September 29, 2021 • 58 mins
It's been a minute......... On this episode we discuss current events in the Church and what is driving these drastic changes in our faith; also we finish up our discussion on the person of Jesus Christ. Great discussion that spurred a lot of texts and future emails and comments online. We think you will enjoy the show.
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with the deacons. I'm Deacon TimStout,
Dallas Kelley (01:52):
I'm Deacon Dallas Kelly,
Fr. Linh Nguyen (01:55):
I'm fatherly when we all
Tim Stout (01:57):
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we just need to adapt a littlebit and be a little bit more
impatient. Or maybe we need tolook at better internet browser
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we'll get on that but hey,there's a lot going on the
Catholic world these days haveyou all been paying attention?
Dallas Kelley (02:24):
A little bit yeah, so
Tim Stout (02:26):
this this is my bookends here the US
Dallas Kelley (02:29):
I've been busy has been out of town so you know
how that goes. I got to work alittle harder.
Tim Stout (02:37):
We'll get to that just a second. Okay. Because
Because I had I had a visitingpriests this weekend. So we'll
talk a little bit about thathere in just a second. But in
the interim, you know, Catholicworld us CCB issues a memo out
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that they're concerned overtransgender males getting into
the seminary or religious lifewow wow. We'll talk about that
in a second. Then the pope put alittle statement about
everybody's favorite Catholicnews channel founded by Mother
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Angelica e wt n indirectly
Dallas Kelley (03:22):
yeah he didn't mention the letters
Tim Stout (03:24):
he didn't say the name popular up very popular
conservative president use theword conservative either we get
a direct quote if we need to.
And then the bishop in KansasCity Bishop Finn tells National
Catholic reporter to stop usingthe word Catholic in their name.
They're ignoring so what theheck is going on in this world?
Fr. Linh Nguyen (03:51):
going on with the Catholic Church
Tim Stout (03:53):
Yeah, that's all Catholic Stuff we if we have to
talk about what's going on wasthat a rhetorical question Are
Dallas Kelley (03:59):
you really want to know what's going on?
Tim Stout (04:00):
Yeah, what's going on?
Dallas Kelley (04:03):
I don't know. A lot I mean, it's I wish somebody
would pass canon law we can noyou know like it discipline. You
know, like eating meat onFriday. You can't use Catholic
Can I use social media? When wehave a whole lot more peace,
come on.
Tim Stout (04:22):
We just wouldn't know what was going on. It would
still be going on but
Dallas Kelley (04:25):
we wouldn't know about it. Yeah, but we have a
whole lot more peace.
Tim Stout (04:29):
So did you all see the memo from the CCB? I sent it
to you was it you said it washard to read though laundry?
Yeah.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (04:34):
I know the Archbishop though. Yeah, he
taught me moral, moral theology,what theology? Basically, Stacie
wasn't
Dallas Kelley (04:43):
asking for was a tan from now on give DNA test or
Tim Stout (04:47):
I think it was a recommendation Yeah, that they
do DNA test going into theseminary. I mean,
Dallas Kelley (04:53):
because they it was saying like, they have
caught some right. Yeah,
Tim Stout (04:57):
they didn't. They didn't specify quantity or
anything like Like that, but youknow if the US CCB sends out a
letter to all the bishops, yeah,something's happening. Yeah,
they just not they're not. Thebishops just don't strike me as
somebody that's going to be preemptive. They're responding to
something. Dude, would you agreewith that? Yes. But I mean, how
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would you feel if you were aseminarian, and they want you to
do a DNA test?
Fr. Linh Nguyen (05:24):
It would be fun.
Tim Stout (05:26):
Or even a deacon.
Right? I
Dallas Kelley (05:27):
mean, theoretically, right? If I was
didn't have anything to worryabout. It wouldn't bother me.
Yeah.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (05:33):
But it's all come down to the proper
interview. Right? It's tough toassess that. I remember when I
was at mundelein seminary,that's a first question the
interview you and I learned thatwere originally they said, what
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are your sexual orientation? Isee. What do you mean, but women
orientation? so far? faster?
Hickey say, Do you like girl?
Oh, no problem.
Dallas Kelley (06:10):
We had to go through psychological would you
call it what would you call it?
valuation? valuations. Yeah. Andthe wife had to go in there with
you and everything.
Tim Stout (06:21):
Yeah, I mean, it didn't mean yours was probably
much more stringent than ours.
And yours was more than one.
Right? Right. But it didn'tstrike me as one of the strong
suits of the program. Right? Itdidn't feel like, hey, this was
good. Uh, this was good to weedout bad apples. I felt like we
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were checking a box. Really? Imean, and I think I think a lot
of guys felt that way. There was30. What 35? Is, whatever the
number was a bunch of us at thetime. Yeah. And, you know, I'm
a, I'm a firm believer that ifif, if a process isn't leading
somebody out at that level,where there's 35 people going
through, and I'm not saying thepsychological part, just the
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whole process, then, what areyou doing? Why are you doing the
process? The likelihood thateverybody gets through the
psychological evaluation to meat that level, but you're
talking about one or two people,maybe so 35
Fr. Linh Nguyen (07:19):
but that, I think that there is a deeper
question in this whole process.
And the process itself, I'mtrying to say here, remember the
time during Benedict 16 therewas a document he put out in
regarding to almost sexual inthe priesthood, he questioned
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about the the affected in theindelible mark of his
ordination, right wasn't aboutthat and that was also what I
strong disciplinary uponseminary, do not accept
homosexual seminary as died somelens reflect upon sexual scandal
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that we have because right now,Catholic still tried to study
that intently a correlation hegot to the data Well, Mark is
interesting when I don'tremember there was a case when
in the seminary, you know,ethical class. And this case
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actually was is was real. Sothere was a seminarian ordain,
become a priest. And it turnsout, he, ci, as a sex change, it
was a she has a section tobecome a he, and then he joined
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to seminary and became priests.
So the question about hisinfallibility of his theological
ordination there you go, that'swhat they're talking about.
Right? And the answer was no, hecan. He can be ordained they can
cannot they cannot not not beordained. Um, so
Dallas Kelley (09:09):
because she's a female is the reason why she
Fr. Linh Nguyen (09:14):
doesn't matter how much you change. So you're
still still a female because Godinnate, ordained you to become
that Faker. But in thepriesthood, ordination is not
the role of the function, butthe character of the personhood
what you got preordained you tobe you know, all this thing that
right now people show all overthe place, right? I feel I feel
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like being a female today, sotherefore, I'm a female. Yeah.
But but in Catholic theology iscompletely different. That's why
kind of interesting when yousent me that, granted is
probably there somewhere alongthe line, but it I think, is
touched deeper in the theologyof The orientation itself that
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that important,
Tim Stout (10:03):
the prop the process?
Yeah. I mean, that's typicallywhat happens in any institution
in the church should not beexempt from that. The process is
break down, right there. They'renot as efficient or effective as
they they should be could beand, and as a result is a human
institution, right? I mean, Imean, the church is not
infallible, right. So, you know,we have these issues. What
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happens? You and I talked aboutthis, what, when we talked on
the phone the other day? Whathappens to all the people that
have received or thought theywere receiving sacraments
scenario? I mean, it just opensup a whole lot of questions, the
validity
Fr. Linh Nguyen (10:46):
of that, you know, the language that we, in
training, we use deeptheological language, right? Or
canonical language validity onyour
Tim Stout (10:55):
back, van, listen, listen, listen.
Dallas Kelley (10:58):
But it would fall under the same member about a
year ago, the gentleman, thepriest found out he wasn't
baptized, right? I have to goback and all the people he's,
you know, received things thatonly a priest can do,
Tim Stout (11:11):
right? baptism wouldn't be one of them. So but
Dallas Kelley (11:15):
confirmation confirmation, but those masses
right now, nobody received theEucharist For how long? You
know,
Fr. Linh Nguyen (11:24):
doing, you know, all of that. And then I
think it brings an interestingpoint right? Before for common,
Catholic, not have a chance toreally well, you know, discuss
about that, you know, when youtalk about the indelible mark,
of a character of a priest, andit does high standard, you know,
then just a function. Mostpeople see praise, okay, he do
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mass, but it's not, is it right,the lot more in that spiritual
consummation of that spirit, sodifferent.
Tim Stout (11:57):
So go read the press release, or go see the who broke
that whispers broke thatactually our friend, Rocco
palmo, we had on the show we hadon the show last year, broke, he
broke that somebody leaked thememo to him, and he posted it up
on social media man,
Dallas Kelley (12:17):
whistleblower, they'll probably be in trouble
now. He'll get fired somewheredown the line.
Tim Stout (12:23):
And then the whole I guess the Pope was traveling,
traveling back from Slovenia, Ithink is where he was right.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (12:29):
Right. Talk without to George,
Dallas Kelley (12:30):
was he on a plane again,
Tim Stout (12:31):
he was on a plane. We need to keep the pope off the
plane, start taking
Dallas Kelley (12:35):
trains.
Tim Stout (12:38):
But it was I thought it was pretty interesting. I did
do a deep dive in social mediaabout this topic. And you have
you have, you know, these, theJesuits who be considered a
little liberal, and theconservatives all kind of going
back and forth about this. And,you know, the Pope said,
basically, he said, I'm okay, ifyou criticize me. But don't
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criticize the church. And youknow, I don't know, I don't
understand that. You know, I canI mean, the church gets
criticized all the time.
Internal external. I mean, wedo, and I know, church could be
capital CLC.
Dallas Kelley (13:28):
capital C, the church is perfect. A GREAT
DIVINE institution, but it'salso small co human institution.
Yeah,
Tim Stout (13:37):
yeah. But I don't see. Maybe I'm maybe I'm naive
in this. I don't see whetherit's National Catholic register
National Catholic reporter orEw, TN or anybody criticizing
Capitol see. Yeah, I've neverYeah, I agree. But I think there
is there is a lot of criticismin of Bishops. There's a lot of
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criticism of priest and D. Imean, there's just a lot of
criticism in the church. Ithappens every day. I mean, have
you ever heard anybody say thatthey didn't like one of our
hobbies?
Fr. Linh Nguyen (14:13):
No.
Tim Stout (14:15):
Or what we preached or how we preached or whatever,
right?
Dallas Kelley (14:18):
If you only knew the actually I hold back a lot
if you only knew the amount ofpeople that came to me over you,
make you cry. So yeah, that'swhat deacons are. We're we're
the bridge. We're the bridge.
Oh, we're the bridge. Don't tellfatherly and we're the broken
bridge sometime.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (14:39):
No, but I think the point I think what you
address how, sometime in thecriticism, it kind of they, you
know, decrease the pope is fine,but to the point to hinder the
church. I think that theconcern, you know, like, for
example, you know, I can't standfather Lynn. So I'm, I'm
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stopping contribution to theparish. So in other words, it's
not we've not heard
Tim Stout (15:08):
that ever before. But that's the that's the go to
right. Yeah.
Dallas Kelley (15:16):
So you got the email I forwarded.
Tim Stout (15:20):
Yeah, I mean, but in that case, so they're they're
not hurting you? Right, right. Imean, and that's, to me, I think
that's what someone's intent is,is they feel. And I kind of
talked about this a little bitin because I had Christ in my
home this weekend. And one ofthe things we were one of the
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things I said is, it's this, youknow, Jesus, the gospel is cash
marriage, right, you know, manand woman, married forever, you
know, divorce decree, what hetalked about with Moses, and
then bring the children to meand use them. In example, one of
what I kind of took away fromthat was, we're all critical of
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the church, we're all Catholic,or cafeteria, Catholics, all of
us are, there's always somethingthat the Church teaches, it's
hard. And we don't want hard,we're programmed in our lives
and our culture this day, in2021, to find easy to find it,
where it's not difficult on usto find something that, you
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know, makes us happy and and,you know, somebody that's been
divorced and remarried, thatdoesn't agree with that, they're
going to complain about that,because it affects them
personally, or somebody that hassame sex attraction is going to
complain about that, or somebodythat that doesn't like to get up
on Sunday is going to complainthat they had to go to church on
Sunday. I mean, you know, pickand choose whatever you want out
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of that book right there. That'swhy we've got it here. So we can
criticize, but you see, I'msaying it's just we are
Dallas Kelley (16:50):
we? Yeah, you can criticize, but we would say do
it anyway.
Tim Stout (16:56):
Well, we would, yeah.
Right. But I think the folksthat are out there being
critical of publicly beingcritical of a lot of those
things aren't saying that,right? They're just being
critical about whatever. And youknow, this Pope has a tendency
to be vague. To have a lot ofambiguity and biggie. Biggie
area, about his statements, andthat confusion, opens the door.
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In my mind, it opens the door tocriticism.
Dallas Kelley (17:27):
But I stress all the time to people, you need to
learn the church learned learn,don't stop, just keep learning.
So when priests, deacons,bishops, or posts, say something
vague or glean in a way that youcan sort it out, you can filter
it, well, it's not really. Youdon't leave because of it.
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Because you know, actually whatthe Church says and teach.
Tim Stout (17:52):
Absolutely, yeah. And that's like, if somebody
complains about the homily or apastor or priest or visiting
priest or whatever, by messages,don't let it affect your faith.
Right, right. Your faith is whatbrings you to church. It
shouldn't be who's preachingthat Sunday? Exactly. Right? Or
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who's singing that Sunday orwhatever it should be about the
faith, which you didn't believe?
Dallas Kelley (18:19):
What the Church teaches everything. I would have
left it because the people inthe church are a mass. All
right.
Tim Stout (18:29):
And we weren't Yeah, we're gonna talk about our final
talk on the person of JesusChrist, because Dallas is
there's not much more we couldtalk about. But yeah, one of the
things I think that's so uniqueand I don't think I really
realized it, as in I'm a cradleCatholic, and I've had a lot a
lot of Catholic education, Ididn't really really realize it
till formation is howinterconnected all the theology
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is. And then if you pullsomething out, it all starts to
crumble. So it's all it's thiswhole base
Dallas Kelley (19:00):
as Gus Lloyd show, but I listened to so many
I could be wrong. gave anexample i thought was a good
example. You know, and it had todo with what I just said, you
know, you you learn to cherishyou fall in love with the
church. So when things go bad,you don't leave the church even
like the sex abuse crisis, asbad as they were, you know,
like, Peter told Jesus, are yougoing to leave to where Where,
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where? Where will I go? This isit. But on Gus Lloyd show we you
know, when Noah was selling theark, you you'd climbed into the
ark? Or you were gonna die? Wellafter a while that art got
pretty stinky, right? Are yougonna jump ship come because
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it's so stinky. You're gonna dieif you do where else are you
gonna go? You know,
Tim Stout (19:51):
but and I think that's, you know, can you be
critical using that analogy ofthe churches the Ark? Can you be
critical of the Ark? Yeah.
Inside the salvation that it'sbrought brought you the life
that is brought to you notreally can't really complain
about that so well, and then,you know, I told I was just
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thinking about this thisNational Catholic reporter and
not using the word Catholic, butI just really think that there's
a there's Catholic media warsthat are going on, and it's as
bad as public. Yeah, it's, and Iencourage everybody to read both
sides of those. If you're, ifyou're an ew tn person or a
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National Catholic register, youknow, you should be looking at
National Catholic reporter justlike if you're a person that
watches Fox News, you should belooking at CNN or ABC, you
should you should get your newsfrom multiple sources. But at
the end of the day, when you'retalking about Catholic Stuff,
that book right there, hold thatbook up ish. That book right
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there. The catechism should beshould help you with your faith
to find out what's what's right,what's not, right. It's pretty
simple, sometimes in it.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (21:17):
Too simple that people don't want to accept it.
It can't be that easy.
Tim Stout (21:23):
And that's not to say that, you know, when we're
talking about, I'll pick a picka topic of the day, or
immigration, homosexuality,abortion, all those things.
There is other sides to thediscussion that we cannot
ignore, right? We cannot ignore.
And that's one of the thingsthat I think the Catholic Church
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does really well. And if you'resomebody that's pro choice, and
you're criticizing, criticizingwhat's going on the pro life
side, you know, you hear theargument. Well, what about the
mothers? What about, you know,they can't afford it. Nobody's
nobody's helping home, which issimply not true. Right? from the
Catholic perspective, you haveto you have to search that stuff
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out. You have to search thatstuff out. Same thing from
immigration, we need immigrationreform. There's no doubt we need
immigration reform. There's nodoubt that we need to treat
immigrants just like we wouldtreat each other sit around this
table. Right? I mean, so there'stwo sides to every story. Nobody
likes to hear that. So that's mycurrent events. All I got too
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much
Fr. Linh Nguyen (22:33):
current.
Tim Stout (22:34):
Do you have any current events? What's going on
in the world? COVID gettingbetter. What's doxa
Dallas Kelley (22:38):
COVID? Man, the man's are still full of
Georgetown. I know that for afact.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (22:42):
I say Morehead right? Well, head is overflow,
Tim Stout (22:45):
or hits pretty, pretty bad. Yeah. called the
National garden under the help.
We were Kelly's mom was inhospital. She fell in and
herself. And when we werevisiting there, the National
Guard doesn't global theNational Guard was at Baptist
days delivering deliveringmeals. So it's
Dallas Kelley (23:08):
in New York. So many nurses and doctors will not
get the vaccine. They I thinkit's today don't they get fired
today that the governor or lateris going to call into National
Guard with medical experience tothere's going to be a major
shortage here starting today.
Tim Stout (23:28):
We should have the doc back on say, we think over
there, Steve, I'll keep up withhis social media posts.
Dallas Kelley (23:33):
So So with all the medical people, you're
hearing about refusing thevaccine? Who do you listen to?
Well, I mean, you always hearlisten to science. Well, they're
medical people and they're notgetting it. You know,
Tim Stout (23:48):
I bet the doc has an opinion on that. I know, I've
been keeping up with this post.
He did say that he kind of feelslike the leaf peaked. And it's
been in and out now, which isgood, obviously good news. But
the bad news is they terminateall these people that refuse the
vaccine. There was already ahealthcare worker shortage. Yep,
that's gonna be worse, right?
Dallas Kelley (24:08):
But my point is, you got doctors out there. And
I'm not saying he'll be one ofthem. But don't listen to them.
Doctors. Listen to me. Whilethey're doctors too, so you can
see where the how that'sconfusing, confusing.
Tim Stout (24:21):
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things that are going
on each. Each situation I'm not,I'm not a fan of vaccine
mandates. I'm vaccinated. We'reall vaccinated in this room. But
I think each individual and Ihas some examples that I'm not
going to share but I have somesome real life examples that I
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know where people haven't gotthe vaccine and they have
legitimate reasons not to getthe vaccine after consulting
with their medical professional.
And that's, you know, that'sjust how it is. We talked a
little bit about this last lastshow about on the free side of
it. About mandating on the we'renot really mandating on the
preset. But shaming, shaming,shaming brace it and it's it's
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the same thing. I mean it's
Dallas Kelley (25:06):
and depending on where they live, they could
either get fired or not beallowed in mass. Right?
Tim Stout (25:12):
Yeah, the Canadian bishops came off of that. I'll
just say that. Yeah, they didcome off of that. They had, they
had basically I don't know ifyou knew that or not, but the
Canadian bishops actually said,you have to have proof of
vaccine to get into church. DidYeah. But then they they said,
we're handling we can do that.
There's, I'm sure there's acanon law that says that you
can't do that. But guess thebishop ordinary can do what he
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wants? You know, I just don't,you know, I don't I don't like
the way we're castigatingpeople. Without understanding
that I'm not talking about me,I'm just saying, society in
general can castigate peoplebecause they decide for
legitimate reason that it'snobody else's business about not
getting a vaccine. So I wouldlike for it to be over and I do
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understand that people thinkhey, I've got to go get tests
I'm vaccinated I got to go gettested all these times and if
everybody would just getvaccinated I would have to go do
this all but I'm telling you,there's a lot of breakthrough
cases that I know of. I know alot of people that have been
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vaccinated and I say a lot youknow, seven or eight that I
personally know that have beenvaccinated and got COVID COVID
me I'm sure you know somebody Doyou know anybody that that case
I'd
Dallas Kelley (26:36):
have to think I don't think about it I'm not all
fan I don't know.
Tim Stout (26:41):
I just want it to be over I'm tired of it.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (26:45):
You know, it's not gonna be over
Dallas Kelley (26:48):
what you got and once again we talked about this
is supposed to be the worstever, because the hospitals are
more for now than they were withthe peak of the you know, the
first round and yet we go intorestaurants and stores no mask,
Tim Stout (27:00):
and we might have went to a Dodger baseball
Dallas Kelley (27:03):
stadiums or full jam pack then. The Dodgers lost
that game. Yeah, but they wantthe next two then. Yeah.
Tim Stout (27:12):
It's crunch time.
Baseball. Baseball. Good time tobe a Dodger fan
Dallas Kelley (27:15):
and a Bengals fan. They'd be Pittsburgh. Yeah.
Who today right. Today's
Tim Stout (27:19):
day is pretty excited. It's nice day. Steve is
working Thursday night this weekthat the Bengals are playing the
Jags on Thursday night. ThursdayNight Football. So watch for
Steve on the sidelines, youmight see glimpses of him
running around crazy. So let's,let's go get ready to switch
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topics.
Dallas Kelley (27:41):
Yep.
Tim Stout (27:43):
Let's see we're gonna patch up eight here in just a
second. Just give me a second toget ready. We're gonna start
with this little video
Dallas Kelley (27:52):
on the Trinity on the Trinity, which Jesus is a
part of. Yeah, no, no, no, he'snot part of right. God don't
come in part person's video. letyou know.
Tim Stout (28:03):
So here we go.
Hopefully you give me a upsideif I if you get it if you get
the sound. Are you ready?
Unknown (28:21):
Okay, Patrick, tell us a bit more about this Trinity
thing. Yeah. Patrick, tell usbut remember that we're simple
people without your fancyeducation and books and
learning. And we're hearingabout all of this for the first
time. So try to keep it simple.
Okay, Patrick? Yeah, realsimple, Patrick. Sure. There
are three persons of the Trinitythe Father, the Son and the Holy
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Spirit. Yet there is only oneGod.
Don't get what you're sayinghere. Patrick, not picking up
what you're laying down here.
Patrick, could you use ananalogy, Patrick?
Sure. The Trinity is like waterand how you can find water in
three different forms liquid andice and vapor.
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That modalism Patrick, whatmoralism and ancient heresy
confess by teachers such as noatheist and Sibelius, which
espouses that God is not threedistinct persons, but that he
merely reveals himself in threedifferent forms. This heresy was
clearly condemned in canon oneat the first Council of
Constantinople and 381 ad andthose who confess it cannot
rightly be considered a part ofthe church Catholic. Come on
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Patra. Yeah, get it together,Patrick.
Okay. Then the Trinity is likethe sun in the sky, where you
have the star, and the light andthe heat.
Oh, Patrick, come on, Patrick.
That arianism Patrick arianismYes, arianism Patrick theology
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which states that Christ and theHoly Spirit are creations of the
Father and not one in naturewith him exactly. Like how heat
and light are not the staritself, but are merely creations
of the star. That's a badanalogy Patrick are the worst
Patrick.
All right, sorry. The Trinity islike this three leaf clover
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here. I'mgoing to stop you right there,
Patrick. Yeah, hold your horses.
Patrick, you're about toconfess. partialism, partialism?
Yes, partialism, a heresy, whichasserts that the Father, Son and
Holy Spirits are not distinctpersons of the Godhead, but are
different parts of God, eachcomposing 1/3 of the Divine
and who confesses the heresy ofpartial is the first
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season at a cartoon programVoltron where five robot lion
cars merge together to form onegiant robot samurai, obviously,
I've never heard of Voltron, ofcourse, and it's not going to
exist for another 1500 yearsnow. Patrick, yeah, get with the
program, Patrick. I mean,really, Patrick? I'm gonna stab
you in the face, Patrick. Okay,that was probably a bit much.
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Alright, I'll try again. TheTrinity is like how the same man
can be a husband and a fatherand an employer moralism again
alright then it's like the threelayers of an hour so there's a
revisited fine the Trinity is amystery which cannot be
comprehended by human reasoning,but is understood only through
faith and his best confessed andthe words of the athanasian
Creed, which says that weworship one God and Trinity and
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unity neither confusing thepersons are dividing the
substance that we are compelledby the Christian truth to
confess that each distinctperson is God and Lord, and that
the deity of the Father, theSon, and the Holy Spirit is one
equaling glory co equal inmajesty.
Well, why didn't you just saythat, Patrick? Yeah, quit
beating around the bush,Patrick. Now let's all put on
some giant green form hats getriotously drunk and vomit in the
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Chicago River to celebrate ourconversion.
Dallas Kelley (31:44):
Can you repeat the definition? Again, somebody
real fast.
Tim Stout (31:50):
I mean, that's what makes it confusing, right? We've
had Dallas and I were talkingabout for one show that I need
to meet. Paul will show thatyou've probably heard some of
those examples used in RCA.
Right? Yeah. So I mean, it'sjust
Dallas Kelley (32:06):
so we need to tell is it Pat, now that those
are heresies don't use thoseexample, the clover in the water
and the ice and the gas.
Tim Stout (32:17):
So I think the best thing to know about the Trinity
is, you think you understand it.
You're all right.
Dallas Kelley (32:24):
And if you do understand that you're one of
the three
Tim Stout (32:30):
and so I think that's why when we talk about Jesus
Christ is purely human, right?
That's human 100% human. It'shard for people to grasp. Right?
So what else do we need to crossoff on the person of Jesus
Christ there Padre? Were youthinking I got no notes on us.
It's all got to come from here.
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This is all
Dallas Kelley (32:54):
you got to you got to resort back to your would
you do eight years of college?
Your seminary How long have youbeen
Fr. Linh Nguyen (33:02):
eight years? I think the the incarnation of
Jesus is very important, verycrucial. That is one of the
greatest doctrine I think forbut we have
Dallas Kelley (33:14):
of the Incarnation conversion which I
just went over with my class isvery
Fr. Linh Nguyen (33:19):
important because it is sum up everything
about the redemption. You know,oftentimes we thought, Jesus,
okay, Kim died for us. And herise. You know, he, you know,
I'm saying when you hear that isalmost like the we've normalized
that right, normalize that. Butthere's a reason why you know,
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his dad, it's not any otherdeath. No, that's God.
Tim Stout (33:47):
Yeah. Because if you if you just think of it as God,
then yeah, God can do that,right? God can do anything. But
when you think of it, you say,oh, okay, that's not a big deal.
It is a big deal because of theincarnation. But yeah, it's
those those those bookends thatset apart our faith versus any
other faith.
Dallas Kelley (34:07):
I remember I asked one of the kids or one of
the classes, I forget which oneI said, Okay, the Incarnation is
when Jesus was put in the wombof Mary, you know, the
Annunciation that day. Anybodyknow when we celebrate it, and
somebody thought for a secondone of the kids went to, if I
had to guess it was nine monthsprior to Christmas. said exactly
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March 25.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (34:32):
There you go.
That's very good. You know, it'srequire that extensive
conversation, I'm saying, Ithink one of the tragic for us
and we allow the society tocapture a certain celebration.
One of the things we miss out isall the small celebration the
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all the sayings of the fee. No,like, I don't see Asian, we
never talk about it. If we, ifwe get lucky, we settled on
Sunday or a fall on Sunday. Wenever heard about it. And there
has to be a reason we have tobring that back somehow.
Dallas Kelley (35:15):
Yeah, I just showed him a movie Our Lady of
Fatima. And there's a scene inthere where they're celebrating
St. Anthony's feast day, and itwas a big to do. Everybody, all
the villages gathered, they gaveit gave away this big donkey
pulled in this big cart full ofbread, and they handed out a
bunch of food and bigcelebration for St. Anthony's
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feast day.
Tim Stout (35:37):
It used to happen in the, in the parishes, whoever
they were named after. Right. Soand that's something we've never
really done here. Right? St.
JOHN, the evangelist, john doe,or even St. Francis to sail,
we've never really had a bigdeal going on about that feast
day. There's another big feastday coming up this set tomorrow.
The archangels is this week, Ithink tomorrow is tomorrow. Is
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that a celebrity? Or is thatjust a suffix these day? Yeah, I
mean, I think that, you know, iffor your, for your kids, they're
getting a little bit of that,right? Catholic school kids get
a little bit of that. But ifyou're, if you've converted as
an adult, and you're not goingto daily mass, you're not you're
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not hearing about those things,just Jesus do, you have to seek
it out. And that's something Ithink in the sort of today's
culture where we're so sopulled, we're pulled in so many
different directions, that it'shard to kind of focus in on
something like that. And ifyou're only going to church on
Sunday, which is 90%, right?
(36:45):
Just that's
Dallas Kelley (36:46):
99
Tim Stout (36:49):
I was trying to be generous. So
Dallas Kelley (36:52):
in which you know, it's just people's got a
workload, you know, got to workand things you know, but
sometimes during the day youjust can't go to a lot of that
stuff.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (37:01):
So that was one of the reason john paul to
implement the illuminous mysteryright in the rosary here. The
may lumens mystery it then isspeak about the life of Jesus
Christ is about what thatprocess is of no and even a
station of the cross we we don'tuse that anymore practically you
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know even doing doing lead verysmall group people participate
in that. So the remember theCatholic back in the 50s and a
62 or 270 that is part of ourliving right now.
Tim Stout (37:40):
Remember that you would have a school right? I
mean, I remember I rememberStations of the Cross and it'd
be we were an air conditionedchurch It was hot and people
pass it out because we'd alsohave been addiction and at the
end of it and it was just hotand but it was it ingrained
something in you when you'rewhen you're experiencing those
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stations that it Catholic Churchhas in school as a kid every
Friday during Lent you rememberit it's an experience and you
you say you come to appreciateit I think most people do if
they're still balls interfaithbut you know what? I just think
that that that's something thatwe got to agree with. You gotta
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be creative, somehow. Figure outhow to bring it back.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (38:29):
Basically, you know, when can you last time
have a conversation about theAnnunciation like Dallas I was a
student today Oh wow, why thepeople go through all CIA know
more about our faith than we do?
Because they talk verydiligently about in detail and
so you know, some of the greatmajor feats we celebrate
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tomorrow nobody's gonna knowabout the the archangels
Tim Stout (38:59):
a good place to start though I agree. luminous
mysteries are a good one. Youknow sometimes they think they
get shortchanged because youYou're always supposed to say
those ones away. I go up bookswhen he
Dallas Kelley (39:11):
first came out with that if you remember there
was some resistance Oh, peopledon't like change. Oh yeah. You
know, you can't just insert newmysteries it's the rosary and
now it's widely accepted youknow it's been so many years
Tim Stout (39:25):
that he's a saint to that then oh, I don't know what
the what it is about that butyou know when you look back
retrospectively and it's a saintnow that's that instituted
something it's it's prettyinspiring. So I think the
luminous mysteries are myfavorite just, you know, because
I like the wedding again anyway.
Right? I love that whole story.
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And you know, we hear that acouple times throughout through
the course of the year Dawei onSunday. So but somebody was a
you that were preached aboutthat that somebody preached in
the last couple weeks. It sayssomething about that. They'd
like that story because it'sgreat advice.
Dallas Kelley (40:05):
Just I think it was fatherly. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim Stout (40:08):
Do it. Do do what Jesus said, What do you say? Do
what he says, Yeah, he broughtit up. Yeah. Just do what he
says and that we question that,right? That's pretty. That's
pretty good advice, right? Justdo what Jesus tells you to do,
you'll be alright. It's just,you got to cut through the noise
to hear what Jesus is saying. Soand I think that as a person, as
a human person, I think that'swhy we can we're encouraged to
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relate to him because he washumans.
Dallas Kelley (40:34):
And at the same time that that that quote, do
what he says is people alwayswonder how much Mary knew. That
was Mary's way of saying, Well,I know a lot. Yes, it is your
time, it's your time to startyour ministry, do whatever he
says, you know, this is yourtime, get going.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (40:53):
You know, for me, those celebration is so
important. Because it kind ofpush us into sometimes
encountering the experience andoftentimes our okay Jesus, over
very quick about it, you know,that's why for me, I love was
that a series called The Chosenit great that he granted you
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know, the, the director or thewriter that kind of filled the
gap, the experience of whatJesus is and the disciples and
all that. But it, it gives youmine a lie of the fresh of
imagination, about what thatlife Jesus was about. And it
gives you a fresh perspective,you know, and so to do to have a
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relationship with a person ofJesus Christ, is about that is
about the daily encounter andthe church, give us a lot of
opportunity or instrument, likethe rosary, you know, reflect on
the scripture lexer Vina acentering prayer, you know, all
of that,
Tim Stout (42:00):
then this, I mean, you said already the saints, the
lives of those, those are, thoseare real people.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (42:07):
And it moves us into, like, you know, you could
always show the sign of the day,you know, how Wester slows, you
remember that there was a songfor Christmas, they say nothing
about Jesus, about this guy. Androll up into the heart of Jesus
Christ.
Tim Stout (42:29):
I think that's a, that's a great summary of what
the church offers that wesometimes we forget about.
Right? We've got the lives ofthe saints, we, we forget, play
with the exception of MotherTeresa, and john paul, because
we, a lot of us, grew up at thesame time, but we hear we hear
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the stories of the saints and weeven the story of Jesus and the
time that he lived and So, sofar away, it's hard to grasp.
And I think that's, you'reright, I think the chosen is
something that that gives thatreally highlights the humanity
of Jesus. Right, the the realstuff outside of the Gospels,
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you know, and you know, there, Iwon't say it's fiction, but
they're filling in the gaps,right? They're filling in the
gaps, and but they're, they'reshowing those emotions, those
real life experiences that hehad, you know, I think we do we
forget about that. And then whenyou can grasp that, I think when
you can grasp that, when you canreally relate to the that
(43:36):
personal personal side of Jesus,when you then get to the
passion, that's when it becomeseven more real real, right?
Because now you've developedthis relationship that you can
really feel like Jesus was waswas human like me, and he
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experienced like, like I did,and, you know, he had friends
that let him down. You know, hehad great friends and good bad
friends and just all that stuff.
And then when you get to thepoint of the suffering and the
death now you're like, Whoa,that's Yeah, I mean, that it
means more at that point. So
Fr. Linh Nguyen (44:13):
that's another point I want to captured with
you guys is, you know, work withyoung people nationally. And
locally. The thing that actuallymoved them a lot over the issue
of social justice, you know,Catholic heart, for example,
gift love that stuff. Because itcaught into the activity of the
emotional, truly encounter, andthat when you tap, relate that
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to what Jesus is about. And theyhave this, oh, I was like, got
it. You know, I'm saying. So Ithink as a church as as Minister
or as clergies we have to bevery creative in that. I think
it's so important. You know,watching the chosen And the
(45:01):
whole thing about fishing Dallastalk a whole lot. It has a
different meaning now, you know,when when Peter tried to get
catch the fish, and how Jesusturned his boat almost over
overflow with fishes, and theirsignificant meaning, and that
they tie to that. And so I thinkthat incarnation That's what I'm
(45:25):
talking about, you know, I'llbear and talk about the the
truth, the beauty, you know,there is that neatness that that
bring about that joy, you know?
And so you know, for me thatthat that person of Jesus Christ
using the great incarnation, IIology process, if you will, that
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that challenge us as a church inmany way, try to bring young
people back or parenting, makesure we are aware of those
opportunity, if you will, thatthat can be integrate better. So
that I agree, did
Tim Stout (46:08):
you when you were thinking about that, and you
were about social justice, oneof the things that that kind of
jumped out of me, coming out aremore for me, it's the same thing
when we talk about theenvironment, right? There's
this, there's this politicalclash up here that says, bad
doesn't cause global warming.
Bad does cause global warming.
(46:30):
But down here in the everydaythings of life, who wants to
take their oil and dump it outin their backyard anymore? Did
you ever do that as a kid? Imean, we had a fence where we
report in a ditch Yeah. Youdon't do that.
Dallas Kelley (46:45):
I dropped it off at Walmart this morning.
Tim Stout (46:48):
You don't do that anymore. It is and and, you
know, we can sit up here we candebate about, you know, climate
change and all those things. Butat the end of the day, we should
take care of the environment.
It's not, it's not difficult.
You know what it's not apolitical statement about and I
think most people get that. It'sjust that we want to go and be
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either Democrat or Republican,liberal or conservative. That's
our, that's our, our zones thatwe like to operate in. And what
we need to operate in is, as aCatholic, is a little bit
different than
Fr. Linh Nguyen (47:22):
that was definitely a preach this
morning. Remember, the gospelhave to do with James and john.
It'll be powerful Jesus, have aSamaritan town, on his way
Jerusalem to die. And the towndid not welcome him. They came
to Jesus say, you know, the sinof thunder john, say, do you
(47:44):
want to call fire to burn them?
Tim Stout (47:47):
rain down fire.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (47:48):
He said, leave him alone. You know, if we are
so quick to react, but I waspreaching about we, even with
Jesus, we become so caught upwith ourselves, or environment
in any situation, we caught upup truth that we become untruth.
Absolutely no. And so what Jesussignify and called is to make
(48:12):
sure you harvest in the truth,just like early we talked about,
you know, National Catholicreporter, or non your at&t and
whatever you are. Where is thetruth lies? I think what Pope
Francis called tour, you cancriticize me, but don't
criticize the church. The churchis truth, right?
Tim Stout (48:29):
The churches is working in a very tough
environment today, you know, andtrying, trying, trying to do
good. Don't always succeed. Butwe're trying right?
Dallas Kelley (48:41):
don't preach we have this weekend. What did he
say in every mass? Who is themost generous organization?
planet
Tim Stout (48:51):
as last week? Oh, it was? Yeah, you know, you have
the large you have this, thelargest charitable organization
in the country's CatholicChurch, the largest educator of
people in the world is theCatholic Church. You know, we we
just, there's a lot of greatthings about the church, I go
back to even something that thegospel this week that I think
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hits the nail on the head righthere and kind of breaks down
these divisions that we have.
And that, you know, basically ifJesus said, you know, if, if
they're not against us, it'sokay. You know, if they're, if
they're not, you know, preachingagainst us, and they're using my
name, nothing bad can come outof that. I just think we've
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we've lost that. In our culture,we we've we've we've politicized
everything. I mean, everybody inthe church. Absolutely. No, the
church is not, you know, it'sthe church is not exempt from
that at all. And you know, weWe've got to figure out I don't
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know how to do it, if I did, I'dbe a rich man, but we got to
figure out how to turn thetables around and, and make it
more about who we are as peopleand the acts of love that we do
that that are the basis forbeing Catholic, the basis for
social justice, the basis foryou know, protecting the
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environment, the basis forloving our neighbor, all the all
of this stuff. We need to unplugthe size because at the end of
the day, you know, if you gotsomebody and you said hey, we
don't wanna talk about politics,we just want to know how should
we treat this person. I thinkmost people would understand how
they want to want to trade. Butwe because we can't do that in a
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in a isolated environment. We'reworried about what other people
will think about us and the onlyperson we should be worried
about only person. person weshould be worried about how they
feel about us as Jesus
Dallas Kelley (51:04):
person, a person of Jesus.
Tim Stout (51:08):
Any comments on there? Not a one not one that
Fr. Linh Nguyen (51:11):
I want to add this recently I heard about this
Pope Francis plan to call asalad out of the whole universal
church in a three year process.
I don't house that sub dividebasically Bishop could have made
in a deanery I think, as asenate and then come together in
the universal church with thePope. It's a three year plan
(51:35):
call the Synod. Oh, really lookover pray to the Holy Spirit.
And Rhian Kindle, the spiritdesert, it was a lot going on I
didn't read much more detail but
Tim Stout (51:49):
when we talk about that next time we could talk
about next
Dallas Kelley (51:51):
aren't a first gonna have a session on how to
have a Senate. I heard it.
Really? Yeah,
Tim Stout (51:57):
I mean, the German bishops kind of screwed that up
for everybody. I mean, no,
Fr. Linh Nguyen (52:03):
I think all of this what the pope tried to do
with this senator that got thefunny word senator and send it
all had to do with the universalhe want to convene that I think
by the year binomial to 2324,something like that.
Tim Stout (52:24):
Hey, before we get to the saying of the day Steve, can
you punch up that other graphicthat we had? graphic I'm talking
about?
Dallas Kelley (52:37):
One any 3d food down with Kelly right hand
corner back outside of myclothes. The sound before Scott
Scott It was also at a time thatI could raise my arm over my
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head without being in
Tim Stout (53:15):
Dallas Kelly father mentioned it earlier saying of
the day I can't pronounce itright Can somebody help me out
here it says Laos. Went sisLaos. He was? Well we're gonna
find out where he's from,because I think I'm Sylvania.
Let's find out. Here we go.
Unknown (53:33):
This is Franciscan media saint of the day for
September 28. St. Wenceslaswe're more used to hearing the
name of today's st during theChristmas season. When we hear
the Carroll good king Wenceslas.
The familiar song does give us ahint about the man who was
indeed a good king in 10thcentury Bohemia. Once this law
stood for Christian values,amidst political intrigue,
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religious rivalry, and divisionwithin his own family, his
saintly grandmother lewd Milla,raised him and sought to promote
him as a ruler in place of hismother, who favored the anti
christian factions. Though LuMila was eventually murdered,
the Christian forces werevictorious, and once this loss
became king, his role was markedby efforts toward political
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unification within Bohemiasupport of the church and
peacemaking negotiations withGermany. Many opposes policies,
including his own brother boluslove, who joined a plot to
replace him after invitingwenceslaus to celebrate a
religious feast. bolas Slavattacked his brother in the
struggle once this loss waskilled, although his death in
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929 resulted primarily frompolitical upheaval. Once this
loss was hailed as a martyr forthe faith. His relics were taken
to the Church of St. vitus inPrague, and his tomb became a
pilgrimage shrine. There's moreabout the saints along with
inspiration and Catholicresources at our website, Saint
of the day.org from Franciscanmedia. This is In st of the day,
Tim Stout (55:02):
I love those names. I mean, that's what we need to be
doing. We need to be like, usingsome of these site names as part
of real names.
Dallas Kelley (55:13):
Why don't we, when we build a new church, why
don't we rename it? st onewishes. Once this law was like,
will it start being saved? St.
W.
Tim Stout (55:26):
It's kind of like my grandson. His name is ace. I had
to search long and hard thatthere was a St. ACLs. So we call
him ACLs. That's not his realname, his name's ace. But, Ico
sounds a whole lot better thanjust days, I think. Sorry,
Katie. had to throw that outthere. Hey, next show next. Two
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weeks from today, Tuesday,October 12. Market down. You
know, we were supposed to havesome hardware here this week.
That looked a whole lot likeEmmys. And Steve had lot going
on today. But Steve, October 12.
Find those keys unlock thosebabies. And let's bring them in
at least one. Can you bring themall I mean, we'll we'll put them
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all down there in front. But wewant we want people to know that
this is an Emmy produce show. Somaybe we're going to talk to
Steve about his his life andjourney because he's got a story
where he did a story on St. popejohn paul. Second. So hopefully
maybe on October 12. We'll betalking about that. So the guy
(56:30):
thoughts, questions, orsuggestions for topics? Let us
know. Jesus Christ. Part Threeconcludes our series on Jesus
Christ. You have anything elseto say about that? No.
Dallas Kelley (56:49):
No, this that's what it's all about Jesus.
Tim Stout (56:55):
As lost last year on that mic there Padre. Alright,
so check out ssF j.org ss f j.
s. Alright, Steve. I'm justgonna blow through that ssF.
j.org to contribute to theministries that St. Francis have
john, tell your friends. Andmost of all, spread the gospel.
Jesus Christ. Love yourneighbor. Love each other. Too
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simple as that. By the land. Canyou throw a blessing on us if
your mics working there?
Dallas Kelley (57:29):
Amen.
Tim Stout (57:31):
Your your mic wasn't working. It's been out there it
is. It was me. Here's my phone.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (57:37):
There you go.
Try it again. One more time.
What The Lord be with you Andwith your spirit. May almighty
God bless you, the Father andthe Son and the Holy Spirit.
Tim Stout (57:46):
Hey, man. Hey, until next time, I'm
Dallas Kelley (57:49):
taking Tim I'm thinking
Fr. Linh Nguyen (57:51):
father linguine Good night, everybody. Good
night. Did you ever stop andthink why spend too much time?
Unknown (58:12):
Maybe. I don't know or saying the thing that I haven't
noticed. When I see you my heartstarts racing, but I don't know
what the length is.
Did you ever stop and think why spend too much time? I
don't know a single thing that Ihaven't noticed. When I see you
(00:32):
my heart starts racing, but Idon't know if the length is
Jason Brown.
Tim Stout (00:44):
Love delayed but live from the cardones studio in
Georgetown, Kentucky. Today isTuesday the 26th week in
Ordinary Time. And this isdeacons discussions, drinks.
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Check 123 Good eveningeverybody. Welcome back to the
car dome studio where anythingis possible including bad
internet Welcome back foranother discussion another drink
with the deacons. I'm Deacon TimStout,
Dallas Kelley (01:52):
I'm Deacon Dallas Kelly,
Fr. Linh Nguyen (01:55):
I'm fatherly when we all
Tim Stout (01:57):
made it made it we made it we had some technical
difficulties there at thebeginning. Apparently there's
been some changes as a result ofthe school growing out here and
we just need to adapt a littlebit and be a little bit more
impatient. Or maybe we need tolook at better internet browser
(02:17):
we'll get on that but hey,there's a lot going on the
Catholic world these days haveyou all been paying attention?
Dallas Kelley (02:24):
A little bit yeah, so
Tim Stout (02:26):
this this is my bookends here the US
Dallas Kelley (02:29):
I've been busy has been out of town so you know
how that goes. I got to work alittle harder.
Tim Stout (02:37):
We'll get to that just a second. Okay. Because
Because I had I had a visitingpriests this weekend. So we'll
talk a little bit about thathere in just a second. But in
the interim, you know, Catholicworld us CCB issues a memo out
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that they're concerned overtransgender males getting into
the seminary or religious lifewow wow. We'll talk about that
in a second. Then the pope put alittle statement about
everybody's favorite Catholicnews channel founded by Mother
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Angelica e wt n indirectly
Dallas Kelley (03:22):
yeah he didn't mention the letters
Tim Stout (03:24):
he didn't say the name popular up very popular
conservative president use theword conservative either we get
a direct quote if we need to.
And then the bishop in KansasCity Bishop Finn tells National
Catholic reporter to stop usingthe word Catholic in their name.
They're ignoring so what theheck is going on in this world?
Fr. Linh Nguyen (03:51):
going on with the Catholic Church
Tim Stout (03:53):
Yeah, that's all Catholic Stuff we if we have to
talk about what's going on wasthat a rhetorical question Are
Dallas Kelley (03:59):
you really want to know what's going on?
Tim Stout (04:00):
Yeah, what's going on?
Dallas Kelley (04:03):
I don't know. A lot I mean, it's I wish somebody
would pass canon law we can noyou know like it discipline. You
know, like eating meat onFriday. You can't use Catholic
Can I use social media? When wehave a whole lot more peace,
come on.
Tim Stout (04:22):
We just wouldn't know what was going on. It would
still be going on but
Dallas Kelley (04:25):
we wouldn't know about it. Yeah, but we have a
whole lot more peace.
Tim Stout (04:29):
So did you all see the memo from the CCB? I sent it
to you was it you said it washard to read though laundry?
Yeah.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (04:34):
I know the Archbishop though. Yeah, he
taught me moral, moral theology,what theology? Basically, Stacie
wasn't
Dallas Kelley (04:43):
asking for was a tan from now on give DNA test or
Tim Stout (04:47):
I think it was a recommendation Yeah, that they
do DNA test going into theseminary. I mean,
Dallas Kelley (04:53):
because they it was saying like, they have
caught some right. Yeah,
Tim Stout (04:57):
they didn't. They didn't specify quantity or
anything like Like that, but youknow if the US CCB sends out a
letter to all the bishops, yeah,something's happening. Yeah,
they just not they're not. Thebishops just don't strike me as
somebody that's going to be preemptive. They're responding to
something. Dude, would you agreewith that? Yes. But I mean, how
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would you feel if you were aseminarian, and they want you to
do a DNA test?
Fr. Linh Nguyen (05:24):
It would be fun.
Tim Stout (05:26):
Or even a deacon.
Right? I
Dallas Kelley (05:27):
mean, theoretically, right? If I was
didn't have anything to worryabout. It wouldn't bother me.
Yeah.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (05:33):
But it's all come down to the proper
interview. Right? It's tough toassess that. I remember when I
was at mundelein seminary,that's a first question the
interview you and I learned thatwere originally they said, what
(05:55):
are your sexual orientation? Isee. What do you mean, but women
orientation? so far? faster?
Hickey say, Do you like girl?
Oh, no problem.
Dallas Kelley (06:10):
We had to go through psychological would you
call it what would you call it?
valuation? valuations. Yeah. Andthe wife had to go in there with
you and everything.
Tim Stout (06:21):
Yeah, I mean, it didn't mean yours was probably
much more stringent than ours.
And yours was more than one.
Right? Right. But it didn'tstrike me as one of the strong
suits of the program. Right? Itdidn't feel like, hey, this was
good. Uh, this was good to weedout bad apples. I felt like we
(06:42):
were checking a box. Really? Imean, and I think I think a lot
of guys felt that way. There was30. What 35? Is, whatever the
number was a bunch of us at thetime. Yeah. And, you know, I'm
a, I'm a firm believer that ifif, if a process isn't leading
somebody out at that level,where there's 35 people going
through, and I'm not saying thepsychological part, just the
(07:04):
whole process, then, what areyou doing? Why are you doing the
process? The likelihood thateverybody gets through the
psychological evaluation to meat that level, but you're
talking about one or two people,maybe so 35
Fr. Linh Nguyen (07:19):
but that, I think that there is a deeper
question in this whole process.
And the process itself, I'mtrying to say here, remember the
time during Benedict 16 therewas a document he put out in
regarding to almost sexual inthe priesthood, he questioned
(07:39):
about the the affected in theindelible mark of his
ordination, right wasn't aboutthat and that was also what I
strong disciplinary uponseminary, do not accept
homosexual seminary as died somelens reflect upon sexual scandal
(08:01):
that we have because right now,Catholic still tried to study
that intently a correlation hegot to the data Well, Mark is
interesting when I don'tremember there was a case when
in the seminary, you know,ethical class. And this case
(08:23):
actually was is was real. Sothere was a seminarian ordain,
become a priest. And it turnsout, he, ci, as a sex change, it
was a she has a section tobecome a he, and then he joined
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to seminary and became priests.
So the question about hisinfallibility of his theological
ordination there you go, that'swhat they're talking about.
Right? And the answer was no, hecan. He can be ordained they can
cannot they cannot not not beordained. Um, so
Dallas Kelley (09:09):
because she's a female is the reason why she
Fr. Linh Nguyen (09:14):
doesn't matter how much you change. So you're
still still a female because Godinnate, ordained you to become
that Faker. But in thepriesthood, ordination is not
the role of the function, butthe character of the personhood
what you got preordained you tobe you know, all this thing that
right now people show all overthe place, right? I feel I feel
(09:40):
like being a female today, sotherefore, I'm a female. Yeah.
But but in Catholic theology iscompletely different. That's why
kind of interesting when yousent me that, granted is
probably there somewhere alongthe line, but it I think, is
touched deeper in the theologyof The orientation itself that
(10:02):
that important,
Tim Stout (10:03):
the prop the process?
Yeah. I mean, that's typicallywhat happens in any institution
in the church should not beexempt from that. The process is
break down, right there. They'renot as efficient or effective as
they they should be could beand, and as a result is a human
institution, right? I mean, Imean, the church is not
infallible, right. So, you know,we have these issues. What
(10:24):
happens? You and I talked aboutthis, what, when we talked on
the phone the other day? Whathappens to all the people that
have received or thought theywere receiving sacraments
scenario? I mean, it just opensup a whole lot of questions, the
validity
Fr. Linh Nguyen (10:46):
of that, you know, the language that we, in
training, we use deeptheological language, right? Or
canonical language validity onyour
Tim Stout (10:55):
back, van, listen, listen, listen.
Dallas Kelley (10:58):
But it would fall under the same member about a
year ago, the gentleman, thepriest found out he wasn't
baptized, right? I have to goback and all the people he's,
you know, received things thatonly a priest can do,
Tim Stout (11:11):
right? baptism wouldn't be one of them. So but
Dallas Kelley (11:15):
confirmation confirmation, but those masses
right now, nobody received theEucharist For how long? You
know,
Fr. Linh Nguyen (11:24):
doing, you know, all of that. And then I
think it brings an interestingpoint right? Before for common,
Catholic, not have a chance toreally well, you know, discuss
about that, you know, when youtalk about the indelible mark,
of a character of a priest, andit does high standard, you know,
then just a function. Mostpeople see praise, okay, he do
(11:47):
mass, but it's not, is it right,the lot more in that spiritual
consummation of that spirit, sodifferent.
Tim Stout (11:57):
So go read the press release, or go see the who broke
that whispers broke thatactually our friend, Rocco
palmo, we had on the show we hadon the show last year, broke, he
broke that somebody leaked thememo to him, and he posted it up
on social media man,
Dallas Kelley (12:17):
whistleblower, they'll probably be in trouble
now. He'll get fired somewheredown the line.
Tim Stout (12:23):
And then the whole I guess the Pope was traveling,
traveling back from Slovenia, Ithink is where he was right.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (12:29):
Right. Talk without to George,
Dallas Kelley (12:30):
was he on a plane again,
Tim Stout (12:31):
he was on a plane. We need to keep the pope off the
plane, start taking
Dallas Kelley (12:35):
trains.
Tim Stout (12:38):
But it was I thought it was pretty interesting. I did
do a deep dive in social mediaabout this topic. And you have
you have, you know, these, theJesuits who be considered a
little liberal, and theconservatives all kind of going
back and forth about this. And,you know, the Pope said,
basically, he said, I'm okay, ifyou criticize me. But don't
(13:03):
criticize the church. And youknow, I don't know, I don't
understand that. You know, I canI mean, the church gets
criticized all the time.
Internal external. I mean, wedo, and I know, church could be
capital CLC.
Dallas Kelley (13:28):
capital C, the church is perfect. A GREAT
DIVINE institution, but it'salso small co human institution.
Yeah,
Tim Stout (13:37):
yeah. But I don't see. Maybe I'm maybe I'm naive
in this. I don't see whetherit's National Catholic register
National Catholic reporter orEw, TN or anybody criticizing
Capitol see. Yeah, I've neverYeah, I agree. But I think there
is there is a lot of criticismin of Bishops. There's a lot of
(14:02):
criticism of priest and D. Imean, there's just a lot of
criticism in the church. Ithappens every day. I mean, have
you ever heard anybody say thatthey didn't like one of our
hobbies?
Fr. Linh Nguyen (14:13):
No.
Tim Stout (14:15):
Or what we preached or how we preached or whatever,
right?
Dallas Kelley (14:18):
If you only knew the actually I hold back a lot
if you only knew the amount ofpeople that came to me over you,
make you cry. So yeah, that'swhat deacons are. We're we're
the bridge. We're the bridge.
Oh, we're the bridge. Don't tellfatherly and we're the broken
bridge sometime.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (14:39):
No, but I think the point I think what you
address how, sometime in thecriticism, it kind of they, you
know, decrease the pope is fine,but to the point to hinder the
church. I think that theconcern, you know, like, for
example, you know, I can't standfather Lynn. So I'm, I'm
(15:03):
stopping contribution to theparish. So in other words, it's
not we've not heard
Tim Stout (15:08):
that ever before. But that's the that's the go to
right. Yeah.
Dallas Kelley (15:16):
So you got the email I forwarded.
Tim Stout (15:20):
Yeah, I mean, but in that case, so they're they're
not hurting you? Right, right. Imean, and that's, to me, I think
that's what someone's intent is,is they feel. And I kind of
talked about this a little bitin because I had Christ in my
home this weekend. And one ofthe things we were one of the
(15:41):
things I said is, it's this, youknow, Jesus, the gospel is cash
marriage, right, you know, manand woman, married forever, you
know, divorce decree, what hetalked about with Moses, and
then bring the children to meand use them. In example, one of
what I kind of took away fromthat was, we're all critical of
(16:02):
the church, we're all Catholic,or cafeteria, Catholics, all of
us are, there's always somethingthat the Church teaches, it's
hard. And we don't want hard,we're programmed in our lives
and our culture this day, in2021, to find easy to find it,
where it's not difficult on usto find something that, you
(16:22):
know, makes us happy and and,you know, somebody that's been
divorced and remarried, thatdoesn't agree with that, they're
going to complain about that,because it affects them
personally, or somebody that hassame sex attraction is going to
complain about that, or somebodythat that doesn't like to get up
on Sunday is going to complainthat they had to go to church on
Sunday. I mean, you know, pickand choose whatever you want out
(16:43):
of that book right there. That'swhy we've got it here. So we can
criticize, but you see, I'msaying it's just we are
Dallas Kelley (16:50):
we? Yeah, you can criticize, but we would say do
it anyway.
Tim Stout (16:56):
Well, we would, yeah.
Right. But I think the folksthat are out there being
critical of publicly beingcritical of a lot of those
things aren't saying that,right? They're just being
critical about whatever. And youknow, this Pope has a tendency
to be vague. To have a lot ofambiguity and biggie. Biggie
area, about his statements, andthat confusion, opens the door.
(17:21):
In my mind, it opens the door tocriticism.
Dallas Kelley (17:27):
But I stress all the time to people, you need to
learn the church learned learn,don't stop, just keep learning.
So when priests, deacons,bishops, or posts, say something
vague or glean in a way that youcan sort it out, you can filter
it, well, it's not really. Youdon't leave because of it.
(17:49):
Because you know, actually whatthe Church says and teach.
Tim Stout (17:52):
Absolutely, yeah. And that's like, if somebody
complains about the homily or apastor or priest or visiting
priest or whatever, by messages,don't let it affect your faith.
Right, right. Your faith is whatbrings you to church. It
shouldn't be who's preachingthat Sunday? Exactly. Right? Or
(18:14):
who's singing that Sunday orwhatever it should be about the
faith, which you didn't believe?
Dallas Kelley (18:19):
What the Church teaches everything. I would have
left it because the people inthe church are a mass. All
right.
Tim Stout (18:29):
And we weren't Yeah, we're gonna talk about our final
talk on the person of JesusChrist, because Dallas is
there's not much more we couldtalk about. But yeah, one of the
things I think that's so uniqueand I don't think I really
realized it, as in I'm a cradleCatholic, and I've had a lot a
lot of Catholic education, Ididn't really really realize it
till formation is howinterconnected all the theology
(18:52):
is. And then if you pullsomething out, it all starts to
crumble. So it's all it's thiswhole base
Dallas Kelley (19:00):
as Gus Lloyd show, but I listened to so many
I could be wrong. gave anexample i thought was a good
example. You know, and it had todo with what I just said, you
know, you you learn to cherishyou fall in love with the
church. So when things go bad,you don't leave the church even
like the sex abuse crisis, asbad as they were, you know,
like, Peter told Jesus, are yougoing to leave to where Where,
(19:26):
where? Where will I go? This isit. But on Gus Lloyd show we you
know, when Noah was selling theark, you you'd climbed into the
ark? Or you were gonna die? Wellafter a while that art got
pretty stinky, right? Are yougonna jump ship come because
(19:46):
it's so stinky. You're gonna dieif you do where else are you
gonna go? You know,
Tim Stout (19:51):
but and I think that's, you know, can you be
critical using that analogy ofthe churches the Ark? Can you be
critical of the Ark? Yeah.
Inside the salvation that it'sbrought brought you the life
that is brought to you notreally can't really complain
about that so well, and then,you know, I told I was just
(20:13):
thinking about this thisNational Catholic reporter and
not using the word Catholic, butI just really think that there's
a there's Catholic media warsthat are going on, and it's as
bad as public. Yeah, it's, and Iencourage everybody to read both
sides of those. If you're, ifyou're an ew tn person or a
(20:37):
National Catholic register, youknow, you should be looking at
National Catholic reporter justlike if you're a person that
watches Fox News, you should belooking at CNN or ABC, you
should you should get your newsfrom multiple sources. But at
the end of the day, when you'retalking about Catholic Stuff,
that book right there, hold thatbook up ish. That book right
(20:59):
there. The catechism should beshould help you with your faith
to find out what's what's right,what's not, right. It's pretty
simple, sometimes in it.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (21:17):
Too simple that people don't want to accept it.
It can't be that easy.
Tim Stout (21:23):
And that's not to say that, you know, when we're
talking about, I'll pick a picka topic of the day, or
immigration, homosexuality,abortion, all those things.
There is other sides to thediscussion that we cannot
ignore, right? We cannot ignore.
And that's one of the thingsthat I think the Catholic Church
(21:45):
does really well. And if you'resomebody that's pro choice, and
you're criticizing, criticizingwhat's going on the pro life
side, you know, you hear theargument. Well, what about the
mothers? What about, you know,they can't afford it. Nobody's
nobody's helping home, which issimply not true. Right? from the
Catholic perspective, you haveto you have to search that stuff
(22:06):
out. You have to search thatstuff out. Same thing from
immigration, we need immigrationreform. There's no doubt we need
immigration reform. There's nodoubt that we need to treat
immigrants just like we wouldtreat each other sit around this
table. Right? I mean, so there'stwo sides to every story. Nobody
likes to hear that. So that's mycurrent events. All I got too
(22:29):
much
Fr. Linh Nguyen (22:33):
current.
Tim Stout (22:34):
Do you have any current events? What's going on
in the world? COVID gettingbetter. What's doxa
Dallas Kelley (22:38):
COVID? Man, the man's are still full of
Georgetown. I know that for afact.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (22:42):
I say Morehead right? Well, head is overflow,
Tim Stout (22:45):
or hits pretty, pretty bad. Yeah. called the
National garden under the help.
We were Kelly's mom was inhospital. She fell in and
herself. And when we werevisiting there, the National
Guard doesn't global theNational Guard was at Baptist
days delivering deliveringmeals. So it's
Dallas Kelley (23:08):
in New York. So many nurses and doctors will not
get the vaccine. They I thinkit's today don't they get fired
today that the governor or lateris going to call into National
Guard with medical experience tothere's going to be a major
shortage here starting today.
Tim Stout (23:28):
We should have the doc back on say, we think over
there, Steve, I'll keep up withhis social media posts.
Dallas Kelley (23:33):
So So with all the medical people, you're
hearing about refusing thevaccine? Who do you listen to?
Well, I mean, you always hearlisten to science. Well, they're
medical people and they're notgetting it. You know,
Tim Stout (23:48):
I bet the doc has an opinion on that. I know, I've
been keeping up with this post.
He did say that he kind of feelslike the leaf peaked. And it's
been in and out now, which isgood, obviously good news. But
the bad news is they terminateall these people that refuse the
vaccine. There was already ahealthcare worker shortage. Yep,
that's gonna be worse, right?
Dallas Kelley (24:08):
But my point is, you got doctors out there. And
I'm not saying he'll be one ofthem. But don't listen to them.
Doctors. Listen to me. Whilethey're doctors too, so you can
see where the how that'sconfusing, confusing.
Tim Stout (24:21):
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things that are going
on each. Each situation I'm not,I'm not a fan of vaccine
mandates. I'm vaccinated. We'reall vaccinated in this room. But
I think each individual and Ihas some examples that I'm not
going to share but I have somesome real life examples that I
(24:41):
know where people haven't gotthe vaccine and they have
legitimate reasons not to getthe vaccine after consulting
with their medical professional.
And that's, you know, that'sjust how it is. We talked a
little bit about this last lastshow about on the free side of
it. About mandating on the we'renot really mandating on the
preset. But shaming, shaming,shaming brace it and it's it's
(25:02):
the same thing. I mean it's
Dallas Kelley (25:06):
and depending on where they live, they could
either get fired or not beallowed in mass. Right?
Tim Stout (25:12):
Yeah, the Canadian bishops came off of that. I'll
just say that. Yeah, they didcome off of that. They had, they
had basically I don't know ifyou knew that or not, but the
Canadian bishops actually said,you have to have proof of
vaccine to get into church. DidYeah. But then they they said,
we're handling we can do that.
There's, I'm sure there's acanon law that says that you
can't do that. But guess thebishop ordinary can do what he
(25:36):
wants? You know, I just don't,you know, I don't I don't like
the way we're castigatingpeople. Without understanding
that I'm not talking about me,I'm just saying, society in
general can castigate peoplebecause they decide for
legitimate reason that it'snobody else's business about not
getting a vaccine. So I wouldlike for it to be over and I do
(26:01):
understand that people thinkhey, I've got to go get tests
I'm vaccinated I got to go gettested all these times and if
everybody would just getvaccinated I would have to go do
this all but I'm telling you,there's a lot of breakthrough
cases that I know of. I know alot of people that have been
(26:22):
vaccinated and I say a lot youknow, seven or eight that I
personally know that have beenvaccinated and got COVID COVID
me I'm sure you know somebody Doyou know anybody that that case
I'd
Dallas Kelley (26:36):
have to think I don't think about it I'm not all
fan I don't know.
Tim Stout (26:41):
I just want it to be over I'm tired of it.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (26:45):
You know, it's not gonna be over
Dallas Kelley (26:48):
what you got and once again we talked about this
is supposed to be the worstever, because the hospitals are
more for now than they were withthe peak of the you know, the
first round and yet we go intorestaurants and stores no mask,
Tim Stout (27:00):
and we might have went to a Dodger baseball
Dallas Kelley (27:03):
stadiums or full jam pack then. The Dodgers lost
that game. Yeah, but they wantthe next two then. Yeah.
Tim Stout (27:12):
It's crunch time.
Baseball. Baseball. Good time tobe a Dodger fan
Dallas Kelley (27:15):
and a Bengals fan. They'd be Pittsburgh. Yeah.
Who today right. Today's
Tim Stout (27:19):
day is pretty excited. It's nice day. Steve is
working Thursday night this weekthat the Bengals are playing the
Jags on Thursday night. ThursdayNight Football. So watch for
Steve on the sidelines, youmight see glimpses of him
running around crazy. So let's,let's go get ready to switch
(27:40):
topics.
Dallas Kelley (27:41):
Yep.
Tim Stout (27:43):
Let's see we're gonna patch up eight here in just a
second. Just give me a second toget ready. We're gonna start
with this little video
Dallas Kelley (27:52):
on the Trinity on the Trinity, which Jesus is a
part of. Yeah, no, no, no, he'snot part of right. God don't
come in part person's video. letyou know.
Tim Stout (28:03):
So here we go.
Hopefully you give me a upsideif I if you get it if you get
the sound. Are you ready?
Unknown (28:21):
Okay, Patrick, tell us a bit more about this Trinity
thing. Yeah. Patrick, tell usbut remember that we're simple
people without your fancyeducation and books and
learning. And we're hearingabout all of this for the first
time. So try to keep it simple.
Okay, Patrick? Yeah, realsimple, Patrick. Sure. There
are three persons of the Trinitythe Father, the Son and the Holy
(28:42):
Spirit. Yet there is only oneGod.
Don't get what you're sayinghere. Patrick, not picking up
what you're laying down here.
Patrick, could you use ananalogy, Patrick?
Sure. The Trinity is like waterand how you can find water in
three different forms liquid andice and vapor.
(29:05):
That modalism Patrick, whatmoralism and ancient heresy
confess by teachers such as noatheist and Sibelius, which
espouses that God is not threedistinct persons, but that he
merely reveals himself in threedifferent forms. This heresy was
clearly condemned in canon oneat the first Council of
Constantinople and 381 ad andthose who confess it cannot
rightly be considered a part ofthe church Catholic. Come on
(29:25):
Patra. Yeah, get it together,Patrick.
Okay. Then the Trinity is likethe sun in the sky, where you
have the star, and the light andthe heat.
Oh, Patrick, come on, Patrick.
That arianism Patrick arianismYes, arianism Patrick theology
(29:46):
which states that Christ and theHoly Spirit are creations of the
Father and not one in naturewith him exactly. Like how heat
and light are not the staritself, but are merely creations
of the star. That's a badanalogy Patrick are the worst
Patrick.
All right, sorry. The Trinity islike this three leaf clover
(30:06):
here. I'mgoing to stop you right there,
Patrick. Yeah, hold your horses.
Patrick, you're about toconfess. partialism, partialism?
Yes, partialism, a heresy, whichasserts that the Father, Son and
Holy Spirits are not distinctpersons of the Godhead, but are
different parts of God, eachcomposing 1/3 of the Divine
and who confesses the heresy ofpartial is the first
(30:27):
season at a cartoon programVoltron where five robot lion
cars merge together to form onegiant robot samurai, obviously,
I've never heard of Voltron, ofcourse, and it's not going to
exist for another 1500 yearsnow. Patrick, yeah, get with the
program, Patrick. I mean,really, Patrick? I'm gonna stab
you in the face, Patrick. Okay,that was probably a bit much.
(30:51):
Alright, I'll try again. TheTrinity is like how the same man
can be a husband and a fatherand an employer moralism again
alright then it's like the threelayers of an hour so there's a
revisited fine the Trinity is amystery which cannot be
comprehended by human reasoning,but is understood only through
faith and his best confessed andthe words of the athanasian
Creed, which says that weworship one God and Trinity and
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unity neither confusing thepersons are dividing the
substance that we are compelledby the Christian truth to
confess that each distinctperson is God and Lord, and that
the deity of the Father, theSon, and the Holy Spirit is one
equaling glory co equal inmajesty.
Well, why didn't you just saythat, Patrick? Yeah, quit
beating around the bush,Patrick. Now let's all put on
some giant green form hats getriotously drunk and vomit in the
(31:33):
Chicago River to celebrate ourconversion.
Dallas Kelley (31:44):
Can you repeat the definition? Again, somebody
real fast.
Tim Stout (31:50):
I mean, that's what makes it confusing, right? We've
had Dallas and I were talkingabout for one show that I need
to meet. Paul will show thatyou've probably heard some of
those examples used in RCA.
Right? Yeah. So I mean, it'sjust
Dallas Kelley (32:06):
so we need to tell is it Pat, now that those
are heresies don't use thoseexample, the clover in the water
and the ice and the gas.
Tim Stout (32:17):
So I think the best thing to know about the Trinity
is, you think you understand it.
You're all right.
Dallas Kelley (32:24):
And if you do understand that you're one of
the three
Tim Stout (32:30):
and so I think that's why when we talk about Jesus
Christ is purely human, right?
That's human 100% human. It'shard for people to grasp. Right?
So what else do we need to crossoff on the person of Jesus
Christ there Padre? Were youthinking I got no notes on us.
It's all got to come from here.
(32:53):
This is all
Dallas Kelley (32:54):
you got to you got to resort back to your would
you do eight years of college?
Your seminary How long have youbeen
Fr. Linh Nguyen (33:02):
eight years? I think the the incarnation of
Jesus is very important, verycrucial. That is one of the
greatest doctrine I think forbut we have
Dallas Kelley (33:14):
of the Incarnation conversion which I
just went over with my class isvery
Fr. Linh Nguyen (33:19):
important because it is sum up everything
about the redemption. You know,oftentimes we thought, Jesus,
okay, Kim died for us. And herise. You know, he, you know,
I'm saying when you hear that isalmost like the we've normalized
that right, normalize that. Butthere's a reason why you know,
(33:42):
his dad, it's not any otherdeath. No, that's God.
Tim Stout (33:47):
Yeah. Because if you if you just think of it as God,
then yeah, God can do that,right? God can do anything. But
when you think of it, you say,oh, okay, that's not a big deal.
It is a big deal because of theincarnation. But yeah, it's
those those those bookends thatset apart our faith versus any
other faith.
Dallas Kelley (34:07):
I remember I asked one of the kids or one of
the classes, I forget which oneI said, Okay, the Incarnation is
when Jesus was put in the wombof Mary, you know, the
Annunciation that day. Anybodyknow when we celebrate it, and
somebody thought for a secondone of the kids went to, if I
had to guess it was nine monthsprior to Christmas. said exactly
(34:30):
March 25.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (34:32):
There you go.
That's very good. You know, it'srequire that extensive
conversation, I'm saying, Ithink one of the tragic for us
and we allow the society tocapture a certain celebration.
One of the things we miss out isall the small celebration the
(34:55):
all the sayings of the fee. No,like, I don't see Asian, we
never talk about it. If we, ifwe get lucky, we settled on
Sunday or a fall on Sunday. Wenever heard about it. And there
has to be a reason we have tobring that back somehow.
Dallas Kelley (35:15):
Yeah, I just showed him a movie Our Lady of
Fatima. And there's a scene inthere where they're celebrating
St. Anthony's feast day, and itwas a big to do. Everybody, all
the villages gathered, they gaveit gave away this big donkey
pulled in this big cart full ofbread, and they handed out a
bunch of food and bigcelebration for St. Anthony's
(35:36):
feast day.
Tim Stout (35:37):
It used to happen in the, in the parishes, whoever
they were named after. Right. Soand that's something we've never
really done here. Right? St.
JOHN, the evangelist, john doe,or even St. Francis to sail,
we've never really had a bigdeal going on about that feast
day. There's another big feastday coming up this set tomorrow.
The archangels is this week, Ithink tomorrow is tomorrow. Is
(36:00):
that a celebrity? Or is thatjust a suffix these day? Yeah, I
mean, I think that, you know, iffor your, for your kids, they're
getting a little bit of that,right? Catholic school kids get
a little bit of that. But ifyou're, if you've converted as
an adult, and you're not goingto daily mass, you're not you're
(36:22):
not hearing about those things,just Jesus do, you have to seek
it out. And that's something Ithink in the sort of today's
culture where we're so sopulled, we're pulled in so many
different directions, that it'shard to kind of focus in on
something like that. And ifyou're only going to church on
Sunday, which is 90%, right?
(36:45):
Just that's
Dallas Kelley (36:46):
99
Tim Stout (36:49):
I was trying to be generous. So
Dallas Kelley (36:52):
in which you know, it's just people's got a
workload, you know, got to workand things you know, but
sometimes during the day youjust can't go to a lot of that
stuff.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (37:01):
So that was one of the reason john paul to
implement the illuminous mysteryright in the rosary here. The
may lumens mystery it then isspeak about the life of Jesus
Christ is about what thatprocess is of no and even a
station of the cross we we don'tuse that anymore practically you
(37:24):
know even doing doing lead verysmall group people participate
in that. So the remember theCatholic back in the 50s and a
62 or 270 that is part of ourliving right now.
Tim Stout (37:40):
Remember that you would have a school right? I
mean, I remember I rememberStations of the Cross and it'd
be we were an air conditionedchurch It was hot and people
pass it out because we'd alsohave been addiction and at the
end of it and it was just hotand but it was it ingrained
something in you when you'rewhen you're experiencing those
(38:03):
stations that it Catholic Churchhas in school as a kid every
Friday during Lent you rememberit it's an experience and you
you say you come to appreciateit I think most people do if
they're still balls interfaithbut you know what? I just think
that that that's something thatwe got to agree with. You gotta
(38:26):
be creative, somehow. Figure outhow to bring it back.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (38:29):
Basically, you know, when can you last time
have a conversation about theAnnunciation like Dallas I was a
student today Oh wow, why thepeople go through all CIA know
more about our faith than we do?
Because they talk verydiligently about in detail and
so you know, some of the greatmajor feats we celebrate
(38:49):
tomorrow nobody's gonna knowabout the the archangels
Tim Stout (38:59):
a good place to start though I agree. luminous
mysteries are a good one. Youknow sometimes they think they
get shortchanged because youYou're always supposed to say
those ones away. I go up bookswhen he
Dallas Kelley (39:11):
first came out with that if you remember there
was some resistance Oh, peopledon't like change. Oh yeah. You
know, you can't just insert newmysteries it's the rosary and
now it's widely accepted youknow it's been so many years
Tim Stout (39:25):
that he's a saint to that then oh, I don't know what
the what it is about that butyou know when you look back
retrospectively and it's a saintnow that's that instituted
something it's it's prettyinspiring. So I think the
luminous mysteries are myfavorite just, you know, because
I like the wedding again anyway.
Right? I love that whole story.
(39:48):
And you know, we hear that acouple times throughout through
the course of the year Dawei onSunday. So but somebody was a
you that were preached aboutthat that somebody preached in
the last couple weeks. It sayssomething about that. They'd
like that story because it'sgreat advice.
Dallas Kelley (40:05):
Just I think it was fatherly. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim Stout (40:08):
Do it. Do do what Jesus said, What do you say? Do
what he says, Yeah, he broughtit up. Yeah. Just do what he
says and that we question that,right? That's pretty. That's
pretty good advice, right? Justdo what Jesus tells you to do,
you'll be alright. It's just,you got to cut through the noise
to hear what Jesus is saying. Soand I think that as a person, as
a human person, I think that'swhy we can we're encouraged to
(40:31):
relate to him because he washumans.
Dallas Kelley (40:34):
And at the same time that that that quote, do
what he says is people alwayswonder how much Mary knew. That
was Mary's way of saying, Well,I know a lot. Yes, it is your
time, it's your time to startyour ministry, do whatever he
says, you know, this is yourtime, get going.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (40:53):
You know, for me, those celebration is so
important. Because it kind ofpush us into sometimes
encountering the experience andoftentimes our okay Jesus, over
very quick about it, you know,that's why for me, I love was
that a series called The Chosenit great that he granted you
(41:15):
know, the, the director or thewriter that kind of filled the
gap, the experience of whatJesus is and the disciples and
all that. But it, it gives youmine a lie of the fresh of
imagination, about what thatlife Jesus was about. And it
gives you a fresh perspective,you know, and so to do to have a
(41:41):
relationship with a person ofJesus Christ, is about that is
about the daily encounter andthe church, give us a lot of
opportunity or instrument, likethe rosary, you know, reflect on
the scripture lexer Vina acentering prayer, you know, all
of that,
Tim Stout (42:00):
then this, I mean, you said already the saints, the
lives of those, those are, thoseare real people.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (42:07):
And it moves us into, like, you know, you could
always show the sign of the day,you know, how Wester slows, you
remember that there was a songfor Christmas, they say nothing
about Jesus, about this guy. Androll up into the heart of Jesus
Christ.
Tim Stout (42:29):
I think that's a, that's a great summary of what
the church offers that wesometimes we forget about.
Right? We've got the lives ofthe saints, we, we forget, play
with the exception of MotherTeresa, and john paul, because
we, a lot of us, grew up at thesame time, but we hear we hear
(42:51):
the stories of the saints and weeven the story of Jesus and the
time that he lived and So, sofar away, it's hard to grasp.
And I think that's, you'reright, I think the chosen is
something that that gives thatreally highlights the humanity
of Jesus. Right, the the realstuff outside of the Gospels,
(43:13):
you know, and you know, there, Iwon't say it's fiction, but
they're filling in the gaps,right? They're filling in the
gaps, and but they're, they'reshowing those emotions, those
real life experiences that hehad, you know, I think we do we
forget about that. And then whenyou can grasp that, I think when
you can grasp that, when you canreally relate to the that
(43:36):
personal personal side of Jesus,when you then get to the
passion, that's when it becomeseven more real real, right?
Because now you've developedthis relationship that you can
really feel like Jesus was waswas human like me, and he
(43:57):
experienced like, like I did,and, you know, he had friends
that let him down. You know, hehad great friends and good bad
friends and just all that stuff.
And then when you get to thepoint of the suffering and the
death now you're like, Whoa,that's Yeah, I mean, that it
means more at that point. So
Fr. Linh Nguyen (44:13):
that's another point I want to captured with
you guys is, you know, work withyoung people nationally. And
locally. The thing that actuallymoved them a lot over the issue
of social justice, you know,Catholic heart, for example,
gift love that stuff. Because itcaught into the activity of the
emotional, truly encounter, andthat when you tap, relate that
(44:39):
to what Jesus is about. And theyhave this, oh, I was like, got
it. You know, I'm saying. So Ithink as a church as as Minister
or as clergies we have to bevery creative in that. I think
it's so important. You know,watching the chosen And the
(45:01):
whole thing about fishing Dallastalk a whole lot. It has a
different meaning now, you know,when when Peter tried to get
catch the fish, and how Jesusturned his boat almost over
overflow with fishes, and theirsignificant meaning, and that
they tie to that. And so I thinkthat incarnation That's what I'm
(45:25):
talking about, you know, I'llbear and talk about the the
truth, the beauty, you know,there is that neatness that that
bring about that joy, you know?
And so you know, for me thatthat that person of Jesus Christ
using the great incarnation, IIology process, if you will, that
(45:47):
that challenge us as a church inmany way, try to bring young
people back or parenting, makesure we are aware of those
opportunity, if you will, thatthat can be integrate better. So
that I agree, did
Tim Stout (46:08):
you when you were thinking about that, and you
were about social justice, oneof the things that that kind of
jumped out of me, coming out aremore for me, it's the same thing
when we talk about theenvironment, right? There's
this, there's this politicalclash up here that says, bad
doesn't cause global warming.
Bad does cause global warming.
(46:30):
But down here in the everydaythings of life, who wants to
take their oil and dump it outin their backyard anymore? Did
you ever do that as a kid? Imean, we had a fence where we
report in a ditch Yeah. Youdon't do that.
Dallas Kelley (46:45):
I dropped it off at Walmart this morning.
Tim Stout (46:48):
You don't do that anymore. It is and and, you
know, we can sit up here we candebate about, you know, climate
change and all those things. Butat the end of the day, we should
take care of the environment.
It's not, it's not difficult.
You know what it's not apolitical statement about and I
think most people get that. It'sjust that we want to go and be
(47:10):
either Democrat or Republican,liberal or conservative. That's
our, that's our, our zones thatwe like to operate in. And what
we need to operate in is, as aCatholic, is a little bit
different than
Fr. Linh Nguyen (47:22):
that was definitely a preach this
morning. Remember, the gospelhave to do with James and john.
It'll be powerful Jesus, have aSamaritan town, on his way
Jerusalem to die. And the towndid not welcome him. They came
to Jesus say, you know, the sinof thunder john, say, do you
(47:44):
want to call fire to burn them?
Tim Stout (47:47):
rain down fire.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (47:48):
He said, leave him alone. You know, if we are
so quick to react, but I waspreaching about we, even with
Jesus, we become so caught upwith ourselves, or environment
in any situation, we caught upup truth that we become untruth.
Absolutely no. And so what Jesussignify and called is to make
(48:12):
sure you harvest in the truth,just like early we talked about,
you know, National Catholicreporter, or non your at&t and
whatever you are. Where is thetruth lies? I think what Pope
Francis called tour, you cancriticize me, but don't
criticize the church. The churchis truth, right?
Tim Stout (48:29):
The churches is working in a very tough
environment today, you know, andtrying, trying, trying to do
good. Don't always succeed. Butwe're trying right?
Dallas Kelley (48:41):
don't preach we have this weekend. What did he
say in every mass? Who is themost generous organization?
planet
Tim Stout (48:51):
as last week? Oh, it was? Yeah, you know, you have
the large you have this, thelargest charitable organization
in the country's CatholicChurch, the largest educator of
people in the world is theCatholic Church. You know, we we
just, there's a lot of greatthings about the church, I go
back to even something that thegospel this week that I think
(49:14):
hits the nail on the head righthere and kind of breaks down
these divisions that we have.
And that, you know, basically ifJesus said, you know, if, if
they're not against us, it'sokay. You know, if they're, if
they're not, you know, preachingagainst us, and they're using my
name, nothing bad can come outof that. I just think we've
(49:36):
we've lost that. In our culture,we we've we've we've politicized
everything. I mean, everybody inthe church. Absolutely. No, the
church is not, you know, it'sthe church is not exempt from
that at all. And you know, weWe've got to figure out I don't
(50:00):
know how to do it, if I did, I'dbe a rich man, but we got to
figure out how to turn thetables around and, and make it
more about who we are as peopleand the acts of love that we do
that that are the basis forbeing Catholic, the basis for
social justice, the basis foryou know, protecting the
(50:23):
environment, the basis forloving our neighbor, all the all
of this stuff. We need to unplugthe size because at the end of
the day, you know, if you gotsomebody and you said hey, we
don't wanna talk about politics,we just want to know how should
we treat this person. I thinkmost people would understand how
they want to want to trade. Butwe because we can't do that in a
(50:47):
in a isolated environment. We'reworried about what other people
will think about us and the onlyperson we should be worried
about only person. person weshould be worried about how they
feel about us as Jesus
Dallas Kelley (51:04):
person, a person of Jesus.
Tim Stout (51:08):
Any comments on there? Not a one not one that
Fr. Linh Nguyen (51:11):
I want to add this recently I heard about this
Pope Francis plan to call asalad out of the whole universal
church in a three year process.
I don't house that sub dividebasically Bishop could have made
in a deanery I think, as asenate and then come together in
the universal church with thePope. It's a three year plan
(51:35):
call the Synod. Oh, really lookover pray to the Holy Spirit.
And Rhian Kindle, the spiritdesert, it was a lot going on I
didn't read much more detail but
Tim Stout (51:49):
when we talk about that next time we could talk
about next
Dallas Kelley (51:51):
aren't a first gonna have a session on how to
have a Senate. I heard it.
Really? Yeah,
Tim Stout (51:57):
I mean, the German bishops kind of screwed that up
for everybody. I mean, no,
Fr. Linh Nguyen (52:03):
I think all of this what the pope tried to do
with this senator that got thefunny word senator and send it
all had to do with the universalhe want to convene that I think
by the year binomial to 2324,something like that.
Tim Stout (52:24):
Hey, before we get to the saying of the day Steve, can
you punch up that other graphicthat we had? graphic I'm talking
about?
Dallas Kelley (52:37):
One any 3d food down with Kelly right hand
corner back outside of myclothes. The sound before Scott
Scott It was also at a time thatI could raise my arm over my
(53:02):
head without being in
Tim Stout (53:15):
Dallas Kelly father mentioned it earlier saying of
the day I can't pronounce itright Can somebody help me out
here it says Laos. Went sisLaos. He was? Well we're gonna
find out where he's from,because I think I'm Sylvania.
Let's find out. Here we go.
Unknown (53:33):
This is Franciscan media saint of the day for
September 28. St. Wenceslaswe're more used to hearing the
name of today's st during theChristmas season. When we hear
the Carroll good king Wenceslas.
The familiar song does give us ahint about the man who was
indeed a good king in 10thcentury Bohemia. Once this law
stood for Christian values,amidst political intrigue,
(53:54):
religious rivalry, and divisionwithin his own family, his
saintly grandmother lewd Milla,raised him and sought to promote
him as a ruler in place of hismother, who favored the anti
christian factions. Though LuMila was eventually murdered,
the Christian forces werevictorious, and once this loss
became king, his role was markedby efforts toward political
(54:16):
unification within Bohemiasupport of the church and
peacemaking negotiations withGermany. Many opposes policies,
including his own brother boluslove, who joined a plot to
replace him after invitingwenceslaus to celebrate a
religious feast. bolas Slavattacked his brother in the
struggle once this loss waskilled, although his death in
(54:36):
929 resulted primarily frompolitical upheaval. Once this
loss was hailed as a martyr forthe faith. His relics were taken
to the Church of St. vitus inPrague, and his tomb became a
pilgrimage shrine. There's moreabout the saints along with
inspiration and Catholicresources at our website, Saint
of the day.org from Franciscanmedia. This is In st of the day,
Tim Stout (55:02):
I love those names. I mean, that's what we need to be
doing. We need to be like, usingsome of these site names as part
of real names.
Dallas Kelley (55:13):
Why don't we, when we build a new church, why
don't we rename it? st onewishes. Once this law was like,
will it start being saved? St.
W.
Tim Stout (55:26):
It's kind of like my grandson. His name is ace. I had
to search long and hard thatthere was a St. ACLs. So we call
him ACLs. That's not his realname, his name's ace. But, Ico
sounds a whole lot better thanjust days, I think. Sorry,
Katie. had to throw that outthere. Hey, next show next. Two
(55:47):
weeks from today, Tuesday,October 12. Market down. You
know, we were supposed to havesome hardware here this week.
That looked a whole lot likeEmmys. And Steve had lot going
on today. But Steve, October 12.
Find those keys unlock thosebabies. And let's bring them in
at least one. Can you bring themall I mean, we'll we'll put them
(56:07):
all down there in front. But wewant we want people to know that
this is an Emmy produce show. Somaybe we're going to talk to
Steve about his his life andjourney because he's got a story
where he did a story on St. popejohn paul. Second. So hopefully
maybe on October 12. We'll betalking about that. So the guy
(56:30):
thoughts, questions, orsuggestions for topics? Let us
know. Jesus Christ. Part Threeconcludes our series on Jesus
Christ. You have anything elseto say about that? No.
Dallas Kelley (56:49):
No, this that's what it's all about Jesus.
Tim Stout (56:55):
As lost last year on that mic there Padre. Alright,
so check out ssF j.org ss f j.
s. Alright, Steve. I'm justgonna blow through that ssF.
j.org to contribute to theministries that St. Francis have
john, tell your friends. Andmost of all, spread the gospel.
Jesus Christ. Love yourneighbor. Love each other. Too
(57:18):
simple as that. By the land. Canyou throw a blessing on us if
your mics working there?
Dallas Kelley (57:29):
Amen.
Tim Stout (57:31):
Your your mic wasn't working. It's been out there it
is. It was me. Here's my phone.
Fr. Linh Nguyen (57:37):
There you go.
Try it again. One more time.
What The Lord be with you Andwith your spirit. May almighty
God bless you, the Father andthe Son and the Holy Spirit.
Tim Stout (57:46):
Hey, man. Hey, until next time, I'm
Dallas Kelley (57:49):
taking Tim I'm thinking
Fr. Linh Nguyen (57:51):
father linguine Good night, everybody. Good
night. Did you ever stop andthink why spend too much time?
Unknown (58:12):
Maybe. I don't know or saying the thing that I haven't
noticed. When I see you my heartstarts racing, but I don't know
what the length is.
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