The Intersection of Hauntings and Alien Phenomena

The central theme of our discourse revolves around the intriguing notion that telepathy, frequently attributed to extraterrestrial entities, may serve as a conduit for understanding anomalous phenomena, including hauntings. This episode delves into the proposition that what we frequently classify as supernatural experiences could, in fact, stem from interactions with alien civilizations, who possess an intrinsic ability to navigate realities beyond our comprehension. We explore the implications of telepathic connections as potential explanations for various paranormal occurrences, emphasizing that the typical human experience often obscures deeper truths. Through a serious and methodical examination, we endeavor to illuminate the intersection of telepathy, alien communication, and the nature of reality itself. Join us as we engage in this profound inquiry, challenging conventional boundaries and inviting listeners to ponder the enigmatic dimensions of existence.

Welcome to Deadly Departed, where the boundaries between the living, the dead, and the decidedly otherworldly are never as clear as they seem. In this episode, hosts Jock Brocas and Craig Weiler dive headfirst into the eerie intersection of hauntings, anomalous phenomena, and the ever-intriguing world of UFOs and aliens. Is what we sometimes consider to be ghostly activity actually evidence of extraterrestrial encounters? Could telepathy—long associated with the paranormal—also be a key to understanding alien communication?

Jock and Craig candidly discuss theories, share personal experiences, and debate whether phenomena like telepathic communication, dream encounters, and even possession might sometimes have “alien” explanations. They don’t claim to be experts in UFOlogy, but their fascination with unexplained phenomena leads them down thought-provoking rabbit holes—tackling everything from the science of telepathy to the anthropological role of psychic abilities in groups, and the limits of materialist science in explaining it all.

Get ready for a fly-on-the-wall conversation that veers from science to storytelling—as the hosts compare notes on strange sightings, debate the source of consciousness, and invite listeners to bring their own ghost stories and questions for future episodes. If you’re drawn to the mysteries that linger at the edge of science and spirituality, you won’t want to miss this one.

The discourse encapsulates an exploration into the intersection of telepathy and extraterrestrial phenomena, positing that telepathic communication is a common attribute among alien civilizations. The speakers, Jock and Craig, delve into the implications of such communication, suggesting that it may grant these entities a profound connection to realities that remain obscured to humanity. They further speculate on the nature of hauntings, proposing that what is often classified as paranormal activity may in fact be manifestations of alien interactions, where the boundaries between the spiritual and the extraterrestrial blur. Jock elaborates on the notion that telepathy could provide a means for these beings to engage with our reality, potentially explaining sightings and experiences attributed to UFOs or unidentified aerial phenomena, thus inviting listeners to reconsider conventional interpretations of the supernatural within a broader cosmic context.

Takeaways:

• The discussion on telepathy suggests it may be a common characteristic among extraterrestrial beings.
• The podcast explores the potential connection between UFO phenomena and alleged hauntings experienced by individuals.
• Listeners are invited to contemplate the nature of reality as influenced by telepathic communication from alien entities.
• The hosts emphasize the need for measurable evidence in parapsychology to validate experiences of anomalous phenomena.

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Episode Transcript

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The reason we would evenconsider aliens is because telepathy
is common in aliens.
That's absolutely.
That's just how we do this.
And the thing that comes alongwith telepathy is a very, very strong
connection to a part ofreality that normally is very subdued
for us.
Welcome to the Deadly Departedpodcast, where the veil between the

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living and the dead is just awhisper away.
I'm Jock, and along with mycolleagues in Paranormal Daily News,
we will be your guides throughthe shadowy realms of the paranormal
and the unexplained.
In each episode, we will diveinto the eerie and the enigmatic
with the help of today'sleading experts in parapsychology,
science and the supernatural,prepare to uncover the secrets that

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lurk in the dark and explorethe mysteries that defy explanation.
Let's embark on this journey now.
Good evening, good afternoon,good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
This is Jock here.
This is Deadly Departed.
I'm joined here with my verygood friend, PDN science editor Craig
Wyler.
And we have got just an interesting.

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We're not here to talk todayabout to teach you anything or to
share any research or anything.
We've got loads of that coming up.
We've got a big series comingup in the telepathy tapes.
We've got lots and lots ofstuff coming up.
We've got experts coming up,we've got Dr. Marjorie Woollacott
coming on, we've got otherexperts coming on.
So we're just going to have alittle part two conversation.

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So you're getting a bit ofinsight into your discussions, essentially.
So you're just going tolisten, you're going to nose in,
be a fly on the wall aboutsomething that we are not really
have much expertise in, butfind it interesting.
And this kind of be the parttwo of hauntings, right?
And we're bringing in thiswhole ufo, UAP phenomena.

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Now, as I say myself, I'm nota massive expert in that field.
I know a little bit of it.
I've been interviewed about itin the past in terms of spiritualism
and UFO and all that kind of stuff.
But I have a theory and I havea theory and I was many years ago,
I was a conference where thiswas part of the discussion.

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Part of my theory was that alot of some of the anomalous phenomena
that we put down in hauntingsor even possessions for that matter,
could essentially be alienphenomena, right?
Or UFO phenomena.
So that's what we're going tojump into, ladies and gentlemen.
Craig, what do you think?
It's.
It's really hard to tell.

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Of course, you know, a lot ofthis stuff is black, what I call
black box.
Yeah.
Which is you have thisphenomena, but the, the cause of
it isn't physical.
So there's no real easy way togo that caused this.
You just, you can't see thatreally clearly with it.
And so you, you know, you have.

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This is all in the mind, whichis a really, a really difficult place
to sort that sort of cause andeffect stuff out.
So we're in the same positionas the rest of the world.
We are speculating and it isas good as it's going to get.
Now, I find it interestingbecause if you watch something like

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Skinwalker Branch or some ofthe, you know, Ancient Aliens and
all these other pros, even,you know, the treasure hunting shows,
there always seems to be anelement of anomalous phenomena.
Something happens andimmediately people think, you know,
in these shows they can put itdown because they talk.

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Well, maybe it's aliens orit's UFOs or UAPs, whatever else.
But there's often people thathave experience.
Experiences.
If anybody's read ChrisBledsoe's book, was it Alien of the
Gods?
I can't remember.
Actually.
Alien of the Gods, it'sbrilliant books, phenomenal book.
Chariot of the Gods.
I don't know, I can't remember.
Actually I got it and I'velistened to it.

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It's brilliant.
And obviously he's experienceda lot of anomalous phenomena and
continues to experience it.
But there's other people outthere that have claim that they've
been abducted.
And I don't know if you've watched.
There's.
There's an Alien Shooters,Harry the Alien.
There's a show there on.

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I don't know if it's Netflixor something.
It's absolutely hilarious.
But they've actually taken alot of this phenomena of even a possessive
state or an abduction orlights and various anomalies and
things moving, and it kind ofdoes replicate as what people would
think would be a haunting.
So you have to ask yourself,are potentially hauntings not.

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Or the anomalous phenomena,could it, could it be coming from
UAPs, UFOs or this alien agenda?
Well, first of all, the show'scalled Resident Alien.
That's it.
I got Terrible Mind.
So this.
I'm just flying the wall, guys.
Like you're getting an insightlike where we just talk and can't
remember anything.

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Yeah, that's hilarious by.
Have you seen it?
Resident Alien.
Oh, yeah.
As soon as it comes out, boy,I'M right there.
It's brilliant.
I didn't want to watch it.
Joel got absolutely hooked onit and was like, yeah, I'll go watch
this.
It's hilarious.
And I'm like, nah, I'm justworking away, writing an article
as I normally do, or doingsome research.
And I kept on doing this overthe computer and then laughing, and

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I was like.
And then I got in there and Iwas gone.
Well, I tried to get my wifeinterested, and she.
She watched the first fiveminutes of the guy clowning around,
and it's like, nope.
I honestly, it is hilarious.
Now, see, a show like that,right, has got anomalous phenomena

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that happens.
They've obviously did the research.
And then, of course, you'vegot other shows with Skinwalker where
there's anomalous phenomenathat happens.
Yeah.
So the thing about the reasonwe would even consider aliens is
because, I mean, if you.
If you look in popularculture, telepathy is common in aliens.

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That's absolutely.
That's just how we do this.
And the thing that comes alongwith telepathy is a very, very strong
connection to a part ofreality that normally is very subdued
for us.
In other words, we have a lotof trouble piercing the veil, so
to speak.
Yeah.
And we may be in contact withalien civilizations that don't have

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that problem.
They easily contact thatbeyond the veil, as we'll call it.
And so what looks to them tobe normal is for us, a.
Either a spiritual or a veryanomalous experience.
But for them, it's just.
That's how reality works.
So we can end up with thissituation where we attribute supernatural

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things to what's actually analien presence and them just doing
their thing.
And this is where it wouldeven, you know, sometimes in hauntings,
you would, you know, you wouldask, you know, psychological profiling
of the individual.
And they're having any dreams,are they having any particular feelings
and things?
And you see in some of thesecases, and a lot of these abduction

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cases, there's an element ofvivid dreaming.
There's an element of even aprecognitive dream.
And again, that comes fromwhat is claimed to be a telepathic
connection from these beings.
And if you look at somethinglike resident alien, you see, you
know, the woman there, she goto sleep, and then all of a sudden
she's dreaming and she's.

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She's kind of then evicted outof her body.
You've got this whole OBE experience.
And all of this phenomena thatwe normally attribute to spiritual
hauntings could actually justbe this Alien agenda.
Well, that's interesting.
As you're, as you're talking,I'm remembering from the, for the

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New Age movement a long time ago.
This, we're talking like 90s.
So this is, this is a verylong time ago.
But I remember having thisdiscussion with some people that
I thought was reallyinteresting, which is that when you're
in the presence of somebodywho really is strongly telepathic,

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spiritual, what have you,you're going to pick up on it, there's
going to be some bleed through.
So that if unless you'recompletely shut off to this sort
of thing, their presence willhelp you experience it just for them
being there.
In other words, we're talkingabout a field effect.
So just being within thatfield effect of having a connection

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with people who are superspiritual, suddenly that spiritual
world is more clear to you.
Now this is something thatpeople experienced during the New
age movement was they'd havesomebody come in that was, you know,
very spiritual and everybodysuddenly became a bit more clear
because they were, they got,they had a connection to that person.
Now imagine if thatspirituality was dialed up to 11

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and now you're in contact with somebody.
This is way beyond what younormally encounter.
Yeah, there's going to be somesupernatural stuff going on and you
don't even have to see them.
There just has to be a connection.
It's interesting because inthe work I've done over the years
in mediumship and even when weare teaching the connection, I've

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always taught, my wife hastaught, we taught in our church that
it was a mind to mind connection.
We taught that it was atelepathic connection and that telepathy,
which is something that.
We're going to jump in a lotmore from the telepathy tapes.
We've got a whole big seriescoming up about that.
But this is kind of, this is interesting.
This is partly a haunting typeexperience as well.

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We always used to teach orexplain our students that the way
that we communicate withspirit, the way that we communicate
on the other side or the waythat is a telepathic connection.
It's a mind to mind connectionis what we would say.
And so a lot of this phenomenathat you have from aliens or whatever
you want to call them or label them.

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And I mean I'm not really intothis whole galactic, stellar, planetary,
the whole consciousness isgetting run by alien agent.
I'm very academic.
There has to be evidence,there has to be a pattern for it
for me.
But there is a lot of telepathy.
There's a Lot of examples anda lot of the phenomena that happens

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from dreams, dream states,from them, even hearing voices, starting
to communicate.
And so here's the other thing.
Are we pathologizing?
Does psychology, doespsychiatry pathologize something
that, that we would see as ahaunting or a mystical experience

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wrongly, when it couldactually be a UFO type alien presence?
You see, you hear a lot ofthese people that have seen, even
seen UFOs and it's been loadsand loads of TV shows.
I don't know if you, I can'tremember some of the, some of the
ones that I've watchedrecently, but TV shows where they
will have an experience wherethey're viewing, they're viewing

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a particular UFO and they hearthings or they feel like they get
a connection, they feel likethey're being downloaded information
and it kind of makes sense.
And I think that's the sameway if you look at the TV show on
ancient aliens, they'vecovered that so many different ways

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that maybe we are ignorant tothe fact that the real way to communicate
is through this mind to mind,this telepathic ability and the.
We're like ancientcivilization utilizing our vocal
cords and our mouths.

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You know, I have talked topeople who, who claimed to have been
like one woman was describing,she was sitting back in a hot tub
and had this suddenly feltinformation just like coming from
this alien presence that shehad been in contact with.
And she just felt like I'm,you know, this is being downloaded,

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I just need to relax.
Yeah.
So yeah, I mean people havehad these experiences.
See, I'm still skeptical ofthat though, unless it has evidence
for me.
Is this because anybody cansit back, I'm getting downloaded
information?
I've met people who haveclaimed they've got downloaded information
from aliens or from angels andit doesn't add up.

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And there's no evidence to it.
And anybody can say anything.
And this is the problem thatwe have in parapsychology and science
is that we need something thatwe can measure.
There has to be an element ofexperience, lived experience, looking
at how someone experiences.

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But there has to be.
And this is where we'remissing it out.
And so even with this UFOphenomena or even with these, these,
these claims of downloads orwhat's happening in a haunting situation,
there's needs to be a measure,there needs to be some kind of evidence.
For me, where so many peopleclaim they're channeling.
So, and this is anotherepisode, just channeling and trance

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for me are two different things.
And I can argue to the cowsCome home.
Because when you've seen realtrance and you see channeling, the
channeling is just, it's notthe same.
And so I would say people thatkeep saying they got downloads and
this is another thing thatdrives me nuts is they hear continual
ringing in their ears.
This might be a new age thing.

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And the ringing in their ears,and they're getting spiritual downloads
and there's this wisdom coming through.
And let's face it, it'stinnitus because I've got constant
ringing in my ears and it'sfreaking tinnitus.
And I ain't getting anydownloads from any aliens or angels
or anything else.
And when I hear spirit, I hearit completely differently.
It's not a big whine.

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So there has to be, we have totry and get to the bottom of trying
to get some kind of measured,being able to measure the experiences,
to be able to understand it better.
Well, from my standpoint, Ihave a slightly different take on
that in that I view theseexperiences from an anthropological
point of view, which is to saythat I neither try to confirm or

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deny them.
I just kind of make a note,okay, this is what they said.
This is how this was for them.
Okay, thank you.
And I don't pass any judgmenton it.
That's just it.
I'm terrible.
You're not going to, you'renot going to be able to verify?
No, I mean, I accept it.
I don't, normally, I don'tturn around and say to them like,
that's crap.

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Or, you know, I don't believe that.
But in my mind, it drives me nuts.
That's completely understandable.
I just, for my, for my part, Ijust, it's, it's, it's the area where
I just kind of blank out andgo, okay.
They say they have that experience.
Okay, that's fine.
And then that's as far as it goes.
I, I, I typically don't try tomake anything of it because there's

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nothing, there's nothing donewith it.
You know, when you have thissort of situation, you go, eventually
you get to the point where yousay, what am I going to do with this?
And the answer is nothing,Nothing, not a thing.
So there's no reason, there'sno reason to pass judgment on it.
There's no reason to, to thinkabout it anymore.
You just make a note of it andmove on.

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Maybe somebody else will saythe same thing.
Maybe multiple people say that.
If enough say it, maybethere's something to it.
I think, here's the thing.
There are People then do haveexperiences and they do get these
downloads.
But there is a pattern that issomething that's there.
There seems to be a qualityto, or you know, say qualia to the

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experience.
And there's probably warrantsfurther investigation because what
they're experiencing is like ajigsaw pattern.
It's starting to come togetherand there's a story, it's like a
storyboard, there's something there.
And this is where I think thatwe need to kind of blend what we

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can measure and what weexperience in some way of getting
that type of thing.
Because it's all very well andgood as just taking on board.
And yes, we can take theseexperiences on board, but also I
think there's a danger to itbecause then it kind of leads people
up a garden path and not thewrong, wrong sense of security, if
you like, or misunderstanding things.

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I think there has to be anelement where, and this is perhaps
maybe where we build bridgesbetween parapsychology and materialist
science, which we've tried foryears and is very difficult to do.
It is.
And I think one of theproblems of trying to get parapsychology
in with the spiritual group isfirst of all, anybody with an ego

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that gets flattened.
Parapsychology flattenseverybody's egos.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Because that, you know,parapsychology is where you actually
have to have measurableresults and talk just won't do it.
And you know, in any sort ofspiritual environment there's a certain
percentage of people who areego driven.
Oh, massive.

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Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Sometimes it's a lot of them,sometimes it's a few, depending on
the group.
But there are people who havemassive egos and they, once you start
measuring things, they shut up.
You know, it's interestingbecause I think as well is that we

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don't really, inparapsychology, we don't really look
so much in UFO phenomena.
There's not a great deal about it.
We don't, you know, obviouslywe're measured.
You know, there's the psiexperiences, mystical experience
that we take on board.
But should there be an elementof parapsychology that is focused
primarily on anomalousphenomena from what is claimed a

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UFO experience?
Because even a near deathexperience, one could argue that
that's even potentiallycontrolled by some kind of UFO or
UAP or whatever you have from it.
So we don't really have a lotof that in parapsychology.
There's not a great deal of it.

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And I think.
Do you think it's Somethingthat should be seriously taken on
board.
Well, I mean, there is.
There is a bit of UAP workwithin parapsychology.
It kind of.
Yeah, it's not a lot, though.
Very little.
Yeah, there was a.
There was a parapsychologymeeting that I attended where that

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was the focus of it.
They.
They were, they brought insomebody who was.
Who talked about their.
Their area with the UAPs.
But of course, with UAPs, youalways run down to the.
You know, we have this pictureof this.
We've got some video of that,but there's never the 100%.
Everybody's absolutely sure of it.

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Smoking gun.
No, exactly.
That's part of the UAP process.
And I think part of this isthat if you're using telepathy, they're
relatively easy to contact.
I don't think anybody's everhad much trouble contacting the alien
presence with telepathy.

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I know people make a big dealabout, oh, they're contacting me.
But my opinion is that doesn'tseem to be very unusual or difficult,
that they probably always gotsomebody on the switchboard just
waiting for somebody tocontact them, and they say, hey,
we're here.
I have in my mind's eye now,like, I'm seeing these two aliens

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in a spaceship, you know,talking in this alien language, going,
yeah, there's one of them down there.
They're trying to put athought out.
Let's tune in.
Let's see what they want, you know.
Yeah, I actually think thatthere's some of that going on.
I do as well.
You put a signal out there.
Yeah.
I mean, have you ever, haveyou ever seen.

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Have you ever seen a UAP or ufo?
I have not.
But if I reach outtelepathically, they're there.
They're just, like, waiting,like, hey, hello.
And I've come to theconclusion that, you know, they're
there.
How do I know it's an alien presence?
It's really interestingbecause with telepathy, one of the

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things about it is when youconnect with another person, you
get all of them.
You get the.
The whole person.
When you connect withsomebody, you don't just get, like,
a thought like, here I am,let's talk about physics or something.
You get all of theirpersonality there, including all
their fears and everything else.
And so people.
So within our area, withinhumans, we all have a certain type

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of makeup that always has acertain amount of fear running in
the background.
Everybody.
We've all got fears going backand forth.
You connect with one of themand that's gone.
You.
You get this presence thatjust feels to us like they're clear
as a bell.
There's.
There's none of the dramagoing on in the background and that's.
That.
That is a difference that.

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That's really, really visiblewhen you connect that way.
So this is.
This is something for meinternally that I pick up.
There's no way that I couldshare that with somebody or communicate
it any other way.
But that's how.
That's how I personally know.
It's this.
There's no fear there.
Have you had personaltelepathic experiences yourself?

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Yeah.
Yeah.
Like I said, I don't thinkthey're that unusual or difficult.
I know, I know from me andJoe, we've had loads.
We've had loads of telepathicexperience and I think every medium
they're worth, you know, their salt.
Is that how they'recommunicating essentially, is telepathically?
Yeah, it's nothing special.

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No.
You know, we've got these kidsfrom the telepathy project that are
telepathy tapes that are justoff the charts.
But the actual telepathyitself, that's not.
That's not that unusual.
Their.
Their ability to manage.
Manage it clearly is.
Is unusual.
But the fact that it exists,it's out there all the time.

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We're always picking up andsending thoughts constantly.
We're like these hugereceivers and senders all the time.
So it's not that unusual.
You know, that's.
And that's the thing where interms of any particular hauntings
or any of these anomalousexperiences, perhaps there is an

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answer to be found intelepathy to the anomalous experiences
that happens because thereseems to be a great deal of that
and it goes way beyond theZener cards and goes way beyond kind
of your telepathic games andthings like that.
I think there's a lot more to it.
And it's interesting withRupert Sheldrake's experiences, with

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his research.
And I mean, we're.
Okay, we're kind of jumpingoff of what we.
Obviously, the haunting sideof things.
But it is.
It is so interesting that whatwe think is unusual is fairly normal.
And a lot of hauntings or alot of anomalous phenomena could

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be put down to alien agenda,alien communication.
And also it makes you thinkthat even in our communications,
in our dream states could betelepathically linked, some of these.
And we're going to do a bigseries on telepathy tapes.

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We've got lots of differentdiscussions that we're going to have
on there.
But I don't think we're toofar away from.
I think there's an important scientific.
Actually thinking about it.
There's actually a bigscientific blunder, really, when
it comes to it, because we'veargued for years and years about

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telepathy and differentanomalous experiences, yet it's really
our natural.
Is really our natural form.
It's our natural way of being.
Yeah, it is.
And you know, when they do.
When we do testing on that, ofcourse, what this comes out as is
that the psychics and the skitand the skeptics, I'm sorry, the

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believers and the skeptics areall psychic.
They just manifest it indifferent ways that you've got you.
You've got the people who arepsychic hitting their targets, and
you've got the skepticsmissing them.
And you can plot this on agraph which looks nothing like random
noise because you've got one.
One group.

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Well, skeptics are a lot ofrandom noise.
Well, yeah, yeah, I can'targue with that.
But you've got these peoplehitting, you know, hitting their
targets, and you've got toskip hitting their targets to a significant
degree.
And you've got skepticsmissing their targets to a significant
degree.
So everybody's psychic there.

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Everybody's.
It's just they're.
They're putting it out differently.
And to a certain extent,they're canceling each other out,
which suggests that there's a.
You know, there's a greatersystem going on there.
Rather than just people ingeneral, you know, rather just individuals,
we're actually forming larger groups.

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And when it comes to stuff like.
Like hauntings and whatnot,the larger group can actually be
directing, have certainmembers of it who are better at connecting
to hauntings, which may be asurvival thing.
Who knows?
And what way.
What do you mean?
Explain that in.
In terms of the hunting.

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So if you have people thatform groups, let's say a tribe, that
tribe will generally have awhole bunch of different.
Different personalities withinthe tribe.
And if you go to anothertribe, they'll also have a whole
bunch of differentpersonalities, and they'll all kind
of come out to the same typesof groupings where you've got people.

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You don't end up with a tribewhere everybody's good at one thing.
You end up with a tribe wherepeople kind of spread out and have
different personalities anddifferent skills and different abilities,
different ways of thinking,and the combination of those makes
a good tribe when that's.
That's more likely to be successful.
So just at the fringe of thetribe, about 1 or 2% of the people

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will be able to sensehauntings and dark places and whatnot
and away from them.
Oh, yeah, I think everybody,like everybody.
Well, I've always saideverybody has, has a sensitivity.
Yeah, but, but, and somepeople have it more.
It's like, it's like somepeople can play Chopsticks on the
piano, but another person canplay Bach's symphony.

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Yeah.
What I'm asking here is tolook at this as a tribe that not
everybody needs to besensitive in a tribe, you just need
a few people who are sensitiveand everybody else needs to believe
them.
The problem is, though, isthey don't.
And this is, this is.
And it's interesting because Idon't want to jump on because as
I said, we've got a big serieson a bit in part the telepathy tape.

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They talk about.
A prerequisite is the beliefin them and the belief in these kids
because it allows it, youknow, and have it.
And that's true.
I mean, really, even if you'redeveloping mediumship, developing
psychic ability, there's anelement where you have to know you
can do it and be unequivocalwith it.
Instead, the minute youquestion it kind of deteriorates

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the, the, the potential hitrate or the, your ability because
you can, it's like imposter syndrome.
You can have a skill, but thenyou, you falter a little bit.
I've been there myself, youknow, where I've, you know, I've
had a really good day.
You know, I'm sitting down andif I'm doing a sitting with someone
and I feel strong and beliefand knowing and everything else and

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it's, you know, everythingworks fine.
But there's these times whereif you falter a little bit, you have
a little bit question or youdon't believe in yourself or you're
having a bad day, then itdetracts from it.
So I get what you're saying.
And a lot of these, you know,this is what you need this in the
tribe.
But if you've got people inthere that are not believing in them,

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then obviously it's going toaffect them.
And this is an importantaspect of it is where does belief
and knowing come in to anytype of phenomena?
Well, it's a, it's a good question.
And I think, you know, I'mgonna beat this tribe thing to death
here.
So we used to live in smallertribes of about 100.

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Hey, we have a PDN tribe.
Right.
And when you have anenvironment like that where everybody's
grown up together, then, yeah,you, you have time.
Everybody has a chance tolearn how to trust everybody else.
Yeah.
And including the people withthe psychic skills, which, as I said,
they're about 1 or 2% of any.
Any given tribe, you'll havethese spiritual people.

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And so the tribe itselfsupports them from negativity so
that they can get their work done.
And so when we're havingmodern society, we don't have that
anymore.
Do you know actually where.
Where we've had.
If anybody's read my firstbook, Powers of the Sixth Sense,
I actually talk about this alittle bit because we talk about

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intuition and psychic abilityand how, you know, nine, 11 people
pick things up, you know.
But what I found there wasmany different because I'm ex military,
you can see here's my unit,there's a lot of.
And it's interesting you talkabout a tribe, right, because in
the military, in your barracksor in your unit, it is like a tribe.

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It's like a tribe.
And the people have differentexperiences, people have different
skills and everything else.
But interestingly, there's alot of examples of soldiers in battle
that almost pick up telepathicmessages and telepathic knowings.
I spoke once to Sergeant Majorwho was in a war zone in Iraq, and

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he.
He heard a voice, so atelepathic connection that told him
not to go down that.
And if he'd have went downthat route, he was going to get ambushed.
And it was all hell with breakloose, same as people.
I've talked to operators inNorthern Ireland and Kosovo and places
that.
Where they're not necessarilyclaiming that they're psychic or

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anything else, but in the heatof that battle, there's that tribal
where people are trusting.
I don't know what it is, butthey kind of believe in that leadership
or they believe in them.
The unit is so tight, it'slike you're saying it's tribal.
And there seems to be aheightened ability that they can
pick up telepathic informationthat's potentially saving their life.

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And that's essentially what myfirst book, Kingdom, was about, Powers
of the Sixth Sense.
Not that I'm trying to sell mybook on PDN or anything, but, you
know, Craig and I have bothwritten books.
We keep talking over each,over each other.
That has all the elements.
Yeah.
What you need for a psychicexperience, which is heightened emotion

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and a great need.
Need is.
Is important for psychicability to pop through, particularly
you Know, we have all ourfilters in place normally where we're
suppressing it so that we canget along with our lives.
But when it needs to comethrough, need is an important aspect
of it.
When you need it, not justwhen you want it, but when you need

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it badly, it tends to be therefor you.
But then there's people thatdon't need it but can switch it on.
Yeah, but for most people,most of the time, yeah, that's how
you get the volume.
That's how you get the game onpsychic ability and get it past the
filters is need.
You know, it's interesting aswell because I also think what is

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needed to develop it is silence.
And that was never, and I'vesaid this for years, and that has
never been truer sinceobviously listening to Kai talking
in the telepathy tapes.
Where was it?
John Paul, was it One of thekids had been had, had to go into

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silent.
They had to put the pillowsand everything over the head and
have total silence.
I remember turning around toJoe and says, this is what we need
for to have telepathicconnection with loved ones.
We need to heighten psychic ability.
We need silence.
And it's interesting becausein the Gansfield experiences, right,
it's not necessarily silencebecause they play that, you know,

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they play white noise or the,you know, that, that, that would
you call it the hip, whateverthe frequency that goes over, but
essentially is sensory deprivation.
And so, and this is what we'vealways said is that in developing
mediumship, development,psychic ability, there has to be
an element where you go intothe silence and that's where the
power exists.

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Yeah.
And this has, as I brought upin a previous article, that you'll
get.
You need to quiet certainparts of your brain, most of them
on the left side for the, forthat part of your brain to, to get
working, you need to beshutting off other parts.
So the.

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From, from, from brain scans,what they get is that psychic ability
is not lighting up the whole brain.
It's specific portions have tobe lit and other portions have to
dampen down.
And when you get the right mixthere, then you get relatively strong
psychic ability.
Do you think?
I know there's been examplesof this going back to the whole idea

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of, of hauntings and potentialUFO and anomalous phenomena from
ufo.
Do you think that someonewho's experienced a potential UFO
contact or abduction or comesback with her heightened abilities.

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It's entirely plausible.
And the reason is because ifyou are in the presence of somebody
who is forcing your brain todo things differently.
In other words, you'rebasically learning something new
and you're having thisexperience that you can't turn off,
that your filters aren't working.

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And you get past the pointwhere you're fighting it, which I
think is what happens withthese experiences.
You get past the point whereyou're fighting against it and you
begin to accept it.
Then your brain has basicallywired itself to be able to do this.
Now it knows what the patternis in your mind, in the brain itself,
the gray matter that it'slearned the pattern of how to do

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this.
And so once it ends it.
For example, let's say it'slike riding a bike.
Well, once you get done withthe experience, now you know how
to ride the bike, that kind of thing.
See, I, I look at it a littlebit differently where.
Okay, I don't reckon it comesfrom the brain and a lot of neuroscientists

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and they're going to freakinghit me for this.
But I believe the brain is anexpression of the mind.
It is a receiver.
And so I believe that our mindas the psychological building blocks
of our reality.
From formlessness we come form.
And so our connection or poweror psychic capacity exists there.

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And that from that the brainis then the receiver.
I don't think I could bewrong, but I feel that really or
innate power comes from our mind.
Which is why in telepathy withmind to mind connection.

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Because there's been examplesas well where there hasn't been a
brain yet.
Communication has existed andphenomena or experience has existed
from this.
So I kind of am more drawntowards it's the mind.
And then the brain becomes the receiver.

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It's an expression of that.
And so I don't believe ourpsychic ability exists in the brain.
I think it's allowed, it'sjust an expression.
So I would agree with that.
But no shit, I thought youwere going to come back to me.
I agree, but the brain is a receiver.

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But you have to tune the receiver.
Yeah, you do.
But I still believe that themind is the tuning forks.
So you have the mind that'scoming through the brain.
The brain is the filter.
You have to.
Filter?
Yeah, it's filtered.
It's receiving, it's filtered.
But I think you know, andthat's where it's, It's.
There's some tuning that hasto happen.

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You have to get.
But here's the thing.
Let's say I'm communicating.
I'm giving a reading for someone.
I'm giving a sitting for someone.
And I'M starting, and this isinteresting, right.
And I start to communicate.
I believe that I'm having thatmind to mind telepathic connection,
whereas it's not essentiallymy brain might get in the way and

(38:27):
be the filter that then if Iconnect into that, I may distort
a message.
So I need to be able todistribute, discern.
And I may have a bypass.
I need to bypass it or thatway because I don't, I essentially
think about it.
I don't want the brain to getinvolved because I want to have clear,
clean and concisecommunication from the mind to mind

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connection.
So I see the brain as a sieve.
That can be problematical.
Okay.
But remember when you're doingthis and you're trying to get in
the right frame of mind, youhave specific neural connections
that are happening in orderfor this tuning to work properly,
which means you have to.

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So what about the people thatdon't have the brain and can tune
in?
Look at Ian Gilchrist Research.
Dr. Ian Gilchrist.
So I mean, split brain phenomena.
I don't know what happens withedge cases, but most of us have brains.

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Is it apart from skeptics?
No, I'm only joking.
We don't.
We don't.
We know I put them down toomuch, but you know.
Yeah.
Have you ever ate brains?
I kind of never digressing.
Okay.
There are definitely edgecases where something different is
going on.
Yeah.
Because the mind is, is morethan the brain.
However, for most of us, mostof the time we have to use what we're.

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We have to use regular brain,which means we have to wire it properly
in order for these experiencesto occur.
Yeah, I get it and I do, and Iaccept it to a point, but I'm still
erring towards this wholeaspect of the mind.
But again, that's the excitingthing because for me as well, it's

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that big question.
From formlessness we became form.
And so from nothing we became something.
And yet I know that then thecommunications that we have on the
other side, be it aliencommunication, be it spirit communication,
be it activity within ahaunting experience that comes from

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there.
There is no brain involved.
Right.
And intelligent communicationscomes from where there's no brain.
And yes, I can see that wehave a brain and we felt.
This is going.
We're getting.
We could be on here for hours.
This is what happens, ladiesand gentlemen.
Craig and I get into it, wehave an idea and then we just.

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We're on all different thingsin subject matter.
So God knows what we're goingto title this Episode Rabbit hole.
This is the pdn Rabbit hole iswhat I'm thinking.
Yeah, that's about right.
It is, it is, it is.
It's phenomenal.
But you know, it is, it is.

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I find it fascinating and Istill have that I'd have met, you
know, when I was doing my,still in, I mean, final dissertation
year in my masters.
But when we get to thecognitive neuroscience and all that
kind of stuff, I foughtagainst this whole idea of everything
coming from the brain.
It was so hard for me fromthese experiences because people

(41:46):
that have near deathexperiences that have died and necessarily
the brain is not activating yet.
There's evidence, there's atrail, there's phenomena, there's
experience.
Yeah.
So this is where I think weneed phenomenological and epistemological.

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We need to blend everything inparapsychology and bring an element
of transpersonalparapsychology together because there's
so much we don't understandabout the brain and the mind.
I still obviously believe themind is an expression.
The brain is an expression ofthe mind.
Sorry.
Well, I mean, I wouldcertainly agree with that.

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The, all the evidence pointsto consciousness.
Consciousness being thefundamental thing that drives the
universe, not, not thematerial world.
In other words, the universeis more like a giant thought, less
like a giant machine.
So if you're using that model,then the brain is a filter.

(42:52):
Yeah.
And so you.
But it is not the creator of consciousness.
So a tv, for example, is notthe creator of the picture on the
screen.
All it's doing is it'sfiltering signals.
Filtering a signal.
Same within the military withthe radio waves and things like that.
We're filtering a signal.
Yeah.

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So you have to tune the tv.
The TV has to functionproperly for you to be able to interpret
the signal, but it's not thecreator of the signal.
And you know, as soon as weleave the bodies with, you know,
near death experiences andwhatnot, we experience reality completely
differently.
Yeah, I had a near deathexperience and reality was completely

(43:35):
just this.
And yeah, it's very strange.
And, and that's, that'sanother, another conversation.
Well, listen guys, we've comeup, you know, 45 minutes up to nearly
an hour.
So we're, we started off onHortons part two.
God knows what.
We're gonna, you know, talkabout this.

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But we've, we've got so muchking and I enjoy having these conversations.
So you're having a fly in the wall.
Look at how some things we gofrom one end of the road to the other,
which can be very entertaining.
But I'm going to finish offwith this because I think maybe we
can share a little story.
Have you.
Have you ever.
Have you ever seen objectivelya ghost?

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Have I?
Yeah.
No, I have not.
Something about me just.
It's.
It's not.
I'm not one of the hauntedpeople is referred to in the book
Ghosted.
That's.
That's not me.
I'm on Planet Practical.
The.
The world doesn't seem to beall that strange for me.
I have.
And so did.

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And so did my wife.
And I'll tell you a little story.
It was really weird.
We were at friend's house andjust outside Inverness from.
We used to live in a placecalled Abriachen and we were going
down for.
For dinner and Sherlyn Ian'shouse and Joe and I went there for
dinner one evening.
We're coming back and you canjust imagine this from the Scottish

(45:00):
Highlands.
And it's misty and it's darkand there's moonlight coming through.
And Joe and I were drivingdown the road.
I was driving the car at thetime and all of a sudden I see this
figure and Joe sees at thesame time steps out.
I hit the brakes and it's gone totally.

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The interesting thing was thatthere had been a car accident.
We found this later on when weinvestigated that actually been a
cat.
There'd been a death on that road.
And so what we explained as aghost or we saw it objectively, both
of us at the exact same time.
She saw it, I saw it, slammedon the brakes, there was nothing

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there.
Wow.
Yes.
We shall leave you with thatstory, ladies and gentlemen.
And if you've got any storiesthat you want to share with us on
Deadly Departed, maybe Craigand I will get you on for a discussion
because we're easy.
If you've had a ghost storyand you want to tell us, we're not
going to get you on and go runthe whole parapsychology.

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We're just going to listen toyour story.
That would be interesting.
But of course, if you've gotany questions for us on Telepathy,
anything else.
As I say, Craig and I, we'vegot loads of stuff coming up from
the Telepathy tapes.
We're going to have the wholeseries on the Telepathy, which you're
really excited about.

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And then we'll have somepeople that have been involved in
it on our show as well.
It will be chatting to them.
Craig's working on somearticles and things at the moment.
I'm Also going to be workingon a few things.
But also we're not experts inUFO stuff.
Right.
Craig and I are the firstpeople to hold our hands up.
We don't, you know, so if anyout there are experts and you know,

(46:52):
you, you've written books oryou would maybe like to join us in
PDN and become a UFO UAPexpert then, then we would love to
talk to you and, and have youon board with us because we can only
talk about it from ourexperiences, from what we know, which
is very little.
And we would certainly loveto, to have you guys on board.
And just remember as well,guys, you can come and join us in

(47:14):
our very private community.
Some great, very high, highlyrespected parapsychologists and experts
on there for conversations.
We've got some master classesthat are coming up very soon as well.
Lots of things happening asPDN develops, as our journal develops,
as PDN books comes out.
We'd love to get you all involved.
So Craig, this was somewhat interesting.

(47:38):
We went from one oneexperience to another.
Started off on UFOs, wentthrough telepathy and ended up on
a ghost story.
That works for me.
So guys, join us again.
Craig and I, we've got someother, you know, if you've listened
to this and you haven'tlistened to Craig and I on other

(48:01):
episodes then please go and do that.
Also catch up on the episodethat I just did with Matt Colburn.
Great.
We did.
There's a three part of thework and stuff.
Matt Colburn, someone that Istudied with as well at university.
Phenomenal book, great book.
And we've got lots of peoplecoming up.

(48:22):
Also we have one announcementand this is something Craig and I
have been worked on for quitea while.
Dr. Barry Taf, who is as aworld renowned parrot, was leading
parapsychologist, was wellknown back in the day.
We have finally Craig and Ihave signed as well as Lloyd over

(48:43):
by.
We have got an agreement withDr. Baritaf.
We will be keeping inParanormal Daily News.
We will be keeping his, hislegacy running.
We will be publishing all ofhis stuff from the past in Paranormal
Daily News.
So there is lots and lots andlots of research.
There's lots of stories.
He was involved in the entity case.

(49:05):
There's so much involved thatwe will be keeping that legacy alive
and also republishing hisbooks within pdn.
Yeah, should be exciting.
Well, that's been something wehave been working on for a while
actually and we're glad tohave Barry involved with us in PDN

(49:25):
as well.
So Anything else you want toadd, Craig, to finishing off?
It's, it's interesting.
Barry apparently kept reallygood notes during his time.
So what?
He was basically a poltergeistinvestigator in the greater Los Angeles
area for decades.
And, and so he ended upfinding some of them and kept very

(49:49):
good notes on them and hasmany stories from that.
So that's, that'll be veryinteresting to.
To go through his notes.
They at one point look likethey were completely lost.
And I'm happy to hear thathe's in possession of them.
Yeah.
And we shall be getting thesepublished and indexed and out there

(50:13):
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You've got any questions, ifthere's anything you want us to talk
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All right.
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It.