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Speaker 1 (00:00):
OK.
Does it ever feel like tryingto find a home you can actually
afford is, like I don't know,some kind of intense competitive
sport these days?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Huh yeah, you're
definitely not alone in feeling
that.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Well, you're probably
not imagining it, we're going
to dive deep into the verylatest US home price trends
today.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Exactly.
We've got the the brand newdata fresh off the press for Q1
2025.
This comes from the NationalAssociation of Realtors.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Nair right.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And our mission today
really is to unpack this.
We want to go beyond just the.
You know the raw numbers.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, get into what's
really happening.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Right.
Pinpoint the shifts.
Understand the very differentstories playing out across the
country, region by region.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
And what it all means
for affordability, which is the
big question for so many folks.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Precisely.
What does this actually meanfor your ability to afford a
home?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Right.
So forget trying to wadethrough those.
You know dense reports yourself.
We're here to pull out the mostimportant stuff, the key
insights, maybe even somesurprising facts.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, hopefully give
you a really clear picture of
what the housing market lookslike right now.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Okay, let's do it.
So kick us off.
What's the big headline fromthis latest NAR report?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, the main
takeaway, the big picture, is
that home prices they're stillgoing up in most parts of the US
.
They'll go up, Okay.
Specifically, 83% of the metromarkets that NAR tracks saw home
prices increase in the firstquarter of 2025.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
83%.
That's a lot of cities.
How many is that?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That works out to 189
out of the 228 cities they look
at.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Wow, okay, so
widespread increases are
definitely still the norm, but Ithink I caught something there.
83%, wasn't it higher last?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
quarter Good catch.
Yes, that's a really importantnuance actually.
In the last quarter of 2024,that figure was 89%, so we've
seen a slight dip.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
So what does that dip
tell us?
Less intense increases.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Exactly.
It suggests that well, theoverall upward trend is still
there.
Prices are still rising broadly, but the intensity might be
starting to moderate just a bit.
Fewer markets seeing thosereally rapid jumps.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Okay, that makes
sense.
And what about the nationalmedian price itself?
Where does that stand now?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
The national median
price for a single-family
existing home is now $402,300.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Oof Over $400,000 for
the median.
That's a milestone.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It is.
It's a significant number.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
And how does that
stack up against, say, this time
last year?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So that $402,300
figure.
It represents a 3.4% increaseyear over year.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, 3.4%.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
And here's where it
gets even more interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Linking back to that
intensity point Right, this rate
of increase, the 3.4%.
It's actually slower than whatwe saw in the fourth quarter of
2024.
Back then the year-over-yearincrease was 4.8%.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Ah okay, so price is
still going up compared to last
year, but the speed at whichthey're rising has slowed down a
bit compared to the end of lastyear.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Precisely, the data
really points towards a gradual
cooling, not slamming on thebrakes, but maybe easing off the
accelerator.
A touch on that national level.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Okay, easing off the
accelerator, like that.
So upward pressure is stillthere, broadly speaking, but
maybe not quite as forceful.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
That's a good way to
put it.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
But I think I saw in
the report that some places are
still seeing really big jumpsright, Despite this national
cooling trend.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Oh, absolutely, you
really have to zoom in.
While the national picturegives us that broad view, the
local level can be well,completely different.
Right, we actually saw 26 metroareas, 26, that recorded
double-digit price growth overthe year.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Double digits Okay,
so things are still very hot in
some pockets.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Very hot.
These are the markets where,yeah, things are still heating
up quite significantly.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Can you give us an
example or two?
Where are we seeing that kindof growth?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Sure Syracuse, New
York, for example, it saw a
pretty remarkable 17.9% increasein home prices.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Wow, nearly 18%.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, and Montgomery
Alabama also stood out with a
16.1% rise Very significant.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Syracuse and
Montgomery Interesting.
So what's the deal with placeslike these?
What's driving such big pricesurges there, kind of against
the national grain.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, often what we
see is these are maybe smaller
metro areas or regions that,historically speaking, might
have been considered undervaluedcompared to the big coastal
cities, for instance, so they'rebenefiting from a mix of things
.
Usually, greater affordabilityis a big one, drawing people in.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Right People seeking
value.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, and then you
often have local job markets
growing, which increases demand,and sometimes it's also about
migration people moving frommore expensive states looking
for, you know, more bang fortheir buck.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, it makes a lot
of sense.
People chasing affordabilityfinding jobs.
It increases competition,drives up prices.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
OK, it's that classic
supply and demand playing out
very locally.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Now you mentioned
regional differences.
The report used this phrase atale of four Americas, I think.
Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Exactly, yeah, if we
kind of connect these local
hotspots to the broadergeographic patterns, you really
do see these distinct trendsacross the four major US regions
.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
OK, so let's break
that down.
Where should we start?
Let's start with the South.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It's huge right.
Okay, so let's break that down.
Where should we start?
Let's start with the.
South.
It's huge right.
It accounts for the largestshare of existing home sales
almost 45% of the total market.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Nearly half the
market.
Wow.
So with that much activity,prices must be booming there too
.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, interestingly,
no, not quite.
Despite a lot of areas in theSouth having really strong job
creation, which you'd thinkwould push prices up, the region
overall saw pretty modest pricegrowth, just 1.3 percent year
over year for the region as awhole.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Only 1.3 percent.
Why so low, especially with jobgrowth?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
A key factor seems to
be new home construction.
Yeah, there's been asignificant increase in building
activity across much of theSouth.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Ah, so more supply
coming online.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Exactly.
More inventory means morechoices for buyers.
It helps to absorb some of thatdemand and stabilize prices.
Less frantic bidding, perhaps.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Right, more supply
eases that competitive pressure
cooker Okay, interesting.
What about the Northeast?
My gut feeling is that it'sgenerally pricier up there.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Your gut feeling is
correct.
It is generally a higher costregion and the data really backs
that out.
The Northeast actually saw thehighest price growth of any
region in Q1.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Highest, how high?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
10.3%.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Wow over 10%.
So much for cooling.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, it really
highlights how tight supply can
drive prices up, even in marketsthat are already expensive.
If there just aren't enoughhomes for the people who want
them, prices can still surge Bigtime.
10% in the Northeast that'syeah, that's a big jump.
Okay, what about the other tworegions, midwest and West?
So the Midwest saw arespectable price rise 5.2%,
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pretty solid.
And the West it, recorded amore moderate gain, 4.1% 4.1% in
the West.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And for the West.
You know it's worth thinkingabout this in context.
Some markets out West sawpretty significant slowdowns
earlier in this whole housingcycle, so this 4.1% might
actually be seen as a bit of arecovery or stabilization in
those areas.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Okay, so a real
patchwork quilt across the
country, then not one singlestory.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Definitely not Very
diverse.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Okay, let's shift
gears a bit.
Let's talk about the reallyhigh-end markets.
California always seems todominate that conversation,
right?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It certainly does,
and this report no exception.
It continues a verywell-established trend.
California is home to get thiseight of the 10 most expensive
housing markets in the entirecountry.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Eight out of 10.
Still, wow, who's at the top?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Leading the pack.
Sunnyvale, santa Clara, theheart of Silicon Valley.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, brace myself.
What's the median price?
An astounding $2.02 million $2million for a median single
family home.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yep, and that's up
nearly 10%, 9.8% to be exact,
just over the last year.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Incredible, just
incredible.
Which other California spotsare in that top tier.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well, right behind
San Jose is Anaheim, Santa Anna,
Irvine, down in Orange CountyMedian there is $1.45 million.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Still way up there.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh yeah, up 6.2% year
over year.
Then you got San FranciscoOakland Hayward at $1.32 million
, although interestingly itsincrease was more modest, just
1.5 percent.
San Diego-Carlsbad also brokethat million-dollar mark 1.04
million-dollar median and thatwas up 5.7 percent.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Okay, and the report
mentioned others too, right,
salinas-oxnard?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
That's right.
Salinas-oxnard, san Luis Obispoand the Los Angeles metro area
are also in that top 10 list ofmost expensive markets, all in
California.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
So California really
is just its own world when it
comes to these high home values.
Pretty, much.
Were there any super expensivemarkets outside of California
that caught your eye in thereport?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yes, a couple
definitely stood out Urban
Honolulu in Hawaii.
Medium price there $1.165million.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Okay, another million
plus market.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
And Naples, Florida,
down on the Gulf Coast, comes in
at $865,000 for the median.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Naples, right.
So what do places like Honoluluand Naples have in common with
those California hotspots?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, often it's a
similar story right Very high
demand desirability, but alsosignificant limits on new supply
.
Geographical constraints likebeing on an island, or coastal
regulations can really restricthow much new housing can be
built.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Right Limited land
high demand.
Okay, now let's flip the coin.
The report also said nearly 17%of metro areas actually saw
prices go down in the firstquarter.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
That's correct,
almost 17%.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Is that a worry?
Should we see that as a redflag for the market?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's a fair question
Seeing more markets with price
declines up from about 11percent.
The previous quarter mightsound a bit concerning at first
glance, but the context NARprovides is really key here.
The report suggests this ismuch more likely a sign of
market rebalancing rather than,you know, the start of some kind
of widespread crash.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Rebalancing, not
crashing, Rather than you know,
the start of some kind ofwidespread crash Rebalancing,
not crashing.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Okay yeah, think
about it.
Many of these areas sawabsolutely explosive price
growth during the pandemic years, just unsustainable rates.
So what we're likely seeing isa natural correction, or maybe
the market just kind of catchingits breath as demand cools off
a bit from those frantic levels.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, so more like a
leveling off in places that
maybe got way too hot too fast,rather than a signal of some
major downturn ahead.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That seems to be the
interpretation.
Yes, right, a normalizationperhaps.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Did the report give
any examples of markets like
that, Places where prices may bedipped but might be starting to
bounce back now?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yes, actually Several
markets fit that description,
places like Boise, idaho, lasVegas, nevada, salt Lake City,
utah.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Okay, markets that
were definitely hot previously.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Exactly, and even
some of those really expensive
California markets we mentioned.
Like San Francisco and alsoSeattle Washington, these places
had seen some price decreases,but the latest data shows
indicators that they might bestarting to rebound somewhat.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Interesting.
So even where prices cooled,the underlying demand might
still be strong enough to bringthem back up again.
It suggests that, yes, that thefloor might be higher than some
feared in those markets.
Ok, good to know.
Now all this talk about pricesgoing up, sometimes down,
sometimes cooling.
It all comes back to onecritical thing for most people
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affordability.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
The million dollar
question or maybe the million
dollar question, or maybe the $2million question in San Jose.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Huh, right.
So what did the latest datatell us about how attainable
homeownership actually is rightnow?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, no surprise
here Affordability is still a
major, major hurdle for a lot offolks.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You've got mortgage
rates.
The 30-year fixed rate has beenkind of bouncing around between
, say, 6.6% and just over 7%.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
It's significantly
higher than a few years ago.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Oh, absolutely.
And that cost of borrowingmoney.
It has a huge direct impact onyour monthly payment and just
how much house you canrealistically afford.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So how does that
translate into actual dollars?
What's the typical monthlymortgage payment looking like
now?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
OK, so for a typical
existing single family home,
assuming a buyer puts down 20percent, which is a big
assumption, we'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
The average monthly
principal and interest payment
is hovering around two thousandone hundred and twenty dollars.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Twenty one, twenty a
month, and how does that compare
to last year?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That's up four point
one percent compared to the
first quarter of twenty twentyfour.
So still rising year over year.
That's up 4.1 percent comparedto the first quarter of 2024.
So still rising year over year.
Ok, though interestingly it'sactually down just a tiny bit
like two dollars from theprevious quarter, q4 2024.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Two dollars.
Well, I guess every little bitcounts.
Maybe Doesn't sound like muchrelief, though.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
No, it's hardly
noticeable relief, practically
speaking.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And what does that
two thousand one hundred twenty
dollar payment mean in terms ofpeople's budgets?
What slice of their income isgoing to the mortgage?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Right now.
The report estimates thathouseholds are spending about
24.4% of their income on thatmortgage payment.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Okay, almost a
quarter of their income.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, which is
actually a slight improvement
from the 24.8% it was in thefourth quarter, so again a tiny
bit of easing, but stillhistorically high.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
But you mentioned the
20% down payment.
That picture probably looksquite different for first-time
buyers, right?
They often have less to putdown.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Exactly.
The situation is considerablytougher for people trying to get
into the market for the firsttime.
They're often dealing withsmaller down payments, maybe
facing student debt, and they'remore sensitive to those
interest rate moves.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
So what does
affordability look like
specifically for them?
What's a starter home costing?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Okay, so the average
price for what NAR considers a
starter home is around $342,000nationally 342,.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Still a big number.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
It is, and if you
assume a more typical 10% down
payment for a first-time buyer,that estimated monthly mortgage
payment jumps to about $2,079.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Wow, almost the same
payment as the overall median
home, but with half the downpayment on a cheaper house.
That's rough.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It really shows the
impact of that down payment and
potentially mortgage insuranceand that $2,079 payment also up
4.1% year over year.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Okay, and the income
slice.
What percentage of their incomedoes that eat up?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Here's the really
stark figure that payment
consumes nearly 37% of a typicalfirst-time buyer household's
income 37% just for the mortgagepayment.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Principal and
interest Just principal and
interest Doesn't include taxes,insurance, maintenance.
Wow, nearly 40% of your incomejust gone on the mortgage
payment.
Principal and interest, justprincipal and interest.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Doesn't include taxes
, insurance, maintenance Wow,
nearly 40% of your income justgone on the mortgage payment.
That sounds incredibly tight.
That doesn't leave much roomfor anything else.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
It's incredibly tight
.
It makes getting that foot onthe property ladder really
really difficult for a lot ofyoung people and families.
And here's another statisticthat really drives it home To
comfortably afford that mortgagewith a 10% down payment, you'd
need a household income of atleast $100,000.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
A hundred grand
income.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
In 45% of the metro
market's NAR tracks.
Almost half the countryrequires a six-figure income
just to get in with 10% down.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
And is that number
going up?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yes, the number of
markets requiring that $100K
plus income is increasing, manOK.
So buying a home, especially ifyou're just starting out, it
really requires a pretty heftyincome in a huge part of the
country now.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It does.
The bar is significantly higherthan it used to be.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So let's try to wrap
this all together.
We've covered a lot of ground.
What real wealth?
And in an economy that can feela bit volatile sometimes?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
having that equity in
your home provides a pretty
significant degree of financialstability for many families.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
That's definitely
encouraging if you're already in
the market, but what about theother side, the folks trying to
get in?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, For prospective
buyers.
Let's be honest, the path isstill really challenging.
There's no sugarcoating that.
However, there are maybe someglimmers of hope, depending on
where you are the signs ofcooling prices in some areas,
that slight stabilization inmortgage payments we saw, even
if tiny.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And the potential for
more inventory coming online,
especially with new constructionin regions like the South, it
could start to create someopportunities.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So not easy, but
maybe slightly less impossible
than it felt six months ago insome places.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Perhaps, yeah.
But it really, reallyunderscores how vital it is to
look beyond the nationalheadlines.
You have to focus intensely onyour specific local market
conditions.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Because what's
happening nationally might be
totally different from your cityor even your neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Absolutely.
The national average is justthat, an average.
Your local reality could bevastly different.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, that's a
crucial point.
So just to quickly recap ourdeep dive then home prices still
mostly going up across the US,but definitely slower than
before.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yep, the pace has
eased.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Big differences
between regions, that tale of
four Americas Northeast hot,south cooling thanks to building
Midwest and west somewhere inbetween.
Affordability Still a hugeissue, a major concern,
especially for first-time buyersneeding that six-figure income
in so many places.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
The biggest hurdle,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
But there are some
early signs maybe of
stabilization or even pricessoftening in certain markets
that got overheated.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Right, some
rebalancing occurred.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Okay, that covers a
lot.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
It's a complex
picture, constantly evolving,
and you know this really leadsto a final thought.
Maybe a question for you, ourlistener, to chew on.
Okay, given everything we'vetalked about these national
trends, the cooling pace, theregional variations, but also
knowing how intensely local realestate is, what specific
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factors do you think willactually have the biggest impact
on housing affordability rightwhere you live, in your specific
area, over the next year or so?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Good question.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, really think
about it.
Is it local job growth or maybejob losses?
Are there big new constructionprojects planned or underway?
Are people moving into yourtown or are they leaving?
Because ultimately, it'sprobably those very local
dynamics, more than anythingelse, that will shape your
housing reality going forward.