February 19, 2025 • 41 mins
This episode is an intro into what a dead mom scavenger hunt even is and helps describe how we plan to honor Bonnie's legacy while reflecting on the beauty of friendship and family amidst loss.
• Discussing Bonnie's influential role in our lives
• Delving into Bonnie's illness and her final wishes
• The emotional blackmail that sparked the scavenger hunt
• Highlights from our memorable Alaska trip
• Celebrating the connections made through shared experiences
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, we're podcasting Hi.
Hi, let's podcast Welcomeeveryone, welcome to Dead Mom
Scavenger Hunt.
I'm Christmas and I'm Kara andI just hit my mic, so already
we're winning.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's okay, this first one's probably gonna be a
little rough.
Yes, emotionally Did weintroduce Birdie.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Oh, I'm sorry, this is Birdie.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
This is my fur child who is?
Demanding to be involved at themoment, but yes, emotionally
and also just awkward yeah, likeI'm gonna kick my shoes off.
Our tech holds up.
This has been a whole journey.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, our it person might get fired.
We're really more arts thanpeople.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
People, yeah, yeah, this is a really weird thing.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Wait, who's our tech person?
You, You're our tech person, itain't Bernie?
Well, well, it's okay.
So we thought we should pop onand this is episode one.
This is episode one.
Yeah, Don't listen to me everabout anything.
We wanted to kind of talk aboutwhat this is even about or
(01:04):
going to be about.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yes.
So, we kind of have to take itback, yes To.
Was there like was there aninciting incident for you?
Because there was for me.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
An inciting incident about what Like we should
podcast this.
No.
That sort of like launched thejourney that was the death of
bonnie, because no, because Ithink I had seen it coming for a
lot longer than you and I mean,and she had said all along, you
(01:40):
know, with the ms, like ifthings start to go bad, I'm not
going to die of natural causes.
Like if things start to getreally shitty, you know I'm
going to peace out.
So I think I.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
We probably need to back up even more than that.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, I probably saw it coming.
So let's talk about what we sawcoming.
So, my mom for our purposeshere, kara's mom, so if you just
hear us call her mom, we wereChristmas and I were really,
really tight when we were little.
Yes, we were best friends.
I gave her lice, yeah, whichshe doesn't remember and it
traumatized me forever.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I don't, I don't.
I do remember the time you cameand stayed and we slept in my
little twin bed together andthat's probably where, where
they crawled on me, probablywhen we were all snuggled up
together, probably.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, I.
She had this long, beautiful,like straw blonde hair and I was
kind of feral as a child andhad, you know, wild brunette
hair that had lice that crawledon.
I gave my best friend lice andit was traumatizing and I
remember her mom like combingout her hair, her crying because
(02:47):
it sucks and it hurts and mefeeling terrible, and then her
mom was combing out my hair,muttering under her breath.
I don't think so.
I felt I felt the emotionalmutter and sweet sweet Kara
decided to go to the piano andpractice piano to try to soothe
me.
I'm sure you were soothed, Ilove chopsticks.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I love chopsticks To this day to this day.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Whenever I feel sad, I'm like can anyone bust out
some chopsticks for me?
No, we were very tight and wewere both tight with my mom at
different times.
I'm a little bit older thanKara Four years, I think it's
five.
Five years, um, four and a half.
We'll split the difference,we're gonna call it four and a
half.
(03:32):
So when I went away to college,kara was obviously still in
high school and I moved tosouthern California.
Kara stayed in NorthernCalifornia, where we're from,
and her mom was not around, somy mom became her mother figure.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
She was, bonnie, was like a kind of a critical figure
in my life during, like my lateteens, early twenties even
early thirties, oh for sure,when I was pretty, like, pretty
fucked up and traumatized frommy own childhood.
Still, she was a therapist.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yes, she was, yes, she was excellent therapist and
so basically I got free therapyall the time.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, um, I, I credit her with my marriage, with
being married still.
We've been married for almost20 years and I wouldn't be with
jeremy if it wasn't for bonnie,because she would like snap me
back to attention when I neededto be smacked around I thought
you said that she was're goingto say that she was responsible
because she was the officiant.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Well, she did, she also did she just legally did
the thing, literally make surethat we got married.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
You don't have to stay if you don't want to she
was ready with the getaway car,right, yeah, just kidding,
jeremy, not that he'll listen tothis.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
No, he'll be.
He's our secret cheering squadand he's gonna make.
He's gonna make hammy.
He will make hammy.
Oh, his name's hammer.
He will make hammy.
Oh, he already did in thetrailer he did in the trailer.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You have listened to the trailer.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Listen to the trailer and you hear someone going
nailed it.
It's my husband from pointsunknown.
Um, I didn't know he waslistening.
I didn't either.
I assume he only listens toabout 30 of what I say.
Yeah, yeah, so you were gonefor a while.
Yeah, I was in SouthernCalifornia for 11 years.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And I spent a ton of time with Bonnie during that
period of time, yes, and we gotreally tight.
And then you came home and Igot married and had a baby and
sort of faded into thebackground a little more.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, we kind of had Bonnie as a single, only child
at different points in our life.
Yeah, I would say that'saccurate.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And then she got diagnosed with MS.
Yes, she got diagnosed with MSIn like I was thinking, as I lay
awake in bed last nightthinking about how this
conversation might go today, Iwas like when was that?
And I think it was like 2002.
Cause I was still in college.
But I was like on the tail endof college and I remember we
went to the pervy chiropractor.
That was one of the firstpeople she went to to see if she
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could get diagnosed.
What's going on with me, myhands feel numb She'd gotten in
a car accident like rear-endedor something, and then her hands
went on them and we went to thepervy chiropractor up Home of
the pervy chiropractors Arethere more.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I don't know.
I hope so.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Oh I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
My dentist is there.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
He's not pervy at all , that was so traumatic Like you
walked into this old buildingthat was brick and time ceased
to exist.
Elvis was playing on the radio,that's right, and it wasn't
like we had Elvis radio on AppleTunes or whatever or whatever.
It was just nothing.
And there was a, an emptynurse's station where the nurses
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never were.
It was like this old hospitalthat had been converted into a.
Did he only take cash?
There was one man there, oneperfect chiropractor and your
mom and me, and that was it thewhole.
We were there for hours.
Did he only take cash?
I don't know what he took, buthe took something from us that
day part of your soul she wasback in that room and it was
like all of the furniture waslike 50s kind of art deco
situation.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Do you think my phone ?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
didn't work.
I had, like my first cell phoneand it didn't work.
Inside the building we slippedinto a time warp.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I was going to say do you think you slipped into
another dimension?
Yeah, I do.
He was a time traveler.
I do, it's possible.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And he she reported when we left she said let's get
the fuck out of here, yeah, andshe had.
He had like stripped her nakedbasically and measured every
inch of her body to see like howequal she was.
There's parts of my body Idon't want measured, thank you,
very much.
She said every inch.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So anyway, that's all .
Your butthole is twocentimeters by two centimeters.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I don't the the pervy chiropractor tried to diagnose
her.
Eventually she did get adiagnosis of MS.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yes, she got diagnosed with MS but luckily
she was pretty asymptomatic.
Yeah, I'm picturing it as likeFor a long time.
Yeah, late 90s, early 2000s.
She was asymptomatic for a longtime, except she would get like
numbness in her hands.
She would get overheated.
She's really sensitive to heat.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
No hot tubs for her.
Uh, as her doc told her, evencoming to sacramento I live in
the sacramento area.
Yeah, it was too hot.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
She was like ah, yeah , um, yeah, I live in sonoma
county, which is where she lived, and it's much cooler here,
especially in western SonomaCounty.
Um, and then she startedgetting more and more
symptomatic and it reallystarted.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, and you remember the last time she came
up to visit me.
She had a hard time walking upthe walkway, yeah, and that was
startling to me because I hadn'tseen her in a little while.
Yeah, and I didn't realize thatit had gotten that bad.
And then one day I got a phonecall from you in 2022 late, was
it 2023?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
uh, no, it's it had.
Uh, it was 2023 was it?
It was the same year she died.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, you called me like a couple months before she
died and you were like well, I'mcalling in the cavalry because
mom wants to be done, yeah, yeah.
She said she's ready to takeherself out, and I didn't really
.
I mean, I make sense that thatwas the plan, but I hadn't heard
that that was the plan, right,and so I didn't realize that I'd
gotten that bad until youcalled yeah, and then we all
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came out.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Well, she also had kind of stepped back in terms of
she didn't want people to seeher like that, stepped back in
terms of she didn't want peopleto see her like that.
So, while she was great aboutlike texting and phone calls and
all of that, um, she didn't seea lot of people.
And also this was coming out ofthe pandemic, yes, where she
was, you know, very worried,having an autoimmune disease,
and didn't see anyone for a lotof that, even me, which in
(09:21):
retrospect, I think a lot ofthat.
Even me, which in retrospect, Ithink a lot of it was because
she didn't want me to see thedecline as much either.
So, yeah, she got to a pointwhere she was completely bed
bound and couldn't do anythingfor herself, um, showering.
Obviously couldn't walk, shecould still use her hands.
(09:43):
Um, those were kind of the lastto start going.
And I don't know how much mostof you know about the right to
die option here in California,which, thank God, we had that as
an option.
You have to be able to hold thedrink and drink it yourself.
You can't be assisted in that.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I think a lot of people don't even realize that
that's an option in California.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, it is, it may not be for very much longer.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Who knows I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
yeah, things are going yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
You know that's another podcast maybe.
Yeah, Hopefully thank God, itwas an option when things
started to get really bad forher.
Yeah, um, and so that's whywe're here, because she
blackmailed us.
She emotionally blackmailed usand to to be fair, she did 100.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Say I am fine with emotional blackmail, yeah, and
what a gift.
Yeah.
So she, before she died, shegifted us a list of tasks that
we had to accomplish together.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Um, sans husbands.
And yeah, there were rules nohusbands, no kids.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I don't have kids, but kara's kid wasn't invited.
You probably tried to bringbirdie if you could.
No, no birdie.
Um and the.
There's several legs to thelist, but the first one was that
we had to go on a cruise toAlaska together which was maybe
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the last thing on my bucket list.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
If no, it just wasn't .
I love.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Alaska.
I am not a cruiser, kara is nota cruiser.
I had been on one cruise beforeand knew to the depths of my
soul that cruising was not forme.
But she said it had to be acruise.
So we were like, okay, how dowe go on a cruise without really
going on a cruise?
So we found the nat geo one.
(11:35):
Well, we had to do it within ayear, yes, the first time.
Well, we had to do one of thetrip tasks within a year, um,
and the we started on Alaska.
The first one was the Nat Geoone, or Smithsonian, I don't
remember where we were allsigned up and then the company
went oh no, it wasn't Nat Geo.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Um, it wasn't Nat Geo , but yeah, smithsonian Audubon,
it was something nature.
There was one that was yeah, wewere like signed up and ready
to go and they wouldn't take, uh, the credit card and I was like
, let me give you monies, wouldlove to give you the monies,
please.
And and I kept calling back andthen we got, um, the website
went down and there was just amessage that said we're out of
business and I'm like, well, I'mreally glad they didn't take my
(12:17):
money, yeah thanks for nottaking the monies um.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So we asked around, did a lot of research, yes,
individually, more researchtogether.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
So much research, because that is a big investment
, it's a big time chunk like,yeah, we had never really
traveled anywhere beforetogether either.
No, and not just the two of us.
No, because, again, we hadn'tspent a ton of time together
since we were kids and comingback together as adults like we
did.
We did bond a lot during theplanning phase.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well, and also in the last several months of mom's
life.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, that was trauma bonding, hey, I mean, the trip
was a little bit of traumabonding too.
Trauma bonding is bonding.
You know, I guess you gave melife.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
That's trauma, that was my trauma Is all of our
bonding trauma.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
bonding that was my trauma Is all of our bonding
trauma bonding.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I mean no, no, no.
There's a lot of laughterbonding, a lot of cry laughing
bonding Not traumatic, likelaughing so hard you're fucking
dying.
But also, I should say, in thelast eight-ish months of her
life, along with her amazingpartner, who is a saint, he and
I were her 24-hour caregivers,um, and Kara was, thank god,
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like at her house a lot, keepingme sane.
In that I don't, I don't knowhow you guys did it.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
That was.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I wouldn't have done it without you.
I would have been like I gottago.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I'd be a worthless care.
I would literally be the mostworthless caregiver ever.
I don't know how you did it.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I thought I would be.
I really thought I would be,because I I'm not.
You spread the labia.
I did spread the labia, shelike for wiping, and you had to
do a lot of things.
I had to do a lot of thingsthat you don't want to ever, and
it's your mother.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You love your mother, right it's just, but it's a lot
.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, it is a lot, um , but if not me, her partner yes
, but he couldn't like carry theload alone.
And I'm the first to say I amnot a maternal person, I don't
have children, I've never wantedchildren.
That's just not me.
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I don't want to take care ofanother human like that.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That's why I?
Always have dogs um but you,you really stepped up, you and
Mike both well, I couldn't havedone it without you, that's for
sure.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Kara came and made me laugh and we drank wine
together.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
So much wine, I sometimes have regrets that I
was, that your liver's so badnow, that I was so saturated in
Like, remember that one night wewent out and we got, we picked
up Mexican food for everyone andwe had like three margaritas.
I had three margaritas beforewe went back, yes, and I just
lost my shit that night.
And I remember walking back toyour house here you can share.
(15:10):
This is a safe space.
And no, I'm just, I'm tryingnot to cry.
Oh, you can cry too, I will.
Okay, same, I don't needpermission.
Go Fuck me.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
All right.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
But Hammer was standing out in the driveway
like to greet us.
I felt so dead inside and Ididn't know what to do with
myself.
And I still kind of feel thatway sometimes, like I'm not.
You haven't processed this.
Do you ever get done processingstuff like this?
I think no.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
No, what someone said to me is that grief is one of
those things that doesn't goaway.
You know, you just like learnto deal with it.
But I will say dealing with itis crying.
I will say she's very clever.
Very clever Because she waslike my girls will spend time
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together.
They will have fun together.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I don't, I can't imagine.
Like what was I doing all thoseyears without you?
Me neither I know.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Now we talk all the time I must have been so stupid.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
What was life?
No offense to everyone else inour lives that we love, yeah,
but there is a richness now thatwas not there before in this
way, for sure.
And I'm so looking forward tothe rest of the trips.
We will cover the Alaska tripin depth, yep.
We will cover the Seabournadventure that we had.
In that we had, yeah, and allthe places that we went, because
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that was an amazing adventureShout out to Seabourn if you
want to sponsor us, seabourn.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
This, this whole uh was, this whole idea was crafted
yeah On, on one of your lovelyboats.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well, the first time I heard the phrase dead mom
scavenger hunt was when we weregetting on the boat.
We were in line to get on theboat after sitting there for
just not very long at all.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Well, I had told people about the list of tasks
and I was like she kind of leftus like a scavenger hunt we had
to do.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, but shout out Luke and Michael, hi Luke and
Michael, hi Luke and Michael.
They were standing behind usgetting on the boat and we got
to chatting and they're like, oh, do you guys cruise?
And we're like, no, do you guyscruise?
And they were like, well, youknow what's your story.
And she said we're on a deadmom scavenger hunt.
And I was like and I thinkthat's probably the face they
made behind us too, because itlike we weren't on the boat for
like 15 minutes and then we raninto them again and they were
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like introduce, introducing usto their family that they were
with dead mom scavenger huntgirls and I was like, well,
that's gonna stick um.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I think I said it like that A I didn't want to cry
, yeah.
B I didn't want people to thinkthat what we were doing wasn't
joyous and wasn't fun and thatthey had to tiptoe around it or,
you know, treat us with kidgloves or be, you know, really
tender about it.
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Yeah, we were like no, this isa celebration, this is fun.
This is going to get reallyunhinged.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It was so fun, and by that time.
By the time like we got on theboat in Vancouver, yeah, and by
that time we'd already spent twodays in Seattle and Bellingham
and getting to cause.
So what was the?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
list.
The list for Alaska was we hadto do stuff in Seattle.
We had to go on the big ferriswheel.
You're afraid of heights.
She was afraid of heights, um,but she not anymore really liked
the view.
Yeah, we cured that.
Exposure therapy, my friends.
Um, there is a specificrestaurant.
Shout out to Matt's at themarket.
We had to go there.
Um, go, you know, to Pike place, fuck about um, have great
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dinner, laugh a lot.
We did all those things andthen we drove from Seattle to
Vancouver and we had to gothrough Bellingham, because that
is where she grew up and shewanted us to go see the house
that she grew up in and see herhigh school and see down
Bellingham and the area that sheloved so much.
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That was really her hometown.
And then we had tasks toperform in Vancouver.
We had to go to the aquarium andStanley Park and they did not
have the beluga whales anymore,which we were thankful about,
yeah, when she and I had gonethere many years ago when I was
little little, they had belugawhales and she was like go see
the beluga whales.
Kara and I were real worriedabout that, because animal
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prisons are not either of ourcup of tea.
They no longer have any captiveanimals that aren't rescues yes
, so that was very cool.
Yeah, any captive animals thataren't rescues yes, so that was
very cool, yeah.
And then in Vancouver we got ona boat yeah, got on our home
for the week.
Yeah, headed off to the wildsof Alaska In a lovely suite on
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the Seabourn, a suite-a suite.
What was?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
it Seabourn.
Well, it's out of commissionanyway.
That was the last voyage ofthat particular ship.
Did I know that?
I think you did?
Oh, clearly I forgot.
Oh, guess what I brought todayfor our adventures as well?
What Squeeze Chess?
Well, we have crackers andSqueeze Chess, so here's the
deal with the Squeeze Chess.
When I on one of the trips Icame out here.
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I turn into some kind of trashmonster when I go on vacation.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You're disgusting.
I eat really like prettyhealthy at home.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
My husband, if he's listening, he's like, yeah, okay
, but I do, I eat pretty healthyat home.
And then, um, but when I cameout here, especially with like
to visit for the first time andsee Bonnie and stuff and like
assess the situation, I was likegive me all the junk I need,
like emotional support food.
So I brought these clubcrackers and squeeze cheese,
which, for some weird reason,I've never bought that in my
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life.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You know what that was.
That was divine guidance,because it is a magical
combination.
No, I don't think I had everhad squeeze cheese.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
And I remember you brought me into the little
cottage.
This is Christmas's littlecottage.
Yes, this is a little Airbnbwhere I stay at her place.
Yeah, this is a little airbnbwhere I stay at her place yeah,
this is kara's house, which isbehind my house and you guys
were.
You were helping me unpack allmy crap and we immediately
opened the crackers and squeezecheese and you're like what the
fuck is this?
And I'm like I don't know,let's do it.
So we now that's kind of ourthing hold please hold, please.
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We need some crackers andsqueeze cheese.
Um, we have to demo.
It's a little bit trash, trashfood but now it's part of our
logo also.
It's sort of like I only craveit when I'm coming out to see
you.
I only eat it with you.
That's my rule.
Yeah, that's my rule too.
Um, but it does live in thecabinet at my house, and my
husband does question my, mymorals and ethics, so we have
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squeezed trees, but what Ibrought, what I was going to say
is we drank um.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I'm going to put it over here just because of the
dog, but anytime you want, Iwill make you a cracker.
Okay, um, let me, let me get itopen.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
We drank not for you.
We drank oyster based on Blancon the ship and we would, so one
of the things that Bonnie lovedto do was have crackers and
cheese.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
She loved to go to the bar and have crackers and
cheese and wine cheese plate andwine, I think and play yahtzee
yeah, they don't call itcrackers and cheese.
She loved a good cheese plate,a nice glass of wine and bar
yahtzee.
So this is our twist on cheese,cheese and crackers here at
this fine establishment.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Our twist on a cheese plate is a cheese squeeze.
Yeah, um, so we, I forget whatI was saying.
It doesn't matter, uh, thatyou're a trash person, yeah,
yeah.
So every day we at lunch around, yeah, we would try to have a
cheese plate delivered to theroom with some sal blanc.
So I brought some oyster baysal blanc did you really I did
where's it from new zealand?
(22:30):
Oh, all right, I love me a NewZealand.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Raina.
Shout out to Raina, my bestie,that's not Kara.
She's in New Zealand right now.
I was wondering where she's at.
Yeah, she's in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, she looks like she's somewhere beautiful.
I probably could have figuredthat out, but I wasn't paying
attention.
That's all right.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, so, so, yeah, so, so that is dead, mom
scavenger hunt.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
We flew out.
She died on the 26th of July.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
No, she died on the 24th of July.
Was it the 24th Okay?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, I'm sure you're better at this than I am.
Maybe it was the 26th that wewe got on the boat.
On the 26th, yeah, we flew to.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Seattle.
You and I met up in a verytearful embrace at the airport.
That I've got to think everyonearound us was like so curious.
Look at the young lovers.
They must not have seen eachother in so long.
Look how happy they are to seeeach other.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, I didn't expect to cry, but I guess I don't
usually expect to cry um.
What I didn't expect was yoursweater, because you had been
telling me about the barefootdreams.
Shout out barefoot dreams,sweater.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
That you, oh yeah, the travel cardigan.
I'm obsessed now, yeah it's a'sa great travel cardigan.
It's just the perfect weightfor airports, airplanes.
You can use it as a blanket.
You can use it as a pillow.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
This is not sponsored in any way, shape or form, and
I think that's one of the thingsthat I love about.
Our relationship is like you'reconstantly teaching me new
things I'm constantly making youbuy shit.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Well, that's true, yes, but you make me buy shit
too.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I do I just made you buy a mouth tape, which we will
also talk about.
We'll talk about mouth tape atsome point, I think we're both
like very curious people and wego down rabbit holes and then we
report back to each other, butit's never really about the same
stuff.
So I'm always like, really whatMouth tape, huh?
And so it's you keep thingsinteresting, you do as well, and
we have these other trips thatwe have to pull off yeah, a few
(24:14):
years as well so yeah, so London, look out Londra and environs
around there, and then look outItaly those.
So those two are coming up andwe have to figure out how we
want to handle those.
And then, as we've reconnectedand stayed more in touch, we've
realized there are other places,like is it New Brunswick?
(24:36):
We want to go.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
No.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Newfoundland.
Is it Newfoundland,newfoundland, where Dildo Lake,
yeah, dildo Lake, shout outSinister?
Hood oh shout out Sinister Hood, yeah, where we learned about
Dildo Pond.
Dildo Lake Challenge is on tosee who can get there first.
Ladies, oh, we're coming foryou or we'll meet you there.
That's better, that would befun.
You're so much nicer, I know, Iknow You'll learn that about us
(24:58):
.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I'm the nice one, so yeah, and we're going to take
you along.
We also find that when we gettogether and chat about nothing,
it can go on for hours andhours and the conversation takes
some wild and wacky turns.
Yeah, and we're going to takeyou along on that ride also, and
(25:21):
we like going out and meetingweird wonderful people.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
We, I would say we both have that.
We collect people, yeah, um,well, interestingly, both of I
don't know anyone else who'snumber one, clifton strength, is
also connectedness, um, and soI think we both have like a rich
diversity of people around usall the time, and so you have
really interesting people that Iwould like to meet and
interview and share with therest of the world, and vice
(25:43):
versa.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, I don't know if what I will be doing can be
called an interview.
Um well, we don't.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
You're better at interviewing here a smarty.
We can call it whatever we want.
Okay, this is our show.
Yes, we do what we want.
We do what we want, and ifpeople don't like it, they can
pound sand, but we hope youdon't I was gonna say people are
gonna like it.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Let's be honest, um, so yeah, so that's kind of where
we're at.
There will be lots of day trips.
We are always looking for funplaces to go.
So if there's a weird wackyplace or just interesting
bizarro place that you think weshould go, holla at us, we'll go
, we'll take you with us, we'llreport back and we'll be
(26:30):
brutally honest if we think itsucks balls.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, and we do want to create some community around
this movement because it wasreally, it was a gift for us,
absolutely.
And a lot of the people that wemet on the cruise ship said, oh
my God, what a great idea.
I'm going to do that to my kids.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, anyone who had kids of any age, whether they
were babies or adults, were like, oh my gosh, when I die, I'm
going to create a dead mom.
I'm going to emotionallyblackmail my children.
Absolutely.
I'm going to create a dead momscavenger hunt for my kids to go
see places that were importantto me or places that I just want
to make them go, you know.
So part of the scavenger hunthas been places that she wanted
(27:09):
specifically us to go together.
Some of it are places that shealways wanted to go or had been
and loved, and those are theones that we do because she
can't, so we're going to.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah she was really pissed there at the end that she
couldn't go on more adventuresand do the things that she
wanted to do, and so she wassuper active in, yeah, 90 of her
life she was fun.
I have so many great memoriesof just going and doing things
with her you mentioned alreadylike we'd love to hear from
people on locations and thingslike that, and also, yeah, what
(27:44):
would be on your dead momscavenger hunt?
so how can they get a hold of usright now would be a question
that would probably be coming tomind right now, in this moment.
You can reach out to us.
We'll put links to wherever youcan reach out in the show notes
in the show notes.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Oh my god, I've always wanted to say that we'll
put all kinds of links in theshow notes.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
We'll link in the show notes.
Yeah, it's a real pleasure tobe here, but we do have an email
address.
So far, this is all brand new.
Um, we're sort of winging it,yeah, but it is dmsh as in dead
mom scavenger hunt at gmailcom.
It's not dmsc.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Oh, it's not okay.
Oh no, you're right I'm sorrymsh pod.
Yeah, kira's already giving youmisinformation.
It won't be the last time.
It's dmsh pod at gmailcom.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, and by the, time anybody listens to this
instagram yeah, d yeah, dmshpod,which I'm sure is available.
We don't have it yet.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
If it's not, available, we'll correct it, but
for now, birdie, get out ofthere.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Just check the show notes, because we'll list it all
there, but the website anytimeyou want to find out more
information or anything likethat about anything in the
future.
Also, dmshpodcom will be thewebsite Once I finish putting it
together Great.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I can help with that.
I know you can have you startedit.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Nope, Okay Great, we were going to use, um, like kind
of a done for you situation,but we decided the Royal.
We decided not to do thatbecause we we deserve better.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Okay, all right, I mean we did our logo.
All right, I mean we did ourlogo you did our logo.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
You helped.
It would be plain text if itwas up to me.
You helped Again with thecomplimentary skill set.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
You and the good people at Squeeze Chiz, squeeze
Chiz, so yeah, so that's whatthis is all about Going to be
about today.
If there's anything you wouldlike us to talk about and wax
poetic about, holla at us.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, I feel like this first one might be winding
down.
Yeah, and we need to regroupand figure out what to talk
about next.
Tara's done talking to meapparently.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Hey Roz, oh dear.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
All right Well.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
If you know, you know , know, you know.
If you know, you know trademarkanyone in Juneau that we see
wearing that, yeah, or sellingit?
We came up with it.
We came up with it, yeah,looking at you, what was that
cute store, the post office uhkindred post.
Yeah, yes, shout out kindredpost, we gotta.
We gotta.
Probably not shout should we.
Are people gonna be annoyedthat we're constantly shouting
out things?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
no, because if you go to juno, go visit kindred post.
It's a adorable little store.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
No, I mean just by us saying shout out, kindred post.
Well, we can say somethingdifferent, like I'm trying to
decide if that's cute orannoying.
Um, but if you go to juno, goto kindred post, it's a great
little.
I love that we're alreadyannoying you.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I mean, it doesn't take long in general, but if you
do, yeah, but seriously, if youdo go to like, if you go to
juno, go to kindred post andcheck out their um like jewelry
that's made by locals and stufflike that, and they are proudly
queer owned and operated, whichwe love we ate the same tacos.
(30:58):
Oh my God, we had tacos at thesame place three times in one
day.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Deckhand, dave's fish taco.
I think about those fish tacosway more than I should.
Yeah, I think about those fishtacos.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I compare every fish taco I've had since against
those ones.
How do you remember thatDeckhand Dave's?
I couldn't remember.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
It's burned into my soul because I loved it so much.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Also.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Deckhand Dave kind of hot but also knows it and is
kind of annoying.
But yeah, deckhand Dave'seasily the second best fish taco
of my life.
But yeah, deckhand Dave'seasily the second best fish taco
of my life.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
First one was in Puerto Vallarta at a weird
little truck that was on awalking taco tour that I took,
okay, but who would think fishtacos in like Juneau would be
the greatest thing of all time?
That's what would stack upagainst, I mean Mexico.
I would understand from alittle truck, yeah, but yeah, we
didn't see that coming.
No, and it sucked us right in.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Oh, yeah, it did oh, and they have great cocktails.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, there's this cool little like food area.
Yeah, it's like a food foodcourt.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
It's a food court, food truck court food I'm sure
there's a word for this becausethey have them all, like they
have them in san francisco.
They have them.
They have one here, a food foodpark.
Oh yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
It's called a food park.
Yeah, so we visited the foodpark.
We rode all the rides Severaltimes.
We got very fat and happy.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
We got a fast pass for deckhand Dave's yes.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So good, so definitely go there.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, yeah, we spent a couple days.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
We're so good we spent a couple of days, which I
think was a good move.
So smart, um I really.
What I didn't expect to enjoywas the waking up in a different
place every day on the show.
Like I, I expect I don't.
I'm sort of a homebody.
I don't like to be like movingaround a lot.
Yeah, but waking.
I think that's the only way tosee alaska if you want to see
(32:53):
all the things in a short periodof time.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Especially, a lot of the places we went were really
only easily accessible by boatand.
Juneau is only boat or plane.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
You're nobody driving there, you bury anybody barely
driving there who lives there.
We remember we could barely geta ride anywhere, so if you go
there, don't expect to get anuber, because you't, at least at
the time of this recording.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, well, there was that one guy who wasn't even an
Uber, it was just he had alittle card that said I'll drive
you places, yeah, and wethought he might have stranded
us at a bear preserve, but hedid come back for us.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
No, that was in Sitka oh.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Fortress of the Bear.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
yeah, we pulled up to Sitka thinking we were smarter
than everybody else who took thetour, which actually it turned
out we were.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Oh, we are Also, if you go on a cruise, the
excursions.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Well preface this, because some of the excursions
that we did were with Seabournand were very cool and we could
not have done on our own.
We couldn't have kayaked in theHubbard Glacier A hundred
percent Area.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
And also Kara and I are not joiners, so we were like
we want to get off this boatand get.
Is that why I like you so much?
Probably get as far away fromall the cruise people.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
No offense to the cruise people, no offense to
most of the cruise people.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
That's not true.
No offense to some of thecruise people.
A lot of cruise people are uberannoying there.
I said it, I said it and Imeant it and I stand by it.
So we were trying to get tovery out of the way,
non-touristy places where cruisepeople were not going.
Yes, Because most of the littletowns we were in they're
annoyed by the cruise people andwe did not want to be lumped in
(34:29):
.
No, I was loath to tell people.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
we were cruise people .
You were like but we're notwith the big cruise, we're with
the little cruise.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Well, and also I was like but we're not cruise people
.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Because that was one of the factors that led to us
choosing Seabourn was it wassmaller.
There was, I think there waslike 600 people total, whereas
like just for comparison, thebig ones like Carnival and stuff
, there's like 3,000, 3,000 someodd people.
It's a city, it's a floatingcity.
A disgusting floating city andI felt like by the end of the
trip, like we were like hey Roz,like we knew all the people on
(35:00):
the boat and the people thatwere working on the boat.
It was a very cool experienceyeah.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
No, it was great.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Like, I'm so grateful that we got the opportunity to
go and do that together.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
And, like I said, I'm not for you know,
advertisements, but seaborn, ifyou want to sponsor us.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
We do need to make to .
I'm thinking some like we'llthink about it.
There's somewhere.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Let's make it seem like they have to woo us they
don't though just well, now theyknow they don't.
Well, I'm not in charge alsoalso care is the worst liar ever
.
God damn, you're terrible, I'mso terrible, j Jesus.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Not that I'm great, but I'm better than you.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I'm too literal yeah, so I got no game Fish tacos.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Kindred Post, so that was a cool way to see Alaska.
We went to the Hubbard GlacierHaines was beautiful, haines was
amazing, the Hammer.
Museum, the Hammer Museum,that's right.
Craftsmanship out the yangEveryone kept offering me weed.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, and I look like a narc and Kara looks like a
stoner, which is kind ofopposite-y style, like Kara's
way more of a narc than me.
I'm not a narc, I didn't sayyou were a narc, but you're more
straight lacy.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, I wouldn't even drink a beer with you in the
park because I was afraid.
Okay, but to be fair, to befair, I didn't want any.
I didn't want to get hassled byanybody who might hold us up
and make us miss our boat,because the price wasn't worth.
It wasn't the worst, the priceof admission.
So we went we just finished ourpizza and went next door and
got beers and she made a wholebig thing about it.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
She was such a wuss bag.
I was like we're in a park andyou can just put it in this
paper bag or like hide it underthe bench.
No one's going to come up tothese middle-aged ladies and be
like, hey, ladies, are youhaving a beer with your artisan
pizza?
You can't be doing that inHanes.
We'll bust your ass.
Well, I did look it up and itis illegal.
(36:53):
Well, so are a lot of things,but that doesn't.
Legality is only one of ouroptions, cara.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
And it's often not the best one.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, well, I still stand by my choices.
I enjoyed my beer and pizzaimmensely and I made a point to
drink it real slow.
I know I watched you.
I watched you enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
The pizza was excellent.
I don't remember the name ofthe pizza place, but there is
only one pizza place.
I was going to say it's thepizza place in Haines, Alaska.
No, it probably does have aname, but does it require one If
you need pizza and you findyourself in Haines, Alaska, I'm
the only pizza place and it wasreally really good.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, Downtown, Very cute we saw someone having a.
Remember they were having likea bachelorette party there or a
bridal shower.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Oh, at the pizza place.
Yeah, they were like shut downfor a bachelorette party, yeah,
no, it was a bridal shower.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
They weren't even shut down, they were just like
had a table.
Yeah, that's Alaska for you,and that place doesn't even like
serve booze.
So we'll.
We'll give you a full rundownon Alaska at a later point in
time, because otherwise thisepisode would be 47 hours long
well, probably, maybe I don'tknow what we're gonna do, like
(38:05):
we don't know what we're gonnado no, we don't have a plan.
You know what this is a real,it's gonna be a loose operation.
It's a loose operation.
There's probably gonna be a, asteep learning curve, or maybe a
shallow learning curve.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Shallow, grave, I don't know man, but yeah it
remains to be seen, but it'sgoing to work.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Oh, you know what else I've always wanted to say?
I want to say it right now.
Are you ready?
Yeah, please rate, review,subscribe.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I think we're supposed to say that I'm pretty
sure we are too.
I just never do Five stars.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Five stars If you, if you're going to give us less
than five stars, just fuck off.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I'm pretty sure we can't threaten people, or
actually we can do what we want,huh Well fuck off isn't a
threat.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Do you feel threatened by it?
I mean a little bit.
I'm not saying it to you, Imean I have.
I have said it to you manytimes, but just not right now
yeah, so um, yeah, I concur,fuck off.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Fuck off if it's less than five stars, fuck off.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
If it's less than less than god, why can't I talk?
If it's less than five stars,fuck off.
Maybe we'll put that on somemerch.
Yeah, that applies toeverything that?
Yep, that applies to life.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I don't want your opinion, unless on some merch.
Yeah, that applies toeverything.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yep, that applies to life.
I don't want your opinion.
Unless it's five stars, Nope.
If it's less than five stars,fuck off.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
So with that we will.
That feels like a good place towrap this first, this first
episode.
That's a wrap.
That's a wrap Rate, review andsubscribe Follow rate.
That's a wrap rate, review andsubscribe follow rate review and
follow rate review, subscribe,follow, yeah, and check the show
notes for links to where youcan connect with us, because we
do want to have a space thatpeople can like a patreon or
(39:45):
something where we can talk topeople and connect about all the
things that we want to talkabout and that you guys want to
talk about and um, yeah, yeah,and travel pictures and things
like that so yeah, and we willput a bunch of stuff on our
instagram when we get one, whichwe will, which all in good time
, we will.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Maybe I can move all the mom's list stuff over to
there.
So it's not on my business one.
Probably we'll.
We'll work on that?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, we'll work on that behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah, we won't make you guys help.
All right, let's wrap this up.
All right, we got to go.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Bye.
All right, we're podcasting Hi.
Hi, let's podcast Welcomeeveryone, welcome to Dead Mom
Scavenger Hunt.
I'm Christmas and I'm Kara andI just hit my mic, so already
we're winning.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's okay, this first one's probably gonna be a
little rough.
Yes, emotionally Did weintroduce Birdie.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Oh, I'm sorry, this is Birdie.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
This is my fur child who is?
Demanding to be involved at themoment, but yes, emotionally
and also just awkward yeah, likeI'm gonna kick my shoes off.
Our tech holds up.
This has been a whole journey.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, our it person might get fired.
We're really more arts thanpeople.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
People, yeah, yeah, this is a really weird thing.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Wait, who's our tech person?
You, You're our tech person, itain't Bernie?
Well, well, it's okay.
So we thought we should pop onand this is episode one.
This is episode one.
Yeah, Don't listen to me everabout anything.
We wanted to kind of talk aboutwhat this is even about or
(01:04):
going to be about.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yes.
So, we kind of have to take itback, yes To.
Was there like was there aninciting incident for you?
Because there was for me.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
An inciting incident about what Like we should
podcast this.
No.
That sort of like launched thejourney that was the death of
bonnie, because no, because Ithink I had seen it coming for a
lot longer than you and I mean,and she had said all along, you
(01:40):
know, with the ms, like ifthings start to go bad, I'm not
going to die of natural causes.
Like if things start to getreally shitty, you know I'm
going to peace out.
So I think I.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
We probably need to back up even more than that.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, I probably saw it coming.
So let's talk about what we sawcoming.
So, my mom for our purposeshere, kara's mom, so if you just
hear us call her mom, we wereChristmas and I were really,
really tight when we were little.
Yes, we were best friends.
I gave her lice, yeah, whichshe doesn't remember and it
traumatized me forever.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I don't, I don't.
I do remember the time you cameand stayed and we slept in my
little twin bed together andthat's probably where, where
they crawled on me, probablywhen we were all snuggled up
together, probably.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, I.
She had this long, beautiful,like straw blonde hair and I was
kind of feral as a child andhad, you know, wild brunette
hair that had lice that crawledon.
I gave my best friend lice andit was traumatizing and I
remember her mom like combingout her hair, her crying because
(02:47):
it sucks and it hurts and mefeeling terrible, and then her
mom was combing out my hair,muttering under her breath.
I don't think so.
I felt I felt the emotionalmutter and sweet sweet Kara
decided to go to the piano andpractice piano to try to soothe
me.
I'm sure you were soothed, Ilove chopsticks.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I love chopsticks To this day to this day.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Whenever I feel sad, I'm like can anyone bust out
some chopsticks for me?
No, we were very tight and wewere both tight with my mom at
different times.
I'm a little bit older thanKara Four years, I think it's
five.
Five years, um, four and a half.
We'll split the difference,we're gonna call it four and a
half.
(03:32):
So when I went away to college,kara was obviously still in
high school and I moved tosouthern California.
Kara stayed in NorthernCalifornia, where we're from,
and her mom was not around, somy mom became her mother figure.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
She was, bonnie, was like a kind of a critical figure
in my life during, like my lateteens, early twenties even
early thirties, oh for sure,when I was pretty, like, pretty
fucked up and traumatized frommy own childhood.
Still, she was a therapist.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yes, she was, yes, she was excellent therapist and
so basically I got free therapyall the time.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, um, I, I credit her with my marriage, with
being married still.
We've been married for almost20 years and I wouldn't be with
jeremy if it wasn't for bonnie,because she would like snap me
back to attention when I neededto be smacked around I thought
you said that she was're goingto say that she was responsible
because she was the officiant.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Well, she did, she also did she just legally did
the thing, literally make surethat we got married.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
You don't have to stay if you don't want to she
was ready with the getaway car,right, yeah, just kidding,
jeremy, not that he'll listen tothis.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
No, he'll be.
He's our secret cheering squadand he's gonna make.
He's gonna make hammy.
He will make hammy.
Oh, his name's hammer.
He will make hammy.
Oh, he already did in thetrailer he did in the trailer.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You have listened to the trailer.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Listen to the trailer and you hear someone going
nailed it.
It's my husband from pointsunknown.
Um, I didn't know he waslistening.
I didn't either.
I assume he only listens toabout 30 of what I say.
Yeah, yeah, so you were gonefor a while.
Yeah, I was in SouthernCalifornia for 11 years.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And I spent a ton of time with Bonnie during that
period of time, yes, and we gotreally tight.
And then you came home and Igot married and had a baby and
sort of faded into thebackground a little more.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, we kind of had Bonnie as a single, only child
at different points in our life.
Yeah, I would say that'saccurate.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And then she got diagnosed with MS.
Yes, she got diagnosed with MSIn like I was thinking, as I lay
awake in bed last nightthinking about how this
conversation might go today, Iwas like when was that?
And I think it was like 2002.
Cause I was still in college.
But I was like on the tail endof college and I remember we
went to the pervy chiropractor.
That was one of the firstpeople she went to to see if she
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could get diagnosed.
What's going on with me, myhands feel numb She'd gotten in
a car accident like rear-endedor something, and then her hands
went on them and we went to thepervy chiropractor up Home of
the pervy chiropractors Arethere more.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I don't know.
I hope so.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Oh I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
My dentist is there.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
He's not pervy at all , that was so traumatic Like you
walked into this old buildingthat was brick and time ceased
to exist.
Elvis was playing on the radio,that's right, and it wasn't
like we had Elvis radio on AppleTunes or whatever or whatever.
It was just nothing.
And there was a, an emptynurse's station where the nurses
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never were.
It was like this old hospitalthat had been converted into a.
Did he only take cash?
There was one man there, oneperfect chiropractor and your
mom and me, and that was it thewhole.
We were there for hours.
Did he only take cash?
I don't know what he took, buthe took something from us that
day part of your soul she wasback in that room and it was
like all of the furniture waslike 50s kind of art deco
situation.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Do you think my phone ?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
didn't work.
I had, like my first cell phoneand it didn't work.
Inside the building we slippedinto a time warp.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I was going to say do you think you slipped into
another dimension?
Yeah, I do.
He was a time traveler.
I do, it's possible.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And he she reported when we left she said let's get
the fuck out of here, yeah, andshe had.
He had like stripped her nakedbasically and measured every
inch of her body to see like howequal she was.
There's parts of my body Idon't want measured, thank you,
very much.
She said every inch.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So anyway, that's all .
Your butthole is twocentimeters by two centimeters.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I don't the the pervy chiropractor tried to diagnose
her.
Eventually she did get adiagnosis of MS.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yes, she got diagnosed with MS but luckily
she was pretty asymptomatic.
Yeah, I'm picturing it as likeFor a long time.
Yeah, late 90s, early 2000s.
She was asymptomatic for a longtime, except she would get like
numbness in her hands.
She would get overheated.
She's really sensitive to heat.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
No hot tubs for her.
Uh, as her doc told her, evencoming to sacramento I live in
the sacramento area.
Yeah, it was too hot.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
She was like ah, yeah , um, yeah, I live in sonoma
county, which is where she lived, and it's much cooler here,
especially in western SonomaCounty.
Um, and then she startedgetting more and more
symptomatic and it reallystarted.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, and you remember the last time she came
up to visit me.
She had a hard time walking upthe walkway, yeah, and that was
startling to me because I hadn'tseen her in a little while.
Yeah, and I didn't realize thatit had gotten that bad.
And then one day I got a phonecall from you in 2022 late, was
it 2023?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
uh, no, it's it had.
Uh, it was 2023 was it?
It was the same year she died.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, you called me like a couple months before she
died and you were like well, I'mcalling in the cavalry because
mom wants to be done, yeah, yeah.
She said she's ready to takeherself out, and I didn't really
.
I mean, I make sense that thatwas the plan, but I hadn't heard
that that was the plan, right,and so I didn't realize that I'd
gotten that bad until youcalled yeah, and then we all
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came out.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Well, she also had kind of stepped back in terms of
she didn't want people to seeher like that, stepped back in
terms of she didn't want peopleto see her like that.
So, while she was great aboutlike texting and phone calls and
all of that, um, she didn't seea lot of people.
And also this was coming out ofthe pandemic, yes, where she
was, you know, very worried,having an autoimmune disease,
and didn't see anyone for a lotof that, even me, which in
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retrospect, I think a lot ofthat.
Even me, which in retrospect, Ithink a lot of it was because
she didn't want me to see thedecline as much either.
So, yeah, she got to a pointwhere she was completely bed
bound and couldn't do anythingfor herself, um, showering.
Obviously couldn't walk, shecould still use her hands.
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Um, those were kind of the lastto start going.
And I don't know how much mostof you know about the right to
die option here in California,which, thank God, we had that as
an option.
You have to be able to hold thedrink and drink it yourself.
You can't be assisted in that.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I think a lot of people don't even realize that
that's an option in California.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, it is, it may not be for very much longer.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Who knows I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
yeah, things are going yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
You know that's another podcast maybe.
Yeah, Hopefully thank God, itwas an option when things
started to get really bad forher.
Yeah, um, and so that's whywe're here, because she
blackmailed us.
She emotionally blackmailed usand to to be fair, she did 100.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Say I am fine with emotional blackmail, yeah, and
what a gift.
Yeah.
So she, before she died, shegifted us a list of tasks that
we had to accomplish together.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Um, sans husbands.
And yeah, there were rules nohusbands, no kids.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I don't have kids, but kara's kid wasn't invited.
You probably tried to bringbirdie if you could.
No, no birdie.
Um and the.
There's several legs to thelist, but the first one was that
we had to go on a cruise toAlaska together which was maybe
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the last thing on my bucket list.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
If no, it just wasn't .
I love.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Alaska.
I am not a cruiser, kara is nota cruiser.
I had been on one cruise beforeand knew to the depths of my
soul that cruising was not forme.
But she said it had to be acruise.
So we were like, okay, how dowe go on a cruise without really
going on a cruise?
So we found the nat geo one.
(11:35):
Well, we had to do it within ayear, yes, the first time.
Well, we had to do one of thetrip tasks within a year, um,
and the we started on Alaska.
The first one was the Nat Geoone, or Smithsonian, I don't
remember where we were allsigned up and then the company
went oh no, it wasn't Nat Geo.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Um, it wasn't Nat Geo , but yeah, smithsonian Audubon,
it was something nature.
There was one that was yeah, wewere like signed up and ready
to go and they wouldn't take, uh, the credit card and I was like
, let me give you monies, wouldlove to give you the monies,
please.
And and I kept calling back andthen we got, um, the website
went down and there was just amessage that said we're out of
business and I'm like, well, I'mreally glad they didn't take my
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money, yeah thanks for nottaking the monies um.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So we asked around, did a lot of research, yes,
individually, more researchtogether.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
So much research, because that is a big investment
, it's a big time chunk like,yeah, we had never really
traveled anywhere beforetogether either.
No, and not just the two of us.
No, because, again, we hadn'tspent a ton of time together
since we were kids and comingback together as adults like we
did.
We did bond a lot during theplanning phase.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well, and also in the last several months of mom's
life.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, that was trauma bonding, hey, I mean, the trip
was a little bit of traumabonding too.
Trauma bonding is bonding.
You know, I guess you gave melife.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
That's trauma, that was my trauma Is all of our
bonding trauma.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
bonding that was my trauma Is all of our bonding
trauma bonding.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I mean no, no, no.
There's a lot of laughterbonding, a lot of cry laughing
bonding Not traumatic, likelaughing so hard you're fucking
dying.
But also, I should say, in thelast eight-ish months of her
life, along with her amazingpartner, who is a saint, he and
I were her 24-hour caregivers,um, and Kara was, thank god,
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like at her house a lot, keepingme sane.
In that I don't, I don't knowhow you guys did it.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
That was.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I wouldn't have done it without you.
I would have been like I gottago.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I'd be a worthless care.
I would literally be the mostworthless caregiver ever.
I don't know how you did it.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I thought I would be.
I really thought I would be,because I I'm not.
You spread the labia.
I did spread the labia, shelike for wiping, and you had to
do a lot of things.
I had to do a lot of thingsthat you don't want to ever, and
it's your mother.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You love your mother, right it's just, but it's a lot
.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, it is a lot, um , but if not me, her partner yes
, but he couldn't like carry theload alone.
And I'm the first to say I amnot a maternal person, I don't
have children, I've never wantedchildren.
That's just not me.
(14:28):
I don't want to take care ofanother human like that.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That's why I?
Always have dogs um but you,you really stepped up, you and
Mike both well, I couldn't havedone it without you, that's for
sure.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Kara came and made me laugh and we drank wine
together.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
So much wine, I sometimes have regrets that I
was, that your liver's so badnow, that I was so saturated in
Like, remember that one night wewent out and we got, we picked
up Mexican food for everyone andwe had like three margaritas.
I had three margaritas beforewe went back, yes, and I just
lost my shit that night.
And I remember walking back toyour house here you can share.
(15:10):
This is a safe space.
And no, I'm just, I'm tryingnot to cry.
Oh, you can cry too, I will.
Okay, same, I don't needpermission.
Go Fuck me.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
All right.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
But Hammer was standing out in the driveway
like to greet us.
I felt so dead inside and Ididn't know what to do with
myself.
And I still kind of feel thatway sometimes, like I'm not.
You haven't processed this.
Do you ever get done processingstuff like this?
I think no.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
No, what someone said to me is that grief is one of
those things that doesn't goaway.
You know, you just like learnto deal with it.
But I will say dealing with itis crying.
I will say she's very clever.
Very clever Because she waslike my girls will spend time
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together.
They will have fun together.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I don't, I can't imagine.
Like what was I doing all thoseyears without you?
Me neither I know.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Now we talk all the time I must have been so stupid.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
What was life?
No offense to everyone else inour lives that we love, yeah,
but there is a richness now thatwas not there before in this
way, for sure.
And I'm so looking forward tothe rest of the trips.
We will cover the Alaska tripin depth, yep.
We will cover the Seabournadventure that we had.
In that we had, yeah, and allthe places that we went, because
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that was an amazing adventureShout out to Seabourn if you
want to sponsor us, seabourn.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
This, this whole uh was, this whole idea was crafted
yeah On, on one of your lovelyboats.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well, the first time I heard the phrase dead mom
scavenger hunt was when we weregetting on the boat.
We were in line to get on theboat after sitting there for
just not very long at all.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Well, I had told people about the list of tasks
and I was like she kind of leftus like a scavenger hunt we had
to do.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, but shout out Luke and Michael, hi Luke and
Michael, hi Luke and Michael.
They were standing behind usgetting on the boat and we got
to chatting and they're like, oh, do you guys cruise?
And we're like, no, do you guyscruise?
And they were like, well, youknow what's your story.
And she said we're on a deadmom scavenger hunt.
And I was like and I thinkthat's probably the face they
made behind us too, because itlike we weren't on the boat for
like 15 minutes and then we raninto them again and they were
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like introduce, introducing usto their family that they were
with dead mom scavenger huntgirls and I was like, well,
that's gonna stick um.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I think I said it like that A I didn't want to cry
, yeah.
B I didn't want people to thinkthat what we were doing wasn't
joyous and wasn't fun and thatthey had to tiptoe around it or,
you know, treat us with kidgloves or be, you know, really
tender about it.
(17:51):
Yeah, we were like no, this isa celebration, this is fun.
This is going to get reallyunhinged.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It was so fun, and by that time.
By the time like we got on theboat in Vancouver, yeah, and by
that time we'd already spent twodays in Seattle and Bellingham
and getting to cause.
So what was the?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
list.
The list for Alaska was we hadto do stuff in Seattle.
We had to go on the big ferriswheel.
You're afraid of heights.
She was afraid of heights, um,but she not anymore really liked
the view.
Yeah, we cured that.
Exposure therapy, my friends.
Um, there is a specificrestaurant.
Shout out to Matt's at themarket.
We had to go there.
Um, go, you know, to Pike place, fuck about um, have great
(18:38):
dinner, laugh a lot.
We did all those things andthen we drove from Seattle to
Vancouver and we had to gothrough Bellingham, because that
is where she grew up and shewanted us to go see the house
that she grew up in and see herhigh school and see down
Bellingham and the area that sheloved so much.
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That was really her hometown.
And then we had tasks toperform in Vancouver.
We had to go to the aquarium andStanley Park and they did not
have the beluga whales anymore,which we were thankful about,
yeah, when she and I had gonethere many years ago when I was
little little, they had belugawhales and she was like go see
the beluga whales.
Kara and I were real worriedabout that, because animal
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prisons are not either of ourcup of tea.
They no longer have any captiveanimals that aren't rescues yes
, so that was very cool.
Yeah, any captive animals thataren't rescues yes, so that was
very cool, yeah.
And then in Vancouver we got ona boat yeah, got on our home
for the week.
Yeah, headed off to the wildsof Alaska In a lovely suite on
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the Seabourn, a suite-a suite.
What was?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
it Seabourn.
Well, it's out of commissionanyway.
That was the last voyage ofthat particular ship.
Did I know that?
I think you did?
Oh, clearly I forgot.
Oh, guess what I brought todayfor our adventures as well?
What Squeeze Chess?
Well, we have crackers andSqueeze Chess, so here's the
deal with the Squeeze Chess.
When I on one of the trips Icame out here.
(20:06):
I turn into some kind of trashmonster when I go on vacation.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You're disgusting.
I eat really like prettyhealthy at home.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
My husband, if he's listening, he's like, yeah, okay
, but I do, I eat pretty healthyat home.
And then, um, but when I cameout here, especially with like
to visit for the first time andsee Bonnie and stuff and like
assess the situation, I was likegive me all the junk I need,
like emotional support food.
So I brought these clubcrackers and squeeze cheese,
which, for some weird reason,I've never bought that in my
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life.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You know what that was.
That was divine guidance,because it is a magical
combination.
No, I don't think I had everhad squeeze cheese.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
And I remember you brought me into the little
cottage.
This is Christmas's littlecottage.
Yes, this is a little Airbnbwhere I stay at her place.
Yeah, this is a little airbnbwhere I stay at her place yeah,
this is kara's house, which isbehind my house and you guys
were.
You were helping me unpack allmy crap and we immediately
opened the crackers and squeezecheese and you're like what the
fuck is this?
And I'm like I don't know,let's do it.
So we now that's kind of ourthing hold please hold, please.
(21:07):
We need some crackers andsqueeze cheese.
Um, we have to demo.
It's a little bit trash, trashfood but now it's part of our
logo also.
It's sort of like I only craveit when I'm coming out to see
you.
I only eat it with you.
That's my rule.
Yeah, that's my rule too.
Um, but it does live in thecabinet at my house, and my
husband does question my, mymorals and ethics, so we have
(21:31):
squeezed trees, but what Ibrought, what I was going to say
is we drank um.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I'm going to put it over here just because of the
dog, but anytime you want, Iwill make you a cracker.
Okay, um, let me, let me get itopen.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
We drank not for you.
We drank oyster based on Blancon the ship and we would, so one
of the things that Bonnie lovedto do was have crackers and
cheese.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
She loved to go to the bar and have crackers and
cheese and wine cheese plate andwine, I think and play yahtzee
yeah, they don't call itcrackers and cheese.
She loved a good cheese plate,a nice glass of wine and bar
yahtzee.
So this is our twist on cheese,cheese and crackers here at
this fine establishment.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Our twist on a cheese plate is a cheese squeeze.
Yeah, um, so we, I forget whatI was saying.
It doesn't matter, uh, thatyou're a trash person, yeah,
yeah.
So every day we at lunch around, yeah, we would try to have a
cheese plate delivered to theroom with some sal blanc.
So I brought some oyster baysal blanc did you really I did
where's it from new zealand?
(22:30):
Oh, all right, I love me a NewZealand.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Raina.
Shout out to Raina, my bestie,that's not Kara.
She's in New Zealand right now.
I was wondering where she's at.
Yeah, she's in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, she looks like she's somewhere beautiful.
I probably could have figuredthat out, but I wasn't paying
attention.
That's all right.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, so, so, yeah, so, so that is dead, mom
scavenger hunt.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
We flew out.
She died on the 26th of July.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
No, she died on the 24th of July.
Was it the 24th Okay?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, I'm sure you're better at this than I am.
Maybe it was the 26th that wewe got on the boat.
On the 26th, yeah, we flew to.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Seattle.
You and I met up in a verytearful embrace at the airport.
That I've got to think everyonearound us was like so curious.
Look at the young lovers.
They must not have seen eachother in so long.
Look how happy they are to seeeach other.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, I didn't expect to cry, but I guess I don't
usually expect to cry um.
What I didn't expect was yoursweater, because you had been
telling me about the barefootdreams.
Shout out barefoot dreams,sweater.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
That you, oh yeah, the travel cardigan.
I'm obsessed now, yeah it's a'sa great travel cardigan.
It's just the perfect weightfor airports, airplanes.
You can use it as a blanket.
You can use it as a pillow.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
This is not sponsored in any way, shape or form, and
I think that's one of the thingsthat I love about.
Our relationship is like you'reconstantly teaching me new
things I'm constantly making youbuy shit.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Well, that's true, yes, but you make me buy shit
too.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I do I just made you buy a mouth tape, which we will
also talk about.
We'll talk about mouth tape atsome point, I think we're both
like very curious people and wego down rabbit holes and then we
report back to each other, butit's never really about the same
stuff.
So I'm always like, really whatMouth tape, huh?
And so it's you keep thingsinteresting, you do as well, and
we have these other trips thatwe have to pull off yeah, a few
(24:14):
years as well so yeah, so London, look out Londra and environs
around there, and then look outItaly those.
So those two are coming up andwe have to figure out how we
want to handle those.
And then, as we've reconnectedand stayed more in touch, we've
realized there are other places,like is it New Brunswick?
(24:36):
We want to go.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
No.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Newfoundland.
Is it Newfoundland,newfoundland, where Dildo Lake,
yeah, dildo Lake, shout outSinister?
Hood oh shout out Sinister Hood, yeah, where we learned about
Dildo Pond.
Dildo Lake Challenge is on tosee who can get there first.
Ladies, oh, we're coming foryou or we'll meet you there.
That's better, that would befun.
You're so much nicer, I know, Iknow You'll learn that about us
(24:58):
.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I'm the nice one, so yeah, and we're going to take
you along.
We also find that when we gettogether and chat about nothing,
it can go on for hours andhours and the conversation takes
some wild and wacky turns.
Yeah, and we're going to takeyou along on that ride also, and
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we like going out and meetingweird wonderful people.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
We, I would say we both have that.
We collect people, yeah, um,well, interestingly, both of I
don't know anyone else who'snumber one, clifton strength, is
also connectedness, um, and soI think we both have like a rich
diversity of people around usall the time, and so you have
really interesting people that Iwould like to meet and
interview and share with therest of the world, and vice
(25:43):
versa.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, I don't know if what I will be doing can be
called an interview.
Um well, we don't.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
You're better at interviewing here a smarty.
We can call it whatever we want.
Okay, this is our show.
Yes, we do what we want.
We do what we want, and ifpeople don't like it, they can
pound sand, but we hope youdon't I was gonna say people are
gonna like it.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Let's be honest, um, so yeah, so that's kind of where
we're at.
There will be lots of day trips.
We are always looking for funplaces to go.
So if there's a weird wackyplace or just interesting
bizarro place that you think weshould go, holla at us, we'll go
, we'll take you with us, we'llreport back and we'll be
(26:30):
brutally honest if we think itsucks balls.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, and we do want to create some community around
this movement because it wasreally, it was a gift for us,
absolutely.
And a lot of the people that wemet on the cruise ship said, oh
my God, what a great idea.
I'm going to do that to my kids.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, anyone who had kids of any age, whether they
were babies or adults, were like, oh my gosh, when I die, I'm
going to create a dead mom.
I'm going to emotionallyblackmail my children.
Absolutely.
I'm going to create a dead momscavenger hunt for my kids to go
see places that were importantto me or places that I just want
to make them go, you know.
So part of the scavenger hunthas been places that she wanted
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specifically us to go together.
Some of it are places that shealways wanted to go or had been
and loved, and those are theones that we do because she
can't, so we're going to.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah she was really pissed there at the end that she
couldn't go on more adventuresand do the things that she
wanted to do, and so she wassuper active in, yeah, 90 of her
life she was fun.
I have so many great memoriesof just going and doing things
with her you mentioned alreadylike we'd love to hear from
people on locations and thingslike that, and also, yeah, what
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would be on your dead momscavenger hunt?
so how can they get a hold of usright now would be a question
that would probably be coming tomind right now, in this moment.
You can reach out to us.
We'll put links to wherever youcan reach out in the show notes
in the show notes.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Oh my god, I've always wanted to say that we'll
put all kinds of links in theshow notes.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
We'll link in the show notes.
Yeah, it's a real pleasure tobe here, but we do have an email
address.
So far, this is all brand new.
Um, we're sort of winging it,yeah, but it is dmsh as in dead
mom scavenger hunt at gmailcom.
It's not dmsc.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Oh, it's not okay.
Oh no, you're right I'm sorrymsh pod.
Yeah, kira's already giving youmisinformation.
It won't be the last time.
It's dmsh pod at gmailcom.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, and by the, time anybody listens to this
instagram yeah, d yeah, dmshpod,which I'm sure is available.
We don't have it yet.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
If it's not, available, we'll correct it, but
for now, birdie, get out ofthere.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Just check the show notes, because we'll list it all
there, but the website anytimeyou want to find out more
information or anything likethat about anything in the
future.
Also, dmshpodcom will be thewebsite Once I finish putting it
together Great.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I can help with that.
I know you can have you startedit.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Nope, Okay Great, we were going to use, um, like kind
of a done for you situation,but we decided the Royal.
We decided not to do thatbecause we we deserve better.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Okay, all right, I mean we did our logo.
All right, I mean we did ourlogo you did our logo.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
You helped.
It would be plain text if itwas up to me.
You helped Again with thecomplimentary skill set.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
You and the good people at Squeeze Chiz, squeeze
Chiz, so yeah, so that's whatthis is all about Going to be
about today.
If there's anything you wouldlike us to talk about and wax
poetic about, holla at us.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, I feel like this first one might be winding
down.
Yeah, and we need to regroupand figure out what to talk
about next.
Tara's done talking to meapparently.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Hey Roz, oh dear.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
All right Well.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
If you know, you know , know, you know.
If you know, you know trademarkanyone in Juneau that we see
wearing that, yeah, or sellingit?
We came up with it.
We came up with it, yeah,looking at you, what was that
cute store, the post office uhkindred post.
Yeah, yes, shout out kindredpost, we gotta.
We gotta.
Probably not shout should we.
Are people gonna be annoyedthat we're constantly shouting
out things?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
no, because if you go to juno, go visit kindred post.
It's a adorable little store.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
No, I mean just by us saying shout out, kindred post.
Well, we can say somethingdifferent, like I'm trying to
decide if that's cute orannoying.
Um, but if you go to juno, goto kindred post, it's a great
little.
I love that we're alreadyannoying you.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I mean, it doesn't take long in general, but if you
do, yeah, but seriously, if youdo go to like, if you go to
juno, go to kindred post andcheck out their um like jewelry
that's made by locals and stufflike that, and they are proudly
queer owned and operated, whichwe love we ate the same tacos.
(30:58):
Oh my God, we had tacos at thesame place three times in one
day.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Deckhand, dave's fish taco.
I think about those fish tacosway more than I should.
Yeah, I think about those fishtacos.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I compare every fish taco I've had since against
those ones.
How do you remember thatDeckhand Dave's?
I couldn't remember.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
It's burned into my soul because I loved it so much.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Also.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Deckhand Dave kind of hot but also knows it and is
kind of annoying.
But yeah, deckhand Dave'seasily the second best fish taco
of my life.
But yeah, deckhand Dave'seasily the second best fish taco
of my life.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
First one was in Puerto Vallarta at a weird
little truck that was on awalking taco tour that I took,
okay, but who would think fishtacos in like Juneau would be
the greatest thing of all time?
That's what would stack upagainst, I mean Mexico.
I would understand from alittle truck, yeah, but yeah, we
didn't see that coming.
No, and it sucked us right in.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Oh, yeah, it did oh, and they have great cocktails.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, there's this cool little like food area.
Yeah, it's like a food foodcourt.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
It's a food court, food truck court food I'm sure
there's a word for this becausethey have them all, like they
have them in san francisco.
They have them.
They have one here, a food foodpark.
Oh yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
It's called a food park.
Yeah, so we visited the foodpark.
We rode all the rides Severaltimes.
We got very fat and happy.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
We got a fast pass for deckhand Dave's yes.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So good, so definitely go there.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, yeah, we spent a couple days.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
We're so good we spent a couple of days, which I
think was a good move.
So smart, um I really.
What I didn't expect to enjoywas the waking up in a different
place every day on the show.
Like I, I expect I don't.
I'm sort of a homebody.
I don't like to be like movingaround a lot.
Yeah, but waking.
I think that's the only way tosee alaska if you want to see
(32:53):
all the things in a short periodof time.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Especially, a lot of the places we went were really
only easily accessible by boatand.
Juneau is only boat or plane.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
You're nobody driving there, you bury anybody barely
driving there who lives there.
We remember we could barely geta ride anywhere, so if you go
there, don't expect to get anuber, because you't, at least at
the time of this recording.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, well, there was that one guy who wasn't even an
Uber, it was just he had alittle card that said I'll drive
you places, yeah, and wethought he might have stranded
us at a bear preserve, but hedid come back for us.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
No, that was in Sitka oh.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Fortress of the Bear.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
yeah, we pulled up to Sitka thinking we were smarter
than everybody else who took thetour, which actually it turned
out we were.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Oh, we are Also, if you go on a cruise, the
excursions.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Well preface this, because some of the excursions
that we did were with Seabournand were very cool and we could
not have done on our own.
We couldn't have kayaked in theHubbard Glacier A hundred
percent Area.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
And also Kara and I are not joiners, so we were like
we want to get off this boatand get.
Is that why I like you so much?
Probably get as far away fromall the cruise people.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
No offense to the cruise people, no offense to
most of the cruise people.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
That's not true.
No offense to some of thecruise people.
A lot of cruise people are uberannoying there.
I said it, I said it and Imeant it and I stand by it.
So we were trying to get tovery out of the way,
non-touristy places where cruisepeople were not going.
Yes, Because most of the littletowns we were in they're
annoyed by the cruise people andwe did not want to be lumped in
(34:29):
.
No, I was loath to tell people.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
we were cruise people .
You were like but we're notwith the big cruise, we're with
the little cruise.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Well, and also I was like but we're not cruise people
.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Because that was one of the factors that led to us
choosing Seabourn was it wassmaller.
There was, I think there waslike 600 people total, whereas
like just for comparison, thebig ones like Carnival and stuff
, there's like 3,000, 3,000 someodd people.
It's a city, it's a floatingcity.
A disgusting floating city andI felt like by the end of the
trip, like we were like hey Roz,like we knew all the people on
(35:00):
the boat and the people thatwere working on the boat.
It was a very cool experienceyeah.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
No, it was great.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Like, I'm so grateful that we got the opportunity to
go and do that together.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
And, like I said, I'm not for you know,
advertisements, but seaborn, ifyou want to sponsor us.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
We do need to make to .
I'm thinking some like we'llthink about it.
There's somewhere.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Let's make it seem like they have to woo us they
don't though just well, now theyknow they don't.
Well, I'm not in charge alsoalso care is the worst liar ever
.
God damn, you're terrible, I'mso terrible, j Jesus.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Not that I'm great, but I'm better than you.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I'm too literal yeah, so I got no game Fish tacos.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Kindred Post, so that was a cool way to see Alaska.
We went to the Hubbard GlacierHaines was beautiful, haines was
amazing, the Hammer.
Museum, the Hammer Museum,that's right.
Craftsmanship out the yangEveryone kept offering me weed.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, and I look like a narc and Kara looks like a
stoner, which is kind ofopposite-y style, like Kara's
way more of a narc than me.
I'm not a narc, I didn't sayyou were a narc, but you're more
straight lacy.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, I wouldn't even drink a beer with you in the
park because I was afraid.
Okay, but to be fair, to befair, I didn't want any.
I didn't want to get hassled byanybody who might hold us up
and make us miss our boat,because the price wasn't worth.
It wasn't the worst, the priceof admission.
So we went we just finished ourpizza and went next door and
got beers and she made a wholebig thing about it.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
She was such a wuss bag.
I was like we're in a park andyou can just put it in this
paper bag or like hide it underthe bench.
No one's going to come up tothese middle-aged ladies and be
like, hey, ladies, are youhaving a beer with your artisan
pizza?
You can't be doing that inHanes.
We'll bust your ass.
Well, I did look it up and itis illegal.
(36:53):
Well, so are a lot of things,but that doesn't.
Legality is only one of ouroptions, cara.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
And it's often not the best one.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, well, I still stand by my choices.
I enjoyed my beer and pizzaimmensely and I made a point to
drink it real slow.
I know I watched you.
I watched you enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
The pizza was excellent.
I don't remember the name ofthe pizza place, but there is
only one pizza place.
I was going to say it's thepizza place in Haines, Alaska.
No, it probably does have aname, but does it require one If
you need pizza and you findyourself in Haines, Alaska, I'm
the only pizza place and it wasreally really good.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, Downtown, Very cute we saw someone having a.
Remember they were having likea bachelorette party there or a
bridal shower.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Oh, at the pizza place.
Yeah, they were like shut downfor a bachelorette party, yeah,
no, it was a bridal shower.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
They weren't even shut down, they were just like
had a table.
Yeah, that's Alaska for you,and that place doesn't even like
serve booze.
So we'll.
We'll give you a full rundownon Alaska at a later point in
time, because otherwise thisepisode would be 47 hours long
well, probably, maybe I don'tknow what we're gonna do, like
(38:05):
we don't know what we're gonnado no, we don't have a plan.
You know what this is a real,it's gonna be a loose operation.
It's a loose operation.
There's probably gonna be a, asteep learning curve, or maybe a
shallow learning curve.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Shallow, grave, I don't know man, but yeah it
remains to be seen, but it'sgoing to work.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Oh, you know what else I've always wanted to say?
I want to say it right now.
Are you ready?
Yeah, please rate, review,subscribe.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I think we're supposed to say that I'm pretty
sure we are too.
I just never do Five stars.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Five stars If you, if you're going to give us less
than five stars, just fuck off.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I'm pretty sure we can't threaten people, or
actually we can do what we want,huh Well fuck off isn't a
threat.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Do you feel threatened by it?
I mean a little bit.
I'm not saying it to you, Imean I have.
I have said it to you manytimes, but just not right now
yeah, so um, yeah, I concur,fuck off.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Fuck off if it's less than five stars, fuck off.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
If it's less than less than god, why can't I talk?
If it's less than five stars,fuck off.
Maybe we'll put that on somemerch.
Yeah, that applies toeverything that?
Yep, that applies to life.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I don't want your opinion, unless on some merch.
Yeah, that applies toeverything.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yep, that applies to life.
I don't want your opinion.
Unless it's five stars, Nope.
If it's less than five stars,fuck off.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
So with that we will.
That feels like a good place towrap this first, this first
episode.
That's a wrap.
That's a wrap Rate, review andsubscribe Follow rate.
That's a wrap rate, review andsubscribe follow rate review and
follow rate review, subscribe,follow, yeah, and check the show
notes for links to where youcan connect with us, because we
do want to have a space thatpeople can like a patreon or
(39:45):
something where we can talk topeople and connect about all the
things that we want to talkabout and that you guys want to
talk about and um, yeah, yeah,and travel pictures and things
like that so yeah, and we willput a bunch of stuff on our
instagram when we get one, whichwe will, which all in good time
, we will.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Maybe I can move all the mom's list stuff over to
there.
So it's not on my business one.
Probably we'll.
We'll work on that?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, we'll work on that behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah, we won't make you guys help.
All right, let's wrap this up.
All right, we got to go.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Bye.
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