October 22, 2025 • 32 mins
The salient focus of our discourse centers on the profound exploration of telepathy, an often overlooked and misunderstood phenomenon, as elucidated by Dr. Diane Cartwright. Throughout our conversation, we delve into Dr. Cartwright's compelling narrative, detailing her journey from a conventional medical background to her pursuit of parapsychological inquiry. We discuss her extensive research, which reveals that a significant portion of the population has experienced telepathic events, challenging the prevailing skepticism surrounding such phenomena. Dr. Cartwright articulates her belief that these abilities are intrinsic to human nature and merit recognition rather than dismissal. As we navigate this intricate subject, we invite our listeners to reflect upon their own experiences and the broader implications of telepathy within the realms of science and spirituality.
The discourse presented in this podcast episode intricately explores the nuanced realm of telepathy, a subject that Dr. Diane Cartwright has passionately investigated throughout her career. Dr. Cartwright, a seasoned medical professional, recounts the genesis of her fascination with psychic phenomena, which commenced during her adolescence when an extraordinary dream of her father foresaw a friend's demise. This pivotal moment catalyzed her journey into understanding the complexities of telepathy, leading her to conduct a survey among her patients, revealing that a remarkable 80% had experienced phenomena consistent with extrasensory perception. Through her empirical approach, she challenges the stigmatization of such experiences within the scientific community, positing that telepathy is an innate human capability, deserving recognition and exploration. As she articulates her findings, Dr. Cartwright not only sheds light on the prevalence of telepathic experiences but also advocates for a broader acceptance of psychic phenomena as integral to the human experience, thereby bridging the gap between science and spirituality.
The interview further delves into Dr. Cartwright's academic journey, revealing the societal constraints she faced as a woman seeking to enter the medical field during a time when such aspirations were met with skepticism. Her narrative is not merely autobiographical; it serves as a testament to the evolving perceptions of women's roles in science and medicine. The podcast also addresses the challenges Dr. Cartwright encountered when attempting to publish her research, underscoring the reluctance of established scientific institutions to embrace studies that delve into the metaphysical. This barrier has not deterred her, as she has chosen to disseminate her findings through her self-published book, thereby ensuring that the discourse surrounding telepathy is accessible to a wider audience. Through her compelling narrative, Dr. Cartwright invites listeners to reconsider the boundaries of scientific inquiry and to acknowledge the validity of personal experiences that defy conventional explanations.
In conclusion, the episode serves as a profound exploration of telepathy, articulated through the lens of a medical professional who has transcended the traditional confines of her discipline. Dr. Cartwright's insights not only illuminate the commonality of telepathic experiences among individuals but also challenge the scientific discourse to embrace a more holistic understanding of human consciousness. As the podcast unfolds, it becomes evident that the intersection of science and spirituality is not merely a realm of speculation, but a landscape rich with empirical possibility, warranting further investigation and open-minded consideration. This episode is a clarion call to both the academic community and the public to engage in a more profound dialogue regarding the mysteries of the human experience, encouraging a reevaluation of what is deemed possible within the expansive tapestry of life.
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Good evening, good morning,good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen,
wherever you are in the world.
This is Jock here.
This is Deadly Departed.
And this is our author sectionof Deadly Departed, where I get to
chat to wonderful authors thatare changing, if you like the paradigm
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in parapsychology andspirituality and all things that
may confuse us in thismaterial world.
And today, my guest is awonderful Dr. Diane Cartwright, who
wrote a great book.
You might have actually seenit in some of the promotions that
we've done.
You may have seen it in herhomepage on Paranormal Daily News.
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Well, now I get to actuallychat to Dr. Diane about her passion
for her book in telepathy.
And of course, that's a bigthing at the moment.
Now, unfortunately, if you arewatching this, you're just gonna
see a picture of Diane.
Cause we've had a little bitof a problem.
We can't connect the camera.
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But for those of you who arelistening to the podcast, the Deadly
Departed Podcast, it doesn'treally matter because you're listening
and you'll listen to ourwonderful voice.
Welcome to the Deadly DepartedPodcast, where the veil between the
living and the dead is just awhisper away.
I'm Jock, and along with mycolleagues in Paranormal Daily News,
we will be your guides throughthe shadowy realms of paranormal
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and the unexplained.
In each episode, we will diveinto the eerie and the enigmatic
with the help of today'sleading experts in parapsychology,
science and the supernatural.
Prepare to uncover the secretsthat lurk in the dark and explore
the mysteries that defy explanation.
Let's embark on this journey now.
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Thank you for joining us today.
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Enjoy the next episode.
God bless Diane.
Welcome to Deadly Departed PDN Books.
Author.
How are you?
I'm fine, thanks, joc.
Apart from all the technologyproblems, it's all good.
So it's a pleasure to see youhere today.
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Fire away.
What would you like to know?
Well, yeah, we got here.
Finally.
Finally we got here.
We've had A bit of a timetrying to get connected, but now
we are and this is great.
So listen, I know a little bitabout you, I know a little bit about
your wonderful book ontelepathy or lost sense, but I think
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it may be a great introductionif you just tell people a little
bit about you and then we'llget into how the book came around,
you know, where your passionlay and maybe you know from your
experiences what led you ontothis field of research.
Fine.
So I was born at the end ofthe Second World War, so I'm a really
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old lady now, born inBrisbane, Australia and I grew up
there in a very happy homewith a sister and two brothers.
And yeah, it's interesting, Istudied both at the University of
Queensland two times.
The first time I did a biologydegree in science and the second
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time I did medicine 10 years later.
So in my day it wasn't kosherfor a female to become a medico.
It was considered to be atotal waste of time because we wouldn't
work, we'd marry, we'd havechildren and would all be great waste.
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That's what my parents thought anyway.
So around about the same timecame along the pill.
And that made a hugedifference to lots of women, including
myself.
So I was just fortunate Icould go back and do medicine, which
is my real passion in life, abit later on.
So I'll just tell you how Igot interested in psychic phenomena.
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About the age of 17, my dadcame out to the breakfast table one
day and said, I've just hadthe strangest dream.
And he said, I dreamt I sawour neighbor Frank sitting on his
fence across the road.
And he said, you know, he'sbeen dead for three years.
So he said I went over to himin my dream and I said, frank, what
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are you doing here?
And he said, I'm waiting.
And dad said, well, what areyou waiting for?
And he said, oh, you'll findout in the morning, I can't tell
you.
So that was the dream.
And then later on that day wediscovered that Frank's best friend,
who lived down the end of ourstreet, had died unexpectedly overnight
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from a heart attack.
So this was a huge, amazing,mind boggling incident in our otherwise
normal lives.
And I'd have to say that I wasfascinated by it and turned to reading
lots of books like the ThirdEye, written by some supposedly Tibetan
monk.
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My sister turned to the Ouijaboard and my brother became a born
again Christian.
So that's where it all startedabout later on.
Yeah, it was pretty was pretty incredible.
About three years later, Istarted receiving telepathic messages
about things that were goingto happen or actually hear what somebody
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was going to say before theyopened their mouth.
And this eventually becamemuch more common once I got into
my 40s and 50s, although itwas sporadic and unusual, and it
was always absolutelyincredible and never to be forgotten
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experience.
And so I started knowingthings about things that had happened,
like somebody who died, andthen I'd find out the following day
that it was true.
A friend of mine, I thought,she's going to have her baby tonight.
I thought, that's a bit strange.
She's not ready yet.
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You know, she's got anothersix weeks to go.
And I discovered the next dayshe'd had her babies, she had three
of them, she had triplets.
So she'd been keeping it very quiet.
Yes.
So eventually, you know, lotsof different sorts of things were
happening.
I knew what was going tohappen in the future.
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I was aware of dangerous things.
I just.
I'd been contacted by a coupleof ghosts and I thought, well, what's
going on here?
I thought, how many peoplehave these experiences?
And I started talking to myfriends, and then I found that almost
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every second person had one ofthese strange experiences, a strange
psychic experience that theycouldn't understand, couldn't believe,
but put it down to a psychicexperience because there was absolutely
no other explanation for it.
So towards the end of mycareer, after all this, I was thinking
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I was pretty special and thatI thought, I wonder how many people
can actually do this stuff,you know, even if it's only 5 or
10% of the population, that'smillions of people all over the world.
So at this point, I decided tosurvey my patients.
So they come in to see meabout their cough or cold or blood
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pressure tablets or any whatever.
And when I finished, I wouldsay to them, I'm doing a survey on
a topic that interests me.
Would you be willing to take part?
And they all said, yes, of course.
And then I would say, have youor any other member of your family
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ever had an experience of esp?
Now, they pretty much all knewwhat ESP was, they all knew what
it meant, and.
And I was expecting 5 or 10%on the first day.
More than half of them saidyes, then proceeded to tell me this
great, long, convoluted storythat came out in big gushes of.
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And scrambled up.
So they told me the endingfirst or the beginning or the middle.
It was all haphazard, and atthe end of the day, I was running
Two hours late.
And I thought, oh, my God, Ican't do this.
This is incredible.
So, so I continued the survey,but I used to have to pick a day
when I wasn't too heavilybooked, and then I would ask every
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person on that day who came inthese questions.
And I also asked them aboutthe telephone questions.
So the telephone questionswere, do you ever know who's on the
telephone before you answer it?
And the second question was,if you ring a friend that you haven't,
or a relative you haven'tspoken to for a long time, do they
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ever say, I was just thinkingof you?
And so to me, those two thingsmean that those two questions mean
that if the people said yes toeither one of them, they were receiving
or sending a message toanother person that was being received
by that person's brain beforethe telephone actually rang and was
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answered.
So this to me is an indicationof telepathy, because telepathy is
defined as mind to mindcommunication without using our normal
senses of hearing and sightand sign language and reading and
all those sorts of things.
So the results were absolutely astounding.
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80% of my patients said yes toone of those questions.
And that meant I was.
When we talk about illnessesand diseases and things in medicine,
we talk about the prevalenceof something which is the, is the
number of people who sufferfrom that particular illness or disease
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sometime during their life.
So when 80% of the people saidyes, that puts it up right up there
with the common cold.
It's as common as the common cold.
So that was really intriguing.
And then I thought, if this isso common, it means that it's a part
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of our ability as a human,it's part of our DNA.
So it's got to workphysiologically and it's got to obey
the laws of physics.
So how does it work?
So eventually when I retired,then I had the time to sit down and
start going into it.
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Hmm.
So that's, that's thebackground of why I was interested
in.
And you didn't have.
I just.
Sorry, you.
You said to me as wellbeforehand that with you being a
doctor, a medical doctor, youhad to do this all kind of quietly
and sort because it wasfrowned upon.
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It was very difficult for youin Australia to do this research
and then write about it andkind of come out into the masses.
So you had to wait untilliterally you retired to be able
to voice your opinion or toshare your research.
But you correct me if I'mwrong, you were doing this research
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for a very long time beforeyou even.
You retired.
Oh, well, only for the yearbefore I retired.
Took me a whole year to do thesurvey and then I retired.
Right, so yeah, so you did itfor a year.
Okay, I did it for a year,which is unfortunate really because
you know, I didn't set it upproperly scientifically, although
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I did all the right things.
I didn't get.
Yeah, it was your own research and.
I didn't do all of that stuff.
And so when I later tried toget it published academically, nobody
wanted to know me.
So I went to the University oftownsville that I. J.C. james Cook
University based in Townsvillegains which I.
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Which I was a associateadjunct lecturer for.
I went to QueenslandUniversity where from which I had
2 degrees.
I tried the Australian Collegeof General Practitioners.
Absolutely nobody wanted toknow about my work.
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As soon as I.
None of them would look at you.
And none of them would look at it.
And then even the Journal ofScientific Exploration, the Parapsychology
Journal, they didn't like iteither because I hadn't set up the
survey exactly the way theywould have done it.
So yeah, no irb, no ethics,nothing like that.
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Yeah, yeah, so I did haveethics because I always asked my
patients for verbalpermission, but I didn't get them
to sign a piece of paper.
So that was where I came unstuck.
So although the survey wasconducted properly, the findings
of it can't be published academically.
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Which is why I decided towrite the book.
Because I think that this is areally important thing that people
need to know.
They need to know thattelepathy and some other psychic
experiences are very commonamongst humans, that they're not
something to be secretiveabout or hidden away.
It's nothing to be feared,it's just part of who we are.
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And yeah, so that's why Istarted researching and writing the
book.
And how did your, how did,when you finished the book, Diane,
and you published that book,how did your peers accept that?
I mean you obviously didn'tcare then cause you'd retired.
But did you get any kind offlashback from it?
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Did you any push back and stuff?
No, I don't think that theMedical college or the College of
General Practitioners or anyof those people actually know about
my book because it's very hardto get it into the sight of the general
community and into societybecause I was self published.
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So you don't start off with abig book launch and fanfare from
a recognized publishing company.
So yeah, so so far I don'tthink too many of them know about
it.
The doctors who do know aboutit all say, oh yes, that's interesting.
I can do that, or my mothercan do that, or somebody, you know,
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amongst my friends and peersthat I know about it.
They're all very accepting of it.
And then quite a lot of peoplesay, oh yes, the scientists are very
secretive.
So when I asked my friend whois a quantum physicist, yes, they
are a hands up about how shethought this might work and was it
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anything to do with quantum physics?
She said, it's absolutelynothing to do with quantum physics
and it's probably an antenna.
Your brain is acting as anantenna for electromagnetic radiation.
So I said, oh, okay, fine.
She said, now if you're goingto write a book about this or publish
this, do not mention my name.
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And that's the way it's been.
Where have I heard that before?
Yeah, I ask all these.
I had to reach out to quite alot of people in different fields.
Like there was this lovely guywho was a lecturer in physics and
had given a course atLiverpool University or somewhere
like that on how antennas worked.
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And when I reached out to him,he said, oh, this is really interesting.
Write me these six page letters.
And then he said, I can't dothis, I'm a laser physicist.
And he said, I don't want tohear any more about it.
So I said, okay, you know,it's just.
That's pervasive throughoutthe scientific community.
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Absolutely it is.
And I think, but however, I dothink that we are making ground and
certainly we are breaking somescientific barriers.
And as you probably know, theparapsychological association was
accepted into the scientific community.
And what people don'tunderstand out there, Diane, is that
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in parapsychology we do havevery scientific methodology for measuring
anomalous phenomena andprobably even more stringent than
some other materialistic frameworks.
So I think, you know, it's.
And, and of course your bookis a great time now because telepathy,
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with the telepathy tapes andeverything else is kind of becoming
a bit of a, a bit of akeyword, a bit of a buzzword.
Everybody wants to know about it.
So it's an innate.
Now, I love the fact in yourbook, you, you mentioned that this
is a forgotten sense.
Right.
And I couldn't, I couldn'tagree with you anymore because that
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to me is, is a forgotten giftor a forgotten aspect of us that,
that, that people don'trealize they have.
And when you were, when youwere talking to your patients, was
any of them surprised that youwere actually doing this?
Research.
They were surprised when Iasked them the question about the
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did had they had an experienceof asb.
I used to get this longsilence and they'd absolutely stare
at me with this reallypenetrating stare.
And they'd look at me so I hadto maintain eye contact so they didn't
think I was tricking them orbeing dishonest or anything like
that.
And then they'd eventuallysay, yes, I have.
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And away they go.
So excited.
So they're all really excitedto be able to discuss it with someone.
And they had never ever, mostof them discussed it with anybody
outside their family.
So yeah, it was, it was, itwas fun to do it.
Can you give.
Give me for people that arelistening, for people that are listening
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out there, give me probablyone of your greatest examples that's
in your book that would makesomeone think, wow, yeah, I've probably
experienced that as well.
And obviously we want them toread your book.
But what is one of thestrongest examples of telepathy from
within the pages of your book?
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Let me think.
You might have to edit this abit, Jock, so that we can cut out
this gap while my brain ticks around.
Let me think, Listen, you doit finding.
Don't need to worry aboutediting because I've written several
books, I've been on many showsand I've been asked questions about
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Deadly Departed and my booksI've written.
I'm like, hang on a minutenow, I can't remember what bit I
wrote that.
So don't you worry.
Gosh, that's a tricky question.
I heard so many stories thatwere so mind boggling.
But to narrow it down to oneof the telepathy stories, probably.
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Well, let me ask you, let memake it a bit easier for you.
Was there anybody that wasmaybe a peer of yours, maybe somebody
that you spoke to that was aresearcher or in the scientific community
that shocked you by saying,you know what, I have had these experiences
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and.
But they've never been able tospeak about it.
Well, I guess, yes, one of myfriends, this is a story I heard
before I did the survey.
This was a mind blowing story.
He was one of two children andhis father died when he was quite
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young, maybe about five orsix, and he had a small sister.
And this was, he was my vintage.
So this was back.
He was a bit older than I was,so he was actually born during the
Second World War.
And in those days it was verydifficult for women to bring up two
kids on their own.
So his mother managed to get ajob as an Uttered at a cinema, a
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movie theater.
And this particular nightshe'd had to leave the cinema with
Graham, rush off to thechildcare person and pick up her
little child.
And she'd forgotten to dosomething at work, so they had to
go back to the work.
And they were in the theater,it was all dark, there was just a
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couple of lights on here and there.
And they were walking up thestairs to go up to the.
The actual projection room.
And there was a personstanding up the top of the stairs,
dressed in a long sort ofovercoat and hat on his head.
And Graham said, there's daddy.
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And so he ran up the stairs togreet this person and his mother
saw his father as well.
So the two of them saw thefather and both together and in the
dim light and.
Yeah, and so that was one ofthe first stories I heard from a
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friend who'd never talkedabout it outside his family.
Yeah.
And that was one of the onesthat set me to asking other people
what their experiences had been.
Other friends.
And I got those sorts of experiences.
Yeah.
And some of the telepathyexperiences, they're not straight
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telepathy.
The most mind boggling story Iheard was also a lady who had dreams
about a friend of hers.
And she was only.
She was quite young and shedreamt on the Wednesday night that
there was a car accident andshe saw a person, a body sitting
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propped up against a fence andthere was this very frightening.
So she ran in, she woke up,she ran in, she woke up her parents
and told them all about her dream.
And on the Thursday night shehad another dream.
And in this dream she'd run toa house nearby and she was wanting
to use the telephone to ringup the police or ambulance about
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this accident.
And the owner of the housesaid that he'd already rung and so
she was wrestling with thisperson to try and get the phone off
him so that she could tell her story.
And on the Friday night, andagain she woke up her parents.
And on the Friday night shehad another dream.
And in this dream she wasbeing put into an ambulance and she
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couldn't breathe and shethought she'd broken a collarbone,
but she was gasping for airand she couldn't breathe and she
was somehow very unhappy withwhat was going on.
So that was it.
And the third night she wokeher parents up as well.
So on the Saturday she wassupposed to be going out with her
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boyfriend on Sunday and sherang him up and she said, I'm canceling
our trip on Sunday because Ineed to Be with my friend.
And on the Sunday, she heardthat her friend was in hospital and
had had an accident.
So.
So she went in to see herfriend, and her friend told her the
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story of what had happened.
And they'd been in the car.
There's a group of teenagers.
One of the girls was thrownout of the car, hit a head and died
and was propped up against the fence.
This girl was the only one whowas conscious.
She jumped out of the car intoa neighbor's house or somebody.
A house nearby.
And the same.
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The telephone thing happenedthat she was trying to.
Wanted to make a call on thephone, and the guy said, I heard
the accident.
I've called already.
And the third thing was, wasthat she was perfectly all right.
But when the ambulancearrived, they insisted that she should
get into the ambulance and betaken to the hospital.
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And they put a mask over herface to put.
Give her some oxygen and stuff.
And she didn't like the mask,and she was fighting with them to
try and get the mask off, andshe couldn't breathe.
So that was the most amazing story.
And that story was told to meon the very first day that I started
doing my survey.
So that was a big.
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A big hurry up to keep doingthe survey and keep going with it
and pursue it.
Yeah.
So I think that was probablythe most amazing story I heard.
And it's sort of a combination.
That's absolutely fantastic.
That's an amazing story, Diane.
It's impossible to say whereclairvoyance and telepathy meet.
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On that one, you know, she wasobviously seeing the incident through
the eyes of her friend, but ithadn't happened yet.
It happened on the Saturday night.
So, you know, it was three years.
So you're having aprecognitive experience.
Yes, yeah, exactly.
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So that, to me, was probablythe most interesting of all the stories
that I heard.
What's your next question, Jock?
Well, Diane, thank you.
I want everybody that'slistening to this to, if they're
interested in psychicphenomena, ESP and telepathy, to
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dive in and to check your book.
They're going to get a link toyour book from this podcast episode,
from this PDN Books episode,But also they can go on to Paranormal
Daily News.
You've got a whole book pagethere where they can connect with
you and they can buy that book.
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Because I think it's brilliantwhat you've done with your book and
publishing the book on your own.
And I think for someone inyour position as a medical doctor,
I think to have the courage togo against the grain of your peers
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and what people expect fromyou in the medical community takes
a great deal of courage forwhat you've actually done, Diane.
And for that, I think, youknow, I take my hat off to you.
And it's a lot easier for someof us that have been doing this for
a long time that don't havethat worry in your field, in the
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medical field.
A good friend of mine is apsychiatrist, and he had to come
out and really shake the wholescientific community because of his
experiences.
And that takes a great deal of courage.
So, Diane, thank you for beingwith me on this book episode on Deadly
Departed.
I wish you all the very bestand we are going to get you back
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so we can have a longer and adeeper conversation.
Once we got your camera andeverything else and all the technology
sorted out, we'll have you back.
But it's been a pleasureconnecting with you and it's been
really great to hear yourstory and your passion, and I wish
you the very best.
And ladies and gentlemen, it'sgreat to read a book.
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Someone like myself, my wife,other people that are mediums that
have these experiences, butit's very different, ladies and gentlemen,
when someone comes from a veryscientific side of things, from a
materialistic perspective.
If you've listened to some ofthe podcast episodes before, I've
spoken to scientists and justmore recently, Marjorie Wilcock,
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who is a neuroscientist andhas totally changed her whole direction
in her life with theexperience she's had.
So telepathy, scientificstudying telepathy, the power that
we have of our innateintuition or psychic senses, ESP
is very real.
And I would urge any one ofyou to go out and click the link
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below, get Diane's book andread it from her perspective as a
medical doctor and doing herown research with her own patients
into their experiences.
Diane, thank you so much forbeing with me this evening.
Thank you, joc.
It's been a pleasure and I'vereally enjoyed our chat.
And this is the first of many,Diane, don't you worry.
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We've just got to get thetechnology right for you so that
I can see you and everybodyelse can see you.
And she's gonna be back,ladies and gentlemen, talking more
about her experiences in telepathy.
So send in your questions toParanormal Daily News or on Deadly
Departed on our DeadlyDeparted site.
Or, of course, you can evenmessage us through our episodes on
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wherever you listen to them.
You can message us and get intouch with us.
So, Diane, thank you once again.
For being with me.
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Welcome to Deadly Departed PDN Books.
Author.
How are you?
I'm fine, thanks, joc.
Apart from all the technologyproblems, it's all good.
So it's a pleasure to see youhere today.
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Fire away.
What would you like to know?
Well, yeah, we got here.
Finally.
Finally we got here.
We've had A bit of a timetrying to get connected, but now
we are and this is great.
So listen, I know a little bitabout you, I know a little bit about
your wonderful book ontelepathy or lost sense, but I think
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it may be a great introductionif you just tell people a little
bit about you and then we'llget into how the book came around,
you know, where your passionlay and maybe you know from your
experiences what led you ontothis field of research.
Fine.
So I was born at the end ofthe Second World War, so I'm a really
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old lady now, born inBrisbane, Australia and I grew up
there in a very happy homewith a sister and two brothers.
And yeah, it's interesting, Istudied both at the University of
Queensland two times.
The first time I did a biologydegree in science and the second
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time I did medicine 10 years later.
So in my day it wasn't kosherfor a female to become a medico.
It was considered to be atotal waste of time because we wouldn't
work, we'd marry, we'd havechildren and would all be great waste.
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That's what my parents thought anyway.
So around about the same timecame along the pill.
And that made a hugedifference to lots of women, including
myself.
So I was just fortunate Icould go back and do medicine, which
is my real passion in life, abit later on.
So I'll just tell you how Igot interested in psychic phenomena.
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About the age of 17, my dadcame out to the breakfast table one
day and said, I've just hadthe strangest dream.
And he said, I dreamt I sawour neighbor Frank sitting on his
fence across the road.
And he said, you know, he'sbeen dead for three years.
So he said I went over to himin my dream and I said, frank, what
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are you doing here?
And he said, I'm waiting.
And dad said, well, what areyou waiting for?
And he said, oh, you'll findout in the morning, I can't tell
you.
So that was the dream.
And then later on that day wediscovered that Frank's best friend,
who lived down the end of ourstreet, had died unexpectedly overnight
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from a heart attack.
So this was a huge, amazing,mind boggling incident in our otherwise
normal lives.
And I'd have to say that I wasfascinated by it and turned to reading
lots of books like the ThirdEye, written by some supposedly Tibetan
monk.
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My sister turned to the Ouijaboard and my brother became a born
again Christian.
So that's where it all startedabout later on.
Yeah, it was pretty was pretty incredible.
About three years later, Istarted receiving telepathic messages
about things that were goingto happen or actually hear what somebody
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was going to say before theyopened their mouth.
And this eventually becamemuch more common once I got into
my 40s and 50s, although itwas sporadic and unusual, and it
was always absolutelyincredible and never to be forgotten
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experience.
And so I started knowingthings about things that had happened,
like somebody who died, andthen I'd find out the following day
that it was true.
A friend of mine, I thought,she's going to have her baby tonight.
I thought, that's a bit strange.
She's not ready yet.
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You know, she's got anothersix weeks to go.
And I discovered the next dayshe'd had her babies, she had three
of them, she had triplets.
So she'd been keeping it very quiet.
Yes.
So eventually, you know, lotsof different sorts of things were
happening.
I knew what was going tohappen in the future.
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I was aware of dangerous things.
I just.
I'd been contacted by a coupleof ghosts and I thought, well, what's
going on here?
I thought, how many peoplehave these experiences?
And I started talking to myfriends, and then I found that almost
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every second person had one ofthese strange experiences, a strange
psychic experience that theycouldn't understand, couldn't believe,
but put it down to a psychicexperience because there was absolutely
no other explanation for it.
So towards the end of mycareer, after all this, I was thinking
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I was pretty special and thatI thought, I wonder how many people
can actually do this stuff,you know, even if it's only 5 or
10% of the population, that'smillions of people all over the world.
So at this point, I decided tosurvey my patients.
So they come in to see meabout their cough or cold or blood
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pressure tablets or any whatever.
And when I finished, I wouldsay to them, I'm doing a survey on
a topic that interests me.
Would you be willing to take part?
And they all said, yes, of course.
And then I would say, have youor any other member of your family
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ever had an experience of esp?
Now, they pretty much all knewwhat ESP was, they all knew what
it meant, and.
And I was expecting 5 or 10%on the first day.
More than half of them saidyes, then proceeded to tell me this
great, long, convoluted storythat came out in big gushes of.
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And scrambled up.
So they told me the endingfirst or the beginning or the middle.
It was all haphazard, and atthe end of the day, I was running
Two hours late.
And I thought, oh, my God, Ican't do this.
This is incredible.
So, so I continued the survey,but I used to have to pick a day
when I wasn't too heavilybooked, and then I would ask every
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person on that day who came inthese questions.
And I also asked them aboutthe telephone questions.
So the telephone questionswere, do you ever know who's on the
telephone before you answer it?
And the second question was,if you ring a friend that you haven't,
or a relative you haven'tspoken to for a long time, do they
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ever say, I was just thinkingof you?
And so to me, those two thingsmean that those two questions mean
that if the people said yes toeither one of them, they were receiving
or sending a message toanother person that was being received
by that person's brain beforethe telephone actually rang and was
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answered.
So this to me is an indicationof telepathy, because telepathy is
defined as mind to mindcommunication without using our normal
senses of hearing and sightand sign language and reading and
all those sorts of things.
So the results were absolutely astounding.
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80% of my patients said yes toone of those questions.
And that meant I was.
When we talk about illnessesand diseases and things in medicine,
we talk about the prevalenceof something which is the, is the
number of people who sufferfrom that particular illness or disease
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sometime during their life.
So when 80% of the people saidyes, that puts it up right up there
with the common cold.
It's as common as the common cold.
So that was really intriguing.
And then I thought, if this isso common, it means that it's a part
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of our ability as a human,it's part of our DNA.
So it's got to workphysiologically and it's got to obey
the laws of physics.
So how does it work?
So eventually when I retired,then I had the time to sit down and
start going into it.
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Hmm.
So that's, that's thebackground of why I was interested
in.
And you didn't have.
I just.
Sorry, you.
You said to me as wellbeforehand that with you being a
doctor, a medical doctor, youhad to do this all kind of quietly
and sort because it wasfrowned upon.
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It was very difficult for youin Australia to do this research
and then write about it andkind of come out into the masses.
So you had to wait untilliterally you retired to be able
to voice your opinion or toshare your research.
But you correct me if I'mwrong, you were doing this research
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for a very long time beforeyou even.
You retired.
Oh, well, only for the yearbefore I retired.
Took me a whole year to do thesurvey and then I retired.
Right, so yeah, so you did itfor a year.
Okay, I did it for a year,which is unfortunate really because
you know, I didn't set it upproperly scientifically, although
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I did all the right things.
I didn't get.
Yeah, it was your own research and.
I didn't do all of that stuff.
And so when I later tried toget it published academically, nobody
wanted to know me.
So I went to the University oftownsville that I. J.C. james Cook
University based in Townsvillegains which I.
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Which I was a associateadjunct lecturer for.
I went to QueenslandUniversity where from which I had
2 degrees.
I tried the Australian Collegeof General Practitioners.
Absolutely nobody wanted toknow about my work.
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As soon as I.
None of them would look at you.
And none of them would look at it.
And then even the Journal ofScientific Exploration, the Parapsychology
Journal, they didn't like iteither because I hadn't set up the
survey exactly the way theywould have done it.
So yeah, no irb, no ethics,nothing like that.
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Yeah, yeah, so I did haveethics because I always asked my
patients for verbalpermission, but I didn't get them
to sign a piece of paper.
So that was where I came unstuck.
So although the survey wasconducted properly, the findings
of it can't be published academically.
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Which is why I decided towrite the book.
Because I think that this is areally important thing that people
need to know.
They need to know thattelepathy and some other psychic
experiences are very commonamongst humans, that they're not
something to be secretiveabout or hidden away.
It's nothing to be feared,it's just part of who we are.
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And yeah, so that's why Istarted researching and writing the
book.
And how did your, how did,when you finished the book, Diane,
and you published that book,how did your peers accept that?
I mean you obviously didn'tcare then cause you'd retired.
But did you get any kind offlashback from it?
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Did you any push back and stuff?
No, I don't think that theMedical college or the College of
General Practitioners or anyof those people actually know about
my book because it's very hardto get it into the sight of the general
community and into societybecause I was self published.
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So you don't start off with abig book launch and fanfare from
a recognized publishing company.
So yeah, so so far I don'tthink too many of them know about
it.
The doctors who do know aboutit all say, oh yes, that's interesting.
I can do that, or my mothercan do that, or somebody, you know,
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amongst my friends and peersthat I know about it.
They're all very accepting of it.
And then quite a lot of peoplesay, oh yes, the scientists are very
secretive.
So when I asked my friend whois a quantum physicist, yes, they
are a hands up about how shethought this might work and was it
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anything to do with quantum physics?
She said, it's absolutelynothing to do with quantum physics
and it's probably an antenna.
Your brain is acting as anantenna for electromagnetic radiation.
So I said, oh, okay, fine.
She said, now if you're goingto write a book about this or publish
this, do not mention my name.
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And that's the way it's been.
Where have I heard that before?
Yeah, I ask all these.
I had to reach out to quite alot of people in different fields.
Like there was this lovely guywho was a lecturer in physics and
had given a course atLiverpool University or somewhere
like that on how antennas worked.
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And when I reached out to him,he said, oh, this is really interesting.
Write me these six page letters.
And then he said, I can't dothis, I'm a laser physicist.
And he said, I don't want tohear any more about it.
So I said, okay, you know,it's just.
That's pervasive throughoutthe scientific community.
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Absolutely it is.
And I think, but however, I dothink that we are making ground and
certainly we are breaking somescientific barriers.
And as you probably know, theparapsychological association was
accepted into the scientific community.
And what people don'tunderstand out there, Diane, is that
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in parapsychology we do havevery scientific methodology for measuring
anomalous phenomena andprobably even more stringent than
some other materialistic frameworks.
So I think, you know, it's.
And, and of course your bookis a great time now because telepathy,
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with the telepathy tapes andeverything else is kind of becoming
a bit of a, a bit of akeyword, a bit of a buzzword.
Everybody wants to know about it.
So it's an innate.
Now, I love the fact in yourbook, you, you mentioned that this
is a forgotten sense.
Right.
And I couldn't, I couldn'tagree with you anymore because that
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to me is, is a forgotten giftor a forgotten aspect of us that,
that, that people don'trealize they have.
And when you were, when youwere talking to your patients, was
any of them surprised that youwere actually doing this?
Research.
They were surprised when Iasked them the question about the
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did had they had an experienceof asb.
I used to get this longsilence and they'd absolutely stare
at me with this reallypenetrating stare.
And they'd look at me so I hadto maintain eye contact so they didn't
think I was tricking them orbeing dishonest or anything like
that.
And then they'd eventuallysay, yes, I have.
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And away they go.
So excited.
So they're all really excitedto be able to discuss it with someone.
And they had never ever, mostof them discussed it with anybody
outside their family.
So yeah, it was, it was, itwas fun to do it.
Can you give.
Give me for people that arelistening, for people that are listening
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out there, give me probablyone of your greatest examples that's
in your book that would makesomeone think, wow, yeah, I've probably
experienced that as well.
And obviously we want them toread your book.
But what is one of thestrongest examples of telepathy from
within the pages of your book?
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Let me think.
You might have to edit this abit, Jock, so that we can cut out
this gap while my brain ticks around.
Let me think, Listen, you doit finding.
Don't need to worry aboutediting because I've written several
books, I've been on many showsand I've been asked questions about
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Deadly Departed and my booksI've written.
I'm like, hang on a minutenow, I can't remember what bit I
wrote that.
So don't you worry.
Gosh, that's a tricky question.
I heard so many stories thatwere so mind boggling.
But to narrow it down to oneof the telepathy stories, probably.
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Well, let me ask you, let memake it a bit easier for you.
Was there anybody that wasmaybe a peer of yours, maybe somebody
that you spoke to that was aresearcher or in the scientific community
that shocked you by saying,you know what, I have had these experiences
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and.
But they've never been able tospeak about it.
Well, I guess, yes, one of myfriends, this is a story I heard
before I did the survey.
This was a mind blowing story.
He was one of two children andhis father died when he was quite
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young, maybe about five orsix, and he had a small sister.
And this was, he was my vintage.
So this was back.
He was a bit older than I was,so he was actually born during the
Second World War.
And in those days it was verydifficult for women to bring up two
kids on their own.
So his mother managed to get ajob as an Uttered at a cinema, a
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movie theater.
And this particular nightshe'd had to leave the cinema with
Graham, rush off to thechildcare person and pick up her
little child.
And she'd forgotten to dosomething at work, so they had to
go back to the work.
And they were in the theater,it was all dark, there was just a
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couple of lights on here and there.
And they were walking up thestairs to go up to the.
The actual projection room.
And there was a personstanding up the top of the stairs,
dressed in a long sort ofovercoat and hat on his head.
And Graham said, there's daddy.
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And so he ran up the stairs togreet this person and his mother
saw his father as well.
So the two of them saw thefather and both together and in the
dim light and.
Yeah, and so that was one ofthe first stories I heard from a
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friend who'd never talkedabout it outside his family.
Yeah.
And that was one of the onesthat set me to asking other people
what their experiences had been.
Other friends.
And I got those sorts of experiences.
Yeah.
And some of the telepathyexperiences, they're not straight
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telepathy.
The most mind boggling story Iheard was also a lady who had dreams
about a friend of hers.
And she was only.
She was quite young and shedreamt on the Wednesday night that
there was a car accident andshe saw a person, a body sitting
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propped up against a fence andthere was this very frightening.
So she ran in, she woke up,she ran in, she woke up her parents
and told them all about her dream.
And on the Thursday night shehad another dream.
And in this dream she'd run toa house nearby and she was wanting
to use the telephone to ringup the police or ambulance about
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this accident.
And the owner of the housesaid that he'd already rung and so
she was wrestling with thisperson to try and get the phone off
him so that she could tell her story.
And on the Friday night, andagain she woke up her parents.
And on the Friday night shehad another dream.
And in this dream she wasbeing put into an ambulance and she
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couldn't breathe and shethought she'd broken a collarbone,
but she was gasping for airand she couldn't breathe and she
was somehow very unhappy withwhat was going on.
So that was it.
And the third night she wokeher parents up as well.
So on the Saturday she wassupposed to be going out with her
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boyfriend on Sunday and sherang him up and she said, I'm canceling
our trip on Sunday because Ineed to Be with my friend.
And on the Sunday, she heardthat her friend was in hospital and
had had an accident.
So.
So she went in to see herfriend, and her friend told her the
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story of what had happened.
And they'd been in the car.
There's a group of teenagers.
One of the girls was thrownout of the car, hit a head and died
and was propped up against the fence.
This girl was the only one whowas conscious.
She jumped out of the car intoa neighbor's house or somebody.
A house nearby.
And the same.
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The telephone thing happenedthat she was trying to.
Wanted to make a call on thephone, and the guy said, I heard
the accident.
I've called already.
And the third thing was, wasthat she was perfectly all right.
But when the ambulancearrived, they insisted that she should
get into the ambulance and betaken to the hospital.
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And they put a mask over herface to put.
Give her some oxygen and stuff.
And she didn't like the mask,and she was fighting with them to
try and get the mask off, andshe couldn't breathe.
So that was the most amazing story.
And that story was told to meon the very first day that I started
doing my survey.
So that was a big.
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A big hurry up to keep doingthe survey and keep going with it
and pursue it.
Yeah.
So I think that was probablythe most amazing story I heard.
And it's sort of a combination.
That's absolutely fantastic.
That's an amazing story, Diane.
It's impossible to say whereclairvoyance and telepathy meet.
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On that one, you know, she wasobviously seeing the incident through
the eyes of her friend, but ithadn't happened yet.
It happened on the Saturday night.
So, you know, it was three years.
So you're having aprecognitive experience.
Yes, yeah, exactly.
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So that, to me, was probablythe most interesting of all the stories
that I heard.
What's your next question, Jock?
Well, Diane, thank you.
I want everybody that'slistening to this to, if they're
interested in psychicphenomena, ESP and telepathy, to
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dive in and to check your book.
They're going to get a link toyour book from this podcast episode,
from this PDN Books episode,But also they can go on to Paranormal
Daily News.
You've got a whole book pagethere where they can connect with
you and they can buy that book.
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Because I think it's brilliantwhat you've done with your book and
publishing the book on your own.
And I think for someone inyour position as a medical doctor,
I think to have the courage togo against the grain of your peers
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and what people expect fromyou in the medical community takes
a great deal of courage forwhat you've actually done, Diane.
And for that, I think, youknow, I take my hat off to you.
And it's a lot easier for someof us that have been doing this for
a long time that don't havethat worry in your field, in the
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medical field.
A good friend of mine is apsychiatrist, and he had to come
out and really shake the wholescientific community because of his
experiences.
And that takes a great deal of courage.
So, Diane, thank you for beingwith me on this book episode on Deadly
Departed.
I wish you all the very bestand we are going to get you back
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so we can have a longer and adeeper conversation.
Once we got your camera andeverything else and all the technology
sorted out, we'll have you back.
But it's been a pleasureconnecting with you and it's been
really great to hear yourstory and your passion, and I wish
you the very best.
And ladies and gentlemen, it'sgreat to read a book.
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Someone like myself, my wife,other people that are mediums that
have these experiences, butit's very different, ladies and gentlemen,
when someone comes from a veryscientific side of things, from a
materialistic perspective.
If you've listened to some ofthe podcast episodes before, I've
spoken to scientists and justmore recently, Marjorie Wilcock,
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who is a neuroscientist andhas totally changed her whole direction
in her life with theexperience she's had.
So telepathy, scientificstudying telepathy, the power that
we have of our innateintuition or psychic senses, ESP
is very real.
And I would urge any one ofyou to go out and click the link
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below, get Diane's book andread it from her perspective as a
medical doctor and doing herown research with her own patients
into their experiences.
Diane, thank you so much forbeing with me this evening.
Thank you, joc.
It's been a pleasure and I'vereally enjoyed our chat.
And this is the first of many,Diane, don't you worry.
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We've just got to get thetechnology right for you so that
I can see you and everybodyelse can see you.
And she's gonna be back,ladies and gentlemen, talking more
about her experiences in telepathy.
So send in your questions toParanormal Daily News or on Deadly
Departed on our DeadlyDeparted site.
Or, of course, you can evenmessage us through our episodes on
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wherever you listen to them.
You can message us and get intouch with us.
So, Diane, thank you once again.
For being with me.
That link again, ladies and gentlemen.
You can get Diane's bookdirect from Paranormal Daily News,
the Telepathy or Lost Sense.
Brilliant.
Go get it, read it and send usin your questions.
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