Denny Neagle

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That was my problem, Suis.I wanted everybody to like me, So
that was tough for me to getused to and to hear the fans and
to hear it and rightly, sothey had every right to be ticked off.
You know, the team paid alot of money for me and Hampton.
You know we're not pitching. Well. You know, I'll be the
first admit that I think you rememberme. I was always a pretty stand
up guy and admitted that I stunktoday. So that was tough because I
wanted people to like me and Iwanted to do well for these fans.

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I wanted to prove that I wasworth that money. Welcome to Cut,
Traded, Fired, Retired, aweekly podcast featuring conversations with professional athletes and
coaches who have experienced being cut,traded, fired, and or they're retired.
I'm your host, Susie Wargen.When this episode's guest signed a five
year, fifty one million dollar dealwith the Rockies in two thousand, fans

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were ecstatic. Fifty one million dollarswas blockbuster money, and Denny Nagel came
with a good resume, third rounddraft pick, starting postseason experience, a
two time All star, and hehad just won a World Series ring with
the Yankees. Plus he was comingin with Mike Hampton, and everybody thought
all the rocky starting pitching woes wouldbe solved. But we all know pitching

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woes are rarely ever solved at CoorsField because it's one of the toughest ballparks
in Major League Baseball to pitch in. So Denny's time didn't go well,
and by July of two thousand andthree, he had played his last game.
After his playing career was over,Denny faced some issues off the diamond,
both legally and physically. These days, it's an entirely different story.

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He's family focused as a dad ofthree, a son and a brother,
and he's also the pitching coach atChatfield High School. Denny's had his share
of trades and ups and downs,yet he continues to roll through life with
endless amounts of energy and positivity.As you'll hear, ladies and gentlemen,
Denny Nagel Cut Traded Fired Retired Podcastwith Susie Wargen. Denny Nagel, it's

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been forever since I've seen you.We were just saying on the way up
here, I think It's been aboutfifteen years since you did an appearance at
my son's school's Democratical, which iswhere my husband worked, and that's why
we were there. And that isliterally the last time I've seen you.
Crazy, Where does the time go? I know? And so much has
happened since then, So thank youfor being open to coming in. I
didn't know you still lived around here. I love it. It's great pleasure.

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This is great, Okay, Sowe're going to go back and start
at the beginning, like I dowith everybody. You're born in Maryland and
that's where you end up growing up. Yes, when did baseball become your
sport? Were there other sports thatyou played? I definitely played all the
sports growing up, but baseball wasthe one that just stuck with me right
away. It was the classic fieldof dreams, you know, having a
catch in the backyard with my dad. It was his favorite sport. His

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idol was Mickey Mantle. His favoriteteam was the Washington Senators, you know,
and then when they left town,he adopted the Orioles as his team.
So I grew up a huge Oriolsfan. But my dad was my
coach from the time I was likesix or seven years old and just fell
in love with the game because ofmy dad. Really and were you always
pitching or did you play other positions? I love to play everything. Yeah,
I was first base, right fieldat one point. I was a

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left handed catcher too. We usedto do that back in those days too.
The ironic thing was I became acatcher because I threw my arm out
when I was younger, and mydad took me to see this doctor named
doctor Steele, who was the orthopedicdoctor for the orioles. I don't remember
what year it was. It TommyJohn actually had the surgery and then it
became famous after that, but itwas close around that time. I'm dating

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myself now. But the doctor lookedat me and my dad and he said,
mister Nagel. To my dad,he said, I wouldn't let your
son pitch for at least the nexttwo or three years. He goes,
put it to you this way,don't let him pitch until he can start
shaving. And I thought he wasjoking, you know, and I was
like, oh, crap, youknow so and it was my elbow,
you know what. I think itdefinitely was before because he would have said
this is Tommy John, you know, so when he had the surgery,

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people didn't start calling it that fora little while after that, exactly exactly.
So if I took some time offfrom pitching, I still played baseball
all the time. And then whatdo I do. I become a left
handed catcher. Still got to makepretty good throws to second base as a
catcher and stuff. So I'm justa glutton for punishment. Oh my gosh.
What other sports besides baseball? Didyou enjoy? Football? Basketball?
Soccer? I flip flopped for afew years when I was younger between soccer

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and football, and then I gotto that age where I was the typical,
you know, young boy, whereI'm like, okay, I got
to play football. My buddies areplaying football. You know, even though
I love soccer, I think Iprobably liked soccer even even better than football
actually, to be honest with you, but it was the peer pressure.
All my buddies are playing football,you know, you got to put on
a letterman's jacket. All the girlslike the football players, you know,
and stuff. So I used tocoumb to the typical stuff when I was

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When I was Youngositian in football,did you play. Were you quarterback?
I wish that was. That wasthe funny thing. I think that was
one of the reasons why I didn'tfall in love with it as much.
Because my best friend growing up wasthis guy named Brian Boschman, and he
was the pitcher shortstop in baseball.I was the pitcher first baseman, and
he became quarterback from the time hewas like seven or eight years old.
Heck of a player, and youknow, he was an all state quarterback
at our high school and stuff.So those years that I would flip flop,

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you know, I kind of lostsome of the He went way ahead
of me if I was ever goingto have a chance to play quarterback.
So when I came back to footballfull time, I became his tight end,
and so I was tight end anddefensive yep, Oh my gosh,
how funny. YEA love it.And then you said basketball also, oh
yeah, I love to play basketballtoo. And but where I grew up,
you know, I was in betweenBaltimore and DC. I was close
to Napolis area, so we usedto play some tough high schools like Damatha

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and Dunbar, some of these bigtime programs back then where they were like
you know, top fifteen, toptwenty in the country. And I was
like one of the tallest guys onour team and I was six to two
I think in high school. Wow, which was tall for them. But
like, you know, we wouldgo up against some of these teams.
These kids are dunking on me,you know, So I'm just I'm trying
to slottle cheap shot, elbows underthe boards and everything, you know,

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just to try to keep up withthese guys. That is funny, Okay.
So then when it comes to goingto college, you end up going
to University of Minnesota. Well,you know, I picked Minnesota for the
weather obviously, as does everybody.Everybody always asked me that, like why
did you pick Minnesota. It wasfunny because I was really had my heart's
out of going to the University ofMaryland. When I was getting ready to
make my choice, that was whenthe len Bias thing had happened, and

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he had odeed you know and stuffand passed away, and it just kind
of sent this domino effect through likethe whole athletic programs and the athletic department.
Interesting. Yeah, it was crazy, you know, and that was
my hometown college and stuff. Youknow, I loved Maryland. I really
wanted to stay home, closer tohome. But like I said, that
kind of just it really was adomino effect that it was. And then
you know, I was looking atNC State and Georgia and actually the one

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school too I was really looking atwas University of Maine. I loved to
ski also too. That was thatwas my big passion and hobby that I
love to do. And back then, the University of Maine used to make
the College World Series every year becauseI don't remember how they changed the rules,
but now you have to win somany games, and then they had
the super Regionals and stuff. Backthen, if you could host your own
regional, that was a huge advantage. It went from your conference tournament to

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straight to the big regional. Theyonly had the one regional tournament and because
they played in this I forget whatconference they played in, but it was
a pretty weak conference for baseball overall. But they would just run through their
own conference and then they host theirown regional every year and somehow they just
got this great seeds and played againstyou know, pretty easy competition. So
they were in the College World Seriesevery year back then. So I'm like,
man, that's the college for me. I can go ski and play

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baseball and stuff too. I wasready to go there, I really was.
And then at the last minute,the coach sent me a letter through
the mail, you know, sayingthat they ended up signing this kid from
like upstate New York, another lefthanded pitcher, and he was supposed he
was better than me and stuff,you know, And I was really disappointed.
And the funny thing was, asSusie is, I got a little
revenge too. So I ended upgoing to Minnesota because of my high school
baseball coach, who I respected theheck out of him. Mean, he

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was unbelievable. He's in the highschool Hall of Fame and stuff, and
unfortunately we lost him a couple ofyears ago, and just meant the world
to me. And he coached inthe Junior Olympics with the coach in Minnesota.
And when he got back from thatsummer, I didn't play in it,
but he coached there with him.He comes back and he goes,
Danny, you got to go toMinnesota. I'm telling you this the place
for you. They had the samecoach in philosophy, they preach a lot
of the same things that I've beenteaching you the last two or three years.

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So I respected him so much thatI was like, well, I'm
at least going to take the visit. And I took my visit, fell
in love of the campus. Itwas homecoming weekend. They were playing Ohio
State and football. Keith Byers wastheir stud at Ohio State then and stuff,
you know, and I remember theyknocked him out of the game,
you know, whatever Minnesota did.Ohio State was ranked like number seven the
nation, and they beat them athome, you know, and stuff.
So that was the old Metro Domethey were playing still, and so the

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campus was going crazy, you know, and stuff. And I had a
great weekend them, needless to say, it made up my mind to go
there. And then my freshman year, as luck would have it, we
used to have this big tournament everyyear in the Metro Dome for baseball.
Used to be called the Wheaties Classic, then it became the Pillsbury Classic.
But they would bring in all thetop teams in college Miami's, Oklahoma States,
the UCLA's USC's and my freshman year, Maine was one of the teams

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invited to it. So I madesure. I told my coach, you
know, I want revenge, sohe let me start against Maine in the
Metrodome. And how'd you do,I put it to him, got my
first college winning as uirosy Maine.No kidding. Oh that's awesome, sweet
revenge. That is great revenge.So did you guys play all of your
games at the Metrodome? Did youplay outside at all? Or could you
even? I know, it amazing, clear the snow out, you know,

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get the plows out, you know. But no, it's actually pretty
good time because we would play thattournament and then we'd go on our spring
trip to either California, Arizona,or Florida, and then we'd come back
and usually we'd have to play acouple more games in the Metrodome because of
weather, and then by the firstweek in April, end of March,
beginning in April, we could getoutside. You know, it wasn't too
bad. The same thing happens herea lot of times. I mean,
there's so many games to get canceledhere in March and April because of our

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snows. Yeah. Yeah, it'sno different in Colorado, that's for sure.
All right, So Minnesota goes well, you end up getting drafted in
the third round of the nineteen eightynine draft by the Twins, So you
don't go anywhere, you stay rightthere. Yeah, you know, at
that time, they had taken alot of heat over the years leading up
to that because they kept letting localtalent. Even though I didn't grow up
there, I was still considered localand Eurost Minnesota because they had Paul Mahlet

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or Dave Winfield, a couple otherguys before me too, that the Twins
didn't draft to Minnesota. Yeah,they all went to the Neurost Minnesota also
too. Yeah, we've had somepretty good history there. Yeah, Dave
Winfield obviously being one of the biggest, but I mean Paul Mahler's no slouts
either too, and so, butthere was a couple few other guys even
before that in the years that graduatedbefore me that kept getting drafted by other

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teams. So the Twins really hadthe heat on them, so they started
making an effort to draft all theguys that went to the nearest of Minnesota
that had some talent. That's kinda chance. So if I didn't get
drafted by them, I was hopingto be the Oriols for my hometown team.
So either one was great at thatpoint. So then you are there
for a couple of years before youget your major league debut. Your debut
comes in nineteen ninety one, Julyof ninety one. What was that like?

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It was crazy because obviously just gettingthe call. I remember I was
in Edmonton, Canada and TAA inthe Pacific Coast League had to go out
on a payphone before cell phones.Again, I'm dating myself again. Nineteen
ninety one, remember collect calling apayphone, you know, outside of the
Edmonton stadium, calling my dad,you know and stuff. And I think
I was gonna be pitching on thatSaturday. Maybe I don't remember which day,
but I just said, hey,Pops, you know, what are
your mom doing this weekend? Oh? I don't know, buddy. You

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know, I think we might havedinner planning something. You don't have to
cancel it, buddy, what areyou talking about? And I said,
you got to come to Minnesota andwatch me pitch my first major league game.
And so to hear him like cryingthrough the phone on the other end
was pretty cool, you know,I mean, that's what you dream of,
Like I said, I mean,I got my start playing catch with
my dad in the backyard, soto share that with him my mom was
pretty special. And then I hadone of the craziest major league debuts.
I thought. I literally made myfirst and last start of my first start.

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Why because my first guy I facedwas Paul Maltor. You go,
so he hits a laser off meto left field. You know, I
swear he got the left field andpoint two seconds. And then my first
strikeout was Willie Randolph gave up myfirst big league home run to Dale Swim
you know. So I got ridof all my first right away, and
then I'm in I think the thirdin, and I'm winning like two to
one. Candy Moulton. Now therewas this big Latino guy that was a

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huge, strong guy. I don'tremember what the count was, but I
threw I think a change up,a hard change up up and away.
He hit a laser so so fastback coming right to my forehead basically,
and it was coming so fast itis the only thing I could do was
literally just put my arm up,you know, because when I followed through,
I was right in this awkward position, you know, as left handers
do. So it was coming backat me so fast. Literally, the

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only thing I could do was justput my arm up. I put my
arm up, and it literally hitlike barely missed the point of my elbow.
You know. The doctor said,if it hit hit like a two
millimeters over where it got the point, my elbow could have like just exploded,
basically shattered. Yeah. So thankgod it didn't hit in that spot.
But you know, cause the firstthing I do is I'm looking around
for the ball scene if I couldmake the play, And it took like
two bounces into the dugout in themetro Dome, and the old dugouts in

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the Metrodome were pretty far from thepitcher's mound. That's how hard it.
Ricky shade off me. And sothen after I saw the ball go,
then you know, the pain setsin in my arms, locking up and
everything, and the coach pitching coachand the trainers walking me off the field.
And the worst part was it wasa salad because we were playing the
Brewers, who were their crosstown rivals. We were in first place. There
was like fifty three thousand people therethat night, and all I can hear
is fifty three thousand people on thejumbo Chan because they're showing the replay,

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just going oh god, you know, because it didn't look pretty the way
it hit my elbow and stuff.You know, my mom said, she's
just about that's their first game.They're going to first game. So my
mom said, she almost she almostwas puking in the stands, you know,
because same thing when she's there forcingher to watch and she's trying not
to watch, but she had towatch, and that'd be the worst thing
to watch for your kid. Ohman, So what happened then? It

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was? It ended up being okay, yep, it was just a deep
bone bruise and I was you know, I was on the fifteen day to
stable listen. That was it.So thank god. Now that year they
did go to the World Series,the Twins did. But you weren't on
the roster for the postseason. Nope. No. But I got to stick
around and you know, hang outthere in the postseason and watch a lot
of the games. I had toleave early because I was going to Puerto
Rico to play winter ball that winterand stuff. But it was fun just

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to be able to get a tasteof that. You know, I wasn't
there for the World Series. ButI was there through the Alcs and the
whole Blue Jay series, so youkind of got your taste of what a
postseason would be like. Yeah,probably helped for later on in your career.
Absolutely. In nineteen ninety two,you end up going to the Pirates.
Was your contract up with the Twinsor was it a trade? No?
Yeah, it was a trade.And again, this was funny because
there was nothing, like, notone mention of it or anything. You

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know. Usually, the next coupleof times I get traded, I'm sure
what we'll talk about. But thenext couple of times, you know,
the rumors are out there and myagent was getting calls and stuff. This
one, the first time I gottraded, there was nothing. I never
heard any rumors, My agent nevercalled me about anything. And I remember
I was in spring training. Wewere doing PfP the pitchers fielding practice on
the little back you know, shortfield, Tom Kelly, the coach,

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Yelsa Dick Sutch our pitching coach.You know, Hey, such send me
nagel So, Jack Morris and someof the veterans like, uh, what'd
you get into last night? Kid? You know, And I'm like,
I swear I was in bed atlike nine thirty. I didn't do anything,
and so Tom Kelly pulls me aside. And the ironic thing is susy
tooth because the year before, youknow, it was right before the World
Series, and there was an articlewritten by somebody from the Minneapoli starre Inchbune
and he interviewed Anny mcphil the generalmanager, and they're like, well,

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what about the future of the Twins. The future looks bright? He said,
yeah, absolutely, because we did. We had a bunch of good
young pitchers coming up in the organization, with myself and four or five or
six other guys. Including that conversation, and Annie mcfail was quoted as saying,
the one thing I know is Ilearned this from my dad. You
win with pitching. So one thing'sfor sure. We are set for the
future with guys like Nagel and WillieBanks and Pat Mahomes senior, who was
a good buddy Mark. Yeah,he was my roommate in the minor leagues.

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That's what it's been fun to watchhis watch his son do his saying
but yeah, Patt was another one, Scott Erickson. We had a bunch
of really good young talent you're articleI mentioned literally in that article, you
know. And so flash forward nowthat spring training in that conversation and Tom
Kelly puts his arm around me andhe says, the son, mister mcfails
has informed me that you've been tradedto the Pittsburgh Pirates. This is before
punked and everything too. But Iwanted to say, I'm sorry, what

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where's the camera literally, you know, and he and I said, are
you serious? And he goes,yeah, yeah, son, you know,
but it's a good opportunity for you, you know, and you're gonna
get a good chance to You're goingto Pittsburgh Pirates, you know whatever.
And so the cool thing so,Susan, my mom was from Pittsburgh.
That was her other favorite team,and her dad who passed away unfortunately when
she was like sixteen years old,but he was a Pittsburgh police officer that
you know, the cops worked thegames, and so he used to work

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the old Forbes Field where the Piratesplayed and the Steelers games and stuff too,
you know. So there was alittle silver lining, little silver lining.
It was only a four hour drivefrom Baltimore to come up to Pittsburgh,
so that was nice for them too, they'd have to throw about flying
out all the time. So itworked out great for me in then,
and you're there for four years,you become a starter for them in nineteen
ninety four, I believe, andyou become their ace in ninety five.

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Yeah. I owe a lot tomy manager who just got in ducked in
the Hall of Fame, Jim Leland, because yeah, like you so was
your manager there? Oh yeah,yeah, yeah. I was so fortunate.
I played for some great managers mytime, for sure, and Jimmy
was one of them. And thenit was funny because I've told the story
a few times of people that whenI first got there, he was always
so hard on me. And Iremember our third base coach was Gotting Rich
Donnelly who coached here inege Okay,I remember kimberd Leland also too, Rich

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a great guy. And finally theone spring training, I think it was
ninety four when they finally put himback in the rotation, but it was
right before they told me I wasgoing back in the rotation full time,
and Rich puts his arm around me. He talks to me one day in
spring training. He goes, Denny, you know that skip loves you,
right, And I said really,because I said, well, he's got
a funny way of showing it.He goes, Denny, He's hard on
you because he sees the potential inyou. That's all. He just wants

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to push you, man, totry to get the best out of you.
So just take that as you know, as a compliment, but take
it as a challenge too. AndI was like, Okay, you're right
Rich, you know. And thenfrom that day forward it was something just
click with me. And I thinkit was because of that talk with Rich
and then you know, and thenI went out there and I did.
I took it upon myself as achallenge, you know that, Okay,
Skip wants to see more out ofme, I'm going to show him that
I've got more in me and stufftoo. But he was also because Ray

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Miller, my pitching coach, wantedto keep me in the bullpen. He
thought I had the chance to bea possible closer at least a good setup
man. And Leland was the onethat says, no, we got to
get him in the rotation. He'sgot three or four good pitches he can
throw for strikes, you know,as a left hander. We can't let
him sit in the bullpen. Ray, He's got to get back in the
rotation. So you know again,I owe definitely that to Jimmy yea.
Yeah, So when he was here, and it's interesting because now that he

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did just go in the Hall ofFame and some of the things that he
said, people are like, wait, Jim was like a communication maven and
like he sounds like he was kindof cuddly, and I'm like, huh,
he had his different way of showingit. I think, oh yeah,
yeah, no. And he hereally was a great guy though too,
you know. I mean it wasthat was his challenge to me and
other you know, I wasn't theonly one too. He would do that
to other guys too. And infact, there was a great story sous

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my teammate. There was a guynamed Paul Wagner who had great stuff.
You might remember this game even too, but Paul just he just didn't believe
in his stuff. He was allof those guys you could see that he
had that fear in him, youknow, and stuff, and he just
be shitt and the guy through likeyou know, mid nineties with a great
slider and stuff. It was myninety five year when I made my first
All Star team and Skip called mein his office. He goes, he
always called me Danny boy at thatpoint, Danny boy. He goes,

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do me a favor. He goes, I'm gonna give you a blow.
That's what he called, like aday off. He was, I'm gonna
give you a blow. And Iwas like, okay, Skip, I
was leading the league in innings thatyear. He goes, you know you've
been going at I can see yourshoulder's been laboring a little bit. I
said, yeah, I could probablyuse one start off. Skip. He
goes, all right, I'm gonnastart your boy, Wagner. He goes,
but do me a favor. Don'ttell him anything, all right.
He goes, I'm not going totell him till the day of the game.
We were facing the Rock. He'sin Pittsburgh. I'm in the training

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room getting my treatment. It's theday of his start. He comes running
him with the whole wide eyed andstuff. Thanks a lot, dude,
you didn't tell me I'm starting today. I go, exactly, look at
yourself, man, you know you'requaking already. Dude. I go,
dude, this is what you wantedbecause he's kind of been going back and
forth the rotation of the bullpen.So long story short, he goes out
there and he almost no hits therock. He's in Pittsburgh that night he
threw a one hitter, Andres Galaragawith two outs in the ninth in and

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hit a chopper like off the plateinfield chopper or the big cat of all
people, and he beats out aninfield single for the only hit. But
Paul struck out like thirteen guys thatnight, and I'm like, you see,
And then just Skip told him thesame thing. Jimmy was like,
you see what happens man when youjust don't think and you go out there
and throw. Talk about the mindf that pitching can be, and especially
as a starter, I mean,you know, it's different. I've had

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some guys that were relievers and theywere starters at one point and then they
became relievers in the bullpen. Butjust the mind game of being a pitcher.
It's so easy forbody to sit thereand talk smack, but they have
no idea what goes into it andhow fast everything is happening and the ball
coming back at you like you werementioning and then just trying to figure out
where do I put this. Youknow, it's the closest comparison to a

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quarterback, I feel like, youknow, in all the sports, I
think, you know, those twopositions have so many comparisons because you win
and lose with the you know,and nothing happens till you throw that ball,
and the same thing with the quarterback. Nothing happens, you know,
until they snap that ball, andhe's got to make those split second decisions
out in the field, as youknow, Susan. I mean, you
know, you've been around both gamesfor long enough now too, and so
I've always felt like that's the bestcomparison, you know, and it's always
easy. Like you said, that'swhy there are so many Monday morning quarterbacks

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out there, you know, inbaseball and football. Why'd you throw that
pitch? Geez? How did hethrow that pick? It's a lot harder
than you think. God my gosh, I can't even imagine. How did
you learn to kind of train yourselfthen once, especially once you become the
ace and you know you're the numberone guy, that's a ton of pressure.
Well I'll tell you another story too, that really helped me out to
and it involves Leland also too.But in ninety three, I was still

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in the bullpen. And you've beenaround me, Susie, and I've always
had this attitude that you got tohave fun playing this game, you know,
and you can only get one life, you know, one chance to
do this thing that we call lifeand everything. But I always said too
that we're getting paid stupid amount ofmoney to play a kid's game, so
how can you not have fun doingit? But I lost it that year.
I wasn't having fun because I washaving a horrible year, and all
I was doing was looking over myshoulder seeing who was going to take my

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job, worried about like, youknow, am I going to get to
mote? Am I going to getsent down? What's going to happen next?
And then sure enough I get demoted. I got sent down to Buffalo.
I think I was down there allof like seven or eight days.
But it was the best thing thatever happened to me in my career because
Leland was the one who told meto, you know, and he's like,
dennybody ever send you down? Butyou know, you just go down
there, do your thing. You'llbe back up here soon. But you
know, take this as a challengeagain. And I did. But the

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number one thing I did, Susan. I remember sitting in my hotel room
in Buffalo, and I was upset, pissed, but not upset to the
pirates. I was upset at myself. You know, I deserved to get
sent down. I was pitching horribleat that time, and I looked myself
in the mirror and I was like, Danny, you're not having fun anymore.
I'm driving to the park just dreadingit. That's always been my outlet.
I always had that attitude that,look, we're so lucky and blessed
to be able to play this game. But I didn't have that feeling anymore.

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So I made that commitment, promisedto myself right then in there in
my hotel room, that I don'tcare what happens, but I'm going to
make the most of this second chancethat I get, and I'm going to
have as much fun as I canplay in this game, because that's what
it's all about. It's serious,it's business and everything, but you gotta
have fun doing it too. Andsure enough, I can't remember, somebody
got hurt and I got called backup my first game backup is get me.
Threw me right in and I hadto get a save with bass loaded
in Wrigley Field, you know,and so right into the fire. But

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it was the best thing that happenedto me too. And you know,
I felt like I never looked backfrom that point on because no matter what,
I had fun. That's awesome.Oh I love that. So let's
go to nineteen ninety six. You'restill with the Pirates, You're off to
a fourteen and six start. Youhave a game in late August of that
year. You pitch eight innings,give up two runs. The next day
they trade you to the two Braves. To the Braves. Yeah, you

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talk about a weird, crazy thingagain. And you know, some crazy
things happened in my career, butthat was another one kind of know that
was happening or was that a shockeras well? I knew I was getting
traded. I had a meeting withCam Bonifet, who was a general manager
of the Pirates in I remember wewere here in Colorado and he asked me
to come at breakfast and he said, look, Denny, we want to
sign you again. Kevin McLeay actuallywas the new owner for us, but
they didn't have just like the Pirates. Still this day, they don't have

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a lot of funds. It seemslike basically Cam was completely honest with me,
Susan, and I respected the hellout of him for doing this.
He looked me right in the eyeand he said, look, Denny,
I was supposed to sign you toa long term deal with you believing that
this team is still going to beat least a good core of it's still
going to be together. The factis, if we sign you, it's
going to be you and nobody else. You're gonna have to go through a
rebuilding process again. He goes,So, if you're willing to do that,

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we want you. And Kevin reallywants you. He really likes you
the new owner. But the ball'sin your court, Denny. And I
said, well, Cam, Ireally respect you so much for being honest
with me about that. And Isaid, look, I've just gone through
the last three years of rebuilding andstuff. My first year was with him
in ninety two, and that wasthe last of the three year run that
we had with Barry Bonds and DougJerry Beck and all those guys, and
then all those guys left and thenwe went through the rebuilding period ninety three,

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ninety four, ninety five, nowninety six. So I'm like,
man, you know, I'm juststarting to come into my own. You
know, I made my first AllStar team the year before, and I
said, Cam, I didn't wantto go through another four or five years
of rebuilding. I want to winsomewhere. He's like, well, that's
all I needed here, Denny.You know, then we're going to trade
you. It's just a matter ofwhere and everything. And then so I
remember I was getting ready to leaveSusan. I said, if I can
just make one request, though,Cam, I said, you know,

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I said, I know, Idon't have a lot to say. So
when this, you guys got totrade me to wherever it's going to make
most you know, the most sensefor your team as well too. But
I really liked the National League.I like the style of play here.
I like to swing the bat myselftoo, and stuff. You know,
he goes. The only thing hesaid to me was I think you're gonna
like were you end up? Idefinitely was not here in the Braves because
they had the big three Mattis Glavinand Smoltz and Steve Avery. I didn't
know how hurt Steve Avery was.I didn't realize that his shoulder was really

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hurting that bad. So when itwas the Braves, I was I was
shocked. I knew I was gettingtraded, but I didn't think it was
going to be the Braves, likeI said, And they were very good
in nineteen ninety six. Yeah,I mean I think I contender, like
that is crazy. I jumped likesixty five games in the standings because we
were like thirty eight games out andthey were like twenty four games up or
something like that. I mean,it was crazy. Wow. And then

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you do start, you start Gamefour of the World Series and get a
no decision YEP notices And that wasa tough one. That was the infamous
Jim Laertz hit the hook run homeer off Mark Walders to tie it up
in the six in. And Idid a podcast a few months back and
I was telling the story. Iasked he was a guy out of New
York, and he surprised me andbrought laborites on because he was out of
New York. But I love Jimmy. He's a great guy. So we

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were laughing about that and I justremember though, two sus. That was
one of my big regrets because,as I've been saying, you know,
I was a goofball. I'd loveto have a lot of fun in between
starts. And when it was mydata pitch, everybody knew, don't talk
to me. I put the headphoneson, I listened to my music.
I get locked in and I stayedlocked in from that first pitch to the
last pitch. And I remember thatgame. Kirby Puckett was in the stands

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and he was my teammate. Hewas one of the veterans that took care
of me when I was with theTwins. Kirby was there sitting next to
Cal Ripken, and Kirby was thereto get the Roberto Clemeni Award, and
so he was sitting right in thefront road, right next to our dugout
and I came up on deck.I was getting ready to hit. I
look over and he looks at meand kind of smiles. I wink at
him, you know, and hegives me that look like, come on,
stay focused now, and I waslike, yeah, I know,
I got it. I got it. Leuse. I was winning six and
nothing. At that point, youknow, and kind of went cruise control.

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But sure enough it was the nextend and then I went out.
I didn't get it out in thesix in and you know, I couldn't
get out of the end, Andso did Kirby throw you off? Is
that what you're saying? No,no, no, he was on trying
to convince me, like stay lockedin. So it was it was one
of those regrets. I'm like,dang it, I did let my guard
down for that split second. That'sall it takes. That's all it takes.
Yep. Literally, you will betaking advantage of if you do that.
Absolutely. Yeah. In nineteen ninetyseven, you have a season where

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you go twenty and five, youhave a two nine seven era, you're
an All Star, and then innineteen ninety eight, good numbers again,
and then you get traded again,this time you go to the Reds.
Yes, how did that one godown? That was just one of those
matter of circumstances because I think Maddicksand Glavin had full no trade clauses in
their contract and they weren't going togo anywhere anyways. It's Madison Glavin and

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then Smoltz was a ten and fiveguy, so at that point, if
you had ten years in the bigleagues and at least the last five with
the same team, you automatically hada full planket no trade. So if
you were going to get traded,you had to okay it. But Smoltz
wasn't going anywhere either also too,and so at that point the Braves we
were taking a lot of heat throughthe media and the fans and everything that
we have these great teams, butwe can't get over that hump win the
big one. Except for the ninetyfive season, what the team was lacking

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was more power in the lineup,and so they were looking at either a
left handed hitting outfielder or just apower hitting second basement. As luck what
happened, Brett Boone was available fromthe Cincinnati Red so the trade made sense
for both of us. The Redsneeded a better pitching and like I said,
the Braves needed a power hitting secondbasement. So it was one of
those trades that just worked out forconvenience. And you know, I hated
leaving Atlanta. I loved it there. Bobby Cox was with all due respect

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for every manager I've had, hewas my favorite manager. He was like
a dad to everybody, all ofus there. It was one of those
things too when you played against himin the posing dugout, he seemed like
such a fiery Henry type guy andstuff, you know, and you're like,
well, that guy seems like he'spissed off all the time, you
know, stuff, And then whenyou play for him, you just realize
when he is that way, hedoes get fired up. But it was
more at the umpires and stuff,because he set the record for getting you

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Jackson's and baseball and stuff. Butit was that's how much he cared about
his guys and stuff, you know, And so it was tough to leave
him and all my friends, youknow, in that organization because I was
really loving it there. But Iended up having a great time in Cincinnati
as well too, did you okay, because then you were you dealt with
an injury that was really on Thatwas the toughest part. Yeah, yeah,
you know, and I remember itwas not funny. But like I
made a comment too that ticked offsome of the Atlanta people and by no

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means met any disrespect. But mydoctor, who as a matter of fact,
I'm getting surgery on him this Tuesdayfrom my shoulder because having shoulder surgery.
Because because I've been the pitching coachthe last couple of years at Chatfield
and I'm throwing a ton of battingpractices. The kids have warned me out.
But it's the same doctor though,that's how much I think of him.
And Jim Bowden, the general managerfor the Reds, said we need
to shut him down, just havesurgery. And my doctor, doctor Timothy

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Kremchek, said, I'm telling Jimwe can rehab him. He goes,
just give him to me. Andthis guy named Lannie, who was like
Lonnie, was like his Yoda.This guy was unbelievable. He basically just
ran the rehab program through doctor Kremchek'sfacility there. Lannie ended up becoming like
the head trainer of the of theCleveland Indians, you know, because that's
how good he was. But bothof them were unbelievable. Anyways, long
story short, I'd made a commentsaying, God, maybe it was a

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blessing in disguise. That was thebest thing ever had to me to get
traded, because I was able todiagnose what's been going on with my shoulder
and get myself back healthy. Ididn't mean that as any disrespectful slab in.
I mean, I love the Braves, love my time there, but
John Schultz my buddies that were stillthere glaviing, and then we're like,
yeah, you really ticked Cheroltz offthat, you know when you made that
comment. And I made a pointof going over and pulling Schuroltz aside when
I saw him the next time Iplayed them and stuff, But it was

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just, you know, that's howmuch I thought of doctor Premcheck and this
guy Lni and stuff. So it'sstunk going through that series. I remember
my last start but I made beforeI ended up going on the DL for
good when they shut me down,because that's when Jim Bowden said let's just
have surgery. It was in herein cores and I think it was one
of those we end up winning.But it was one of those like twenty
four to fifteen games that the Redswe beat the Rockies. Yes, I

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didn't get out of the second inand can't remember who I faced that day,
but they didn't get out of thefirst in, and I think and
it was crazy though, I mean, I knew my arm was hurting and
stuff too, so they shut medown after that and that's when doctor Premchack
said, just give him to usfor like the next eight weeks, which
they did. Jim Bowden, youknow, listened to him, and boy,
I came back as strong as I'veever ever had in my career at
that point. Yeah, in twothousand, you're off to an eight and
two start, yep, and thenyou get traded again. Now that was

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another funny one too, because alot like when I got trade the Braves.
I had a conversation with Jim Bowden. He called me in his office.
I pitched a Friday night before theAll Star break, so he said,
Denny, can we meet on Saturdaythe next day after my start?
Absolutely? So he sat me downjust kind of like what he did with
cambon Ife from Pittsburgh, and hewas like, listen, Denny, you're
a free agent coming up, butwe'd like to sign you back here.
You know, we loved what you'vedone here and stuff and the way you

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bounce back and everything. What doyou think do we have a chance?
And I said, Jim, thisis pretty much my one and only shot
at free agency in that year,you know, I mean, after that,
I was going to be well intomy thirties. So I said,
I'd be lying if I didn't sayI want to see what's out there for
me. I would be doing myselfa disservice if i'd at least just check
it out, you know, androll the dice on free agency one year,
I said, now that being said, I love it here. I
love you guys, I love everythingabout Cincinnati. I'm going to give you

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guys every chance to sign me aswell too. I promise you that you
guys are a very short list ofteams that I want to play for.
He said, Okay, that's allI needed to hear. He said,
I might have to trade you,but you know it'll be at the trading
deadline. Well, three days later, we were going to be opened up
against the Rockies. So my nowex y Jennifer, and I were in
Beaver Creek, just spending the spendingthe All Star breaking Beaver Creek. So

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I remember we ran into Todd Heltonand his wife up there and stuff,
you know, and so we werejust up kicking around and I remember I
left my cell phone charging because itwas almost dead, and we went around
and walked around the village of BeaverCreek. I get back, and there's
like thirty eight miss calls from myagent and stuff, you know, and
reporters and stuff. I finally calledmy agent back. I'm like, dude,
what's going on. He was inAtlanta at the All Star Game because
he had Randy Johnson a couple otherguys that he represented, and he's like,

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dude, your name's getting thrown aroundeverywhere here. Man. You know,
you're supposed to be getting traded likeeight different teams right now. Jim's
pitting all the teams against you.Right now are the teams against each other.
So he's smart, you know,because he's trying to, you know,
strike while the iron's hot, soto speak. And so I said,
okay, well, I mean hetold me wasn't gonna happen the All
Star break, but all right,I guess it's gonna happen. And then
the next day he called me upday of the All Star Game and said,

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you got traded, you know,And he's like, where do you
think you're gonna go? And therumors were back to the Braves or the
Diamondbacks or the Red Sox I thinkthose were the top three, or Cleveland
because Cleveland tried to get me acouple of times, and so I was
like, all right, the backto the Braves. Nope, dime back.
So I go through the list andthen he's said, guess he's making
me guess. I finally say acouple more in a nope, nope,
nope, and I'm like, dude, where the heck am I going.

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He's like, who's been the bestteam in baseball the last four or five
years? I'm like the Yankees becausethe same thing. So was like when
I got trade the Braves, theyhad El Duque, Andy Pettitt, Roger
Clemens, David Cone at David Coneand l Duke were both struggling with arm
injuries that year, especially Coney,but I didn't know that, you know.
So that was crazy to be ableto go to the five player deal
and you go to the Yankees,so instead of coming it seems like everything

(31:29):
happened when you were here in Colorado, like all the weird stuff in your
career that is such foreshadowing. There'ssome sort of vortex pulling me back.
So you go there, you're sevenand seven, and you get yourself a
ring. Yeah, you know,it's cool. The biggest memory that I
take from that too. Sus isgrowing up in Baltimore, you know,
and only a two hour train ridefrom my whole family. That was so
much fun for them to be ableto come up and to be there for

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the whole postseason too, the wholeWorld Series, I should say, because
as you know, normally you playeither games one and two or three,
four and five at your home park. Usually the away park is either on
the West Coast or at least apretty good trip away, and it's tough
for your whole family to make thattrip and take all their time off work
and everything. Being from Maryland onlytwo hour train ride. In the Subway
series, they were able to stayup there for the whole series, watch

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the whole thing. Experienced that wholething with me. Billy Crystal was shooting
background scenes for his movie sixty onethat he did on HBO, so he
was there the whole time with hisfilm crew, And when we won,
my whole family's on the field,you know, your whole family come out
and celebrate with you and stuff.So I'm like, Billy, this is
my brothers, my uncle, thisis my dad, is my cousin.
Finally, he's like, holy crap, how many Naples? Are there a
lot? Oh, that's fun.It was a blast. So then you

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do become a free agent after that? Yeah, what was that like?
And that is how you ended upbeing with the Rockies. But there had
to be a lot of craziness.You were one of the hottest names out
there in two thousand. It wasdefinitely crazy. The biggest one was I
took my visit to the Dodgers.Kevin Malone was a GM because he was
the former GM of the Orioles,so we had a connection with that.
So he first met me there atthe stadium and then he brought me up

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to the president's office this Oh shoot, I'm gonna I keep forgetting his name,
Susan. But he first thing hesays to me, he says,
so, Denny, I hear youand Jonathan Silverman are good friends. Got
from weekend at Bernie's, Johnny andI met. Johnny's a big baseball fan.
Him and his dad used to cometo the All Star Game every year.
So we met in ninety seven theAll Star Game and just hit it
off. He's just a great guy, really good dude, big baseball fan,
huge Dodgers fan. So he says, I hear you and John the

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Silverman are good friends. I say, yeah, how did you know that?
He goes, well, you know, before I took this job with
the Dodgers, I ran a littlestudio called Warner Brothers. Maybe you've heard
of it. We produced both Weekendof Bernie's one and two, and I've
done a lot of stuff with Johnny. So he's a dear friend of mine.
That's fine. So I said,oh, well yeah, and so
he gives me the speed Susan andhe goes, so, Denny, here's
the way I see it. Youknow we're gonna sign you not maybe,
He goes, We're going to signyou to a four or five year deal.

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He says. You know, yougot the looks, you got the
charism and stuff. He goes,I understand you want to try to get
into TV and movies possibly too,And at that point I really did.
He goes, well, I havea few connections still in that industry.
He goes, So, the wayI see it, maybe you play off
this first contract, maybe sign evenone more here, you know and stuff,
and as you're here, I canslowly get your foot in the Hollywood
industry, you know, and startmaking appearances on TV shows, and movies
and stuff, you know, anddoes that sound good to you any Is

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that something you'd like, you know? And I'm like, yeah, that
sounds pretty good. So I waschomping at the bid at that point.
But the backstory is my father inlaw at the time was had a disease
called PSP progressive super nuclear palsy.It's a lot like als, but a
lot harder to diagnose. Dudley Moore, the actor that played Arthur, he
was the first like celebrity or famousperson that came out and was diagnosed with

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it and kind of put a faceto the disease and everything. But my
father always really suffering big time withit at that point. And so you
know, I knew in my heartof hearts what I wanted to do was
probably signed with the Rocky so Jennifercould be close to him and you know,
and we could just live and playhere. Yes, yep, yep.
I'd already met Jennifer here when Iwas playing for the Pirates and stuff,
you know, But yeah, sheis from here, and we'd already

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settled here and bought our house here. When I got traded from the Braves
to the Reds. We were likeall right, before I got trade the
Braves, we bought a place downin Bradenton, which was a spring training
facil site of the Pirates. Iget traded. The next year, go
to Atlanta. We buy a housethere. Boom, I get traded again.
So we're like, all right,that's it. We're not buying the
house anywhere else is the death.It will always cause a trade, yea.

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So we said, let's pick oneof our two of the towns.
She had already kind of lived withme in Maryland. So long story short,
we picked the Colorado and were alreadylive in here, and so I
wanted to do the right thing,you know, because she had told me
too sus the Turk credit. Shegoes, you know what, Danny,
I know how much you wanted toplay for the Dodgers. It was my
favorite part to pitching two suits.That place has always been a great pitcher's
part. And so she said,look, here's what I'm thinking. I
don't want you to look back twentyyears from now and be mad at me

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or anything else that you didn't playfor the team you wanted to play for.
But I want to stay in Coloradofor most of the season. All
we had was Trey at the time, my oldest son. I think he
was like one or two years oldat the time. Anyways, she said,
so, why don't you go geta condoor townhouse out there. We'll
keep the house here and then we'llcome out and busy as much as we
can during the season. And I'mlike, that's not going to work,

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you know. And I knew thatwouldn't be the right situation and stuff,
you know, And so I madethe choice to sign with the Rockies.
And the one other final point tothis whole story about Jonathan Silverman stuff.
As I'm driving in that day forthe press conference to announce the signing with
the Rockies, I get a phonecall from Silverman as I'm literally pulling the
parking lot suits and he goes,hey, he goes, called me Danny
Baby. Also too, he goesDanny Baby. He goes, I told

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such and such who I can't thinkof his name right now. He goes,
this is the phone call I promisedI would make to you from him.
The Dodgers were stuck at four years, So Johnny literally he goes,
I've been authorized to tell you they'regoing to give you the fifth year.
I swear to God. Oh,he goes, this is the first for
me. I've never acted as anintermediary or agent whatever you want to call
it, you know, and stuff. And I'm like, oh, Johnny,
you're killing me. I said,I'm literally pulling the parking lot to

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go do my my press conference,you know, for the Rockies. He
goes, I know, I know, Danny, I you know, I
know the whole deal and everything.I can at least tell him that I
made the phone call, you know, so I can have that off my
conscious, you know. I'm like, oh, Man, did you have
some second thoughts? I did?I did. You're in the parking lot
of course, Field yep. Ohmy gosh, that is wild that called
you on the way in Wow usingSilverman saving Silverman. Yeah. So you

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you start your time with the Rockies, you get a five year deal here
at that time, huge money.Now, it's nothing compared to what some
of these guys are making, whichis just insane. But and you came
in at the same time with MikeHampton, and it's a little bit of
a tough go. I mean,there was so much pressure, I think
on both of you to perform andjust bring miracles to this organization. What

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was that like for you? Youknow, I said, Zu's at my
press conference even when they announced thesigning, that I knew what I was
getting into, you know, Iknew what I was in for and stuff
too. I was always kind ofknown as a flyball pitcher too, you
know, even though I was leftyand crafty. It was the way I
pitched. I pitched more up anddown, you know, in the strike
zone and stuff. I would pitchin and out too, but my change
up was so good that I couldelevate the fastball, and I got a

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lot of fly balls, and weekfly balls. Unfortunately, week five balls
in Colorado can turn into home runsa lot of times. So I knew
what I was in for. Andmy line was, you know, look,
I don't play the game to playfor the numbers on the back of
my bubblegum cart and my baseball cart, you know. And so I honestly
I didn't feel I didn't feel thatpressure. I really didn't that way,
Susie, as far as like,you know, I have this, I

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have to go out and put upthese numbers, you know, and improve.
I'd say this. I did wantto prove I did make it a
point to say, I do wantto prove that you can pitch here.
Maybe not again, you're not goingto have the numbers that you're going to
have if I was still in Atlantaor if I went to the Dodgers or
whatever, and that's a given.But I wanted to prove that you can
still at least pitch and be successfulhere. So that was tough when I
didn't have success, because I justI just wanted to prove that. And

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I had this thing, Susan thatI struggled with. I remember I saw
Brett Farrv talking about this with JoeBuck when Joe Buck had his show that
he did for a little bit oneither HBO or Showtime, and Brett Favre
said this, and it really struckhome with me too. Brett Farvv said
that when he was playing, hehad this desire that he wanted everybody to
like him, everybody to like him, you know, and he said it
took him a while to understand that. Look, I fondly figured out that

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there's going to be a handful ofpeople that are gonna like Brett Favv no
matter what I do, because they'rejust big fans of mine. Then there's
going to be some that no matterwhat I do, I can be the
best guy in the world, thebest numbers, and they're gonna hate me
and he goes, and then you'regonna have another handful. I could give
two craps about you, you know, And that was my problem, sous.
I wanted everybody to like me,So that was tough for me to
get used to and to hear thefans and to hear it and rightly so

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they had every right to be tickedoff. You know, the team paid
a lot of money for me andHampton. You know we're not pitching well.
You know, I'll be the firstadmit that I think you remember me.
I was always a pretty stand upguy and admitted that I stunk today.
So that was tough because I wantedpeople to like me and I wanted
to do well for these fans.I wanted to prove that I was worth
that money, and that was theother thing I will say. It wasn't
the numbers. I at least wantedto show that, hey, I was
worth the money to bring in hereand stuff times that everybody's going to bring

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up, why did they pay somuch for you? Why did they pay
so much for Mike and so pitchingat Coors Field? Just what does the
ball do from a pitcher standpoint?And why is it so hard here?
You got so many things against you, you know, before you even take
the mound here, and one ofthem is the altitude. The ball just
does not spin as good. Soyour curve balls, your sliders, your
change up. My changeup would slipout of my hand more because I couldn't

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get a grip on it. Thisis before or the days of the ticky
tax stuff. I would tell youif I use some of that stuff.
Guys tried to use a little bitof pine tar sometimes or whatever. You
know, I never did. Iused to go to my mouth a lot
to lick. You know what youcould do as long as you stepped off
the mound, because I knew.I knew a couple of guys that tried
a little bit of pine tar.But me, I was like, I'm
not gonna put that stuff in mymouth. That's not gonna be fun.
But all that being said, youknow, you couldn't get a good grip.

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The ball would slip out of yourhand because of the high altitude.
The balls just didn't spin as well, they didn't break as much. Then
you throw in also too, LikeWalt White used to say, this coursefield
had the fastest grass he's ever playedon. So now you got that element
going against you. It's a hugeballpark, so now the outfielders are playing
back and everything you know and stuff. So now the bloopers fall in because
the ballpark is huge. And thenthrow on top there too, because again

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the thin air. Those lazy flyballs that would be an out not even
to the warning track in some parks, carry out because it because that thin
air. So you had so manythings going against you, but the biggest
thing, to be honest with you, Greg Mattis used to talk about this
and he was so right, andI think this is what led to my
injuries. He said, you know, coming in here, when he would
make a start, you know whenhe was with the Braves and he would
pitch seven innings, let's say,throw ninety five pitches. He goes,

(41:05):
it felt like I threw one hundredand seventy pitches out there today, and
he goes, it would take metwo or three starts till he started feeling
normal again after his course field start. So now imagine doing that seventeen,
eighteen, nineteen times a season.When you have that many home stars and
stuff, it just beats your bodyup. At the end of those first
couple of years, I was like, my gosh, man, my whole
body just felt like it was justdestroyed, you know what. I noticed

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that, And not that I amanything close to a professional athlete, but
I do a lot of running anda lot of biking. When we go
on road trips. I go onroad trips with the Broncos and we go
to lower elevations and there's humidity.I can run forever and I'll be like,
wow, I had a little bitof tiny knee pain a couple of
days ago, and there's nothing now. I think our altitude and the thin
air, the lack of oxygen,all of that. I mean, it

(41:49):
affects everybody, but at that levelwhere you're doing a professional sport, it
has to affect you absolutely, youknow, And like I tell people,
I mean, there's a reason whythe Olympic Training Center is in Colorado Springs.
It's the same thing. You know. If they can train at that
level and get their lungs and everythingelse and their bodies to react at that
level, then imagine how good,how good they're gonna do someplace else there.
That's why I run all of mymarathons, every single one of them

(42:10):
at sea level. I'm like,I'll train here and go there and do
so much better and all of howmany have you done? Oh, I've
I think I'm at seven? Nice. I don't know. I don't know
if I have anymore, Denny,that's on my bucket list. I want
to do one marathon before I'm done. Yeah, you could, you could.
You're you're in good shape, allright. So your time with the
Rockies not you know how you wantit to be, end up having your

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last start in July of two thousandand three, the injuries get the best
of you, and then you havesome things that happen in your life that
are downers as far as your personallife, and the Rockies end up terminating
your contract and you go through areally funky time. How do you kind
of get through that? And wedon't need to go into all the details
about everything, but you're who youare, and you get in the news

(42:53):
and there it is, yeah,and you got kids here and everything,
yes, you know, and thatwas that was a tough thing too.
You know, and I go backto what I told you a few minutes
ago. It was so tough becauseI was still at that point in my
life where I wanted everybody to likeme, you know, and look,
I owned up to it. Imade a stupid mistake, and I felt
horrible about it because of how itaffected everybody else around me too. I'm

(43:15):
a big boy. I can handlestuff, you know, whether it's health
issues that I go through. That'swhy I tell people too that, you
know, the one thing that stinksabout getting older, it's not dealing with
my own personal health issues. It'swatching my loved ones, my parents and
my you know, older people thatI know, and stuff having to deal
with. And not just older people. I don't know if you know,
Scu Susie, but I lost anephew to a drowning accident seventeen years ago
too. I didn't know that,and you know, that's one of the

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toughest things we ever had to dealwith. My own personal situation though,
is that that was the toughest partof knowing that. I felt like I
let people down around me that areclosest to me, and that's the last
thing I ever wanted to do.I wanted people to know that that's not
me. That's not the man mymom raised, That's not the man that
I strived to be. I tryto teach my boys that did you hit
a bottom where you just figured,Okay, it is time for me to
get my stuff together. Yeah?Absolutely, yep, without a doubt.

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So's I'll be honest with you.I was like, I always felt like,
you know, I never felt likeI was an alcoholic or anything like
that. But in baseball, especiallyback in those days, you know,
the alcohol just flowed into clubhouses andstuff, you know. So that was
one thing I had to look atmyself with is that. You know,
I think maybe Denny, you know, you might not be an alcoholic,
but it certainly runs in my family. And I needed to look at myself
in the eye and say, Ineed to make a change with that.

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So I still drink. I havelike two or three glasses of wine.
Maybe maybe that's my that's my crazynights out these days, you know,
and stuff, you know, anice dinner or something like that, you
know, stuff. But I madethat change in my life. But most
importantly, you know, I thinkthe one thing that helped me get through
everything to was that I knew deepdown to the core who I was as
a person, but I needed tomake sure that I strive to keep being
that person and that man stuff andset the example, you know, live

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that example absolutely. So as youkind of go through these times, you
get yourself back, you end uphaving a major health issue. But about
seven years ago, yep, andit was with your heart and you have
started to put some things out onsocial I read up a little bit on
Instagram, but you kept it prettyprivate and with good reason. I mean,
it's hard to go through some ofthose things. So talk about what
happened to you, because I thinkthere's a lot of people that deal with

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this particular issue. Yeah. Absolutely, because as a matter of fact,
like you just said, when Ifinally decided to put the post out there,
it was incredible, like how manypeople especially on Facebook. I'm kind
of new to Instagram, so I'mstill kind of get myself out good.
They did good, But it wascrazy though, who's like you know,
cause I asked my mom. Iwas like, you know, Mom,
I'm thinking about, you know,putting this out there, and she goes,
Denny, I think you should.I think you'll be surprised how many

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people might be affected by it.It was overwhelming, Like how many people
reached out to me and ask mewhat the medicine I was on and stuff
too, because of the same issuesthat they were dealing with. But basically
what happened with me was aphib Youknow, atrial fibulation runs in my family.
My dad, my uncle, mygrandfather had it, My brother has
it, and my brother had theAblazon surgery. Aphib it's like pockets in
your heart that make the heart,you know, skip out of rhythm like

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that, and so they go upthrough like the growing area and they literally
like burn carterized the little pockets inyour heart that's causing the aphib skips and
stuff. And so I was tellingyou earl Or too. My friends and
family always joked around with me saying, how the heck have you been the
one to avoid a fib you know, you're so high, strong and crazy,
mister goopball and stuff, and sothat was kind of the running joke,
and I'm like, yeah, Iknow, it's crazy. How you

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know I started that one, youknow whatever? And then lo and behold,
you know, it was about ayear before I finally got diagnosed with
it. I started noticing signs,and I was the typical guy that just
ignored it. I loved teaching myselfstuff. So I would be doing drywall,
I'd be hanging ceiling fans. Iwas putting the Christmas lights on my
house, my ex wife's house,my mother in law's house, and I
remember the one Christmas there was,like the Christmas of twenty sixteen. I

(46:32):
got done doing like two houses thatday. I did my mother in law
and my ex wife's. I tookoff my pants and I remember my cast
were so swollen, and I'm likethat, that's not good. I don't
think that's supposed to be doing that. And I could feel the heart palpitations
and everything, and susan honesty,I kept doing the typical guy thing.
You know what, I'm going tosee a doctor next week. You know
what, next month, I'll begood. And so I kept putting off,

(46:52):
kept putting it off, and finallyI was in Boston with my oldest
son, Trey. We were outthere to see one of his favorite band,
Mumford and Sons. And we werethere we called a Red Sox game.
Fenily Park is so tiny, youdon't have to walk very far to
go to concession stands, and soof all things. Looking back now,
I'm like, boll, that wasn'ta great choice. But I was going
to get a hot dog. Geta hot hot dog. Not much sodium
in tho. It's gray for thecap swelling exactly. That's why I said.

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I'm like, oh, my gosh, if I only knew then,
probably I did. But anyways,I just remember looking at my son and
going, Tray, I gotta sitdown for a second. It feels like
I just ran a marathon. Andwe just went from the seats to the
concession stands. And it was aday game. So after the game,
he wanted to go to the BostonAquarium. Same thing. I'm walking around
the aquarium. I couldn't go fifteentwenty yards without going I gotta sit down

(47:38):
again, buddy, something is thisnot right? And so we left Boston.
I flew back to Maryland because Ihad a place in Maryland still at
the time, and I would spendsummers out there. My son flew back
to Colorado. My dad was livingwith me at the time, and he
was uber driving, and my dadwas retired from his regular job and stuff,
so he was a super driving.I called him up. I said,
Pops, where are you? Hesaid, I'm just waiting downtown in
Napolis. It was ten fifteen minutesfrom me. I said, you want

(48:00):
to come home pick me up.I think I need to go to the
hospital. So he took me tothe hospital, you know, and I
was a typical guy too. Ididn't like hospitals, you know, I
don't want to be around and stuff. And so we get there and you
know, basically the doctor comes out, the er doctor, and he's like,
has there me ever diagnosed you witha famous forego? And I was
like, not me, but itdefinitely runs in my family. Guy exactly,
my Dad's like, I know whatit is. And so he's like,
well, you got it bad,and he goes, in fact,

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you're in heart failure right now,you know, and I was like,
oh okay. And so that prettymuch that holest. That was like the
end of May, beginning of Junetwenty seventeen, and the rest of that
summer. I literally spent the youknow, in and out of hospitals trying
to figure out I mean, weknew what it was, but trying to
you know, they did that wherethey they put you under for like five
minutes and they shock your heart.Yeah, the paddles, that's one of
the things that they shock it,and that helps it can It would put

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my my heart back in normal sinusrhythm they call it. But it would
last like two days and then Igo right back in a fit. But
mine had gotten so bad that basicallymy heart failure doctor that I ended up
with, she said, look,Danny, I think that you've gone undiagnosed
for at least the last two orthree years, so that's why it's gotten
so bad. And they do athing called ejection fraction ratio. It's a

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ultrasound that they do on your heartand they measure your EF your ejection fraction
ratio, and basically that just tellsyou how your heart is functioning, what
capacity. I've learned all this stuff. Most people are in that fifty five
to seventy percent range. That's normalbecause they said, it's like a car
battery. Over time, it's notgoing to have one hundred percent. Once
you reach a certain age, nobody'sgoing to be over eighty five percent.
Nobody's even going to be over eightypercent. So most people are in that

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fifty five to seventy. I wasat eight percent. Eight eight percent.
Oh my gosh, so I wassusan. I was breaking out and like,
I had rashes down my neck,you know, I couldn't digest anything.
I was starting to kick my foodback up because she said, you
know, if your heart's function ateight percent any you're not getting blood flow
to all the organs. So that'swhy your skin's your largest organ. You're
breaking out in rashes. I thoughtit was like my shaving creams. Yeah,

(49:50):
my body was shutting down big time. So they were trying a couple
of different medicines and stuff, andthen they finally said, you know,
if that doesn't work, we're gonnahave to put you on the heart transplant
list. So I was like,oh, okay, I wasn't expecting that
one. You know, I kindof tackled it su as like I do
with everything else in my life.I was like, look, you know,
I can sit there and feel sorryfor myself, but there's a lot
worse things that could have happened tome, you know. I mean,
there's a lot worse things that happenedto people in this world, you know,

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And case in point, my nephewwho we never thought we would lose
at five years old to a drowningaccident. So, you know, there's
my mom, my sister breaking down, and my dad got there that night.
They're all sobbing and stuff, andI finally go, hey, I'm
the one dealing with this. Youknow, you guys got to be strong
for me if I'm going to bestrong for myself. And so fortunately I
had the ablazing surgery just like mybrother had and my heart failure. Doctor
she kept saying, it reminds meof doctor Kremcheck with the story. She

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said, Denny, I'm telling youyou're not gonna need a heart transplant.
I'm telling you, I have astrained suspicion. If we can just get
the ablazeing done, get you backin normal rhythm, keep you there,
your heart's going to rebound. Iknow it's going to. So I had
the ablaze in surgery. I rememberit was October fifteen, twenty seventeen,
and by February of twenty eighteen,I had gone from eight percent all the
way up to like sixty two percentcapacity. Whoa, it was crazy,

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Oh my gosh, that's amazing.And so I just had to check up
with her in early October and samething. Great check up. Everything's doing
great still, it's great. Andall your family members are doing okay,
the ones that have it. Yep. My brother's been doing great and my
sisters had a couple more issues withher, but she's doing well. Also
to the Steve Avery, my teammatefrom the Braves, he just had his
second oblazion because I guess what theysay is you probably will need another one.

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And he said it's kind of likeonce every ten years, and I
don't think you can have more thanthree, maybe because of it, just
the burning of the heart and stuffwhatever, you know. You know,
I figured if I need two morein my lifetime, I should be good.
You should be okay. Yeah.So moral of the story is,
if you start having any of thosesymptoms, get your you know what to
the doctor. Absolutely right, absolutely, And that's one of the things scary

(51:43):
I tell people exactly suits. Idon't be afraid of doctor, especially guys.
We can be so stubborn that waywe are. We are, We're
so bad. Don't be me.Don't be a guy. You know,
if you feel something, go getit checked out. But when I made
the posts, because post surgery,I was on all this medication, the
eight o'clockers. Oh, oh mygosh, I put it on all this
weight because it made I started lookingup and I asked my doctor even too.

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I said, Hey, just outof curiosity, I'm seeing one of
the number one side effects on likefour of my medicine that I'm on,
and I was on like eight ornine different at that's At one point the
number one side effect was water retention. But I'm like, I haven't changed
my diet, but I'm just packingon the pounds right now. She's like,
yeah, well, we'll try toswitch this one, and so she
worked with me and tried to switchme from this one to that one.
You know, that wasn't as muchas the water retention medicine and stuff.

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But the biggest thing was is justeventually getting off most of them. I'm
on like free medication now, butthe lowest dose of each one, and
so that was tremendous. I wasa game changer. And so finally at
one point I was like, man, I just don't know if I'm ever
going to be able to get backin the shape that I've been accustomed to
because I've always prided myself on stayingin good shape even when I was done
playing and stuff. You know,when I made that post my saying on

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there, I don't know if youremember reading it or not, but I
said, you know, the oldsaying is the journey of a one thousand
miles begins with that single step.And that's what I did. I was
like, you know what, Denny, you just got to get back in
the gym. Start getting after it, slowly, but surely, don't try
it. You know, I'll setsome lofty goals for yourself. If you
can lose a couple pounds each week, five seven pounds at the end of
the first month, I'll be happywith that. That's exactly what I did.
Next thing, you know, sevento eight months, nine months,

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ten months went by and I droppedlike sixty eight pounds total. I mean
it was crazy. Is that abouthow much water weight you put on?
Yeow? Yeah, well you lookfantastic. They've obviously worked at it very
hard, so yeah, you lookgreat. Yeah. And then so what
I was going to tell you isthat I had a bunch of people reached
out to me, you know,on social media and stuff, and the
number one question was I didn't knowthem they were just baseball fans that had
a friend of me on Facebook.And he's like, mister Nagel did And

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I said, first of all,call me Denny's all right, Danny.
He goes, can you mind measking what medicine were you on? And
it's just matopra law. It's calledit. It's a beta blocker. And
like my brother and my sister wereboth on it and they felt exhausted when
they were taking like twenty milligrams.I want to say I was on seventy
five at one point, so youcould imagine how much it was kicking my
butt. And so anyways, thisguy was like, oh my gosh,

(53:52):
Danny, that's my wife and Iboth actually just went through the ablazing surgery
and we're both on the topa law. He goes, I put on four
and she put on twenty five overthe last like three or four months.
Wow. So I said, man, just you know, stay with it.
You know, the first thing isas soon as you can start talking
to your doctor about reducing the dosage, and then I promise you it'll be
tough. And then when you firststart getting back out there, but you'll

(54:14):
be able to do it because yourheart's going to feel a lot stronger.
You're just gonna feel exhausted. Butif you just do it one day at
a time, I promise you youwill say you know, you'll see the
light DA in the time. That'sgreat. You've been You've helped a lot
of people. Then, yeah,it's been a lot to me. That's
awesome. All right. So we'vetalked about your kids, your son Trey,
and then you've got twins, andeverybody has now graduated, but you
have been a baseball coach at Chatfieldwhile your twins were there. Yes,

(54:37):
and now you're going to stay onfor other year. Yep, yep,
it was funny. How fun isthat you love coaching? I do.
It made me fall in love withthe game all over again, Susan.
You know, I didn't realize howmuch I missed it. I still,
I mean, I still love thegame. I'm a fan of it.
I love watching every year. Ialways say when Spring training starts up,
you know, I get those juicesflowing again, you know, and I
get excited about the game again.And then when the All Star Game comes

(54:59):
around, I still love watching theDerby. I took my son and a
bunch of friends, you know,everyone. They had the Derby here a
couple of years ago and stuff whatever, and so, you know, I
still love the game that way,but boy, getting back into coaching,
it just really rejuvenated the love ofthe game and for me again. And
it all started just, you know, kind of as a fluke, to
be honest with you. It wasmy son's junior year, you know,
and he was pitching for Chatfield twoand the team was really underperforming that year,

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and the head coach finally calls meup the one day and he fell
bad because he kept putting my sonas a closer, you know, and
he really wasn't a closer. Hewas kind of like me, really good
pitcher that had good command and stuffwhatever. But I wasn't gonna argue,
I'm like nothing all closer to Hi, Dad, Yeah exactly. I said,
I'm never going to be that dad. So I just sat back,
you know stuff. The ironic thingwas that he had just talked to me
before his outing that, you know, when he called me again, but

(55:43):
right before that out and he goes, hey, Denny, man, I
just want to apologize. Man,I'm constantly putting your son in the toughest
of toughest of situations. But it'sonly because we had that much confidence in
him, you know, and wefigured he could handle and stuff. But
I'm gonna do better to get himin a less pressure situation to get his
confidence going again. The very nextgame, you know, they went through
a pretty much all their guys,and Chase was my son, was the
last one to come in bases loadedone out, one run lead, and

(56:06):
he gave up the winning run.So so the next day the coach calls
me again and he's like, Henny, I'm sorry, and I say,
hey, coach, it's not yourfault, you know, I mean the
situation dictated you know, and stuff. But long story short, he said,
listen, I could really use yourhelp, Denny. You know,
he goes, what do you thinkright now? And stuff whatever. So
I kind of told him a fewthings that I've been seeing, like what
the catchers were doing. They weren'tsetting up, you know, hitting the
corners and stuff like that, anda couple other things. And then finally

(56:28):
he goes, do you want tocome out and start helping tomorrow? And
I was like, yeah, I'dlove to, man, I said,
you know, I said, butI want to make sure, the pitching
coach knows that I'm not there totake his job. You know, I'm
just going to offer some insight.And as fate would have it, the
pitching coach ended up going elsewhere andstuff. He was a young kid,
you know, and stuff, andhe was looking to get in some private
lessons and stuff like that. Butand then so my son senior here,
Unfortunately he didn't even pitch because heneeded Tommy John. He tried the PRP

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INJECS. Doctor noon in here fromyou see health and stuff, you know,
worked with him and we thought hewas going to be able to come
back from it and stuff, youknow, but it just wasn't happening in
and stuff and Susane he did onething that you know, I'm so proud
of him. We were doing indoorpitching and stuff whatever, and he hit
like two guys. He was allover the place and he had control like
me, that was his thing.And so you know, he's throwing his
glove and he's getting ticked off,and we get home that night. I

(57:13):
didn't say anything to him. Thenwe get home and I was like,
okay, buddy, and he almosthad tears in his eyes and he goes,
no, Dad, He goes,my arm's killing me. He goes,
I can't do it anymore. ButDad, I don't want to take
up a roster spot just because I'mDenny Nagel, the pitching coach's son,
you know, and you're Denny Nagel, and that spots would go to somebody
who deserves it, who can helpthe team out this year. And he
says, are you disappointed, Dad? You know? And I was like,
buddy, are you serious. Icouldn't be more proud of you.

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Man. I God, you knowhow much heart that takes and guts to
admit that you just did the oneof the most selfless things that anybody can
do. And so he stuck aroundand did some games, broadcasting the games,
you know, for the school websiteand stuff last year, you know.
But yeah, so last year wassupposed to be my last year.
The juniors on the team went tomy son, you know, during school.
He came home the one day andhe goes, Dad, the juniors
are trying to They wanted me toconvince you to come back for one more
year, at least for their senioryear. He goes, you can talk

(57:58):
to my dad too. So Finally, when the season was over and we
lost last year, I had atext message from about a bunch of the
juniors. So, Coach, wedon't know if you're coming back or not
up, but we just wanted totell you we really want you back.
So if it's any way you cansee in your heart to come back to
us. So you know the famousscene from Wolf of Wall Street, Yes,
Leonardo DiCaprio, remember, and he'stalking to his guys in the office
and he goes, I'm not everleaving. I'm not ever leaving, you

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know. I sent that clip toall the juniors, you know, on
that text mess, I go thishow I feel about Chapfield Baseball, you
know, and it goes, I'mnot ever leaving. And they're all like,
yeah, he's doing it one moreyear and then we'll see you.
Yeah, anything else that you're doingthat I'm that I'm missing. I feel
like you're all over the place.Yeah, you know, I mean,
this is another thing I've really beenenjoying. Also too, I've been doing
a ton of podcasts over the lastyou know, just guest hosting and stuff.

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I mean, you know, beinga guest. But I have been
a guest host too. There's abuddy of min named Frank Nicato. He's
a comedian friend that I met overthirty years ago in Pittsburgh. He started
out in Pittsburgh and he was oneof those guys who's that when he would
be like the opening or the firstguy on, and he would kill it.
He would always be better than theheadliners. And I would tell him
like, because I love comedy calls, I'm like, dude, you're gonna
make it. So he ended uphosting a show called street Smarts on Comedy

(59:04):
Central and stuff. It was likea spin off of Jaywalking, the Jaywalking
Get on jay Leno. So hehosted that. He was on Last Comic
Standing. So he is now hostingthe show called Punchlines with Frank Nikotaro out
of the South Point Hotel and Casinoin Vegas. Oh, I've seen your
posts on that that you go outthere a lot. Yeah. So I
did two just remotely to start out, and then I went out there and
did three on site during the worldseries and I got like Marty Cordova,

(59:28):
Greg Vaughn, and Tom Glavin tobe guest on there. So the producer
of the show is a Pittsburgh guy, huge Pirates fan. So I hit
it off with him and everything too. I just did another one two days
ago with him, just remotely,and so they want me to come back
again and do another week in Februaryand stuff. So there's a chance,
you know, there's a chance,who knows, I might maybe might be
the permanent co host with him.Oh yeah, Well you're great. I

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mean you've always been. I meanone of the reasons we connected so well
is you were just always so goodwith the media. I mean, we
loved you. You know, everybodyenjoyed being around you and your fun and
you don't hold back and we alwaysappreciated that. Thank you, Susan that
I appreciate it and a lot offun. All right. So last question
for you, as you look backon all of your ups and downs and
things that you've gone through, whatis your advice, and especially now that
you're coaching at the high school level, what do you tell people when they

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have their lowest of lows on onhow to get back, whether it's having
a personal issue of health issue,injury, et cetera. My best advice
I think I can give any ofmy kids and people in general though,
too, is that We're not promisedanything other than today, right, you
know, so I feel like youhave to make the most of every moment
you get in this life. Enjoythe ride, make the most of it,

(01:00:35):
and don't worry about all the otherlittle things. You know. I
tell our guys that, you know, I'm like, look around right now
and look at the guys next toyou. You're never going to get this
back, so soak up every momentof this time that you're playing together.
You know, if we can wina championship, great, that'll be unbelievable
too. But the things that youguys will never forget is this camaraderie and
the friendships that you develop, youknow, playing this game and stuff.
That's my biggest advice is that,you know, like the old Ferris Bueller

(01:00:58):
line when he looks at the cameraand says, life, it was pretty
fast. If you don't stop andlook around once in a while, you
might miss something. Yep. That'sprobably the best advice I can give.
You know, we're only on thisplanet for so long, so why not
make the most of it. Takeadvantage of every moment you get. I
think that's great advice, and youobviously did that during your career. You
have so many guys that you befriendedand that you're still close with these days.
I'm assuming you stay in touch withlots of them. Oh yeah,

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yeah, you know. I dothe Brace Fantasy Camp every year, so
I'm really tired with those guys.When Larry, when they retired his number,
Larry made sure he texted me andsaid, you better get your butt
here. Also too, Nigel,and so I bet he didn't say quite
like that. I get the graateed version. Well, this has been
so much fun. Thank you forcoming in, and I love that you're
still here and you're doing great.It's so good to see you anytime.
Thanks Susy. Thanks Denny, somuch fun to see him again. New

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