From Basement Drunk to Fitness Guru: Overcoming Addiction with Spencer Fried

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Spencer Audio (00:08):
All right, everyone.
Welcome back to another episodeof David Saturday Night.
Sit back tonight in the studioif I could be so bold as to call
it that.
We got Spencer Fried Frid, butFrid.
I'll take it man.
SP fried.
Deep fried.
Deep fried ride.
Deep, baby deep.
He went from being a campcounselor to a model valet.

(00:28):
A marketing Intune intern,excuse me, in New York, uh, to
negotiating funds for theUniversity of Miami in Florida,
but only for a little bit.
Uh, then he was a tequilaambassador back in New York
again.
He bounced around to a few otherjobs and then finally landed in
Austin, Texas where he's now apersonal trainer running his own
business.
He used to be an alcoholic,hasn't had a drink in about two

(00:50):
and a half years, and now helives life.
One rep at a time.
He has an Instagram page full ofinspiration on.
But tonight everyone, he's hereon David's Saturday night.
Sit back.
I'm very excited to record thisepisode and see where it goes.
Spencer, thank you.
Thank you for coming out, man.
Thanks David.
Thanks for inviting me, man.
I'm super excited to be here.
You are the, uh, second guest.
That we are going to play thegame.

(01:11):
Where should we begin?
Which is a game aboutstorytelling and just breaking
the ice.
It gives the audience a chanceto get to know you and get to
know me a little bit.
Would you like to be the firststoryteller, or would you like
me to I would be absolutely on.
You're gonna be first.
Let's do it.
I'll be first.
Okay.
Yeah, let's do it.
I'm gonna give you this one.
This seems like a good, okay, soI'm, I'm gonna read it.
You're gonna read it and thenanswer it.

(01:31):
Okay.
You ready?
I'm ready.
All right.
A decision I've been.
Ooh.
Maybe not, maybe not so much.
An easy one coming on thispodcast.
You've been avoiding this.
No, I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
Jesus.
No, I I I was excited when youfirst a decision.
I've been avoiding don't, Idon't think there's a decision

(01:55):
I've been avoiding.
Sure, yeah.
Yeah.
Like that.
That's the way I try to live mylife.
I mean, maybe I'm not aware ofsomething, but if there was a
decision that was avoiding,like, I try to be a very
self-aware person, feel like Iwould know.
All right.
I, I gotta give you a differentone.

(02:15):
Okay.
All right.
Here you go.
Okay.
Or if you wanna dive into thatman.
Do you wanna ask me questions?
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'mnot mentally awake enough yet to
deep dive, so let's, that's fairenough.
Let's just stick with the, thequestion.
Sorry, man.
I, I just don't, I don't thinkthat's very healthy of you.
Yeah.
You're a very, you're verywell-balanced individual.
Well done.
I appre.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
I appreciate that.
All right.
Second one.

(02:35):
The worst kiss I've ever had.
Oh, wow.
All right.
The worst kiss I've ever had.
I mean, what comes to mind is,uh, It was awkward.
It was just weird, you know?
It's been the bottle.
Uh, excellent.
Yeah, it was just like, so itlanded on this girl and we're

(02:59):
like, all right, let's go, let'sgo kiss.
And we went in the center and Iwas like, maybe, how old was I?
I was 11 or 12 or something.
And it was just terrible, dude.
Yeah.
It just, it just wasn't good.
And you remember this?
I remember it clearly.
Matt, do you remember who shewas?
I know her.
Her exact name.
I feel like I shouldn't give theexact name.

(03:19):
No, no, that's not what I wasgetting at.
I was just wondering youremember who else was there,
where you were.
Oh, for sure.
You remember all the details.
Sure.
I was, I know all the details,all the names, everything man.
Cause I feel like when we'relike that age, like those things
are so, like those moments areso little.
Yep.
But we remember them for therest of our lives, so.
Well, they're big moments too.
They're big moments.

(03:40):
Yeah.
At that.
At the time, right?
Yeah.
And still now.
I mean, if you remember all ofit, if you remember whose house
you were at, who else was there?
Yeah.
The exact name of the girl.
Everything.
That's cool.
The smell in the house.
The smell.
The smell.
How?
How wet the kiss was.
How wet the kiss was.
Everything, dude.
Kiss off.

(04:00):
Yeah, man.
It's like a delic.
Good.
Yeah.
All right.
Hit me.
All right.
You ready?
What's my first one?
All right, Spencer hit me.
An experience that shaped who Iam that few people know about.
Oh goodness.
So let me salude this, though.
That's a word.
Prelude.
I, I know this word.

(04:21):
Is that a word?
Pollute?
Yeah.
So I, I gave you this cardbecause I feel like you're an
interesting person.
I want to understand No, ifthere was an experience.
one, I don't, I wouldn't saythat this shaped me necessarily.
but I had a friend who was, hewas into some gang related

(04:43):
things.
Mm-hmm.
Got shot seven times, or 11times.
Seven, 11, ding, ding, ding.
Um, lived through it.
Wow.
Sort of had a wake up call of.
I need to stop before this takesmy life.
Stop getting shot.
Yes.
No, stop r running around withgangs.
Right, right.
And getting shot.
She should probably stop gettingshot.

(05:03):
Yeah.
and he, he had a wife and Iforget if they needed money or
something, but I was running ahealth club at the time.
She needed a job.
I gave her one, gave her a jobas our front desk attendant.
And there was a day where wewere going back and forth over.
And he knows me.

(05:25):
We had been friends for quitesome time.
He knows I'm very sarcastic.
He knows that if I'm making funof you, it's because I love you,
not because I'm actually makingfun of you.
I'm the same way.
Perfect.
Yeah.
make fun of me, bro.
I will.
By the time this is over, I'll,I'll call you small or
something.
You stupid.
You're ti you're tiny Littlearms.
And so during our leg day today,we should do deadlifts or

(05:47):
something, and he's making upall these excuses and I was
like, why are you being such alittle princess about this?
Mm-hmm.
Anyways, me calling himspecifically a princess, got him
real upset and so he drove overto the gym in a hot rage.
Wow.
Came storming into the lobby.
Through this huge fit and wasknocking shit over, knocking
supplements off the shelves.
Wow.
Yelling no one calls me aprincess.

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you don't have any self-respect.
Let's go.
Let's go into the fucking streetright now.
Holy shit.
Right now.
And so he made this big scene.
We did not fight.
I was like, dude, you need toget the fuck outta here and
calm.
Figure about down princessthing, man.
That's like something happenedin his past.
Someone called him a princessand then shot him seven times.
Yeah, exactly.

(06:29):
Don't be a princess.
Just like, so.
Anyways, after that incident,his wife still worked there
obviously.
And I called the corporateoffices, human resources manager
essentially, and was like,listen, I don't want to go to
this, this, like, this is mygym, this is my house.
I don't want his wife hereanymore.
She's an Atwell employee.
It's California.
That's fucking exercise the shitand get her outta here.
Right.
And they wouldn't let me.

(06:49):
Really?
So then what?
After that, I, shortly after Igraduated from college, got a
job at, with a professionalservices firm, that experience
told showed me that I wouldnever, ever again employ a
friend.
Wow.
I would help a friend if someonecame to me for like advice or to
help them get a job, I would dothat.

(07:09):
But after that incident I waslike, this is why people say you
shouldn't employ friends, cuzshit like this happens.
Shit happens, and thencomfortable situation.
Yep.
So you ran a health club?
I didn't know that.
I did.
It's crazy.
Cool, man.
You didn't research me.
I didn't research.
I spent an hour researching you.
I trying, I'll, I'll do it afteryou from the podcast.

(07:31):
No, I'll do it after thepodcast.
Okay, fair enough.
Yeah, man, 11 years I got thejob on accident.
I started in the kids areawatching the kids.
Fast forward 11 years, I helpedopen a few of their clubs,
closed a few of their clubs,turned a profit on one of their
underperforming clubs.
Dude, it was a really goodcareer.
Good for you, man.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
It was fun.
It was awesome.
Have you worked at a gymformally?

(07:52):
I have.
I have.
Yeah.
I worked at, um, I mean, beforeI started the business I was
doing Lifetime Fitness.
I was working at, um, Equinoxfor a little bit.
And yeah, man, just wasn't,wasn't up to par.
Like I like having my ownbusiness.
I like, uh, making my own hoursand also just the whole, oh,

(08:13):
yeah.
Yeah.
I'm good bro.
Thank you.
Oh, thanks man.
I appreciate it.
Um.
But yeah, I like, you know, whenI was there, I'm like, this
isn't, this isn't for me.
So the whole corporate, likelifestyle isn't for me.
It's the way that I, I'm veryfriendly the way I speak, and I
used to be just in general, Iused to work for yelp.com and

(08:34):
just the, the vibe, dude.
oh, you know, do the papers andstuff like that.
Do the papers.
Do you do the papers or Hey, didyou send that memo?
Or if somebody's pissed atsomebody, what they would say.
Rebecca, you know, or instead ofjust being like, Hey, Rebecca,

(08:56):
what was that?
You know what I mean?
Corporate talk.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But did anyone tell you when youwere at Lifetime, did anyone
tell you you had to talk like acorporate trainer or did you
just feel like you had to talklike a corporate trainer
lifetime?
Um, that's a good question.
That's a good question.
No one told me to.
Lifetime was good.
That was a great, that was agreat company, but like office

(09:17):
sort of position, lifetimedidn't work because, uh, it's
based on the, the businessmodel, they would take too much
money.
Right.
So we would charge like$1,400.
Wow.
Like a really, a really crazynumber all the time.
10%, 10% commission.

(09:38):
And then you'd get like, Certainpercentage when you fulfill the
session.
Which, but they, they take themajority of it and then taxes
wasn't worth it.
Did you have a, the health clubthat you had was at a gym,
right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
How was the training protocolover there?

(09:58):
I want to say it was at least 5050.
That's fair.
If not more.
Yeah.
The trainers took the bulk of itreally.
I'm trying to remember, cuz thiswas over four years ago that I
left and the trainers werepretty self-sufficient, so I

(10:19):
didn't micromanage them at all.
But I want to say like if youbought a session alone, it was
80 bucks for an hour.
Oh, got you.
Okay.
But they were taking 50 or 60.
That's good.
Something like that.
A solid, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Lifetime was like one 20.
1 21 30 a session.
You have the amount, and thennow I wonder what the numbers

(10:41):
actually are.
I'm gonna have to text someone.
Right.
What are, what are the marginsthese days?
I like a hundred percent.
And then give, you know, evenlike 90, 30%, even if it was
like 90 10, like 90 to thetrainer, 10% to the gym.
That'd be Yeah, bet that'd be a,I know it's a for profit
company.
I know that would never happen.
It's, but yes, it's half it'stough business.
I wonder, so I had a guy.

(11:03):
Or was it Hedaya?
No, it's Hedaya.
Yeah.
She was talking about how she washe wants to open a gym one day.
Nice.
I wonder if she was the, if shewas the first person to open a
gym where the trainers get like90%, 5% of what they make.
Yeah.
What kind of talent she wouldattract it.
Be a mate do be, it would beincredible because then all the
trainers would want to workthere.
She could be super selectiveabout who she hires.

(11:26):
Absolutely.
Versus just hiring like anyonethat applies.
Yep.
I wonder if that would changethe culture.
The trainers, how they sell, howthey train the members.
I don't know, dude, it would, itwould change the game.
It would absolutely change thegame because what happens now is
a lot of times trainers go tothese companies that are new.
They don't understand, if theyjust got their certification, a

(11:47):
lot of the times they work atcorporate, which is, which is
totally fine.
And honestly, that's what I didand worked because they taught
me so.
That I use in my business.
I'm not bagging on them at allif they're, if they're listening
to this dude.
But, if, if she creates a gymthat has a, a, a community where
Hey, we actually really look outfor our trainers, it would be
incredible.
And something like 90 10, ifthat worked for that business,

(12:09):
she would attract amazingclientele in terms of trainers.
Well, Jim should be gettingtheir primary revenues from the
should.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We went to, do you like jazz?
Do like jazz music.
Dude, you've been to Parker Jazzlounge?
I haven't.
I thought they were gonna sayElephant room or something.
no, but I've heard of them.
Yeah.
That's a good job.
Me and friend, a friend went toParker on a whim and he was
talking about how, all the, hismain band players had been with

(12:32):
them for over 20 plus years.
Oh, wow.
And he made a joke and he waslike, y'all want to know how I
retain these people?
And you know, the audience waslike, yeah.
Like I pay them.
Well, big surprise.
No way, man.
Well, I made a joke.
at my gym.
My gym.
The gym.
I used to work for our personaltrainer.
Turnover was high because firstof all, it's so hard when you're
first starting, you know, youget your certificate, you go and

(12:54):
take the test, and then youthink that, oh, like all these
clients are just gonna come tome.
You don't realize you have tosell all, like you have to work
hard.
It's hard work, man.
Yeah, yeah.
Which is good though.
I think it's good for the.
For the kids.
It is good for the kids.
It's good for the kids, yes.
To learn, learn the ropes andyou know nothing in life as you
know man, obviously you worked.

(13:16):
It's one of those things that'seasy.
Mm-hmm.
Speaking of working out, butthat's why I love working out
man, is cuz it, that's notsomething that someone could
buy.
Nope.
So when you see somebody withlike an amazing physique, it's
like this per worked his.
Hours.
Hours and hours.

(13:37):
Hours, right?
Days, days, days.
I'll tell you, when I look inthe mirror and I see my body, I
see, and this might sound weird,but I see the hours that I've
worked on, it's there.
If I go to the gym an hour and ahalf, that's, that's about my
normal time you do in the math,and I do that five times a week.

(14:01):
And I do that 52 weeks a year.
I don't even know if I want tohear this yet.
And I have been doing that forthe last 17 years.
17, good for you.
And then I divide that by,that's minutes.
So then how many minutes in aday?
Hang on, I'm gonna get there.
Uh, come back calculator, savethat number 60 times 24.

(14:23):
Then take 24 60.
That No, no, no, no, no.
That that perfect.
Oh, I knew that number.

Microphone (Scarlett 6i6 USB (14:42):
So you relapsed a few times.
It wasn't a one and done.
Do you remember on September2nd, 2020, do you remember much
about that day, specificallywhat you were doing, what you
were thinking about?
Um, anything along those lines?

Microphone (Scarlett 6i6 (14:56):
that.
The only thing that I rememberfrom that day was just going on
my phone and I had like a soberapp and I was just like,
starting now.

Microphone (Scarlett 6i6 U (15:05):
well is it was just like a day
counter.
Like you input a day and it's soSeptember 3rd, it'll tell you
you have one day, September 4th,two days, something like that.

Microphone (Scarlett 6 (15:12):
exactly.
So it was just, it was called IAm Sober.
Okay.
Not, not a very creative name.

Microphone (Scarlett (15:16):
creative, I am sober

Microphone (Scarlett 6i6 USB) (15:17):
I am sober.
I am Jew.

am sober.
That's, that's, that's a newone.
That's like a empowering thing.
Like I am ju

I am

It's beautiful.
Jew.
Um, what was I gonna ask you?
So you started your app, uh, youmentioned that life was, you
were at rock bottom.
What did that look like for you?
Just not feeling like the main thing
was just feeling, uh, terribleexisting, to be honest with like

(15:46):
walking around, I felt notconfident.
My self-esteem was low.
My energy was low.
Um, I was in my mom's basement,she was there.
I feel so bad for my mom andlike we, we've, you know, we
have a great relationship now.
But imagine from herperspective, like son is just
like in rock bottom drinkingevery day.

(16:07):
To be honest.
Drinking by myself in thebasement, bro.
Really, really bad spot.
And, I, I made the change causeI knew where that would lead to.
It would lead to the sameperpetual stuff.
It would get worse and worse andworse.
So the only thing I rememberthat day is just making a
decision.
And that's when I, I think Ientered the gym like right then.

(16:28):
Were you working out while you were
drinking too?

Microphone (Scarlett 6i6 US (16:30):
you No, no, no, no.
I
you ever worked out before you were
25?
Consistently?
You not consistently no.
Did you play sports in high school
or anything like

Lacrosse.
I wasn't athletic dude.

Lacrosse guys are pretty

athletic.
Yeah.
But I, I, I wasn't

I tried.

yeah.
Thank you bro.
I, I appreciate it.
I, but no,

To the best of your memory, what
was your and your mom'srelationship like while you were
still drinking and when you wereliving in her basement?

Laughing It was strained, dude.
Just like, based on thatdescription, like you could
tell, like obviously it's astrained relationship and like
she had so much love for me.
It's just like I didn't havelove for myself.
So that must be like, some ofthe biggest pain that a mother
can feel is just like my son isdestroying himself.

(17:22):
So part of that decision was notjust for me, but also like for
her, it was for my future familytoo.
Like, I didn't even think aboutme.
I was like, dude, like my lifeis going to be a perpetual hell
if I don't.
Changed this aspect of my lifebecause the drinking was
avoiding everything.
So the last three years havejust been like, show me, like,

(17:44):
show me what I need to know.
Show me the fear, show me theanger.
Show me like what I'm nothealing from.
And the gym was a place I alwayswent to when I wanted to drink.
And it was always a place I wentto when uh, I wasn't feeling
good and there was always justsomething to work on, bro.
And that, that's like kind ofhow it all started because I
didn't know what I wanted to doat 25 and now I have a purpose

(18:06):
for my life.
Crazy.
And so like I'm talking to somepeople who are like 23, 22, like
just in networking groups.
Like, I don't know what I wannado, man.
I'm like, dude, it's okay.
And people told me that too andI was just like, that's
bullshit.
So I don't know.

too.
I think it's okay to not knowwhat you want to do

okay.
It is no, but I mean, that'sfine.
Like they told me that, I'mlike, yeah, right.
And then that was

flipped.
Gotcha.
That's

I told them that and I hope that
they're like,

Microphone (Scarlett 6i (18:32):
Listen.
Yeah.
you said you felt terrible.
What, what'd you feel Terribleabout?

It's myself, bro.

What?
About
just, I had no confidence, man.
Like, I just, I didn't feel goodabout, um, like I didn't keep,
my word was a big one.
And I feel like as men, likewhen I say I'm gonna come here
tonight, like, I'm gonna comehere no matter what, because I
gave you my word.
I don't know you.
But it's also for myself cuzit's like, My word is my bond.

(19:01):
Yeah.
So I was saying I was gonna dothings and just didn't follow
through, um, and didn't want tobe me, bro.
It's hard to explain, but Ijust, I didn't, I had to drink
to go out.
I had to drink to be social.
You, you never, you never younever felt that dude.

Of course I did.
Okay.
But we're, this is your, this isyour episode.

I appreciate it.
Deep dive

into, into your life
dive, bro.
Deep dive.

when you said, I feel terrible, I, it
hinted it, maybe there issomething specific, whether it
was a breakup, the way you wereraised.
Um, I don't know, I don't wannaput words in your mouth, but
like, when I fear feel terrible,it's usually because of
something specific.
Mm-hmm.
a boss chewed me out, a friendrejected me a date that went

(19:46):
wrong.
Like, there's usually some sortof source.
It's not like I just wake up andI'm like, oh, actually, like I
know what the, the feel, I knowwhere the feeling is coming from
to a certain extent.
So that's sort of why I wasgetting at.
were you drinking all day, everyday?
Was it primarily just at night?
Like were you holding you down aday job at the time?

Well, I can jump into the other
question though.
So like, in terms like, I, Ithink a big part of it was the
relationship I had with myparents.
So my father, I never had like aquote unquote masculine father.
Um, my mother was a littleoverbearing, and I'm not saying
this to like be a victim, butlike at that moment, that's how

(20:23):
I found myself of like, not.
Having masculine traits, likekeeping my word, you know, uh,
doing what I needed to do on adaily basis.
I didn't have someone to turnto, so I went to like a men's
team and I, I was part of amen's team.

trick.
What kind of team?
Like a soccer team?

No, dude.
It's just a circle of men.
So what we did is we just,

like a circle jerk.

almost like a circle jerk

Okay.
A

mental circle.
Jerk Mental sur.
Yeah, exactly.

How do you find

find this group command?
How'd you find this cult?
Craigslist bra.
Stop.
Okay.
I'm kidding.
It was a dude.
It's, uh, it's called mdi.
I mentor, discover, inspire.
So if any man is listening tothis and like, wants like just a
kick in the ass and older men tofather them, then it's a great
place to go to.

(21:10):
Um, so I did that as I got soberand they helped me just become
the man that I am now.
Just like somebody who I enjoywaking up being every

got mentor, discover,

Fire.

it a US ba is it all over the US or
is it only in certain parts ofthe,

Circle?
It's all over the us.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's all across the country.
Yeah.
You should join, man.
We'll, I'll talk to you afterthe opposite,

We'll, we'll see.
I'm busy, busy with

Busy

No, I, I Maybe, yeah, maybe.
Um, are you, do you talk withyour D dad now or are you guys
in, in contact with each other?

I do, man.
And I love him to death.
Yeah.
No, bro, I've, I've gonethrough, he did the best he can.
My mom, like, I'm not a victimof my life whatsoever.
And I tell my clients that too.
Like there's.
Like, I hate victim mentalityand I know it's like, oh,
straight white guy saying thatmaybe.
Right.
But like we have advantages anddisadvantages in life.
That's just how it goes.

(22:04):
But there's no, like, the energyof victimhood is very
destructive.
Like, I blame somebody else.
Okay, fine.
So you blame somebody else, butlike what?
How's that gonna help you?

right.
Takes two to tango.

Takes takes two Tango.

But no, we, we do have a lot to own
in our own life story.
You know, we're, we're in it 24 7 because I've gone
through those phases as wellwhere I, I played the victim and
looking back on him like, thatdidn't get me anywhere.
Right.
I didn't build my confidence, Ididn't feel better.
I usually was just using it as away to get attention.
And then even the attention Idid get wasn't necessarily what

(22:41):
I was looking for.
Sure.
And then when I did get the or,and then when I didn't get
attention, I would feel evenworse.
Yeah.
Like, oh, well that didn't workout.

out.
It's a double edge sword, bro.
Yeah, that's what it is.

That's a single edge sword.

Oh, it's

victim hood,

So you go like that and then you
have to bring it back up.
Okay.
Exactly.

uh, where'd you grow up?
New York.

What was that like?

Who's good?

New York.
New York.
Like the city,

York, Westchester, New York.
Not the city.
So Westchester's like 20 minutesnorth of the city.
So suburbs.

Did you, uh, did you have a good
amount of friends growing up?

growing up?
Yeah, my childhood was reallygood.

Favorite childhood and memory.

memory?
My favorite childhood memory.
I already know, bro.
I had a great childhood.
My favorite childhood memorywas, it was my birthday.

was my, how old

I was maybe like seven or so.
Okay, okay.
I was at a bowling alley and um,all my friends were there and I
just remember just the sheerhappiness I had at that time,
bro.
I mean, you know, you rememberthat right?
Just like the noresponsibilities, like just
being a kid in life was justincredible.
Yeah.
And I just remember a momentlike I was bowling and I turned

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to my right and so one of, oneof my friends and she's like,
what are we gonna do after theparty?
I'm like, we're gonna go likeopen presents.
And I, and in that moment I justremember like, just so much joy
I had in that moment.
I remember.
Did you ever go reindeerstacking?

No.

Have you ever heard that term before?

I have not.
No.
No.
Is that like maybe cuz I'mJewish or something.
Is it like a Christmas thing?

just, it is a Christmas thing.
No, but you were in America, soyou saw, like, you knew
Christmas was happening Jewishor not Sure.
So reindeer stacking, you'vebeen like driven through
neighborhoods where people willhave the reindeers in their
front yard.
Yeah.
It's when you go and you put thereindeer in sexual positions,
like they're just humping eachother or

it.
Yeah.
You stack'em, like

turn one over and put the other one
on top or Sure.

Yeah.
Like doggy style,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But me and my friends, yeah,that, that, that's one of my
favorite teenage memories.
So I guess I wasn't a kid but ateenager, uh, was when we would
go out around Christmas

Christmas,

we'd just beat, you know, cause
destruction in the neighborhood,

Get
all those reindeer humping each
other.

I put'em in sexual position.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love it.
Didn't we Used to do a lot ofegging?
Egging was big A

you
did just fine.
It smells throw so bad.
You gotta hit the windows too.

It was so loud,
so
It scares the shit outta you if
you're not expecting it,

Imagine.
Yeah.

If one hit that window right now,
I'd jump a mile.
I would jump off screen.
I'd be in the kitchen

for sure.
Knives with this.
I mean, you have a sword, bro.
So Yeah.

be yelling, Hey, go get

'em.
'em.

Throw your sword after.
I'm, dude, you'd be good.

you?
Yeah.
Yeah.
What was your first job ever?
Because on your LinkedIn, youhave quite a few
camp counselor.
Probably.
I was like 16, 15.

You were counseling kids?
Camp

kids, bro.
Oh God.
I, I, I loved it, bro.
Loved it.
I really did.
where did you model for
dude, that was,

let me guess.
who

were the, what was the company that
has the shirtless dudes in frontof their store?
Were you that guy?

You got it right.
No, no, no, no.
So, just to be super clear, thiswould be super clear.
I, on, on that resume.
It's says model.
But I was like 16 at the time.
I didn't, I wasn't working outor anything.
They call the people who work atHollister, which is the, the
store that you're probablytalking about.
Yes.
Right.
Yeah.
They were, they called like thesalespeople models.
So I was just like working likein the store.

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I wasn't outside shirtless.
I was a minor.
Oh yeah.

Yeah, that'd be weird.

be kind of strange.
Have the 14 year

shirtless in front of the store.

Get a bunch of old guys, be like,
woo,

Oh God.
Go to Hollister,
go to Hollister

I'm still looking, I'm still trying
to find them.

So they called you if you just work
the cash register, you gotcalled a model,

Whole model

you were folding clothes, you got
called a model.
But I'll be honest with you, man,
like part of the reason why Igot that job was cuz I was so
insecure that I wanted thattitle of model.
So I was like, yeah, I'm amodel.
But I was just like,

insecure.
You weren't even modeling exceptmaybe a Hollister shirt or

dude, nothing.

do you recall how you, how old you
were when you first starteddrinking?

Yeah.
Um, I remember the exact firstdrink too.
what, what?
Tell us

It was like a, it was a beer.
It was at my friend Andre'shouse.
And, he was like, Hey man, youknow, let's, let's try this
beer.
I'm like, okay, let's do it.
And, I knew, I, I think I knewright away, dude, that was gonna
be a problem.
Why?
Because it, it took so much ofthe anxiety away.
Like it took so much of like it,I was just like, wow, like this

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feels really good to relax, butalso keep in mind like, I feel
that way with ev like having anaddictive personality.
So it's just Like food, forexample, if I have junk food
everywhere, I'm going to eat it.
Right?
So it's a matter of being awayfrom that stuff.
But I, I think I knew right awaythat, how

old were you?

you?
Like 12,

12.
Yeah.
Wow.
A

young or old?

or old?
Young

Think so.
How, how about you?

old?
21.

Really?
I feel like that's old for sure.

sure.
It's definitely
rare.
It's legal.
It's

it's rare.
there is even an, I know for afact, we just have spring break
here and I know a lot of thehigh schoolers at my gym.
my gym, the gym that I attend,

Is it Gold?

Attend
there.
You attend

the gym that I fuck shit up at
Oh, there you go.
Yes.
All the teenagers were talking.
You go
how they were gonna spend all, all
of spring break drinking andYeah.
Man, that wasn't me.
I was raised, in a Christianhome and followed a lot of the
rules such as no cursing, youknow, cursed very rarely really,
no drugs, no booze.
I had opportunities, I gotinvited to stuff.

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I just never, I'd never partook

talk.
Tell me about that though.
Like why didn't you par partake?
Because

didn't wanna go to hell.

hell.
Wow.
So it was the It works.
It works guys.
Um,

I think I just listened to, it was
a mix of listening to my parentsand when you're raised a certain
way and it's drilled into you,you know, me and my siblings
went to a private Christianschool.
We went to to church on Sunday.
So when you're praying.
10 times a day, literallybetween like every meal,

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beginning of every class.
You're going to church onSunday, you're going to chapel
on Thursday, you're going toyouth group on Wednesday night.
you're so, the Saturday is youronly goddamn break, you know,

from praying
from everything.
Yeah.
So I think a part of it wasprobably like, we were so
immersed in the culture that itjust worked.
Whether it was right, wrong,that's irrelevant.
Right.
The fact is, I, I listened, butthen I turned 21 and, my first
very first drink was at a placecalled Cheesecake Factory with

Oh yeah.
Baby 60 Green.
Nice.

I ordered a Pina colada

No way there.
So

I was a badass.

Do you remember how you felt when
you were just sipping in thatpina colada?
Dude,

I didn't understand.

You understand?

I did because I, it, the one drink
didn't do anything for me.
It didn't even get me buzzed.
So I was like, it

you're, you're a big dude.
Is that, you think that's why?

Well, back then, I wasn't this big,
but I think just one drink toosoon do much for me while you're
also eating a but load of pasta.
Yeah.
And you

you were
was hydrated like one drink's, not
gonna do anything to someone,anyone in that condition.

that's true.

true.
But then I took, a couple monthslater, I took my first shot of
Gray Goose.

Ooh.

And again, only one shot.
I didn't get it.
So I walked out of that eventand I, and, and everyone started
puking at that event.

Uhhuh

I remember there is literally
someone got puke on the ceiling.

No,

I was going to use the bathroom
and I was walking down thehallway and there was this puke
dripping down

from the, it stopped, dude.

Oh my God.
And so I sidestep the puke.

How's that even possible?
I was like, Ugh.

oh, Like, dude, he's a very tall
man.
He, if he's like six feet tall, it's
easy.
Ah, I remember my brother was laying
on the couch in the family room.
Yeah.
And he was laying over the sideof the couch, just like puking
onto the floor, blah.
So then not only did I not getbuzzed, but I'm like, everyone's

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just puking now.

Like, yeah,

Then my third drink was a warm beer.
It was like a Coors Light, butit was room temperature.
I really didn't understandalcohol.
I was like, why is anyonedrinking this?
Wow.
It tastes bad.
Yeah.
There's no point.

And you just had one every time
though,
for those first three instances.
Yes.
Sure.
Then I went to a kinky Christmasparty.

Okay.
There you go.
As you should, as you should

as one does
As one does.
It wasn't even Christmas timeand, uh,
uh Oh, it was, it was December.
It was December.
Do you know, what'd you wear?
Dude?
You wear

wore I wore a, a set of, Grinch
boxers and a, a Christmas leanbathrobe, and that was it.
And some slippers,

gotta stop Gonna orgs bro.
I feel like you

before this, we were talking about an
orgy.
I got invited.
I'm not talking about it on thepodcast.
There's, it's too close to home.
Maybe I will in a few episodes.
We'll see.
but yeah, no, I went to aChristmas, kinky Christmas party
and they had a jungle juicethere,

Ooh.
Yeah.
Who shows
what was in that sunny delight and
vodka probably.
But it was was so good.
Yeah.
You know, and yeah, I gotblackout

got that.
Did you?
Yeah.
So, okay.
And then, then what happened?
Like, you woke up the nextmorning and

woke back and I hurt?
terrible, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It wasn't good.
Especially all that sugar.
I remember I had a essay due,uh, and a couple days following
that and

it was on

a Friday night and so I had
Saturday to write the essay andmy head was throbbing so bad I

remember that feeling.
Focus.
So did you drink more?
That's what I used to do.

Not that time.
No
No, but you've never been a big,
you're not a big drinker now.

now.
Oh, I definitely was in mytwenties.
I was a huge drinker.

How old are you, dude?
are you?
How do you think I am?

I am?
I don't know, man.
That's like, yes, it's fun.
24.
You're Shut

up.
No, you don't think, you thinkI'm 24?
You could be,

could be, bro.
I don't know man.
30, 31.
I'm 35.
You look great,

great.
I'm so old.
You
almost cr dude.
You're not old bro.
You know what the prime frameman is?

man is?
Uh, I'm gonna say, well, U age'sprobably right?
28, 27.
20.
No, no.
Def no cuz because men gatherresources, you're about to enter
your prime, which is 36 yearsold.
And then it goes all down.
No, I'm kidding.
Then it goes up like, like,dude, men age, like fine wine.
Right.
Like your, your, your businessis growing, the podcast is

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growing.
You're becoming more popular.
You're also finding yourselfmore.
I'm sure when you were in yourtwenties, you didn't know who
you were, right?
No.
At least less than than how youknow now.
Yeah.
Right.

I feel I'm smelling what you're
stepping in.

You're smelling what I'm what?
Yes.
Yes.

So, so to answer your question, that
was a long rabbit trail to sayYes.
12 years old for your firstdrink is in my, in my world from
my perspective as young.
But, all the kids now aregetting drunk at like 17.
they all just went on a weeklong bender for spring break and
all of them came back and werelike, yeah, I did was drink.
I didn't eat, I didn't sleep.
I just drank for seven dayslaunch, lost a bunch of weight

(33:54):
and I'm back at the gym.
Woohoo.
who really

That's, yeah.

you heard that at Golds

multiple times.
Really?
It just went on a five day longbender.

went 17,

17.
17, 18.
One of them 16 maybe.
18.
I feel like that's kind ofnormal.
Yeah.
I guess it's like, it was normalwhere I was like, my culture, I
guess
All the sinners.

sinners.
What's up Did it wait,

I'd said With all the sinners.
All the sinners.

Sinners like

Oh, sinners, yeah.
Centers.
Same as centers.
No, no, no, no,
you mean?
Like a town square?

no in Jewish.
How, how, how, um,

were

raised Jewish?
Yeah.
Heavily.
I don't even know how to say howto, if I'm wording that right.
right.
I gotta say I love being Jewish.
Okay.
Because it's like, like I don't,like, I don't want like to come
off as like I make fun of Jews,but like, I, I joke around cuz
it's fun, you know?
We don't have to be so seriousall the time.
And I love Jews.

I went to a, not to interrupt you.
No, go ahead.
I went to a comedy night lastFriday.
Nice.
And to your point about makingfun of Jews.
Yeah.
The main, the headliner comedianwas making fun of Christians
pretty hardcore.
I was in tears.
Oh,

That's good.

I was in tears as

you're cool.

I was laughing so hard.
Dude, that's great.
And I think it's because, andsame for you, if you heard a
Jewish joke, you'd probablythink it was hilarious.

sure.
sure.
And people who take a offenseare probably in their twenties,

I think so.

still figuring themselves out

hair or

something.
I don't know.
They just

take like too seriously.

You gotta be able to make fun of
these things.

things have to bro.
And

it's a joke.
He wasn't being serious.
Yeah.
He didn't mean anything.
he was making jokes.

And it's interesting too, a comedy
because if you see like, okay, acomedian says these things and
without contact, without tone,tonality, anything like that.
And you look at the sentence, ofcourse it's gonna come off as
terrible.
Like if you write a blog like,oh, this person said this.
Yes, it's gonna be terrible,man.
But, um, but I'm sure Sacramentowas like, was that like a Comedy

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Haven or not really?
No, that's why he came here.

Really?
That's why he came here because

I wanted the podcast to be in
person.
And there's nobody inSacramento.

You came here for the podcast.
Yep.
Dude, good for you.
I'm

1800 miles to start a podcast.
This guy right here.
This guy right here, dude.
That's why you're gonna be, butlike, that's why I'm saying
that's why you're gonna be bigman, because you're so, you're
so committed to this

to this.
There, there's just nobody tointerview there.

You have the

state capital

and

wasn't gonna be a political interview.
I didn't want a bunch of thoseschmucks on

You

know, I wanted pod, I wanted other
podcasters.
I wanted comedians, I wantedpersonal trainers.
I wanted special forces.
Right.
You know, actors, actresses.
I'm talking to a stuntcoordinator about coming on.
I sick.
Would that be

That's fucking sick, man.
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

All walks of life.

So you were talking about being
raised Jewish though.

Yeah, like I got Bar mitzvah and
stuff, but I was never likesuper strict.

I got bar mitzvahd.
Yeah.
Did you just make that a verb?

Yeah, that's, did people

actually say that?

I don't know.
I don't know.
That's
I meet, should I ask him if he got
Bar

Mitzvah?
Yeah, You should go up to arandom guy on the street and be
like, excuse me sir,

Are you Jewish Yes.

they used to, they do that in
Brooklyn actually.
What they say, excuse me, areyou Jewish?
And then if you say yes, thenthey try Bar Mitzvah you right
there.

mitzvah?
What do you, what happens whenyou get Bar mitzvah?
You get your wrist wrapped up?

Well, it it on the street.
That's what they do.
Like they do this, this, thisthing and then they, they bless
you or something.
Come more Jewish, I guess.
But.
Um, I got Bar Mitzvah, uh, whenI was 13.
Most people, you know, that'swhen they get their bar mitzvah
and, I was never religious.
The attention.
My mom said, you should do it SoI did it and it was a great

(37:35):
party.
but honestly, I valued thetradition of it.
Like the tradition of Judaism Ithink is really powerful, but I
don't believe in a lot of the,like, what they preach
personally.
and I think some of that is,there was a rabbi when I was
around 14 years old.
And, it was a female rabbi,which is, which is rare.
And it was cool.

(37:56):
And, I went to her, I'm like,Hey, all this, like, none of
this is real, right?
all the stories.
And I was like young, like 12,even younger, maybe 12, 11.
And she's like, yeah, so Ithink, yeah, the rabbi was like,
they're all metaphors.
I'm like, oh shit.
Okay.
So I, I don't know if thatchanged the trajectory of my
spiritual life, but ever sincethen I'm like, all right, this
is bullshit.

(38:16):
And then,
then, was there enough Jewish culture,
ingrained in you that it, youfelt like it affected your life,
decisions you made, how you gotto where you are today?

decision?
No.

No.
Do you practice any Jewishcustoms to this day

besides comedy?
No.
besides
besides comedy and being a mench.

No.
Being a Minch.
That's funny.
when you were talking aboutgetting blessed, it reminded me
of when, uh, JEA was over
and

recorded her.
episode,

My dog sneezed and I told'em, God
bless you.
Yeah.
And she started making fun of mefor that.
Oh,
Oh really?
It was like totally not like inthe culture.

was like, you, you're going too far.

no dogs when they sneeze.
Are you serious?
Oh really?
Yeah, I would, I would, I woulddo that too.
Fuck It's like, do you knowThad?

Well, she does now.

Right?

Why'd you come to Austin specifically
here versus you had, 50 statesto choose from?
How'd you land in Austin, Texas.

So it was, it was Covid time and,
um, it was, it was a weird,obviously we all remember it was
just a weird, uh, a weirdsituation.
And, uh, New York was crazy justin terms of the amount of money
that they were giving out.
so to be honest, I used thatmoney and I traveled the
country.
So

crazy.

so from New York, I flew, I'm like,
you know what, I'm a quarantinein Florida.
So I flew to Miami and I had aAirbnb for like 40 bucks.
And a long story short, justtravel the country, man from
Miami to Texas and then toCalifornia.
And I was gonna move to SanDiego.
Cause I thought, I don't know.
I'm like, I'm gonna move to SanDiego.

(39:57):
And then my friend was like, youshould visit Austin.
I'm like, why would I visitAustin?
Do that sounds weird.
He's like, dude, you should,it's a cool place.
All right, fine.
Like I'll trust you.
So I, I was driving from Dallasto Austin and I wasn't a huge
fan of Dallas.
I was like, this is, have youbeen there?

was like,
No.
Don't.
Okay.

my boss wants me to go there, but
just only cuz he

there.
Sha quit your job
Quick.

when

podcast starts getting ad

doing right.

right?
Yeah.

So yeah.
Drove from Dallas to Austin andimmediately I was like, this,
this place is cool.
I saw young people running,living their healthy life and
also just a feeling I had.
I'm like, this is

this is, yeah,

cool.
So I, and then I'm, I flew toSan Diego and um, they didn't
understand sarcasm there, so Ohno.
Oh no.
So I'm like, this isn't gonnawork because sarcasm I think is
same with you.
Right.
It's a very important part of,so, um, moved here.
There are

the, you know, one of my favorite
places in Austin is Zer Park.
For those who don't know, youknow,

you've been of course beautiful.
Okay.

Okay.
It's, three, according to onewebsite, 300, either 360 or 380
acres in total.
Yeah.
And the first time I went outthere, there was multiple soccer
games going on.

Multiple

pickleball games going on five sand
volleyball courts.
a Springs Springs that you candrive in the Barton Springs.
You had people painting.
People dancing, yeah, peopledoing yoga.
60 plus dogs.
Yes.
I did count and it was justlike, Zilker is almost like a

(41:37):
haven.

Yeah.
It it like, it's,

it's all good vibes.
And when someone does show upwith negative vibes, I want to
tell them you should,

like, you should breathe.
It's like, you should go,

come back with good vibes.

Mm-hmm.

One lady was there and she kept
yelling at the dogs forapproaching her.
Yeah.
I don't want any dogs near mycampsite.
All right.

there's a hundred dogs here, ma'am.
This is the wrong place to be.
Right.
If you don't want dogs near you,

Right.

Um, but yeah, man, zer,
you tell her that?
No.
Oh.

I changed where I was sitting.

Oh, gotcha.

I didn't wanna listen to her.
She's ruined in my mood.
Right.
Dad's tail went down.

tailwind.

Was like, that's, that's smooth.

It's like, all right, I got you.
Sad.
Yeah.
We're, we're gonna, we're gonna

we're gonna, but man, zer.
Zer, definitely, uh, the firsttime we, we showed up there, I,
I, Sacramento has nothing like

I, so there's nothing in Sacramento
that's similar to

That's, there's parks, but nothing to
that size and nothing where youhave all different people of
different ages, of differentreligions doing different things
all in the same place and doingit harmoniously.

Microphone (Scarlet (42:48):
harmonious.
Mm.
That's well said, bro.
That's well said.
Doing it harmoniously.

Yes,

Cause I, I feel like what we're
getting away from in today'ssociety is just the technology
that we have and, and, andmoving away from our roots,
which is just stuff like that.
Like going to Zilker and justfucking, like dancing or playing
sports, being around people,good vibes saying, Hey, how you
doing?
Yeah.
Like, that's a beautiful,beautiful thing.
And I think like that'ssomething that is being lost a

(43:17):
little bit, especially likeworking from home.
Yep.
People on their screens, weforget like the simple things
are the things that make us themost happy.
Like con like what we're doingright now, dude.
Yep.
Connection right here.

connection.
What does, uh, community mean

communism

to you?

like.

It's

like, okay, next question.
Soviet.
No.
Um, What, what does communitymean to me?
It means, uh, human beingsconnecting, um, in a, with a

(44:03):
common interest or, um, yeah.
Human beings connecting.
I mean, I'm curious what thedefinition is, but community is,
is ideal.
And that's what I'm trying tocreate with my business man is a
community of people who all havea common goal, right?
The common goal is to transformtheir fitness, transform their
life, and that community.

(44:25):
everyone enhances each other,enhances the message you're
looking up

Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

community.

there's two definitions and, and the
first one, which I was notgetting at, is a group of people
living in the same place orhaving our, a particular
characteristic in common.

Microphone (Sca (44:43):
characteristic, uh, interesting character.

Number two, a feeling of fellowship
with others as a result ofsharing common attitudes,
interests, and goals.

one.

No.
Yes.
Well defined.
Do you feel like you have astrong community

commute in Austin or in general?

In Austin?
In Austin?
I've, yeah.
Yeah.
I've, I've, I've built a decentcommunity.
Um, I joined this networkinggroup, which was amazing.
It's called Tribe.
Everyone Wants should check itout.
Tribe Not mdi, not well mdi.
I was, yeah, that's a differentone.
But, uh, that's a good communitytoo.
I'm, I'm not a part of itcurrently, but What's Tribe Is
Good.
Tribe is, um, is a coolnetworking, uh, group by this

(45:25):
guy named Arlin Moore.
And it connects mostly guys fromall over the world.
And there was like six guys inAustin, so we all connected and
uh, and then we all, we all hangout.
Um, but yeah, ever since cominghere, man, I meet people at the
gym.
I meet people, uh, my clientsare my community, um, going out,
just meeting random people andstuff like that.

(45:46):
Um, so I think I've, I've builta, built a good community, but
my goal with my business is to.
Like my, my dream is to create amovement and community of men
who wanted better their fitness.
And that's, that's what I'msuper passionate about.

you see yourself becoming friends
with your clients

Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Dude, I'm, I can't help it.
Nah, I can't help it.
I'm friends with all my clientsexcept one

clients.

now.
I'm kidding.

I'm kidding.

It's like, nah, I'm friends with all
of my clients.
Cuz think about it like, we seeeach other three times a week.
Yep.
So it's you're gonna get close.
It's impossible for me not toget close to the human being
that I'm working on theirfitness, you
it's well, personal trainers are
almost like therapists in a wayanyways.
I mean, once you get a fewsessions and people are starting
to vent to you about whatevermade them upset that day.
Exactly.
They're talking about anythingand everything.

(46:35):
There's something about workingout with people that, you know.
Yeah.

Yeah.
It's primal.
It's, it's super primal.
And have you had a trainerbefore?

before?
No.
Okay.
But I was a personal trainerback in 2008 and nine, maybe
2007, and we were all eachother's friends, so all the
trainers lifted together.
We'd go out afterwards together.
So I did, I, I never formallypurchased, but I was working out
with people wiser, stronger thanI was.
Right.
So I got the same, I may havegot better because we were all

(47:08):
just sharing that knowledgefreely versus Sure.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I went through acouple year phases where I got,
where I had that,
phases.
What got you into star?
to work out?

so I didn't have a.

car
and a friend was giving me rides to
and from school, cuz I think Iwas driving the family van.
No, I don't know.

Were you 18,

I

years ago.
18, yeah.
And he,

on the way home one day, he said,
Hey, there's this new gymopening up in town.
Mm-hmm.
do you mind if we stop by andI'm gonna drop an application?
I said, sure.
So while we're inside the, thefucking, trailer, outside the
gym, because it's literallybeing built from the ground up,
the general manager came up tome and she was like, Hey, what
are you doing here?
And I said, I'm just waiting formy friend to apply for a job.
And she said, are you applyingfor a job?

(47:51):
And I said, no.
And she said, yeah, you are.
She

friend.
Oh wow.
There you go.
Confident.

Ended up getting a job.
I interviewed on the spot, got ajob the next day.
They said, you're hired, youstart in a week.
all right, cool.
I guess
start what?
Like at trainer or like a child

In their childcare.
Childcare.
Taking care of the

kids dude.
What's with you?
And kids.
I'm sorry.

I, I, I, Hey man, I did great.
Kids like

me.
I'm do, I can, I can see thatKids would like

I I went to my buddy's ranch for
Thanksgiving last year and hehas, so his mom's like top dog?
Yeah.
And then she had 11 kids.
She had nine kids and adoptedtwo.
Wow.
And of those 11,
a

lot of them are married with kids.

A

And then of some of those, some are
married with kids.

What?

So in that fourth generation,
there's this kid, oh my God, Ihate that.
I can't remember his name.
Fuck
it Isaac or

No, I think it started with.

an a Abraham, but
we were friends within hours of me
showing up.
He had never met me.
Yeah.
I had never met him.
And this kid was joined my hipfor

hip Oh really?

36 hours that I was there.
So kids gravitate towards me.
I don't know why.
Cuz I, I hate them.

Jesus, dude.
Do you have, you have a greatenergy, bro.
That's why,

I guess so.
The kids like

it.

But, to answer your question, I'm now
working in this gym 40 hours aweek and I, I hadn't, I had
played soccer and basketballgrow growing up.
Never had been on a freewayfloor, never had touched a
dumbbell, a barbell.
I didn't know A cable machinefrom a cardio machine.
Sure.
And one of my buddies that alsoworked there named Ed, he was
like, you know, we shouldprobably start working out since

(49:28):
we work in a gym.
Right.
I was like, yeah, ed.
That's, that's a good point.
It's natural.

There.
There you

you go, ed, wherever you are.
Good.
Good move.

Thank you Ed
Thank

Ed.
I think he's dead.
Ed.
I, Is he actually dead?
Dude, Ed's like listening tothis like I'm right here.
No, I, I hope he's good.
I, I, I, he Ed's a good guy andhe got me into working out,
which is funny.
I hadn't thought about that fromthat perspective before, but
yeah.
Thank you, ed.

hadn't thought of that.
Yeah, dude.
So he got you into working out.
What, what made you fall in lovewith it?
Cause obviously you've beendoing it for a long time.

I like everything about it.
I like thinking while I'm there.
It's my think time.
Mm-hmm.
if I'm working out with someone,I really like the fellowship in
the community.
Yes.
Yes.
I feel good afterwards.
I feel good during, I like howit makes me look Yes.
In the beginning, me and mybuddy Tim, I forget where we got
the obsession, but we were, thiswas pre-Instagram and even

(50:27):
YouTube I think.
Wow.
So, you know where we would goto get our workouts?
No.

do you mean?
Oh, you mean the workout plans?
Like ideas?
So this was before the internet?

Yep.
Yep.
The, the library.
Yeah.
Really sorta of,
We'd go to Borders, that bookstore
that closed during the recessionof 2008.

Yeah.
I

go to Borders and we would bring in
Notepad with us, cuz we were, wedidn't wanna buy any of their
books.
Sure.
We weren't, you know, and wewould just flip.
We'd be in there for threehours.
I love that.
And we would just be writingdown chess workouts and leg
workouts and even a couplesentences about like how to do
it if we weren't gonna rememberthe name.
And then we'd go do it all atthe gym.

great bro.
I love
later we'd go back again.
Read some more books.

You were getting in trouble like a
librarian and being

librarian.
They

didn't
didn't care.
They didn't care.
I think they just were happythat bodies were

were, there were people, there were
people in the buildings like,like, oh, this is great.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

what about you?
Was it, was it post drinkingthat you got obsessed with it?
Or when did you fall in lovewith the gym?

the I definitely got obsessed with
it.
I mean, like, the stopping ofthe drinking was directly
correlated to my fitnessjourney.
And what, what I'm doing now isbecause of that.
And that's why I always use thewords transmute and use your
pain and all this, thismotivating stuff is because that
is the secret.
The secret is, you know, andlife, there's energy can't be

(51:48):
created or destroyed, right?
So if you're angry, you can keepbeing angry.
That's totally fine.
It's your choice in life whereyou can use that anger and
create something incredible.
And you don't have to feelguilty about the anger or other
stuff.
You can use that and, and, andbuild your body.
So, um, when I, when I gotsober, I had all these emotions
that were going on, like lowself-esteem, a lot of anger

(52:10):
towards myself, a lot of likeself-loathing and stuff like
that.
And went to the gym and just gotobsessed.
that's just how I am.
If I start doing something thatI really enjoy, I'm like, I'll
be obsessed with it.
I guess that's where theaddiction sort of stuff comes
too.
and once I started seeingresults, I was hooked.
I was like, I dude, this is it.
and it started changing my life,bro.

(52:31):
Like, got more confident, moreenergy, looked better, felt
better.
And I didn't wanna drinkanymore, dude.
I was like, this is, this isamazing.
I'm, I wasn't gonna aa I wasjust like transforming my life
through fitness and that's mywhole.
Shtick now is I want to helppeople do that for themselves
because I see people notmotivated in the gym, and I want

(52:53):
to take them through a processof Hey, you can create this
amazing, healthy lifestyle.
You don't need to be stuck witha trainer for years and years
and years, because you can havethat internal drive to work out.
And so now it's just like alifestyle that I have cuz I
agree with you so much, man.
it's a time to think.
It's a, it's, I love building mybody.
There's definitely some like I,I like the Greeks, you know, so

(53:17):
I like the statue ask to behonest.
That's part of the reason, Ilove, I'm trying to get to like,
my ultimate form,

like the statue of David

the statue of David without the
small penis.
But yes, I'm Jewish, but, youknow, come on man.
So that's, you know, that's partof the motivation as well is,
but I, I fucking, I love thegym, bro.
I don't know, I wouldn't besober today if it

motivation.
Do you, do you find that you getyour best ideas in the gym as
well, or?
No,

in the gym?

like with me, I, I literally have my,
keep my phone unlocked and opento the note section.

Wow really, dude,
I'm writing down either ideas for
work, for the podcast, how tofind new guests, what type of
guests I want to have on.
Yeah.
What to do at work the next day.
We, in my job, we do a lot ofwriting.
So I even

recruiting?
Yep.
Yeah,

we do a ton of writing.
Yeah.
So sometimes I'll get some of mybest writing ideas in the gym,
so I'll write down those promptsreal quick.
Really.
But if you ever see me at thegym, like it probably looks like
I'm distracted and not payingattention to my workout.
Mm-hmm.
when really I'm doing twothings.
I'm in between sets and resting,and I'm writing down whatever
idea I got during my last set.

idea.
So you're so in a, in aspiritual sense, what's
happening is you're, you'regetting downloads.
Yeah.
That's how I look at it.
You're getting

getting download.
I would look at it like

You'll look at it too.
Yeah.
That, yeah.
Like you're getting downloadsfrom the ether or something.
Cuz your, your consciousness isjust open.
Yeah.
During that time.
That's awesome.
But no, I don't feel I don'tfeel like that at all.
You don't?
No.
Do like,

the most creative aspect of your
life right now?

Putting together your business client's
workouts?
Maybe?
My client's workouts isdefinitely cr a creative, it's
an art form, but like right nowit's building the business,
creating the, the best possibleonline program for people.
So when

when you're working out, you're never
like, middle of a workout and Ijust got the best idea for my
next Instagram post.
This is exactly what

you

gonna say, how I'm gonna film it, what
music I'm gonna play.
I do.
So there you go.
You're getting downloads too.

I'm, I gain downloads too, but I, I,
I, I definitely that's rare.
I would say, I get video ideasand stuff, but it's mostly I go
there and I tr I try to meditatethe entire time.
So I'm not on my phone.
I mean, I'm listening to music.
I listen to like intense hardstyle music.
I don't know if you ever listento hard style.
I was like,

(55:35):
What are you listening to?
Name a couple bands.

to?
Well, it's uh, it's calledTevez.
Never.
It's not, never.
I'll send you it, dude.
Is it Jewish Yeah.
It's a Jewish, it's a Jewishbeat.
Jewish rock.
Jewish.
It's a rock.
Just a bunch of complaining.
It's like my knee hurts, my baghurts.
Fuck.

(55:57):
Go work out.
That's

said Jewish rock, the first thing I
thought of was like, stone.
that went I know.
Like Jesus Christ.

Yeah.

Oh,

Rock.

Jewish

say it one more time.
What style of music is

music?
It's called Hard Style.
Hard style.
Hard style.
It's like really intense music.
But see, my whole thing going togym is like go there and I, I
meditate in between sets.
I can put my hands out like thisand I meditate and I'm out on my
phone and I'm just strictly withmyself.
And, then I go do another set.
And, sometimes ideas come, butfor the most part it's just like

(56:34):
full on meditation.
I kind of look at it as an artform too.
It's like my body just movingand raking down and I try to
feel every fiber of my bodybreaking down, if that makes
sense.
Yeah.
Like, I, I enjoy that.
enjoy.
Where, where do you come up withthe words for your Instagram
posts?
Are those just on the fly?

(56:54):
You

what do you mean?
Like the caption or the,

in your.
Almost all of your postsrecently, you're talking in the
video.

Mm.

So are you doing that at home?
Is in the morning, at night?
Do you record like 10 of them atonce and then you release'em
once a day?
what's your, when you're comingup with those motivational
messages, what kind of headspace are you in?
That kind of thing.

up?
It's always at night.

Always at night.
Why

Why?
So my brain is, and I'm, I thinkthis is really important for
people, to be, to, to get a jobor a lifestyle that, that is be
best for them.
Like some people are night owlsand I think you should get like
a fucking trucking job orsomething.
Some people are like morningpeople.
And I think you should get,you're a normal person.
So I think you should get nineto five

Starbucks job

Sorry, I got a Starbucks become a
barista.
but for me, like in the morning,I'm just not creative.
I'm not a morning person at all,dude.
Never been.
And then when I'm at, at night,all the ideas, flood, flood,
flood, flood, flood, flood.
I'm very creative at night.
I don't have to try.
I would've film videos at night.
I would record at night.
It just comes.
So it's that night, probablylike a couple hours before bed

(58:05):
or

probably.
All right.
Here's what I want you to do,

Okay?
okay?
I want you, you can take 10seconds to think tops.
Once I give you your prompt,let's

do it because
it is nighttime.
All right?
And you're gonna look right intothe camera,

camera, okay?

And you're gonna give a 20 to 32nd
motivational whatever is on yourhead tonight.

I love it, bro.
Let me just take a sip of my,uh,

Take a sip.

Waterloo Sparkling water.

a deep breath.

Check it out.

it out.
Yeah, we got Waterloo.
We got LaCroix.
I got Jelly Belly.

You got Jelly Belly.
Dude,

I'll get you that one.
Next.
one.
Okay.
Wait, like the,

I got some organic brand, like I
didn't know you can make LaCroixorganic

but Sure, dude, they always say that
bullshit.
like organic water.

so here's why I bought it.
I wanted a, any guest that cameover, I thought would I improve
Here's how low my self-esteemis.
I wanted to impress them throughmy variety of sparkling waters.
So I was like, I better have anorganic one in the mix.
Yeah,
it works in

some tree hugger comes over, you
know?
no, I'm kidding.
I, I love trees.
but I was going, I was walkingthrough the store like what
makes a LaCroix organic versusYeah, like it's water.

There's just no, you know, there's no,
uh, non-organic substances in

And you know what's interesting?
Yeah.
There's sugar in it

in LaCroix
in the organic.
No one really?
So zero sugar?

zero.
Cause this isn't organic.

not organic.

It's naturally a flavor though.
And go get it.
Let's see, dude.

though.

Hmm.
Hmm.
Well that's cuz that's a fruit drink.
Dude.
That's not water.
It's a little juice.
Oh.
Cause it's tall.
I've never seen

I have tall LaCroix too.
You fuck

Do you really?
Let's see this guy, this guyover here, he has override.
This guy has a whole supermarkethere.
Tall.
That's a Pellegrino,

Microphone (Scarlett 6i6 US (01:00:10):
but it's just water.

Microphone (Scarlett 6i6 (01:00:12):
Right?
But I thought you were gonnabring us all La Croix.
Doesn't matter.
I do.
Well, I thought that's whatyou're gonna get.
Dude.
Dude, why do you have so many?
You, you do have so many brands,man.
He's going out on his porch.
Why is that?
Why is that on your porch, dude?

(01:00:33):
Because that's where my storageis, Oh really?
That's so, that's so random.
That's so tall.

Microphone (Scarlett 6i6 USB (01:00:37):
Oh wow.
You're right.
Okay.
LaCroix tall.
You're right.
So, um,

Microphone (Scarlett 6i6 U (01:00:45):
what are

are you laughing at?
Well, I, what, what were wetalking about?

We were talking about organic water

Yeah.
versus, versus some non-organicwater Right.
And you're saying that there wassugar in it?

it.
Yeah.
10 grams.

one.
This one.
This one.
Cuz it says organics sparklingpassion fruit strawberry, like

Microphone (Scarlett (01:01:12):
nationally

Microphone (Scarlett 6 (01:01:13):
flavored beverage.
Yeah.
Dude, this is This is a juicedrink,

But look at the very first
ingredient.

Carbonated water

So it's not juice.
Drink water.

dude.
I mean, like I don't even know,man.
But, uh, this looks really goodthough.
Well, then you can have it.

have you sure.
Yeah.
Thanks man.

Microphone (Scarlett 6i6 USB) (01:01:34):
I have eight.
I

you have more
You saw, look at the table.
I'm sure you're fine.
Dude, I'm drinking like a lotof, lot of liquids here.
I have my decaf coffee and youknow, got this water, dude.
Is this like your strategy toget your guest to piss or
something?
I

just, I'm being a good host.
being a great host.
You're being a great host.

You're being a, okay.

the cocaine.
the couple.
Motivate the people.

What's the, what's the prompt?
There's no prompt.
Oh, I thought you were gonnagimme a prompt.
That's the prompt.

The sun's down.
All right.
There you go.
Man.
The sun's down.
How'd your day go?
Are you gonna get another day?
Who knows?
But the only thing that you cancontrol is you.
So what the fuck are you waitingfor, man?
What, what are you, you'rewaiting for an outside source to
change your life.

(01:02:22):
Do you realize the power thatyou have?
Not in here, but in here, manamin your heart.
You know that heart hastransformed countries that heart
has conquered countries.
That heart was the same heartthat the Spartans had when they
defended

their,

their city state, knowing that they
were going to die.
So my message to you tonight,man, is that that is, Passed
down in your fucking dna.
Use that to transform your life.
Use that to go to the gym.
Use that to quit alcohol.
Use that to save your family,because I'm telling you man, we
have one life.

(01:03:00):
Why spend it not being your bestself?
You're gonna die one day andyou're gonna regret, which is
probably the worst fuckingfeeling that you can ever have
in your life.
You're gonna regret if you don'tgo all the way.
So whatever you're dealing with,my message to you is to overcome
that, not just for yourself, butfor your future family, your

(01:03:22):
future wife, your futurehusband, future partner, and
also your community.
And I carry this coin.
There's for my, my stoics outthere.
It's called, I know MementoMori.
You ever see that?
Mm-hmm.
I carry that coin with me.
Actually, it's, I owe it to RyanHolliday, the Daily Stoic.
He does the same thing.

(01:03:42):
This is not my idea.
This is his.
But bro, yeah, reading that isincredible.
If you wanna read it,

It says, uh, on the front, memento
Mori, and then on the back, youcould leave life right now That,
that determine what you do.
And say, and think,

and

like this coin.
Where'd you get it?

you get it?
Amazon.
I should have been like a monk.
Like in, did you

host one?

You can have it, brother.
No, no, no, no.
You can keep that one.
I'll order another one.
Nope.
Hey, hey, hey.
I'm gonna find one.
Hey, hey, hey.
I want you to have it.
You might go drink tonight.
If you don't have that,

I want you to have it then.
No, you keep it.
No, I'm serious.
I want you to have it.
You're welcome.
Thank you.
I'll get another one.

guys.
I got, I got a Memento Moricoin.

But only caveat though, is you have
to carry it within your pocketevery day.
So you take your wallet, takeyour keys, you take your phone.
I want you to take

Where do you keep your wallet?

In my pocket.

Which pocket?

I don't like.
Think about it.

You don't?
No.

I usually don't bring my wallet
with me.
Actually, I don't bring mywallet anymore.

But if you do that thing's big,
where do you put it?
Side, pocket or back.
That's

what she said.

she said.
You hope so.

right?
Um, I don't know.
Definitely not back pocket.

Why not back?
you would sit down and it hurt.

down.
I just learned this whiledriving to Texas.

Did you, you put it in your back
pocket and you're like,

always put in my back pocket.
Really?
Up until I was 34 years old.

No way.

And then I was listening to a
podcast as I was driving outhere.
Yeah.
And they were making this bigstink about, you know, if you
have a lump on one side of yourpants, Uhhuh, and you're sitting
on that, that's gonna make youuneven.
Sure.
And I'm, and they're like, andyou're gonna have back problems.
And you know what?
I have Spencer.
You have back problems.
I have back problems.

There you go.
It's cuz the wallet,

Now the wallet goes on the left
pocket.

Cell

and keys go in the right pocket
front.

Well, your memento mo needs to go.
Where are you gonna put it?
Left or right?
In my boxers.
In your boxers.
Next to my penis.

right.
Next to my

Dick Perfect.
Dude.
It's all yours,

Let's hope that's hoping it helps.

don't, don't give it back to me.

I won't.
You're never getting that

back, It's all you.
Dude

my pants are not

are not I'm gonna try this juice.
What about you, man?
You wanna give a littlemotivational speech?

give, I wanna see what you think this
choose

It's

not worth what?
It's not worth the calories.

I mean, it's only money.

It is the most expensive one on the
shelf.

I would say.
It's not worth the sugar.

No.
If I'm gonna have sugar, youknow what I'm gonna have?

jelly beans.
Nope.
York.
Really?
Dude, that's, you're

cereal killer.
I have like one or two a day.
You're a cereal killer.
Why?
That's just weird that I

I like mints.
Yeah.

That's weird.
Dude.
why

Why is that weird?

I mean, who likes York?
Dude?
I fucking love those

Microphone (Scarlett 6i (01:06:46):
Really?
It's

and I'm not the only one.
There's a reason Hgb sells themin bulk.

dude.
It's just like, what do you likeabout it?
Like you like the,

it's like after dinner or a meal, you
know?
I always have a LaCroix with ameal.
I can't drink normal water.
I gotta have, cuz I like thebubbles.
Sure.
And I like the, the carbonation.
I like to belch.
I think it's hilarious.
I have multiple videos of mejust belching.
when you're with, was was that like
an only fans
fan?

I didn't,
I should start

There's a market for everything,

was funny though because I was at
the gym the other day and
no,

I was doing glute bridges and then
there's a lady three machinesdown and one over on a fly
machine.

You
And in between sets,

I just,

so like subconsciously I just like
blah and then I, I'm not reallythinking about it.
And then I look up and this ladyis staring at me, giving me the
stink eye that she's never hearda man belt

before.

Like, why are you glaring at me?
Why are you so mad that I
know.
You could tell that she was likepissed.

She was staring

learing at you.

She's 90 years old and just staring
because I blah

How many times did he do it?
Or just like,

so I don't know too much.
And here's what I noticed,

dude, that's so funny.

I live alone

alone.

and a friend came and stayed with me
for a week in February and hemade me so self-conscious of

my burping

cuz he would comment on it every
time I did it.
Or he would do a fake one.
right?
So I'd belch and then he'd belike, blah.
And I'm like, why did you dothat?
And he's like, because you did
it.
Can you give one right now,dude, let's hear it.
No, I need a drink.

Let's, let's drink too.
Strength.
Yeah.

try.
You

to eat this York dude?

Alright, anyways, so back to the York.

Yeah, let's hear that.
That belch bro You're like aViking.

So you Hey Milo said that the other
day

said Milo.

Milo.
I had this kid at the gym,

I think I know him.
Dude.

red hair, B cave location.
No.
Oh no.

stocky considering his age.

No, I don't go to Stocky.
I don't go to Bee Cave.

Good.
We don't want you there.

you there,

It was mean.
I was so mean for for

reason.
No reason, dude.
reason.
You just gave me a coin.

I gave you a gift, dude.
And you're like, we don't want

the fuck outta here.

here being a racist dude.
Only Viking's here.
You

ain't got no beard.
You child.

We don't want your kind here.
You're
an 18 year old with a 30 year old's
arms Let's
go baby.

It's like a weird insult and
compliment all at the same
same time.
Yeah, dude, you're like ex likemy emotions are like a
rollercoaster right now.

so you eat your meal, you down it
with the LaCroix, you let out anice big belch, uhhuh, and then
you get your york from thefreezer.
It can't be room temperature.

You sound 35.

It's exactly three bites.
It's not one, it's not two, it'snot five,

me, see you.
Eat it, dude.
Let's see.
You eat the York.

see.
Not right now.

Okay.
Okay.
Up.
See you, man.
I don't, I don't wanna make youuncomfortable.
You don't eat.
Why don't you just eat the wholething, dude.
It's like such
like, it's so big,

So big.
Dude, you're acting in likereally?
35 right now.

now.
Did you just say hiccup?

How am I acting?
35?
I, because it, see, how is thisbig?
It's a quarter, bro.

I just

feel like, I don't know, I just feel
like it's

gotta eat it in thirds.
You
Eight in thirds, dude.
Yeah.
Whatever works, man.
I respect it.

It's my routine.

I love it, dude.
I love it.

love it.
Okay, well I'm working on thisbelch.
Okay, I have a two-part questionfor you.

Okay.

Do you take pre-workout?

Yeah.
Which one?
Currently?

Um, you know what's interesting,
bro?
I, I'll just say this is, um, Itried getting it off
pre-workout.
I've been taking it for like twoyears straight, to be honest
with you.
HUZZAH You say HUZZAH Yeah.
HUZZAH HUHUZZAH HUZZAH The king.

is dead,

I feel like that would be like a
thing, So, uh, I tried gettingoff it, man.
And just, how was that York, bythe way?
Was that good?
It

so yummy.
There

you go.
I could tell, dude, I could tellfrom your face, you know, like,
so you're just like listening tome and you're so satisfied,

I was enjoying what you were
saying,

Sure.
I know

what you said.
I have no idea what you've beensaying since that rapper opened
up The fat boy inside of me

is so happy right now I, can see
that.
I can see that.

I just satisfied him.

Oh my God, bro.
That's so

I gave him a treat.

The monster He's like,

Satisfy

the monster for now.
Just one.
Just one.
Yeah.
He's like, more's

if I ate two.
Who eats two York mints and asitting?
Oh my
my God, dude,

God.
Fucking Vikings.

you're so funny, dude.
Um, so

you, you, you were, I can't.

I did He's got York on the mind
man.
York.
Peppermint Patty makes youautistic.

Oh my god.

can't even talk

I'm crying over here.

It's the York
Keep talking about

things.
All right.
All right.
I'll, I'll take it.
I'll, I'll, I'll take the reins.
Um, so I used to, uh, take alot.
Well, I, I tried quitting.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Yes.
Is I tried quitting pre-workoutand it was, it was, it was too
difficult.

quitting.
What did that look like?
Cold Turkey, half scoop,

Turkey and just coffee, organic coffee
man.
And.

organic coffee

or like, yeah, organic, like black
coffee and, uh, yeah, justdidn't, uh, it wasn't, it wasn't
good.
So I can, I can safely say I'maddicted to pre-workout right
now.
Which, which happens.

What do you think about teenagers
that take pre-workout?
It's unnecessary.
Why you shouldn't.
I mean, you shouldn't have totake pre-workout unless you have
to.
And if you're a beginner, it's
when do you have to

well, when you're addicted,

When

you're addicted, you have to, but like,
dude, I wish I never tookpre-workout.
I wish I never took Adderall.
I wish I never drank.
Cuz it's like, once you startdoing these things, it's very
difficult to stop because it'saddicting having an amazing
workout.
I'm just like going like this,going hard.
It's lateral raises, Okay,You're

doing some romble.
It's like some reverse flies.
What?
What are you guys doing at thatDowntown Gold's Gym?
going like this
this?
We're going like
this?
We're going like this with theband.
I don't know.
Um, but like, I can't, I can'tgo back to just not taking it,
man.
So right now I, I, I trieddifferent ones.
Right now I'm taking beyond Lit.

(01:13:48):
heard that?
ones.
I think the kids at my gym aretaking it.
How many milligrams in a

per serving so good question.
Like two 50.

Okay.
Normal

is, which is normal.
But that's a lot, bro.
Two 50 is a lot.
And you have some that are likethree 90.
Or four 20, like 400

None of them are four 20

20.

Could you, be

I was gonna say.
Yeah, like it was like there.
Boom.
Right my Dude.
Thanks so much.
I had to aim towards the

the mic.

fans on, I can't, I, you know.

Damn, dude, I got that right here.
I appreciate that.
You made eye contact too.
You made eye contact.
You're like, I'm like, is thislike a, is this you trying to
like get along with me?
Dude, you

literally asked for it.

You were like, I

to

like 10 minutes ago.

Well, it takes time.
You can't just do
these things.
Spontaneous.
Oh my God.
Okay,
Dude,

we are children.
It's good.
It is good.
Okay.
There is a kid, who is, I forgetthe name of it, but Yeah.
One of the guys at my gym wastelling me, um, he's, he took
one, he only took it once, 400milligrams.
And he had two scoops.

scoop.
So 800 milligrams.
Yeah.
It's way too much.
That's, that's crazy.
18 years old.
Crazy.
It's fucked up,

you know.
And when I was 18, like when Istarted working out, yeah.
Even if me and Ed didn't make itinto the gym until 10 at night,
I never felt like I needed that.
I always had energy.
Right.
I was ready to go.
I didn't drink coffee until Iwas in college.
Good.
Never drink coffee.
Now I drink it seven days aweek.

week.
How much, how much coffee do youdrink?
One cup.
Really?

And today is, I had this,
technically this doesn't countcuz it's decaf, but there's
still a little bit in there.
Right.
But I have one cup and then Istop.
And when, when do you have your one
cup?

cup?
First thing in the morning.

So do you know what Andrew
Huberman?

Andrew?
Nope.

I'm a I'll,

know who?
Andrew Huber.
Oh, is you?
Yes.

Okay.
I don't know, man.

was being

sarcastic.
Oh, okay.
Gotcha.
Because he has

I know, I know Drew

You know Drew personally,

I probably don't know whatever
you're about to reference, but Iknow of him.

You know of him.

I know of

him.
Um, my friend actually met himhere.
Does he live in

think he lives in Austin.
Dude.
He went to, what was it called?
I think a squash fitness dude.

Qua.
It's called Squash Fit.
It's called Squash Fitness.
Dude.

Squash.
Squash.
Uh, it's not, probably notsquash.
That's like Rick and Morty, but

rick squash

I think it's squa Squash.
Squash.
That be cool.
a squash fitness like

squash

only big people could go there.
Ross.
He might get squashed.
It's like people die.

So, all right.
So Huberman goes to

to

whatever the gym

Squash.
Yeah.
Here.
Here.
And he, uh, yeah.
Well, no, one of my friends methim, but that was a.
Basically what I was gonna sayis, uh, what he says is, you,
you should wait 90 minutes afterwaking up to have your coffee.
Well, what do you think of that?

I disagree.

He disagree with Andrew Huberman,
dude.

Oh, there it is.
Squat, frontier Fitness andGove.
Oh.
Looks like a bunch ofCrossFitters.

CrossFit

good.

I don't blame you, bro.
Dude, I'm a, I'm

not my speed

speed tell you you're a bodybuilder.
You would say

No, I just lift weights.
Um, what was I gonna say?
the nine.
So 90 minutes.
So he says 90 minutes.
You

Thank you.
Thank you.
I don't agree.
Um, cuz then I'm awake already.
I don't need it at that point.

point.
So, so, so what do you take itanyway then

to wake up?
I get out, here's what I doevery morning religiously.

hear your, your whole, your whole
morning routine.
It's pretty quick.

Okay.
6:00 AM the alarm goes off.

6:00 AM

I chug this.

When do you go to bed these days?

So the podcast has been keeping me
up until about one in themorning.

morning.
Really?
Yep.
Because you're editing orsomething?
Or just recording.
Do
editing.
Recording.
we were having technical issueslike the camera, so emailing
the, the contacts I have fromthe software I'm using to report
the problem.
apple Podcast was giving us somegrief getting published on
there.
So there was one night I wastrying to fi it's a new problem
every.

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The thing that I don't mindabout it is A, I've thoroughly
enjoyed problem solving andevery night I, when I accomplish
something, like when it finallywent live on Apple podcasts,
yeah.
I felt really good.
I was like, sweet.
That's, that's one we're onething closer to being ready to
publish on April 1st.
Good for you.
So I enjoy the process.
but that being said, Idefinitely am more tired than I

(01:18:44):
have been over the last coupleweeks because I typically would
go to bed between 10 and 11,probably fall asleep within 30
minutes of hitting the mattress.
Sure.
Whereas these days I'm gettingto bed between one and two
pretty consistently.

to Wow.
And then waking up at six,

get up at six.
So I get up at six.
Brutal.
I'd chug, I'd chug a waterbottle.
Yep.
I go and piss, I pour a cup ofcoffee.
I get the dog out of his crate,Uhhuh, I get the computer,
Uhhuh, we get back in bed withthe computer, the dog and the
coffee.
Really?
And the first hour of my day isworking on the podcast and
drinking that coffee.

Good for you man.
Then we leave the cell phone

phone home

and me and the dog with only keys in
a bag.
We go for a 30 to 35 minutewalk.
No technology.
I love it.
Just us in nature.

nature.
Beautiful.

Get back home, make a smoothie with
protein, powder, athleticgreens, almond butter, almond
milk, vitamin D, some fruit,some ice.
Blend that up.
Fire up the work computer.
Perfect.
And get the day started.

Perfect.
Nice.
I.

it.
Fuck that.
Andrew Huberman,

So if I did what you said, Hey,
you're calling it dude, he has abig podcast, bro.
He'll come after you.

That's fine.
I'd be honored.

I'd be honored.
He knocked at your door.
You know how many listeners I would
get
You would get a lot.
Remember

Everyone would want to know what we're
talking about.

Come here, Andrew.

on.
Drew.

Come on, drew.

No, he's very smart.
I, the little bit, I've listenedto him.
Anything he says, I'm sure it'sprobably accurate, but for me
it's like a tradition.
You wake up and you get to startwith that hot cup of coffee.
It's a little chilly outside.
Sure.
You feel it in your belly.

Sure.

you're editing your podcast.
Yeah.
Your dog's licking your toes.

you know?
Right.

I got tongue on my toes and coffee
in my mouth.

tongue on your toes and cough in your
mouth to do the only fans, bro.
Actually, I will.

All right.
Morning routine.
What's it look?
Do you have a morning routine?

routine?
Yeah, I do.
I mean,

mean, What?
Nothing.
I was thinking about that belch.

Oh, the belt The direct hit.

There's a

hit.
I was like, ah, Well, bro, Ijust wanna say man, uh, you
know, based, you know, uh,tangent from the belch is, I
think it's great that you spendyour morning doing that.
Like you're, you're standing uplate and you're in the morning
doing this as well.
again, that's why you're gonnabe big, bro, is because you're,
you're, you're working your assoff on this.

(01:21:13):
So I think that's awesome.
My morning routine is I wake up,I don't touch my fucking phone.
I can't if I touch my phone,because one of the first things
that you get your dopamine with,in the morning, so if you wake
up and look at your phone,floods all your dopamine because
you're looking at all thenotifications that you got, then
your whole day, or at least thisis per I can talk personally.

(01:21:35):
My whole day is I'm looking atmy Thank you

Well,

I was almost, are you sent to I
would I would've ended this,bro.

and I know I'm not and I'm not ready
yet.
We're only through, we're onlythrough question number six and
I have 35
Are you serious here?
We 35.
all of them.

good for you, dude.
This guy, this guy.
You created 35 questions.
yeah, I'm honored.

actually, we went over more than six
because we're sort of bouncingaround.
All right, so you don't checkyour phone.

So yeah, the first

you wait before you go on.
What time do you go to bed?

So this is, this is, this is what's
tough right now, bro, is I'm anight person.
I, it's hard for me to go to bedearly.
It's hard for me to wake upearly.
Um, so I go to bed right now atlike 11, 12 and wake up at
seven.

like, so you're getting almost eight
hours of sleep every night.

I try.
Do you

asleep right away?

I do, I do.
Recently I do

what's the 30 minutes before you go to
bed look like?

So I always watch like, honestly
like a show on Netflix just toturn my brain off.
Mm-hmm.
And it's also like a littletreat that I give myself.
I'm like, all right.
Like a York mint.
Like a york mint.
Exactly.

Exactly.

But I'm not weird about it, you know
what I mean?
So I so I watch a Netflix show,it's like something stupid.
Like for example, I'm watchingLove Is Blind right now,

is boring
So I like stuff like

like that.
It's very, uh,

do you watch that?

that?
Not the current season, but Iwas gonna say it's very, um,

trying

shut my brain off esque.
It's not, it's not complicated.
There's not a lot of thinking.
It's very entertaining.
It's entertaining.
Yeah.
But it is important to be like,I'm mindful of it cuz if I'm
about to go to sleep, one of theworst things that you can do is
listen to like a reality show,because reality TV is some of
the lowest energy that you canpossibly expose yourself to.

(01:23:32):
It's just so much bullshit.
It's just drama and bullshit andit's totally not good for you.
So I know that.
So what I do is I watch like 30minutes of it, and then, and
this is ideal.
I don't do this every night tobe honest with you.
I turn off Netflix and then turnoff the phone.
I, I, I meditate, I journal andjust go into bed.

(01:23:52):
And then I have an affirmationtrack that I listen to when I
feel myself getting sleepy.
I listen to the affirmationtrack because it gets in my
subconscious mind you

a timer on for it?
So it just shuts offautomatically.

it's a 22 minute affirmation track,
so it goes off after 22 minutesI'm gonna fall asleep.

whatever,

like, whatever comes to mind about the
day.
Any insights I have.
A lot of it is just to get thethoughts on paper.
Cuz otherwise, like it might bein my head, I'm trying to think
about it.
Um, so bad journaling though,

the first, are you writing a
sentence?

sentence?
Sometimes I'm writing justcouple pages, four sentences.
Not, not a couple.
I'm bad with like journaling.
Do you

you use any kind of prompts or do
you just go

or I just go, I write one sentence
at top like, today was a goodday or just so I remember it.
Or, today was terrible.
The one on David's podcast.
Terrible.

I can tell from all the laughing.

right?
There you go.
That you're doing in New York?
Yeah.
It's terrible.
Uh,

Do you want me to get you one?

Sure.

You want a York?

Yeah, as long as you have it with me,
bro.
Let's have her second one.
I already have mine.
Have your second one, bro.
Mm-hmm.
Come on man.
I can't break.
Good for you.
And you, you put in the freezer?
Yeah.
See what all the hype is

I'm not crazy.
I don't need a room temperature.

need him.
Then I'll tell you.
All right then I'll tell you.
Uh oh.
He wants one bro.

you want a treat?
You want a treat?

Dude, your dog is like the best.
His energy is so on point.
Hmm.

Did you have that all in one bite?
No.
You didn't have three bikes?
No, I have my, uh,
Can you sit, sit.

bro.
You could tell he meditates orsome shit.
Like his, his vibe is reallygood.
He's very calm.
He's very calm.
Is he a rescue?
He's great.
Yep.

Really?
I could tell.
See, I could tell his eyes.

Uh, what about him?

Like, they're just very kind, like you
can tell like a rescues dog.
Like he appreciates you a lot.

you know what makes me feel awful
when I have to discipline him?
You know what he does?
After I spank him,

feel What Doess he do

he puts his, he puts his paws on my
chest, he climbs up onto mychest and he puts his head in my
beard.

his head no way.
Dude.
Are you serious?
his way of like saying, sorry.
I'm sorry, daddy.
way of rescue.
I'm sorry

that I shit on the

the power forward.

While you were out partying It was St.
Patty's Day.

Day.
He actually did that.

I took him for an hour long walk
and he didn't shit.

really

I took him for an an hour Spencer.

And how, how, when does he usually
shut?
Twice
day in the morning, in the evening.

morning.
Okay.

And I typically don't go out at
night, but it was St.
Patty's dad, a friend who's in aband.
He invited me out.
I wanted to support him.
Good

a bank for you?

for you.
And he wasn't going on stageuntil 11.
Um, turned out 1230 Uh, whichwas fine.
It was worth it.
It was worth the wait.
Yeah.
But I get home at one 30 and Ijust wanted to crash, you know?
I'm so tired.
Sure.
I I walk through the front doorand I smell it
you knew right
and I think No problem.

(01:27:10):
I'll get a bag, I'll get thecarpet cleaner.
I'm looking around for it, andhe looks like he walked over the
power strip where all of this isplugged into and put one leg on
either side of it.
And he shot

really?

On top of the power strip.

strip.
Like out, like a, like he wasgetting birth.

I was furious

fu really

because I had to unplug every single
thing and take bleach wipes andlike cleaning out the little
prongs that go in the holes.
Oh

my God.
Dude, it's so crazy.
He, he, he chose that spot.
So I spanked them and then he went
off to his cray.

You're such a, that's so Christian of
you.
I feel like

Spare the rod.

What does that mean?

Don't spare the rod.

the rod.
Don't spare the rod.
I don't know what that means.

It means if you don't discipline
your kids, they'll grow up to belittle heathens.

Wow.
Christian Ya's.
Interesting

Microphone (Scarle (01:28:08):
interesting.
You beat your children, right?
Right.
then he goes into his crate.
I'm done cleaning up the shit

shit

I get in bed, I forgot to close
his crate door.
So then he comes walking intothe room, jumps up on my chest
and lays down next to me.
It's like two 15 in the morning.
At this point.
I'm like, you know what?
I'm not even gonna put him inbed.
I'm just gonna let him stay hereto make up for spanking'em.
So he got to sleep in my bed onSt.
Patty's Day.

Beautiful, bro.
Beautiful

Thanks.
Yeah.
Do you have a pet?

Uh, I have one at home.
But you know what's crazy, man?
Is I had a, in New York.
In New York.
In New York, which isinteresting.
I still call that home.
I don't even mean to do that.
But I had a, a rescue dog namedMacy when I was growing up and
she was the best, bro.
I'm telling you.
Rescue dogs are the best.
And what she would do issomething similar is she would
jump on on me, put her paws off,like, like actually gimme a

(01:29:04):
hunk.
Put her head like right here,
Aw.

like a little human.

He sits on my lap every night.

Does he?

We'll get in that recliner.
Turn on Netflix just like you

Just Yeah.

Put that bitch up.

There you go.
The lazy boy between

my legs.
I throw blanket over'em.
Yeah.
And then he starts snoring.

starts Really?
That's so cute.
Dude.

perfect way to look at.
Look at this guy, man.
Look how he just stares at me.

loves you bro.

It's really annoying.
How?
See what he's doing right now.
He loves you.
He does that all day.
Really?
I'll be sitting here trying tofocus and he'll be sitting right
there

I was staring it It's a good stare

for an hour.
For an hour.
Really?
I'm like, dude, don't you have
something better to be doingwith your time right now?

Dude, I kind of want him

You can take him.
Really?
Yeah.

Okay, so I'll give you the coin.
Coin for the dog.
Yeah.
I don't even like this.
Yeah, he's, he just loves you

I think his head is
disproportional to his body.
I think he's a little overweight
to be honest.

What?

That's a personal tr dude, I told you
right when I got in here, I'mlike, he's a little large.
I didn't want to offend you thatclearly.
I
saying like a large dog, not like you
were fat shaming him.
Oh

no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say I was
fat shaming your dog, dude.

your, why

do you think

he's
he's overweight?
What do I think he's overweight?
Yeah.
Uh,

If you just say some shit like, cuz
he is,

No, I'm not gonna
how do you talk to your trainers as
a trainer or to your train?
How do you talk to your

client?
He's like, what?
So what I would say is I have tosee it.
Uh, what kind of dog is he?

we don't know

You don't know.
So I'll have to see like anormal picture of what, what a
normal version this dog looks.
I think eight

dogs, eight different breeds all
hooked up.

Oh, they all had an orgy.
So

four babies
were

had and then those four babies all
hooked up.
Well like two.
Two,

incest

and then they had babies.
Then those babies met and had adog, right?
And Thad was born

born.
He's a product of, uh, of insets

because I really think he's Ridgeback,
pit Bull, Chihuahua, MinPin,Dachsund.
I see all of this in him.

I can see that

his colors, his mannerisms, uh, his.

weight,

How he herds other dogs at the dog
park.
One guy who's a, uh, uh, a, acow herding dog trainer, he was
like, yeah, he definitely hassome herder in'em.
Right?
I was like, how do you knowthat?
And he's like, cuz he is hurtingthe dogs.
Oh,

there you go.
There you go.
Yeah.
Great.

It's like, sir, who are you?

Who are
are you?
It's like, I'm an expert
the dog whisperer.

It's like,

I actually want to have a dog
expert on the show, but I don'tknow what to call them.

Sure.
You don't know what to callthem?

I, because I don't want like a vet.
I want someone who I can askquestions about what he thinks
about

about.
Um,

a dog

Dog psychologist.
A dog psychologist?
Yeah.
Okay.
Someone who specializes in, indog thinking

Microphone (Scarlet (01:32:13):
specializes right?
Who is that

Goo dude?
I don't know.
Google it.
Be like, person who specializedude is Austin, Texas.
You're gonna find somebodyfucking does that.
For real.

I had a guy on who wants me to
find someone.
He wants to come back and hewants me to get a third mic,
which I will do.
And he wants me to find someonethat can interpret dreams.

that Yes.
Yes dude.
I know people, I know people.

you know dream interpreters.

I mean, not officially, but I know
like people who are so into itwho have calls every week where
they interpret dreams.
What do you think of dreams?
Do you think.

dreams?
I don't give them much weight.
I, if, I think it's interesting,I'll journal about it.
The, uh, first thing in themorning because I wanna try to
remember it.
Right.
And you can't, your braindisposes that file.
Yeah.
So if you don't write it down,it's gone.
Yep.
At least for most people.
Yep.
Um, I love my dreams, but Idon't think anything about them
that's really, yeah.

Yeah.

only ones that bother me is, it's
actually funny, the night of thepodcast where we, we were
talking about dreams.
We probably talked about it fora good 20 or 30 minutes.
Like it took up a bulk of the,the episode.
and that night I had a dream Iwas gonna die.
I didn't like it very much.

much.
Walk me through that dude.
So you had a dream that you weregonna die.
that.
I don't remember a lot ofspecifics because I
intentionally didn't write itdown, but I remember waking up
four in the morning, didn'twanna go back to bed, so I just
got up and got my day started

like Cause I

didn't wanna have it again.
That

got up and got my day started after
dreaming that I was gonna die

die.

She's
gonna die soon.
May as well get some stuff done.
What,

what's your, I mean, I give you a
memento of Mori coin.
What's your thoughts on death?

on death?

Yeah.
Well, we talked about this already.
What

Did we talk about, what do you mean?
We talked about this

about, we talked about, oh, is that off
camera?
Maybe when we were talking aboutheaven or Hell and I was in the
parking lot and,

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I feel like that's not,like, what do you think happens?
So you think that we go toheaven or Hell?

I think that there's probably
something after.

Like a heaven or like, or just in
general?
sort of paradise, some sort of,
some

I, I don't think we start over
again.
You know how some people willsay oh, in a past life, maybe I
was a lawyer because they didsomething lawyer esque.
I don't think we're just reborninto earth.

we're just, can I tell you what I
think?

I, I was going to Yes, please.

so, I think this is, this is what I
know.
I know
Can I pee real quick?

real quick?
Sure.

Don't forget.

All right.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Keep, uh, I'll keep theaudience.
Are you pausing it or just?
Nope.
All right.
See, I know.
Any jokes?
Um, I don't, no jokes, but, uh,yeah, I do wanna be a standup

(01:35:15):
comedian though, so I have to, Ihave to create some jokes for
that probably.
I think, I think the main thingis to have like, characters that
I can do, you know, so like,there's like a, like an Italian
guy, so I could do like anItalian guy.
He's like, Hey, hey, how youdoing?
You know, something like that.

(01:35:35):
Hey, how you doing?
You from around here?
Like, stuff like that.
I wanna do like knock, knockjokes or anything.

(01:35:59):
All right.
All right.
What happens when I die?
Well,
was just gonna say, dude, I think
that, um, this is what I know.
What I know is that, so we'relooking at each other right now,
right?
Mm-hmm.
what I know is that, and this iswhy I'll just say it,
say

I believe, and I know that we are
the same, right?
So there's an energy, there's asoul in, in everyone's bodies.
Mm-hmm.
So it's essentially God, orwhatever you call it, I mean, or
energy or, or source.
There's a source in everyone'sbody.
So we are the same, but we'reexperiencing different lives,

(01:36:37):
different bodies, completelydifferent separate experiences,
but at the core of it is thesame.
So your relationship withyourself is the most important
thing, right?
Because if you hate yourself,you're gonna hate me for no
reason.
If you're angry with yourself,you're gonna be angry at me for
no reason.
Why do you think that is?
It's because it's all,everything's a reflection of

(01:36:58):
you.
Mm-hmm.
So if you look at like your dna,and just like your body is
literally all the years ofuniverse.
And in one form, like, however,the longest it's been like 44
billion.
So if you want something inlife, like you want love, you
don't say, oh, I have to go getlove or go get success.

(01:37:19):
You have to be like,

get it.
You have to give it.

Exactly.
And why do you think that is?
You don't know.
Okay.
Bec I, I wanted you to justlike,

no, I, I'm,

like swing at it.
I want I want you to swing at itthough.

Why do you, um, because if
you can spend your

whole life waiting for it, what if
you, what if you're just alwayswaiting?

for, interesting.
Okay.
So you're looking at it as likea materialistic sort of sense?

No, I'm looking at it in the sense
of if I want, if I want to, if Iwant to get something, I'm not
willing to give it,

something,

I'm never gonna get it.

get.
Why?

Because why?
If I, let's go with the exampleof love.

Sure.

I'm not a loving person,

person,

would anyone love me?
I mean, some people might, ifthey feel obligated to mom,

have talked

about earlier.
Yeah.
Maybe a sibling, maybe a closefriend.
Sure.
Maybe someone who genuinelycares about me.
But the people as a whole aregonna see, if I'm not capable of
giving love, it's probably towhat you were saying, cuz you
either hate yourself, you'redepressed, you're anxious,
you're stressed, you're lonely,whatever it is.

(01:38:33):
Yeah.
And so people aren't gonnagravitate that and be like, oh,
I want to love this.
Really

to love this.
Right.
You know, definitely.

So, um, I think that if I want
kindness, the best way to findit is to give it out.

find people, a hundred percent.
I
want love, the best way to find it is
to give it

Absolutely.

I want people to forgive me, the
best way to find that is to beforgiving of others if they
offend me

people.
Yes.
So I I

that with every trait that I would
want to receive back.

everything.
Yeah.

Yeah.
And you have to give it without,um, you have to give it without
expecting in return.
No kidding.
If I show love to 10 people, Ican't expect 10 people to love
me back

because then it's not truly love.
Right.

truly true.
It's not truly love.
And it also won't happen becausenot everyone's gonna
reciprocate.

gonna, right.

There is one of, there's this guy at
the gym and, he was doing likefive plates on a back machine
and keeping good form

that sounds crazy.

keeping going at a good pace.
He wasn't rushing it, he wasn'tjerking his body

And they're gonna say he

know, like, you know, he, he
well, I thought you were gonna say
jerking off.

off.
He wasn't jerking off his five
one.
H

his little give and take, you know?
out of every hole.
Oh,

what a fucking sight.

That'd be crazy, dude.

I don't even know what I would do.
I would film it.
I would just be

like this guy in the gym,

and so I, I went up and I, I
complimented and I was like,dude, that is, you did a great,
great job, great set, veryimpressive, whatever.
We had a five minuteconversation about back
workouts, technique, shookhands, exchanged names, parted
ways.
I finished my workout, went tothe locker room, did my 20
minutes on the sauna.
On my way out I saw him.

(01:40:20):
I thought, I'll walk over.
I'll say goodbye.
Ask him what he's doing with hisweekend, cuz it's a Friday,
right?
And he got very weirded out bythat.
Really?
I could tell like it the look onhis face.
Yeah.
And almost, I don't know.
he got weirded out by it.
So I was like, you're weekendcuz it's Friday.
What are you doing with it?

Maybe you thought you were hitting on
him or something?

I think so, yeah.
So, only reason I bring that upis to say that from my
perspective, I was, I'm new toAustin, I don't have any
friends, not in a lonely way.
I literally moved to a city 1800miles away where I know

I'm your friend, bro.

Thank you.
I'm making friends for gettingthere.

You're, you're gonna make a lot of
friends,
you're, I appreciate that.
he didn't reciprocate, right?
So not everyone's going to, forone reason or another, whether
he thought I was hitting on him.
Maybe he was just having a badday.
Maybe he was in the middle ofhis head about his workout.
I interrupted his workout and itjust threw him off.
You know, who knows?
So that's why I, that is why Isay, if you want love, kindness,

(01:41:14):
forgiveness, whatever it is, youhave to realize not everyone's
gonna return it because theymight not be in that same head
space that you are.

reach.
Agreed.
I totally agree with you.
Yeah.
And that's the, the beauty ofthat though, is that like, you
going up to him, like that's atrue expression.

expression,

or whatever you call it.
Like you're just trying toconnect with him and it's just
if he doesn't reciprocate thatback, that's okay.
Mm-hmm.
because you tried doing that.
Like you ever read the fouragreements?

Don't make assumptions.
There you go.
Don't make assumptions, but Iwas gonna say, don't take
anything personally.
Right, right.
Because it's, that's, that'swhatever's going on with him.
Yeah.
That's nothing to do with you.

nothing.
Exactly.
What were you gonna say though,before you made me take a swing
of it?

take money?
Oh yeah.

do you have to give?

get, be?
Because there's no separationbetween you and the universe.
So if you want something fromthe universe like love, you
can't be like, I'm gonna go getit.
Or let's say like money, right?
You can't be like, I'm gonna goget money.
Like, that's a very, and I'msure that works, but that's a
very masculine way of doing it.
Instead of what you can do iswhat is the thing about money is

(01:42:23):
value exchange.
I'm gonna give value and I getmoney from it.
Or love is

is.

I think about love.
I feel love.
You know what that's going todo?
It's going to attract lovebecause you are the universe.

Because

know this is deep as fuck, bud, you,
right?
Yep.

I'm trying to find a quote for you
that has to do with this.

for, so that's what I believe and I
know it, man.
I mean, I've taken psychedelicsand I'm telling you, man, it's,
it's.
It's a thing.

We'll get back to your psychedelics in
a second.
There's this quote I heard, Idon't think this is, I'm trying
to figure out where it's frombecause I wanted to quote the
source.
It might be someone named, no,it's not Joe Biden.
I'm not, did you just say JoeBiden?
No,

Joe Byron.
not about to quote the president.
As we're talking about why youneed to give love in order to
get love You ever heard thequote?
It might be by a guy namedJoseph Camp.
Regardless, it goes, all thegods, all the heavens are within
you.
You ever heard that one?

you.
I haven't, but I agree.

agree.
It's, but this one I think iswrong.
I thought it was all the gods,all the heavens, all the angels,
all the demons are within you.
I thought it expanded on it alittle bit.
Um, why do you agree with that?

with that?
I think it's, I know it's, Iknow it to be true.
I know it to be true, man.
Like self love is the mosthealing thing that you can do,
and that's what I try to do withclients is like, so many people
are so hard themselves, and it'sso important to release trauma
and release emotion, whetherit's through psychedelics, plant
medicine or meditation or breathwork or working out.

(01:44:09):
It's like you need to, like,there's a masculine feminine,
and the feminine is like lettinggo of all that bullshit and
accepting yourself.
Another word for a surrender,right?
Just surrender to your life, toyour experience.
You don't have to.
You ever listen

Chris Williamson?
He's, he sounds fam Yeah, I do.
Modern wisdom.
Yes.
He's great, bro.

One of his episodes he was talking
about in life we try to fightthings.
You try to fight the pain ofyour workout, you try to fight
that your coach told you to doone more.
You try to fight, that you'retrying to make 20 minutes in the
sauna.
and he is embracing a newmindset where you just
surrendered everything.

What if you just, it's the feminine
to

to the fact that I have to do 20
minutes in the sauna?
There are no if ands or buts andstuff fighting it.
I'm just gonna sue it.
I've been thinking about thatone a lot lately cuz I, I, I
looked at the word surrender.
I, I don't know if you do thatvery often, but I know what
words mean, but I'm like, Hmm,well we did it earlier with what
do we look up Community.

community.

Sometimes I wanna see what the literal
definition is.

for sure.
It's good.
but I'm trying to embrace that
concept.
When I'm going through asituation I don't like, how do I
just surrender to it?
It's not always easy to do.

comment you ever read The Power of Now?

Nope.

That's a great book that, that you
should list.
That's

a great book that I should listen
to.

well, I listened to a lot of audio
books, but, or read it.
But, and I'll, I'll get it foryou, brother.
It's, it's an amazing book byEckhart Tole where you surrender
to the present moment.
So everything's just your prethe present moment, right?
Mm-hmm.
And that book changed my life.
Like it's one of my top threebooks, four Agreements, power of
Now.
How to win friends and influencepeople.

(01:45:55):
All tho all those were really
Dale, Carnegie.

of course, man.
Yeah, of course you read it man.
You're a podcast host.
Makes sense.
but yeah, dude, that, thesurrender is I can't do anything
about this.
I think surrender has to do withacceptance.
I accept what is going on nowand I'm okay with what happens.
However, it's a dynamic betweenthat and the masculine of I'm of

(01:46:21):
what?
That motivational, like whatthat motivational thing that was
a masculine thing to do, whichhas this place like you have to
change your life.
David Goggins is masculine,right?
You have to do this, you have todo that.
And that's great.
But also that feminine of dude,you have to give yourself a
break.
Surrender to the process oflosing weight snap.
That is gonna be difficult, butdon't give yourself too much

(01:46:46):
leeway.
It's a dance.
And that's why if I had toidentify with something like
Daoism, I don't know howfamiliar you are with Daoism,
like yin and Yang Daoism

you did a post about that?

I did.
I'd skipped that.
You creeper
I started watching the first few
seconds and I was like, I'm notgonna get a question from this

one.
Oh, really?

Sorry.
you had a lot of posts.
I, I had, you have to pick and.

choose.

When I was going, when I was getting
ready for he's interview.
Yeah.
She had like over a thousandposts.

Yeah.
But it's all in Afghani.
which made it even harder.

So how, yeah.
How'd you.

you interpreted that?
So I dropped it into Google.

Nice.
And Google

it was French

which

is not Right.
but she, it was a lot oflistening to our videos, but
also just interpreting theimages.
Sure.
Our pictures are, are worth athousand words.

She just posted.
She's great.
I mean, she just postedsomething where she was like
being emotional and then Jimlike crying and then Jim, I saw
that.
Yeah.
Good.
And she's killing it.
She has 20

90

kids.
She, she, she shouted me out onetime.
Thank you.
And I got 50 followers.
time.

They're all like Afghani.

I really, dude.
I like it.
That's so funny.
I got

50 follow, like 50 followers.
She

you out to 90,000 people.

50 followers.
Yep.

Maybe it, was it a while ago?
Was it recently?

Because it was a while ago.
A couple months ago.

ago.
Okay.
Because the 90,000 I think shesaid was like in the last 30
days.
last 50.
Yeah, bro.
Dude, there's

a very specific post she made of
her parents dancing and I guessthat the way they were dancing
is not.
it's like in Moroccan culture,you would never be seen dancing
like

and that blew

lot.
But they were smiling and theywere having fun and they didn't
care and they were so happy.
Yeah.
And people were just like soenergized that just another
Moroccan reposted it.
Who reposted it and it justwent, it literally went viral.

how you get it.
You, you get a post that goesviral.
Yeah.
Good for her, man.
She's at 90.
That's that's what you gotta do,dude.

dude.
It'll happen one day,

day.
It's gonna, yeah.

it'll happen.
Cup give it a few months, giveit a couple episodes.

part of the whole manifestation thing
too, man, is like really?
You, you have the power tochoose your life.
So choose like, yeah, I chooseto have a, a popular podcast.
Boom.
It's gonna take time.
But

I remember a couple weeks ago I
was attending a virtualconference about something
podcast related, but the veryend of it, um, one of the
questions in the q and a thatthey asked the host was, if you
could go back and tell youryounger podcasting self
something Yeah.
What would it be?
a good question.

And her response was along the lines
of, it would've been to tellmyself and to know and believe
that I am just as worthy tointerview anyone that comes as
my podcast, as much as anyoneelse is worthy to interview that
person too.
I really liked it.
it.
Great.

cool.
That's a good mindset to go
Yeah.
Dude.
You like, do you feel worthy?
I do.
That's good.
Yeah.
It's cuz you have the variety ofLaCroixs.

LaCroix.
It's the variety of
LaCroix.

I think too, there's a sense of,
um, there's a sense of feeling.
I'm not half-assing it, youknow, I, I feel ready.
You're doing your, like, I'vehad a couple people who show up
and they're like, oh yeah, like,you're actually, like, you got
mics and you

legit lights and

whatever the fuck these are.
And you know, I'm, it's not likeyou walked in.
What would your reaction havebeen if you walked in tonight?
And when I said we're gonnastart recording, I got out my
phone, I put it on the middle ofthe table and I hit record.

hit it.
It just, it wouldn't be as

Microphone (Scarl (01:50:31):
professional.

I mean, I, I mean, I told you in
the beginning, I'm like, dude,I'm kind of nervous, right?
Mm-hmm.
because this is like, this isprofessional.
I think that's part, that waspart of the reason.
So if you had the phone, I'd belike, this is

of like, who is this guy

like

Why am I over in his home with all
his kids' toys?

this is sword.
What

is going on?
As York
as my dog is shitting on the

electrical reports, you're just like,

Jesus

as your dog is
he

like legs spread, just like making
eye contact.
Wow.

He, he, dude, sometimes he does that
and I, I tell him, you're not, Itell him out loud, I talk to
him.
I'm like, you're not allowed tomake eye contact when you're
yawning and shitting.

yawn.
It's weird to

yawning, to look right at you and be
like, The dude, it's

like burping bros.

but you asked for it.
Not like an intimate thing, dude.
I did not ask to be You made meuncomfortable, bro.
The next time, see
old lady at the gym, I'm gonna walk
right up to her, give you a footfrom her and just let it blast.

let's like, Hey, toots Heys.
Hey Toots I got

got toys.

I got, I got a question for you.
Then she's like, what?

like

America bitch.
She be like, oh my Lord.

she probably die.
She's like 90 years old

She'd be like my heaven when

she hears me say, America, bitch.

America.
Bitch.
I mean, dude, she was around inWorld War

ii.
Oh my God.
Right?
What?
Oh yeah.

She's just 10 years old.
Let's see if it's 2023.
So 60, 83.
Yeah, potentially.
Yeah, like 10.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.

Um,
one question I wanted to ask you is,
I think a lot of people, a lotof people, maybe all of us, I
would include myself in this.
Would like to change our habits,whether it's drinking.
My current one is I have thisfree fucking online virtual
trainer through work, um,specifically for my low back

(01:52:50):
pain.
And it's supposed to be a 20minute workout every day, and I
haven't been doing it.
And my excuses, I have afull-time job, I have a podcast.
I go to the gym for two hours.
Like it's, it's, and, and him,he takes, where'd he
Yo, he walked away.
Oh, I'm
Oh, Um, this guy go shadow shit on
your course, dude.

we all have habits, right?
Even you, you probably, youmight have something in your
life you're trying to changeright now, whether it's going to
bed earlier to stop drinking ishuge, I think, to stop anything
smoking, drugs.
if I wanted to stopprocrastinate, maybe you, you
stop watching TV to get to thegym.

(01:53:30):
So you, in your last three yearshave completely revamped your
life.
what does the beginning of thatprocess look like?
You want to drastically changeyour life.
How do you, how do you do that?
What's the, what's the beginningprocess look

Lemme try to break it down in steps.
So I would say number one is youhave to get super clear with

one, what

you're stopping.
Number one say, I'm gonna stopthis or I'm gonna start doing
this.
Number two is understand why youwant to do it.
I think the why is so importantwith these things because.
Yeah, you can always changecertain things, but at the end
of the day, like we don't, as asociety use our emotions as much
as we should.

(01:54:13):
So get clear as to what you wantto change.
Get clear as to why, and thenmake a decision.
Number two.
So tho that's a separate step.
Get clear why, and then make adecision.
Now a decision is broken down inLatin.
I used to take Latin for fouryears.
I fucking loved it, dude.
So good Roman history, all thatstuff.

(01:54:34):
And decision is broken down intotwo words like day and then
Sierra day or something.
Obviously I'm saying that wrong,but it literally means to cut
off.
So when you make a decision onlife, you have to cut off every
fucking option.
this is a decision I make.
I'm not going back no matterwhat.
Yet you're gonna have thoughtsin your head.
You're gonna have differentimpulses to do it, but you made

(01:54:54):
a decision, bro.
You can't, like you literally,you can't go back.
Number three, I would say, iscontinue to sh shift your
identity with it.
So you're clear.
You made a decision and now youhave to be like, I am a person
who like no matter what does thelower back workout, or I'm a
person who, no matter whatdoesn't drink like that really

(01:55:17):
helped me is I looked at myhighest self and I'm like,
helped me?

version of me does not drink.
And I knew that.
I knew that.
So do I wanna be this highestversion or do I, do I wanna be a
bullshit version?
Beta beta.
Or this guy, I wanna be afucking this guy.
So I made that decision.
And then I would say, numberfour is, create some sort of
system.
Create some, because at the endof the day, it's daily systems

(01:55:44):
that are gonna help you sustainthat habit over time.
So let's say for example, one ofyour habits you wanna do is to
work out a good daily systemcould be you put your workout
close every day by your door,make it super easy for you.
and that way it, it's easier tosustain the habit.
And Atomic Habits is a really,really good book that Yes, if

(01:56:05):
you check that out,

Yes, I've read it.

I mean, that's basically what
allow what this is.
The only caveat I would say withAtomic Habits is emotion.
Like with the, with thedrinking.
This is what I help withclients, is like, you need to
get angry.
And this is, I would say this issimilar to Tony Robbins, you
know, Tony Robbins?
Mm-hmm.
this is what he does.
You have to get angry and make adecision.

(01:56:27):
That's where our power lies.
oh, I make a decision like this.
it's such a fucking, it'scutting you off from like your
life, which is your heart andyour, your soul and your energy.
So no man, get emotional

emotional.

I'm gonna stop drinking because this
is gonna fuck up my life, bro.
are you serious?
look yourself in the eye and belike, this can't happen anymore.
And then that emotion is, afucking big bang for everything
else.
um,
And the last thing I would say is
accountability.
say is

Right?
So having your trainer for thelower back stuff texting you,
dude, like why didn't you showup today?
That's obviously another form.
That's what helps with clientsthat I work with they know we
have a session.
I have to go.
Obviously that's gonna make iteasier to, to work out.

obviously, he does that to me too.

He does.
He texts you and stuff.
Yeah.

It's really annoying.

Do you think it's annoying No.

And you know what happens is I
usually get workouts in the day.
He texts me.

so

It's a weird, he texted me this
morning, fuck, I don't want texthim back until I do one.
So I did it on my lunch break.

break.
Oh, good for you bro.
You know what you should do,dude,

tell me what I should do.
this is, this is a good way.
I'm gonna stop texting you.
sex.
You, you should, I don't know if I
pro Nah, I don't know if Ishould say it's like
inappropriate.
Say, say, say all.
Okay.
What you should do is like,whenever he texts you, dude,
just send him a dick
dick

He'll stop texting you right away.

What if he likes it?
Then you're fucked.

Maybe he's gay.
Maybe he likes dick

That'll be, dude, that'd be kind of
funny if he just startedsending, I'd have to google
picture

of a vagina.

like a,

try this,
try this out for size.

size.
Huh?
He's pansexual.
He's still sending me Dr.
Emoti

emoji.
He's pansexual,

send him a picture of some feet.

He

Gotta find somebody.
If he likes to do

There's

be something that turns the sky off
that dad licking his butt hole.

What
nice little eight second clip.

Perfect.

But

that answer your question?

Yeah.
What if the trainer though, whatif he just pretended like he was
being turned on by everything?
Cuz he knew what I was doing.
He knew I was trying to get ridof him, and he was like, oh two
can play this game.
Send me anything.
Yeah.
Then he,

Then I then that

got a great trainer

that Yes, that's what I was just
gonna say.

com He's

that's the best trainer ever where I'm
so committed to this, thisclient.
Yeah.
That you can send me a pictureof.
Literally any body

You can sexually harass me and I'll
still work with you.

slow.
Yes.
Wow.

It's like, listen, man, like before
we get started, I wanna let youknow, you know, you could
sexually harass me.

All right.
There's one question that Icouldn't ask.
I can't let you leave withoutasking.
Time is flying by my friend

friend

and one of your posts.
You said that the first year ofsobriety was your most
challenging year.
Do you remember why?
Because I would almost think,and, and I'm, I'm making a huge
assumption.
The reason I'm asking thisquestion is I would think Oh, I
haven't drank in 10 days.
20 days.
While at the same time, you'resleeping better, you're feeling

(01:59:41):
better, while at the same timeyou're going to the gym while at
the same time your mom seesyou're sober and maybe you and
her are getting a relation, youlike your relationship is coming
back.
So from my ignorant perspective,when I read that post, I
thought, huh, that's weird.
I would've thought like this wasthe best year in his 26 years on
this planet.

(02:00:01):
But according to the post, itwas one of your hardest.
Why was that

Really good question, brother.
I appreciate that.
it was the hardest because whathappens is when I got sober, all
the stuff that I was drowningfrom, all the stuff that I was
using alcohol to avoid came tothe surface.

alcohol.
So

that first year was the most
self-development I've ever hadin my life.
You know, like feeling certainemotions, uh, facing my past,
facing traumas, releasingsadness, releasing anger, all
the things that I was avoidinggoing to parties and not feeling
just comfortable with my ownskin enough to talk to people.

(02:00:41):
That's why I was the hardestcause I had no escape.
I had no fucking escapewhatsoever.

escape.
What was the biggest epiphanyyou had about yourself during
that year?

I was fucked up.
That's probably one of thebiggest epiphanies.
But bro, like theself-development I had in the
past three years, like I feel,dude, it's.
It's incredible.
It really is.
Cuz I just I feel so, like I'mnot relying on anything.
Like I can go to a party andtalk to people.
I can, I am confident in myself.

(02:01:15):
I am like able to inspire andconnect with people and I don't
need alcohol.
That also, one of the biggestthings was dating.
I would literally, like alwayson a date I would drink and then
you know, maybe we would havesex or something, but like being
sober is I'm actually connectingwith this woman.
I'm respecting her.
And my first relationship soberwas like, I f honestly bro, I

(02:01:37):
felt like I was 16.
that ended six months ago or so.
But that relationship, like Ifelt love for her.
I respected her.
And I'm like, dude, I've neverexperienced that before.
Cause I was always drunk, dude.
Like in all relationships I wasfucked up doing stupid stuff.
So

It's funny you bring that up.
We had a, we, I always say we,and I think

dude, you have a team, you're a that

I'm thinking of bad.
Yeah.
My, my co-producer, we had a 15year old on the podcast killer
episode.
He crushed it and we weretalking about the fact that he
wanted to kiss this girl that hewas cuddling with and, uh, she
won it because he was drunk atthe time.
Mm.

(02:02:19):
Mm.
And I told him, I was like, you
should try to try to do thatagain.
Like try to recreate thatsituation sober, but do it
sober.
Yeah.
Because one, then she might letyou, but two, then you can just
do everything like naturally.
Yeah.
And you're, you're not relyingon any like a crutch of any
sort.
Definitely.
but I hope you listen man.

(02:02:39):
I hope he finds like thatcourage, cuz I think he did what
a lot of us do, which he waslooking for that liquid courage.
Mm-hmm.
and then it backfired on him.
Yeah.
Because she wouldn't let himnear her.

him.
She's a good, she's a good girl.

Yeah, I think so

Like the fact I

that she won it.
Yeah.
Since he was drunk.
I thought that was funny.
Yeah.
And, and intuitive of her.

intuitive and she's young.
That's good.
Yeah.

I mean she might not be young,
we're just

too.
She's 30 two's,

but maybe

she's 30.
Say, Hey, I know you're my mom'sfriend, but I'm 17.

or 17, whatever.
Her age suit, nothing illegal isbeing done.

met?
18.

18
18 or maybe seven.
Probably s 17.
Probably 18 at

probably 15 as well.
All right,

right, let's move on, dude.
All right, move on.
no, but, dude, I think that'sreally important because, a big
thing for dudes is like thatrejection sensitivity, which I,
I had to get over as well is yougo to, you need to drink to
approach a girl, right?
Otherwise, you're, you're scaredof what's going to happen.
And I know society's kind ofweird now, and like that can,
that can be more a fear.

(02:03:41):
But, having the ability toapproach like you find a girl,
be.
In the middle of the day, havinga courage as a dude to go up and
talk to her is really importantbecause a lot of people aren't
drunk during the day.
So it's you know, going up andtalking to her is important
because it's like, if you don'tfeel like the skill to do that,
like you don't feel good as aman.
And maybe I'm just talkingpersonally, but like developing

(02:04:03):
that skill and I still getnervous.
Like if there's a pretty girl,like I'll get butterflies.
But that's what's great aboutit's life.
It's good

Do you practice hitting on people?
It sounds funny, but I'm beingdead

dead.
do I practice on hitting onpeople?

if you saw a woman that

you I wouldn't word it as that, but
How else would you word it?

I approach women, if I find them
interesting, looking at

up.
So you practice hitting on

on people.
I, I guess, yeah,

There's nothing wrong with it.

Just like,
I'll say

say it like hitting on is such a,
like a fucking, like a ninetiesterm dude.

what term would you use?
you practice such a ninetiesterm I can be sort of old school
sometimes.
How would you say it?
Would you practice dropping aline on

it line.
Well, like the new, the drop it

drop
drop it line.

Hey
Hey Coach can I drop a line?

He's

the fuck is this guy?
How would you say it?

guy.
Well, dude, like, uh, the kidsnowadays say Riz, which I don't
really understand.
You never heard that before?

You practice Risen.

Risen, yeah.
I practice risen.

practice.
Is that how you would say it?

No.
Do I, again, I don't look at itlike that, but I guess you can
interpret it like that.
I, I practice like overcomingthe flinch.
So there's something that'scalled the Flinch, and it's a
book called The Flinch.
And that's the flinch.
there's somebody you wanna talkto, usually the opposite sex or
the same sex if you're, ifyou're homosexual, which is
totally fine.

(02:05:34):
So then there's the girl youwanna talk to, whatever, right?
So then we all experience thisas men.
It's oh, ah, but the mind's oh,but she's busy.
Or something like that.
And, it's important to just belike, no, couple deep breaths
and go for it.
And that could be with likewomen I find attractive on the
street.
It could be with, at anetworking event with a, someone
I want to talk to.
Mm-hmm.

(02:05:54):
It doesn't have to be with, withjust on the street, but it's
just that flinch.
I try to overcome every day.
And I do that with cold showers.
So I take a cold shower everymorning.
Mm-hmm.
the flinch you put the cold on,it's the same thing.
in, it's another muscle.

It's the flinch.
The

Script.
Great book.
The Riz, I, I don't, that's likewhat Gen Z calls.
I'm gonna ask the kids

that when I'm

at the, that the 15 because

during rush hour right after all the
high schoolers get out.

out.
Oh, perfect.
Me

and all the teens.
It's, it's actually, there'ssome really good dudes that go
there.
I'm a gay dude, I'm a intodudes.
Oh,
Are you really?
And I think Wow.

didn't, for me, I didn't know that at
all.
That's awesome.

I, I will, the weird reason I word
it like that is because I feellike there is significantly less
gay men than there are straightwomen.

gain.
Yeah.
And half 90% of the time when Isee someone attractive, they are
probably gonna be straight.

be

And I'm sorry, I've, I've always
been scared to approach guysbecause I never know

that makes sense.

sense.
But at some point I realized,one, I wanna meet someone
organically.
I don't wanna meet someonethrough Grindr, Tinder, Bumble,
or Spotify.
Or Spotify.

I guess you could

my FS mixed

stuff.
you.
Yeah.
You have friends in.

but I realized it's, it goes back to
what we were saying about love,kindness, forgiveness.
If I wanna meet someoneorganically, but I'm never
putting myself out there Yeah.
Then I, I'm never gonna meetwhoever this future Mr.
David is.
So whenever I told myself, Idon't know, two years ago, if I
find a guy attractive, I'm justgonna start hitting on him and
whatever happens,

It's good for you.
For sometimes it's not even

on him.
Um, we were at a restaurant acouple months ago, me and my
friend Sant, and there was a guythat we both found attractive
and she was like, he's gay, youshould hit on him.
And I said, absolutely not.
He's very, very straight.
And she's like, why do you thinkhe's straight?
And I said, because of the wayhe's dressed, because of his
tattoos, because of his hair,he's

Okay.

And she is like, no, his pants are
too tight.
It's the way he walks.
It's the look in his eyes, he'sgay.
Oh, wow.
So then our, the look in hiseye,
his eyes,
the looking at his eyes again,
supposed to look guy, he eyeball

penis, That would be pretty obvious,
Right.

Um, so our waitress came over I
asked her, I was like, Hey, doyou happen to know if homeboys
into guys or Dallas?
And she, she's like, I don'tknow, but I think he has a
girlfriend.
I heard him talking

I

like his bitch or something?

His Twits His twits.
Yeah.
He has a totz.
Twits.
Um,

my friend gets up to use the
bathroom.
We tell the waitress We're done.
You know, could you please bringthe check

a couple

minutes later?
Um, I'm looking down at my phoneand hand, not a, a woman's hand.
A man's hand puts the check downon the table.
I look up at his hand, I'm like,Ugh.

the flinch

Yeah, the flint, the flin.
Dude, you wanna talk to him?
And then

he said the last thing I expected
him to say, he is like, so youthink I'm gay?
There's
No way, dude.
And I was like, she told him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
She

threw us under the bus.
But it worked out great cuz thenI got to talk to him and I said,
no, actually me and my friend,we, she thinks that you're gay
and I think you're straight, buteither way we both find you
attractive.
So we were just very curious.
Guy got the biggest smile on hisface and he is like, nah, I
like, I like women and I'm alsoin a relationship right now.

(02:09:20):
But anyways, just wanted to comeover and find out like why did
you think I was gay?
And I was like, I didn't think,I was like, no particular
reason.
I was hoping you were becauseyou're very handsome.
He smiled.
Some big smile on his face, hewalked away.
It was a great interaction.
Beautiful.
Why do I bring this all up?
I think to say one, in order toget over the flinch, you
eventually just have to dosomething about it.

something.

I, that's why I look at it like
let's just call what it is.
I'm practicing hitting on peopleso that when I get to the person
that where I, they reciprocate.
Yeah.
I'm not a nervous wreck ofenergy,

but I'm confident.
Exactly.

I got out what I wanted to say and
say it how I meant.
And at the end of the day too,man, I think depending on how
you go about it, you can makesomeone's day like that guy.

can a hundred percent, it just
depends on
how you word it.
And you can't just go up andslap

their ass.
No.
Yeah.
can't do that.
No.
Like, dude, if you went into meand like, yo, dude, I think
you're an attractive guy.
Like, I would've respectfully belike, I'm not gay, but thank
you.
I think most nice guys would,would do that.
Like, no, unless a guy's likeuncomfortable with his sexuality
and might be gay, he'd be like,oh good.

(02:10:26):
Like be like, oh,

some guys are, a lot of
guys are so, and they're probably
uncomfortable, man.
Like I think you're exactlyright.
Speaking to everybody, alwaysgoing, approaching somebody.
If you're single, I think youshould always be talking to
people.
You should always be, you know,talking to whatever sex that you
find attractive.
A b r Always be what?
Always be raping

No,
No.

What was the term you said?
People are using
Riz.
Oh, always be r

always be risen.

You just make that up.

That sounds like something Jesus
would do.

Jesus always

I always be rising.
There you go.

Always be Riz.
But yeah, man, it's, it's, uh, Ithink you should absolutely do
that, dude.
Super important.
Because again, when

when
what

you said that so nineties to say
Hitting on.
Hitting

Hitting on, yeah.
hitting.
It's like, is she hitting on,that's

with a hard g

Hitting hidden, hitting on, yeah.
I feel like that's like anineties term dropping lines
drop off.

Sounds like cocaine,
risen.
Yeah.
Dropping lines.
I always think of fishing whenyou're saying that.
Drop

some lines?
Toots,

Hey Tots, you wanna drop some lines?
Let's

tuts.
I forgot that was a.

a word.
Dude, it's a great, it's a greatterm man.
1940s, 1950s.

Hey, tuts,

hey Totz.
You get a cute smile from aroundhere.
That's what you gotta do.
Hey

tots Hey Tots
Tuts dad.
You gonna start saying that tothe other dogs?
I think he's gay too.

Think that's gay.

He humps everything.

hums.
I think a lot of dogs are likebisexual.
Cause my ex's dog was the sameway.
So you think that like nature,like most people are like
bisexual.

Here's why I actually made that comment
that he's gay.

gay.
Is he hooked?
He has a boyfriend.

No, I adopted him and pretty quickly
after getting him, I took him tothe vet.
Seemed like a good idea.
Yeah.
And so they did the wholephysical and at one point she
got out the thermometer, is thatwhat you call it?
What's the thing?
You take temperatures with
the thing?
Thermometer?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I got out the thermometer.
She got out the thermometer

Oh, I know what you're gonna say you
put up on but hole.

yeah.
She was like, you typically dogshate list, so can you like
comfort'em and hug them and pet'em?
And I said, sure.
So I leaned down on the ground,I'm petting him on his head.
I'm like, it's, it's gonna beokay.
Thad, she takes thatthermometer.
She fucking stuck that thing inthere and his tail just went.

really, wow.

He loved it.

Might be gay.

So you know why I did.
On the way home

You brought him to like a, a gay
bar?
No, no, no.
I bought a bunch ofthermometers, and now
Now every night.

No I'm kidding.
Every night, every night

every night we take his temperature.
We take his temperature

Come here, dad.
Don't come here.
Stay.
Stay over there.

That's why he shuts all the time.

good.
He's prying dead.

He's shitting.

All right, Spencer.
This has been fun.

Yeah, man.
It's been, it's been fun.
I, dude, I, this is an honor andI hope to come back again and,
uh, you know, maybe we can workout before next one.
Are

we gonna do a part two

You good?
See a fucking part?
If the people want it, man,

man.

if the people want it,

don't care if the people want it.
We're doing a
gonna part two, we're doing a fucking
part two, man.
Six.
If people wanted

find you to, to potentially train
with you, where can they getahold of you?
What's the best way?

so you can find me, Instagram is
Spencer Dillon, s p e n c e r dy l a n.
you could do freedomfitness.com, which is F R I E D
O M fitness.com.
you can email me freedom fitnessgmail.com and yeah.

(02:14:13):
I'm open to answer any questionsas well if you just wanna ask
questions.

And you are taking both in-person
clients here in Austin, Texas,but also virtual clients as
well.
So essentially anywhere, right?

correct?
Mostly online clients.
The in-person is almost prettymuch tapped out, but if you're
interested, let me know.
Open book.
but if you're trying to changeyour life, you're trying to
change your fitness and thingsI've said tonight with the
masculine, feminine andtransforming your life has
resonated with you, then reachout to me.
We can chat, see how I can helpyou.

we'll have to have you back cuz Yeah,
we definitely have some morequestions.
I think you have a lot to say.
I really enjoyed talking withyou tonight, so Yeah.
You'll, you'll be

be back.
Cool.

with that being said, David, Saturday
night.
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(02:15:29):
David.
Woo, that was a good one.
That's a good one, man.
Spencer, thank you so much forshowing up tonight.
Thank you for being here.
Everyone have a great Saturdaynight.
Stay healthy, stay happy.
We will.
See you next Saturday foranother episode.
Bye.

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