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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You were listening to DC on screen.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
All right, Well, welcome into DC on screen. Good lord,
it's been a minute.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I got sick. I'm still a little sick, and uh
I'll be honest, I don't feel great. Yeah, so I'll
ask you, uh fine folks to bear with me. Oh
I'm David c. Robertson. By the way, it's Jason goss Hey,
and uh yeah, man, I'm not gonna I might sniff
a little bit, cough a bit. I don't know. I

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don't know. We're gonna get all that out.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
But I doubt it not over this whole period of time.
But it's been a couple of weeks, and there's some.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
There's a lot of news stuff happening. There's a lot
of news. It's getting a bit backed up. Gun's dropping
all these fucking interviews with people on YouTube out of
a bitch.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah yeah, just when you thought you might get out
of the media frenzy, He's like, nope, I got some
time at home.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Mm hmmmm hmm a little bit. So we're just gonna
dive in and this a little bit all over the place,
because now we're in a position that he has introduced spoilers.
By the way, if you haven't seen Peacemaker, he has
introduced this concept of salvation to the DCU, and salvation
is going to have far reaching implications for every damn thing.

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And uh it kind of just scatters the news a bit.
So we're gonna try and I want to start off
a Supergirl. This made me excited. The Supergirl writer and
A Nogura told Variety that she struggled to find the
right angle for the movie until she discovered Tom King's
Woman of Tomorrow comic quote. She watched Krypton completely be destroyed.

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I was always like, I can't get my head around this,
the version of the character that is so sunny, Nagura said,
But after diving into Kings rougher and grittier and edgier
and funnier, take everything fell into place. When I read it,
I was like, there she is, uh yeah, man, yeah, she's.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Right, and like I know what moment she I feel
like I know what page maybe she's going for, Like
you remember a spot in there where it says, you know,
she watched her race die for a third time. She
was fourteen years old, and it hit It's a through
line of it. She watched her race die she was
six or whatever, Like she watched her race die for

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the second time she was nine, she watched a race
diie for the third she was fourteen. It's a man
Kink's really good at that kind of shit, but at
ture as hell hits, it's it's hard to read her
and think you're gonna find like the bright and sunny
lady that we'd see on like the fuck even some
of the animated movies we watched.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, I I'm I kind of just like Supergirl all
over the place. But I do love the version of
her and Woman of Tomorrow as well, and I think
she might be my favorite version of Supergirl so far.
So I'm excited about this.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, we haven't known the song enough that, like, when
I say my favorite version, there's almost an implied right now,
the one that I'm very much hot on right now
is the same. Yeah, Tom Kings was fucking amazing. Yeah
he did the same thing, mister miracle. No one's going
to think about mis Miracle for the next five or
ten years without thinking about what he did there.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, you flavor it for a while, that's right. Look,
you know, I think when I got into comics, Supergirl
was not a thing except for this weird whatever Clone
Matrix thing, whatever it was in the Triangle era. I
can't remember what she was. She was some sort of

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she wasn't a Supergirl. She took all dude. She was
like fucking Lex Luthor and he was like Lex Luthor
in a clone, in a young clone body and calling
himself Lex Junior. And he had an Australian accent and
a big mane of red hair, and it was fucking weird.
And she was dressed up like a Supergirl that we
would know, but she wasn't really Supergirl. She was some

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sort of like formless being who was a shape shifter
who was part of something called the Matrix I don't know,
or created by something called the Matrix I don't remember.
But at the time they were real, real heavy on
the idea that Superman was the last Kryptonian.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Oh so they had to rent Conways to make her
not quite Cryptonian and all.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
That right, and she was Supergirl for a long time.
And look, it wasn't a bad it wasn't a bad take.
You know, Peter David did a fantastic run on her comic,
and you know, added spokes to the wheel that like
they wound up using for car as Ail when she
actually did, you know, show up in different places, including
the CW Supergirl show, so you know it was all

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it wasn't all for not But you know, I was
always kind of like, I don't I liked the cousin
angle though, and then we got that in Superman the
animated series, and that was my favorite Supergirl for a
long time. But yeah, I U I am a big
fan of the CW Supergirl though, I mean not really

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the show, but I liked her.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, I get that. I think I'm used to the
kind of like you know, quiet, like the quiet, cartoony
version that we were used to for the from the
animated series for a minute, but and you know the
funny part, it's not like this one. It's not like
his like his version just like fleshed it out more
than I'm used to. I've seen her fleshed up many times.
There's a lot of good stories about her. It's just
that he told such a fucking compelling story with her,

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and yeah, he went into a side of a personality
I don't think he's used all that often.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, it felt fresh, and I liked it a lot.
It was, but it was also there were elements of
her that I could pick out those same elements in
in the CW Supergirl, the Melissa a noist version of
her as well. So yeah, I'd liked the King version.
I think it did a good sort of an amalgamation

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while bringing something new, and I'm very excited to see
that in movie form. That is probably the thing that
I'm looking forward to most. Now.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
There's there's a scene that I think will get a
version of somewhere.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
You remember, like there's, uh, they do a lot of
traveling in that book. I mean, it really is just
a travel series. But like there's a scene kind of
like maybe at the first third ish point where it's, uh, Supergirl,
I forget who she's traveling with, and then Ruthie thank you,
And then in the middle there's just this big, borish,

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monstery piece of shit. It's just being incredibly rude, starts
getting super aggressive with Ruthie, starts smacking threats and stuff
completely out of nowhere. Men's really needed to mind his
business and he just he just was really absolutely choosing
some violence that day. There was no need for this.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Kind of behavior mm hm.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
But it's handled very quietly. Everyone's very quiet. It's the part,
the part that loves so much is uh, the it's
the it's the writing over it kind of the writing
of the voiceover that is going through the series where
she's describing, you know, the changes she sees and Supergirl
over the time.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
And like she describes it as like it wasn't you know,
it wasn't flashy, it wasn't big, but it was violent,
and like there's just the guys sitting there. He's being rude,
and then one instant later, less than a flash of
a night, he is suddenly quiet and his nose is broken.
He doesn't even know what exactly happened, but he knows
he needs to shut the fuck up because something in

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this room was bigger than him and wants him to
do that. It is so fucking cool man.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's great scene. I really I think we'll see like
a version of that where she just kind of like
quietly without even really popping off who she is, just
put somebody in their fucking place.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
M hm. I'm just so excited about the movie and
mamoas Lobo, and you know, I have seen some behind
the scenes footage, just kind of like little little snippets
of them, like from way far off shooting some kind
of action secrets with him. Couldn't even tell you what
it was except I know it was him and he
was doing something, and I was just.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Like, he didn't have to be doing much.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Man. Yeah, he the light Lobo.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, they're I mean, I know, Mama gets cast kind
of as himself a good.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Bit, sure, and I don't think he has much range,
but I think, you know, this is a good a
good place for him.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, And I'm I don't I don't even need to
make that a slight I know it can be. I
don't really care to. Honestly. I think if you're getting
cast for being yourself in a lot of films, kind
of one in a way. M m, it's less work.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
But I always thought it was funny that he was
married to Lisa Bonet, who also never plays anyone but herself.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
That's yeah, that's funny. Oh, but for all the roles
even that are kind of like Kim, I think this
is the least work he's ever going to do on set.
They are just gonna, like, I think the hardest part
for him playing Lobo will be sitting fucking still in
the chair and not getting so over excited like a
damn Golden Retriever wanting to run out there and play.
Sitting still in the fucking makeup chair before he gets

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to go play. I think is the hardest fucking thing
in this job for him.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah. Probably, And I would much rather than do the
makeup than VFX, I agree. Which. Speaking of which, over
to Clayface. In an interview with Brandon Davis, James Gunn
addressed the leaked Clayface set photos and he says, we
knew we were shooting outside. We knew there would be
some photos that would get out, and we knew there

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was some makeup and stuff involved. And they're like, oh,
should we not put any of the makeup on and
do it with visual effects at posts? And I'm like,
what are you talking about? I mean, is it gonna
make one dollar less of the box office? You know,
if like some photos leaked. Secondly, you want to spend
hundreds of thousands of dollars on VFX when it's going
to look better if it's practical, because there are a

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lot of amazing practical effects at Clayface. So I'm really
happy one that that's his, that's Gun's stance, because you know,
obviously we can look back at the very recent history
of the DC movies and God shouldn't have been a
fucking thing like about any number of VFX. But two,

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I also love that our conversation honestly, naturally gravitated towards
makeup and special effects so that I could segue into
that fucking story.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
It's really more about your experience with the story than
the story itself today on that one.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
But yeah, that was a shock. And speaking of great
practical effects make up.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
We'll kind of or practical segues.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Over to The Batman Part two. Colin Ferrell spoke with
The Hollywood Reporter about his upcoming appearance in The Batman
Part two, and while keeping most details under wraps, he
did reveal one an unexpected bit about his involvement. Quote,
I've got an even smaller role in this one, but
I'm okay with that. I've read the script from start
to finish and I can't say much about it. But
it's deeper, scary, the stakes are bigger. I'm really excited

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to see it. Are you disappointed that he's in it? Less?

Speaker 1 (11:06):
No, I we not only predicted it, but I'm good
with it. Yeah, he got his story. Yeah, And if
you want this to be a The Batman story, then
you need to pull out a new villain. Because if
there's anything about the Batman that we all know, it's
that he has the best drugues gallery and all that. So,
like you know, all the story, you know.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
I have seen a lot of pushback on it, though,
because people are just like, oh no. At the end
of the Penguin though, we see the bat signal, he's like,
nothing's gonna stop me now or whatever. And then we
see the bat signal, We're like, oh fuck, So they're
leading to something and it's gonna be The Batman Part two.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Doesn't have to be doesn't have to be for that
to be true, I mean, and truthfully, it doesn't. Like
his part in Batman two can be from a prison cell.
I mean, we can jump ahead a little bit and
he he got called.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, the first shot, the first scene from The Batman
Part two should be Batman just like walking away from
chained up penguin who's being carried away by the cops.
That's it. That's it. Just be like, okay, well, cool,
someone stopped like fuck you, Yeah, look to it.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
If you want your sequel in the small time, we
get with the penguin whatever it is. H. I do
hope that, just because it would be emotionally great. But
it was his name, Vic, his his friend in the.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Show, the the guy he killed.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah I want.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
To Yeah, I don't remember, but he's dead, so I
don't care.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
He's very dead. Batman is not going to make it back.
So it just if there's any shout out whatsoever, I
would love it. I would love it if this Batman
gets a chance to make a dig about that, like,
you know, gets to throw in somewhere some line about like, hey,
you know, I bet Vic thought he could trust you too, right,
Like the only sequel I would really love at all

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is to mention that major payoff in the sea somewhere
Vix death and what it must have done it like
it just it's the point of the whole fucking series
is that he we were supposed to care about him,
just long enough for him to turn on us and
kill Vic.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
So you know, bring that up anywhere and when I
see him again and I'm good.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Otherwise we just have like the Penguin Part two.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, I don't want to do that. I mean, I
wouldn't mind, but I'll tell you what I want. I
want Selena and Sophia facum. I'm good with Penguin. Penguin
can fuck off. Like I've had enough. He's good. I
liked him a lot. I loved him, like, I'm happy
for him to be around as like a supporting character.
But we I feel like we've you know, we've got
his story. I know y'all a lot more.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
There's a lot more stories to tell in Gotham than
just that one. Yeah, there's no need just because he's
great to bring him back necessarily. And if you really
show real strength, you need to be able to reload
and fire, like.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Just give him a minute to like get his bearings
in Gotham, become like the big bad that every he
wanted to become. So that like part three or whatever,
because we know there's a trilogy supposedly.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, or maybe not eighty four.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I don't know, whatever they decided to do thirty four, right, ah,
let's see. Oh well. Speaking to The Hollywood Reporter on
the twenty twenty five Emmy Awards Red carpet, Yeah, that's right,
we've been away for a while. Matt Reeves shared his
reaction to giving Robert Pattinson the script for the Batman

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Part two quote, it was super excited. Sorry, I was
super excited. I thought that he really would like it
because the things that it does for his character, for
Batman and for Bruce I think has never been done
before in this way. He also emphasized the importance of
keeping the sequels secrets under wraps, hinting at a complex
and thrilling new chapter for The Dark Night.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
That sounds pretty good.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
That's bold. That's a bold statement. It's never been done before,
my brother in bat Are you.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Sure I think the concept has been broached?

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yes, I don't think we talked really about this at all.
Gun posting that the cover of The Man of Tomorrow's
script with the with the brain and everything, did we
talk about that, don't like on the show?

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:21):
All right, I don't know if that means brainiac. But
you know, Gun did this interview with Charlie over on
Emergency Awesome, and for some reason Charlie decided not to
post the interview. He just like he did this weird
thing where he just summarized it and according to him,

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I did not hear Gun say this. But according to him,
Gun did not confirm that the villain was brainiac, but
implied it probably was somehow. Again, I have no idea
if that's true. Gun shared the interview, so I have
to assume he at least tangentially agreed with what the
fuck Charlie said.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
He said, I agreed with the qualified possibility that was
maybe listed there.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, And an interview with Rolling Stone, Gun was asked
whether A Man of Tomorrow would reveal what happened to
Peacemaker after the full Nelson cliffhanger. He says, no, no, no,
but people should expect that the way that the military
and Rick Flag and everybody are working together and they've
created a probably illegal prison for meta humans on another
dimension is going to be a part of the DCU
stories going forward. It's not just a tertiary. Oh this

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is Arkham. It is part of the stories. There's an escalated,
escalating war obviously that's going on between the government and
meta humans, and this is part of it. He describes.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
I'llly take issue with the word obviously in that sense. Yeah,
that was one of the major things that we thought
you might focus on. But that I think I feel
like that is genuinely big news that that's part of
what he's going to focus on in a lot of
the major overarching stories is a meta human, meta and
human war.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
I would say for me, I felt like the escalation
was obvious and that's where it was going. Obviously.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
I think it's it's definitely there. It's not that. It's
just that you've got all these, you know, hundreds of
recognizable eyps to play with, dozens that are actually genuinely recognizable,
and you can go a thousand ways with this.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Mm hmm. Sure.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
So to hear that that's what Gun really is thinking
he's going to put his time into is I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
I feel like if this were if they were doing
things like the Marvel Universe, like the MCU, I feel like,
and I'm not trying to be shitty about the MCU,
but after all these years, I feel like I would
half suspect or at the very least I wouldn't be
shocked if I saw a stinger like Salvation and then
we just never went back to it, like because they

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do that. They will like show you a stinger and
then you won't hear anything else about it, and you
might hear a line where they were like, oh, luckily
someone put the kaibosh on Rick Flagg and his fucking
salvation bullshit. You know, they barely got Chris Smith out
of there, and then like you would have been like,
we're not.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Doing it and be like, yeah, you've seen stingers like
the Eternals. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
And I loved the Eternals movie. I aw want more
of the Eternals.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Two and a half hour stinger with two stingers.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yes, fucking Black Knight and everything. Oh my god, why
you gotta bring up the Eternals to make me sad?

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Sorry? I thought it was good.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I like so much. I was like, ah, this is
so cool. They're just like weaving so much fucking mythology
into it, Like they're like, we're getting so much backstory
on the MCU as a whole. But yeah, uh hmm, man.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
A lot of miss posts that you and you and
Kamal are just as just as angry a promise what
or Kamil.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Oh Kmeil was like, Hey, Kamala is upset about the
fucking I think that.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
I think Camel's mentioned that, Like, I feel like that's
the last several times, several pull quotes I've seen out
of him is like how angry he is that that
all got left on the table, like to fucking movies
or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, But now that you mentioned, I'm sure
Kamala Harris is angry about the about the Eternals coming back. Probably, yeah,
like the the fucking night that she didn't get through
the she didn't win. Basically, she probably went ah, the first,

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the fucking Eternals and now this, m hmm, Yeah, that
was absolutely what she thought.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Sure, Yeah, she'd got a text from Figy earlier that
day confirming that they wouldn't be able to revive it. Yeah, no, no,
this was really what I was paying attention today. Sorry,
damn it, Kevin No.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
On The Ring Reverse, James Gunn spoke about his deep
connection to Lex Luthor, noting that the villain is one
of the characters he sees the most of himself in
What's most striking though, how Gun's admiration for Luthor makes
Man of Tomorrow sound less like a straight Superman sequel
and more like a Lex Luthor story. As gun put it,
he's quote interested in getting into the heart of Lex

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and seeing how he fits into all of this, getting
to know Lex as more of a human being than
When asked what excites him most about bringing Luthor to
life in Man of Tomorrow and Beyond, Gun did not
hold back. Quote, we saw a lot about the evil
part of Lex. He's pretty evil. He as a character
is really interesting. There's something, despite everything, that is incredibly

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heroic about Lex. Take a side morality, which is hard
to do. But here is this guy who's saying, you
can hold up a building, you can shoot down planes
with your eyes. Fuck you, I'm gonna kick your ass
because I'm better than you. I can't help but admire
his tenacity and his ego. His ambition is beyond compare.
He's the underdog. Yeah. Sure, he's got a lot of
corporate power and that he can use to manipulate things,

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but he can't fly it outer space. He can't lift
up a building or punch something across three states a guy,
and I fucking love that. That's an interesting take, Yeah, Gun,
It's just like, yeah, I like Lex. I'm like Lex,
all right, Oh are you sure?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Man? You know I'm not. I don't think I hate this.
Hear me out though, If your Dame's Gun. Sure, you're
kind of you're kind of the big gun campus right now, right.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
I think if he related more to Superman than Luthor,
just on a personal level, it would probably mean that
he would be writing us worse stories.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Probably, So I'm pretty sure for us as viewers this
is great news, probably because it means he'll he'll continue to,
you know, twist our emotions for yours to come in
a certain way. Yeah, I mean, I just also, who
wouldn't Who in the right mind would say like, yeah,
I really identify with Superman. You're just gonna be told to,
you know, shut up and sit down, you pomp motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Really m so, actually I think he was. Today on Reddit,
a DC fan shared an image of a Superman costume
display this part of the Warner Brothers studio tour, and
it's where David kord sweats Superman suit is supposed to be,
but his suit is missing, and there was a sign

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in his place that said Superman costume currently being used
by production. And this has led to a bunch of
people to be like, oh my god, they're they're already
shooting Man of Tomorrow and they're going to be using
the same costume for Man of Tomorrow, and people are
getting upset about that and arguing about that. I need
to point out Man of Tomorrow has not even rolled

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cameras yet. Gunn just posted pictures of you know, his
his stack of cards of like where he draws out everything. Yeah,
they're not in production on Man of Tomorrow. Production does
not kick off until sometime next year, which completely tracks
because the film is not set to hit theaters until yeah,

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and he.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Done to put it simply still drawing pictures of what
this will look like, right, We're not grabbing stuff off
walls yet.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Mm hmm. So gun recently said he just wrapped another
draft of the script, the fourth draft, by the way,
which means we're still very much in that pre production
shuffle papers and you know, argue over fucking fabric textures. Face.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Can I ask you a quick pre production question. Sure,
Let's say they don't change the costume at all, the
summerne costume.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
You'll say, you tell me. There will be bitching about that.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Mm hmm. Some people will.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Be why you know, where do you fall on that?

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Where do I fall?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Okay, So I've seen like, okay, one of the arguments
I see is like I hate the you know, I
hate the costume. I hope they change it. I don't
want them to keep doing this fucking costume.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Right, this particular one, or just the idea of changing it.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Well, you know, I see like a group of people
who hate the fucking costume and they want it to
be changed. Then I see a group of people who
are like, I like this costume, and the only reason
they changed the costume and all these other movies, uh
is for toys, right right, And they're like, why would
he change his costume? They are all these And I

(24:25):
don't understand either of these arguments because you know, yeah,
he might wear the same costume for a while. But
also like, I mean, I get tired of wearing the
same shirt every fucking day, Like I I would like
as a person who is a creative and who gets
tired of wearing the same shit every day, I would absolutely,

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if I was a superhero, want to have different versions
of my costume so it can be both.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
I could kind of get that, But the part of
me that would be bothered by that is more like cool.
I would have like a few flavors in my closet,
right by the time you shot my first movie in
whatever timeline on, like by the time you met me
in my universe, do you have all those I didn't
just go change him.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Right, So where I fall is I think it would
make sense if he had multiple costumes. I think, I mean,
he doesn't have to be like, you know, whatever the
fuck the like action figures do or used to do,
where it's like flamethrow or snowsled Batman or whatever. It
doesn't have to be that. But at the same time,

(25:32):
like as an action figure collector, Yeah, I want a
different version. You know.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Look, I would love this. I really do want this
scene now that you're describing it. I want that way.
I want Corn Sweat to show up in a black
Superman outfit and then when asked why, just say I'm
not invisible. Sometimes I have to do stuff at night,
you know, like yeah, just a very practical matter, like yeah,
it's a very bright blue. Sometimes I have to do

(25:57):
stuff that's like you, I mean, like if you're Superman,
it's not like you can infiltrate a base.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, and just just be seen. It's just like I
had to go to this embassy thing. It's formal where Yeah,
that'd too. Yeah, like I think there's there are reasons
in the universe, but it's also I need.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
To put a bow tie on the regular Superman costume.
That'd be fucking hilarious.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
It would be very that would be very silver age.
But yeah, yeah, I think where I fall is I
like action figures. I like there to be different versions,
and also from like just a design standpoint, I want
to see different things tried, like if gun had like.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
You would be bored if there if they just go
to the new movie and they haven't changed, but they're
not like an end reason in story reason for it
that is that is different, you know, you know, new character,
new upgrade, all that that grades good reasons to change
the costume. Okay, cool? Cool?

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I mean he was always fun for me to see
Tony's new new new gear and Iron Man it was
always fun to see like, oh, what's Batman wearing this time? Oh,
you know, because you would think someone like Batman would
upgrade his armor a little bit like, oh, well, that
fucking sucked. I you know, got Catwoman claw in my
arm or that needs to be thicker.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
I guess they always have to make it something like that.
Though it's not like you could just be like, like,
what if you have the same scene you just meet
the Batman two years later and someone just says, like, so,
what's with the new costume upgrades or anything? Why did
you change it?

Speaker 2 (27:18):
I like it, Yeah, no, that'd be weird, you know,
It's like, but then you also get stuff like were
there are other I don't know if you'd call it
politics necessarily, but other ideas and play. And the perfect
example of this is, you know, Zack Snyder recently started
an Instagram account where's sharing his photography. By the way,

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gorgeous photography. And I've enjoyed everything I've seen over there,
but a lot of the people.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Were always a strength. I'm sure it is great ptography.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Absolutely, And he put up this polaroid of Affleck in
the BVS suit and I've seen a lot of you know,
the Snyder fans going and now and this is the
most the best, most accurate fucking costume and uh but
now because of gun we're back to fucking armor. And
I'm like, first of all, you know, it was Matt

(28:09):
Reeves that brought back the uh, the armor outside of
the Snyder verse, but Zack Snyder went back to armor
in Justice League because Batman did not have like the
BVS suit in Justice League. He had fucking plating like
armor and shit. And I get it, you know, he's
fighting paradiemus. It made sense for the story. But you know,
like I it's and by the way, that BBS suit

(28:31):
is fucking just glorious and that's absolutely my favorite Batman suit. Yeah,
in live action. But uh, Ben just really did that,
uh that version of Batman Justice But you know, at.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
The end of the time, he looked phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
He looks so fucking good as the best he's ever looked,
both Affleck and Batman. Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
I don't think Ben, which are on either count Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
I but I also just think that, like you know,
a lot of people or just taking some of this
and just going like, oh well, they will take what
their preference preferences are outside of just the costume and
pinning that into costume stuff. And that's kind of pull
back on that too, y'all.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Like so, I you know, I you know, now I
think about it. You know, it's funny about somebody like
James Bond, for instance, what's his costume fucking tucks?

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Right? Oh, I thought it was uh this costume. What
he normally wears is a half naked lady.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, yeah, that changes too over time.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
It does.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
But but the nice thing about like him is you
can update, Like he can wear a new tuxedo every time.
But in the story, the story always takes place in
the present, right, no matter regardless of the timing of right.
It's one of those loose timing universes where everything was
two years ago yet also seventy years ago.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
So yeah, light a lot of things like that, but like, yeah,
he can just wear the the best looking tucks that
humanity makes that year. Mm hm, and that'll be fine
is you've got the new thing. Well then again, that
is also why he doesn't make great action figures. So
it's just a dude in a tucks.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Well, I mean, I remember Daniel Craig made quite the
splashes just being like a muscular guy in like short
shorts on a beach for like whatever. It was like
a casino royale or whatever. It's like, I don't even
remember him in.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
A tux he that is true. Yeah, he was just
in like the U, but he was in that like
Italian you know, like can and kind of outfit whatever.
Anyway had that like yeah, he ye, but that's just
an example of Daniel Craig being at that time considered
one of the sexiest men on the planet.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
By the way, I do, for real remember him in
a tux like, yeah, I've seen a royal ship. Yeah, absolutely,
but that's not what I thought of.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
His hands being twice the size are supposed to be
for that one front.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
That's what those few seeds where you like, as a
straight man, I see Daniel Craig in his little swimsuit. Ang,
go girl, don't you'll be a woman soon?

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, it's like, oh my lord. Yeah, it's like one
of those Henry Cavill moments for fox sake. Yeah, it
was a Henry Cavill's stealing fucking clothes off a line,
you know.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Stealing clothes, stealing hetero statuses as he goes whatever.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Like my card, my man card. There it goes, they're
both gone.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
I can't remember there was a period there where like
I don't remember if Daniel Craig is I don't remember
if he if he's bisexual or not.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Oh, I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
I do vaguely remember a whole news cycle where that
was kind of the speculation.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
I don't remember where that any of that landed. I
just remember being in the news. And second that he
was the funny part that was like it was at
that time where he was the sexiest man on the planet.
So like half the guys that I knew were like,
I don't know, man, you tell me though, what do
you think? Like we're a little bit interested in the problem. Yeah,
so saying there's a chance kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
But yeah, anyway, uh So, officially, where I fall on
it is if they use the same suit, fine, if
they do another one, I'll be happy with that too.
It'll look fun. I'm sure it'll be fine and look good.
I don't know. I like, I like, I like a
little visual uh change up, you do?

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Okay, we've gone over with me, Like I wouldn't. My
problem is I wouldn't notice if that never changed, it
would never occur to me.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah. There was like that one season of The Flash
where they were like, oh, yeah, he's getting a new suit.
It's gonna breathe a little better, it's gotta do all this,
that'd be a little more streamlined, a little more slick,
and I'm like cool, And then they showed it and
I was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Just none of that looks like it happened.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Like it looks like he's wearing something from fucking Spirit
Halloween for Fox's sake, Like, yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
That was a strange year. I remember that it was
not the year that there was somewhere in there the image,
like the one shot image for the season is super oversaturated.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Some feel like all of them.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, maybe, but like it seemed like in the last
couple of seasons there's one shot where like he his
sup borderline just blends into the background because his way
over the overwided, over redded kind of super bright kind
of thing, but like it's it's borderlines just so you
can't really see the costume. Hmm. It didn't look good
in those last couple of years, which was strange.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Although, and you know what, since there's maybe someone yelling
at me about this very practical concern, one reason to
change the costume is that all the fancy glues and
bullshit they use just fucking wears out.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Oh definitely.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, So it has just occurred to me as I
was saying that there is a real reason some people
might change costumes that yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Well, you know, look, there's still employing designers and costumers,
and at the same time they are going to not
only not only is the costume after because they're gonna
have several costumes during the production, right, it's not just
one yea, in many cases, way more than that. Yeah,
but they wear out. They wear out. You can't like

(34:21):
keep those in circulation for long stretches of time.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Now I think more stories about like, yeah, there's some
dude that's just constantly working on whatever one's not on.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Screen right now, just trying to you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Splice it together long enough to get a scene done.
Jesus really.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
But also these teams when they go in to fix
the suits or redesign the suits for the next movie,
they take all the knowledge that they have from the
previous suit in the previous movie and they find ways
to make it work better. They rebuild it. Yeah, so
there's going to be some difference in appearance.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, some of.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
U's gonna be a stem and some of u's gonna
be functionality.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
They're granted though short of that practical concern, I would
be the guy that if I was if I was
in charge of this set, you'd have like the whole
design team come up with for a year two and
be like, all right, so the plan this year we're
gonna change so inside it would completely take me off
card like, oh we're gonna win out.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay. And if they didn't tell you, you'd be like, wait,
you changed it.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah yeah, they'd be like, okay, cool, it looks good.
I can't tell the difference with someone. Please point. I mean,
I really would just have to be like I'd be
turning into a PA, like don't send them home. I
feel bad. Let them do it. I guess I don't know.
It didn't I didn't think about it.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, can we afford it?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Is it in the budget?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Cool?

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, let them do it, I guess okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah yeah, Oh it's not in the budget. Oh shit,
now do yeah? I do wonder. I do wonder, like
because I'm guessing that they are just using it for
costume design work and it's all pre production stuff, measurements
and you know, adjustments and testing all the materials, onder

(36:04):
lights and going into all that stuff. But I do
wonder if if he's going to be in lanterns, because
they could be shooting something for lanterns. I don't I
can't remember if that's still I think that's still in production,
isn't it.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
I want to say yes, I don't. God, I don't
think i've actually seen Lanterns finished production yet. I think
they're still in production right now.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, I haven't seen him finish. I mean he for Fox,
say they can also have him in like a stinger
for Supergirl or something like. You know how these things
officially wrap and then they come back for a minute
and do something else. God has an idea, Oh fuck,
let's do this.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, Man of Tomorrow was that, Yeah, like it is.
We're we're recording this on ten twenty six. On seven
twenty six, I think the idea was born. I mean,
like we're three months ago. It didn't even fucking like
he just went to a premiere for a movie. There
was no sequel in mind. A few weeks after, he
starts thinking about it, like he's he started. This occurred

(37:02):
to him in the press, Chunkins like has he said that, well,
he yeah, he implied, I forget where it was, but
like in the he didn't get give the timing so specifically,
but he kind of like about a month later, he said,
I was thinking about it after like after he watched
the movie or whatever, but it had occurred to him
basically in the month after what the next movie would

(37:23):
Superman would be like Man Up Tomorrow did not exist
as an idea until after the movie itself came out
and he was thinking about it while he was doing
this thing afterwards. All right, how he phrased that somewhere,
but it was like, yeah, you know, God, I'd have
to find that now.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I'll take your word for it. I don't remember that.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
But how it happened. It happened very quickly though, like
there was no such thing, and then there was a
premiere date and all that happened like weeks.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
All right, all right, all right, all right.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
It really it's That's what I mean. Like the thing
I remember remarking on so much was like, man, we're
just in a crazy age, like especially with him being
the idea guy, but also just you know, it's him
and Peter. If they got the money, they can do it. Yeah,
They've got the money, they got they've got all the
cards and like, and in his case, the movie did
well enough for him to just like everything's in your favor,

(38:10):
you just pull that trigger and fucking give me a
premiere date.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Brn mm hmmm mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Loved it. I just hadn't gotten to see anything, so,
you know, like the you just don't see it happen
that fast. It's great.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. All right. So I'm about
to get into some DCT. And when I say DCT,
I mean it is like all over the board. We
go back to Supergirl, we go back to the Lanterns,
we go back to Mano of Tomorrow here and there.
But like it's all just kind of mangled in because
I wasn't parsing all that shit out as he dropped

(38:45):
more and more interviews and all these things are very connected.
You'll see what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Anyway, Uh, can you Cama Mill Jasmine or Earl Gray?
Just a fucking bastard hybrid of all the tea's.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
A little bit? Do you need to to take a break?

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah, yeah, let's do that. Come back all right, emotionally prepared?

Speaker 2 (39:04):
All right.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Then, the Saxon in me, like the English in me,
just did not like the description of tea you just gave.
Made me cringe.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
I don't know how to help you, man.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
It feels like an abuse of some kind.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
It probably is. Yeah, all right, anyway, do what you
gotta We'll be right back. All right, and we are
back and it is time for some DCT. That's a
big slurp. Okay, yeah, that was a big one. I

(39:39):
just kind of felt like I had to keep going
when I started doing it.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
I'm sorry, No, I think that's just called being thirsty.
Had a hydrated reason.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Well, on my desk in front of me, I have
a diet coke, and I have three waters that are open. Well,
I wander off and I get like a stroop waffle
or something, right, you know, tis the season Sam's has
them finally.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Again, right, Uh that requires a water.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
It's of course it does for coffee, and I don't
have coffee right now.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Would be delightful with a droop.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
It would. It's even guided on the fuck of the
pack on the front of the fuck of the packaging
at the front of the packaging, well.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
The front of the packaging. Fox is what you're thinking,
sweat miss let.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Oh fuck? Uh all right, first, uh gun has confirmed
that uh flurry is not Martian Manhunter. I'm sorry everyone.
It was a good try everyone.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I don't think that one had a lot of momentum,
but good news that will not deter a good chunk
of the people who think who think that's true?

Speaker 2 (40:55):
So mm hmm, yeah, so you know, uh, according to
that to Charlie on Emergency Awesome, Gun was talking about
how while there is still happening, he doesn't know if
the next thing with the Eleventh Street Kids is a
checkmate show or if it's going to be something else.
So it sounds like things are pretty up in the

(41:17):
air about all that right now.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah, yeah, I figure out what he's like. We've we've
gone over the possibilities of where he thinks, where we
think all those characters may land and for what reasons, Yeah,
some of which are contractual. I don't know if we've
gone over that as a possible thing yet, but you know,
just renaming the show and putting the characters there does
kind of do things to the contracts that are in

(41:41):
favor of the studio a little bit, So like that
could also be in play for a number of reasons
that don't even have to be all that antagonistic. So
you know, we freak out about the possibility.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
But I don't know what he's I don't know what
he's thinking there I don't know if he knows what
he's thinking there.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
I think that may be the problem.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
I don't know if it's even a problem. Don't force it.
It ain't gotta be forced.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Well that's fine, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
They've got a lot going.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
The problem in the sense of me thinking there's a problem,
is that I want an answer I don't have.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, Yeah, I get it. Yeah, all right. Talking about
songs in other DCU projects, he was doing an interview.
They asked, are you thinking about ways to use songs
in cool Ways and other upcoming DCU projects or are
you leaving that to the individual creators. He says, it's
a mix. There's sometimes some hackneyed use of music, and

(42:34):
I really don't like it. I really don't need to
hear ballroom Blitz in another movie for as long as
I live. Love the band, but don't need to hear
a ballroom blitz in a movie ever again. So when
something like that comes up, and it comes up pretty
often in these different projects, and they're like, oh, James,
I will like this because it's seventies. James will like

(42:54):
this because it's seventies music, I'm like, I don't like
seventies music. That was what fit the Guardians. I mean,
I do like seventies music.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I like all music, my whole thing, damn it.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, he says, I've become a sleeves metal guy because
of Peacemaker, which is a journey that started before this actually,
but I'm really a punk rock guy all day long.
I've been listening to my twenty twenty five list, which
is a lot of Canadian punk band pop and Irish
punk band sprints, and then also a lot of other

(43:28):
modern alternative, a lot of hip hop. There's this guy
named Russell that's an amazing hip hop artist. There's a
lot of cool stuff out. I don't understand half of that.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
But yeah, I think he's honestly just kind of word
vomiting a bunch of genres and artists that are roughly
what he's been going through on his playlist recently.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Uh, and I get it, though, I mean I don't
why wouldn't want to be so he does? It gets
pigeonholed because like, oh, you know, seventies music, that's great.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
M h. They grow up well, I mean it's the
same way everyone's like, oh god, he's gonna do Superman.
It's all gonna be a bunch of dick jokes and
needle drops, and then it wasn't either of those things,
And people are like, I knew it was gonna be
exactly what I thought, and that's no, the fuck you
didn't say you were setting you know, you said it
was gonna be this.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the major social media problem
in general has always been that there's no retractions printed
to these kind of things.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
You don't no retractions, and it's all hyperbole.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
And even now, like where would you find it? If
someone if if if in someone's feed, they actually did
post another whatever you want to call message later that
said something that was like, I would like to retract
my earlier statement there were no dick jokes and needle
drops in the Superman movie. You wouldn't find it, Yeah,
unless you're going there looking for it, and then that's

(44:47):
just kind of psycho behavior.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah. Uh. They asked in the upcoming stuff the Supergirl
movie in the HBO Max show Lanterns, are you thinking
that way about songs? And he says, there are songs
in both of those things, But I don't give a
shit if there's songs in something or not for me
I use songs like listen, Superman to Me was a
score movie. That's just the one song. There's just the

(45:12):
one song that is, strangely probably the biggest sort of
hit song I've had out of a show that wasn't Wigwam.
You know, maybe Come and Get Your Love from the
First Guardians, but everybody knew Come and Get Your Love.
It was like a rediscovery of a song from a
new perspective.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah, he just revived that one.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Yeah, all right. So on the Peacemaker twist leading into
the DCU, they asked regarding the vicious twist at the
end of Peacemaker, the vicious twist at the end of
Peacemaker from what seemed to be a happy ending. First
of all, what's wrong with you? And God said, listen,
this journey's not done. They said, what should people expect

(45:50):
that threat to be enormous going forward? He says yes,
And they're like, so, to be clear, you've made a
key part of the ECU going forward about a government
official abusing the power by having mass thugs come in
the middle of the night and expel innocent people from
the planet. Gun grins. It's just totally fiction, Brian, This
is this is like something that can never happen on

(46:11):
our planet. That's the beauty of things like comic books.
You can explore things that would never ever happen on
our world. Yeah, Brian says, this war this thread. Will
we be seeing these uh this and things like lanterns
and Supergirl? Or is this really your arc and not
necessarily the larger arc? He says, no, No, both those

(46:32):
things are worked in. We knew both of those stories
were a part of what we originally put together, so
they're part of the overall tapestry, but they're also their
own things. Supergirl especially is a space adventure. It's like
Guardians Lanyards is his own thing. There's just a longer,
sort of a bigger world we're building with all of
these different pieces, and they do all come together and intersect,

(46:54):
sometimes in a story fashion and sometimes just a you know,
here's another piece of the world fashion. Ryan asks, are
there other big arcs?

Speaker 1 (47:03):
In case he's gonna end up apologizing for his cousin's
behavior to a bunch of people trying to put everyone
in jail. Like, I'm just thinking about the last scene
where he's like, yep, she's drunk too much. Mm hmmm,
and then we're gonna end up in a situation where
they're like, yeah we should there. If we're gonna end
up with the Metal War, she's gonna be used. I
think about the poster too, the Lookout thing, like she's
gonna be used as an example of like this is
this is what happens when we you know, oh.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Supergirl, Yeah, sorry, I was trying to figure out who
she was.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
No, sorry, Supergirl. Yeah, Like she's gonna be used as like, yeah,
we clearly can't trust these people. Look at all this,
like this reckless fucking team just destroying things.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Yeah. I was like, I'll be quiet until there's a clue.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
I started at kind of the Lookout poster mentally and
went backwards.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, and came back. I hear you.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
He asked, are there other big arcs for this face?
He says, yeah, yeah. Leonyards is really important in setting
things up, So keep that on your radar again.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
The Lanterns is a giant space cops.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, but it's like a quiet Detective show set on
Earth for some reason. Yeah, I'm just sure they do.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Just I'm trying to reimagine all these pieces as part
of like a giant salvation type story that he's grinning about.
Mm hmm all the okay, Well, like which ones are
the the mechanisms of power in that in that scenario?

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Just for anyone who's thought about it, just take a moment,
just just have a moment of silence, for anyone in
a writer's room who's now looking at the world that
we're living in and thinking that any of those stories
they wrote a year ago that sounded out landish or
just you're behind the a ball now, motherfucker. Mmmmm, like
any of it's just people having to rewrite whole seasons,
I'm sure because the anticipation's just gone. Yeah, first started

(48:47):
me thinking about it was the Daredevil writers.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
I don't think you really were paying attention to this
last stutter of a born again thing. But yeah, like
they Fisk is very transparently a Trump figure and yeah,
just you know, I don't know what you're gonna do
with season two? Good luck.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, I don't do that job. Yeah, No, I haven't
paid attention to anything like that. I've just been kind
of not watching Marvel.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah, you've been behind for a quite some time. But
they're just they won't be They're gonna be one of
many shows that have just sort of been like, you know,
that's the thing in writing, that's the thing, and right
you're in a writer's room, you're trying to push the
boundaries a little bit like Okay, what if we kind
of did this, and it'll be a little bit like
what's happening here? And you're trying to even kind of
anticipate and push a little bit, and sometimes events push
further than you can mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah. Basically, uh, I keep thinking like, oh yeah, I
need to get back to Marvel and uh. And then
me and my wife were like, well, we're gonna watch
English Teacher. All right, I'll do that. And then I
finished that up and I was like I might need
to get back to Marvel. And then my wife was like, hey,

(49:57):
what do you what do you want to watch next?
I was like, Malcolm in the Middle.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
That is typically what happens to you. I was like,
you'll tell me, yeah, like even when you're actually because
most of the time when we talk, you'll you'll you'll
not even be on the fence, you're just straight out
I'm not going to have time for that. Occasionally you
will cross over into like I really should get that
done territory, and then I'll leave that conversation. I'll come

(50:21):
back about three weeks and casually be like, did you
catch up anything? Now we're in like season three Rugrats?

Speaker 2 (50:25):
What not rug Rats? I wouldn't be again at though
it's a pretty good show, just.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Just going down season two a punky Brewster. You'll it'll
be something that I'm not It was in the.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Mix that has happened. Actually fucking episode Cherry gets stuck
in the fucking refrigerator. Yeah, playing hide and seek. Yeah,
it was terrifying.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
It'll I don't know how it happens exactly like if
it didn't, if I didn't know your you know your
viewing habits better, like how you go about watching things,
I would almost borderline thing that you just kind of
like accidentally wandered into two B holes, like like two
d K holes of some kind and just been like, well,
because it's a lot of classic TV that's just on
a loop over there.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Well look, okay, so so English Teacher is a good show,
and I liked the I like the trailer a couple
of years ago, and it's two seasons they just put
on the second season. I saw another trailer. I was like, shit,
I meant to get back to that. And it's a
funny show, you.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Know, completely aware of but I won't speak and I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Now, Malcolm in the Middle, that's a very specific thing
that we wanted to watch because they are doing a
like a revival series on on Disney or something where
they're you know, all grown and everybody's coming back except
for the one kid. Yeah. Yeah, and they're actually like
posting fucking set photos and shit. Now, so I'm like, God,

(51:53):
we gotta get that, we gotta do that.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah. No, I mean some of the some of the
stuff you'll get, you know, and look at TV Binge
Tangent takes like four weeks. Sometimes it's not like you
can just idly go on some kind of Some of
these are ten seasons and you know forty minute episodes.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yeah, which Malcolm is like seven seasons. But you know,
there there there are shows that we you know, they
are specific kind of thing, and we just take a break,
like years long breaks, Like we went seven seasons of
Married with Children and then we're just like fuck it,
we need like two years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Well, I mean talk about we haven't watched Community in
a while. It's almost time for another, you know. Yeah,
refreshing it is.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
And somewhere in there, I want to get another Studio
sixty watch in there.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yeah I did.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
It's been a couple of years for me on that
two or three years.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
I watched an episode and a half the other day
and it's it's it's still slaps.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, it's great. I know, I know. Uh, it's still great. Yeah.
And look, man, I sat down the last time my
wife was out of town. I sat down and watched
the first episode of Inhumans and said, this is not
nearly as bad as everyone said it was. This is
fucking delightful. Never went back for another another episode.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
So, which was weird because later you were so excited
about that that later when I asked you about it,
I was almost casually like, so, how'd you like the end?
You're like, I never, I never? What do you You
were like? Like, like, if if this was like a
sexual thing, I'd be like, what do you mean you
didn't come? You were like making all the sounds like
what do you mean? I like, no, I just completely

(53:26):
bounced on it.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Okay, Okay, So when I tell you that I am
adhd as fuck, I need you to understand that what
you just described has happened to me, right bye bye, No,
I know, I know. Yeah yeah, uh so.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
I mean I know because I've done it too, but also.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Like, oh, that was a distraction. Oh well, this is
not gonna happen now, and it's gone. Yeah. Wife is
like are you sure, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, you
get this.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
I'm also good. I'm fully fairly distracted with the thing.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
That's good. Yeah, I'm just gonna have to call on
me for now.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
No regards, it's good.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah, absolutely a thing. Absolutely a thing, you know. And
all I think it took was like for in Humans,
I'm sitting there watching it in Humans and I watched
that first episode and then Bethany called me and had
a conversation with her. I was like, yeah, it's actually
really good. Yeah, and then like I don't know what happened.
All I know is, you know, a week went by
and I didn't get back to another episode, and now

(54:30):
it's been months and I still haven't seen it. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Man, I don't I don't know the the mists and
whims about which your h your streaming access travels.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Man.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
I just don't. I don't fully understand it really does.
It'll like a show that I haven't heard about in
twenty years. It is suddenly what you're gonna watch? I
don't know where that came in, and then something like Humans,
I don't know where it bounced out there. I think
you may be getting abducted. Now that I'm saying out loud,
that seems like a pretty good explanation.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Actually, no, I mean it.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
And a new interest.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Well look man, look okay. Like a perfect example is
that show dream On that I was talking you about.
That was I had not heard like I had on
occasion been like, oh yeah, I remember that show. Let
me see if I can find it anywhere, and then
I couldn't find it anywhere.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
I've done that with dream On.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
So you know you can't find it, you don't know
anything about it. You're like, I don't you know? And
by the way, that is one of the most infuriating
shows because you look up at anything on the fucking
show on the internet while you're watching the show, like,
oh what what made them do this?

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (55:37):
What made you can't find any information? It was never
popular enough for them to like go into any detail
online or and interviews anything.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, so like you have like a got futurrama dot
com or something going.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
So like I'm just like, there's not even a fucking wiki.
So I'm just like, I don't know what the decision
making process was behind anything, which is just maddening for
anyone this day and age who was a television officionado,
Like I spend most of my time watching these shows
on my phone, researching the episodes i'm.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Watching, yeah, running through the Wikipedia about the writer's rooms.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, I love that kind of shit. That's my jam.
So yeah, so I could not find that show for years,
and then all of a sudden it's on Roku, on
the Roku channel, and I'm like, everything gets dropped in
my life. Everything. I'm just like, oh my god, this show,
this show, and that's what happens. It's just like because

(56:33):
I'm like, I don't know how long this is going
to be there, just.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
The perfect storm hits and you got to you gotta
consume it way you can.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, if it disappears, my
hope is that someone who had the Roku channel figured
out how to pirate it, and at some point I
can have a copy of the damn show.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
That is true, you know, it's I was gonna say,
there's a few things worse than like when you act.
I don't actually like to look at the you know,
there's list of what's going to expire in what service.
I don't like to look at uh huh. I almost
just would rather be blindsided about whatever it is not
being there when I go look for it later. It's
also not all that interesting because it doesn't just it
just shows up somewhere else. Most of the time you

(57:11):
just go look for it, it'll find some somewhere else,
but occasionally run across one that does have a deadline.
It's coming up, and it's just a terrible feeling to
know that you really only have two weeks this time
to finish this series. It's the closest that most people
at this point will ever experience to something like cable television.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
M m oh, but dude, Like a few years ago,
a few years ago, I got like deep, like I
just saw it randomly on a service and I got
deep into watching fucking in the heat of the night. Yeah,
I was just like sad. Yeah, I was drawing fucking
Carol O'Connor. I was drawing. Fucking dude. I can't remember
his name now, but I could have told you back

(57:50):
then the guy played Bubba, you know, like I'm drawing that. Wait,
we found out where they shot it, and me and
my wife and my sister, we all fucking went that's
like a day. It was this in Georgia. They shot
it in Georgia, the same place they shoot they shot
a Vampire Diaries, and it was there was something else too.

(58:11):
We were watching recently and I was just like, Oh,
it's fucking Sparta. This miss Sparta a sippy right there
is it? Just it's unmistakable. It's an unmistakable town once
you recognize it, once you've been there and you've walked
like you walk around, then they're fucking like, Uh, the
police station where they shot the in the of the

(58:32):
night is an actual like chamber of commerce or some ship.
It's some some building that you can't really go into
and fuck around because it's like an official building. Oh okay,
but like they have just more than anything. Like you
go to the civic center and it's just like they've
got like divided between uh Vampire Diaries and in the
heat of the night, but there's kind of clear that

(58:54):
they're like more into the Vampire Diaries because that's more
of the tourist thing. They hear you those people are yeah,
but uh yeah, dude, I was like totally totally into
in the Heat of the Night, and I watched it
growing up, and I just say, as an adult, came
back to it. But like they the last season was
a number was like a series of TV movies, and
they were not available when I was watching when I

(59:16):
was binge watching it in the Heat of the night.
Oh and I could not find them for years, not
even for sale. Recently I found all of them. They're
all available, and I started to watch one and got
about ten minutes in and drifted off, And I have
not been able to get back into the mindset to
finish that fucking show. Uh.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
I recently watched the last season a peep show with
a pretty similar arc wasn't available to me for forever.
Finally showed up somewhere and I went, oh my god,
and then forgot about it for like months, and then
remembered and I think I remember and was like, holy shit,
it's gonna beanish again. I have to binge it right now.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Hey, yep, So, like I'm actually scared to look up
the end of the Heath The Night to Get Brent
Box is season eight slash TV movies or whatever they're
calling them. Yeah, I'm a little afraid to look. Are
they going again?

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Some poor kids are gonna be telling the story in
twenty years about FU trauma.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Don't say that. Oh, I think Futurama's a big enough
deal at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Not those fucking four DVD movies.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Oh, for real, you just can't find them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
It's not so much that you can, you really can.
They just kind of list them as like seasons. They're
they're basically just seasons on every service that yeah, has
few trauma. It's just that, like, I forget, there's something
weird about them, how they're presented down there where they're
like I think they present it's strange. But yeah, even
the fans of YOUU trauma, like when it was not
as easy to find on any streaming service like that,
where like you it's like you would own the thing

(01:00:51):
and they'd still be like, I don't know, I don't
know what to talk about they some people hated them
so much they like pretend they didn't exist.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Mmmm. I remember watching one I didn't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
They were a little bit flat, sure, but that's my points.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Yeah, whatever, the one was where Bender was in a
fucking circuit or something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
I don't know, honestly don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I don't know. I think he was like on a
motherboard or something. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
I mean, there's an episode of that with Sigourney Weaver.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Oh dude, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
That has there's an episode where he's ahead on a
motherboard and he's just running around and the planet expresses
behind him as another piece of information floating around the motherboard.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Yeah, I'm probably just conflating a bunch of different ideas.
I don't know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Also, what happened to those movies?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, that sounds right. I keep trying to watch Futurama,
but every time I get to that fucking Demon Santa episode,
I can't. I just can't. That's where I fall off.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Robot Santa's is a bit hard for some hard cells,
even among even among us as hardcore ones, even the
ones who who didn't complain too much about some of
the last seasons. Even among us real real, real hardcore wins,
there's Robot sand Is a little bit hard to do sometimes,
and those movies are a little bit hard to do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
I just try to close my eyes and go hedonism.
Bot Hedonism bought save Me Hedonism, But it's I know
who You're coming in more ways than one, and you'll
get two.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Zat Brannigan's Forever hedonism.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
But oh, I love I love Zat Brannigan. Did I
tell you God, I'm so sorry We've got to get
back to the show. But did I tell you that? Uh?
Part of the incentive, It's not really a part of it.
Instead of this incientive for both of us to get
to finish up Star Trek, the original series me and

(01:02:47):
Effie on Star Trek Universe is Uh, when we're done
with it, we're gonna watch where no fan has gone before.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Oh yeah, that's a good that's a good call.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
My favorite episode of Futurama.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Make sure I can. I can. I forget where I
have this, but I because I actually do have copies
of this, but I have the DVD the commentary track
for that one, which I also advise you listen. Oh
it's it has I mean, it does have some fun stories.
My favorite story from behind the scenes, which has been
told elsewhere I think at this point. But my favorite

(01:03:23):
scene on that is no fun fan has gone before.
It was, yeah, they got the original Star Trek cast
to come back in for this. Uh huh, all the
actual originals, all the big names came back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
In for doing and well, James Doing was sick and
deforce Kelly had passed away by then.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
So there's a couple of jokes about who's not at
the table and then but the rest of it, though,
it was like it's a bunch of nerds making Futurama,
and then the giant nerd gods showed up and everything
behind the scenes kind of acted like that. So they
tell these stories about people squeezing into a sound booth
just barely able to breathe. They were crushed in there
so hard just to come watch them do these lines.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Yeah, that's so cool. But yeah, it's one of my
favorite lines of the line that I always use to
talk about Star Trek the original series is Fry's line like,
come on, you know, seventy nine episodes about thirty good ones.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Yeah, so I'm looking forward to that. Anyway, back to
the show. Sorry, sorry, I'm not going to cut that out.
It's just not gonna happen, right, I'm not even sorry.
It's just what you sign up for on this show sometimes,
so to be clear, Sorry, no, not there not there

(01:04:44):
where do we leave off?

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
I have no idea?

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
God, oh, Lanyards is really important setting things up. People
are wondering, By the way, if James Mangolds just announced
deal means that the swamp Thing movie he was planning
for you was dead, Gun says no, no, it doesn't. No,
so man, Gold swamp Thing still on? Still on?

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
By the way, I just realized, uh that the animated
swamp Thing from the nineties was only like five episodes long.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Mustn't I have action?

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I have action figures from that shit? I remember the
theme song for fox sake? Yeah, how was it only
five How it wasn't a huge deal? It was five episodes?
And now cancel it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Just it became a huge deal. And there was there
was a lot of imagery like that going around, man,
I mean it was there was a huge like push
about like Captain Planet became a huge deal, Like there
was a huge push about climate around that time. I
think a lot of media did stuff like that. But man,
I swear like toxic avengers and swamp Thing and all

(01:05:46):
that became like images that I swear I were there
for years of my childhood. I don't remember a damn
thing about the actual primary content, but the visuals were
there for my whole damn childhood.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Yeah, I remember some stuff, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
I vaguely remember some parts of the live action movie
and thinking as a kid, oh, this is cheap. But like,
m hm, I'm pretty sure history was gonna bear out
that I was right about that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
I don't know. Like I said, I'm excited I found
out all of this swamp Thing live action show was
on YouTube. Yeah, I'm excited about that. That's that's a
genuine high point in my life right now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
And I'm here's what I'm gonna be curious about. And
I'm gonna say this in a way that it's gonna
be it's gonna sound shitty because it kind of is,
but kind of gonna wonder if you think it's better
than what we watched a few years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Oh okay, let me put it to you like this.
I've watched about the first twenty minutes of the first episode,
and yes, it is awful, but it is awful in
that I just found Swamp Thing playing on USA at
like eleven o'clock at night, and I am watching the

(01:06:54):
fuck out of this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Yeah, weird science era.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Like this is gonna be some cheese. I just cringed
because they did like a whole monologue of swamp Thing
opened his eyes like we couldn't see him in that
fucking bush and then and I'm like, this is infinitely
more entertaining than the shit that was on that twenty
nineteen show.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Yeah, okay to me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
To me, I know people, it's a subjective thing. I
know people who love that twenty nineteen show. I fucking
loathed it. It was too dark, I fucking dude, from
Dhostman toital Soup, oh miss Susie whatever the fuck? Oh
my god, I hated that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Yeah. My problem of the show was that it took
your suspension of a disbelief out back and fucking gave
it what for for a few hours like it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
I would have been fine with that if anything had
fucking happened on any given up. It was just like
nothing happened. It was just darkness and abby looking, sad
and fucking Toitle Soup, and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
There was a there was a lot of getting to
stuff that never quite got to but got got got to.
But but yeah, like it, I just it. Every episode
would have something in it that just made you get pulled,
you completely out of the show and if and God,
there were whole pieces of the premise of how they
did that show that were deeply that were kind of
like that for me. Yeah, it wasn't wasn't great. I'm

(01:08:20):
gonna be curious later about your uh year overall tech
there comparing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Yeah, I mean it's bad, like the the old one
is bad, and it's bad in the ways you expect,
but also I have a nostalgic thing for it, so
I'm gonna like it a little bit more and it's
more entertaining because of the badness and the nostalgia than
the newer one. The newer one had higher production value
but also was apparently too fucking expensive, and I'm not

(01:08:44):
even sure what the fuck happened with that. Those owners
were taxes, there was tax incentives that were taken away
or something I don't know. Also Virginia Madsen, just Virginia Madsen.
But anyway, uh, what am I saying? Oh? Yeah, they
asked gun so your hopeful and swamp things still, and

(01:09:04):
he says, yeah, I mean, yeah, totally absolutely, Yeah, we've
talked to him. He still invested, So we'll see. Some
things take a long time. We'll see what happens. Let's
see Gun knows what comes next. When asked what determines
which TCU projects he will personally direct, Gun pointed to
man of tomorrow, an idea he's had for a long time,

(01:09:25):
he said, which is completely contradictory to what you were saying.
I did not remember. This was in my show notes,
by the way, So I wasn't being vigdictive and being like, well,
I guess we'll see in a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Yeah, not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
I was shocked that this is here. He went on
to tease that he already knows his next few directing gigs. Quote, Honestly,
I think I know the next few I'm directing. I
already know. These projects, while not announced, are all tied
to a larger story that grows out of the piece
MA season two finale. It's a part of the plan

(01:10:02):
of the DCU. There is one big story. On the
one hand, everything is going to be okay to watch myself,
but also there's a bigger story being told that involves
say Salvation, so that story involves Rick Flagg and involves
Lex and Superman. So there's these movies that I'm going
to be directing. That's the plan right now. At least
I may get so fucking tired that I cannot do it,

(01:10:23):
because I'm pretty tired. But we'll see. But there is
a plan. There is a plan that I'm gonna do.
You know, it's a couple more at least. He also
spoke about a major shift coming to the DCU projects.
He is not directing himself. Up to now, he's been
the creed of driving force behind those releases, most releases,

(01:10:45):
but next year will bring Supergirl from Gillespie, Clay Face
from Watkins, the Lanyards TV series, which will be a
team of directors. Gunn says letting go isn't easy, is
challenging because I am by nature a writer and director,
and that's my experience as being a writer and director.
I've produced things, but it doesn't come as naturally to me.

(01:11:08):
It doesn't feel like it does, and so that is
trying to be the best producer I can. That's something
that for me is just a personal challenge. I'm focused
on being the best producer and supporting those creators the
best I can to help tell good stories. Really, I
am beholden to the story in those things as much
as I am to the story of my own stuff.
So my central concern is the same, whether it's a

(01:11:29):
movie I'm directing or something else. That's nice that he's
still as concerned.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Yeah, he's invested. He also I think he would be.
I mean, we've seen him acknowledge this. I think where like,
where did you run across this recently? Where somebody where
he pointed out, like, you know, I didn't write super Girl.
I think I saw him kind of clat back at
somebody with that recently, where like he but he gets
blamed directly by a name for stuff all the time,

(01:11:56):
and he knows that's the case.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Mm hmm. Yeah, Well it's it's one of those things
where it's like, you know, back when Matt and I
were really into Lost and really into Fringe, right, Matt
used to always say like, oh, jj Abrams, Ah, I
love a jj Abrams, And I'd be like, for sure, man, uh,
you know he's not fucking doing this right. He directed

(01:12:18):
the first episode, and his name is therefore always going
to be in the producers credits, But this is Stamon
Lindal Lof and Carlton QS. Like you know, he's not
doing fringe like he did the like the first thing
and then he like fucked off like he didn't know
where this was going. But like and you'd see it

(01:12:39):
online too, like we're just like, oh, just fucking jj Abrams.
I love him, I love him, Mike. He's not actively
working on this, Yeah, but it's the same thing where
everything that's gonna be doing done in this how everything
in DC, Like I'm seeing like news about the comic
books coming up, and I'm seeing comments being like James
God fucked it, Like this isn't even James Gunn dude. Yeah, yeah,

(01:13:04):
I mean I do wonder he's running that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
I know, Like I wonder that's got to be some
like it's gotta be tough to comprementalize if you're him,
Like you can't overreach now onto other people's projects just
because you're gonna be blamed for it. You've still gonna
let your people have their space and you you know
what it's like to each space if you're him, Like,
that's that's got to be hard to navigate.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Yeah, some days, especially poorly.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Now it has been interesting though, like it's not it.
We haven't heard that that does go poorly in particular,
but we have heard that projects don't work out. I
mean a couple of these scripts. He's said very openly like, hey,
the script's not where we want it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
And then you know, as later said, hey, it just
never it never did get where we wanted it, like it,
you know, public facingly, there's some kind of system here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yeah, And look, I would much rather be that situation
because the last thing, like, if if gun had been
in charge, I'll tell you what, Black Adam would not
be a thing. Yeah, yeah, Shazam, Fury of the Gods
would not be a thing. The Flash might have been
a thing, but it would have been what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Well, I think it would have either well, I know
it like it at a certain level, Flash would have
happened four years before it did, probably literally maybe before. Yeah,
you're right, maybe more, but still yeah, it a portion
of a decade before it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
And I bet you they wouldn't have had all those
fucking writers tacked on there. Yeah, nope, we're gonna flush
this and we're gonna start all over again.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Yeah, absolutely not. But I think like the way Gun
does things.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
That it fucking writing by committee.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
He got sent through so many people. I mean there
were there's probably one and a half million dollars just
in buying the scripts from people, just in buying treatments
from people, christ at like one hundred and two thousand
of pop just not contracts, just the check out the door.
But yeah, like there, I think with him, his style
seems to be a little more a little more like,
if it's not ready to go, it may not happen.

(01:14:55):
You know, we're gonna if it's ready to go, let's
get it done. Let's get it out the door. You know,
let's keep it moving. But if it's not ready, we
bench it. But I guess that keeps it moving either way.
Like he likes to decide positively about negative outcomes. I
guess we're definitely not doing that bounce all right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Yeah, So I'd love to know, like I'd love to
know what exactly what the exact rules are as far
as you know, because like there's been you know, some kerfuffle.
The guy that I think his name is Matt Tomlinson
something like that. Tomlin, who co wrote the Batman with
Matt Reeves, and he's talked about like, oh, yeah, like

(01:15:34):
you know, we got I was doing this, I was paid,
you know, I was doing the Batman script. And Matt
told me, hey, we're far enough along in this that
you will probably not be able to get credit on
this movie and that and he sure enough he didn't
get He didn't need to get any screenwriting credit for it. Uh,
he will on the second one, Like he got the
call for the sequel, and he was like, hey, let's

(01:15:56):
do this, you know, all the way this time. But
at the same time, I'm like, and yet over here
on the flash, we've got fucking writers from the damn
forties movie serials over here, Like what the fuck are
we doing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
It's like people are just built in.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Movie has been in production for like twenty years, and
every firefucker's got. It's just really annoying. I don't know
how does that work.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
My instinct is that it's going to be like a
legal thing, like well, I mean, I know it's that,
but like sure, what he means is like heynah, you're
doing that in time, but we can't put your name
through the giant process that it has to do. To
get on screen with the other names that have already
been through the giant process, because they have all these
agreements about like it's written by so, it's it's like
written by screenplay, story by yeah, story about tellpla. They

(01:16:38):
all have different credits. And then if you do if
the names are listed on the same line, that means
one thing, is it an and like an ampersand in
the middle that means one thing and it means another
separate line at the bottom means another separate line on
another credit means another m All of those are different
things with different pieces of contracts. And apparently, like I
love this, it'll have you'll see like written by and

(01:16:59):
it'll say so and so and blah blah blah, and
then there'll be an ampersand between and then it'll say
so and so and blah blah blah another ampercent. I've
described four different lines vertically now right, and then another
fifth line with two like six writers. What that means, though,
is it went through a batch of two people who
wrote a draft of the movie by themselves in one

(01:17:20):
in one grouping, and they didn't necessarily have to be
sitting there on the same keyboard doing this like ncis
style or some shit. But they you know, they're working
in the room, that they're a project together. They do that. Well,
the am person means it went off and X percent
of the script must have changed for it to get
to the Ampersen level. Like there's I forget how that
works exactly, but there is like a percentage of the

(01:17:41):
script and if that changes, it changes. This about the
actual what it categorized that as that's got to be.
I mean, that's incredibly that all that all that's bullshit.
All that's a lot which sucks if you're that guy
is to be told, I'm sorry, you can't get any
credit because we can't put you through the process to
see if the other people's credit matches exactly, so you

(01:18:02):
don't get any at all. Actually, yeah, that can't be
the outcome you meant. Yeah, but yeah, again, there's a
bunch of bullshit mechanisms involve. But I have no idea
how it really works that you can tell somebody like nah,
I'm just thinks though, but yeah, but we can't type your.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Name, man, Yeah I did. I just you know, kind
of curious something how that exactly works. Uh. Speaking with
a New rock Stars, Gun said dark Side will not
be the big bad of the DCU. This verse, this
version of Salvation is not going to be training grounds
for dark Side or the Parademons.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
That was that was one of the possibilities.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
I'm yeah, And he went on, he said, using dark
Side as the big bad now is not necessarily the
thing because for a lot of reasons. And then he
was like, and I'll He's like, I'll tell you more
than what you thought. I was just going to tell you.
He's like, Zach did it so cool in his way,
and because of Thanos and Marvel.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
I love that he prefaced this was like no, no, no,
real tea, listen. So yeah, here's why we're not doing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
That, which is fine. And he also, like you know,
pointed out that we'll be seeing new Gods ship in
the Mister Marvel, mister Miracle, Mister Marvel, Mister Miracle animated show.
And he even said that he had the script, the
first script on his desk for that and hasn't read
it yet and he's like, I here, it's great, I
just haven't gotten to it yet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Yeah, I genuine. He's like, it's it's based off this,
It's probably great. We'll get to it when I have to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Yeah, got other stuff. Uh he did. He did say
that Flag's intention is that meta human villains are going
to be going to Salvation. Now that makes me think
that it's going to get out of Flag's hands and
other things are gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Or he's gonna move what he thinks is a villain.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Right, But you know, on threads, he has recently said
that Flag does not hate meta humans. He's scared of them.
He had his back broken by by a meta human.
Like he's seen the meta human threat increased, you know,
exponentially over the last two projects DCU projects essentially, So

(01:20:16):
like he's afraid of the meta humans and he wants
to get the bad ones to salvation and out of
our hair. So it's not like a total villain turn,
even if it is. I mean, at least in his mind,
he's justified.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Yeah, I think the way we got to know Flag
and all the stuff we've seen him go through, I
don't think Gun's gonna let us completely untether from him.
We're gonna see that this is from his perspective still,
what he thinks is a good idea and that all
these are calculated sacrifices and all that kind of crap,
but like you're the bad guy. So on how long
they'll take, I really don't know when it'll be exactly either.

(01:20:54):
I'm gonna be curious about whether it's more him just
souring more honest, or if they'll if they'll take it
out of his hands. Which one will happen first? I
think both at some.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Point, though, what are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Well, gun sorry flag As far as like him getting
more and more villainy, honest, I think he's probably going
to a go a little further than he thinks he
was gonna go. He already has. We watched the coke pinch,
and then we're gonna see him a little bit further,
and then I think it's just still gonna be taken
from him even past that, Like yeah, they're gonna push
it straight into know, we're just gonna we're gonna have
to put away Superman. Let's just get all of them gone.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Well, I mean, look, that's if that's what we're talking
about from Man of Tomorrow to some degree, I don't know,
I don't know, some some version of that is there.
What what would be funny is if the notion becomes like,
oh shit, if someone finally clues in and goes, Lex
is so smart, he's a meta human. Yeah yeah, Gun

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did say Salvation is in another universe. It is not
a different planet. You cannot get into spaceship and just
go to Salvation in our uni. You have to go
through a dimensional doorway and go to another.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Universe straight up, a different energy field.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Different different dimension entire. Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
You know, the different dimension doesn't change the dark sidiness
of it all. One of the nice things about dark
Side is he can be in several He is, as
they say.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Right, but he can traverse multiverses.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Yeah, he can. You can. He's a whack him almost.
But let me ask you this, is there a part
of you? And I hate to sound like I really
I hate being in a position of saying this out loud,
but I'm gonna oh God, because it's one of the
things where I feel like I'm gonna be like, yeah,
no Guns saying that, But I don't think so, because
That's what I'm gonna say. But there's no version of
events where he doesn't eventually have to get to dark Side.

(01:22:43):
I think it's yeah, physically impossible to play in the
DC universe without involving him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Eventually, Yeah, eventually.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
I just don't want it to make it sound like, yeah,
I know he's gonna use him anyway, but yeah, you
just you have to crawl in his direction at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
I think at this point, yeah, some point you do,
and I think there is I think, what you what
you look at? What you're looking at is I'm not
going to touch this right now because it's still too close. Yeah,
it is still too close to Zack Snyder's Justice League.
It's still and it's not that like it's not as
it's been painted that. He was like, you know, I'm

(01:23:19):
scared to do it because Zach already did it so well,
And that's one you want to like fucking respect the
last dude. But also, I mean, we just saw it.
We just saw this well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
And he points out that with Theennis too, that is
the major point with Yeah, we just did a dark
side like literally one was named that mm hmm, and
then the other one made two billion dollars in one weekend,
so like can we no?

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Yeah, yeah, now in a in one interview, he does
say that Salvation does go significantly further than Lanterns, Like
we said before, but he has an interesting little like
ending there where he says whether or not I'll be
in charge or not, And a lot of people are
kind of saying like, oh, it's a failure. It's not

(01:24:06):
even a lot of people, it's you know, the normal people. Yeah,
but there, you know, it's like, oh, well it failed.
He knows he's on his way out and uh. But
also the way the headlines across the multiverse of bad
faith news.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Can we start calling them the graceless ones?

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Maybe? Yeah, well I like to reserve that for a
specific graceless one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
That's that's my point.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
But a lot of those are saying like, well, Gun
doesn't know what he's you know, about to face. As
far as the new merger, we don't know that merger
is happening. It probably is happening with somebody. WBT has
put out a big fucking for sale sign. Yeah, but
you know, you know, we've got Trump over here threatening

(01:24:56):
and saying like, ah, you know, I don't know about this,
like don't do this or you won't get permission, and
WV is still saying fuck you, that's not or that's
not a good enough offer. Everybody's going back and forth
right now, but absolutely James Gunn has no fucking clue
what's gonna happen if there's a merger. First of all,

(01:25:17):
because you just don't know mergers. They'd love to come
in and just fuck with stuff that doesn't need to
be fucked with.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Yeah, and to be clear, there's some stuff you can
put in, and I'm sure there's plenty of stuff in
a contract like this. There's like, here's my super stupid
knowledge of it. It's like, yeah, there's plenty of stuff
you can build in to protect yourself. He's probably got
a bunch of stuff in there about years, but like,
none of it will matter at all if you just
shudder that version of things because you have the money

(01:25:43):
and a merger to do that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
And like even if he has something that says like, yeah,
if this is just justed all it has to be
in my name or whatever, there's also gonna be a buyout.
There's there is an amount of money moving around here
that if you just really want to make it happen,
you can make that go away and do it however
you see fit. So he's gonna be up against that
as a possibility no matter who buys it, or if

(01:26:07):
they didn't. By the way, the fact that they put
it up for sale at all, I think you just
hinted at this. The fact that they put the for
sale sign up at all means it's gonna fucking stay up.
Somebody's gonna buy the goddamn thing as long as it
can go through. And we are right now in a
super merger friendly environment, to put it very mildly, So
it's gonna sell. It's a matter of whom. And like,

(01:26:30):
you know, like he's not gonna know anything more than
we are. That's to something. Even knowing his own contract,
he will not know functionally more than we do. At
this stage.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
I think it'll be well, I think it'll wind up
in paramount.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
But cards are in their favor a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Yeah, cards are in their favorite. But look, you know,
the people who were bringing this up and saying that
the gun is out his his shit's done, they're kind
of mixing it with the Oh, Zach is now hinting
that he's coming back. He's not fucking coming back. He's not.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
No, he's lost on it. Wouldn't he It would turn
off a huge portion of the brand to do it,
even the people who liked it. It would turn some
of them off. It would be the worst marketing move
you could possibly come up with.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
And yeah, I mean people are saying, like, oh my god,
he's he's he just posted this picture of Cavill and
it said Henry Cavill is Superman, and yeah, Henry Cavill
is his Superman. Yeah, he's posting photography. And you know,
people are mad at snack Zack Snyder for like, you know, uh,
fanning the flames for his his fandom, And I'm like,
this motherfucker is allowed to post his own photography of

(01:27:39):
anything that he's doing, and he knows that if anything
is gonna get him more followers, it will be posting
that shit. Why because Army of Dead and fucking Rebel
Moon didn't do shit for real?

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Yeah, Like I mean, like, okay, but look to put
yourself in Snyder's position here, Like you you've got like,
even if you are being a little bit shitt about it,
forgive him, Like for for real.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
You're you're I don't think he is. Actually I really.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Think he is. But even if he is being a
bit sideways with it, I'm just sort of not like,
let him have it. Like you, you had this universe,
it got taken away a little bit. You don't have
that much going on right the second. Even if you did,
it wouldn't matter. How like the way it was, the
way it went out of his hands, how long are
we all expecting him to just carry the torch for
whomever is going to take it and be that goddamn

(01:28:30):
magnanimous about the whole thing. I think I said that
very poorly, but yeah, that fucking happy for everyone. Give
him a fucking second. He's like that used a personal tragedy,
tragedy and took a huge portion of the thing out
of his control. Like just he gets to be a
little bit shit every once in a while, even if
that is what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Yeah, And I don't even think he's being shitty. I
just think he's like excited about a thing that he
was excited about when he was making it. And even
on our level, me and you, we get people from
time to time who take stuff that we said way
out of context. Sure, and at like you know, oh
we're doing no, no, motherfucker no. So like, I don't know,

(01:29:13):
I've never really blamed Zach for his stupid ass followers.
The ones who were the loud and ignorant. But uh, look,
a lot of these people are also bringing up the
fact that, uh, Mike de Luca and Pamela Abney just
got their contracts renewed, but Gun didn't. James Gunn's contract
is not up until next year. So there, he's not
going to get a contract renewal, right now, that doesn't

(01:29:36):
mean jack shit, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
It's not time.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Abde and the Luca their contract was before Gun ever
even got asked. I tell you, yeah, actually, I do
know what the fuck to tell you. I just told
you that one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
That one's an easy one to not have to worry about.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Someone asked Gun could Ultraman be on Salvation? They first
they asked, are in your mind are black holes away
into another dimension? And could salvation be or could Ultraman
be on Salvation? And Gun didn't answer the first question,
but he did say he could be on Salvation. But

(01:30:19):
that would be quite a big coincidence. I mean, yeah,
so I'm gonna take that as enough.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Yeah, I don't think he's there he as far as
like Ultraman where he physically is. Have you done a
still frame of the whole from the movie versus the
whole from the last episode of Peacemaker, No I have,
and they look really fucking close. Like the coloring on
the outside is the same.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
I don't know if it's intentional or not, or if
that's just how holes look in this universe, but like
that it matches just fine, let's put it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Yeah, I'll just say that those are not the holes.
I'm freeze framing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Watching a cut that is not typically available and maybe
misl but just just to put it this way, if
Ultraman is in one of the Peacemaker doors that we
just looked at, it's that one, not this other one.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
Yeah, or at least at the very least, that's the
entrance to his universe.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
Or another entrance of that, you know. In a way,
I kind of see it as like whatever type of
matter is being created in like this weird pocket universe
with I guess an anti proton river or whatever that's called. Yeah,
whatever physics happens on the other end of that black
hole there, I figure it's something. And then whatever's on
the other end of that door that Juda Master was

(01:31:41):
about to fall into has happened to that universe as well,
Like in my head, there may be two doors to
this and there are other ways in kind of thing
to that particular universe.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Yeah, it's maybe it could just be yeah, it could
be the same one. Because Lex did have that note
that where he was like, good job, looks promising.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
I genuinely think that if that's connected, that is interesting.
But now that is, that'll be weird because like, if
it's connected, he just said, you have to have a door,
well not in this case. In this case, well, I
guess that's not true. Lex was using internvensional doors to
even get to where they just got, so that would
kill qualified.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Yeah, all right. So according to Charlie on what's it
on Emergency Awesome, he said, Gun said, uh, mister miracle
was probably coming around twenty twenty seven, that's when we
should expect it. Gun explained why Gi Robot was not

(01:32:33):
a Peacemaker. He said, he wrote Peacemaker and Superman and
they they planned stuff out before Creature Commandos came out.
He had no idea Gi Robot will be as popular
as he is, but they know now and they are
dealing with all right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
I know why he took off like it's some there's
some great lines. I don't know what off quite as
much as it did. Maybe because he died a legend, you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
Know, No, he came back though. I think I think
it's because we're inundated with Nazis and he kills Nazis.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
It's could be true. Yeah, it's it's some great.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
He's also just kind of he's also just kind of adorable.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
He is he is had that relatability to him, that charm.
I mean, David Harbor didn't hurt, didn't hurt, didn't hurt?

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
What wasn't that? The boys? No? Was it? Who was
the boy David? David Harbor? Was Frankenstein my bad?

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Who was the voice of Robot?

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
I think it was Sean Gunn.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
You're right, Okay, you're yeah. I can hear that in
his boys.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
You're right, yeah, uh okay. So there was an interview
with Bingeworthy Andy Muscietti reflecting on The Flash and said
he's still proud of the film despite the criticism, and
he said, you know, many of the people who some

(01:33:56):
of the harshest critics never actually watched it. When whether
the movie's reception shook his confidence, Mushieti replied, no, we
just moved on and understood that sometimes there's a headwind
and a project that you dedicated a lot of work to,
and we're very proud of it. I think it's a
good movie. He also called up the tendency for online
backlash of Snowball. He says, quote a lot of people

(01:34:19):
did not see it, but you know how things are
these days. People don't see things, but they like to
talk shit about it, and they like to jump on bandwagons.
They don't really know. People are angry for reasons that
are unrelated to these things. Addressing the film's struggles during
this rollout, he acknowledged how Ezra Miller's Controversi's created added challenges,

(01:34:41):
of course, quote of course we had a publicity crisis
with Ezra that is undeniable, and I'm not questioning that.
But yeah, we love the movie and actually we really
recommend it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
He also expressed, say a game at this point where
I'll tell you at what juncture right now, he seems
like he's making sense. Okay, I haven't so far bucked.
I'm almost want to be like rap out Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
He also expressed gratitude for the studios, continued backing, this
may seem immaterial now, But we also had so much
support from the studio. Really at a point where they
could have been, like, you know, backing out because of
all the issues we were having with publicity, and they
went all in and we all went all in. And
again we love the movie. We you know, we gave

(01:35:29):
it our blood, sweat and tears all the way to
the end. And I watched it like a week ago
and loved it again. And because of this, some older
stuff is coming up where he's talking about, you know,
though people Okay, So because of all that, other comments
are coming up though, where he's talking about like, well,

(01:35:50):
people just don't care about the flash, and then other
stuff I've seen resurfacing about how women don't like the
flash and they're to blame. And but of course, if
you actually look at what he was saying, he was
talking about, you know, the four quadrants, which women are
a part of, right, So that was taken out of context.

(01:36:13):
So I don't think anything he's saying necessarily is terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
Well, but the newer pull quotes just there that all
sounds fine on paper. The older ones. I was wondering
about this because I've seen this bouncing around and you men,
you talked a little bit about him, but like, yeah,
those older ones sound uh, way shittier.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
They sound way shittier. But I think like, in context
of all of it together, and look, my honest opinion
on this is that Andy just needs to shut the
fuck up about the Flash.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
That would be a great call, yea.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
And I know that sounds super fucking harsh, but here's
why I think it's important. He's already come out and
said that people don't care about the flash. Uh, and
that's why I did poorly. He came out and said
women don't care about the flash, and that was you know,
spun poorly by bad faith. Fucks. What he actually said
is the character hasn't appeared to the four quadrants, right,
So but now it seems like he was like.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
He's like, he didn't appeal the core of quadrants and
then turns out we were gonna have to to get
all the numbers we needed. Yeah, it doesn't even make
sense as a paragraph.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
But he also said like, but that's what I'm being told, right,
And he never like he's like, I'm just being told this.
He's not like taking responsibility, He's putting in on other people.
And now he's blaming the way it's coming off and
the way I'm seeing people taking it like wholeheartedly. And
this is not just Snyder Bros. Beying Snyder Bros. This

(01:37:36):
is like a huge, huge swath of people didn't like
this movie. So now the way it's being taken is
he's blaming bandwagoners and internet culture. And yes, he's at
least putting some blame on the issues with Ezra, kudos
for that, but he's very obviously not talking about the
biggest problem, which was that The Flash was not a

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good movie. And I don't think that The Flash deserves
the universal, you know, barrage of you know, hyperbolic hate
that it gets. I didn't like it, but I don't
hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Yeah, you know, most in between, like we so often art,
but yeah like it. So where I'm with him is, yeah,
he's absolutely right. A lot of people hated the movie.
They never watched it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
He's got the points.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
There, And yes, the backlash about that movie and even
the the pre bombing and the mid bombing and the
post bombing and the still bombing.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Is pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
But like he's got valid points there. And yeah, the
pr stuff with with Ezra over the years was bad,
and like he doesn't even get into what I would
also just say, hey, the main problem is like we
lost a ton of hype over five years of retooling.
But then I feel like he hasn't brought that up
because he was part of the problem of the five years.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Like maybe at the end of it, but like I
don't't even.

Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
Want to blame them, Like if you're gonna he was
coming in and clean up a lot. So point being
though like it, I kind of he's got decent points there,
but yeah, like you're right in the context though of
differently in the context of just he has never taken
responsibility for making some very shitty decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Yeah, And look, most people at least at the very
least seem to not like it. The movie had glaring scenes,
It had some really bad CGI. Not all of it
was bad. It had well documented reshoots upon reshoots, and
well documented rewrites. On top of rewrites. It was produced
over the course of three or four different executive regimes.

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I don't even blame Mushierti for any of this shit.
The changes that were made made it to where the
VFX companies literally did not have the time or manpower
to make the shots look good. These things are not
Andy Mucchietti's fault. I feel for him on that. But
the stuff that he's talking about, or rather the stuff

(01:39:48):
that he's not talking about, is stuff that he cannot
talk about because he is still under a fucking NDA.
He is not going to give an honest answer about
the Flash. He is not going to give an honesty
answer about his experiences working on that film, because one,
he is still working for WBD. He is in fact
on the circuit promoting the TV show on HBO Max.

(01:40:09):
He is still working on Batman, The Brave and the Bold,
and he does not want to get sued or fired.
He would be in preach of contract. Do you guys remember,
Like how for years after the fucking suicide Squad, the
first one came out, David Ayer said that the theatrical
cut was his cut, And then all of a sudden,
as if a fucking switch was flipped magically, he started
telling the truth about the reshoots and the meddling of

(01:40:30):
Jeff Johns, et cetera. He was under fucking contract and
his NDA expired and he could finally speak, and until
that happens, Frandy Muschietti.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Now Granted, most of the people that would be hurt
by his vocalizations are not there because it was kind
of a previous regimes, you know, CEOs. But like, I
mean enough, we'll still be there. But yeah, like the
company itself isn't gonna let you build that kind of
bad brand into what they're like. He's still under a
lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
That's why I say until the NDA is if Andy
Muschietti wants people to stop talking about the Flash, if
he wants to retain some level of credibility and hope
to build up goodwill for the brave and the bold,
he needs to shut the fuck up about the Flash respectfully. Yeah,
he cannot talk about it in any way that does
not sound delusional or like he's blaming other people for

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what has fairly or unfair or unfairly been perceived as
his shortcoming. He's making it worse.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Well, now, I do feel like this is the other
strategy that some people use. I feel like because that's
that does Yeah, I think you've got the math right,
He's fucked. The other option is to just completely martyr yourself, right,
just put all that to the side, say look, I'm sorry,
I feel like we made a thing and then see

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if you can, you know, do that apology so confidently
that your brand can carry through. Right, he can be like, yeah,
you know, I mean there were some problems, but like
Andy completely took responsibility for that. And then later you
get to play the hero any more, right when the
NBA is done, and you can say, hey, guess what,
I fell on the sword about some stuff too. I
feel like a lot of people do that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
I don't think he ever had that option.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
I think if necessarily he's I had that in him.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
He's in a bad place because if he falls on
the sword, then people are gonna be like, then why
should we watch a fucking Batman movie with you?

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
And he's gonna do like a my cup And I've
learned a lot, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
And you know, fucking if you look at the movie,
if you actually do watch the movie, because I think
a lot of people didn't watch it. I still see
people on threads who were like I finally watched the
Flash of what the fuck? Or like I finally watched
the Flash. It wasn't his bad. But you know, I
often very often see I finally watched the Flash. That
movie was trash except for the Batman bits.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
Yeah yeah, I see you know, repost of his gift
of him somewhere in the movie and like, yeah, yeah,
this is the part that worked for me. Yeah, okay,
no kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Yeah, it's always like the Michael Keaton that miss stuff,
the ben affleck Backmans stuff is just like, oh God,
what were you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
Yeah, And I don't think any of that shits his fault.
I really don't. I really don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
The part that I think we've said this over and
over again, it was like, there's plenty of that he's going
to be at fault that, but but I do think
he did a sincere job at doing the best he
could with a really bad situation.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
It was like, there's no version of events here where
I wouldn't want to hold his hand and be like, man,
I I see what you went through, like it just sucked.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
I can't imagine a series of events where I also
wouldn't want to turn to him be like, but you
see what you did wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
You know, Like I think there's gonna be a few
of these in here, but yeah, you're right, You're right.
He can't articulate what exactly he did wrong and make
us feel confident about what he has to do going forward.
How much would you like it, though, if someone did this,
and I remember, I've never seen it, if someone just said,
like the first time they get asked about something, just
straight up said, you know. On December twelfth, twenty twenty eight,
my Nda turns is up on December thirteenth, asked me,

(01:43:57):
what asked me that question again? Until then? I don't
think we should waste our time on it. Uh huh,
strong fucking answer at a comic cond if you ask me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, all right. Uh. In a new interview
with Boba Talks DC Studios co CEO James Gunn directly
addressed to the possibility of Constantine too. He says, I've
discussed it on and off. I've discussed it with Keanu. Keanu,
we can't say his name. I mean, I think that's

(01:44:27):
a great group of guys. I like all those people
a lot. I think they are talented. I have not
read any script yet, so I've seen that. I feel
like that has been misconstrued, like people have kind of
been like James Gunn as Colin Keanu reeves a liar.
Now what actually happened was shortly before that interview. In

(01:44:49):
an interview with Fandango, Reeves was asked about the status
of Constantine Too, and he said, fingers crossed. Another draft
of the script of the script came in. We're gonna
take it to the studio and hopefully they like it too.
All Right, just because Keanu said that we are gonna
take it to the studio and hopefully they like it,

(01:45:11):
one doesn't mean that they've done it already. Two. They
may have already done it and James just hasn't read
it yet. All James said is I have not read
any script yet.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
I mean it could be under the Mister Miracle script, under.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
The Mister Miracle script. You know, he on top of it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
He's actually he's still got he's actually got a Creature
Commando's script that he's got to read too. He said.
So you know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
Thatman busy drawn all them pretty pictures for the stack
of the Man at Tomorrow picture that she's already.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
Right, yeah, man, it's busy. We're getting into the Brave
and the Bold stuff now. When asked whether The Brave
and the Bold will feature a Bruce Wayne in his thirties,
James Gunn kept his cards close to the chest. Quote, No,
I think you have to wait to see the movie.
Some things have changed, Plenty of things are in flux
on what his situation is with his parentage and all

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that stuff as far as Damien's concerned. So I wouldn't
take any of it. I think you have to wait
to see exactly what's happening now. Previously, gun has described
Batman as quote a fucking maniac, which yes, yeah, so
maybe maybe gun decided a Batman probably shouldn't be a father.

(01:46:22):
I don't know. I kind of doubt that's what's happening.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
But the like the I'm the goddamn Batman version of
Batman is the kind of person that I feel like
Damien would actually take a note from.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Though, yeah, Damien would, Yeah for sure. God did say
uh there there. He's clear about the tone he wants
to strike. He says he's not a campy Batman. I'm
not interested in that. I'm not interested in a funny,
campy Batman really, So we're dealing with that. I think
I have a way in, by the way, I think
I really know what's sin. I just I'm dealing with

(01:46:56):
the writer to make sure that we can make it
a reality. He's It's like, dude, he's so fucking clear
he wants to talk about this thing so bad does.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
And I feel like even that is different verbiage than
he used like months ago, where I don't feel like
they had the end. Then when he was talking about
it as much, he just didn't excited and sound like
as pregnant with it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Mm hmmm. He was recently, uh talking to Tom Segura,
I know, I know, controversy noted, uh see uh, talking
about fan debates surrounding Batman and the DCU, and he
admitted that the intensity of online discord discourse can get uncomfortable.
He says, there's a religious aspect to so much of

(01:47:36):
this stuff is very uncomfortable. Should Batman have white eyes?
That's another big subject of conversation. And it's like, guys,
that's really what matters. But those are the things they
care about. And while he respects fans attachments to certain
versions of the character, Gun made it clear his focus
lies elsewhere. Quote, none of those things are what's the
most important to me. What matters is the character, the story.

(01:47:57):
And I think we have a really really good story
now for what's happening with Batman, and it does say
Guns comments aren't dismissive. They show that he understands why
fans care so deeply about details like costume colors, but
he's prioritizing substance over aesthetics. Two bears, one cave. He
reiterated that he won't green light a movie until the
script is finished. Blah blah blah. For Gun, the story

(01:48:20):
always comes first. He's still engaging with fans, but he's
reasserting the boundary between creator and audience, something blurred by
years of social media. Despite his own history with online toxicity,
Gun remains dedicated to telling meaningful stories rather than catering
to whichever faction is loudest. That week, he also pushed
back against the idea that there's a quote unquote correct Batman,

(01:48:43):
saying quote, I think there's one of the That's one
of the fun things about Batman. There are so many
expressions of Batman that are cool, and different ways to
access the character is one of the ways in which
he's so iconic. So I don't think as a matter
of the blue and the gray or the black Batman.
I think both those things are really cool. Then he

(01:49:03):
says something very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
I'm starting to get like some some flavor of characters
in my head about what he might be thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
Oh, try this flavor out, it says. As he brings
the gods and monsters arc, he hinted that his own
preference leans towards quote a supernatural Batman, adding quote, we've
never seen Batman in sort of supernatural supernatural environment before.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
No, no, I mean, have any powers of any kind
of even magical? He gets some well, No does occasionally.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
Yeah, sometimes he knows some shit about magic, and uh,
you know he does. I think he kind of I
don't know that he's talking about Batman being supernatural specifically.
I think he might be talking about like Superman super sorry,
fuck Batman in a supernatural story like like the old comics,
where like he fights Dracula or some shit, you know,

(01:50:00):
like or you know, there's the great stuffhere. He teams
up with Jason Blood and he's learned a little bit
of magic to get by to you know, take down
Clarity out there, or like that great story that they
did in Cape Crusader recently with fucking what was that
guy Gentleman Ghosts or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:50:22):
Now I say that he he, He wouldn't be someone
that you would like. He's not gonna pull up some
like flashing lights and you know, thomaturgy during a fight
or something like that. But he I would imagine Batman
being a man of practical means. And he's got spells
on on Bruce mannor in the bat caveat Cave Bruce Manner.

(01:50:47):
I want to make sure it dies with his generation. Nope,
Bruce Manner. Yeah, he's got like I'm sure he's got
defensive spells like it. I so meet to have Constantine
over to do this, or is the time to just
do a couple of couple of things?

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
No, man, you're talking about Batman the animated series. He
has a ton of doing some spells on that dick.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
That is true.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
I forgot about that he studied. Was he studied with
Tatara for Fox? He learned some ship.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:19):
She can teach people in regular in regular English. She
doesn't have to teach him in backwards English. It's just
that the way she does it, if she says it backwards,
it's even more powerful. Isn't that kind of one of
the riots?

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Well, I don't know. She's doing spells on the dick?
Does she have to do reverse Cowgirls? I'm sorry, Oh,
a terrible person. That was always such a great episode,
but always so craepy, like when uh, you know, when

(01:51:52):
Tatara starts to walk away and he goes, he look
looks back at Bruce Sin's a Tona goes good night,
children like, oh, I don't, oh you know what they're
about to do. Oh, come on, I've never quite you're
gonna make that dick disappear, never quite.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
Been been able to get there with that comfort level myself.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
It seems to well, I should hope not your your
daughter's very young.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Yeah, I don't mean, I don't even mean like in practice.
I mean just even like it scenes with something like that,
with that kind of comfort level or a little cringey
for me, I understand that. Yeah, maybe a uh maybe
just too where I'm from, where I haven't built kind
of thing though. Yeah, all right, so his batman though,
just throwing a couple of names out there, I'm just

(01:52:40):
getting this idea that maybe there's like a ten percent,
you know, Gary buseyish kind of aspect or feel to it,
maybe a Nick Cage from face off kind of feel
like just a little bit of raw crazy. That's what
I'm looking for here now just with Batman, and yeah,
with his Batman that he's conceiving here.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Yeah maybe maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:53:00):
Yeah, absurd impredictability.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Yeah, it would be funny. It would be very, very
fucking funny if all of the people who have been
yaying over Gun not doing Dark Knight returns Batman, Frank
Miller Batman like Zach was doing. It would be funny
if Gun just decided to do All Star it was

(01:53:25):
another Frank Miller Batman.

Speaker 1 (01:53:26):
Well yeah, yeah, Now, but that's the part that that's
the part that I'm starting to kind of vibe with,
is a little bit of the like I want a
little bit of explosive anger issues and my Batman. That
sounds could I could deal with some of that. That
kind of that sounds pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
I don't mind it. I don't. I mean, I have
my own version of Batman that I would love to
write one day, and I don't think that one I
don't think it's been done, and two I don't think
that anybody would enjoy it, like.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
It's the best reason to write it. I think.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
I mean, you're talking like you know Batman pissing himself
levels of hatred, you know, like from Widening Gyre.

Speaker 1 (01:54:06):
I forget where that's from. I do remember the explosion.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
It was a Kevin Smith. It was a Kevin Smith thing.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
The explosion releases his bladder. Yeah, I think what I've heard.
It's a great reason to write it and at least
show it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
Yeah, right, only have so many hours, but yeah, let's
go on, move on on the ring. Reverse Gun confirmed
that the script for The Brave and the Bowl is
still being worked on. It hasn't been finished yet. He
also addressed casting possibilities. Do I have any ideas about

(01:54:39):
actors to play Batman? Absolutely? I do. I have guys
I like. I have guys that are at the top
of the list for me, just like I had people
that were at the top of my list for Superman.
But let me tell you something, they aren't David corn sweat.
They didn't get the job. Yeah, we'd have to screen test,
we'd have to do the whole old thing. It's unlikely

(01:55:01):
that I'm gonna hire some someone like Sylvester Stallona's Batman.
We're just hiring him. He's not gonna audition. It's unlikely
that Batman is gonna be one of those guys. Yeah,
but it is possible. Yeah, I mean I know one actor,
he says, I know one actor in particular who's a
pretty big star who wants to be Batman. We've talked

(01:55:21):
about it, but I'm not sure that's the case. He's
also said that tons of stars have been bugging him
wanting to play.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
Yeah, I mean it's gonna be like I'm just wondering
if it's definitely Alan Rickson or if it's definitely he's
just one of the other girl Like, we know about
a couple of that have reached out and said I'd love.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
To Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, we know about a few.
There's Alan Richson, there's uh fuck. I think maybe I
think Lee Pace maybe said something he want he wanted.
I think there was like some uh there's some guy
with a weird name that I can't remember ever, like
a Skleen rr or something. I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
Stars guards up for it for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
But you know what, I don't pay it mentioned as
much because, like I don't generally you take all that
as like news when like an actor is just like
I want to be Batman. I'm like fuck you, so
does everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
Yeah, I want to see somebody at leap pace and think, well,
fuck yeah, I do that in heartbeat, do it right now,
sign them up, let's do it. But yeah, yeah, I
can get enter out of whether it's a good idea, like, yeah,
of course the most.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
The most I do is go I could see it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
The funny part that was like seventy percent of the names,
let's call it, of the names that I see, I
have to go look them up anyway, and then yeah,
half that time at least I don't even really know
them once I've looked them up.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
There's a lot of stuff being made. There's only so
much time in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
Now, mm hmmm. Uh. When asked by a fan on
threads if Gun had plans or any interest in bringing
Catwoman to the DCU, Gun said, oh, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:56:52):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
According to Charlie on an Emergency Awesome again, it was
a summary. Yeah, I didn't get I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
Really want to see everything about out how he left
that sentence, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
Yeah. According to to Charlie on Emergency Awesome, Flash is
still a couple of years away after Wonder Woman and
will likely be Wally West. I mean probably, it's probably
a good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
Yeah, I think i'd go that direction too.

Speaker 2 (01:57:17):
I mean, if you're dealing with a universe that's already
been around for a while, just go ahead and be like, hey,
here's Wally Barry died. Yeah, why because we've gotten nothing
but Barry for years now.

Speaker 1 (01:57:30):
Yeah, there's also you know, Flash and green Landing are
two great examples of like you got a couple to
choose from, and they're all pretty great. No one's gonna
be mad about.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
I really hope that the dude playing Hal whose name
I can never never remember, the guy playing hall Over
on lanyards. I hope they don't make Hal the villain
in Lands. I hope he doesn't turn out to be
Parallax or some shit like immediately, like, can we get
a little more Hal Jordan in the universe. Can we

(01:58:04):
have like a conversation with another lantern about how like
his buddy Barry died or something like that would be like,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:58:11):
Know, man, you just want to spend some time with him.

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
I just want to spend some time just I just
want to hang out with him a little bit. Also,
I feel like, if I'm watching you know, like when
we were watching the Tomorrow Verse stuff, which we do
need to get back to, by the way, but because
we still got a route, we've still got there. We
do you know where. Yeah, officially we just had to
wrap this up and I was gonna suggest to you

(01:58:33):
that we hit back on the Tomorrow Verus next episode.
But you know, one of the things that didn't really
sit well with me was when we when they did
that be where My Power movie with with John Stewart,
he goes and he rescues Hal Jordan and uh and
then like the bad guy you know spoilers becomes is

(01:58:55):
shown to be Hal Jordan, and I just like, I
don't know this Hal Jordans. It doesn't mean anything to me.
It's just it feels hollow. So you know, well, yeah,
I mean also, I think everybody expects how Jordan to
be the bad guy, the secret bad guy in Lantern,
so I really hope they don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
Yeah, it's fair well as you said, though, like the
that big reveal only works if you already cared who
How Jordan is, and then whether you're super excited about
seeing him this way is kind of probably less than
a quarantine. Like you probably are not, So it may
just be that may be a bad direction to start from.

Speaker 2 (01:59:33):
Yeah, yeah, I deeply hope that they don't go that
way for a while, and it would be even better
if they never go that way.

Speaker 1 (01:59:39):
Yeah, but I get why on one's thinking of that,
like you bring in multiples, you know, especially Yeah, well,
so is Kyle Rayner in this yet? I can't remember?

Speaker 2 (01:59:48):
Uh No, I don't think so, not that I know Ofkay,
but we know that that guy is in The Lantern Show. Dude,
wouldn't it be fucking dope? You know, because in the
comics you had guy like fuck off from the Green
Lantern Corps and he got his like yellow ring and
he became warrior. Uh. Would it be cool if they

(02:00:09):
did like a twist where it was like the bad
guy was was guy and instead of the yellow Ring,
he just became parallax like, just to put the fucking
twist on it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
I mean, yeah, yeah, that would be good. I'd like,
got it turn out to just well, be fine to
have guy turn out to be the bad guy in general,
just because the bigger ville would be that he's actually
relatively competent. Mm hmm, Like the uh, that's that's all
been he's been putting it on for all seven hundred
and sixty two women or whatever it was he.

Speaker 2 (02:00:40):
Said three hundred and something that was I think, yeah,
far less. But they have said they have said that
in the Lantern Show, Guy is going to be humbled.

Speaker 1 (02:00:50):
Okay, that'd be good.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
Like Nathan Fillion has said that, like there are some
things that happen in the show that make him like
step back as the character and go oh fuck, So.

Speaker 1 (02:00:59):
Like that'd get him out of the haircut. Maybe you
can go to a whole transition.

Speaker 3 (02:01:03):
God, I mean I probably would, dude. I'm a Nindies
kid too, though, Like i'd fucking man if like if
Guy like transitions into Via Sinestro with the Yellow Ring
or whatever what have you, if Guy transitions into Warrior.

Speaker 2 (02:01:20):
Fuck yeah, Like, well.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
So Ion now, like mm hmm, all right, do I
have the mythology that's Kyle, But like, do I have
the mythology right that when he was Ion that was
I mean I know that every time they do this,
it's like, oh, and you became this and you were
the most powerful X of all time. But yeah, like
Ion was supposed to be even more powerful than parallax
blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (02:01:47):
But was was was Ion? That was? I mean he
was like the torch Bearer or whatever of the guardians
of the universe. But like was he like was he? Was?
He more powerful than I.

Speaker 1 (02:01:58):
Thought I was supposed to be, but a parallel. I
think that's what was the factive thing. You say is
that everything was the most powerful at all times.

Speaker 2 (02:02:04):
Well, I mean, I say I questioned it because at
some point Kyle was a was the white lantern and
that was like the more powerful thing ever.

Speaker 1 (02:02:13):
Okay, all right, so that might be a different part,
all right. Then the other thing I was wanted to
know was when when the Ion stage was that a
Was that a bad guy turn?

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
The Ion nodu turn?

Speaker 1 (02:02:24):
I think so, all right, I couldn't remember.

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
Dude, It's hard to keep it all straight for me.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
Yeah, clearly, I'm asking questions, but I I couldn't. I
couldn't remember if Ion actually turned into a bad guy
at any point, or if it was just that mostly
made parallax, that big bad green guy.

Speaker 2 (02:02:41):
As soon as sentient beings developed, willpower, Ion was born
from the green wavelength of the so called emotional Spectrum.
Its existence has been kept a secret for eons that
it resided in the Central Battery on Oa to keep parallax.
The parasitic Fear Entity also imprisoned there in check as well,
granting the Guardians of the Universe, and they're successive police

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forces such as the Green Learning Corps a portion of
his vast power. Okay, okay, So I guess Kyle Rainner
takes that pers entity or whatever that consciousness on at
some point. Oh after wandering throughout the cosmos, Cosmos had
eventually settled within Kyle Rayner as his host. Yeah, so

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that was a thing.

Speaker 1 (02:03:25):
Everybody finds Kyl Rayner eventually.

Speaker 2 (02:03:28):
Dude, Kyle's a shit. He is it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:31):
He actually does fascinating about the whole everything Gun has
going on with Lanterns. You know, damn well, he likes
Kyle Rayner.

Speaker 2 (02:03:40):
He just doesn't.

Speaker 1 (02:03:40):
He feel like somebody like he just he's got to
be the right era for Gun to have kind.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
Of feels that way.

Speaker 1 (02:03:45):
He would have been introduced to it, like unless something
kind of happened, Are there something like kind of nacky
about it that he just doesn't get along with? I
feel like him and he must be into the character
like Kyle's gonna show up some damn wear and and
and be probably pretty cool if it. Do you know
that it's just not one of those characters that Gun
hates for whatever reason we haven't seen yet.

Speaker 2 (02:04:06):
Yeah, I can't remember anyone ever asking in him, ever
responding about whether or not he likes Kyle Ring.

Speaker 1 (02:04:14):
Now I feel like I've seen the question thrown out there,
you know, like in a threads thread kind of thing.
Like it's just a pile of questions.

Speaker 2 (02:04:24):
I'm gonna ask James Gun right now for it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:31):
Throw it into the evergrowing heap of questions to see
what gets pulled out. I mean it looks like he
does you throw a hundred in there? Well, not like
I don't know what the actual ratio to questions asked
to answer it is, but throw him in there. Occasionally
one gets pulled out.

Speaker 2 (02:04:46):
Oh I am snagged.

Speaker 1 (02:04:49):
He answered me about something the other day about the
Last Piece Maker episode.

Speaker 2 (02:05:00):
No no, no, no, no no no no no. I you know, it
would be kind of fun if he actually wound up
messaging back while we were on the well we were recording.

Speaker 1 (02:05:09):
Great what I definitely would rather do because it would
be funnier even still is go ahead and wrap up
the show forty five seconds before he.

Speaker 2 (02:05:20):
Answers, oh god, oh let's see that don't work at
James Gunn. We're recording right now and we can't recall
if you've ever answered this one. Do you like Kyle Rayner?
And do you have any plans for him? We love you?

Speaker 1 (02:05:38):
Thanks, yep, and we'll never see a word from it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:43):
No, no, oh, what that guy's going got going on anyway? Yeah,
I hope, because you know, look.

Speaker 1 (02:05:51):
With an I just entered a bathroom or a car
ride right now.

Speaker 2 (02:05:55):
I cannot personally say that I wasn't introduced to Hal
Jordan first, because I was My dad had an old
Green lenn In comic. I have that Green lenn In
comic now is downstairs. I absolutely was introduced to Hal first.
But nevertheless, Kyle is my green lantern. He was the

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one I got into.

Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
He had gusta. I was a lack of a better word.

Speaker 2 (02:06:22):
Yeah, like when I got into comics, well, when I
got into comics, it was we were doing the Coast
City thing with Hal and all that shit was going down.
So I knew guy and I knew how. But when
I got into Green Lantern for reels. It was Grant
Morrison's JLA Run, and it was Kyle Rayner and it
was you know, it was Wally West. It was the

(02:06:44):
Jail Grant Morrison's JLA Run like ninety seven or whatever
it was. So that's what I got into. And I
love that he was a comic book artist.

Speaker 1 (02:06:54):
Yeah, Kyle, Yeah, he's also going to be the thing
that I saw hopes with him in particular is he
in the books. He's he's got the most imaginative constructs.
You just can have the most fun with him. Like
how keeps it pretty pretty simple?

Speaker 2 (02:07:11):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:07:11):
I don't know what John Stewart does. He he's I
don't know if anyone's ever like given him like a flavor,
like a Beatles kind of thing with his thing, But
like Hal has always been characterized as keeping it simple.
Guys seems to mostly be in it for the humor.
And then Kyle Rainer's like, well, whatever I imagine, right,
so he'll get creative with it. But that's been like
a thing They've They've gone into some detailing in the

(02:07:33):
books a couple of times. But anyway, I just whoever's
having fun with the visuals here is just it's it's
right for it, but it'll be a minute before they
actually get in there.

Speaker 2 (02:07:41):
It will I'm like, man, I just I just I
want to see all the things. I want to see
all the things, Okay. Speaking with Deadline in September, Gun
offered a small but promising update on the authority, hinting
that progress is being made behind the scenes. Quote, there's
someone who is a really good creator who talked to

(02:08:02):
me the other day. When asked if the project, initially
announced as a DCU movie, might become a series instead,
he played coy. Quote, who knows. I'm probably not going
to do certain movies with characters who audiences don't know.
It's harder to get people in the theater for that
kind of thing. He's absolutely right. Yeah. In an interview

(02:08:23):
with Boba Talks, he says, uh, there you can say that.
He was asked about the Arkham Asylum series if there's
any hope for it. He's like, well, hope, sure, but
that isn't something that's being developed by anyone right now.
You know, it just didn't work. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:08:40):
I think all he means by that is like, we
know the idea exists, and if we happen to somehow
come back around to that. I guess, okay, but like mmmmm, yeah,
go ahead and rull that one out. I mean that
is one of the nice things about watching him work though,
is like for him, that's active. He doesn't mean he's
gonna put it to the side and see. For the
most part, he means actively, no, not doing that. Go

(02:09:03):
man has budgets.

Speaker 2 (02:09:05):
I forgot to send you a thing, a trailer. You
may have already seen it. They put out a trailer
for this batfan show that's on No, I have not
seen that on Amazon. Do you remember the Merry Little Batman?

Speaker 1 (02:09:18):
And every year I've forgotten to watch it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:20):
It's the same thing. I can tell this. Yeah, it's
like a show verse of this. I don't understand what
I'm looking at. It's like Batman with a beard and
Damien's there and Volcano And what's what's funny is that
they've got rash living with them as like Grandpaul Rache. Look, man,

(02:09:46):
people are people are playing their game where they're like,
we don't get this, but we're getting this bullshit and
y'all this doesn't work like that. But also this looks
fun like stop being the pricks. Stop being pricks. It's
not for you. Just don't watch it. Fuck off. I
watched the trailer and I kind of laughed a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:10:06):
I'm still trying to get the trailer to play because
things are having trouble. But ah it, I feel like
i'll know more after this Christmas. When does this come out?

Speaker 2 (02:10:16):
November tenth?

Speaker 1 (02:10:17):
Damn? Okay, Well that's that's that's on me. It's been
out for two years and I kept meaning to watch
it for two Christmases and I forgot.

Speaker 2 (02:10:24):
Yeah, I still haven't watched the movie. I we should,
we should watch we.

Speaker 1 (02:10:28):
Should, But now I'm going to be annoyed that I
have to watch it before actual Christmas because that breaks
so many of our own traditions. I'm very stalwart about this.

Speaker 2 (02:10:38):
You'll be fine. So yeah, they it's gonna be ten episodes.
It's a November tenth premiere date for all ten episodes,
by the way, and it is a it's a follow
up to Marry Little Batman. It follows Batman voiced by
Luke Wilson, Alfred voiced by James Cromwell. Fantastic cast already

(02:11:00):
Damian Wayne, who is no one I know Jannis Kibribe
whatever as they transform Wayne Manor into a home for
an unconventional family. New residents include Alfred's free spirited grand
niece Alicia Penniworth, which is fucking hilarious because his niece
was played by a Silverstone Alsia Silverstone and Batman and

(02:11:22):
Robin So his grand niece Alicia Penniworth voiced by London Hughes,
and a group of reformed super villains that's fun too
seeking a fresh start, including Man Bat voiced by Bobby
moynihan and Claire Selton also known as Volcana, voiced by
Hailey Chew. The series will also feature Damien's grandfather, Rayshaw Ghoul,

(02:11:44):
voiced by Michael Binyer, as a regular presence. The panel
also confirmed appearances from other classic Gotham villains like Killer Croc, Solomon,
Grundy Mad Hatter, with a guest voice cast that includes
Kevin Michael Richardson and Eadrich Bader.

Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
What cast doesn't include Kevin Michael.

Speaker 2 (02:12:03):
Richards And yeah, but I just watched So.

Speaker 1 (02:12:07):
I just watched this on mute and uh he jumps
on clay Face at some point with the sewer grat
and the sewer great crushes out of the top of
the sewer grade like like playto like when you squeeze
it through like it was. Yes, it's pretty funny. I
did not expect to like any of the animation, but
the animation actually looks pretty good. It looks it looks

(02:12:29):
fun I thought it was gonna be weird and jarring
and kind of disjointed in a way that makes me
feel uncomfortable. It's not. It's very smooth and lively looking.

Speaker 2 (02:12:37):
Yeah, people just upset for no reason.

Speaker 1 (02:12:40):
Kind of looks like it might be worth a shot.
I mean, yeah, I have to. I have to pretend
it's Christmas. I guess for a second. It's on me though,
Like I said, I should have watched it last year,
like I was thinking, but I forgot.

Speaker 2 (02:12:50):
Yeah, alright, it'll be all right. It'll be all right,
I swear, I promise. Uh, this is exciting. I'm very
excited about this anyway. Warner Brothers Animation and announced a
major animated film project adapting the iconic nineteen nineties comic
book storyline Batman Nightfall. The epic story will be told

(02:13:11):
across a multi part film series. The first movie, titled
Batman Nightfall Part one. Nightfall is currently in production and
is scheduled for a twenty twenty six release. The plot
of the first film centers on the mysterious Hill in Bain,
freeing Batman's entire rogues gallery from Arkham Asylum, a calculated
assault designed to push the caped crusader to his absolute

(02:13:33):
mental and physical breaking point. The project is being directed
by Jeff Weymster and written by Jeremy Adams, both veterans
of DC's animated movies. Though no voice cast has been
announced yet, this marks the first direct animated adaptation of
the celebrated saga. Nightfall was the first like big crossover

(02:13:55):
event thing in the Batman among the Batman titles that
I with my own money sought out and purchased. I
think that that was in like nineteen four.

Speaker 1 (02:14:05):
I don't know your crucible. In some ways, it's like
your your origin story. It was.

Speaker 2 (02:14:10):
It was the first time I learned about Marco.

Speaker 1 (02:14:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's like your I don't know man. That
was like your first big undertaking as a comic reader.

Speaker 2 (02:14:22):
Yeah, my mom. Uh well, I came across Park eleven
of Nightfall and that iconic cover by Kelly Jones of
fucking Baine breaking Batman's back, and I was like, I
have to know what this is. Yeah, so my mom
got it for me from Food World and I read
it and I was like, I have to see the
rest of this, and uh, you know, I got birthday money,

(02:14:45):
and I went to the comic book shop Capital City
Comic Shops in Montgomery, Alabama. Uh, it's not no longer
called that, but that guy is still around, and he's
still a fucking kids still around. It's still very unpleasant,
but yeah, man, I went in there and he gathered

(02:15:08):
all the expensive tiles up for me and made sure
I paid for it, but like a peasant, yeah yeah, yeah,
And I excitedly remember going to the Food World and
picking up the subsequent issues, and.

Speaker 1 (02:15:25):
Uh, you learned about waiting and pull lists.

Speaker 2 (02:15:28):
And I found out who Jason Todd was. I found
out fucking that was. That was the line where I
found out who Dick Grayson was. Like, I knew he
was robbing at some point, but then like when they
introduced him his night wing, he just looked like a
Native American character.

Speaker 1 (02:15:44):
Yeah, they did. His styling was strange out of the
gate Man and and for a.

Speaker 2 (02:15:49):
While and uh. Yeah. So I didn't know who that
was until later on, and I was like, oh, it's Dick.
It's Dick, like after Bruce's back was broken and they,
you know, were like, ah, yeah, you can be all right. Yeah,
Jean Paul was a bad idea, but maybe make you
make you batman. But yeah, there's like a great bit

(02:16:12):
where he was like, I don't know why you didn't
pick me or whatever, and I'm like, why the fuck
would he pick you? You're just some random Indian guy. I
didn't know the term Native American back then, and I
was like, oh, okay, I got it. I got it.
This makes more sense though I didn't know. I didn't
know Dick was all grown up. I was like, I
don't know why Robin is named Tim, but the who
the fuck is Jason Todd? I don't know anything. See,

(02:16:34):
I'm excited. I'm excited about Nightfall.

Speaker 1 (02:16:36):
That's funny. I forget I forget about Seann Luke almost
entirely when I think about the night Falls. Hereies like,
there's so much happening with the villains on that Jean Paul, yes, sir,
like would be great. There is so much happening with
the villains though that I borderline forget there's even a
false hero runner around that place at the time.

Speaker 2 (02:16:53):
Yeah, I get it that well, I mean Bruce actively
gave him the matter.

Speaker 1 (02:16:58):
I know, it's a whole part of it, though. There's
just so it's it is a very involved story, and
you like, every time I go back to that story,
I just kind of think about all the gang war
as well, all the all the villains and then you
know Essen at the end and all that like that,
just I have how there I have other like watermarks
in my head of my memories that don't involve him
in the slightest until I really dig back into the memories.

Speaker 2 (02:17:18):
Were talking about Sarah that was.

Speaker 1 (02:17:21):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (02:17:22):
Yeah, a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (02:17:29):
Yeah, uh definitely explains that entire Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Nightfall,
I just go back to Baine. I still don't really
think about that guy though.

Speaker 2 (02:17:37):
Yeah, back to.

Speaker 1 (02:17:39):
The taking him out part of that story really and
then the weird science part at the end.

Speaker 2 (02:17:44):
Oh you know, some of that wasn't weird, so like, yeah,
it was like he was I can't remember her name
his doctor though, Bruce's doctor accidentally healed him because she
fell in love with him and she accidentally healed spine somehow.
I don't remember exactly how that all happen. I think
I remember she held it enough and then he went

(02:18:06):
and like dressed up as like a bat spirit or
something and learned how to fight again from Lady Shiva.

Speaker 1 (02:18:13):
So my memory of this is roughly that you've described
it to me kind of pretty much liked that long ago.
Uh huh, that feels real familiar, and then and then
kind of basically said the end is like the first.
You kind of said, like the first part is great,
in the end kind of just died and then basically
described And then I went and read it, and it's

(02:18:34):
basically I think. I think you put pretty much have
it right from what little I remember now. And then yeah,
like that part of the story just gets odd. I
don't remember much about it.

Speaker 2 (02:18:44):
Yeah. Now, what's interesting is a lot of people are
calling this a trilogy, but we don't know, well, because Nightfall,
there's Nightfall, Night's Quest, and Night's End, and that's how
they broke it up. But I'm really hoping that they
incorporate Vengeance of Bain, because there is a vengeance of
Bain that starts off that kicks off Nightfall that's not

(02:19:07):
technically like part officially part of the Nightfall line, but
then it also like kind of they did a Vengeance
of Bin part two, where like Bain is in prison
and he's all fat and shit because you know, he's
had the venom taken away from him and his muscles
have just like turned to fucking mush and like no

(02:19:29):
one fucking respects him at all, like people are treating
him like shit, and then like he's just like I'm
not putting up with this bullshit, and uh, he fucking
winds up like killing some dude and being thrown into
solitary so that he can like have fucking rat Master,

(02:19:51):
who the fuck he was called, sent his rats in
with like extra protein, protein, extra proteins. So he's in
solitary like getting protein and stuff, and when they they
come back like a year later or whatever, he is
just jacked the fuck up. He's you know, he's kicked
the habit. He can't he has he had to go

(02:20:12):
through all the horrible withdrawal and then he like built
his body back up. It was it was badass. And
at the end he has an altercation with with Bruce
and they kind of leave on like uneasy terms like
all right, well, fucking keep your nose clean, asshole. You know, Uh,
that would be great for them to include all that,

(02:20:34):
because in that way it did have a great ending.
It was just like the Batman titles when when John
Paul was was Batman, it was just like it already
got kind of bad when he like kicked well, he
kicked Harold the Hunchback. And I do wonder if they'll
bring him in. That's some weird fucking ables ship. But

(02:20:57):
I mean, he's he's been kind of recently in the
Batman comics. You know Harold, No, he was uh, he
was grabbed by some okay, so there was like a
hair there was a guy. He was like a hunchback,
but he's a mute. But he's like a genius and
he's like he's a technological genius and he could build
all this shit. And I can't remember who employed him originally,
but he was employed by some bad guy and then Batman.

(02:21:22):
He felt guilty because he didn't want to hurt Batman
or whatever, so he winds up helping Batman and to
reward him, Batman like fucking doesn't take him to jail.
He like fucking takes him back to the cave and
lets him live in the cave and build shit for him.
For a while in the comics, Batman had this like

(02:21:44):
hunchback mute that's living in the cave building shit. And
then when No Man's Land happens, well, when when Nightfall happens,
Jean Paul like kicks Harold out of the bat cave
because he's designing all of his own ship with like
the fucking what the system or whatever he's got is

(02:22:05):
that cult ship that makes him Asrael. But then like
no Man, I think he got him back. And then
No Man's Lean happened, and like Harold was like wandering
the streets and another villain took him in and forced
him to make ship the hurt Batman and I don't
I don't remember what all happened. I think he was
killed at some point, but then he was brought back,

(02:22:27):
you know comic book characters. Man, Yeah, I don't know, Yeah,
I do. Yeah, I do, wonder though, how they'll they'll
even bother with Harrold.

Speaker 1 (02:22:35):
Was I really managed It's for a while, like seven
eight years ago. I feel like there was a series
I was reading at the time that I feel like
it was contemporary or not, like was his present day.
I mean, and it had a mechanic. He had a
mechanic in the bat basement.

Speaker 2 (02:22:50):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (02:22:51):
But like I don't remember his name. I don't remember
there being any weird able stuff going on. Yeah, but
there was a guy doing that role, like working on
the car, So maybe in some capacity he has been
moved around a little already. I just don't remember what
the folks attached you.

Speaker 2 (02:23:08):
Now. It seems like I think there was some kind
of a thing where like one of the reasons that
they he was working for a bad guy and no
man's land or something was someone offered to quote unquote
fix him. Harold allnut Man. They really went to town
with this character too, because they like they made him
hunch back, they gave him all these awful warts on

(02:23:30):
his face, Like they really really went the town on
that guy. They His first appearance was into Question thirty
three in nineteen eighty nine. But yeah, I think I
think he uh wound up getting completely like surgered and something.

(02:23:52):
I don't know. Anyway, that's along Wikipedia page. We need
to wrap up over to Batman Cape Crusader speaking with
the direct Batman Cape proceder co showrunner James Tucker confirmed
that the show will finally introduce the Joker, whose presence
was teased in the season one finale, but fans expecting

(02:24:16):
a familiar version may be in for a surprise. Quote.
I think it'll be a new take on the Joker
for people who only know of Dot dot Dot. If
Joker begins with Mark Hamill and Jack Nicholson, this take
on the Joker will be very different from them or
for them, But for people who've read comics for a long, long,
long long time, it won't be. I think some people

(02:24:38):
will recognize it and go, oh, I see what they're doing,
and other people will go, wow, this is different. But
I think it's all Joker now. I don't know if
you remember, but when they showed the Joker at the beginning,
I went, oh, I see what they're doing. And when
they showed at the end of season one, I went, oh,
they're going to do the fucking original version of the Joker,
the one that's like like deadpan, completely fucking dead pan

(02:25:01):
serial killer who smiles and laughs.

Speaker 1 (02:25:03):
The man who laughs kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (02:25:06):
Yeah, And I think that's what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (02:25:08):
I can dig it. I think it hasn't been traveled yet.

Speaker 2 (02:25:13):
I mean they they kind of did it with alternate Well,
who wound up being the joker in Gotham Jerome's Brothers. Yeah,
Jerome's brother Jeremiah. Jeremiah. Jeremiah was the joker. That was.

Speaker 1 (02:25:29):
That was a fun time.

Speaker 2 (02:25:32):
They I don't think it's as fun as you remember.

Speaker 1 (02:25:34):
No, it's actually more fun to remember that to have
experienced it.

Speaker 2 (02:25:37):
See, that's right, that is how that was.

Speaker 1 (02:25:40):
That's but I'm good with that relationship with it.

Speaker 2 (02:25:43):
I think we were the one thing we were consistent
on is that Cameron Monahan was fucking killing there was.
Whichever version he.

Speaker 1 (02:25:50):
Was for, that part was really without question. But yeah,
they went through like fifteen different versions of it, but
it never quite never quite what you're thinking, you know,
like what you're aiming at here. He got close. Yeah,
but even then, I think Jeremiah was really just using
the quietness as the reveal. You know, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:26:09):
It wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:26:10):
He didn't stay that way like once he once he
did not once he broke bad. He was kind of
obvious about it.

Speaker 2 (02:26:15):
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, A part of me wants to go
back and watch Gotham and another part of me howls
into the darkness and screams and begs that I don't
It'll be right one day, maybe maybe, But if I
never get back to it, I'm not gonna be like
on my deathbed going, ah fucking Gotham. I meant to
go back for that again.

Speaker 1 (02:26:34):
I mean, honestly, I think if you went back for
Gotham without actually finishing Lucifer, I'd have to come over
there and like swap out some televisions and hardwire for you.

Speaker 2 (02:26:44):
What are you going to do if I finished Lucifer.

Speaker 1 (02:26:47):
Record episode six six six with.

Speaker 2 (02:26:49):
You, we did skip six exactly what I'm going to do.

Speaker 1 (02:26:53):
I have a precise plan for.

Speaker 2 (02:26:55):
It, fair enough, dude. Yeah, I've been They have a
complete set, complete box set of the DVDs at Walmart
this kind of but it's on DVD's, it's on DVD.
I want I want it all on Blu ray.

Speaker 1 (02:27:09):
I see, so you can see all of Tom Ellis's
gorgeous face and posterior in the Netflix seasons.

Speaker 2 (02:27:14):
You know, I wasn't even thinking about that. I was
thinking about all the I don't know, like the Angel shit.

Speaker 1 (02:27:19):
I'm sure that's so good.

Speaker 2 (02:27:20):
They did do some really cool effects on that show,
and that's definitely one of those where, like I, I
would love to go back and just rewatch Lucifer, because
I feel like I would enjoy the show a lot
more if I didn't have like seventeen other fucking shows
to watch every week.

Speaker 1 (02:27:35):
Probably the problem was the procedure, the procedural part of.

Speaker 2 (02:27:39):
It, procedural aspect of it.

Speaker 1 (02:27:40):
Yes, it was very hard to get past eventually, but.

Speaker 2 (02:27:44):
I will not go back for all of it right now.

Speaker 1 (02:27:46):
Like I even as a background show, I was a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:27:50):
Very shocked that I think I watched all of season
four whatever the first Netflix season was. I think I
watched it all, and I'm oh, I'm not as far
behind as I thought.

Speaker 1 (02:27:59):
By god, Yeah, I think you may just have the
one left to do. But yeah, the it I think
I told you a while back it was a shame
like to not finish what you have left of it,
where what you have left is where it finally got good.
Like to go through what we went through together and
not have finished up this bit that's actually rewarding. It's madness.

Speaker 2 (02:28:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well you know, we'll see in a
couple of weeks we'll see if I can do it.
We'll see if I can give me some bad time.

Speaker 1 (02:28:28):
I gotta freaking watch it again a couple episodes to
refresh myself. Now, Yeah, just I'll go. I'll go watch
every previously album.

Speaker 2 (02:28:38):
Yeah. Uh yeah, I don't know. I'll keep you up
to date. I don't know what's happening. I don't want
to promise too much.

Speaker 1 (02:28:45):
We're still we're still a shout of Halloween season two.

Speaker 2 (02:28:48):
So I know, I know it would be a good
time for a six six six episode. But yeah, that's
all I got. I've got's all I have right now.
So thank you guys so much for listening. Do you
have anything else? Man? I don't want to rush through
the ending and just be like, fuck you, Jason, you
got something to say too, damp A.

Speaker 1 (02:29:07):
Couple hours in. If two weeks worth of been off,
I think we got it out of our system though. Yeah,
I won't say too much out of our.

Speaker 2 (02:29:13):
Sist, right. Yeah, it's like when you bruise your dick
getting that last piece.

Speaker 1 (02:29:18):
Of or that joke that many, if not all, we'll say,
was absolutely uncalled for. Yeah, the first decision in the
History podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:29:31):
Oh lord, thank you guys for listening. We'll be back,
most likely with some Tomorrow Verus shit, and until then,
keep some DC on your screen.

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