Wonderland: Blood on Laurel Canyon (Episode 166)

In the seedy underbelly of 1980s Los Angeles, a faded porn legend, a brutal drug gang, and a Hollywood mansion became the center of one of the city's most grisly and mysterious mass murders.

John Holmes—once the king of adult film—was broke, addicted, and desperate. When he crossed paths with the Wonderland Gang, it set off a chain of violence that would leave four people bludgeoned to death in what LAPD called "the most savage crime scene they'd ever seen."

But was Holmes a pawn… or a player? Find out this week on Death in Entertainment.

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Episode Transcript

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He had a mustache that could hypnotize, let's just say gift
that made him a legend and a life so messy it makes Tiger
King look like Mr. Rogers. This week we're diving deep into
the rise and very, very hard fall of John Holmes.
Porn icon, drug mule, maybe evenmurderer.
He went from the king of adult film to a coked out errand boy

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in one of L as grizzliest and most confusing massacres, the
Wonderland Murders. Think Boogie Nights.
Meet CSI but with more blood, more blow, and fewer brain
cells. Strap in or on, it's about to
get weird. That's today on death in
Entertainment. Live from Los Angeles 911 What

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is your emergency here in Hollywood now?
2 counts of murder, injury and death.
Oh my God. Shocking new details that has
stung the entertainment world. This makes me a little nervous.
The hair stood up on my arms just like in the movies.
What do? You call this thing anyway
death? Entertainment.

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Readings Dead O Universe. What's up?
How's everybody doing? My name is Kyle Plouffe.
I'm Ben Kissel, and today I cannot wait to bring you this
story. Oh, it's a long one, just like
the man's penis. John Holmes and the Wonderland
Murders. Before we get into it, I do want
to say some of the nicknames forJohn Holmes because they are the

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single greatest nicknames any man could ever have.
Although he might be one of the worst people to ever claim to be
a man. Yeah, my favorite because his
penis is so large. They called him the reverse
birth. Wow, the reverse birth isn't
that amazing. Big John.
Big John, obviously common Long John.

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Wod. Can't go wrong with that.
The Duke of Wod and another one of my favorites, John Footlong.
Isn't that cool? Also, Dennis Rodman, move over
because we got Wodzilla in town.And of course, the sheriff of
Grottingham. Oh man, isn't that amazing?
His Wikipedia page has an entirechapter just dedicated to penis

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size. Isn't that great, but it's not
negative. Yeah, it's like 1313 inches,
something like. That they said 13 1/2 inches.
One person said that it goes as long as 16 inches.
He's definitely a grower and a shower.
But a person named Bill Amerson says that he saw John measure
himself many times and it was 131/2 inches with a head the size

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of an apple. Wow.
That's very top heavy. But he didn't use it as the
weapon in the Wonderland Murders, right?
He used this as a weapon in manyother ways.
Anyway, John Holmes and the Wonderland Murders.
Let's get into it. Without further ado, let's get
into the Johnny Wadcast. Whoa.

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So before Wonderland, before Johnny Wad, before the blood and
betrayal, Oh, there was just a boy from Ohio.
Isn't that nice? Yeah, the Midwest does grow the
big dongs. They really do.
Do they? Yeah.
It's a Hardy bunch. John Curtis Estes, that was his
original last name. OK.
He was born August 8th, 1944 in Pickaway County, Ohio.

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Wow. It's a poor rural area.
Yeah, Pickaway. It sounds like Scabby Town.
Yeah. It's very methy.
Right Pickaway. That's definitely the after or
the before picture on every before and after billboard,
hopefully regarding recovery, yeah.
His childhood was very unstable,his father was an alcoholic and

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he abandoned the family early on.
You tell me a porn star had an unstable childhood?
Yeah, I don't think so. It's weird that a male porn star
would have an unstable childhood.
You'd think. Like it's just the line of work
every guy wants to go into is just fuck a bunch of chicks on
camera. Absolutely not.
Yeah, though I can't even think of a worse destiny for me.
Yeah, Oh my Lord. I would be absolutely
embarrassed. A bunch of loose skin flying

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around, no one happy. Yeah.
I think that the emotions that take someone into porn for both
men and female are the same. You know, because they want to
be loved. They want to be seen.
And what's the most superficial way to get somebody to love you?
It's to fuck. Them.
Yeah, that's true. His mother remarried multiple

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times, and some say John's earlylife taught him how to survive
and how to lie. OK, I believe that.
He was the youngest of four children born to 26 year old
Mary June Holmes. Nice.
But the name of his father, railroad worker called Estes,
was left blank on the birth certificate.
Well, isn't that interesting 'cause he went on to be a rail
worker in his own room, hey? Mary married Edgar Harvey Holmes

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and that's how he got his name. OK, last name, this guy.
She married and divorced him three separate times.
Dude, there was a family that did that in my hometown of
Stevens Point, and I think the fourth marriage stuck.
Yeah, I it's kind of. Cute.
It's like they're renewing theirdivorce instead of renewing
their vows. Exactly, they got married April
13th 1936, August 13th 1945 and September 12th, 1947.

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So that spans a lot of years. It really does.
And at what point do you get thewedding invitation and just say,
no, I'm not traveling anymore, I'm done?
Well, what? At what point do you get asked
to be married by the same guy and you say no?
Right. Or is the third wedding the
absolute best because all they do is a keg of beer and a couple
of lunchables? Because, you know, this might be

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another temporary engagement. Right when they first got
married, Edgar was 34 years old and already divorced, but from
someone else, and Mary was 17. Oh, OK.
Yeah, but on the younger side. So in 1960, Holmes left the home
at age 15 and enlisted in the United States Army.
Well. Thank you for your service.
Memorial Day week. Absolutely.

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I mean it's really interesting when you go in and say Sir, I
want to be an army man and they say you don't look big and
strong enough for not for us. And then you drop Trow and they
say, Sir, you're exactly what we're looking for.
You are the weapon. Yep, we'll give you 2 helmets.
He needed his mother's written permission to go off to war, so
that's crazy. My mom never would have given
it. Benjamin staying home.

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Absolutely. I went through a phase.
I've told people I wanted to be a police officer for like 6
months and she's like, have you thought about something safer
immediately? Yeah, you can get shot anyway.
That's true. You can get shot anywhere.
Yeah, he spent most of the threeyears of his military service in
West Germany in the Signal Corps.
OK. And he got honorably discharged
in 1963. And that would not be his first
discharge. Hey, then he moved to this town

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Los Angeles, CA. Am I just gonna get a bunch of
A's tonight? Hey, what is this?
What is this reaction? Feel like I'm, I'm, I'm doing
the the Jersey circuit. Hey, the Poconos is gold.
He worked a variety of jobs, including selling goods door to
door and tending the vats at a coffee nips factory.

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What's a What are coffee nips? They are nipples tasting like
coffee. Really.
I don't know, coffee nips. No, I think it's like small
coffees. I mean that does sound like a
New Jersey breastfeeding be likeNah.
My kid likes his cigars and his his coffee nipples taste like
coffee. During his stint as an he was an
ambulance driver after this. Oh, thank you.

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He met a nurse named Sharon Gabini in December 1964, and
they married on August 21st, 1965 in California after Holmes
turned 21. He made an honest lady out of
her. Yeah.
OK, and then, you know, we got more entendres here.
In April 1965, Holmes found workas a forklift driver at a meat
packing warehouse. Isn't that amazing?

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And he saved the company so muchmoney because they didn't need a
forklift. Just let me look at some porno.
I'll lift that stack of wood foryou.
I'll pack that meat indeed. However, repeated exposure to
the freezing air in the large wok in freezer after being
outside inhaling the desert hot air caused him severe health
problems. You would think the freezer with
all the cold air would be refreshing and kind of nice.

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Yeah. And then you go right out into
the desert air and it led to collapsed lungs on three
separate occasions during the two years he worked there.
I had no idea that was possible.So the temperature change being
that quick caused his lungs to. Just shit the bed.
Yeah, I guess we were. Discussing this with my candle
disaster of this week. For those that just listen to OK
bud. You know I was trying to boil

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some candles to get that wax smell cause the Wicks didn't go
all the way to the bottom. It turned out I added a little
bit too much water, the whole thing exploded it and the glass
cracked. So is it similar to adding cold
water to hot glass? That's exactly what it is.
Interesting. Yeah, See, that's why I did
that. So I have more expertise on this
show. Yes.
I'm not a moron. No, Sharon also had health

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problems during the first seventeen months of her marriage
to home. She miscarried 3 separate times.
Holy hell, once for every collapsed lung that he got.
They're matching. Oh, I wonder if the was it, was
it not going in the right tube? Maybe the the little embryo was
was stuck in her wrong tube. Oh his Dick so big at shooting

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past. Oh, that could be.
Or just damage the uterus so badit couldn't even hold on to
anything anymore. Also, perhaps we'll get into it.
Not sure, but this woman could really take a Dick.
I guess so, because a lot of people said holy hell when they
saw his penis. As a matter of fact, there was a
quote from one of the people saying when you fuck John

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Holmes, you're going to truly know if bigger is better.
Yeah, because a lot of people were like, no, no, no.
I never thought I'd say it. That's too much.
Yeah, I mean, a lot of girls do say that they're like the big
ones hurt, but yours is good. Well, yeah, that's a compliment.
That's nice. Yeah.
That's so nice. His special needs.
This is not not normal. Big, right?

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Yes. But that is a way for a woman to
tell you have a small penis. Do the tongue work, boys?
Yeah. So in the late 1960s, he's like,
all right, my lungs are exploding.
Her uterus is exploding. Everything is going wrong.
Let's let's get some different work here.
Let's get something stable, likepornography.
Yeah, well. Even worse than that, at this
point it's he got work as a nudemodel.

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See, that's not bad. Well.
What are the use cases for nude models?
It's like literally you go into an art class and people just
draw you nude. You could probably get 100 bucks
a class. And that's it.
Is there any other nude model? I guess just like being in the
background of parties or something.
Porno. Well, yeah, obviously.
And then, yeah, you have your artistic, you know, college
classes, right? Yeah.

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Yep, Yep. That's about it, I guess.
True. I mean, what if you became a
statue, like the statue of David, right?
Also, the statue of David would look a lot different if it was
John Holmes, I'll tell you that.Yeah, there wouldn't be as many
macaroni pubes. It'd be all hog.
Exactly, people hitting their heads on the bottom of his shaft
just being like can you fucking raise that thing please?

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So then he enters the adult filmindustry from the nude model
world. Proper segue.
He he got in during its earliestdays and that's when it was very
underground. People were, you know, really
doing it, getting sick. Right.
You know, a lot of a lot of things were going.
On yes, and that is 1 area wherethe adult industry has

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definitely gotten better. A lot of STD's, a lot of AIDS, a
lot of different viruses. And now my understanding of the
people that I know in the biz, they get tested more than the
athletes get tested for steroids.
Oh, absolutely, yeah. So that that is good.
So in 1970 we have the rise of Johnny.
Wad, yes, we do. Again, also known as the Wizard

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of Wad, the human tripod, John CWad.
There's a lot of them. Also my favorite, John Duvall.
There's just one named John Duvall.
I like that. Yeah, it's just a dude.
It's like, out of all of these, there's another one.
Eve's Burden isn't that amazing?But John Duvall, that really

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stands out. I like that.
So yeah, he created the character of Johnny Wad for the
film Johnny Wad. Wow.
Johnny Wad starred in Johnny Wad, produced and directed by
Johnny Wad. Directed by Bob Ginn.
No kidding. The film becomes probably.
Where a lot of ladies got the Johnny wad a put on their chin.

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The film becomes a huge hit overthe next few years.
Chin and Holmes, they become a aduo.
I love that. And it's a series of
pornographic detective films. Johnny Wad I?
Love it. What are some of the cases?
Do we know the case of stolen pussy?
Yep, yes, indeed. This is the missing asshole.

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In the case of the old throat tickler, you better find him and
find him quick. Yeah, turns out it was me the
whole time. They're part porn, part noir
crime thriller. I love that.
The character becomes an icon inthe golden age of adult cinema.
Absolute. This is when porno had class
panache. Storylines.
Yeah, they try with the storylines now.

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But much like Hollywood, it's all based on IP.
It's all about The Smurfs. It's all it's all about Winnie
the Pooh. Come on, give me something
fresh, give me something new. I don't want to watch star fuck,
I want to watch something that'sunique.
Right, there's one of the scariest things I've ever seen
on YouTube. It's the all non sexual scenes
of a German Beavis and Butthead porno.

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Oh, that's how I've seen the clip so.
Terrifying. Does anyone actually, and this
is for the chat, this is commentOK, bud, [e-mail].
I know this is that's an entertainment, but we're
brothers. Has anyone ever jerked off to
one of those like because, or isit just for novelty?
Right, because the Beavis and Butthead is disturbing.
There's a Simpsons one too that's like Spanish.
Yes, The Simpsons one is disturbing.

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Anytime you have an animated group of characters come to life
literally all over each other, Iwant to know if someone's
actually jerked off to it, please let us know.
So Holmes is marketed based on his unusually large penis,
rumored though exaggerated to be13 inches. 13 1/2 inches my

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friend. That's that's what they say.
Good Lord, and he develops a massive following.
Yeah, I believe it. I wonder how many of them were
men? Oh, I'm sure a ton, Right?
Yeah. I mean, borderline homosexual.
Like Vince McMahon used to just love physique magazines and
physique competitions and stuff.It's like it's about the kind

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of. Adoration of it.
He loves bodies. I was dude.
It's been fantastic. I've been watching Superstars
from the early 90s on Peacock, and Vince McMahon is talking
about WBF, which is the World Bodybuilding Federation, and
he's pushing these magazines, right?
And he talks about bodies and males bodies.
I do believe that he does have that in him.

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Yeah. He loves, he just loves bodies.
It's it's really interesting. Let me see the muscles, boy.
He loves it, yeah. So he becomes one of the most
prolific adult film actors of all time.
He appeared in over 500 films. Good for him.
Wow, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of Rd. rash.
It is. Damn.
The notable films he was in was The Danish Connection, which is

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him just fucking pastries or something.
Yeah, I was gonna say, it soundspretty Top Chef cheese Danish.
I love that. Well, I mean, even if it's a
Raspberry Danish, it'll be cheese at the end.
The Jade Pussycat from 1977. That's good.
It's kind of a fun name. Jade Pussycat.
Definitely a mystery. Definitely sounds like a
mystery. His image helps drive the

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success of adult movies during what is now called the golden
age of porn. Like I said, yes exactly.
So I mean this. Is the golden age?
Is this technically the golden age of cinema?
As well. Well cinema was early on like
that was like early Hollywood 40s and stuff.
Maybe before, around that time, yeah, when it's going from moot
like the silent to talkies. Right.

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And in this case, it's the monies.
Yeah, They also say his ejaculate volume was huge.
Oh yeah, you got to eat a lot ofcelery.
Yeah, not just the volume of films, but the actual come that
he could create. Really remarkable.
So 1977 and 1978 Holmes life begins to unravel.
Oh no, porno wasn't stable, damn.

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He was increasingly using cocaine and freebase.
That's the amazing thing that hestill had the voluptuous amount
of frothy cream and being able to stay hard.
Cocaine is not a get me hard drug, at least from my
understanding. No, you need to do like Viagra
with it. Usually, but they didn't have
the V back then, did they? No.
I don't think so. Wow.

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Yeah, so this guy was just doingit.
He just had to do it with his mind.
Sheer will. Unbelievable.
What a talent like Bo Jackson. He never practiced Bo No.
And nor did Holmes have to, no. But now he starts missing
shoots, he's becoming unreliableand his health is deteriorating.
And he's not that old at this time, right?
No. Maybe late 20s, early 30s, yeah.

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OK. Yeah, this should be your prime.
I know by 1978 most mainstream adult film producers won't even
touch him. Well, that's really the most
offensive thing you cannot do toa porn star.
They're not supposed to touch him anyway, they're not going to
hire him, and his marriage ends up going into flames too.
I do think it's a tricky thing. It's a tricky thing to be
married and do porn. A lot of porn stars have talked

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about how difficult their love life is.
Yeah, he was a man consumed by his own legend.
Holmes was now broke, desperate and spiraling into the shadows
of Los Angeles. I mean, the dude can get 20
bucks whenever he wants. Yeah, let's be honest, he's one
zipper away. Yeah, from 20 bucks at any time.
That's true, but enter the Wonderland Gang.

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They were small time players with big ambitions.
Based at 8763 Wonderland Ave. inLaurel Canyon.
All right, just watch her. Just listen to our Little
Rascals episode. We're done.
Yeah, they just sound like the Little Rascals have all grown up
and we're the Wonderland gang now.
The gang was made-up of four main members.

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That's a friend group. That's not a gang.
That's not a gang. Come on.
That's a handful of people. That is.
Yeah, Ron Launius. He's a violent ex-con and the
gang's cold blooded leader BillyDeverell.
He's Ron, second in command, more level headed.
Joy Miller was Billy's girlfriend and the leaseholder

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of the house they stayed at. OK, so she was the the one that
actually had her shit together. Yeah, she's got, she's on the
lease and she's like, hey, I'm in the gang too, right.
They're like, yeah, yeah, you. Thanks for the house.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Joy. Yes, Yeah, that's right.
And David Lind, he was a user, hustler and long time friend of
Ron's I. Don't like any friend group that
has delineated roles. Yeah, that is so lame.

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I'm the leader, guys. Like what?
What is happening? I thought we were just going to
Vegas. They sold drugs, mostly cocaine
and heroin, and partied hard. The Wonderland House was a 24/7
den of drugs, sex and criminal scheming.
I would love to be a family on the wall.
So here's the thing. We're going to the bank.
What if we're the money? We kidnap ourselves, you see.

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John Holmes began frequenting Wonderland, of course, because
he loves cocaine. Right, that'll do it.
And you know they have floors tosleep on it.
I was going to say he probably can rest there, yeah.
Yeah, at first he was just another hanger on trading
information for drugs. So that's the he's like, hey, I
got the word on the street. What's the word on the street?
You got any money? He's like now, but that guy was

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standing over there. Here's $5 now he for letting me
know that guy is oh, here's coke, $5 worth of cocaine, which
is just enough to keep him. Hooked.
Yeah, he started running errandsfor them.
He was a nice little task rabbit.
Wow. Errand runner that's not going
to be the errand boy you're you're the biggest porn star in
the world, right? And now you're Wonderland gangs

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errand boy you. Can just see him pole vaulting
down the high down down the sidewalk and like I gotta get
these blueberry muffins to the gang.
Gush gush gush. God it's like that Doc Ock
character from Spider Man Doc cock hey and boom goes the
dynamite. He also had something that
others didn't besides a huge hog.

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Right, of course. Access Through Holmes, the gang
was introduced to Eddie Nash, a wealthy nightclub owner with
serious criminal ties. Sounds like the Penguin.
And that's when everything beganto fall apart.
His name was Adel Nazrallah, andthat's that's he goes by Eddie
Nash. Oh, OK.
But it flows a little bit better.
Yeah, Adel doesn't really work. Adel Nazrallah.

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OK. He was a Palestinian born
entrepreneur who made millions running nightclubs, including
the legendary Starwood. He was charismatic, powerful and
ruthless. I believe it.
By the early 1980s, Nash had become a shadowy figure in LA's
underground, allegedly involved in drug trafficking, money
laundering and possibly murder. Murder.

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I don't think it's that much of A stretch to say probably
murder. Yeah, there's a rub here.
OK, yes there is. Their homes owed Nash money, and
in a bid to stay in Nash's good graces, he brought Wonderland to
him, a decision that would trigger a domino effect of
violence. Because these Wonderland morons,
right? They go in and they're working

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with Eddie Nash. They've made it to the big time
now. So this for them, They're like,
we're moving on up. Yeah, we're in.
Thank you, Wizard of Wad. You've done it again.
Hey. And then instead of being
appreciative of that, they startsizing up Nash.
They're morons. They're absolutely the dumbest
fucking people. Exactly so it would be.
Life is so much easier when you worked with someone as opposed

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to against. Can't we all just get along?
Please. They saw a fat target, drugs,
cash and valuables. Oh, guys, I don't mind you
seeing me as a target, but the fat thing, we just come on.
What they didn't realize, though, was that Nash was
watching them too. But that makes sense.
He's bringing them into $1,000,000 scheme.
Of course. He has to be watching them.
You can't trust everybody. No, it's a mirror of morons.

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By early summer 1981, the Wonderland Gang was strapped for
cash and itching for a big score.
Holmes, broke and desperate, offered them an opportunity they
couldn't resist. Well, I'm itching.
It could either be for a big score or all this chlamydia.
This herp. Yeah, it might be the herp.
He told them about Nash's house in Studio City, a fortress
filled with money, drugs and jewelry.

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That's right near us too. Yeah, cool.
Holmes had been there many timesand he knew the layout, he knew
the security, and most importantly, fucking Eddie Nash
gave him the key. What?
What a key. Here's a key to my house, pal.
You barely have a key to mine. I know.
You don't even have a 13 1/2 inch Dong on another great name.

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Big John Phallus. That's for the Big John Phallus.
That sounds like a lawyer. Yeah.
According to court testimony, John Holmes left the sliding
glass door unlocked during a visit to Nash's house, allowing
the Wonderland crew to slip inside that night.
So Scooby-doo. On June 29th, 1981 they made
their move. Four men Ron, Billy, David and

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an associate named Tracy McCourt.
So Joy didn't show up. No, she's she's busy holding
down the. The she had to just stay at the
house, Yeah. Yeah, make sure the lease is
taken care of. I just signed at the beginning
of the year. Yeah, it is.
They'll they might come. Back look at it just look at the
lease for a while let's. Read through it.
Yeah, They all drive to Nash's home in the early hours of the
morning. They entered with shotguns,

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handguns, and they surprised Nash and his bodyguard, Gregory
Dials. Nash was beaten, pistol whipped
and robbed. Nash and Dials sounds like a
great 80s sitcom. Hell yeah.
They always find themselves in trouble, but they always find a
way into more trouble. The gang ended up making off
with a treasure trove 1.2 million in drugs, money and

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valuables. Oh my God.
Dang, Holmes. And this is the 8.
This is 81, right? 81?
That's a lot more money than it is today.
Yeah, it's like triple or. Maybe even more.
Yeah, damn, it's crazy. Holmes was allegedly seen by
both Nash and Dials during the robbery.
So they're getting beaten. They see him in the distance,
like sneaking away, right? Hey, John, we see you.

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I'm not John Holmes. I'm I'm, I'm Johnny the One.
I'm a different guy. I'm a.
Different. I'm a different guy.
He made a critical mistake. In the chaos, Holmes dropped a
piece of jewelry, a gold cigarette case, while loading up
the loot at the Wonderland House.
I do love the idea of a gold cigarette case because it's

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like, yeah, do trashy things. Yeah, but look at look how cool
it's like, you know, shitting ona gold toilet.
Yeah. The gold case belonged to Eddie
Nash and worse, John Holmes didn't leave LA.
Oh wow. Yeah, so he slunk off in the in
the night, not thinking he was seen.
And he would. They were just like, you're
right there, you're right. I see you getting into your own
car. No, you don't.

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But what if you don't but we do?The next morning, Holmes
returned to Nash's home either out of guilt, arrogance or fear,
and what happened in that meeting is the stuff of legend.
Here's what may have happened. According to later witness
accounts and court records, Nash's bodyguard dials held
Holmes hostage. Nash allegedly had them beaten,

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and they were forced to reveal the names of the robbers.
Once they had those names, the countdown began.
TikTok. TikTok TikTok.
Indeed, this is before what everyone is doing now on TikTok.
This is the original. What do you do?
What do you do with your time? Well, you get a porn star who
robbed you and you beat the living shit out of him and you
make him give you the names. Yeah, this is very.

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So this is now we're in the second-half of Boogie Nights,
right? So.
Everything's falling. Apart, everything is falling
apart. I always like to make a funny
joke about someone who got into porn and they were like, why?
And I say, I say, why'd you get into porn?
And they say cuz of Boogie Nights and I said, did you not
watch the second-half of that movie?
And they say, no, I didn't. And oh, people laugh at that
joke. They got shot in the head.

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They just laugh like everyone's laughing now.
Holmes later told multiple stories about what happened that
day, sometimes claiming innocence, other times hinting
that Nash made him an unwilling accomplice.
From that moment on, Holmes wasn't just a fading porn star.
He was a marked man. Damn.
I don't, I mean, honestly, it doesn't seem like the right

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people to rub the wrong way. Yeah, no, it's it's real bad.
Yeah, it is bad of psycho Palestinian man.
Yeah, I don't like even a nice Palestinian man is kind of
scary. So yeah, that's that's not good.
On the morning of July 1st, 1981, at approximately 3:00 AM,
multiple assailants entered the Wonderland House at 8763

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Wonderland Ave. That's a great, great St. to be
on. I guess.
Not for them, but yeah. The attack was brutal.
The weapon of choice? Steel pipes, Blunt force trauma.
Yes, that's the worst. I would rather have an axe to
the Dome than a steel pipe. It's that, yeah, like you said,
blunt, but it takes longer to die.

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Yeah, Ron Lanius, Billy Deverell, Joy Miller and Barbara
Richardson were all bludgeoned to death.
Susan Lanius, Ron's wife, survived, but just barely.
She was found with a severe headinjury and permanently lost part
of her skull and memory. Which if you're, you know, John
Holmes, you're like, thank God. Oh, probably.

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God knows what he was up to. Yeah.
I mean, it depends what part of the memory you lose.
There's some moments in my life I'd be like, yeah, you can take
that, but I don't think it really works like that.
Yeah, yeah, probably just kind of takes a bunch of good stuff
and then leaves you with all thebad stuff.
David Lind, by a stroke of fate,wasn't at the house that night.
He had gone out to score heroin and returned to find everybody
covered in blood. Just see him walk in two big

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bags of heroin, drops it slowly.Good news.
What the what in the world like but.
Then a true heroin addict would be like, hey, even better news
more for me. More for me.
God, this is fantastic. The crime scene was described as
one of the most grizzly in Los Angeles history.
Dude, LA at this time just everyhouse was getting broken into.
Someone between Richard Ramirez,the Mansons.

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And in all the canyons. And all the canyons the.
Canyons are supposed to be the ritzy parts of town everybody's
supposed to be. Safe.
Well, that's what I think whenever I look up in the
Hollywood Hills. I'm just like target, target,
target. I want my house to be exactly.
I want it in a normal. Yeah, where people can hear you
scream. Exactly where all the neighbors
are working class. Yeah.
Where they all come up to you when you first move and be like,

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if anyone gives you any problems, you let them.
You let us know. We know everyone around here.
That's who you want. Yeah, that's true.
But there were blood soaked walls, blood soaked floors, even
the ceiling was covered in blood.
Damn, what kind of porno is this?
Jeez. Furniture was overturned,
victims were unrecognizable, butyet there were no signs of
forced entry. No neighbors heard gunshots.

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The killers had come in silent, and they left a message.
No one robs Eddie Nash and walksaway.
Definitely not a, nor do they limp away.
And I suppose when it comes to weapons and weapons of silence,
a blunt force object, you're not.
Yeah. Who's going to hear it?
Yeah, it's a series of whaps. A lot of thuds.
Yeah, exactly. A lot of dead.

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Thuds. At the center of it all was John
Holmes and his big dumb hog. Well, we don't don't indict the
penis, but we have no idea how smart or not smart it was.
You know, we could have passed the AC TS anyway.
Maybe. Yeah, according to the adult
adult industry. Adult industry historian Bill

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Margold. He says we're talking about a
Dick. From my elbow down.
Whoa. Gesturing to his outstretched
arm. So yeah, that that is all.
You need the visual. You need the visual we.
Be any more specific? It's just big, as if you guys
haven't figured that out yet. When police entered the
Wonderland House on the morning of July 1st, the scene inside
was indescribable. They found the four bodies

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beaten beyond recognition. Blood spattered on the walls.
Footprints stained the carpet. Even seasoned officers were
sick. Dang.
In one bedroom, amidst the carnage, they found Susan
Lanius, barely alive, her skull smashed in, her breathing
shallow. She was rushed to the hospital,
the only living witness. Oh my goodness.
The press quickly picked up the story.

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Reporter reporters called it theFour on the Floor murders.
Well, that's not very nice. Four on the floor.
What are they playing Twisters? Yeah, come on.
The four on the floor murders. I don't like it.
What does that even mean? 4 on the.
Floor. There were 4 dead bodies on the
floor. Do you get it?
I know. Alright, fine, but also wasn't
there only three 'cause that chick survived?

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Yeah, well, no cause, Barbara. Was fine.
OK, Yeah, fine. They got it right.
Yeah, also according to adult industry publisher Al Goldstein,
he says to think that he walked among us with that massive tool
like a dinosaur with that thump,thump, thump.
But it wasn't his feet hitting the floor, it was his balls
hitting the floor. Well, yeah, long balls.
Too. Yeah, and it was his Dick

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hitting the floor. He had long balls.
Wow. And that's something.
Long balls away. Indeed.
Behind the sensationalism, police were already zeroing in
on a lead. Inside the house they discovered
an unusual clue, a bloody palm print on the headboard of the
master bedroom. These guys were not very safe,
no. I mean, I guess it was a
different time when it comes to DNA and all that, but even by
that standard, they're leaving alot of evidence.

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And still you don't want to leave like a single print.
If you notice you left a single print, now you got to start
splashing it around and get right get the prints off.
You got to get the prints off. It's just a nightmare.
Like when Mr. Bean fucked with the painting.
Yeah, exactly. Whistler's Mother.
If you haven't watched Mr. Bean,watch Mr. Bean everything he
does. So good, it's the best.

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The one thing about that bloody palm print is that it did not
match any of the victims. When it was run through the
database, it made a match. The print belonged to John
Holmes. Oh, Johnny, come on, you got to
be smarter than that. The LAPD began trailing homes.
They did not arrest him immediately.
Instead, they watched, hoping he'd lead them to Eddie Nash.

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What they saw only deep in the mystery.
Just days after the murders, Holmes was seen entering Nash's
Studio City home again. This time, he stayed for hours.
Police suspected he was being protected, or perhaps silenced.
And then came a second bombshell.
A security tape surfaced from Eddie Nash's house.
On the grainy black and white footage, Holmes can be seen

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standing inside the gate, looking dazed, possibly high.
Moments later, he's buzzed in. Some detectives believe this
tape was filmed either right before or right after the
Wonderland murders. So he was high as a kite during
all of this. He.
Had to because he couldn't live with himself, I'm sure.
Yeah. I mean, I, I don't, I, I don't,
I don't know. I, I don't know where his heart

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and soul was, but it seems like he was just really not in a good
place. Yeah.
Definitely not. There are people who like, you
know, when you're looking at thescale of shittiness, it's like
at opposite ends I would say there's, you know, straight evil
and then there's desperate. So it's somewhere in between
there, right, 'cause desperationmakes people do a lot of
horrible things even if they don't want to.

(33:37):
Absolutely. It's really is a sad side effect
of the capitalist society that we live in.
That's what we're here to talk about.
In either case, it placed Holmesin Nash's orbit in the middle of
a violent fallout. Holmes wasn't talking to
anybody. Not to Nash, not to police, not
to anyone. When detectives finally brought
him in for questioning, he denied everything.
Good, good start, good starting point.

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He said. I don't know anything about
that. I wasn't there.
I don't even know those people. I don't know those people.
And could a man with a Dick thissize commit a crime?
Could he? Commit a lie.
Could he commit a lie? It was all a lie.
Oh. He knew them all.
He'd been inside the Wonderland house the morning of the
murders. Also, there was blood on his
shoe. Buddy, you got to get new shoes,

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you got to have your murdering shoes, and then you have your
not murdering shoes. That's it.
Shows up to police headquarters just flashing around and blood.
Is that a lot? Of blood on the bottom of your
shoes or you just farting? Yes.
OK, fantastic. He'd been seen on that tape and
the palm print on the bedpost was also his.

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So he's he's a liar. Yeah, come on, the palm print,
buddy. You got to wash.
You got to again. He was not aware of anything.
Yeah, obviously. Right.
As the investigation, I wanted to get away with murder also, I
am like a little bit being like,well, why didn't you?
But no, it wasn't. It was good that in a in a
sense, because then of course there was some justice.
Right. What?
OK, we'll talk about him. As the investigation closed in,

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homes vanished for months, no one knew where he was.
So now he's actually taking off when he should have taken off at
the very beginning if he was trying to get away with it.
Better late than never, Yeah, for him.
Detectives, they were thinking he was hiding in LA Skid Row,
which is horrific and I can't believe that actually exists.
I would rather go to jail than Skid Row.
It's a real place. It is awful.

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Have you driven through? When I was driving for Uber, I
picked this guy up 20 miles outside of downtown when I was
living that way. And he got in and he just
smelled homeless, like it was really bad something.
Yeah. And I took him to whatever
address I knew it was downtown. And then I'm literally driving
through Skid Row and right, he got dropped off in the middle of
Skid Row. It's no.
I was so scared. It is no freaking joke.

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Yeah, they took, they literally take over the streets.
It's a complete. It's a it's a village, it's
chaos, it's a total. And they have their own
hierarchy, they have their own mayor, their own governor.
It really is something. Yeah, so they thought he was
bouncing between crack houses, staying high, ducking the law.
There were rumors he was being protected by Nash and his
associates. Others claimed homes were just

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running, terrified, burned out and spiraling.
He should have gone to Florida. It's the state that best
resembles his cock and. His character.
His character, I just feel like you go to Florida when things go
wrong, go to Florida. Yeah, that's very true.
Yes, But eventually, I mean, youcan't outrun the FBI who just
gets involved at this point too.Yeah, that's true.

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And that's not the federal boobie inspector.
No, that's the borough. Yeah.
In late 1981, Holmes was found living out of a cheap motel in
Florida under an assumed name. He did go to Florida.
Yes, he did. Hell.
Yeah, let's go. Finger on the pulse.
I know where criminals go. He was arrested and extradited

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to Los Angeles, charged not withmurder, but with four counts of
murder as an accessory. OK, so he's like a a gibbets on
a croc. Gibbet, but he's not the Croc.
Yeah, he's the. Gibbet.
The Gibbet. Yeah, he's the little dangly
little charm hanging off. OK.
But that is better for him, right?
Sure. OK.
Yeah, it's. Just an accessory, just an add

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on. His trial would mark one of the
first times a major porn star was tried for capital crimes.
I got. I kind of hope so.
I don't know why, if this is super common, maybe we have to
look at the industry slightly more.
Yeah, it would reveal just how far he had fallen.
In 1982, the state of Californiaput John Holmes on trial for
four counts of first degree murder.

(37:30):
So he does get it upgraded. The prosecution claimed Holmes
helped orchestrate the Wonderland killings, possibly
even led the attackers into the house.
I just think he was so addicted to drugs.
Yeah. Does he orchestrate anything?
I mean, I think he was like, they live there, They live
there. I'll.
Go, yeah, he ratted them out. He was like, these are the

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people. These are right.
Yeah, I guess that's orchestrating in the dumbest
possible way. Yeah, the evidence, obviously,
the bloody palm, the shoe print and the testimony placing him at
the scene before the murders. But there was a problem.
There was no witnesses and no one could place a weapon in his
hand. So the woman that was all fucked
up and lived, she wasn't able totestify here?
Nah, sure, memory was gone. Completely wiped.

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Could you imagine, imagine how scary that would be to be like,
she just remembers you and you think, oh God, like you.
One of the only honestly thankful for her that like she
forgot it. Out of all the things to
remember, just remember. Like a happy childhood or
something. Right Holmes attorney Mitchell
Egbert painted him as a pawn. A drug addled has been caught
between two violent forces, the Wonderland Gang and Eddie Nash.

(38:35):
Your Honor, my client is a drug addict, has been.
That's what he says. Yeah, look at this fucking
loser. Hey, hey jury, look at this
fucking loser that I'm representing.
You think he can do any of this?He's like the Andy Dick of porn.
That's not good. No, I think Andy Dick is
officially the Andy Dick of pornalso.
Yeah, Mitchell says. He was scared.
He was addicted, He was not in control of that situation and he

(38:58):
did what he had to do to survive.
I mean, I don't think that he was in control, that's for
certain, no. Yeah, but he was in control in
the first operation because he opened the door, allowed the
Wonderland gang to come in and right, you know, steal all the
stuff was not. Right.
He was not good. He knew enough of what was right
and wrong. For sure, the trial turned into

(39:19):
a media frenzy. The once golden God of adult
film was now a gaunt, hollowed eyed defendant.
The Jerry watched as a fallen star squirmed under the weight
of his own lies. I mean fallen star is a little
slightly like up that's like, ishe a fallen star?
He's a shooting wad on the way down.
He was a shoot. There we go, shooting wad on the

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way down. Episode Title In the end,
despite all the suspicion, all the blood, there just wasn't
enough evidence. On June 26th, 1982, John Holmes
was what he was acquitted of allcharges.
Wow. And they did.
If the judge don't fit, if the if the glove don't fit, you must

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acquit. But they did that with a condom
and it didn't fit even though itwas large.
Yeah. So Holmes walked free, but he
never escaped. Oh no.
After his acquittal, John Holmesdisappeared from the spotlight.
His career was over, which I think he could have turned that
into instead of being the detective in the noir series,

(40:22):
being the criminal. And he's like hitting people
with his pipe. Oh absolutely, I mean they could
have spun it some way. Was he riddled with STD's by any
chance? Yeah, that may have been a
problem that may have hindered his with people wanting to work
with him. Yes, he's the Sultan of smut,
but if he also is full of STD's and stuff, you might not want to
fuck him. It's.
Not good. He bounced between in odd jobs

(40:44):
in low budget films. He reunited with his estranged
wife, Which? Why?
Well, why not? Why would his wife get back with
him? Because she loves him.
You don't know. She's got a caper.
Yeah, I got a huge pussy. And so she never found a man
that could, you know, she was getting forearmed and everything
else. Every guy's like this isn't my
fit. And then she says you're not

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Johnny Watt at all. Get out of here.
Get your leg out of me you smallfuck.
His addictions never left either.
By the mid 1980s, Holmes began arelationship with a much younger
woman named Laurie Rose, a fan who eventually became his second
wife. There you go.
I mean, that's a hell of a fan. Together they scraped by, but by

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1986 John Holmes was diagnosed with AIDS.
You know, John, this is just notthe fantasy I thought it was
going to be when you were doing gangbang detective movies.
Yeah, I thought we were going tolive the high life in the
Hollywood Hills. And now you have wasting
syndrome. Oh, he's so he's got AIDS in
1980. What?
1986. 1986, the peak yeah of thehorrific AIDS epidemic.

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It's a death sentence at that .0absolutely horrific because now
HIV AIDS is obviously you know what happens, what HIV becomes
and that's what really kills you.
And if you really want to get megoing, and God knows you guys
are starting to Rev this boat up, who created AIDS?
Was it the CIA to destabilize the African American come
community and the gay culture that was thriving?

(42:12):
Oh man, the answer is yes. Oh shit, the answer is yes.
You heard it here first. I don't know.
It's it's everywhere. You heard it here.
Last, people know that. In those days, like I said, it's
a death sentence. So in his final months, he tried
to spin his story into a movie deal.
He hinted at the truth, claimed to know more than he ever told.

(42:33):
So he's doing the OJ book version of If I.
Did I? Did I or did if I did kill this
bitch, this is what I how I would have done it book.
Yeah, yeah. So he's he's going and talking
to all these Hollywood producers, yapping his gums.
But when the courts and the FBI come around and they're like, do
you want to testify against Nashor against anybody?
He's like, no. He would get killed.

(42:54):
Yeah, well, he's going to die anyway.
Yeah, but you know what? There's a there's two different
kinds of deaths. Do you want to be drugged behind
a fucking car driven by this Nash guy or die peacefully in a
bed? Take me, take me behind the car.
No, you wouldn't do that. You wouldn't like that.
March 13th, 1988 Holmes died in a Los Angeles hospital at 43.

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Wow, hell of a that was a fast life.
My God, he took the full truth to his grave.
But while Holmes is dying, EddieNash is thriving.
Despite being the obvious suspect behind the retaliation,
Nash was never charged with the 1981 murders.
His influence ran deep into LA politics, the drug trade and

(43:38):
possibly law enforcement. So literally the man who
couldn't fall down because his cock was so big.
The human tripod was the fall guy in this case.
Some detectives believed Nash paid off insiders, Others
suspected witness intimidation. I'm sure both of those things
happened. Yeah, because there there's
certain people, you know, they can't be intimidated, so you got
to pay them, right. The other ones you could be

(43:58):
like, don't you fucking ever tell anyone?
They're like, OK, I'm. Fine.
Yeah. I mean, you pay off to people
who literally are like, you're intimidating me.
Yeah, I will kill you. Still, the rumor mills swirled.
In 1990, Nash was arrested on federal drug charges, but not
murder. He made a plea deal.
He paid a fine and walked. It was about $250,000.
For him, nothing, right? Nothing.

(44:19):
He's already making millions on millions.
Yeah. It wouldn't be until the early
2000s, two decades later, that Nash's past would come roaring
back, and federal prosecutors would finally bring the
Wonderland case back to life. Wow.
So, nearly 20 years after the brutal murders on Wonderland
Ave. most believe the case was buried too cold, too
complicated, too stained with Hollywood myth.

(44:40):
Right? But the federal government
doesn't forget. They really don't, and that's
the most aggravating thing. Well, you know what's the best
thing in the Karen Reed case 'cause they're gonna butt fuck.
Can you not shoehorn Karen Reed?Karen Reed is that it's.
Every gosh darn Karen Reed, we'll be discussing that on OK,
But again, this Friday, 'cause if it's Friday, it's Karen Reed

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Friday. That's right.
In the late 1990s, a federal task force was assigned and
focused on organized crime and drug trafficking in Los Angeles.
OK, it reopened its vial on Eddie Nash, which is crazy.
They're just like different files.
Ooh, Eddie Nash, let's go fucking get him now.
Exactly, just covered and come open like an old Playboy.
Rips in half exactly. His name still loomed large in

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the narcotics networks and investigators wanted him not
just for the drugs, but for the murder.
So to get him on the murder, they needed a new angle and new
witnesses. That's when the feds flipped
Scott Thorson and this guy. I didn't expect Liberace to come
into this, but this dude was Liberace's ex lover.
Oh. Who once claimed Nash tried to
kill him. I believe it.

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They also leaned on former associates of Gregory Dials, the
bodyguard for Nash. He had sense passed away.
So they're they're talking to people who talk to Gregory.
The only body he couldn't guard was himself.
And that's sad. That's very sad.
Yeah, it is. The real breakthrough for the
case came from a man who'd been silent for decades, a witness
who stayed alive by keeping quiet.

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That's what you have to do with these cases.
Yeah, so in 2000, the unthinkable happened.
Eddie Nash was finally indicted on Rico charges, racketeering,
drug trafficking, money laundering and conspiracy to
commit the Wonderland murders. Dang, that's a lot.
It is a lot. This time, it wasn't just about
what he did, it's about how he ran his empire.
So the government used Rico laws, typically aimed at the

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Mafia, to prove that Nash ran a criminal enterprise, and the
Wonderland murders were the mostviolent piece of it.
But in 2001, Nash agreed to a plea deal.
He admitted for the first time ever that he orchestrated the
retaliation for the robbery. He gave his permission to go
after the Wonderland Gang. OK, so this is a huge, huge
statement by him. Yeah, he also admitted he bribed

(46:52):
a chair in his 1990 drug trial. All right everyone, so let's
just go Edward. So anyway, little jury
tampering. Whatever.
Who doesn't do a little Jerry tampering?
Also, the current judge on the case, I bribed him.
I bribed everyone. Yeah, I mean, that's what he
did. Right.
That's how to stay out of trouble.
Money. Talks.
Yeah. He served only a few years in

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federal prison. He was never convicted of the
murder. He was released on probation to
the families of the victims. It wasn't justice, but it was
confirmation of what they'd always suspected.
So what did happen that night? Piercing together testimony,
forensic evidence and Nash's ownadmissions, here's what
investigators now believe. Holmes led the killers into the
Wonderland house. He may have unlocked the door or

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simply identified who to target.Multiple attackers entered with
steel pipes. The beating was meant to send a
message, but it went beyond vengeance.
So they weren't supposed to killthem.
They were going to kill them. Oh, they were good.
It was. It was an execution.
That so it's a long, it's a big message.
Yeah, Yeah. OK.
Yeah, that's a message to everybody else that.
I see. It wasn't a message to them
because the message, they wouldn't have gotten it because

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they would be dead. They were the message.
They were the message I see. Nash didn't pull the trigger.
There were no guns used, but he ordered the retaliation.
Kind of like Batman. Yeah.
And that interesting. Never uses a gun, he says He
doesn't like to kill people. Batman.
But sometimes he's done it well.He kills a lot of people there,
You know, he's like, no, gravitydid it.
But yeah, you pushed the motherfucker.
Sometimes you got to. Go.

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Holmes was the Judas figure, nota killer but the catalyst, and
when the blood dried, 5 lives were shattered and the city once
again was reminded of what lies beneath the glamour of Hollywood
addiction, money, betrayal and silence.
And the Olsen twins. Yeah, and huge hogs.
Yeah, somewhere in the sewers, you know, Hogs and the Olsen

(48:36):
twins just running around down there.
I'm sorry you've you've been infested with the Olsen twins.
This is going to be a tough humigation.
VHS has been showing up for a reason.
John Holmes died before facing full accountability.
Nash lived until 2007. Old, rich and free.
Wow. But the Wonderland case, even in

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its coldest moments, has never truly been forgotten.
Definitely not. We're talking about it right
here on Death and Entertainment.Yeah, for years after the
murders, the Wonderland case became something more than a
criminal investigation. It became myth.
Newspapers called it Hollywood'sManson massacre.
The tabloids couldn't get enoughof the bloody crime scene
photos, the porn star turned suspect and the cocaine palace

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turned killing field. In 2003, director James Cox
released Wonderland of Film, starring Val Kilmer.
There we go. As John Holmes.
So he's played some legendary characters, that guy.
Val is one of the greatest of all time to do it.
Yeah, he presented the story in a Rashomon style format, which
is showing multiple perspectivesof what might have happened

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from, you know, different people.
Interesting. Yeah.
But Hollywood only ever scratches the surface.
What's harder to face is the truth behind the flash.
That these people, Billy Deverell, Joy Miller, Barbara
Richardson, and Ron Launius, they weren't just victims of a
drug deal gone wrong. They were victims of a broken
system of corruption, addiction in a culture that blurred

(50:03):
fantasy and reality until both shattered.
Also they're dumb as fuck. Right, well that's a solid
point, but they are victims. But God everyone in this story
is stupid. Maybe except for Nash, I guess,
because he's like, he's in charge, I suppose.
John Holmes was more than just afamous adult actor.

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He was a product of 1970s Hollywood excess.
At his peak, he was earning thousands a week.
But behind the camera he was insecure, lost, addicted,
trapped in a persona he couldn'tsustain.
And that's when fame dried up and the drugs took over.
Right. He spiraled Into Darkness, into
Nash's world, into Wonderland. Damn, anything that has a good

(50:46):
name, horrible things happen at.Yeah, that's where there should
be like amusement parks, like horrible butt fuck place.
And you feel like this is the best one we ever had.
Decapitation land. Decapitation land.
No one's ever died or even stepped to tow there.
No, his life became a cautionarytale about the cost of
celebrity, the destructiveness of addiction, and what happens
when survival means betrayal. To this day, no one can say for

(51:06):
certain whether he swung a lead pipe that night.
I mean, he did. In his pants.
Yeah, you know, some big cock duck.
Big, big cock duck. But yeah, even though he wasn't
swinging a hammer, which he was also.
Exactly. But we get it.
Yeah, but he wasn't killing people with a lead pipe.
Yeah, he still, you know, was responsible for a lot.
But he had a huge Dick, but he didn't shoot it.

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He didn't. He didn't hit anyone with a lead
pipe. Yeah, even now, 40 years later,
the echoes of Wonderland remain.The street still exists, the
house still exists, and touristsstill walk past it every day.
Do people? I wouldn't.
I don't want to live there. No, I mean I.
Wouldn't want to live there at all.
They say when people get murdered in a house it lowers

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the property value. I would imagine.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind living in some place like that.
Yeah, that's just 'cause you don't want to pay full price for
a house. Yeah, you know, and then I
could, you know, have parties and be like, this is where
people got murdered. Do you see that?
That's where John Holmes, that'swhere he put his hand print?
I don't know. On my headboard.

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My houses with less dead memory but I guess most houses have had
dead bodies in them but it depends on how on how they die.
That's true. That puts a bow on it, so
that'll take us too. Final thoughts Who would have
thought the world of pornographycould lead somebody down a dark
and dangerous path? Yeah, John Holmes, definitely a

(52:31):
cautionary tale is, as Kyle said, just be careful what you
wish for. And also remember that there's
hope out there. If you are addicted to drugs or
whatever it is, you can turn your life around, but you got to
kind of do it before you aid in a bet in the murder of four
people. Yeah.
Yeah, you got to kind of tone itdown before then and just.

(52:54):
Do a little out of hand. Yeah, because if you do enough
cocaine just to like, feel, feela little good that, you know, to
each their own. But when you start doing enough
to be like, oh, I'm gonna start murdering people and letting
people inside houses and we're gonna fucking fuck this guy over
and then I'm gonna get fucked over and then we're not gonna go
to jail. It's not good.
I I really do hate to say this, but you got to kind of gauge
your activities by your banking account.

(53:16):
Yes. So if like all of a sudden
you're like, I don't have enoughmoney, you got to start cutting
things out. And the first thing you have to
cut out is the drugs. Yeah, the alcohol so you can get
a house to live in. Exactly.
And do you hear that? What is that?
You've got mail, woohoo. Opening up the mailbox, opening

(53:38):
up the package. Oh, what is?
It we've got Spotify mail. All right, Spotify Mail.
On Batman Shadow, how Adam West reclaimed his legacy, we got a
lot of good comments. Also Adam West.
I've been rewatching celebrity deathmatch.
Yes Adam West. He won the number.
He was the best Batman. Oh really?
Yes, Adam West is in Celebrity Deathmatch, which is a fantastic

(54:00):
claymation show. So he was everywhere in culture.
Wow. We had Tyler, he wrote.
The gentle giant part was hilarious.
Ben's setting the record straight subtly.
Thank you. It wasn't subtle.
It was. Don't fucking call me the Gentle
Giant. Yeah, I'll buck you on the head.
'Cause big Dick Burt Ward has his dog rescue.
It was the gentle giant dog. Rescue.
Yeah. I love that for Burt.

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I love dogs. I know, I I I know.
I do like that. Yeah, it's cute vintage chic by
Bab said. My mother's side of the family
is from Walla Walla. My mom and stepdad both worked
at Walla Walla State Penn AKA the Iron Mama the.
Iron Mama, that's scary. I like that during COVID they
floated the idea of letting GaryRidgway out because he's old and

(54:41):
they didn't want him to get. No sick, no, no, no no no no.
Gary Ridgway stays. That man is real bad.
Yeah God, what the fuck COVID. How are they going to let Gary
Ridgway out and then forced us to be in our houses?
God Covad was horrible. Yeah, you know, so that was the
craziest thing. Yeah, as seen by Dave said Big

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Dick Burt Ward owned the dog rescue.
It's in Norco, CA, not far from where he grew up.
It's called the Gentle Giants Rescue because he only takes
small Dick Giant dogs so no one can over shadow him.
Arf. ARF indeed.
Yeah, so thank you to everybody that wrote in, Thank you to
everybody on Patreon that's beensupporting us.
It's, you know, patreon.com/die Bud.

(55:24):
Yep, Death and Entertainment andOK Bud have joined forces again.
Two podcasts for one Patreon. Absolutely.
And we're talking with someone to build like a set for us.
Yeah. So we're going to get it all
kind of nice looking. Jerry Aquino from OK Bud
recommended that. Yeah.
And because she's she got the female.
Touch. That's right.
'Cause we would just do this in a sewer.
Yeah, of course. Like Daddy who?
Cares what it looks like. Got microphones?

(55:45):
We got microphones, we're good. But that does make a lot of
sense 'cause it seems like that's what everyone in
Hollywood does. Not that I ever want to be like
anyone in fucking Hollywood, right?
Because they are, they hate themselves, right?
They really do out here. Anyway, thank you all so much
for listening. As Kyle said, keep on supporting
the shows. Hail yourself and until next
week. Don't go dying on us.

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Bye bye. You have just heard a true
Hollywood murder mystery. I have never seen anything like
this before. The movies, Broadway, music,
Television. All of it.
A place that manufacturers nightmares.
OK everybody, that's a wrap. Good night, please drive home
carefully and come back again soon.