were because I had to see how
I measured up, because I feltlike I was one of those guys.
This is before social media, soyou know, you can't just throw your
highlights on the internet for everyone tosee. This is a word of mouth.
You knew what you knew from SportsIllustrated and reading articles. You hear

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about the guys, um, soyou know I was kinking about guys they're
hearing about me. But I mean, just imagine if we got to show
highlight tapes like the kids do now, I'm pretty sure I would have been
viral. But it was a treat, you know, just to be able
to go meet all these coaches andeven now looking back, you know that
I got a chance to you know, play in the league and stuff.
Looking back, I got to watchthese coaches grow up too. Coach Durrell

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new Highs with all those guys recruitingme to Colorado. They said in my
living room, coach in Breed beenemy. So it's cool to see their
journey as well, absolutely, andenjoying my journey. See where Mac Brown
is now, He's the coach forNorth Carolina. I mean, he's a
viral sensation right now. And soit's awesome the relationships that you get to
build during that recruiting process and thenpicking the school you get to go to,

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and then you know, being ableto extend your career and see how
everyone's career transforming and what turned outfor everything that is really cool. How
many actual trips did you go on? I went on probably about four.
Texas took a bunch of unofficials becauseI was playing baseball, so every time
I played baseball somewhere, they wouldcome pick me up, take me to
the school, and stuff like that. I knew I wasn't going there but

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right but you know, Texas wasthe best fit for me. What was
it that fit about it? Itjust felt good. You know, this
is Heisman Trophy year, Ricky Williams. Get to meet that guy, and
you know, see, like seehow these guys look in the weight room.
I'm just like guys like I don'twant them. My Dad's like you
need to go look like them,you know. And we had the number
one recruiting class that year in thecountry with mc brown. That was his

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first full class at Texas. SoI mean it was awesome just to be
a part of that and be withthe best players literally from around the country.
They were going to Texas that year. So I took pride in,
you know, representing Colorado and meand a kid from Colorado, and there
was actually three of us, me, Tim in the Holloway and Ryan Haywood.
We all went to Texas in nineteenninety nine. And then it got
better while you were there because VinceYoung comes in the next year or two

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years after years after two years afterwe were the Golden Years. I get
to walk around, you know,in my head to hide rocking my Texas
gear. Not a lot of peopleget to do that, but I get
to do that. Rose Bowl champion, you know, they won the national
the year after I left. Butlike, we literally got to see a
program that wasn't doing too great.We got to see a coach come in,
get a great opportunity in Matt Brown, turn a program around and build

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a program, and watch him buildhis career, build all his coaches careers,
build a whole genormous program in theUniversity of Texas, like people have
no idea how big Texas is.If you go and look back, bow
at what Mac did at Texas,and a lot of it has to do
with culture and bringing in the rightpeople and creating a new atmosphere. Can

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you put your finger on some thingsthat happened while you were there that just
kind of made that switch. That'sa great question, Miss Susie, and
I'm gonna give you a great answerbecause at the time I don't realize it,
but looking back, I see exactlyhow Mac Brown was putting his pieces
together. In the staff. He'sgetting all these young black athletes from all
over Texas. So what does hedo. He hires diverse staff so he

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can help relate to the players.And he's still the same way he's doing
it now. So you know,strength coach, mad dog coordinators, you
know position coaches, you know greatdiverse staff because he doesn't know how to
deal with us. Let's just bereal. He knows how to recruit,
he knows how to get guys tobelieve in the vision. He knows how
to this is what we're doing,This is where we need to get to.
I can tell y'all how to getthere. But directly he needed guys

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to help them relate to us andcommunicate his vision to us. And it
was great because the guys he hiredwere awesome. You know Tim Brewster right
now, he was the guy thatrecruited me to Texas. Real, Yeah,
tell him how ironic this is ourhow everything's come full circle. You
came to lead to get me outof Colorado, literally stole me from tou
It was nothing, he you know, he bragged about it. It was
that was easy. That's nothing.And now he's back. Yeah. But

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just the way they strategically, youknow, put their staff together and how
they you know, work with theplayers on all different levels. He was
a genius when it comes. AndI still think he's doing the same thing.
I mean, look how he danceswith the guys after the game and
stuff like that. He makes sure, he makes sure that he does everything
so he can get the best outof his guys. And I don't think

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a lot of coaches understand the impactof that and how to do that.
Kyle Shanahan is the same way WadePhillips. It is definitely like you have
to identify with your guys and hasto be about more than football with it.
We understand the business is the business. Okay, guys are gonna come
and go, but you have toshow them that you care and that they're

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more than football like because we're alldone with the same thing. You know,
we all got families, we allgot issues, there were people.
So I commend all the coaches whowho do that, and I really identify
with the players and and that's howyou develop them, that's how you get
them to buy in. I thinkthat that probably goes overlooked a lot.
I bet it does. And it'sreally hard to find that balance with a

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coach. I think there's a lotof coaches who have their vision and this
is how it's going to be,and everybody's going to fit into my system.
Then you have the coaches that areway too friendly, everybody's friend.
Nothing gets done then and kind offinding that middle ground of I have a
vision, but I also know Ineed to kind of work with people to
make it work with my system.And and I call it the Dave Logan

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factor of how do you find thatcoach? He's a perfect example that will
you know, anybody will run througha brick wall for respect you and they
love you. People will run througha big wall for Coslogan. Yeah,
like to this day, who don'teven play anymore. Guys from my age
will run through for Coslogan because ofhow he made them feel and how absolutely

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you're at Texas for a while sixyears awesome. I wish I could do
it again. Yeah, yeah right. And part of that is because you
had some injuries three ACL injuries duringthat time. Yes, ma'am. That's
tough. And I talked to alot of players in this podcast about the
injury factor and what people what fansdon't understand about what a player goes through

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when there's an injury. People thathave had injuries at some point in their
life, they get it because it'snot a great place to be and when
your job is to be as physicalas you need to be and that is
your livelihood. You know people thathave injuries and go sit at a desk.
It sucks, but you have toplay a game and you can't play
that game. That's your money.That's what you're trying to do. You're
trying to get back in college,not as much I mean now it is

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because of nil, but it's yourdream and it's what you want to be
doing so talk about what happens whenyou get injured, what it was like
in Texas, and I know thatwhat happened there is a lot of what
you're doing now with your company,which we will get to. So I
tore my knee my first A sealin the semifinals of the on the way
to state championship here in high schoolmy serior year, I had one fifty

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Russian a hundred receiving like three TVshouldn't even in the game. But this
was God humbling me because it wasn'tnothing. It was a freak accident and
there was a bunch of schools thereand I could just remember laying on the
ground. You can hear a pindrop. Cool story. Casey Stutter was
the ey that was going to tackleme, right, So he's always tells
me that, you know, itwas on the cover of the paper the
next day, you know, mejumping over this guy and talking about the

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injury case. He ended up goingto Texas a few years after that's play
Highland Ranch. Yeah, yeah,yeah, So that first one was humbling.
I was scared. You know,some of the schools were going to
back off and stuff like that,but no one ever did. Thank God
for that. I was able toyou know, rehab pretty quickly because I
had two separate surgeries. I hadto get into microfracture and then I had
to wait six weeks and then getthe a CL and then I played my

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freshman year as a true freshman.Did you really? Yeah? Wow?
So I rehab got right back andI was out there maybe third or fourth
game of my freshman year against KansasState. That youth factor is big then,
isn't it. Yeah? And italso speaks to maturity and football,
like you like being able to likeunderstand, you know, the game.

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I feel like that has always beenone of my strengths that I was a
mature player, Like the coaches couldtrust me. They know I'm gonna go
in there and I'm not going tomess up. It's nerve wracking as a
as a freshman. You've been goingin high school and you know your freshman
year in college it's your rookie year. The first year of every level is
you feel like you know everything andyou know nothing. You're scared to death.
Yeah, So then in college youhave two more so play my freshman

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year, came back, had agreat spring, first day of training camp
my sophomore year. Teary the veryfirst day, devastated, same me.
This was the other one. Okay, I get this one fixed. In
Texas. Tough luck, kid.Everyone was always great. My friends were
great. You know, Kyle,Chris, Sam's all those guys, they
were great. Came back, playedthe next year. We actually went to

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Big Toy Championship the next year,or one game away. We lost to
Colorado that year. These guys stillheld me about this dame. Oh gosh,
we crushed him in the earlier season. And then you know, we
lost in Dallas. We know we'regoing to the National Championship to play in
Miami if we win. We knewthat before the game. How in the
hell did we lose to Colorado whowe beat by forty earlier in the season.
Oh man, but it happens.Yeah, at that time, NFL

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is getting close. You know,you came Baggies Mount Baggies had a good
year working out that summer, juston air by myself. Tear it again
toward at Molan High School, Nokidding, Yeah, I wasn't even in
a game or anything. Tour itat Molan High School, just running routes.
I go home. I just remembertalking to my parents. By this
point, I could feel it.I know what this feels like. You

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know, I see my mom andtears. Got a call coach Brown.
He's in tears. I'm in tears, just like, man, this is
old. You thought your football careerwas over at that point I did.
That probably sent me into like areal dark place. Not being at home.
You know, you're away from homeand stuff like that. Almost fund
out of school, I'm on drugs, I'm doing some shit I'm not supposed
to be doing. Like I wasn'tgoing to practice, like I was out

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of it. I was definitely thelittle kid just looking out the other side
of the fans, just watching theseguys, and you know, I didn't
know what to do. I justdidn't know. I didn't know like how
to handle that. You're twenty oneyears old, you're twenty two years old.
You don't know how to end ofthat. Yeah, yeah, you
know, I'm trying to cope.You know, That's how I really,
you know, kind of dove intocannabis and you know, marijuana and stuff

(18:08):
like that. But my mental healthwas screwed at that point, and nobody
talked about mental health back now onewas talking about it. Yeah, no,
one was talking about the ends.Coach Brown pulled me into his office
and he told me you should giveit up. I felt like I've never
felt a sharper pain, like beingstabbed in the back. Then this guy
who promised my parents and me thathe's gonna care of me and he look

(18:30):
out for me, and he's tellingme to quit. But at that time,
he's not telling me to quit becausehe doesn't believe in me. He's
like, let's just stop the bleedingbow, like I just don't want you
to go through this anymore. Likeit wasn't meant to be. It wasn't
malicious. He was looking out foryour best interest. Feel like it.
At the time, Yeah, Icouldn't accept that. So that first semester,

(18:52):
like I said, they go toclass almost funked out of school.
I come home, you know,our parents get my report card, and
I just remember this look on theirface, like you're really about to screw
this whole thing up, about toflunk out of school, which is that's
what they care about, go graduate. And so I remember just this this
look of disappointment, you know,in my parents face, and it was
literally like this light switches here hitme. You gotta get this ship together,

(19:12):
man. And so I went backamazingly and like not didn't doing nothing.
My knee just felt fine and healedup, and you know, I
probably needed the rest and you know, just to break you know, from
actually playing all the way like takeyour hand all the way off the wheel,
just you know, which is like, yeah, I had bigger things
to worry about. And I justcame back and I felt good, just

(19:33):
started getting it back and just gettingit back. But I was a whole
different player now because I didn't havethe physical attributes and I used to have.
I wasn't running for for anymore.But my mom was different. My
mind was different, like I wasa beast mentally like I was a beast,
like I can't even explain to you, and putting the words like this
transformation that happened to me mentally comingback from that and just getting myself back

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in shape and then you know,finding a way just to still be sweet
out there and make plays and stufflike that. And so was Coach Brown
surprised. They were also applies.They had no idea. Everyone was looking
at me crazy, like who areyou? Who are you? And you
know to be able to go onafter that and play a couple of good
years. That's all the NFL caredabout, just you know, can't you

(20:17):
make it through a couple of seasons. So right, I've got two seasons
healthy and you know, playing allthe games. We want a Rolls Bowl
and you know you're out there makingplays and your first team all big twelve.
What year was at my last year? Your last year and you graduated,
graduated, got a degree in education. Ye, you make your parents
happy with the graduation. You're makingthe NFL happy, like myself making yourself

(20:37):
happy. Yep. It's a goodplace. It was awesome. It was
getting that call, you know,to the NFL that draft was like it
was just the greatest sweetest moment everbecause you just remember all the tears and
the pain, and you know,the depression and just like you said,
the doubt, you know, youhear all that stuff. You hear people
chirping, and you had to finda way to block all that stuff out

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because is and that's hard. Peoplehave no idea how hard that is.
It is. And when something's meantfor you, it doesn't matter what everyone
I'm saying. That's the hurdle yougot to get over, just in life
general. Every day is the mindis the battlefield. Absolutely it is,
and it can be so magnified whenyou do have all that outside noise,
especially a young age. Oh yeah, you have no idea how to handle
that. If most people put themselvesas a twenty two twenty three year old

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and you have millions of anonymous peoplewho have an opinion on who you are
and what you do and how youplay, they crumble, Yeah, absolutely
doubt. I'm saying, like,why is he still playing? What is
he doing? This is from heresome family members, you know, just
like yeah, my god, youknow, And I love my mama,

(21:44):
but I'm sure she was shocked too. She was like, somen you're the
thirty third ranks, tied end.How do you think you're going to the
league? And she's not saying that, but she used to, like,
you know, she was looking atall that stuff online and stuff like where
her son's ranked and stuff like that, and it's like, but only five
of us out of those thirty threewere drafted, and you're one of them.
One of them. So let's goto two thousand and five. You're

(22:06):
a sixth round draft pick by theTennessee Titans. Talk about that draft experience
and leading up to that phone call. Were you hanging around just waiting for
a phone call that you get somekind of ghost phone calls. I'm always
curious kind of the process. You'regonna love this. So Coach Brewster calls
me, tells me, don't watchthe draft. You're gonna be pissed off.

(22:26):
Great advice, but I'm watching thedraft. I'm sorry, coach,
but I gotta watch this stuff.You know, I know I'm not going
in the first couple of rounds.I hear Mike get drafted Bronchos third round,
so you know what peck that wasthat they drafted that round? And
O five? Let me think ofwho that might be, a very prestigious
Ohio State player. Oh, MauriceClarette, Maurice Corrett. So they say

(22:48):
they're gonna take me, then allright, take Marie Corret. Okay,
it's Maurice, all right, coachShanna, and I love you, but
I cool, you know. Soyou know, fourth round, you hear
some chirtman. You know I'm goingon the Bears. Tampa Bay made me
in the fifth round, and andyou know, never heard anything about Tennessee
at all. And I get thiscall, you know, in the sixth
round, and I'm pissed off bynow because I've seen some tiny ends that
they've gone ahead and didn't have thesame numbers or anything like that. But

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it is what it is. Getthe call six one five, Have no
idea what this area code is?Jeff Fisher, Okay, all right,
Jeff ay coach, what's up?Yeah, what's up? And you know,
I couldn't even like visualize where Tennesseewas on the map, you know,
and I'm pretty well traveled, butyou know, I couldn't really you
know, see where it was at. But I was laying on the couch,

(23:33):
you know, the house I grewup in. My mom's over there
on the computer playing Solitaire, andmy dad's at work. It was such
a just a beautiful euphoric moment,you know, just everything from the past
that I've been through it had justcome full and you know, my thoughts
were just all over the place,and I'm like, gosh, you know,
my parents will worked so hard tohelp me get to this point.
My dad's at work right now,and it was just it was awesome.

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That is so cool. It wasawesome. So nobody else's around you but
your mom playing Solitaire on the computer. Yeah, wow, I just watching
it, you know, in thebasement of the house I grew up.
And then just you need that privacyso you can soak up those emotions and
you don't have to, like,you know, kind of be fake around
everybody. I don't. I don'tknow if I would ever do the big
crowds like which you know, Iunderstand why they do it, but don't

(24:17):
work out though, all right,they don't. It's such an intimate moment,
Yeah, because you work so hard. People have no idea, like
the amount of time and just energyand mentally and physically that you're just because
even when you're not playing, you'rethinking about it. And I love that
you give your parents credit. Oh, I got to It's the reason why
some kids don't make it, becausethey don't have the mentors and the guidance.

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You know, they weren't blessed withthe parents or stuff like that.
And you know, the guys whocome from the broken homes or the single
family homes, Like, why doyou think they think their mama so much?
You remember the sacrifices that your parentsmade to help you get through these
moments, and it was for youto get to these moments because they believed
in your dreams. I love it. So you go to tennessee what your
experience like when you go to theNFL. You mentioned that first year it's

(25:03):
such a you're like a deer inheadlights. So I had a sports hernia
in the Rolls Bowl. I didn'tpractice all week. We went to the
combine. Got anybody to the combine, So all they cared about was,
you know, the aco injuries.I literally was like a rag doll.
They just shaking his legs. Ohwhat are these scars? And you know
me, I kind of lied aboutyou know, house severe or some of

(25:25):
them all I've only had two.Well what's this one? And this is
three odd? Damn. So sothey literally look at all your scars and
ask the questions about everything, allof them, you know. And at
the combine it's six room, sixteams. I get to the broncos at
the end. Those are my guyswho fixed me up. So I'm just
like, I give them the biggestlike doctor Slago, doctor Bob, but
they thank you God, I loveyou guys. Tell them what the deal
is you guys did all this stuff, so we're good. You know those

(25:48):
are my coaches. That's cool thatyou know those are my co signers on
everything. You know you're the reasonfor the scar. Tell them where.
Yeah, they fixed me up great. You know, shout out Stamen Hawkins
and those guys. Since I wasa young boy, they helped me out.
So I had this injury and Ididn't see nothing about it because they
didn't care about nothing. But Idid all the workouts like with like a
torn growan. It was hurting me. And Lauren we didn't run one forty

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We ran at Colorado Athletic Club inthe pool every single day. This is
hard. This is how I knowLauren is the man. The way he
got me ready was just so unorthodoxwithout aggravating me, just so I can
just get to the workout. BecauseI had all the red flags of why
this kid shouldn't be drafted, whyhe shouldn't even make it, so for
him to help me get to thismoment and just feel good enough where I

(26:33):
can just get through it and getdrafted because I'll do the rest. Lauren,
And you're referring to Lauren Landau,who was the broncho strength and conditioning
coach til just this past year,but before that worked with a lot of
athletes like you, Ebenezer. Imean the list goes on and autumn of
guys that he has helped. Yeah, so I have to get fixed up
something. I get a Tennessee.I'm like, oh, I hurt myself
training to the semi to get thisa little surgery for the sports training out.

(26:57):
I'm out for you know, tenweeks just walking. So it was
so funny. You know, everyday I'm in there just walking on the
treadmill. So when we got thetraining camp, the guys were like,
I didn't even know you're on theteam. I thought you were a coach
because every morning it's working out.Every morning, I'm the I'm the new
intern. You know that is funny. Yeah, So but you're able to

(27:18):
go through training camp and you havea good rookie season in Tennessee. I
mean, yeah, I was aset rookie record for you know, catches.
And you know the guy who gotdrafted performing he been troop, you
know, he said of the yearbefore. So you know, I'm making
strides. You know, it's it'sall turning out pretty good. And we
weren't that great. Um, youknow, we went four and twelve.
I couldn't wait to get back tothe Rolls Bowl and you know, watch
Texas take down the USC that year. So it was it was a tough

(27:41):
rookie year, but nonetheless, justglad to go get your name and build
a rapport with your teammates and getthat trust. Absolutely like, oh this
guy, he can help us.And the next year is when Vince Young
comes and joins you yea, whichhow cool was that to be reunited with
the teammate from Texas. Well,that whole rookie year, you know,
we're betting on games, and we'rebetting on Texas and you know the Ohio

(28:03):
State all the you know, theguys in the locker room. Yeah,
I'm winning so much because Texas justkeeps winning and they didn't believe in this
guy in Norm Child's our offensive coordinator. You know him and Jeff are both
sc guys. We're just banging headsall year long about Bence Young. You
know, obviously the icing on thecake was the Rolls Bull. Okay,

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So now like you guys understand andbelieve what I'm saying now, because he
just did it in front of thebiggest audience ever. That was also the
same year, I believe, Bigtwelve championship game that Texas killed see you
store. Yes, we played theColts that day and it's a forty minute
flight from Tennessee to Indianapolis. Weleft at kickoff zero zero. When I

(28:48):
landed, it was like fifty somethingthat I was covering that game bow and
literally you looked down. I'm like, oh my god, they scored again.
Yeah, this is so bad,so bad. Yeah, sorry,
Joe Clatt. Yeah, I havean episode with Gary Barnett and we go
into much detail about that game andwhat happened, and he was let go
soon after that. There was nothingthey could do. Oh that was destined

(29:11):
by was insane at that game.Yeah, that was destined. So yeah,
it was super exciting. I mean, this is one of your best
friends. I mean, by wasmy roommate you know at Texas. Oh
was he Okay? That is cool? Yeah, So I mean this is
literally like your brother, like comingto the league after this epic performance.
It was awesome just to have himthere and being that number three pick,
it's so much pressure and to beable how do you even coming off that

(29:37):
game that he did, Like,how do you come in and you're expected
to perform right away? And hedid? Yeah, because he was Rookie
of the Year. Pretty amazing.Yeah, it was hard. I mean
we started off and six that yearand then we ended up eight and eight.
Bade when you're in Tennessee. Oneof your claims to fame, you're
the only tight end in NFL historyto have a rushing touchdown, receiving touchdown,

(30:00):
return for a kickoff, and atackle in the same season. How
did all that go down? Wereyou on special teams? Yeah? I
was on special teams and hey,I'm just getting in the mix. But
Susie, Hey, whatever y'all needme to do, I got you,
utility player. Did you have moreinjuries in Tennessee? I know you had
an ankle injury. Yeah, youknow that's just I mean, who is
an injury exactly? Obviously, youknow the neck injury you kind of went

(30:22):
into my career and stuff like that. But uh, Tennessee was amazing.
You know, I was fortunate tobe able to stay in one place for
seven years. They put a franchisetag on you in oh nine. Yeah,
explain what that is. When youget franchise tagged. From a player's
perspective, what was that like?It was cool because you know you're about
to get a nice race. Obviouslyyou want the long term deal, and

(30:45):
that's kind of like a pre stepprecursor to it, yeah, to a
longstor deal. So you're hoping thatit comes. And you know, my
agent at the time was Rosenhouse.He had a deal lined up with me
to go to the Eagles long termdeal if Tennessee and franchise but we're all
worked out great um. And thenthe next year, which the franchise tag
is you know, top five salaryof the guys that reposition, super super

(31:07):
cool, you know what I meanthat your team values like that. You
know you can't help, but justto be thankful and grateful. And then
the next year, if they don'tdesignate another franchise tag, the guy who
was franchise tag the previous year getsthe tempers at race. So in two
years, I'm just franchise tag backto back, which was awesome. Like
I said, I'm always looking backat where I came and you know how
far I've come, and just tobe you know, valued in my teammates

(31:29):
and my coaches and you know,the fans believe in me, and you
know, just living up to everythingthat you believed about yourself is probably the
most important thing. I mean,that's like I said, you know,
we've talked about it already. That'sthe biggest hurdle is just believing that you
can, you know, in yourselfand you know all your gifts and your
abilities. After the twenty ten season, you become a free agent. How
did that come about? Did theytalk to you? Did they say and

(31:53):
we're not gonna sign you to abig deal? Yeah, and without saying
it, and it's like we've justlost nine games in a row, so
we're about to shake this up.That's the humbling experience of the NFL.
I always tell people, you know, like, oh, what it was
it like to play in the NFL. It's the most incredible, wonderful,
humbling learning experience you could ever askfor. But I mean that's what grows

(32:15):
you, you know, to beable to handle those situations and those circumstances
that you deal with in that leaguebecause that league is truly a juggernaut business.
Oh it's a juggernaut business, yesit is. And it's cutthroat,
but it's exciting and it's awesome,and it's all those other things too,
So you get a nice mix ofall those things that you get to deal

(32:37):
with. And you know, Ican't feel bad. Brett Farve got cut,
Painting got cut. All the greatplayers like they get released or you
know they're gonna get signed back,and you just got to keep it moving.
So the advice I give to theyounger guys now is don't be mad
or upset that you know what's happening. Just be happy that it happened.
Bill Romanowski, I mean, hegot cut from the forty nine ers.

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He's like, look at the guysthey cut. How am I any different
than Steve Young than Joe Montana.I'm no different, I'm no better.
Don't be said that. That's howwould be happy that happened. So then
in twenty eleven, you signed withthe Bengals as a free agent. I
didn't even play a season, andseason I got hurt. I was there
for three weeks that I hurt inour first prison game career over literally that

(33:20):
quick, really yeah, Like Ihad a bulging disk in my neck just
from you know, all the bangingand banging, banging and I literally just
routine play get hit blocking somebody dropstraight to the ground, a body totally
no. I can't feel nothing,and I'm not even looking too deep into
it, like it's like we're numbto these kind of situations. So I'm

(33:42):
just like, what's going on?Man? This feels weird. And one
of my teammates, j Man gressingme comes and push it, sticks his
hand down to pick me up.He's like, get up, dog,
and I was like, I can't. Probably within a minute or something like
that. You know, the trainerscome out. It all comes back and
I hop right back up. You'renot I'm supposed to. You're not supposed
to do that, But I hopup and I walk off. You know
that was the last game I everplayed. I mean, just like that,

(34:07):
And you know this is something else. All the guys, you know,
you still you feel like you stillgot it. You know you're gonna
bounce back. You got the driveand the energy. But you know they
don't see that. They're seeing theyounger guys that are coming up who don't
have to you know, all thosered flags and those injuries that they have
to do with, who they canpay a little less in develop and stuff

(34:28):
like that. So you know,once again, you just go back to
these humbling moments, and you know, you go through these situations where you're
battling, you know in your head, like you know what your worth is
as a player. Their worth versusyour worth probably nine of the time is
not gonna match, and you haveto make a decision as a player that

(34:51):
you're worth more than what they sayyou are. And this is just a
pit stop to what the he isnext or whatever else that you want to
do, because that's what it is. It's a pit stop. And you
don't stay there long. It's notyou stayed there a lot longer than most
guys do. Exactly, it's apit stop. But I mean, how
do you you know it's it's justhard to convince, you know, young

(35:13):
rich millionaires it's gonna be okay.It doesn't last forever. Yeah, So
you did think that maybe you couldcome back because in the next year you
sign with the Patriots, but thenget cut in June. Yeah, and
just grateful to have the opportunity tobe able to go see what they're doing.
The vice brow. How different wasit. It was so different,

(35:37):
And I don't know if it's agreat different. I'm not saying it's a
great different. I'm just saying it'sdifferent. You know, you felt like
you were in literally it wasn't fun. The league is fun. Walking through
the building seeing your guys is fun, and like they don't have a lot
of fun up there. Granted they'rethere to win, but you know,
you shouldn't have to walk around withegg shales with the coaching staff. And
Tennessee was a place where the playerspatrolled a lot of the stuff and everyone

(36:00):
was upstairs and everyone was downstairs,and it was just like that's how it
was separating the communication. Everything wasjust smooth sailing like that Foxboro was.
You know, it's quiet, it'sit's intense. You know, even in
warmups we're doing little strip drills likewe were doing a little league. They're
hammering the fundamentals all the time.So yeah, they're hammering the fundamentals all

(36:22):
the time. But at the sametime, like I'm tired of shit.
Yeah, like, damn Bill,we haven't even warmed up yet. Then
we go stretch, so it wasjust you know, we're running laps for
you know, mistakes. You know, they're they're a very discipline program up
there, which is what has ledto their success. And you know,
obviously you know it might not beplayer friendly, but it's winning friendly.

(36:45):
You know. Want yeah, whichdo you want? Not to say that's
the only way to do things,but that formula that they have, the
Patriot Way, has proved to bea successful formula. So it's not like
we can sit here and be like, bid you guys are out of your
minds over there. I mean itworks. How many super Bowls or how
many playoffs are they They're always there. But at that point you're year nine,

(37:07):
right, yeah, you're eight oryou're eighty, and are you like
I'm over this craft. I hada revelation. We were sitting at a
little event right after practice with thefans and Robert Kraft and the coaches.
Robert Kraft was up there and hewas addressing everybody, and for the first
time in my life, I waslike, I don't love football anymore.

(37:30):
And I was like, that's whyI need to be Robert Kraft. Yeah,
like, not Robert Kraft, youknow massage, but he built this.
Yeah, he was the owner.He's paying Brady, he's paying ground,
he's paying all these other guys.Like he was one of the architects
for this. He put this allthis stuff together. So for me,

(37:52):
it was like this, I wantedto go build something. I wanted to
go build something like Robert Kraft becausehe built this. You know, I've
always heard that phrase get comfortable beinguncomfortable, and so that's why I really
wasn't in a rush to go justhop into coaching. That's the easy,
you know, easy move. Gobe a coach. You love football.

(38:15):
You get to be around your guysand your buddies. Still, you get
to be around the players, likenot too much changing, you know,
still making the good living, doingthe same thing your routine is, you
know, saying. But I hadto shake it up, and that's what
I did. So that day Iremember it like yesterday this I didn't love
football anymore and I wanted to gobuild something that segways perfect into our next

(38:36):
part of this. So in twentyfourteen, you go get your NBA from
George Washington University. I bet thatwas hard. Man school sucks, Yeah,
especially at that age, right,yes, but you're a millionaire.
It was a special program, executiveNBA program for celebs and athletes. Oh

(38:57):
interesting, it was pretty awesome.That's cool. One hundred k O,
dang right up for everything you neededto do. It changed my mindset.
Like this is, if I everwrite a book, it's going to be
called rewired, because that's what happens. You know, you come out,
you're still young, you got yourwhole life ahead of you, but now
you got to rewire yourself to goto this next space and this next chapter

(39:21):
in your life. So going tobusiness school was great, and it was
awesome because the guys I got togo to school with were guys that I
played with and against. So itwas a very challenging, intense environment because
I walk in the room, I'mlike, I see Sean Merriman, I
see Keith Bullick, I see CatoJune, Garrett Bracket, like guys I

(39:42):
don't like. You know, guysI don't like, but they're all there.
Were all there for the same thing, and so it was a great
challenging environment to be in school LikeI would go to school like that.
I would go to school with guyslike me who are high performers, who
are intense, and in business schoolis different because you're actually learning stuff that
you're going to be directly applying.So give me the answers. I remember

(40:07):
raising my hand all every day likewhy am I just learning this now?
I should have learned this before.I have millions of dollars. Absolutely,
education in that regard is different.And we had this one ladies who's from
South Africa. She always used totell us because dealing with us was different
than them dealing with the regular students. You know, the regular students are
going to work for goldmen and sacks. We are goldmen and sacs. So

(40:30):
like, you know, guys arewalking in a little late sometimes you know,
like it's just people looking stuff catered, like what y'all want today?
You know, like so you knowthey're spending their money there. So she
always used to tell us that educationis a lifetime benefit, whether it was
formal or informal, just learning.And so for me and for I guess

(40:52):
for all those guys in the class, we got to get over that hump
that most men and most people don'treally get over who experienced success, which
was letting go ego and realizing youdon't know at all and we have such
this macho persona that we have toyou know, hold up. And really
the smartest people are always asking forhelp, they're asking for answers, they're

(41:12):
asking how do you do this?That's what the smart guys do. They
don't think they know everything. Nuh. They get the people who know the
stuff, and they the people whoknow the stuff, and then they find
they're laying and what they're great at. So growing up as a man and
leaving the NFL and you know,just mature and I had to learn to
let go on my ego and itwas so liberating because it just allows you
just to see, like, myvision is more peripheral now. I could

(41:37):
see so much more now instead oflike thinking this and yeah, I'm still
bold NFL and that will never change. And that's what I try to tell
guys, it would never change.You know. I talked to Philip Lindsay
about this all the time. Youknow, he's frustrated going through some of
the situations. Bro, You're alwaysgoing to be Philip Lindsay, always Philip
Lindsay, So no one can evertake that away from you. So it's

(41:59):
okay to recreate Philip Lindsay into somethingelse because that Philip is always going to
be here, just like that Bowwas already here and he could be extremely
successful he's going to be no matterwhat he does. People love him.
He's got a great name. It'sgoing to be he could do everything that
the majority of guys like. Let'sjust say the guys are awesome dudes,

(42:20):
yes, who do stuff for theirfamilies and communities. You know they have
the best intentions in the world.I agree. So it's just letting go
of that ego and knowing that you'recapable of really achieving anything you want to
really achieve, because look what you'vealready achieved and went through. Business is
hard, but it's not playing PittsburghBaltimore. It's not. No, it's

(42:43):
not. So why can't you Soafter you get your NBA bow, Now
we move on to what you're doingnow. You are the founder of all
Pro Farms, and I love onyour Twitter says your favorite cannabis wellness provider.
That's a great line. Yes,that is me. Yes, you
have one hundred and forty acres insouthern Colorado. Tell me about the farm.

(43:05):
How you got into cannabis. It'snot like it just happened yesterday.
This has been a long time comingfor you. But it was also speaking
of revelations, how you figured outthat cannabis was very good for you as
opposed to other things that you weretaking during all of your injury time.
Yeah, this is me turning mypain into my passion. Goes back to
talking about letting go of the ego. In the hardest part with transition for

(43:25):
anybody is finding else what you like? What else do I even like?
That's the hardest part of football becauseit's so exciting, like this is what
you've been doing since you were alittle boy. Like it's a habit.
It's not even a hobby at thispoint, this is a habit. To
even figure out other things that youlike, that's a struggle for most of
the guys. Cannabis has always justshown up in my life. It wasn't

(43:46):
accepted. It was always demonized,you know, had this negative stigma.
So it's not like I could belike, oh I love weed and everybody'd
be like, great, we dotoo, right. I went to school
in the University of Texas. Donot like that stuff. Drink as much
as you want, run around withguns, but do not touch that plant.

(44:08):
Yeah, you know. And andwhen I was going through all those
injuries, pills were literally making mesick. They were like it was messing
my head up. And you runa lot of opiates, right, I
physically felt it like I am notin a good space. I'm sick,
I'm nauseous, like I would notfeeling good. And cannabis is always was

(44:30):
just a mood enhancer. You know. Ricky always says, I smoke cannabis
because it makes me feel good,and that's exactly what it was. I
was making me feel good and justslowing things down so I can navigate and
make clearer decisions because the OPI alwayswasn't allowing me doing that. Alcohol doesn't
allow me to do that. Noneof that allows me to do that.
Cannabis helps you just identify with yourcircumstances and be one with them and just

(44:54):
you know, slow it down.Obviously, you know sometimes you might get
your little paranoid whatever, But justbeing able to learn about the plant,
that's what excited me. So,you know, buying this land, and
I always tell the story. Youknow, my dad and my parents were
against this, you know when Itold him this, you know what I
was gonna do this When my dadsaid, he's like, so, Sun,
you think you're about to go buya bunch of land and just grow

(45:16):
used to marijuana, no disrespect father, That's exactly what I'm about to go
do. So I get a license, I find this amazing property, and
you know, my first style processis all I'm about to grow one hundred
and forty acres full of cannabis.Not possible, not here in Colorado,
so that that's not gonna happen.But it turned in. You know,

(45:37):
when you have this vision, Iwas able to start creating new things with
it. So obviously, yes,I want to grow this plant. But
now for me, I was like, Okay, I got this blank piece
of land, like, let mebuild an experience, let me build a
destination. Let me build a placewhere people can come and learn about cannabis
and be able to use it ina safe setting and understand it. And
now I have to look over theirshoulder and worry about being demonized, because

(45:58):
that's the biggest thing is we're justafraid that they're gonna be judged. Absolutely
Obviously, for certain employers don't allowpeople to smoke and stuffout that, but
I guarantee you they much rather thepeople do that than come in banged up
the next day, which is soacceptable in our society. And I can't
wrap my head around it. Youcan be hungover. Yeah, we all

(46:19):
have been hungover. It's the worstfeeling ever, you know. So just
really learning about the plants, thebenefits of it, the medicinal benefits of
it, and being able to havea spot in an opportunity just itself.
This is a generational opportunity now becausemy parents weren't allowed to do this.
Your parents weren't allowed to do this. So to be able to have this
generational opportunity to create a brand andbuild these facilities and grow these beautiful plants,

(46:42):
because this is the cycle of life. You plan to see. You
water it, you watch you grow, you sprout, and you harvest it.
This is the cycle of life.In the garden, just like any
other garden is such a calm andpeaceful place. It's so quiet out there,
and it's so peaceful, and itjust allows me just to be in
my thoughts and at the same time, I'm creating things that help people feel
good and made people feel better andhelp people get in a good mood or

(47:05):
get rid of their stress and anxietyfor a little bit. Just offer them
something that is going to make themsmile and make them happy and for that
is so fulfilling for me. Socan people go to the farm. Not
yet, there's some security. NowI don't advise you to go to the
farm right now. But you knowour brand launched last year, the all
Pro brand. You know, we'rea flower brand, so you know,
the flower is the actual plant,and everything starts with flower. All the

(47:29):
other products and everything they originate fromflower. And then they heat it,
you know, you heat it up, and then so you turn into oil
and all the other substance to makethe other products. Okay, so what
do you offer right now? Boththere's so many strands out there as strain
is what it's called, you know, this type. So for me,
I didn't really want to compete onthat level. I've been offering these moves.
So I got game time, crunchtime, downtime, and playtime,

(47:52):
and so my strands fall in oneof these categories. Game Time is like
the morning sativa that you you know, it's like your morning coffee help you
get going. The crunch times forthose high stressful times a day where you
just need to slow things down.Obviously, downtime is you know that evening
and playtime is like you just needa little spark where hey, let's go
have a good time. And soall my strands they fall in one of

(48:14):
those cool categories and I feel likepeople relate to that a little better.
You know, you don't care aboutthe cherry Gelatto twenty five? Do you
you carry? If that cherry Jelattomakes you feel the way, what's it
gonna do to me? Yeah?Yeah? Are they all smoked or all
flower? So right now all we'reselling is flower. I got these awesome
prepackage you can go buy me andI'm in probably twenty plus stores here in

(48:36):
Colorado and mountains in the Denver metroarea and just growing the brand. And
that's so cool is to be ableto you know, actually grow a marijuana
brand, a cannabis brand, becauselike you know, like there's no rules,
no one's like really really done ityet. So it's like I get
to like truly embrace this and buildmy own narrative for it. And my

(48:57):
narrative is part of my story.And now I get to just put all
this together and just create and helpeducate people like yourself and everyone else who
comes to contact with All Pro brandjust about it and they get to walk
away like man, I learned somethingfrom about Like, I'm high right now,
Susie, I would fully expect youwould be. What mood are you
in, I'm definitely in game timeright now, game time. I think,

(49:21):
I think our interview has been awesome, so I mean we're on the
ball right now, so that's definitelya game time. What do you see
your vision being for all pro farms. I want to build these many destinations
and experiences all over the country,and this is actually an international play at
some point, because I mean it'sstill so regulated all over the world.

(49:42):
So I mean, I hope inmy lifetime I'm able to have that opportunity
to do that. But I wantto build the blueprint here in Colorado obviously,
you know, the place where peoplecan come and whether stay at night
and just come during the day andjust enjoy themselves and you know, relax
and unwind, you know, likea winery. Be able to learn about
it and stuff, and be ableto duplicate that other markets with other athletes.
The hardest part for the athletes isputting their name on it. And

(50:06):
it took me a while to getto that point because you know, I've
built such a great reputation from football, and you know, all these other
things that I've been doing, andI was worried about what people thought.
You still think it's a stigma,But now I don't care anymore because I
know what I'm doing is helping peopleout. When you hear people tell you
how good your stuff makes them feeland how your products are, and you

(50:27):
know, you see what you're doingand you really understand. I need Roger
Goodell to walk through this garden withme so he can see, understand and
feel what I'm feeling, so wecan just change these discussions that we're having.
I think, you know, oncepeople get to that level where we're
able to do that and they reallystart understanding the plan, I mean,
it's a no brainer. I mean, this has been around for hundreds and
hundreds of years, and I thinkit's getting there bo. I think as
more leagues start to have a littleless of the stringent rules against marijuana,

(50:52):
that conversation is continuing and people areunderstanding the medicinal aspects of it. Especially
athletes are always a vehicle change.So as soon as stay you know,
as soon as we get that pastthis with you know, sports, it's
like, you know, the othercompanies and businesses start opening up a little
bit and it's a it's going tobe a win win for everybody. Obviously,
there's some politics involved in this,you know, with big pharma and

(51:14):
that type of stuff, and youknow that's not something I'm trying to go
after. And like, hey,you guys, do what you guys did.
Okay, you know, miser youstay over here. You know,
I just want to stay over here. I'm mind of my business visor,
all right. Bo. Last questionthat I ask all my guests, as
you look back through your life,and you look back through all the things
you've gone through, you know,injuries and ups and downs, what would
be your advice to people, andespecially now that you're in retirement and starting

(51:37):
a business, when they have setbacksand when they have things that put them
in a bad spot, your adviceto them on how to punch through those
and move on and move forward.This too shall pass is my favorite saying.
It's so real, but it's sosimple. You know, it's obviously
easier said than done, but youjust have to have Every individual has to

(52:00):
have this belief in themselves that theycan survive anything. And the proof or
evidence that they have is they're stillhere today. So everything that you've been
through in your life, you've alreadysurvived. You're a d a survivor,
So anything that you come across,you've already survived everything else, Why wouldn't

(52:23):
you survive this. That's the mentalitythat we just have to take in our
life because stuff is going to happen. You know, we're all either going
in crisis, in a crisis orcoming out one. That's true. Yeah,
whether you're a parent, whether you'rea businessman, where you're an athlete,
you know, celeb whatever it is, you know, we're all dealing
with something. You know, noone is exempt. You know, when

(52:44):
you look at it that way,it just kind of gives you that relief
like, Okay, you know,we don't know when it's going to pass,
but it's going to happen. That'swhat I try to tell the guys.
I have that on a sticky noteon my wall in my office.
I love that saying yep, oh, this has been fantastic, awesome.
I told you I was gonna giveus you did I know? You said
when I come in, it's gonnabe good. And I was like,
all right, let's go. It'sreally good to see you. I wish

(53:07):
you all the best with your farmand everything else that you're doing, and
I'm glad you're still around here.And I'm really glad you are. You've
mentioned mentoring and talking to a lotof the younger players. I think that's
great. I think it's so importantfor the younger ones to have guys like
you that talk to them and kindof help them out a little bit.
I mean, the most successful peoplehave an advisor, so why wouldn't we

(53:27):
need them. It's been great justto be able to have guys in my
life and people in my life thatI can just bounce things off of.
You know, we're just so muchstronger, you know, life as a
team, sport better together. Ohyeah, all right, Bo, good
to see it. Thank you.I love that guy. Thanks Bo.
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