Terry Shumpert

He came from a high school in Kentucky that produced a number of well-known athletes, like Steve Finley, George Wilson and Kurt Barber. Terry Shumpert thought basketball at Paducah Tilghman High School would take him to the next level, but a knee injury turned his focus to the diamond. Shump could hit, was fast around the bases and had quite the glove on defense.

He took his baseball skills to the University of Kentucky where he was a 3-year starter, 2X First Team All-SEC and still ranks near the top of the records books for the Wildcats in stolen bases. He was named an SEC Legend in 2013.

Major League Baseball scouts noticed Terry at Kentucky and he was drafted in the 2nd round by the Kansas City Royals in 1987. It took a few years for his MLB debut, but it finally came in 1990 and from there he stayed in the Bigs until retirement in 2004. Five of his 14 seasons were spent the Rockies where he became the ultimate utility player. During his career, Terry played every position except pitcher and catcher. He was Mr. Reliable.

After baseball, Terry focused on his five children with his wife DeQuita and has tried to impart the knowledge he has learned throughout his career, while also giving his kids the space to make their own decisions.

Episode Transcript

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So I get to the stadium andI'm not in the lineup, and so
I'm just thinking like, okay,maybe it's a day off. So I'm
just watching the game whatever. Andthen so after the game, the manager
calls me into his office. Helooks at me, he says, why
and you ask me why you weren'tplaying? And I looked at him and
I said, well, I don'tknow. He said, well, that's
not like you. Why and youasked me that why weren't you playing right

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there right And I said, Idon't know. I just figured you wanted
some give somebody else a chance toplay, you know, and I know
I playing well. He said,well, get your bags, you're going
to Kansas City tonight. Got agame tomorrow. Welcome to cut, Traded,
Fired, retired. The title isa mouthful, but it covers nearly
everything that can happen to a professionalathlete or coach. And my goal is
to talk to as many as Ican so we can all gain perspective,

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learn from challenges, and maybe findsome inspiration for our own lives. I'm
your host, Susie Wargen. Thisepisode's guest thought basketball was his ticket to
a college scholarship, but when aknee injury in high school sidelined him,
Terry Schumpert turned to the baseball field. He had a couple of offers and
opted for the University of Kentucky,where he was first team All SEC for
two years, maintained a stellar battingaverage and still ranks near the top for

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stolen bases. In nineteen eighty seven, Terry was drafted by the Royals in
the second round and made his MajorLeague debut in nineteen ninety. His MLB
career would end up spanning fourteen seasons, including five with the Rockies, where
he played every position except for pitcher, catcher, and first base, and
that's only because Todd Helton was playingat the same time. He's been labeled

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as the ultimate utility guy and useshis years of experience to help guide the
five children he has with his wife, Daquita, as well as a club
travel basketball team he's involved with.Terry was so fun to talk with when
I was covering Rockies games in thelate nineties and early two thousands, and
he's still fun today. Ladies andgentlemen, Terry Shumpert Cut Traded Fired Retired

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podcast with Susie Wargin. Hello,Terry Schumpert, Hi, how are you?
I'm good? How are you todo? I'm doing great. It
was a great seeing you the othernight, and now we're here, and
now here we are, I know, And it's one of those where I
looked at it. I'm like,dang it, how many times have I
seen Terry various things? And Ihaven't had you on the podcast, So
yeah, I had to. Wewere out at a restaurant and I'm like,

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yep, and we happen to besitting right next to each other,
which is so funny. Yes,and not our first restaurant experience together,
because we had a crazy New Year'sEve experience one time with the Vandaway's and
the McCaffrey's. They oh man,it was so expensive. I had no
right being there, and as yourwife said, neither did you. But
you guys, you guys could haveafforded it better than than Mike and I

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back that way. It was agreat time. It was fun. We
had a great time that night.So it is so good to see you.
You have been around the Denver areasince you're retired, haven't you.
Yes, since we're really we movedit permanently in two thousand and one,
and then when I retired in twothousand and four. You know, and
we've just been around. Yeah,and your kids have all grown up here,
and we're going to talk about allthat, but we're going to go
back to the beginning with you,Terry. You're born in Kentucky, Paducah.

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Is that how you say it?That's it? Okay, very good?
And you went to Paduca Tilman TillmanHigh School. I couldn't figure out.
I was like, Oh, there'sa gh in there. How do
you say that? When did baseballbecome your sport? Did you play other
sports growing up? Well? Ialways tell everyone because I've been so active
in the community here in Denver withbasketball. It's always some good basketball players.

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Yeah, we do, thank youand so. But that's kind of
where it started, being from Paduca, from Kentucky. You know, we're
a basketball state, right. Weall love basketball and it's all through our
family and all. But in ourfamily, you know, we actually play
play all this words, mainly thefootball, basketball, and baseball. Probably
like a lot of little kids,I grew up playing all of them.

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And when I saw all of them, soccer wasn't included, but it was
basketball, baseball, and football,and so I can't really say that I
loved baseball anymore than football or basketball. You play them all into it kind
of like becomes what it is.And so in my case, I played
basketball, and basketball was probably whatI was known for around Paduca because it's
you know, it's so much moreglamorous, right, you know, And

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in the high school seasons, youknow, everyone comes to the basketball games
and baseball is not too popular.And so my intention was to go and
play basketball in college. Up untilmy senior year. I had a few
offers. My big one was aSeaton Hall with PJ. Carlissimo, and
I remember I visited u NC Wilmington. You know, it was always really

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cool to have Jobe Hall and DennyCrumb. We were at several games watching.
We got to play games at rappArena and Freedom Hall, and so,
you know, I was really intoit. And then I had a
knee injury. Actually my last year, i'd gone to visit at UNC Wilmington
and I was going to go toSeaton Hall for a visit and my knee
just started hurting out of nowhere.It was a torm niscus. So back

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then, you know, the recoveriesweren't anything like they are today. All
I ever knew about a knee injurywas that What I thought anyway, was
that if they have a knee injury, you can't play basketball anymore. And
that's literally how I be came abaseball player full time. You're kidding me.
The knowledge wasn't there back then forsomebody to set you aside and say,
hey, listen, we could gorehab this and you can go play

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basketball. Oh man, Terry,what position did you play in basketball?
I was a guard? I playingguard guard? So you ran the show?
Yeah, it kind of, Iguess, kind of, Yeah,
probably you did. I'm guessing.So you make that transition then to baseball.
How did the knee injury, youknow, kind of work your way
in there. It was right afterour last basketball game. I was going

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to start making these official visits.I showed up at a baseball practice.
I couldn't run. We were goingto run sprints, and it was really
ache and really bothered me, andone time it actually locked up. So
our summer coach was a chiropractor,and so I went, it's just crazy
things they did. You went tothe chiropractor for your knee page. We
went to the chiropractor for d paid. It was the mid eighties, you

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know, we didn't know any better. So I went there and out of
nowhere, he gave me a courtzoneshot. And so now that's what I
say, the things that you know, our parents, you know what they
allowed and what happened, just toget you back on the corrida on the
grass, even at that particular time. And so he gave me a courtzone
shot, and literally everything just wentaway. And so I played all through

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the summer, and this is thetime I decided I wanted to play baseball.
The Kentucky coach, coach Madison,he had seen me play and watched
me in my eighth grade summer andfor a while, yeah, yes,
and wanted me to come to Kentucky. Said you know, I want you
to come and play for me atKentucky whatever. And I was really excited
about it, and it was abig deal. It was a huge deal
because all our teammates are there andeverything. Yeah, and so but then

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you know, once basketball season willstart, you kind of like forget about
it. So then when that happened, when I hurt my knee and I
had the quarter zone shot, andI called him and said, you know,
do you still want me? Wow? And so then I went to
Kentucky and played baseball. So Iwent all the way through that summer playing
and then when I got to Kentuckyin the fall, so this would have

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been in probably in March when Igot this shot, and so not until
after our fall baseball season. SoOctober it started hurting again, started bothering
me because the courzone wore off.Yes, but it allowed me to get
through summer baseball and then through fallbaseball at Kentucky and it started hurting me
and so went wore off. Iwent in and saw still a renowned doctor,
doctor Andrews in Alabama. Mobile theyflew me there and what was so

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it was a tormentiscus okay, butthen you had the resources at Kentucky to
help you figure out what it wasto get it rehabbed. Wow. Yes.
Did you have other baseball scholarship offersthen or was Kentucky pretty much?
Yeah? I just had one morebaseball offer and that was to SIU Southern
Illinoisies. And the thing about Suluki, so their coach, the Suluki coach

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is Itchie Jones. He was agood friend of our American Legion coach Steve
Finley was on my team since LittleLeague Wow. And so Steve Finley was
a year ahead of me, andso he just went to the same high
school. Yeah, we were atthe same high school. And he actually
went to so In Illinois a yearbefore I did. And so they all
thought that I would go to sellIn Illinois with him because he was such
a good player and Itchy, Imean literally Itchy was always you know,

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he was around at our games.And but I was a Kentucky guy.
Yeah, you know, I justwanted to play for Kentucky. You're a
wildcat, yes, yeah. Andyou did very well at Kentucky while you
were there. In fact, intwenty thirteen they honored you as an SEC
legend. You were All SEC firstTeam two years in a row in eighty
six and eighty seven, had agreat batting average. I think you're still

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top five for stolen bases. Iknow you were as of a couple of
years ago. I don't know.You don't keep up on it. That's
for all of us that like todo research. Yes, yes, but
what was your time like at Kentucky. Obviously you were very successful, and
that also got you noticed in theMajor League Baseball draft because you were drafted
early. Yes, you know,it was an excellent time. The dorm
life, of the campus life andall and so funny there is because you

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know, you're a baseball player.And I think our football team the time
when I was there maybe won likefour games. Oh in all those years,
I think one year we actually werezero to twelve. I never moved
off the dorm. I was theonly baseball player upper classmen that stayed in
the dorm all the year. Ohinteresting, yes, but but I liked
it because all the football players mostlythey would stay they did do that,

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stay in the dorms. And soa lot of them were my buddies.
You know, we play pool,just hang out whatever. Yeah and so,
and the dorm was so much closerto classes. Oh yeah, yeah,
and so easier. I didn't wantto have to get them, you
know, go over your food forfood is there exactly? You're closed.
You know, those guys would berunning from their apartments trying to get back
to the cafeteria and all. Itwas good for me and so Kentucky basketball

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is everything. Yeah, right,you know, did you ever think about
trying to go out for the basketballteam while you were there as a baseball
player? Did they talk about it? Yeah? You know. So this
year in women's basketball TCU, theyhad a lot of injuries and they had
trouts on their campus, like opentrials, and so that happened at Kentucky
they weren't have open trials, andso there was an another football player that

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was a really good football player fromCincinnati, and we were kind of known
as like pretty good players. Sothe big thing like, we're both going
to go and try out. Thenwhen our baseball coach got win of it,
he said he wasn't going to letme do it. I'm sure the
football coach did the same thing.Yes, yes, I'm not sure that
conversation. But our baseball coach hewouldn't let me. Said no go.

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All right, so after college youhave a great career. Like I said,
at Kentucky, you're in the nineteeneighty seven draft, you get drafted
in the second round by the Royals. You make your debut in May of
nineteen ninety. So we got afew seasons where it's the grind of baseball.
What was that, like, howmuch did you spend time in the
single? Yeah, the miners.When I first got into pro ball,

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that was the first time it wasreally eye opening, like how good people
are. Oh, yeah, youwere the cream of the crop before,
and now you're with a whole bunchof guys that are also really really good.
Yes, and so even you know, and everyone knows what SEC baseball
is right now, the guys aregood and you play there. So then
the Royals drafted me and I goto Eugene, Oregon was my first job,

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and I have a good season.Right, it's a single. It
was a rookie ball. It wasthey called it short season, so it's
right a level like even below aball a ball, So it's short season
a ball, it's what they calledit. And that's because you know,
we get drafted and we come inin the middle of July, really,
and so we played for two acouple of months. I think it was
maybe like fifty something games, whichis a lot of games. That's still

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how did you play in college gamesin college? Then it's probably that amount,
around between fifty and sixty all right, So then I played a short
season and I have a good seasonand so the way it works in the
minor league, so they have thiswhat they call instructionally, and instructionally is
where the team invites like their prospects, maybe their top three guys at each

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position from short season to Triple Ato Double A. So the top three
guys from each position would meet afterthe season for another six weeks, so
I think it was maybe from seSeptember to the middle of October to write
it, right before Halloween. Andso my first experience, I got there
and we're working out at our positions. I remember thinking, why did they

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draft me, you know, becauseeverybody was so good? Yeah, everyone
was so good, and you know, and it's as what I always tell
and I knew our kids and evenour team when people say, man,
you know you played that long inthe major leagues. You're just so like
humble, so quiet, whatever,And one of those reasons I think it's
because, well, my main reasonI think it is because I grew up
playing with Steve Finley and another guynamed Joe Hall. Joe was a year

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younger than me and Steve was ayear older, but we were on the
same team. Paduca's twenty thousand people, right, Okay, so you don't
switch club teams, you know,you know what I mean. So you're
just playing on the same team allthe time. And so there was a
time where I was never the bestplayer on my team, probably in baseball,
you know, and I was areally good player, but there's times
when you know, I probably wasyou know what I mean. I just

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knew that those guys were really goodI was playing with right, right,
So you were already humbled a littlebit from growing up. Yeah, from
growing And that's why I think it'swhy I'm able to have my kids play
with talented players, because it's nota thing like that doesn't affect your journey,
that's not going to affect your endgoal because you're going to get what
you're going to get. And sogo back to that. So now I'll

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go to Kansas City and they draftme in the second round with I think
the forty first pick in the draft, you know, which is really high.
And I get there and I'm saying, like, man, like there
actually there were four guys at eachposition, So I said, these are
second basement, Like I'm I'm thefourth best second basement here. And because
you know, I can see things, I can evaluate, right, you
know whatever, and I knew.I was like, man, well,
what in the world did they dothis for? And this wasn't even counting

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the shortstops. Did they have youas second base primarily? Yes? Okay,
yes, because even you know,primarily I played because when I came
into Kentucky, they had a seniorshortstop, and so I moved to second
base. Okay. And so whathappens though, you know, because now
that first year, because I playedsecond base so well, they want to
keep me there. Sure, Sothen they go out and get a shortstop,

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right, you know, and theshort stop comes in and then so
they kind of asked me about itwhatever, right, but I said I
don't care, you know, Isaid, I'll just stay at second base
whatever and let him play short That'swhy I know that with hard work,
with the way things are, Ithink at the age of nineteen, like
I believe, like you make ajump, kids make a jump, and
then and then another jump I thinkcame when I was twenty five, at
sixteen or something, you know,I think kind of make another jump.

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Also, you're talking physically or mentally. I think physically, yeah, you
know, I think men, butphysically more so physically like things mature whateverbsolutely.
You know. So when I'm thereand I'm the fourth best second baseman
right now, i have to gointo the winter. And I've seen that,
I'm thinking, like, man,you know these guys are also good.
So you know, I'm thinking aboutgetting to Kansas City. You know,

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I want to get there quickly,right and do this. And so
now I'm wondering, how's this goingto happen. That's why I can really
relate to my kids their journeys,because you know, life is hard,
right, you know, yeah,and so you know there's so many obstacles
or whatever, and so I said, but if you just keep your head
down and you work, you know, and and I went home to I'll
see, and I was disappointed kindof after that instructional league, after seeing

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that, right, I'm gonna getthere, I said. And so then
I just I just worked, youknow, I just worked at what I
could do or whatever. And thenI went back and played the next season.
I had a good season whatever.And then all of a sudden,
I went from the fourth guy andI was in just in a ball whatever,
and I passed all of them andI went I went from there right
to triple A. Made the bigjump and so and it surprised me.

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It's a huge job. It was. It was a huge jump. And
I think at the time only likesomeone at the time is like Ryan Sandberg,
you know, had had done itin the Cubs organization. And so
I remember they called me in.I went to spring training, so I
had my a boss. I cameback this season, played a season and
I didn't just like tear it uplike you know, cause I think I
hit like two point fifty one orsomething, but I showed every you know,
I was showing things that looked likeit. I went to the instruction

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league again and I did well whatever. They called me in when I went
to the next spring training, andit's so funny, these are the stories,
you know. So they said,you know, we're gonna start doing
triple A. So I'm thinking,like to myself, like I'm better than
them now, right, you know, you know you say that to yourself
whatever, But you don't know whatthey're thinking whatever, right, I said,
no, I've passed them, right, I'm better than them. So
then they called me in that they'regonna give me this jump. And they

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told me, they said you knowyou're going to struggle at first, but
we believe that you have the makeupto endure that, the mental to get
through that struggle. Sure. Youknow. I remember sitting there and the
guy's name was John Bowles. Hewas our farm director. He says,
you're going to struggle, little bit, and so I'm looking at I'm not
going to struggle, you know.Yeah, I told him, I said,

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no, I can do this,and I'm gonna do it whatever.
Like the first two ones of theseason, it was just ridiculously hard,
was it. Yeah, Like Imean it was like I couldn't hit,
like I had never hit before.And so I always liked the struggle,
you know. For me. Anyway, it was really hard and I couldn't
do it, but I knew Icould do it. Was it? The
pitching was that much better getting usedto that. Yeah. I had to

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get used to the pitching, youknow. And so because I was getting
physically stronger, you know a littlebit, and so I was handling myself
defensively and all, you know,it was just way different. And so
but you know, I figure,like I've adjusted everywhere, right, you
know, and so I figured injust in time, I would do the
same thing. That's why it didn'tcrush me. I tell our athletes now,

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there's a belief that you can justdo it, and I can't teach
you that. Your mom and dadcan't teach you that. Either you believe
it or you don't. And ifyou don't believe that, I think those
are the athletes that don't play ina major league, you know, or
don't play in the SEC. Andthere's a difference between believing in yourself and
keeping your head down and going forwardand thinking that I'm better than them and

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I should be there, you knowwhat I mean. There's a lot of
people that are like, why amI still here? I should actually be
there, as opposed to saying Iknow I can get there, and I'm
just going to keep moving forward toget there. And I think that's where
some athletes fall down too, becausethey're like, I'm so much better,
why can't I be there? Yes? Whereas the approach you had of just
always like you were just that epitomeof moving forward, going forward, and
you have a fourteen year major leaguebaseball career because yes, yeah, that's

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the reason. Yeah, absolutely,yeah. You hit it on the head.
And so I tell my son now, and it's trying to become a
major league you know at the hittingyou know, I said it's hard.
Oh yeah, they voted it's literallythe hardest thing to do in all sports.
You hit a baseball, you know, to hit the baseball. And
I think then been an NFL quarterbackwas second or something, right, I
mean, I know football players reallythe best, greatest football players you know

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that said I would never stand inthat box. Oh no chance. Funny
story. I've been in Rocky's fantasycamp a few times and one time Goose
Gossage was there and he was mycoach, but we had an opportunity as
campers to take pitches from Goose.And this is twenty years ago, but
it's still it's Goose freaking gossip,and I'm like, uh, no,
thanks, I'll be not doing thattoday. I'm like, there's no way

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I'm getting in that box with Goosethrowing, no chance. Like it scared
the hell I was not doing that. So there'd be like, why are
you not doing it? I'm like, because I just know, yes,
exactly exactly. Well, tell meabout your major league debut then, what
happened and how did it go down? Because it's always such a special day
for players. Yeah, it is. And I can remember I'm playing my

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game in Triple A. We werein Louisville, Kentucky, which was really
cool because every time I you know, those are places I really want to
go play because it's all my family, right, I still have family in
Louisville, And so I'm there.I'm having a good start to my Triple
A season, right, so youknow, you're playing every day, You're
an everyday player. So I getto the stadium and I'm not in the
lineup, and so I'm just thinkinglike, okay, maybe it's a day

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off. Because this would have beenmaybe May the ninth, the night before.
I guess I probably had been playingsince the season maybe would have started
like April the eighth or ninth orwhatever. I may have played twenty five
consecutive game, so I didn't know, you know, you know, I'm
in Triple A. First, I'mthinking, you know, maybe that's what
they do. I don't know,I just have a day off, right,
So then yeah, yeah, exactly, that's what you do. Really,

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So so I'm just watching the gamewhatever. And then so after the
game, the manager calls me intohis office. He looks at me,
he says, why and you askme why you weren't playing? And I
looked at him, I said,well, I don't know. He said,
well, that's not like you.Why don't you asked me why weren't
you playing right there? Right?And I said, I don't know.
I just figured you wanted to givesomebody else a chance to play, you

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know, and I know playing well. And he said, well, get
your bags, you're going to KansasCity tonight. Got a game tomorrow.
And now I remember like it was. It was just you can't even describe
the feeling, right, And Idon't even know if like then if I
like, if I cried about youknow, if I I'm not sure whatever,
but I just knew, like itwas ridiculous. And he made you
go through the whole game before hemade me through. You're going to come

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to him beforehand. Yes, yeah, they knew because good or bad whatever,
right, because they knew, likethe guy would say stuff right,
you know. And so the onetime you don't, I don't, Yeah,
I don't say anything, they questionwhat's wrong with him? You know?
And so so yeah, he toldme that, you know. So
I remember going out and I had. My My aunt was at the game,
you know, and I told himwhatever, we're all going crazy,

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and you know, I call whatever. And so the next morning we flew
back to Omaha. So been likethe eighth that game was on, made
the eighth. So we flew backto Omaha and made the ninth. And
so I went back and I packedsome things whatever, you know, and
so I'm thinking, you know,when I go there, I'm a big
leaguer now, right, yeah,yeah, exactly. So I packed all

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my pack, all my stuff whatever, throw it in my car, tell
my family whatever. And so thenI'm driving from Omaha to Kansas City,
which is only like a three hourdrive. So I was literally I was
driving to Kansas City and I justcouldn't stay awake because I think I'd been
up for forty you know, forthirty seven hours or whatever, right,
and so I don't think we hadcell phones then or no, I was
nineteen ninety, yeah, nineteen ninetyor maybe I had. Yeah, it

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was like one of those big phones. I think it's something on the big
phones whatever. It was a bigphone, right, yeah, yes,
and so and so I remember Iget it made about an hour out and
I said, I got to pullover because then you know, my eyes
oh yeah, sad, yeah,your eyes, and then you're like and
you wake up whatever. I didthat once, and I said I'd be
a fine because you know, itjoke to me a little bit, and

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so it happened to again. Sothen I think, I don't know,
call my mom or something, andI put it over and I slept on
the side of the road for likean iron fifty next time it was an
iron fifteen minutes later, I'm justsitting in I was asleep in my car
on the side of the road.Oh wow. And so I couldn't believe
it. And I woke up,and then I just drove to Kansas City,
took a power that took a powerup and he got there, you

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know, yeah yeah, And soI got there, and so I think
we actually played the next day.The game was the next day, okay,
And so I had my aunt anduncle lived in Kansas City, you
know, yeah, my uncle livedin Kansas City. So my family was
gonna come there, but I juststayed, you know, stayed stayed at
their place. And so and thenwhen the game the next day, you
know, you get there early orwhatever. Because I don't know. I
mean, I figured, if theycall you up, you're gonna play,

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but I'm not sure if I'm goingto play. So I get there to
stay, you know, you meetingeverybody whatever, you know. And now
I've seen these guys, George Bratt, you know, Willie Wilson, Frank
White, like these legends, right, And so I've seen these guys and
I was in spring training with themtwo months earlier, previously or whatever.
That's different than at the game duringthe season. It was. It was

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way different, you know. Andso I looked at the lineup and I
am I'm in the lineup right,Yes, I'm in the lineup playing what
second base? And we're playing theMilwaukee Brewers, py Milwaukee Brewers. And
the picture was Teddy Hgara. Atthe time, he was one of the
top pictures in the league. Andso, uh, over time, I'm
thinking, like, man, whatam I gonna do? You know?
What you know? Like, youknow, because you're a young guy.
I want to just continue to dowhat I do, you know. But

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then sometimes you get up there inthe pressure of you're trying to fit in,
like Okay, should I work account, should I do this? Or
that whatever, you know. Andthen I said, well, they called
me up. They must like whatI was doing, so I'm just going
to do what I do. Myfirst bat got up, I was,
you know, you just add inthe field. I don't know if I
had any plays leading up to that, but all you think about is you're
at bat, right, Yeah.So I get up there, he throws

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me the first pitch of fastball andI fly out to right field. I
was so mad because I'm thinking,like, okay, I had this at
bat and I didn't learn like,you know, I just had it.
And it's like I'm on the firstpitch, the first pitch, learn nothing
exactly, yes what I'm thinking.So it's not like, oh man,
I put it in and play myfirst pitch or whatever this or that,
because I hit the first pitch alot right. I swung at it.

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You know, if it's a strike, and it was a strike, it
wasn't the ball bad pitch. Ijust popped it up to right field.
But then I got over there,I'm thinking like, man, like I
got nothing out of that, andyou know, no one said anything like,
you know, you look at thepitch or whatever. So the next
time I got up there. Isaid, okay, just to settle down,
because I could barely even remember beingup there. You know, it
happened that quickly. It was,it really was, you know, and

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I could barely remember the moment.So the next time I went up there,
I said, okay, I'm justgonna take a pitch, you know,
just to kind of see what's goingon or whatever. And then he
threw it. It was a strike, you know, And now I step
out of box. I'm mad becauseI took a pit that Oh it what
you know, I've already oh forone on the game now or one the
count, And so then I thinkhe threw a ball and then maybe whatever,

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and I got my first hit,you know, the next bat,
you know, So then I kindof calmed everything down. Yes, so
you stay with the Royals. You'rewith them for five Yes, and then
you get traded yes, right tothe right. Yes. What was that
like after you? I mean,that's where that's who drafted you. That's
where you've kind of grown up.Yes, and then they trade you.
This is where I said, likeadversity. So my first season, when

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I went up, I was likea big prospect coming up right, I
was considered everything like Rookie of theYear in the talks or whatever. And
so when I finally when they finallybrought me up and I was doing really
well. Bo Jackson, which iswas the greatest athlete in the world right
at that particular time, Yes,and probably maybe still the greatest athlete ever
we've ever seen. Whatever, hewas so cool. We were out one

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day. He's playing right field,he's playing right behind me. I'm playing
second base all these games. Hesaid, Chump, you kind of quick,
jump you kind of fast whatever,right, And I'm just laughing whatever,
right, He said, no,it's jump. I think you're You're
kind of quick, You're kind offast. He said, We're going to
go out and have a competition becauseI think I got more arranged than you.
So he said, he challenge methe next day and during BP.

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So just think about we got GeorgeBratt, Frank what we got like all
these Hall of famers and great playersout there to watch Terry SHUMPERD and Bo
Jackson have a range contest at secondbase, go see who has the best.
Wow. Right, you know we'reall competitive, right, you know
we're going at it. And so, uh, we have our guy which
is I think his name is BobShaeffer, our infield coach. So he

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gets out there, you know,and he's hitting us balls, and so
he hits us a couple of ballswhatever. You know. This is that,
you know, we're going back,we're catching you know guys who you
know talking. It's kind of likea dunk contest, right, everybody's going
on talking skills competition. Yes,yes, So then Shafe hits a ball
like ray in the hole for me, right, and I'm running over there

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after the ball. And this isall that happened while I was in the
air running over it to dive afterthe ball, right, to dive after
the ball. When I dive andI leave my feet, I'm thinking to
myself, why did I die?Why am I doing this? Right?
This is stupid? Now right?Yes, right, you know we're just
clowning around whatever. I put myhand down to just catch, you know,
so it's like a half I justcatch stop myself because I was being

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stupid. And so when I didthat, my glove hand with my thumb
whatever, it jammed in the turfand then my thumb was laying back on
my wrists. And now I'm embarrassed, feeling stupid. So I get back
in there because I don't want tobe hurt. So he hits me a
ball and I went over and Ikind of like, let it go,
and so I walked back over itand Bo said, shump, shump,
what have you done? You doneft around and hurt yourself, right,

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you know, he said, comeon, shump, let's get off the
field now. Bo Jackson and Iare only two because everybody else is watching
from the side, from the firstbase line whatever. And I walk over
there, and now they're all work, you know, you know, because
the next thing coming right, youknow, second basement. I'm going to
replace Frank White, you know,their Hall of Famer and a great player.
So I just go over there andgo up to the training room.
And then they took my glove off. He said, don't look at this,

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it's knocking whatever. And so hejust pulled my thumb whatever, and
then it went all the way backto my wrist, you know. And
then they said, yeah, hesaid, you tore the ligament in your
thumb because he could move it thatfar. I came over there, yeah,
you know, and so then Idon't know, and then you know,
I got the surgery. Well,I'm not sure when the injury was,
but I remember missed two and ahalf months. I had surgery,
I had to rehab and everything.Yeah, So I came back September first,

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and George Brad had had the sameinjury when he was younger. And
what George told me, George said, he said, hump. He said,
you know, I didn't recover fromthat injury for sixteen months. And
I said, really, He said, yeah, just take your time,
shump. You got a bright future, Just take your time getting back.
And so I'm young, and I'mjust I want to play right. I'm
trying to keep my position right.I'm trying to do this or that,
and so what he said took himsixteen months. I came back in three

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months, right, three months.And I always say, this is always
like the god thing, right,I said. So I came back in
my September first, when they couldexpand the rosters. And my first game
back, my first at bat,Todd Stotdomyer, I think it was top
one of the star of my brothersthrew a pitch and hit me in the
hand my first at bat, thefirst pitch back, first at bat,
the first pitch back, he hitme in the hand and broke my hand.

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Same hand, Yeah, it wasthe same hand, Yes, the
same hand. So now you gotto think, you know how people are,
right, the media everything, youknow, like this guy is injury
prone, he's not gonna major youknow, Yeah, exactly right. That
I can't help it, you know. And then the other thing was just
stupid, you know what I mean. But the thumb whatever, And so
you know that's how it started mymajor league career. You know, that

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was your first year. That wasmy first year. That was all during
my first year. Wow, yes, holy cow. Yeah. So that's
why now I tell you I becausemy daughter has had two knee surgeries,
right, And I tell I said, Bell, you know that doesn't mean
anything, you know, I said, you know, I don't know why
things happened, you know, anddon't even try to explain it to you.
I said, but it's fine,you know, you just rehac keep

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your head done and blah blah blah. Absolutely. Yeah. So when the
trade comes to Boston, then areyou surprised or yeah? So when the
when the trade comes, you know, because now I've been there, I
was sadden in a way because KansasCity is only a six hour drive from
Paduca, you know, and Ihad my aunt and uncle that lived there.
It was good, right, itwas a good thing. But the
only thing was is after I gothurt those times, right, So what

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getting hurt what it did do?What it did then is because I had
trouble coming back from that. Andin the major leagues, you know,
they don't wait for you just tocome back somebody, yeah, exactly,
you know. And then so theone time when I got hurt and I
was struggle coming back hitting, theRoyals traded and got the best second basement
in the game, the go gloverfrom the National League, Chico Lean Jose

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Ling. You know, he's atwo time go glover. So then that's
when I had to learn to playother positions, you know. Yeah,
when that happened. So I knewI'm a good player. They know I'm
a good player, but at thistime, like they're trying to win,
you know, I mean I understoodit, but I felt like I'm going
to be a go glover. Justgive me time or whatever. And so
Chico he comes really nice guy,you know, I mean, work well

(30:52):
with me and did this that whatever. So then when they when the trade
was coming. When they're talking aboutit, I was actually happy because I
wanted to go somewhere. I wantedto go and play, because I learned
to play other positions and become witha utility player. But still my heart
was like what second base? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, And you know,
I feel like I'm better than them. Give me that shot again,
because I'm ready now. Absolutely.So you go to the Red Sox for

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the one year in ninety five,then you go to the Cubs, you
go to the Padres, then youcome here for five seasons, and that's
where, really, I think terroryou become kind of like the ultimate utility
guy. And for the Rockies,if I'm not mistaken, you played every
position except for pitcher, catcher,and first base. Because some guy named
Todd Helton was playing first base.You never got in there, but everywhere

(31:37):
else you played. Yes, Sotell me a little bit about your time
with the Rockies. And then isthat really when you kind of embraced being
that utility guy? Correct? Yeah, because what happens is, you know,
do you have a good insight?Okay, if I want to play,
if I want to be a majorleaguer or a man a major leaguer.
This is what I'm gonna have tolearn to do, and I'm gonna
have to embrace it. If Ido become a starter again someday, then

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it just happens. Right now,live where your feet are at, you
know, And so I just hadto I really had to embrace that because
it was hard because I just knewI was better than some of those guys,
right right, you know, andyou needed the chance, right.
I just needed a chance, youknow. And so my time in San
Diego with Tony Gwenn and Ricky Hendersonis what kind of like revitalized or really

(32:20):
kick started who Terry Shrump became tobe, because I mean I was kind
of still like a basketball player atheart, playing baseball. During the off
seasons, I would go and workon baseball, but I lived for the
adult senior league basketball leagues. Thatwas just the truth, though, you
know. I mean it's so weirdbecause at this time, I'm twenty seven

(32:44):
years old, and that's what peoplethey, you know, they say you
were some kind of athlete, youknow, like you did everything whatever.
And now when I look back,you know, because when your career is
over, because when I always tellpeople you really don't know how good you
are. You're really not thinking aboutbecause you're so worried it locked in on
getting better and staying there and playingwell, you know, yeah, and
doing all those things that you don'treally know what's going on. Absolutely,

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you don't have the bird's eye viewto look in and go, oh wow,
that's what happened. Yeah, Andthere's a lot of athletes to do
that. I talked to one,Tanya Hobby, who's the head yeah basketball
coach met Metro, and I wastelling her, I'm like, well,
you won this and this and thisand this, and she was like,
wow, I never really thought oflike she she was winning all these things
when she was an evergreen as avolleyball and basketball player and didn't really realize

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the impact of how good she was. Yeah. Yeah, So I think
that's a very typical thing where youdon't realize until later later on. Yeah.
I mean a lot of those thingslike now, when I look,
you played fourteen years in the MajorLeague and then something like the Kentucky all
these things. Yeah, you don'trealize you're doing all that stuff, you
know, and you don't realize thefirst time I ever told that bo Jackson

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story. It hit me because Ibo Jackson. Bo Jackson, Yeah,
exactly, you know. And soI mean I hit off of Nolan Run
and like I played with George Rehto, but with those things. So when
I was playing with Ricky Henderson anduh, Tony gwyn I would miss work
Like my son works out trains atLandau Sports Performance, right, I mean
it's like clockwork. He gets upand go gets after like Monday, Tuesday

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off, Wednesday and Thursday Friday.I'd have those workouts and I would miss
skip my workout because I had agame that night, you know, a
winner, like an adult basketball youknow, and those like yes, I'm
killing it right, and so Iwould you know, and or I tell
you know, I'd go in thereand i'd lift light or something whatever cause
I didn't want to be I didn'twant to mess it up. And so

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yeah, so when I was inSan Diego nineteen ninety seven, Tony gwyn
just really fell in love. Heliked our family and all you know,
it said jump, you know,and he told me, he said jump,
I don't understand why you're not astarter. I said, really,
because this is Tony Gwynn right,He said, yeah, Shump, you're
like really good and on this teamwith Steve Finley. Now this is the
first time I got the team backup with Finley with theocrat. Yes,

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by this time, now he's asuperstar. Oh yeah, you know.
And that's why I always knew,like I know I can do it because
Steve is doing it right. AndI'm not saying because he wasn't even better
than I was. He was good, Like we were the same from my
school, from college, yeah,even the college like I went and blew
up college, like he didn't blowup college like I did. You know,
when he came on the scene andplayed like he played well, he

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never was injured anything, you know. So I just say, my injury
set me back, but I'm stillthat right, you know. So when
Tony said that, he said,yeah, Shump, you should be a
starter, you know. And sothen that hit me again. And so
so we were playing through the seasonand then after the season because he really
liked our family all he said,he said, I want to come and
do a camp with you. We'regoing to drive from San Diego to Indianapolis

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and we go right through Kansas City. Put something together so I can do
a camp with you. Wow,I said, okay, yeah. You
know, the more we talked,you know, the more we got to
speak and everything. And I askedhim, I said, so, how'd
you get so good at hitting?I said, like, how much do
you hit in the off season?He said, well, shump. When
I drive from from San Diego toIndianapolis, it takes us like a week
because we take our time whatever.So when I arrived to Indianapolis, then

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I'll take another week off. Itake two weeks off after the off season,
and then I start hitting. Isaid, you do like that?
Yeah, he's he's I said,And I said, you hit all season?
He said, yeah, he saidI hit. He said, I
have to hit. He said,I hit four days a week. My
major league career really took off afterthe nineteen ninety seven because in the winter
of nineteen ninety seven, baseball becamemy life. I cut out the basket,

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you know, like you stopped doingthe rect leagus. I stopped doing
the rec leagues and stuff, andI just I just got into baseball.
I got into hit. So thatwas the difference maker. Yeah, it
was huge. And I asked RickyHenderson because at the time rick Henderson was
an older player also, but hewas in fabulous shape. He used to
run the stadium and stuff, right, And so I asked him, I
said, Ricky, what do youdo? How do you how you keep
your body like that? How youlook like that? Whatever? And then
he told me what he does andthe same thing I said, And then

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I just started. I became likea like a workaholic, like with training
with just base just baseball stuff andjust training. Well, when I think
about when you played, Terry,and whenever you would come to the play,
we always knew it seemed like youwould always get a hit and if
nothing else, you were going tosteal a base or you were you were
going to do something. And thenyou'd also do something on the defensive side
as well. So you just becamethat guy that was just always dependable no

(37:14):
matter what you were doing. Yeah. Yeah, So someone would try to
say, yeah, he went tocourse field, you know the course field
effect. Well, and then Itell him, I said, you know,
maybe I'm not going to maybe someof that had some play, do
I said, But I know mywork at it absolutely. I know what
I started doing. You know,I said, it clicked, like I
said, because I always had thetalent that you guys had. Actually probably

(37:34):
more. I just started working likeyou were working before. Like I just
loved basketball, you know, Ilook forward to my basketball games. But
I became a full time baseball playerand then I called it. I got
it. Those are some of mybig when you say that, some of
my biggest compliments that I got,you know, one was from Jim Leland,
World Series Manager, World Series winningmanager, Hall of Famer now actually

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right, yes is yeah, justthe Hall of Famer. Yeah, and
so one of the biggest company.He told me, he's that I wish
I had twenty five shumperts on myroster. Oh heck, yeah, right,
So I wish I had twenty fiverry something. And then you know,
I just look, I just thankyou, you know whatever he said,
because he's always going to affect thegame and you know, impact.
And that's when I talked to mygirls about basketball. Now, I said,
be impactful. I don't care whatyou do. Just impact the game.

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You don't have to be a starter. Yeah, just be impactful.
When you get in there your minuteswith be impactful, and coaches love and
do things right. You show upon you know, just you know,
and I always you know, thinkI always did that, right, I
was just that guy. And souh and another one was Jeff Cirillo.
Jeff, I missed Jeff. Yeah, I know right, you know I'll
trusty Jeff, Yeah, yes,right, yes, he's to kill me.

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I was like, Jeff, doyou do you not like me?
Or is it just everybody or what'sgoing He's like, I like you.
And I was like, okay,you have a funny way of showing it.
Yeah, that's everybody, right,that's that's that's real. Right.
And so we were playing at Anaheimand we were one and a half games
back from the Diamondbacks and it wasgonna be a four game series. So
we have this big players only meeting. We're doing this that whatever you know

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in the paper going crazy. Guessthe first time the Rockies were and you
know, we were in its laterightburg thiss late, they came out.
You know, it's the biggest gameof the year. You know, this
is the biggest game of the year. We've got to have whatever. And
then Surrella in front of everybody,he said, it can't be the biggest
game of the year because Shump's notin it. And I'm just looking at
it. I was like, ohman, he said, yeah, he
said, don't tell me it's thebiggest game of the year if Shump's not

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in the lineup and he's the startingyou know, he's the starting third base
and whatever. I'm thinking, like, you're you're right, you know,
I mean, like it's the truth. He just said the truth, you
know, I said, but that'slike, you know, the politics compliment
it was, you know. Sothose are two of my biggest things I
remember. And that's really cool.So you call it quits in two thousand
and four, you did after you'rewith the Rockies, you did Dodgers,

(39:40):
the Tampa Bay Rays and then injurywith your hamstring and then you retire.
Since then, let's get to that. Now, you and Duquity of five
kids. Yes, and you've gotathletes all over the place. So now,
and you've you've alluded to it throughoutwhile we've been talking, but just
how you kind of have coached yourkids. You've got nick and baseball,
all your your girls are playing basketball. I mean, you got athletes and

(40:02):
everything. I look at it now, it's in my family. We laugh
about it, like my siblings andall, you know, because just growing
up, for whatever reason, youjust assume your kids are going to be
a athletes, right, and thatis not the case. You know,
that doesn't. Yeah, but butyou grew up because you just assumed that
because you know, there are alot of athletes in our family, you

(40:23):
know, and sure, you knowI was, you know, a major
leaguer, but we have so manyathletes that have played football, Vanderbilt football,
at Arkansas football, Western Kentucky andof course Mookie Batman movie. Mookie.
You got a relationship there too,Mookie, my nephews, my oldest
sister's son. But we have somany that play in college that have been
really successful. You know. Evenmy two nieces were all Americans in college

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playing basketball. Yeah. Great geneticsgoing on, yeah, you know,
And so that's it was kind ofjust like that's what just what we grew
to expect whatever, right, andyou find that it's not the case.
And so so what we have totell our kids now, you don't have
to do this, like you cando this whatever. But I think now
at young age, what I've seenlike they just all assumed they would be

(41:08):
doing something, you know, becauseI guess they saw their siblings doing it,
but it's really cool. I Meanwhen people ask me if I miss
it, I tell them I reallyhaven't missed it because I've been so involved
in my kids sports and they've beenplaying at such a high level. You
know, it's the intensity and youknow this, the intensity is so much

(41:29):
higher when it's your kid and notyou. All. Yeah, absolutely,
but for whatever reason, you know, because I think, you know,
I laugh at myself sometimes. Ithink because my mom actually told my mom
I'd be up there whatever instead,and you're I said, I'm not feeling
anything she's feeling. I'm just playingand they having fun whatever, And so
I have to step up and realize, like they're just playing having fun.

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You know, I'm the one that'sstressing for no reason exactly. Yeah,
that's fun, all right. Solast question for you, Terry, as
you look back on your life andthings that you've gone through through your career
and then now as you are asa parent, and you've talked about some
things that you tell your kids,but what do you tell when you coach
or when you're you have your kidsyourself? What to do when you're facing

(42:12):
those tougher times when there's the injuriesand you had a hamstring injury that basically
finished your career off, or youare not getting those opportunities. What do
you tell them to keep moving forward? Well, what I tell them,
you know, is just from myexperience, you know, and I tell
them, like right now, it'sright now. Probably our toughest thing is,
like Nick is, you know,in the minor leagues, right and
Nick came, you know, hewas a big prospect his senior year,

(42:35):
like one of the top prospects inthe country, and he got drafted,
you know, and he didn't getdrafted where he wanted to, and that's
why he didn't sign where he wouldhave liked. At the time. What
we told him, I told himmy story. I said, Nick,
they drafted you, they didn't draftme, and it's okay to be heard,
be bothered by it. What wedo is just give them our advice,
give them what we do. Youknow. My advice was, I
think Nick should have signed with theDetroit Tigers, right. We did.

(43:00):
Opt to go out there and justplay and play, you know, but
then you have to live with,you know, if they really don't want
it, and this was the hardpart of me, if they but if
they just really don't want to doit, you know, if they said
it, don't Because what the storyI didn't tell you is when I went
to Kentucky, right, you know, I was gonna play basketball and the
injury happened, so I was goingto go to Kentucky. It was still
a tough thing, you know,because we're very family oriented, right,

(43:22):
It's just what it is, allmy family. So the day I was
leaving to go to Kentucky and it'sonly you know, it's a four hour
drive right Lexington from from Paducah.And the day I was going to leave
to go to school, I chickenedout, you know, I just didn't
want to leave home. I toldmy mom, I said, I'm not
going. I want to call thejunior college coach Paduca Community College, right,
they have a baseball team, andthen this is all this stuff.

(43:44):
I'm just thinking of myself. Right, I'm going to call the junior college
coach and I'm gonna I'm gonna gothere because if I go there, you
know, and I have a goodseason, I can get drafted the following
year whatever. Right, I don'thave to wait three years whatever. And
I said, or you know,I'll go be a good player there,
and I said, I just don'twant to leave. I don't I don't
want to go. And so mymom didn't make me go. She didn't
force me to go. So whenwhen it was next turn, when he

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said, I don't want to signwith them, you know, I'm not
gonna do it. Whatever, Isaid, Nick, we told him you're
gonna sign, you can do thisthat whatever, he said, No,
I just don't want to do it. So I had to think back.
My mom allowed me to make thatdecision whatever, which is tough because they're
eighteen in your life. I'm young. Yeah, exactly. I didn't know,
right, you know, And solet's I always say how God plays
a part in this, you know, even when you don't know it.

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My mom was she did tell me. She said, well, you're gonna
have to call that coach and tellhim. And I said, okay,
And so I called my American Legioncoach first, my club coach. I
called him and said, hey,can you call I don't even know the
guy's name because I never talked tocommunity college because that was never a thought
whatever, right, And I justsaid, can you call PCC and tell
him I want to come and playthere and see what they say or whatever.

(44:49):
You know. My coach said,well, of course they're gonna want
you to come there, you know, he said, you have a spot
there. Whatever. Is that whatyou want to do? I said,
yeah, that's what I want todo. So then we got it all
set up and I was going toroll at the community college. So I
I called my coach and told himI was going to come, and he
said he wanted to come down andsee me whatever, right, And I
told him, no, I don'twant to. You know, I don't
want to. I just don't wantto do it. You know, this
is what I want to do.So then even before the communicall it before

(45:12):
it started, I think it wasa week to ten days later. Whatever,
Well, I had another change ofmind. So I had another change
of my My mom said what isit. I said, I want to
go to Kentucky And she said,you want to go back to Kentucky.
I said, yeah, I wantto go to Kentucky like that. And
then so I had to call thecoach again. And you know I have
all the scholarships and things like thatwork, right, So I called him
and said I want to come.Thank God, he said yes, oh

(45:35):
he hadn't given your scholarship and awayhe had the money away or whatever,
you know. And so so thenI did that, and my mom like,
let me make that decision. Sonow it's really hard as a parent
when you know, like my mom, you know, anyone would know,
like that's that's just the right placefor you. It's not the right what
are you talking about? But shedidn't stop me. And so now I

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try to remember those things because it'sstill so hard. I hope they come
back around like you did yes later, and then when they don't, you're
like, oh, well, yes, exactly, yes, you know.
And then so when Nick had allthat time to sign before the draft,
even my wife and Tierra, whenthe other dog was at home, So
he'll change his mind, Dad,he's going to just leave him alone and
just whatever. And then he neverchanged his mind. And then so at

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the very last day, I remembertime from the sign, I was thinking
like I should just make him.I'm just gonna make him, said Nick,
you're gonna do it whatever. Iactually called my mom too, along
with my wife, and he said, you can't make him do it.
You just can't do it because he'sgoing to regret he's gonna go there and
not whatever, whatever, whatever.And so so that's why I try to
treat him just from our experiences,because I believe that God works everything out

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for the good for those of lovehim, right, you know, he
says that, you know, soI have to like stand on that,
even as difficult as the decisions areat times, you know, And so
I try to do that, youknow. I just give him my experiences.
Your mom gives them their her experiences, and then just give give them
their space. Yeah, that's thebest way to go, because you don't
want them to be mad at youfor something that you wanted, that you

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thought was the best interest for them. And sometimes they have to make a
fall and or figure out something ontheir own, just like we've had to,
just like we've had yeah, Imean yeah literally, you know,
because I didn't have a like theyhave in their life. I didn't have
a dad telling me every step,you know, figuring out every step.
I just had to go along thatjourney, you know, and then see
what came. Pretty amazing journey,Terry, as you look back, as

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you look, yeah, it wasawesome. Thank you for coming in today.
It was so good to just kindof dive into your past. I
knew you very well when you werehere for those five years. I got
to cover a lot of Rockies gamesduring that time, so we had a
lot of good times. You know, love hanging out in the dugout and
BP and all that before games.It's it's a fun special thing to do
and to get to know you guystoo. Oh yeah, that was a

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great time. So you got anice spot here too though. By the
way, you have good studios,right, this is a great studio.
Thank you for coming in and hangingout today. I appreciate it. So,
Terry, thank you, really appreciateit. And good luck to you
and Tqweena and all the kiddos too. You guys, are you guys got
a good thing going on. Ilove your family, family focus that you
have going. Oh thank you.Yeah, yeah, we try. You

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do a good job, all right, Thanks Terry, Thank you Schamp.
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