#35 - Father David Wheeler - Deacons Discussions Drinks

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when I see my heart starts racing

Tim Stout (00:34):
live from the car dome studio in Georgetown,
Kentucky. Today is May 7 2021.
Friday, the fifth week inEaster. And this is deacons
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got the social media stuff outof the way, tonight's guest with
us is father David Wheeler.
Welcome to the show.

Unknown (01:29):
David Haye.

Tim Stout (01:31):
So let's do let's do a little intro just so we can
get that out of the way and thenwe'll talk about current events.
Is that okay with everybody?
Okay. All right. So Father,David Wheeler was ordained to
the priesthood in June of 2019.
Do I have that? Correct, right.
So you're getting ready to gofor two years to your
anniversaries coming up here inthe dassies election. Father
Wheeler grew up in Clay County.

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We'll talk about famous peoplemaybe from Clay County a little
bit later on. I can only thinkof one Richie farmer. And you
were a parishioner at St. Annemission, which is a part of St.
Louis in London. And you havesix siblings and you were
homeschooled through throughhigh school, which we can talk

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about that as well. That shouldbe good session. And after
working for a few years inconstruction and farming, you
entered the seminary for theDiocese of Lexington, you
received a BA in philosophy andhumanities. I didn't get
catchword. That was from though

Unknown (02:29):
the josephinum.

Tim Stout (02:31):
Gotcha. Okay. And then you got to go to Rome, to
the Pontifical North Americancollege in Rome, where you
received a Bachelor of sacredtheology from the typical
Gregorian University and asacred theological license in
moral theology from theangelicum. After ordination, you
serve three months at St.
Andrews in Harrisburg, and youare now assigned to the

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cathedral, which is everybody'sfavorite place to go as
parochial Vicar. That's right.
How's that for introductionsthat

Fr. Linh Nguyen (03:03):
suits me? Just be prepared father David, you
know why they called thecathedral detail. They known as
the priests killer.

Fr. David Wheeler (03:14):
You're supposed to put your hand up and
be like the priests.

Tim Stout (03:20):
Well, we want him to do that anyway, because he has.
So, hey, a lot going on in theworld today. You know, we want
everybody to bring a currentevent. And my current event is
the bit that you're not thebishop. We were talking about
that before when the governorhas told us we could go to 75%

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at the end of May. And how doesthat affect us at St. John's

Deacon Dallas have an answer for that.

Unknown (03:49):
Not at all don't know.

Yeah, there's the answer. And I don't know a whole
lot.

Tim Stout (03:55):
So I was kind of bummed out about that. I was I
was hoping that and I think alot of people were putting
pressure on on the governor,which he obviously repelled, to
open up the state because placeslike Colorado and Florida, where
Florida's Texas have been open.
But New York City has announcedan open date and we were just

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hoping we were going to get anopen date, but we didn't get
one.

He wants 2.5 million vaccinate dammit. What
1.8

Tim Stout (04:27):
Yeah, we're never going to get the two point that
we're it's not gonna happen. Imean,

and I mean, that was double vaccinated. You
know, you

have people do it again.

Tim Stout (04:41):
What what happens if you get double vaccinated? I
wonder. I mean,

if it keeps getting worse and worse from the
first shot to the second shot tothe third to the fourth people
will probably die. Byreputation.

Tim Stout (04:51):
That's true. So I that's a good answer. Good
thought I hadn't thought ofthat. But you know, he's a smart
guy. He's got a lot of smartpeople working For him, and I'm
pretty sure that when they cameup with 2.5 million, they all
sat around table kind of aboutthis size. And they said, How
long is it going to take us toget to 2.5. And one guy, the guy

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telling the truth at the end ofthe table, prize it we didn't
get to the point. So that's thego, we call that stretch goal
and manufacturing. You'll see ifwe can stretch people beyond
what the capabilities are. Sothat's my current event. Anybody
got a Dallas? You got acarnival? You got a good
Catholic? My

No, this ain't Catholic, got nothing to do with
it. But I will get to somethingabout it. But let's say
commodity watchers took note ofa milestone when 1000 board feet
of lumber past 15 $100 in April,for the first time in history,
the price was around $200. Forthat same amount in May, will

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that affect our building priceswhen we build? I mean, cuz it's
like, I mean, we're, that's likefour or 567 times more, you
know.

And unfortunately, steel is doing
exactly the same thing.

Tim Stout (06:11):
Yeah, we just we supply product, the steel mills,
limestone, and we were talkingabout that today. And we
actually, we believe what whatare economists that we work with
are telling us is that the steelprice is actually come down
before the lumber price. And thereason, the reason being, it's

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the difference between supplychain, and supply and demand. So
lumber is is so expensive,because everybody was at home,
doing projects, they werebuilding decks, they were doing
add ons, they were doing redoand all kinds of stuff, and the
supply went down. But same time,there's a pandemic going on,
with a steel mill, steel mills,they shut down back when the

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pandemic started, because allthat like the car plants and
stuff, they said, Hey, we're notgonna make any cars, because we
don't know what's going tohappen. They shut everything
down. And then the demand forcars and stuff went up,
appliances went up, everythingthat uses steel went up, and you
just don't turn a steel millback on it start up and start
producing. So that's, that's whyand I'm gonna say it's not gonna

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affect our price.

What do you got to pitch in? You're gonna take
out a second morning.

Tim Stout (07:25):
I'm just saying. I don't think the steel, I think
the steel prices are gonnacorrect relatively quickly. So
there's not going to be a wholelot of wood in that structure.
That's my two cents.

I bet with the inflation as well, though.
How much money we're pumpinginto the economy?

With nothing to back it up.

Yeah, here's some money, like, just like the
the nominal price is going tokeep going up.

Tim Stout (07:50):
Yeah, the the government keeps telling us that
they're not worried aboutinflation.

Yeah. But then then you have comments like
from the Treasury Secretaryabout like, we need to raise
interest rates to quote cooldown the economy. It's not
inflation. It's it'soverheating, whatever that
means.

Tim Stout (08:09):
That's a that's an interesting way to put it. Yeah,
I'm pretty sure inflation ishappening. I mean, do you know
anything that you got abouttoday, that's the same price
that it was a year ago.

And if it ain't happening, it'll eventually
we'll it takes a while for it tocatch up. So you just can't keep
throwing money out there withnothing to back it up. And now
they're talking about up to $4trillion dollars with upcoming
projects, infrastructureinfrastructure, that's only 5%
infrastructure.

That's why we put all the money at the
cathedral into bitcoin.

Musician (08:46):
Bitcoin

and you never know when that'll take

Tim Stout (08:50):
another another CEO of a investment bank said just
this week, all those people thathave put all their money into
cryptocurrency, be prepared forit to go to zero. He joins a
long list of people that havebeen wrong so far.

So he also has invested interest in it
continuing to rise.

Tim Stout (09:11):
Absolutely.
Absolutely. I like Bitcoin

invested interest is pretty intense for
investment banker isn't it?
Absolutely.

Tim Stout (09:21):
You got to carnivale

Oh, yes, I do something quite nice. Actually.
A shout out for Jeanne Spark.
See celebrate nine birthdaytoday.

Happy Birthday Jean.

Tim Stout (09:33):
Longtime listener?

Yeah, she works lockdown for COVID and multiple
sickness and today was perfect.
I went to her place. drove hercar, she in it. And we went to
get some phone.

Tim Stout (09:49):
p h o p h o where do you go to get the pho

pho Saigon is on SoCal road was wonderful. So
we have a day we Well nowcelebrate her birthday simple.
And she was out have a greattime. That's a perfect coding
event.

Tim Stout (10:06):
That is a good, good, good curve, especially when
someone's been locked down for along time.

Oh, yeah. And she still made it to 1990

Tim Stout (10:14):
hung out will follow it still made it the 91 thing

is amazing.
She's so appreciative notbecause I'm there of her life.
You know, she got hit by a semitruck, and she got hit by a car.
And all kinds of sickness hewent through today, she was so
alive. And she's so appraisingGod, and then see calm and how,
how often we we as a society,just forget about how blessed we

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are. And that was beautifulconversation driving to and from
a restaurant. It's a great, theyhave a great time. So,

you know, you must have never have anointed
her before. No, it would nottouch her at all. He had an
ongoing, yeah, this was he wasanointing you for any sickness
or anything you done.

Tim Stout (11:04):
You were done. Make sure you have all your
paperwork.

It was just that healing. So much at peace
they were ready to.

Tim Stout (11:14):
You know, it is interesting to see the
perspective from people that,you know, when we look at what
the pandemics done to them,we've talked about my mom before
and the same thing, you know,Gene talking about how blessed
she is. My mom in a nursing homefor 18 months now and other her
only visitor and she just everytime a doctor talks about how
blessed he is. It's justsometimes hard to hard to grasp

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that. So Father, Wheeler, youhave a current event, or would
you like us to start theinterrogation?

Let's be hooking up to the detector test. What's

the third door?

Tim Stout (11:52):
Well, what's going on at the cathedral? Well, we just
start there. That's currentevent. So

Well, today we had our inaugural version of
First Friday devotion. SoFather, Father, Damien decided
to start that he's getting readyto become the pastor at Sacred
Heart. So first Friday, devotionto the Sacred Heart seemed both
pretty appropriate. And I thinkit'll be a good thing for the
cathedral. We had a we had afair number of people stay after

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mass today for it. So that wasthat was very nice.

Unknown (12:22):
Well,

Tim Stout (12:23):
I did see some father mark, I think is was talking on
Facebook about a first Fridaydevotion, somewhere close to
him. So is that something that'spopular? not popular? dassies to
pretty stern about to priesthere? What's your thoughts on
that?

Um, I think I think we're kind of seeing a
greater appreciation for thedevotional life of the church,
in general, kind of peoplerealizing that it's not, it's
not just enough to kind ofbelieve a list of things we kind
of need to live it, we need thecommon experience of praying
together and sharing that faithin, in an environment like the

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church. So I think I think weare seeing kind of a resurgence
of whether it's, you know,rosary devotions or Sacred Heart
or adoration but just sort ofmaybe a greater appreciation for
those things. I

Tim Stout (13:13):
think the year of St.
Francis helps that a little bitfrom that perspective, too.
Right. I

think so.

In St. Joseph is now I know, a lot of devotion
to St. Joseph is kind of broughtcropped up during this year, as
well.

That's a lot you don't I never thought about
St. Francis prayer. Yeah,amazing. You know, we've got a
you right, it kind of lost thattradition and through this. You
know, we have to bring up thatdamn Coronavirus. It kind of put
all of us into an awakening inour faith. I think there's a lot

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of devotional, the sacred ofJesus and one of them is so
profound. Have for centuriesdied out. I think it's time to
coming back. St. Joseph, ofcourse, definitely sick Miko.
What a loop a becomes so muchnovena. Yeah. You know, I hear

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more people talk aboutcommitting to a novena in pashya
that ever Yeah, you know, it wasvery, very good with that.

Jan, I almost wonder if it's, if it's not like
how mobile our culture was, towhere like the stability within
a parish within families to justlike, have these devotions that
really developed for people. Itwas hard because people were
always you know, adjusting to anew town or a new job or
whatever. But then wheneveryou're locked down for a year

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and don't really have anywhereto go, it gives you more time to
kind of develop that. I guessthat prayer life that sense of
you know, what really respond,what does my resounds in my life
as something that really isimportant

Tim Stout (14:54):
and fruitful. And I think that's, that can be said
about Coronavirus and Ingeneral, not just from, from a
Catholic perspective, religiousperspective, but from, from a
family perspective too, right? Ithink, you know, families were
forced to look at their livesdifferently. And that's no
different from a from aphysical, you know, relational

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point of view with your familyto also spiritual side of it.
So, I know, I started saying, Ihadn't done it, I started saying
a daily rosary and and that'snew for me. And it, it's good
for me, I, I enjoyed I prayed inthe car when I'm on the way to
work. Don't listen to the radioanymore, which is, so I don't

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have to hear any news, which is,which is a double blessing. But
it works out perfect. WhetherI'm going to my office in
Lexington, or whether I'm goingup north to Verona is plenty of
time to get it done. And I knowyou do.

Well, I'm going to fish in the retired my row
rosary down.

Tim Stout (15:55):
So it's the this, this this devotion to the Sacred
Heart. Is that something that's,you know, specifically because
of where he's going? Is that whyhe picked that?

I think I think it was more he had been
wanting to do it. And FatherDamian just finished up the CPE
program at UK Hospital. So itkind of that intensive, clinical
pastoral experience that hasit's kind of a intensive
introduction to hospitalchaplaincy. And so for the past

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two and a half months or so he'snot really had any ability to
put energy into any parish. Sohe's, he's certainly helped out
with the sacramental life and onthe weekends and everything, but
just had a lot going on. Otherthan that, so I think part of it
was, you know, wanting to dosomething like that before he
left and part of it. You know,there was a nice connection
there.

Tim Stout (16:48):
Yeah. I know when you came, the first, the first thing
you did was put two pieces ofartwork up in our, our church.
Yeah. Sacred Heart. Art.
chaplet. Our Lady of Guadalupe,Our Lady of Guadalupe, so they
looked a lot better than whatwas up there, too. By the way.
Can you remember what it was?

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Yeah, because it was the exactsame thing that was up there.

It's been 30. So how long have you been here? 30
centimeters.

That dog will be next. He couldn't take it
over.

Tim Stout (17:23):
There you go. Hey, versus prediction.

Spirit is spoken.

Tim Stout (17:29):
So how many how many priests right now are signed at
the cathedral? Father Paul'sthere right now but to get ready
to retire right.

So Father Paul is the current Rector at
the cathedral and, and fatherDamien enuma. He's one of the
missionary priests. He's in thediocese with Father Lobo,
Santosh Lobo, I believe isn'thow its first name is
pronounced. And, and so theythey both came together. And
they're going to both beassigned in Eastern Kentucky
together and actually kind ofhave a house together and living

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community and then go out totheir two parishes. They're kind
of next door parish.

Tim Stout (18:01):
And where's that going to be? Again?

Williamsburg, and Corbin there's a connected
mission with one of those. ButI'm forgetting where?

Tim Stout (18:11):
And then Father, Father Mark was there too, right
for the mark? Yeah, so that's athere, right. Boom, ba, ba ba ba
boom. Ba nobi nobi oma,

yeah, so. So he actually left whenever I
came. So he was, he wasreassigned to Jenkins, St.
George's. starting October 1 oflast year. And that was whenever
I moved to the cathedral. Sohere are three of us this past

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year, or most of the year, andthat starting on July 1, there
just going to be two of us. Soit'll be father Moriarty and
myself. And that's

all retired principal and stay with you. I
think supposed to

there are still plans that are shifting
around. Yeah. So

Tim Stout (19:01):
let's let's face it, it's a nice rectory.

Musician (19:03):
It is.

Yeah, yeah.
And I mean, there's certainlyplenty to do sacramentally to,
you know, the to daily masses.
So in order to take a day offand not have a scheduled mass on
it. It's nice to have a secondpriest there. And then, I mean,
if you have funerals andweddings and all that stuff, you
know, it just adds to that. Soyeah, so it'll be it'll, it'll
be a challenge to figure out allof that stuff and will probably

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mean a lot less supply work forthe for the priests who are
stationed there. But um, but butwe also have extra retired
priests then who, who can stepin and fill some of those needs
as well.

Tim Stout (19:40):
Well, we'll follow the Paul kammas retired priests
in the States. Is he gonna staythere? Is he going to one of the
retired houses he's

gonna retire, retirement houses.

Tim Stout (19:51):
Keep peeking keep a company with Father Bob. Father
Bob and his prayers, right? Yes,whatever you've never been The
size of the cathedral with youcan't handle the cathedral or
the cathedral can't handle youwhich one is it?

mutual respect?

Tim Stout (20:12):
You got close Oh, what we were americlean for a
little while.

That's close may Queen actually it was well,
on the list to go the cathedralwas

Tim Stout (20:24):
must have been a long list.

There's a lot of stuff behind the scenes that we
don't see, you know.

Unknown (20:33):
Please

Tim Stout (20:36):
don't send me to the shotgun. So Michael shot. You
got it. So far, we'll let's talka little bit just about your
life. You grew up in Clay Countyand you know, as a Kentucky fan,
the only thing I know about ClayCounty is Homer Ritchie farmer.
But obviously, there's a lotmore going on in Manchester is

(21:00):
the county seat there. Is thatright? Is that? Is that where
you're from Manchester itself?

That's what our mailing address was. But I
was actually from about 20minutes outside of the city
limits. If that's Yeah, so Igrew up in Jared. I grew up at
the end of a holler basically.
So so we would always givepeople directions whenever the
pavement turns to gravel wherethe first driveway on the right,

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you can't see the house. Just goup the

Tim Stout (21:30):
hill and you'll find it. Does everybody here know
what a holler is? Steve, youknow what a holler is? Can you
define what a holler is? Sure.

So, a holler is the local pronunciation of a
hollow. So it's this the spacebetween two mountains that
there's a creek bottom there,and a road goes up, but it only
comes in from one direction. Sothere's an end to hauler. It's
not a through color.

Tim Stout (21:54):
You knew that.

All fishermen, fishermen and hunters hunters
that usually hunt and holler

Tim Stout (22:02):
because you can get the vantage point and holler
right you can actually see

them it's also your phone use you holler when
you grew up in the mountains.

Tim Stout (22:12):
So we were you. Were you a cradle Catholic? Was your
family Catholic?

Yeah, yeah.
So, so obviously, I don't soundlike I'm from the hills of
Eastern Kentucky. That's not Idon't really have the accent.
But that's because my father isfrom Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
And my mother is fromSpringfield, South Dakota. So
obviously, I grew up in thehills, Eastern Kentucky, right.

Tim Stout (22:36):
That's a story.

It is a story. So so my father between
college and graduate schooldecided you want to do some
mission work. And at the time,St. Anne's was run by the
Trinitarian missionaries. Sothey will put on like, young
adult things and VBS programsand all that stuff for the
community. And so I don't knowhow he got connected with that,

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but but he decided you want todo some mission work with them.
And so he came down, I think heended up spending. I think it
was about I think it was about ayear and that kind of made a
connection with with that area.
He knew people he liked itthere. And then he went to a
cradle Catholic, right. Okay,okay. Yeah, yeah, from a big

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family in, in Pittsburgh. And,and then he went to graduate
school for art. So he so he wasstudying art. He graduated from
Carnegie Mellon, in, inPittsburgh, and then he went to
Ohio University for graduateschool, but he wanted to do art,
not teach art. And so kind ofhalfway through the program was

(23:41):
like, this isn't really focusedon what I want to do. And so
it's like, they can get myscholarship to someone else. And
he dropped out of graduateschool.

Tim Stout (23:49):
That doesn't have very often doesn't mean you're
on scholarship.

Yeah, but but, you know, he wasn't really
interested in just having adegree he wanted to actually do
something with it, and not notteach but actually produce art.
And so he actually came back hewent back to Clay County and and
started working as like ahandyman, he worked in a
hardware store and still wasvery active in the in the church

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there. And my mother kind ofcoming from the opposite
direction was not a Catholic,she had kind of found her faith,
found a Christian faith incollege and decided that she was
she was also going to do somemission work. So she went to the
Redbird Mission Hospital as anurse. So one week, one of the

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nurses who worked down there whowas a Catholic, her car broke
down and she asked my mom ifshe'd be willing to drive her to
church. And so that's kind ofhow my mom and dad first met and
then the same I believe it wasthe same friend invited my dad
down to do some stuff with thewith the nurses down in red bird
and I kind of formed aconnection and throughout the

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rest seven weeks later, my dad

Tim Stout (25:00):
And the rest is history. But that

was the priests fault. He told my dad is
like, when are you going topropose? He's like, I've only
been dating for like, six weeks.
He's like, but if I know you,you'll wait too long and she'll
be like, he's never gonnapropose and just find somebody
else. And my dad's like, Well, Iknow she is the one. So who was
surprised?
I believe it was father. Whew.
But I mean, he was one of thetrinitarians. Right.

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But, but I might be wrong onthat. The chronology of priests
before my birth is a littleshaky.

Tim Stout (25:37):
Even the priests that I've had after my birth are a
little shaky. Can you rememberyour original pastor Archer
father Stucker

in St. Simon in June in Louisville. Nice.

Tim Stout (25:49):
Oh, he knows the st.
Edward and j town. I think itwas father Hamilton nor reason I
can remember that. Because hegot arrested one year for
protesting I thought I had anabortion clinic or something I
can't remember it was it was itwas something social justice. It
might have been death penaltyrelated or whatever. But that's,
that's how I remember that too.
So it was your pastor growingup? was your first one you

(26:11):
remember?

Well, the first one is father Lee, back in
Vietnam.

Tim Stout (26:15):
And in here would have been a father

was in Covington Torrington? How can
you not remember the guy livedthere for two years?

Tim Stout (26:27):
So who was your first pastor and at the mission in
there and say, Man,

I think the first pastor I remember is was
father Jerome stern.

Oh, the gray stone. That's right. Oh, yeah.

Tim Stout (26:41):
Was he a Trinitarian?
No, he was.

He's as tall as him taller.

He was only six for a good try.

Unknown (26:49):
How tall are you? six, eight. How tall are you?

Well, I used to be six, five and I've shrunk
through the years. So

Tim Stout (26:59):
six, eight. So some leads so that just everybody
always asks you do you playbasketball,

miniature golf sorta

high bar.

So being homeschooled, we never actually
like participated in inorganized sports I would do. I
did some summer camps and thatsort of thing. And I love
playing basketball growing upand you know, practiced all the
time convinced I was going to bean NBA player because I was so
tall and that I realized, oh,you're supposed to be able to
jump to be that's not really myjam.

You have the same disease I had.

I can get all the way off the ground. Well,

Tim Stout (27:37):
we have a clip here though. Dallas, please. If you
haven't listened to the showbefore, just because we're
talking about basketball. We'llturn this up. We'll see what
happens here. Let's see if I cando this.

Unknown (27:49):
For a second but the play they drill by 183 82 Dallas
Kelly right hand corner backoutside of my club. Not a big
deal on a baseline of timebefore Scott's gonna flip it
over it.

Tim Stout (28:09):
That's the best part.
Dallas Kelly.

I always say that was back when I could put my
arms over my head.

Tim Stout (28:19):
So, you know, y'all got something in common. You You
grew up in a town that producedone of the best basketball
players in the state ofKentucky, Richie farmer, I still
think so. And you playedbasketball so there you go.
Y'all got something in commonthere and you're both tall six,
eight, I still can't get overthat six, eight. So, so his
vestments won't fit you

depends on investments, you may want to
bring your

Musician (28:43):
own.

Tim Stout (28:45):
Bring Your Own out for sure.

He's not bad compared to follow Rambler might
Rambler?

Unknown (28:52):
Yeah,

he's 6011 his license plate? Yes. 611 Yeah, I
was helping 610 as opposed tonotice I was with him but at my
ordinary Shepherd, aka

at my ordination whenever it was like
the fraternal kiss of peacewhenever you're actually still
allowed to like touch each otherand stuff. He told me that he
was passing on the mantle ofhigh priest of the diocese

well when you are Dana Deacon I remember saying I
am no longer the tallest Deaconin rd

Tim Stout (29:27):
right Wow. So So you got your own album that you'll
bring in maybe our investmentswill look okay here cuz you're
coming to

visit with us?
Right? Right. 62 Sundays fromnow. Yeah.

Tim Stout (29:38):
So we've got a lot of stuff going on here. We got

and you're preaching right? We got it.
Okay. Yes, yeah,

I haven't prepared it yet. But

yes, in Italian, Italian

Unknown (29:50):
Spanish. Oh, you got well.

Tim Stout (29:55):
You know, we've we've had lots of, we've had lots of
languages in this parish. Weeven had French for a while
because we had Father, Dad gone.
He went he left the DerrickDerrick van dedeker. He was here
for a while. Little French,Vietnamese Spanish.

Van Decker isn't particularly French. That
sounds more like,

I don't know why he's German. But he was
joining the religious community.
Yeah, he's

Tim Stout (30:22):
pretty spoke French.
fluent. And

that's my stream.

Tim Stout (30:26):
And I could speak how many languages are you fluent?

fluent? one?

Unknown (30:33):
Which ones?

Kentucky. But I understand Italian Well, well
enough. I mean, like most of myeducation was in Italian, over
in Rome, like four out of thefive years. So you just

Tim Stout (30:51):
had to learn it. That was your immersion? Yeah,

I mean, I had six weeks of immersion. Well,
more than that, I had six weeksof immersion, and then another
four weeks of classes prior togoing to school in Italian. But,
but that's not the same asactually just like trying to
follow a professor who's justtalking in Italian. It was

(31:16):
always great whenever we had anAmerican professor who was
speaking in Italian because itmeant that he was speaking
English and Italian. And so likethe sentence structure made
perfect sense to all theAmericans and all the times. He
speaks Italian really weird.

Tim Stout (31:29):
I guess that's something that as an American,
we don't realize that when yougo to school in Rome, all the
classes are in Italian. Yeah,they're not in English. I

mean, they can't be right. Like, they're,
they're kind of threeuniversities that the Americans
attend for the STB program, andtwo of them are in Italian, and
one of them is in English. So atthe angelicum, the degree is
actually you can you can have anEnglish track and a Italian
track. So you can go and spend,you know, five years in Italy

(31:59):
and never take a class inItalian. And some do.

Tim Stout (32:03):
But you're still gonna get the language though,
right?

Depends on you. You can totally not. But
it's kind of a shame to do itthat way.

Tim Stout (32:11):
And then you're obviously gonna say mass in
Spanish for us. So Sure. So didyou. Did you have an immersion
experience with Spanish as well?

Yeah. So So part of the reason why Italian
is so poor is because I did fouryears of schooling in Italian,
and then did a two monthimmersion right after my
ordination in Spanish, and thentransferred universities to an
English speaking University. SoI never really got my Italian
back to where I actuallyseparated out my Spanish in

(32:40):
school. I mean, Spanish is thelanguage I'm actually going to
be using.

Tim Stout (32:47):
Yeah, yeah. So I mean, there's not a whole lot of
matches going on in Italianhere.

Not not many.

Tim Stout (32:53):
Are there any really had they're probably not.

basically have to bring your own missile?
Like, I could do it, right. LikeI could, I could celebrate mass
in Italian. And understand everyword I was reading, and I could
probably I could GoogleTranslate and homily and make it
happen, but it wouldn't begreat.

Tim Stout (33:16):
Google Translate.
That's what we made the try.

So the key is, yes, you have to be good
enough at the language

Tim Stout (33:23):
with you in order, you have to know something about
the language. Okay, so we'rescrewed.

I use Google Translate for my Spanish
families. But then I reread itand I'm like, yeah, that doesn't
make sense. And then I fix it.
Right? So it's kind of a it'skind of the first go through and
then you have to, you have toknow what makes you you have to
know the words well, and thesentence structure well enough
to make sense of it.

Tim Stout (33:45):
So I'm just curious, how does how does a kid get from
Clay County? to Rome? I mean,well, how does the bishop make a
decision that, you know, hey,we're gonna send this guy to
Rome? Because obviously, notevery priest goes to Rome, right

(34:06):
one and maybe 10 or 20? what'sthe what's the ratio you think?

depends a lot on the diocese. Honestly, like
some diocese really prioritizeit and most of their
seminarians, if not all of them,go to Rome. Others never send
seminarians. Right and, andLexington is on closer to the
end of not ever. Yeah, so Ithink we've had three guys that

(34:30):
were sent to Rome. Two of themhave survived ordination go

Rome always expecting diocese sent when I
was after ordination, underBishop, can anyone be sent to
Rome? I say what the hell go toRome for

Unknown (34:46):
actually what's I don't speak Italian. I speak
Vietnamese.

So he wanted me to study canon law. Right? And I
say what to how to canon law youwant to be sent me let me study
liturgy. So he wanted me send tosend Angelica And I say no, I
have a program he in Chicago. Iwant to go to that one. But he
didn't go to Rome. I don't wantto go to Rome and I want to go
to Rome. I say a ministry topeople in America the United

(35:11):
started liturgy in America.
Yeah. So he full. So I that'swhy I went study liturgical
study in Chicago.

Tim Stout (35:19):
Very good. So you studied sacred theology, which
is? Explain that to us. What,how's that different from this?
Yeah. So So is it justterminology or,

in part, right, so the part of it is the
fact that you're studying in adifferent country. So the
academic system is different.
And so, so the the US CCBrequires four years of graduate
level theology prior toordination. Because like an M
div program, is a four yearprogram, which is what you got,

(35:57):
right? And then, but the problemis, in Italy, that's a three
year program, but it's it does.
And the reason it's a three yearprogram is because the focus is
on like, the theology side muchmore strictly. So it's a lot
more dogmatic theology, churchhistory, like very much academic

(36:21):
courses. So you would never havea course like preaching, or how
to celebrate the sacraments,like those kind of practical
applications of it. So that'sinteresting. Well, it's because
that's the it's it's an academicdegree, right, rather than a
practical degree. And so andthat's not to say like MDF

(36:43):
wouldn't have those thoseacademic parts and right, but
it's it, it's just kind of thefocus is different. Sure. So so
not everyone in my in my classesover there would be would be pre
strike. A lot of them werereligious sisters, or lay
students who were kind ofgetting a theology degree, that
would be much more focused onthings like teaching, rather

(37:05):
than kind of being able topreach and teach within a parish
context.

Tim Stout (37:10):
Yeah, because if you're getting a theology
degree, and you're notreligious, you're teaching.
Yeah, pretty much.

I mean, not always, like we had a we had a
lawyer from Rome, who was justlike, I want to know more about
my faith. And so he enrolled asa student at the Gregorian and
was there for all of our classesand just, you know, learning
theology

Tim Stout (37:30):
was I had some spare time. He was

just just cut out the repos those in the
gelada Jada.

Tim Stout (37:43):
So your your spent, how many years in Rome, then?

So almost spot it would have would have
been five academic years if theCOVID hadn't hit.

Tim Stout (37:52):
So that's right, that I'll happen right at the end for
you. Because you had come backin 2019. We were talking about
this before we went on onlinefor ordination. We we were both
there. Right. And that wasreally probably the last normal
ordination. Yeah. To at the endof 2009 or June of 2019. And
then COVID hits and you're inRome finishing up. Yeah.

Yeah. So. So I guess January, is whenever you
know, people start talking aboutthe Coronavirus and like, Oh,
you know, it's, you know, haveyou heard about the Coronavirus?
Yeah, whatever. And then then itkind of the, the major, I guess
the first major European spotwas in northern Italy. Right.
Right. That became much moretopic of conversation. So, so we

(38:38):
got we got sick of talking aboutit before anyone else.

Tim Stout (38:42):
But then, it sounds like Ground Zero. I mean,
outside of Wuhan, and yeah, inChina. You know, Italy was in
the news a lot.

It was it was right. And but it was mostly
northern Italy, so outside ofTurin was kind of the the hot
spot there. And partiallybecause they have it's a fairly
industrial area, and they have afair a fair number of factories
that have a lot of Chineseimmigrants working in them. So
there was a lot of back andforth particularly from that
area of China, which kind ofbrought

Tim Stout (39:13):
brought a lot of carriers. carriers. Yep.

Yeah. And Italy also has a has a
difficulty in the sense thatit's a very old population.
their birth rates areparticularly high. So it's an
age population. And it's muchmore of a smoking culture. So
the you know, for lung diseasesthat's that's not good. And it's
very much a publictransportation culture as well.

(39:36):
So

Tim Stout (39:38):
but they've got good food and good wine.

But but it made it that much harder for for
the spread of the Coronavirus.

Tim Stout (39:49):
So you're scheduled, you're scheduled to finish up
June of that year but so COVIDis blowing up. Your your March
rolls around and you're probablythinking Oh,

yeah, so well, it was more like February,
February was whenever we kind oflike, got all of the, you know,
school can't be in personanymore. Like, try to figure
this out. So then we so we had aweek where basically just
nothing happened. It's like,everybody go home, we're not
having class. Maybe this willpass quick. And, and then they

(40:26):
had to figure it out. So Iprobably it was probably two or
three weeks of online classes.
And it just kept getting worseand worse and more intense and
more global and all of that. Andso it would guess it was mid
March. And so right at thebeginning, it was basically, you
know, don't avoid largegatherings. And then it was it
got strict enough that it waslike you can really only go out

(40:49):
into the city if you're like,buying food or whatever. But you
have to have a paper saying,This is why you're out and it
has to be signed by you know,someone. So it was Yeah, it was
pretty intense.

Tim Stout (41:04):
Yeah, it sounds sounds crazy. Yeah. I wrote. I
was going back through some ofmy social media posts. And I
actually remember sayingsomething like, my over under on
the weeks for the Coronavirus,was like six I thought six
weeks, you know, we'll be backto somewhat normal. Wrong. 106.
Yeah. So when does the decisionget made that you got to get out

(41:29):
of town?

Well, so there was one day, I think it
was like the maybe the 19th ofMarch or the 20th of March,
where the US State Departmentbasically sent out a recall
order. And I had been incommunication with Bishop Stowe
prior to that basically saying,you know, I still feel pretty
safe. Like, we haven't had anycases in the house rooms really

(41:51):
not that hot of a spot rightnow. We're just sort of
continuing on, and it seemspretty legitimate. But then the
US State Department basicallyput out an advisory that people
who are overseas should comehome now or prepare to shelter
in place.

Tim Stout (42:11):
Yeah, because getting back was was fixing to get very
difficult. Yeah,

because they were they were starting to
cancel a lot of internationalflights and put a lot more
restrictions on those. And, andso I had had a few friends who
before that had kind of beenlike, if we're doing virtual
class, I'm going, I'm going backto the States until this blows
over. I'd rather be thereanyway. But there was a good
core of us who were sort oflike, I will say, you know,

(42:37):
what, what's the what, what arewe waiting for? What's the
standard? By which we're goingto try to judge this, like, this
would have to be this number ofcases? Is it this level of
restrictions? You know, thatkind of thing? Is it? We're
going to finish this semestervirtually? And so there's no
point in staying here? Or is it?
The only way I'm getting home ison a State Department flight?
Yeah,

Tim Stout (42:57):
I mean, there's a big eventually. That's what what
happened? I mean, maybe not foryou, but for in general, in a
lot of places. That's how peopleget home.

Yeah. So I actually went to bed the night
that the the night that thatissue, or that that directive
was sent out before I heard it.
So I woke up the next morning,though, people in the hall
talking about, you know, youknow, what are you going to do?
Are you going to look into flysince like, these were all the
people who had been like, Nah,I'm gonna stay here, it's gonna
be fine. You know?

Tim Stout (43:26):
So you knew it was getting real now?

Unknown (43:27):
Like, all right,

well, well, my and my standard was, if if
the US government, because oneof the things we followed as far
as like terrorist, you know,terrorist levels for traveling
internationally in Europe, like,you look to the State Department
and say, you know, what, what istheir advisory? Right? Like, if
it's a Americans probablyshouldn't go there, you probably

(43:49):
should have a good reason to go.
And if it's just to see thecountry and probably isn't a
good reason. So I kind ofdecided, you know, if the State
Department says, Go home,that's, that's good enough for
me. And so that was that was mystandard. And so, but the
difficulty is, like, whenever Iwake up, you know, at seven or
eight o'clock, Italy time, thatmeans it's like 2am us time.

(44:14):
Right? I think it was 1am.
Because we were in daylightsavings in the US wasn't yet.
So. So it's like, I can't makethis decision. Just autonomous,
I need to talk to the bishop. Solooking at all the options and
figuring that out. And sobasically, as soon as I had
some, probably about 6am, thistime, which is about noon, over

(44:38):
there, you know, sent and sentan email and said like, Hey, I
really need to talk because ofthe State Department stuff. I
think it's time to come home.
And so we talked probably aboutmaybe two in the afternoon. And,
and bishopstone was like yeah, Ithink I think it's time that he

Tim Stout (44:57):
sent the corporate jet for you.

Unknown (45:00):
was in the shop.
It was, it was inthe crystal ball.
Shop.

And so, so like 2pm I got the Go ahead. 6pm
I ordered my tickets. And 9am myflight left the next morning. So
you

Tim Stout (45:20):
packed everything up?

Yeah, I got two hours of sleep that night.

Tim Stout (45:23):
And you haven't been back since?

No, no, yeah, it was pretty intense.
Fortunately, I had been kind ofworking my travel to bring stuff
home every time and bring backempty suitcases. So I had, so I
came and visited my family forordination, I brought back a
fair amount of stuff. And then Icame and visited around

(45:46):
Christmas and brought back afair amount of stuff. So I was
basically gonna have an extratwo suitcases to check whenever
I came back, but I wasn't gonnahave to ship anything. So I was
able to leave a couple of boxesin the middle of my floor. I
think I had three boxes maybe.
And just everything was in a boxand ready to be shipped out. But
I was able to take everythingelse with me. And so it helped

(46:07):
that I already kind of strippeddown a lot of might

Tim Stout (46:13):
be kind of like I had to flee the country emergency
evacuation. Yeah. sounds scary.
You know,

don't you think? No, because his case is
different than mine. There's nobomb shooting, that

Tim Stout (46:27):
we're talking about a global pandemic, not a not a
communist revolution. There aresome subtle differences between
the two. Just just small. So youget back home, you finish up
your schoolwork. You're stilllooking towards ordination. And
I guess the realizations hittingyou that this is not going to be

(46:48):
a regular ordination.

Well, so it actually so I was already a
priest at that time. Right. So,so 2019 Okay, what's my
ordination? So? So I guess goingback to the to the degrees,
right? So part of the problemis, we're still bound by the
CCB, even though the degreesdon't match up. Right? So all of
this stuff, it's not part of thedegree I still need, right?

(47:10):
Like, I still need to learn howto preach, I still need to learn
how to celebrate the sacraments.
So that takes so that kind ofbecomes what do you need that
for? Some people say, but yeah,

Tim Stout (47:21):
some people would say that there's some deacons and
priests out there that don'tknow how to preach still, right?

Unknown (47:27):
Some sob.

So some would say or some don't know.

Tim Stout (47:33):
Well, we hear that all the time. I should say we
hear that people don't like whatwe preach about. So that
happens.

So I get to enter into that group,
absolutely.

Tim Stout (47:44):
Bring your A game.

That's a different, different one. People
opposed to what we preach, butthose do not know how to pray.
That's true.

Unknown (47:52):
That's very, very true.
I agree with that.

And then it will always love the visiting
priests because they're like, hecan just say yes to whatever and
it doesn't matter if I don'tlike him. Well, whatever. That's
true. He's gone next week. Ifthat's true,

Tim Stout (48:05):
until you come back as part of an assignment,
apparently, so down the road, soso you had to learn how to you
had to learn how to preach andhow to do your what's the right
word for that? Were

Unknown (48:18):
you practical?
practicum

Tim Stout (48:20):
Yes. So

yeah, so that was all part of like the
formation that happened at theseminary, then so rather than it
being part of the classwork, itwas sort of like our Thursday
evenings, we always you know,maybe it could have been like
pastoral counseling. So webasically had much like, much
like st minor has like their jterm, we had like a summer term
so we would get back four weeksbefore school would start so

(48:46):
basically on the same scheduleas the people going to classes
here because the because theEuropean school year is shifted
back so it starts like inOctober October 1 and goes
through June as opposed to likeSeptember 1 through May which
makes it really awkward becauseyour your Christmas vacation is

(49:07):
right before finals. Which is apain. Bad idea. I don't know. I
don't know who came up with

Tim Stout (49:14):
that's not a problem anymore for

Unknown (49:16):
you. Thankfully,

Tim Stout (49:18):
thankfully now we gain

Unknown (49:20):
questions on Facebook their doubts, no we do not

Tim Stout (49:22):
nothing about your you or your on your phone there
to you getting

you get we do have one comment. We love your
sermons. You all do a great job.
I don't know if she was talkingto banks.

Tim Stout (49:34):
Or banks. Wow, that's a good one. Thanks. Well,
usually that would be Steve'smom that would comment about
those kind of things. So she's,she's a longtime listener as
well. So so you get youeventually get all that stuff.
You go to Lawrenceburg, right.
Harrisburg, Harrisburg.

Yeah, so, so basically the timeline was then,
so after ordination, I washalfway through it, too. Your
degree, so I finished a threeyear degree and then I have to
have an extra year of theologyin order to fulfill what the
expectation of the bishops is.
So a lot of people will just doa license program because it's
only one extra year. And thenyou have a degree that you can

(50:14):
actually teach with. So like, Icould teach at the university
level, basically with STL.
degree, the sacred theologylicentiate. But it's, it's it's
roughly the equivalent of amaster's degree. It's somewhere
in between a master's degree anda doctorate. It's not a terminal
degree like a doctorate is, butit requires most of the

(50:36):
classwork that a doctorate inthe US would. So but not nearly
as much writing and research.

Tim Stout (50:42):
I think it's enough.
Right? I mean, don't you thinkit's enough?

Well, there enough weight to get the STD
that's been even bigger. Oh,wait, one of the people that
understand the Catholic

Church, all about we take Asian

education, we take it very seriously. None of
these have asked stuff. Andpeople just forget, like, this
guy came out. He is like, fullrank.

He's like, super educated. Yes.

Unknown (51:14):
From the holla.

Tim Stout (51:20):
I know, I'm from Louisville, but I, I lived in a
rural part of Louisville.

So why you pursue more theology? Yeah.

Good question. I didn't. So what
happened was, what it was, wasthe so I started. So after
finishing after finishing thegeneral theology degree, right,
I had to find another degree todo in two years, and at least

(51:51):
for at least one year, but kindof depending on what the diocese
needs were in the bishopsdesire, it could have been one,
it could be actually finishingthe degree, both both are fairly
common, just sort of dependingon the diocese, and the
individual. So I talked with thebishop and basically he asked,
you know, what are youinterested in? Like, what do you
want to study? Because it's hardto really pour yourself into

(52:15):
higher studies if you don'tcare.

Unknown (52:17):
Yeah,

yeah. So So kind of my top, my top two were
scripture, and marriage andfamily. And so and, and you kind
of the one I really wanted to dowas marriage and family. So I
actually so I did my first yearat the john paul, the second
Institute for marriage andfamily, which was another
Italian University and reallykind of that emphasis on and

(52:43):
incorporate a lot of moraltheology, right, like it if you
had to assign it to one of thosedegrees it probably would have
been moral theology. But it hadit was very broad program like
instead of, I guess, instead ofhaving a really deep knowledge
of a of a particular area, likea lot of degrees were focused in
it much more was trying to bringin everything that pertained and

(53:08):
helps to understand so I haddegrees in psychology, I had
degrees. You know, insacramental theology, I had to
Earth sorry, not degreesclasses, you know, the
sacramental theology, pastoraltheology, like a lot of a lot of
philosophy, and, you know, bothphilosophy and theology, it was
it was a pretty philosophy heavyprogram, right. And partially

(53:30):
because that's kind of areflection of john paul, the
second thought, kind of bringingin a lot of those different
areas to bear on on marriage andfamily. But it right after, so
that was the year leading up tomy ordination, then I was
ordained and went down toGuatemala for a Spanish

(53:50):
Immersion. While I was there,the there were some major
changes to to the program, thefaculty and the institution as a
whole. Right. So it wassomething like three quarters of
the faculty turned over at thejohn paul, the second Institute
over the course of a summer.
That's always

Tim Stout (54:12):
what a student wants to hear. Oh, your professors are
gone. Yeah.

Hello. Yes.
And, and just kind of what wasrequired for the degree was
rewritten to the point where itwasn't entirely clear whether or
not like, the statement was, youcan finish under the old
program, but the requirements ofthe new program indicated that
unless they made an exception.

(54:42):
You couldn't actually fulfillthose requirements, because of
how many how many credits youneeded, via seminars and how
many seminars you were actuallyallowed that okay,

Tim Stout (54:51):
that would be horrible.

Yeah. So, so I mean, all of the all of the
universities in Rome kind of sawwhat was happening and a couple
of them responded, they'd bewilling to take basically all of
our credits. So I had oneclassmate who was from the North
American college. And both of uswere kind of interested in, in
switching over into differentprograms. And so, one of us went

(55:17):
to Santa Croce and I went, so hewent to Santa Croce, and I went
to the angelicum. And both ofboth of those universities were
great and basically justaccepted all of our credits, and
kind of set out a path for us tofinish a degree in moral
theology. So it's, it wasslightly broader. But since most
of our classes kind of pertainedto moral theology in some way,

(55:42):
they were able to count a lot ofthose more so than another
discipline would have to dothat.

Tim Stout (55:48):
To us, this father, Steve have more theology to has,

he is opposed to

Unknown (55:53):
it. Yeah. So

you actually did a lot of work on a bioethics
degree from Regina apostolorum,I believe,

Tim Stout (56:01):
because of his medical background.

Right. And that's kind of a interesting
degree in that. Normally,bioethics would fit under moral
theology as well. But Reginaapostolorum, actually developed
a degree that was specificallybioethics so much more focused.
Instead of just being an STL. Inmoral theology, it's I think
it's a bi o l, or something likethat. A bioethics licensure.

Tim Stout (56:26):
Well, the church has, has these degrees all have their
own acronyms. Why do we have? Wehave good ones? I mean,
seriously, you gotta you gottahave your game together. You
gotta have your game togetherknow what all these degrees are?
Yeah. So you get to work withMr. Mike Allen a lot then. Huh?

I've done some work with him. Yeah. So
Father, Father, Steve was readyto, to let the his advisory
capacity on the NFP board, go tosomebody else. And he
recommended me so I've done somework with them. And, and
certainly with learning how todo marriage prep. And Mike is
very, very involved with thatstuff.

Tim Stout (57:03):
So he's Oh, Mike loves it. Yeah. That's his
thing. For sure. Right.

Yeah. Well, you have a great addition to our
diocese.

Unknown (57:11):
Absolutely.

We had a question come in. I heard father Wheeler
did a great job on a talk abouthuman sexuality at the
cathedral. Is there any way Ican listen to it again? It was
it recorded or?

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. So that was on
Tuesday. And and basically whatwe're doing with with that talk
is I have, I have kind of theunedited version. So I'm going
through and seeing if I put myfoot in my mouth, and if I need
to write retractions, or put inlike a slide to explain what I
was trying to say, and then tryto put up some of the references
to things I was I was doing. SoI'm kind of going through it

(57:47):
right now. And hopefully,that'll be posted by the
beginning of next week. Kind ofon the on the Christ the King.

Tim Stout (57:55):
We never we never had it like that, dude, we just, we
just take it all. I mean, thisguy never sticks his foot as
well. However, we stuck

in it in it.

Tim Stout (58:08):
We have we do have a good time. Right? I mean, it's

Well, I mean, it is a it is a it's contentious
enough and, and difficultenough, right? Like I don't want
to, I don't want to leave. I'mokay with people realizing that
I make a fool of myself attimes, but I don't want to leave
them with the wrong understand.

Tim Stout (58:26):
Right, what I was trying it's a it's an intense
topic. And let's face it, if ifall Catholics believe what the
church taught about moraltheology, natural family
planning, very human sexualhuman sexuality, yeah, the world
would be a lot better place. TheBreakdown. I mean, I still
contend that most of every issuethat we're dealing with as a

(58:48):
country right now, is the resultof the breakdown of the family
completely across the board.

That was honestly one of the biggest
reasons for why I wanted tostudy marriage and family,
right, because I see that as, asone of the central issues in
society today, right is how toact and it's difficult to to not
have seen a good functionalloving family had tried to build
one of your own.

Tim Stout (59:15):
And that's one of the reasons good segue cuz we were
starting a marriage ministryhere at St. Francis and john,
just think we've got a meetinghere in a week or so. The other
one, so now it's notations.
Yeah, no, okay. That's, that'sgood. That's great. You can come
out and talk to her to our groupthat's just really starting up.
The Conklin's, Barbara and Ericare kind of the chairpersons I

(59:36):
guess we're like you appointedus like the chaplains or
something of that group orsomething. So we may sub that
out to you, Father, Wheeler, soyou can come talk to us

what's kind of the, I guess the mission of
the marriage ministry? Is it isit to get couples together to
for mutual support andedification

Tim Stout (59:57):
it there's a social element to it, but there's also
an Education element to it toabsolutely, you know, to really
kind of reinforce what theChurch teaches and the
importance of that, but alsoknow that the, you know, the
success of the family unit hasto have some social element to
it. Right. And I think it's acombination of the two of those.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (01:00:16):
But I think the P stuff when I talked to the
Conklin is the level ofunderstanding of it, I think the
level that you can contribute toa lot it understand what is
marriage, you know, for us aspriests, you know, like or not,
we understand what hispriesthood is, before we be in a
priests Sure, marriage, you gotsix months, most of time six

(01:00:39):
month plan for the wedding gown,instead of understand the whole
theological behind it, you know,my Allah does a great job as a
dicey. I think we give a lot ofcredence, but the the casting
support as time goes on a coupleneeds, that that intellectual
level, we've extremelyintellectual culture right. Now.

Tim Stout (01:01:01):
I mean, you know, we, one of the things we talked
about from the marriageperspective is that, you know,
in today's in today's culture,you know, global culture,
secular culture, there's thisview of marriage, and there's
this view of life that's kind oftaken through the lens of social
media, or an unrealistic view ofreally what's going on in

(01:01:24):
people's marriages, even oncethat from the surface looks
successful. Right? You only seethe good things that are posted
on facebook, facebook, so youthink, hey, marriage has to be
perfect. There's no, there's nofriction in a marriage there.
It's always just beautiful.
Yeah. But that's, that'sunrealistic.

Fr. David Wheeler (01:01:44):
Right. And honestly, I think that's a big
part of how much mental healthdifficulties we have, right?
Because there's that expectationthat everyone else is doing
great. Why is my life inshambles? Instead of realizing
that if you actually got to knowpeople, and and we had real
community there, you wouldrealize that other people share

(01:02:06):
those struggles and there wassupport out there, right, like
you could support each other inthose struggles. Whereas if our
lens for understanding people isjust like, I want to, I want to
make it look like my life isgreat, right. So here's, here's
a picture of me smiling. Andhere's a picture of my family on
vacation. And we're all laughingand having a good time because

(01:02:26):
we thought the camera was out.

Tim Stout (01:02:29):
Yeah, but on the drive down to the beach, we were
ready to kill each other.
Exactly. Yeah. That neverhappens. Every day it happens
every day. Hey, Father Willard.
Thanks for for coming in. Canyou believe we've been talking
for an hour? Can you believethat? It's a gift. So we're
gonna we're gonna take a smallbreak here. We're gonna do save

(01:02:50):
the day and then we're going tocome back and and wrap things
up. You ready? Steve? Overthere.

Unknown (01:02:56):
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always God's plans. Thatcertainly was the case for Rose
venturini. Born in Italy in1656. She saw her future in

(01:03:16):
marriage. Following theunexpected death of her fiance
she entered a convent. Afteronly a few months, it became
necessary for her to return hometo care for her newly widowed
mother. Meanwhile, Rose found away to nourish herself and
others spiritually at home. Sheinvited women of the
neighborhood to recite therosary with her, a spiritual

(01:03:38):
bond developed among them. Overtime rose her the call to become
a teacher in the world ratherthan returned to the convent.
She proved to be a born teacher.
The free school for girls sheopened in 1685 was a success. As
her reputation grew. She wascalled to help train teachers
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Rome. Following her death inRome in 1728. A number of
miracles were attributed to her.
Rose venturini was beatified in1952. There's more about the
saints along with inspirationand Catholic resources at our
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From Franciscan media. This hasbeen st at the de

Tim Stout (01:04:24):
St. Rose. While we were listening to that,
apparently we were looking atthe weather for Sunday. Yes.

Dallas Kelley (01:04:33):
Now they're talking Sunday gust I heard 3540
miles an hour but when exactlythat's going to hear that won't
happen

Tim Stout (01:04:39):
when you're here father, David Wheeler, we will
make sure is the extendedextended forecast. Sunny and 75
and no wind. Just keep yourhomily. Just have two versions
of your homily. The greatwhether Holly can be you know,
as long as you want it to be aslong as it's less than 12
minutes, right? If it's a ifit's if it's 12 degrees outside,

(01:05:04):
raining, or

what's the what's the coldest we have masses? You
may remember

three degrees.

Tim Stout (01:05:10):
Is it three degrees?
Christmas Christmas Eve. Yeah,it was code. Short homily when
it's code, not for us where thesnow was going left to right.
Steve was out there. How was itSteve? It was cold when it was
very, very, very cold. But itwas. It was very picturesque.
Yeah, Christmassy, the snowblowing.

Unknown (01:05:31):
Like a snow globe.

Tim Stout (01:05:33):
Exactly. I can't wait to do it again this year. No.
Hopefully we will be back inback in the church by then. So
probably we're Thanks forcoming. We're gonna have you
back. You know, we're when we'regonna have you back for mass.
But, you know, as part of thismarriage ministry, I think it's
a good idea to have him back.
And, you know, I tell all these,you guys are still on the

(01:05:54):
honeymoon, right? You've onlybeen ordained a couple years. So
you're still in the honeymoon.
But we want to have you back.
When you get off the honeymoon.
safe. You're still smiling.

So that's good. Yeah. Anytime I can come
and talk to about myself as agood.

Tim Stout (01:06:12):
Hey, folks. Next show is may 21. We may do some
recorded shows here in thefuture. We're working on some
things with Deacon Gary RutaMiller from last last show. Just
trying to get some guests andthings. I think we should have
father mark. On Mark Bentley.
ordains. Same time you wereright. Father otter will be

(01:06:32):
good. My father Steve Robertswill be a good one, too. We
haven't we haven't had him onthe show. So if you have
suggestions for potentialspoilers, spoilers. We had him
out here for a show somewhere.
Oh, it was over at the Mexicanrestaurant. He came out did a

(01:06:53):
talk. That's been a while ago.
Oh, brother, Steve. Oh, Steve.
Oh, yeah. That's probably whenhe was here. Right. He because
he was excited here for a coupleyears. So he was your helper,
because you only need help helpsporadically. But if you've got
suggestions for guest, we wantto know same with you, Father
Wheeler, if you have somebodythat you think would be a good
guest, whether it's person hasan expertise in a topic or

(01:07:15):
whether they're just a person weshould know. Right? So for you,
we should know you becauseyou're one of the newest priests
in the diocese. So let us know.
Also, we asked you to go to ssFj.org ssfj.org that's how you
can support our ministries here.
You know, you can give to justabout everything that we do

(01:07:38):
online. And we need yoursupport. That's how the Catholic
Church works. So y'all gotanything else?

That's it for me.

Tim Stout (01:07:50):
Father, Wheeler, could you give us your blessing
before to close the show?

Certainly.
The Lord be with you and withyour mighty God bless you, the
Father, the Son, and the HolySpirit.

Tim Stout (01:07:59):
A may Amen. Hey, until the next show in two
weeks. I'm Deacon Tim.

I'm taking Dallas by the linguine for the David
Wheeler. Go in peace.

Tim Stout (01:08:09):
Good night, everybody.

Night, everybody. Thank you.

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