Wonderland: Blood on Laurel Canyon (Episode 166)

In the seedy underbelly of 1980s Los Angeles, a faded porn legend, a brutal drug gang, and a Hollywood mansion became the center of one of the city's most grisly and mysterious mass murders.

John Holmes—once the king of adult film—was broke, addicted, and desperate. When he crossed paths with the Wonderland Gang, it set off a chain of violence that would leave four people bludgeoned to death in what LAPD called "the most savage crime scene they'd ever seen."

But was Holmes a pawn… or a player? Find out this week on Death in Entertainment.

Episode Transcript

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He had a mustache that could hypnotize, let's just say gift
that made him a legend and a life so messy it makes Tiger
King look like Mr. Rogers. This week we're diving deep into
the rise and very, very hard fall of John Holmes.
Porn icon, drug mule, maybe evenmurderer.
He went from the king of adult film to a coked out errand boy

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in one of L as grizzliest and most confusing massacres, the
Wonderland Murders. Think Boogie Nights.
Meet CSI but with more blood, more blow, and fewer brain
cells. Strap in or on, it's about to
get weird. That's today on death in
Entertainment. Live from Los Angeles 911 What

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is your emergency here in Hollywood now?
2 counts of murder, injury and death.
Oh my God. Shocking new details that has
stunned the entertainment world.This makes me a little nervous.
The hair stood up on my arms just like in the movies.
What do? You call this thing anyway
death? Entertainment.

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Readings Dead O Universe. What's up?
How's everybody doing? My name is Kyle Plouffe.
I'm Ben Kissel, and today I cannot wait to bring you this
story. Oh, it's a long one, just like
the man's penis. John Holmes and the Wonderland
Murders. Before we get into it, I do want
to say some of the nicknames forJohn Holmes because they are the

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single greatest nicknames any man could ever have.
Although he might be one of the worst people to ever claim to be
a man. Yeah, my favorite because his
penis is so large. They called him the reverse
birth. Wow, the reverse birth isn't
that amazing. Big John.
Big John, obviously common Long John Wad.

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Can't go wrong with that. The Duke of Wad and another one
of my favorites, John Footlong. Isn't that cool?
Also, Dennis Rodman, move over because we got Wadzilla in town.
And of course, the sheriff of Grottingham.
Oh man, isn't that amazing? His Wikipedia page has an entire

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chapter just dedicated to penis size.
Isn't that great, but it's not negative.
Yeah, it's like 1313 inches, something like.
That they said 13 1/2 inches. One person said that it goes as
long as 16 inches. He's definitely a grower and a
shower. But a person named Bill Amerson
says that he saw John measure himself many times and it was 13

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1/2 inches with a head the size of an apple.
Wow. That's very top heavy.
But he didn't use it as the weapon in the Wonderland
Murders, right? He used this as a weapon in many
other ways. Anyway, John Holmes and the
Wonderland Murders. Let's get into it.
Without further ado, let's get into the Johnny Wadcast.
Whoa. So before Wonderland, before

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Johnny Wad, before the blood andbetrayal, Oh, there was just a
boy from Ohio. Isn't that nice?
Yeah, the Midwest does grow the big dongs.
They really do. Do they?
That's a Hardy bunch. John Curtis Estes, that was his
original last name. OK.
He was born August 8th, 1944 in Pickaway County, Ohio.

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Wow, it's a poor rural area. Yeah, Pickaway.
It sounds like Scabby Town. Yeah, it's very methy.
Right Pickaway. That's definitely the after or
the before picture on every before and after billboard,
hopefully regarding recovery, yeah.
His childhood was very unstable,his father was an alcoholic and

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he abandoned the family early on.
You. Tell me a porn star had an
unstable childhood. Yeah, I don't think so.
It's weird that a male porn starwould have an unstable
childhood. You'd think.
Like it's just the line of work every guy wants to go into is
just fuck a bunch of chicks on camera.
Absolutely not. Yeah, though I can't even think
of a worse destiny for me. Yeah.
Ohh. My Lord.
I would be absolutely embarrassed.

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A bunch of loose skin flying around, no one happy.
Yeah, I think that the emotions that take someone into porn for
both men and female are the same.
You know, because they want to be loved, they want to be seen.
And what's the most superficial way to get somebody to love you?
It's to fuck them. Yeah, that's true.

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His mother remarried multiple times, and some say John's early
life taught him how to survive and how to lie.
OK, I believe that. He was the youngest of four
children born to 26 year old Mary June Holmes.
Nice. But the name of his father,
railroad worker called Estes, was left blank on the birth
certificate. Well, isn't that interesting
because he went on to be a rail worker in his own room.

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Hey, Mary married Edgar Harvey Holmes and that's how he got his
name. OK, Last name this guy.
She married and divorced him three separate times.
Dude, there was a family that did that in my hometown of
Stevens Point, and I think the fourth marriage stuck.
Yeah, I it's kind of cute. It's like they're renewing their
divorce instead of renewing their vows.

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Exactly, they got married April 13th 1936, August 13th 1945 and
September 12th, 1947. So that spans a lot of years.
It really does. And at what point do you get the
wedding invitation and just say,no, I'm not traveling anymore,
I'm done? Well, what?
At what point do you get asked to be married by the same guy
and you say no? Right.

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Or. Is the third wedding the
absolute best because all they do is a keg of beer and a couple
of lunchables? Because you know, this might be
another temporary the engagement.
Right when they first got married, Edgar was 34 years old
and already divorced but from someone else and Mary was 17.
OHK. OK, yeah, but on the younger
side. So in 1960, Holmes left the home

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at age 15 and enlisted in the United States Army.
Well. Thank you for your service.
Memorial Day week. Absolutely.
I mean, it's really interesting when you go in and say Sir, I
want to be an Army man and they say you don't look big and
strong enough for not for us. And then you drop trout and they
say, Sir, you're exactly what we're looking for.
You are the weapon. Yep, we'll give you 2 helmets.

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He needed his mother's written permission to go off to war, so
that's crazy. My mom never would have given
it. Benjamin staying home.
I absolutely, I went through a phase.
I've told people I wanted to be a police officer for like 6
months and she's like, have you thought about something safer
immediately? Yeah.
You can get shot anyway. That's true.
You can get shot anywhere. Yeah.
He spent most of the three yearsof his military service in West

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Germany in the Signal Corps. OK.
And he got honorably discharged in 1963.
And that would not be his first discharge.
Hey. Then he moved to this town, Los.
Angeles, California Am I just gonna get a bunch of A's
tonight? Hey, what is this?
What is this reaction? Feel like I'm, I'm, I'm doing
the the Jersey circuit. Hey, the Poconos is gold.

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He worked a variety of jobs, including selling goods door to
door and tending the vats at a coffee nips factory.
What's a What are coffee nips? They are nipples tasting like
coffee. Really.
I don't know, coffee nips. No, I think it's like small
coffees. I mean that does sound like a
New Jersey breastfeeding but like Nah.
My kid likes his cigars and his his coffee nipples taste like

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coffee. During his stint as an he was an
ambulance driver after this. Oh, thank you.
He. Met a nurse named Sharon Gabini
in December 1964 and they married on August 21st, 1965 in
California after Holmes turned 21.
He made an honest lady out of her.
Yeah, OK. And then, you know, we got more

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entendres here. In April 1965, Holmes found work
as a forklift driver at a meat packing warehouse.
Isn't that amazing? And he saved the company so much
money because they didn't need aforklift.
Just let me look at some porno. I'll lift that stack of wood for
you. I'll pack that meat indeed.
However, repeated exposure to the freezing air in the large
walk in freezer after being outside inhaling the desert hot

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air caused him severe health problems.
You would think the freezer withall the cold air would be
refreshing and kind of nice. Yeah.
And then you go right out into the desert air and it led to
collapsed lungs on three separate occasions during the
two years he worked there. I had no idea that was possible.
So the temperature change being that quick caused his lungs to.
Just shit the bed. Yeah, I guess we.

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Were discussing this with my candle disaster of this week.
For those that just listen to OKbud.
You know I was trying to boil some candles to get that wax
smell cause the Wicks didn't go all the way to the bottom.
It turned out I added a little bit too much water, the whole
thing exploded and the glass cracked.
So is it similar to adding cold water to hot glass?
That's exactly what it is. Interesting.
Yeah, See, that's why I did that.

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So I have more expertise on thisshow.
Yes. I'm not a moron.
No, Sharon also had health problems during the first
seventeen months of her marriageto home.
She miscarried 3 separate times.Holy hell, once for every
collapsed lung that he got. They're matching.
Oh, I wonder if the was it, was it not going in the right tube?

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Maybe the the little embryo was was stuck in her wrong tube.
Oh his Dick so big at shooting past.
Oh, that could be. Or just damage the uterus so bad
it couldn't even hold on to anything anymore.
Also, perhaps we'll get into it.Not sure but this woman could
really take a Dick. I guess so.
Because a lot of people said holy hell when they saw his

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penis. As a matter of fact, there was a
quote from one of the people saying when you fuck John
Holmes, you're going to truly know if bigger is better.
Yeah, because a lot of people were like, no, no, no.
I never thought I'd say it. That's too much.
Yeah, I mean, a lot of girls do say that they're like the big
ones hurt, but yours is good. Well, yeah, that's a compliment.
That's nice. Yeah.

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That's so nice. Well, here's a special needs.
This is not not normal. Big, right?
Yes, but that is a way for a woman to tell you have a small
penis. Do the tongue work, boys.
Yeah, so in the late 1960s, he'slike, all right, my lungs are
exploding. Her uterus is exploding.
Everything is going wrong. Let's let's get some different
work here. Let's get something stable like

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pornography, yeah? Well, even worse than that, at
this point it's he got work as anude model.
See, that's not bad. Well.
What are the use cases for nude models?
It's like literally you go into an art class and people just
draw you nude. You could probably get 100 bucks
a class. And that's it.
Is there any other nude model, Iguess just like being in the
background of parties or something?
Porno. Well, yeah.

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Obviously. And then, yeah, you have your
artistic, you know, college classes, right?
Yeah. Yep, Yep.
That's about it, I guess. True.
I mean, what if you became a statue, like the statue of
David, Right. Also, the statue of David would
look a lot different if it was John Holmes, I'll tell you that.
Yeah. There wouldn't be as many
macaroni pubes, it'd be all hog.Exactly, people hitting their

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heads on the bottom of his shaftjust being like can you fucking
raise that thing please? So then he enters the adult film
industry from the nude model world.
Proper segue. He he got in during its earliest
days and that's when it was veryunderground.
People were, you know, really doing it, getting sick, right?

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You know, a lot of a lot of things were going on.
Yes. And that is 1 area where the
adult industry has definitely gotten better.
A lot of STD's, a lot of AIDS, alot of different viruses.
And now my understanding of the people that I know in the biz,
they get tested more than the athletes get tested for
steroids. Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. So that that is good.

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So in 1970 we have the rise of Johnny Wad.
Oh yes, we do again. Also known as the Wizard of Wad,
the human tripod, John C Wad. There's a lot of them.
Also my favorite John Duvall. Just one named John Duvall.

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I like that. Yeah, it's just a dude.
It's like, out of all of these, there's another one.
Eve's Burden isn't that amazing?But John Duvall, that really
stands out. I.
Like that. So yeah, he created the
character of Johnny Wad for the film Johnny Wad.
Wow. Johnny Wad starred in Johnny
Wad, produced and directed by Johnny Wad.

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Directed by Bob Ginn. No kidding.
The film becomes probably. Where a lot of ladies got the
Johnny wad a put on their chin. The film becomes a huge hit over
the next few years. Chin and Holmes, they become a a
duo. I love that.
And it's a series of pornographic detective films.

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Johnny Wad. I love it.
What are some of the cases do weknow?
The case of stolen pussy. Yep, yes, indeed, This is the
missing asshole. The case of the old throat
tickler. You better find him and find him
quick. Yeah, turns out it was me the
whole time. They're part porn, part noir
crime thriller. I love that the character

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becomes an icon in the golden age of adult cinema.
Absolute. This is when porno had class
panache. Storylines.
Yeah, they try with the storylines now, but much like
Hollywood, it's all all based onIP.
It's all about The Smurfs. It's all it's all about Winnie
the Pooh. Come on, give me something
fresh, give me something new. I don't want to watch star.

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Fuck, I want to watch something that's unique.
Right, there's one of the scariest things I've ever seen
on YouTube. It's the all non sexual scenes
of a German Beavis and Butthead porno.
Oh, that's how I've seen the clips so.
Terrifying. Does anyone actually, and this
is for the chat. This is comment OK bud,
[e-mail]. I know this is that's an
entertainment, but we're brothers.

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Anyone ever jerked off to one ofthose?
Like because? Or is it just for novelty?
Right, Because the Beavis and Butt head is disturbing.
There's a Simpsons one too that's like Spanish.
Yes, The Simpsons one is disturbing.
Anytime you have an animated group of characters come to life
literally all over each other, Iwant to know if someone's
actually jerked off to it, please let us know.

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So Holmes is marketed based on his unusually large penis.
Rumored, though exaggerated, to be 13 inches. 13 1/2 inches my
friend. That's that's what they say.
Good Lord, and he develops a massive following.
Yeah, I believe it. I wonder how many of them were

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men? Oh, I'm sure a ton, Right?
Yeah. I mean, borderline homosexual.
Like Vince McMahon used to just love physique magazines and
physique competitions and stuff.It's like it's about the kind
of. Adoration of it.
He loves bodies. I was dude.
It's been fantastic. I've been watching Superstars
from the early 90s on Peacock, and Vince McMahon is talking

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about WBF, which is the World Bodybuilding Federation, and
he's pushing these magazines, right?
And he talks about bodies and males bodies.
I do believe that he does have that in him.
Yeah. He loves, he just loves bodies.
It's it's really interesting. Let me see the muscles, boy.
He loves it, yeah. So he becomes one of the most
prolific adult film actors of all time.

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He appeared in over 500 films. Good.
For him, wow, it's a lot of work.
It's a. Lot of Rd. rash.
It is. Damn.
The notable films he was in was The Danish Connection, which is
him just fucking pastries or something.
Yeah. I was gonna say, it sounds
pretty Top Chef cheese Danish. I love that.

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Well, I mean, even if it's a Raspberry Danish, it'll be
cheese at the end. The Jade Pussycat from 1977.
That's good. It's kind of a fun name.
Jade Pussycat. Definitely a mystery.
Definitely sounds like a mystery.
His image helps drive the success of adult movies during
what is now called the golden age of porn.
Like I said, yes exactly. So I mean this.

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Is the golden age? Is this technically the golden
age of cinema? As well.
Well cinema was early on like that was like early Hollywood
40s and stuff. Maybe before, around that time,
yeah, When it's going from like the silent to talkies.
Right. And in this case, it's the
monies. Yeah, They also say his
ejaculate volume was huge. Oh yeah, you got to eat a lot of

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celery. Yeah, not just the volume of
films, but the actual come that he could create.
Really remarkable. So 1977 and 1978 Holmes life
begins to unravel. Oh no, porno wasn't stable,
damn. He was increasingly using
cocaine and freebase. That's the amazing thing that he

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still had the voluptuous amount of frothy cream and being able
to stay hard. Cocaine is not a get me hard
drug, at least from my understanding.
No, you need to do like Viagra with it usually.
But they didn't have the V back then, did they?
No, I don't think so. Wow.
Yeah. So this guy was just doing it.
He just had to do it with his mind.
Sheer will. Unbelievable.
What a talent like Bo Jackson. He never practiced Bo, No, and

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nor did Holmes have to. No, but now he starts missing
shoots, he's becoming unreliableand his health is deteriorating.
And he's not that old at this time, right?
No. Maybe late 20s, early 30s.
Yeah. OK.
Yeah, this should be your prime.I know by 1978 most mainstream
adult film producers won't even touch him.
Well, that's really the most offensive thing you cannot do to

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a porn star. They're not supposed to touch
him anyway, they're not going tohire him, and his marriage ends
up going into flames too. I do think it's a tricky thing.
It's a tricky thing to be married and do porn.
A lot of porn stars have talked about how difficult their love
life is. Yeah, he was a man consumed by
his own legend. Holmes was now broke, desperate
and spiraling into the shadows of Los Angeles.

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I mean, the dude can get 20 bucks whatever he wants.
Yeah, let's be honest, he's one zipper away.
Yeah, from 20 bucks at any time.That's true, but enter the
Wonderland Gang. They were small time players
with big ambitions. Based at 8763 Wonderland Ave. in
Laurel Canyon. All right, just watch her.

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Just listen to our Little Rascals episode.
We're done. Yeah, they just sound like the
Little Rascals have all grown upand we're the Wonderland gang
now. The gang was made-up of four
main members. That's a friend group.
It is not a gang. That's not a gang.
Come on. That's a handful of people that.
Is. Yeah, Ron Launius.

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He's a violent ex-con and the gang's cold blooded leader Billy
Deverell. He's Ron, second in command,
more level headed. Joy Miller was Billy's
girlfriend and the leaseholder of the house they stayed at.
OK, so she was the the one that actually had her shit together.
Yeah, she's got, she's on the lease and she's like, hey, I'm
in the gang too, right. They're like, yeah, yeah, you.

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Thanks for the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Joy.
Yes, Yeah, that's right. And David Lind, he was a user,
hustler and long time friend of Ron's.
I don't. Like any friend group that has
delineated roles. Yeah, that is so lame.
I'm the leader, guys. Like what?
What is happening? I thought we were just going to
Vegas. They sold drugs, mostly cocaine
and heroin, and partied hard. The Wonderland House was a 24/7

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den of drugs, sex and criminal scheming.
I would love to be a family on the wall.
So here's the thing. We're going to the bank.
What if we're the money? We kidnap ourselves, you see,
John? Holmes began frequenting
Wonderland, of course, because he loves cocaine.
Right, that'll do it. And you know they have floors to
sleep on. It I was going to say he

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probably can rest there. Yeah, yeah.
At first he was just another hanger on trading information
for drugs. So that's the he's like, hey, I
got the word on the street. What's the word on the street?
Like you got any money? He's like now, but that guy was
standing over there. Here's $5 now people letting him
know that guy is oh, here's coke, $5 worth of cocaine, which
is just enough to keep him hooked.

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Yeah, he started running errandsfor them.
He was a nice little task rabbit.
Wow, errand runner. That's not going to be the
errand boy. You're you're the biggest porn
star in the world, right? And now you're Wonderland gangs
errand boy. You can just see him pole
vaulting down the high, down thesidewalk and like I got to get
these blueberry muffins to the gang.
Gush, gush, gush. God it's like that Doc Ock

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character from Spider Man Doc cock boom hey, and boom goes the
dynamite. He also had something that
others didn't besides a huge hog.
Right, of course, access. Through Holmes, the gang was
introduced to Eddie Nash, a wealthy nightclub owner with
serious criminal ties sounds. Like the Penguin and.

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That's when everything began to fall apart.
His name was Adel Nazrallah, andthat's that's he goes by Eddie
Nash. Oh, OK.
But it flows a little bit better.
Yeah. Adel doesn't really work.
Adel Nazrallah. OK, he was a Palestinian born
entrepreneur who made millions running nightclubs including the
legendary Starwood. He was charismatic, powerful and

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ruthless. I believe it.
By the early 1980s, Nash had become a shadowy figure in LA's
underground, allegedly involved in drug trafficking, money
laundering and possibly murder. Murder.
I don't think it's that much of A stretch to say probably
murdered. Yeah, there's a rub here.
OK, yes there is. Their homes owed Nash money, and

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in a bid to stay in Nash's good graces, he brought Wonderland to
him, a decision that would trigger a domino effect of
violence. Because these Wonderland morons,
right, they go in and they're working with Eddie Nash.
They've made it to the big time now, so.
This for them. They're like, we're moving on
up. Yeah, we're in.
Thank you, Wizard of Wad. You've done it again.
Hey. And then instead of being

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appreciative of that, they startsizing up Nash.
They're morons. They're absolutely the dumbest
fucking people. Exactly so.
It would be life is so much easier when you worked with
someone as opposed to against can't.
We all just get along. Please.
They saw a fat target. Drugs, cash and valuables.
Oh. Guys, I don't mind you seeing me
as a target, but the fat thing, we just come on.

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What they didn't realize, though, was that Nash was
watching them too. But that makes sense.
He's bringing them into $1,000,000 scheme.
Of course he. Has to be watching them.
You can't trust everybody. No, it's a mirror of morons.
By early summer 1981, the Wonderland Gang was strapped for
cash and itching for a big score.
Holmes, broke and desperate, offered them an opportunity they

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couldn't resist. Well, I'm itching.
It could either be for a big score or all this chlamydia.
This herp. Yeah, it might be the herp.
He told them about Nash's house in Studio City, a fortress
filled with money, drugs and jewelry.
That's right near us too. Yeah, cool.
Holmes have been there many times and he knew the layout, he
knew the security and most importantly fucking Eddie Nash

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gave him the key. What?
What? Here's a key to my house, pal.
You. Barely have a key to mine.
I know you don't even have a 13 1/2 inch Dong.
Another great name. Big John Phallus.
That's where. The Big John Phallus.
That sounds like a lawyer. Yeah.
According to court testimony, John Holmes left the sliding

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glass door unlocked during a visit to Nash's house, allowing
the Wonderland crew to slip inside that night.
So Scooby-doo. On June 29th, 1981 they made
their move. Four men Ron, Billy, David and
an associate named Tracy McCourt.
So Joy didn't show up. No, she's, she's busy holding
down the the. She had to just stay at the

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house, Yeah. Yeah, make sure the lease is
taken care of. I just signed at the beginning
of the year. Yeah, it is.
They might come back. Look at it.
Just look at the lease for a while.
Let's. Read through it.
Yeah, They all drive to Nash's home in the early hours of the
morning. They entered with shotguns,
handguns, and they surprised Nash and his bodyguard, Gregory
Dials. Nash was beaten, pistol whipped

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and robbed. Nash in dials sounds like a
great 80s sitcom. Hell yeah.
They always find themselves in trouble, but they always find a
way into more trouble. The gang ended up making off
with a treasure trove 1.2 million in drugs, money and
valuables. Oh my God.
Dang, Holmes. And this is the 8.
This is 81, right? 81 that's.

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A lot more money than it is today, yeah.
It's like triple or maybe. Even more, yeah.
Damn, it's crazy. Holmes was allegedly seen by
both Nash and Dials during the robbery.
So they're getting beaten. They see him in the distance,
like sneaking away, right? Hey, John, we see you.
I'm not John Holmes. I'm I'm, I'm Johnny the One.

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I'm. A different guy.
I'm a different. I'm a different guy.
He made a critical mistake. In the chaos, Holmes dropped a
piece of jewelry, a gold cigarette case, while loading up
the loot at the Wonderland House.
I do love the idea of a gold cigarette case because it's
like, yeah, I do trashy things. Yeah, but look at look how cool.
It's like, you know, shitting ona gold.

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Toilet. Yeah.
The gold case belonged to Eddie Nash.
And worse, John Holmes didn't leave LA.
Oh, wow. Yeah.
So he slunk off in the in the night, not thinking he was seen.
And he would. They were just like, you're
right there. You're right.
I see you getting into your own car.
No, you don't. But what if you don't but we do?
The next morning, Holmes returned to Nash's home either

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out of guilt, arrogance or fear,and what happened in that
meeting is the stuff of legend. Here's what may have happened.
According to later witness accounts and court records,
Nash's bodyguard dials held Holmes hostage.
Nash allegedly had them beaten, and they were forced to reveal
the names of the robbers. Once they had those names, the
countdown began. TikTok TikTok Tik.

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T.O.K indeed, this is before what everyone is doing now on
TikTok. This is the original.
What do you do what do you do with your time?
Well, you get a porn star who robbed you and you beat the
living shit out of him and you make him give you the names.
Yeah, this is very. So this is now we're in the
second-half of Boogie Nights, right?
So. Everything's falling apart.
Everything is falling apart. I always like to make a funny

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joke about someone who got into porn and they were like, why?
And I say, I say, why'd you get into porn?
And they say cuz of Boogie Nights and I said, did you not
watch the second-half of that movie?
And they say, no, I didn't. And oh, people laugh at that
joke. They got shot in the head.
They just laugh like everyone's laughing now.
Holmes later told multiple stories about what happened that
day, sometimes claiming innocence, other times hinting

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that Nash made him an unwilling accomplice.
From that moment on, Holmes wasn't just a fading porn star.
He was a marked man. Damn.
I don't. I mean, honestly, it doesn't
seem like the right people to rub the wrong way.
Yeah. No, it's it's real bad.
Yeah, it is bad of psycho Palestinian man.
Yeah, I don't like even a nice Palestinian man is kind of

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scary. So yeah, that's that's not good.
On the morning of July 1st, 1981, at approximately 3:00 AM,
multiple assailants entered the Wonderland House at 8763
Wonderland Ave. That's a great, great St. to be
on. I guess.
Not for them, but yeah. The attack was brutal.
The weapon of choice? Steel pipes blunt.

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Force trauma, Yes, that's the worst.
I would rather have an axe to the Dome than a steel pipe.
It's that. Yeah, like you said, Blunt, but
it takes longer to die. Yeah, Ron Lanius, Billy
Deverell, Joy Miller and BarbaraRichardson were all bludgeoned
to death. Susan Lanius, Ron's wife,
survived, but just barely. She was found with a severe head

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injury and permanently lost partof her skull and memory.
Which if you're, you know, John Holmes, you're like, thank God.
Oh, probably. God knows what he was up to.
Yeah. I mean, it depends what part of
the memory you lose. There's some moments in my life
I'd be like, yeah, you can take that, but I don't think it
really works like that. Yeah, yeah, probably just kind
of takes a bunch of good stuff and then leaves you with all the
bad stuff. David Lind, by a stroke of fate,

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wasn't at the house that night. He had gone out to score heroin
and returned to find everybody covered in blood.
Just see him walk in two big bags of heroin.
Drops it slowly. Good news.
What the what in the world like?But that a true heroin addict
would be like, hey, even better news more for me.
More for me. God, this is fantastic.
The crime scene was described asone of the most grizzly in Los

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Angeles history. Dude, LA at this time just every
house was getting broken into. Someone between Richard Ramirez,
the Mansons. And in all the canyons.
And all the canyons the. Canyons are supposed to be the
ritzy parts of town. Everybody's supposed to be safe.
Well, that's what I think whenever I look up in the
Hollywood Hills. I'm just like target, target,
target. I want my house to be exactly.
I want it in a normal. Yeah, where people can hear you

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scream. Exactly where all the neighbors
are working class, where they all come up to you when you
first move and be like, if anyone gives you any problems,
you let them. You let us know.
We know everyone around here. That's who you want.
Yeah, that's true. But there were blood soaked
walls, blood soaked floors, eventhe ceiling was covered in
blood. Damn, what kind of porno is
this? Jeez.

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Furniture was overturned, victims were unrecognizable, but
yet there were no signs of forced entry.
No neighbors heard gunshots. The killers had come in silent,
and they left a message. No one robs Eddie Nash and walks
away. Definitely not.
Nor do they limp away. And I suppose when it comes to
weapons and weapons of silence, a blunt force object, you're

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not. Yeah.
Who's going to hear it? Yeah, it's a series of whaps.
A lot of thuds, yeah. Exactly.
A lot of dead. Thuds.
At the center of it all was JohnHolmes and his big dumb hog.
Well, we don't don't indict the penis, but we have no idea how
smart or not smart it was. You know, we could have passed
the AC TS anyway. Maybe.

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Yeah, according to the adult adult industry.
Adult industry historian Bill Margold.
He says we're talking about a Dick.
From my elbow down. Whoa.
Gesturing to his outstretched arm.
So yeah, that that is all. You need the visual.
You need the visual we. Be any more specific?
It's just big. It's if you guys haven't even

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figured that out yet. When police entered the
Wonderland House on the morning of July 1st, the scene inside
was indescribable. They found the four bodies
beaten beyond recognition. Blood spattered on the walls.
Footprints stained the carpet. Even seasoned officers were
sick. Dang.
In one bedroom, amidst the carnage, they found Susan
Lanius, barely alive, her skull smashed in, her breathing

(30:38):
shallow. She was rushed to the hospital,
the only living witness. Oh my goodness.
The press quickly picked up the story.
Reporter reporters called it theFour on the Floor murders.
It's not very nice. Four on the floor.
What are they playing? Twisters?
Yeah. Come on.
The four on the floor Murders. I.
Don't like it? What does that even mean?

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4 on the floor. There were 4 dead bodies on the
floor. Do you get it?
I don't. All right, fine.
But also, wasn't there only three?
Because that chick survived? Yeah.
Well, no, because Barbara was fine.
OK. Yeah, it was.
Fine, they got it right. Yeah.
Also according to adult industrypublisher Al Goldstein, he says
to think that he walked among uswith that massive tool like a

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dinosaur with that thump, thump,thump.
But it wasn't his feet hitting the floor.
It was his balls hitting the floor.
Well, yeah. Long balls too.
Yeah, and it was his Dick hitting the floor.
He had long balls. Wow.
And that's something. Long balls away, indeed, behind
the sensationalism, police were already zeroing in on a lead.
Inside the house they discoveredan unusual clue, a bloody palm

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print on the headboard of the master bedroom.
These guys were not very safe, no.
I mean, I guess it was a different time when it comes to
DNA and all that, but even by that standard, they're leaving a
lot of evidence. And still you don't want to
leave like a single print. If you notice you left a single
print, now you got to start splashing it around and right
get the prints off. You got to get the prints off.
It's just a nightmare. Like when Mr. Bean fucked with

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the painting. Yeah, exactly.
Whistler's mother. You haven't watched Mr. Bean.
Watch Mr. Bean everything he does.
So good, it's the best. The one thing about that bloody
palm print is that it did not match any of the victims.
When it was run through the database, it made a match.
The print belonged to John Holmes.

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Oh, Johnny, come on, you got to be smarter than that.
The LAPD began trailing homes. They did not arrest him
immediately. Instead, they watched, hoping
he'd lead them to Eddie Nash. What they saw only deep in the
mystery. Just days after the murders,
Holmes was seen entering Nash's Studio City home again.
This time, he stayed for hours. Police suspected he was being

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protected, or perhaps silenced. And then came a second
bombshell. A security tape surfaced from
Eddie Nash's house. On the grainy black and white
footage, Holmes can be seen standing inside the gate,
looking dazed, possibly high. Moments later, he's buzzed in.
Some detectives believe this tape was filmed either right
before or right after the Wonderland murders, so he was

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high as a kite. During all of this.
He had to 'cause he couldn't live with himself, I'm sure.
Yeah. I mean.
I don't, I, I don't know. I, I don't know where his heart
and soul was, but it seems like he was just really not in a good
place. Yeah.
Definitely not. There are people who like, you
know, when you're looking at thescale of shittiness, it's like

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at opposite ends, I would say there's, you know, straight evil
and then there's desperate. So somewhere in between there,
right? Because desperation makes people
do a lot of horrible things, even if they don't want to.
Absolutely. It's really is a sad side effect
of the capitalist society that we live in.
That's what we're here to talk about.
In either case, it placed Holmesin Nash's orbit in the middle of

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a violent fallout. Holmes wasn't talking to
anybody. Not to Nash, not to police, not
to anyone. When detectives finally brought
him in for questioning, he denied everything.
Good, good start, good starting point.
He said. I don't know anything about
that. I wasn't there.
I don't even know those people. I don't know those people.
And could a man with a Dick thissize commit a crime?
Could he? Commit a lie.

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Could he commit a lie? It was all a lie.
He knew them all. He'd been inside the Wonderland
house the morning of the murders.
Also, there was blood on his shoe.
Buddy, you got to get new shoes,you got to have your murdering
shoes, and then you have your not murdering shoes.
That's it. Shows up to police headquarters
just splashing around in blood. Is that a lot of blood on the

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bottom of your shoes or you justfarting?
Yes. OK, fantastic.
He'd been seen on that tape and the palm print on the bedpost
was also his. So he's he's a liar.
Yeah, come on, the palm print, buddy.
You got to wash. You got to again.
He was not aware of anything. Yeah, obviously.
Right. As the investigation.

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I wanted to get away with murderalso.
I am like a little bit being like, well, why didn't you?
But no, it wasn't. It was good that in a in a
sense, because then of course there was some justice, right?
Well, OK, we'll talk about him. As the investigation closed in,
homes vanished for months. No one knew where he was, so now
he's actually taking off when heshould have taken off at the
very beginning if he was trying to get away with it.

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Better late than never, Yeah, for him.
Detectives, they were thinking he was hiding in LA Skid Row,
which is horrific and I can't believe that actually exists.
I would rather go to jail than Skid Row.
It's a real place. It is awful.
Have you driven through? When I was driving for Uber, I
picked this guy up 20 miles outside of downtown when I was
living that way. And he got in and he just

(35:32):
smelled homeless, like it was really bad something.
Yeah. And I took him to whatever
address I knew it was downtown. And then I'm literally driving
through Skid Row and right, he got dropped off in the middle of
Skid Row. It's no, I was so scared.
It is no freaking joke. Yeah.
They took, they literally take over the streets.
It's a complete. It's a it's a village, it's
chaos. It's a total.
And they have their own hierarchy.

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They have their own mayor, yeah,their own governor.
It really is something. Yeah, so they thought he was
bouncing between crack houses, staying high, ducking the law.
There were rumors he was being protected by Nash and his
associates. Others claimed homes were just
running, terrified, burned out and spiraling.
He. Should have gone to Florida.
It's the state that best resembles his cock and his.

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Character. His character, I just feel like
you go to Florida when things gowrong, go to Florida.
Yeah, that's very true. Yes, But eventually, I mean, you
can't outrun the FBI who just gets involved at this point too.
Yeah, that's true. And that's not the federal booby
inspector. No, that's the borough.
Yeah. In late 1981, Holmes was found

(36:34):
living out of a cheap motel in Florida under an assumed name
He. Did go to Florida.
Yes, he did. Hell.
Yeah, let's go. Finger on the pulse.
I know where criminals go. He was arrested and extradited
to Los Angeles, charged not withmurder, but with four counts of
murder as an accessory. OK, so he's like a a gibbets on

(36:56):
a. Croc Gibbet, but he's not the
Croc. Yeah, he's the gibbet.
The. Gibbet.
Yeah, he's the little dangly little charm hanging off.
OK. But that is better for him,
right? Sure.
OK. Yeah, it's.
Just an accessory, just an add on.
His trial would mark one of the first times a major porn star
was tried for capital crimes. I got.
I kind of hope so. I don't know why, if this is

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super common, maybe we have to look at the industry slightly
more. Yeah, it would reveal just how
far he had fallen. In 1982, the state of California
put John Holmes on trial for four counts of first degree
murder. So he does get it upgraded.
The prosecution claimed Holmes helped orchestrate the
Wonderland killings, possibly even led the attackers into the
house. I I just think he was so

(37:41):
addicted to drugs. Yeah.
Does he orchestrate anything? I mean, I think he was like,
they live there. They live.
There, I'll go. Yeah, He ratted them out.
He was like, these are the people.
These are right. Yeah, I guess that's
orchestrating in the dumbest possible way.
Yeah, the evidence, obviously, the bloody palm, the shoe print
and the testimony placing him atthe scene before the murders.
But there was a problem. There was no witnesses and no

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one could place a weapon in his.Hand So the woman that was all
fucked up and lived, she wasn't able to testify here?
Nah, sure, memory was gone. Completely wiped.
Could you imagine? Imagine how scary that would be
to be like she just remembers you and you think oh God like
you. One of the only honestly
thankful for her that like she forgot it.
Out of all the things to remember, just remember.
Like a happy childhood or something.

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Right Holmes attorney Mitchell Egbert painted him as a pawn.
A drug addled has been caught between two violent forces, the
Wonderland Gang and Eddie Nash. Your Honor, my client is a drug
addled has been. That's what he says.
Yeah. Look at this fucking loser.
Hey, hey jury, look at this fucking loser that I'm

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representing you. Think he could do any of this?
He's like the Andy Dick of porn.That's not good.
No, I think Andy Dick is officially the Andy Dick of porn
also. Yeah, Mitchell says.
He was scared. He was addicted, He was not in
control of that situation and hedid what he had to do to
survive. I mean, I don't think that he
was in control, that's for certain.
No, Yeah. But he was in control in the

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first operation because he opened the door, allowed the
Wonderland gang to come in and right, you know, steal all the
stuff. He was not good.
He knew enough of what was rightand wrong.
For sure, the trial turned into a media frenzy.
The once golden God of adult film was now a gaunt, hollowed
eyed defendant. The Jerry watched as a fallen

(39:26):
star squirmed under the weight of his own lies.
I mean fallen star is a little slightly like up that's like, is
he a fallen star? He's a shooting wad on the way
down. He was a shoot.
There we go shooting WAD on the way down episode.
Title. In the end, despite all the
suspicion, all the blood, there just wasn't enough evidence.

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On June 26th, 1982, John Holmes was what he was acquitted of all
charges. Wow.
And they did. If the judge don't fit, if the
if the glove don't fit, you mustacquit.
But they did that with a condom and it didn't fit even though it
was large. Yeah.
So Holmes walked free, but he never escaped.

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Oh no. After his acquittal, John Holmes
disappeared from the spotlight. His career was over, which I
think he could have turned that into instead of being the
detective in the noir series, being the criminal.
And he's like hitting people with his pipe.
Oh, absolutely. I mean, they could have spun it
some way. Was he riddled with STD's by any
chance? Yeah.
Yeah. So that may have been a problem

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that may have hindered his with people wanting to work with him.
Yes, he's the Sultan of smut. But if he also is full of STD's
and stuff, you might not want tofuck him.
It's. Not good.
He bounced between in odd jobs in low budget films.
He reunited with his estranged wife, Which?
Why? Well, why not?
Why would his wife get back withhim?
Because she loves him. You don't know.

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She's got a caper. Yeah, I got a huge pussy.
And so she never found a man that could, you know, she was
getting forearmed and everythingelse.
Every guy's like this isn't my fit.
And then she says you're not Johnny Watt at all.
Get out of here. Get your leg out of me you small
fuck. His addictions never left
either. By the mid 1980s, Holmes began a

(41:14):
relationship with a much youngerwoman named Laurie Rose, a fan
who eventually became his secondwife.
There you go. I mean, that's a hell of a fan.
Together they scraped by, but by1986 John Holmes was diagnosed
with AIDS. You know, John, this is just not
the fantasy I thought it was going to be when you were doing
gangbang detective movies. Yeah, I thought we were going to

(41:36):
live the high life in the Hollywood Hills.
And now you have wasting syndrome.
Oh, he's so he's got AIDS in 1980.
What? 1986. 1986, the peak yeah of the
horrific AIDS epidemic. It's a death sentence at that .0
absolutely horrific because now HIV AIDS is obviously you know
what happens, what HIV becomes and that's what really kills

(42:00):
you. And if you really want to get me
going, and God knows you guys are starting to Rev this boat
up, who created AIDS? Was it the CIA to destabilize
the African American community and the gay culture that was
thriving? Oh man, the answer is yes.
Oh shit, The answer is yes. You heard it here first.
I don't know. It's it's everywhere.
You heard it here last. People know that.

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In those days, like I said, it'sa death sentence.
So in his final months, he triedto spin his story into a movie
deal. He hinted at the truth, claimed
to know more than he ever told. So he's doing the OJ book
version of if I I did I did I ordid if I did kill this bitch,
this is what I how I would have done it Book.
Yeah, yeah. So he's he's going and talking

(42:43):
to all these Hollywood producers, yapping his gums.
But when the courts and the FBI come around and they're like,
you want to testify against Nashor against anybody, he's like,
no. He would get killed.
Yeah, well, he's going to die anyway.
Yeah, but you know what? There's a there's two different
kinds of deaths. Do you want to be drugged behind
a fucking car driven by this Nash guy or die peacefully in a

(43:04):
bed? Take me, take me behind the car.
No, you wouldn't do that. You wouldn't like that.
March 13th, 1988 Holmes died in a Los Angeles hospital at 43.
Wow, hell of a that was a fast life.
My God, he took the full truth to his grave.
But while Holmes is dying, EddieNash is thriving.

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Despite being the obvious suspect behind the retaliation,
Nash was never charged with the 1981 murders.
His influence ran deep into LA politics, the drug trade and
possibly law enforcement. So literally the man who
couldn't fall down because his cock was so big.
The human tripod was the fall guy in this case.
Some detectives believed Nash paid off insiders, Others

(43:48):
suspected witness intimidation. I'm sure both of those things
happened, yeah. Because there there's certain
people, you know, they can't be intimidated, so you got to pay
them, right. The other ones you could be
like, don't you fucking ever tell anyone?
They're like, OK, I'm fine. Yeah, I mean, you pay off to
people who literally are like, you're intimidating me, I will
kill you. Still, the rumor mills swirled.
In 1990, Nash was arrested on federal drug charges, but not

(44:12):
murder. He made a plea deal.
He paid a fine and walked. It was about $250,000.
For him, nothing, right? Nothing.
He's already making millions on millions.
Yeah. It wouldn't be until the early
2000s, two decades later, that Nash's past would come roaring
back and federal prosecutors would finally bring the
Wonderland case back to life. Wow.
So, nearly 20 years after the brutal murders on Wonderland

(44:33):
Ave., most believe the case was buried too cold, too
complicated, too stained with Hollywood myth.
Right. But the federal government
doesn't forget. They really don't, and that's
the most aggravating thing. Well, you know what's the best
thing in the Karen Reed case 'cause they're gonna butt fuck.
Can you not shoehorn Karen Reed?Karen Reed is that it's.
Every gosh darn Karen Reed, we'll be discussing that on OK.

(44:57):
But again, this Friday, 'cause if it's Friday, it's Karen Reed.
Friday. That's right.
In the late 1990s, a federal task force was assigned and
focused on organized crime and drug trafficking in Los Angeles.
OK, it reopened its vial on Eddie Nash, which is crazy.
They're just like different files.
Oh, Eddie Nash, let's go fuckingget him now.
Exactly, just covered and come open like an old Playboy.

(45:20):
Rips in half exactly. His name still loomed large in
the narcotics networks and investigators wanted him not
just for the drugs, but for the murder.
So to get him on the murder, they needed a new angle and new
witnesses. That's when the feds flipped
Scott Thorson and this guy. I didn't expect Liberace to come
into this, but this dude was Liberace's ex lover.

(45:41):
Oh. Who once claimed Nash tried to
kill him? I believe it.
They also leaned on former associates of Gregory Dials, the
bodyguard for Nash. He had sense passed away.
So they're they're talking to people who talk to Gregory.
The only body he couldn't guard was himself.
And that's sad. That's.
Very sad. Yeah, it is.
The real breakthrough for the case came from a man who'd been

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silent for decades, a witness who stayed alive by keeping
quiet. That's what you have to do with
these cases. Yeah, so in 2000, the
unthinkable happened. Eddie Nash was finally indicted
on Rico charges, racketeering, drug trafficking, money
laundering and conspiracy to commit the Wonderland murders.
Dang, that's a. Lot it is.
A lot. This time it wasn't just about

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what he did, it's about how he ran his empire.
So the government used Rico laws, typically aimed at the
Mafia, to prove that Nash ran a criminal enterprise, and the
Wonderland murders were the mostviolent piece of it.
But in 2001, Nash agreed to a plea deal.
He admitted for the first time ever that he orchestrated the
retaliation for the robbery. He gave his permission to go

(46:45):
after the Wonderland Gang. OK, so this is a huge, huge
statement by him. Yeah, he also admitted he bribed
a juror in his 1990 drug trial. All right, everyone, so let's
just go, Edward. So anyway, little jury
tampering. Whatever.
Who doesn't do a little jury tampering?
Also, the current judge on the case, I bribed him I.

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Grabbed everyone. Yeah.
I mean, that's what he did, right?
That's how to stay out of trouble.
Money talks. Yep.
He served only a few years in federal prison.
He was never convicted of the murder.
He was released on probation to the families of the victims.
It wasn't justice, but it was confirmation of what they'd
always suspected. So what did happen that night?
Piercing together testimony, forensic evidence and Nash's own

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admissions. Here's what investigators now
believe. Holmes led the killers into the
Wonderland House. He may have unlocked the door or
simply identified who to target.Multiple attackers entered with
steel pipes. The beating was meant to send a
message, but it went beyond vengeance.
So. They weren't supposed to kill
them. They were going to kill them.
Oh, they were. It was a.

(47:47):
It was an execution. That.
So it's a long, it's a big message.
Yeah, Yeah. OK, Yeah.
That's a message to everybody else that.
I see it wasn't a message to them 'cause the message they
wouldn't have gotten it 'cause they would be dead.
They were the message they. Were the message I see.
Nash didn't pull the trigger. There were no guns used, but he
ordered the retaliation. Kind of like Batman.
Yeah. Isn't that interest?
He never uses a gun. He says he doesn't like to kill

(48:08):
people. Batman, but.
Sometimes he's done it. He.
Kills a lot of people. Hey, you know, he's like, no,
gravity did it. But yeah, you pushed the
motherfucker. Sometimes you get to go.
Right. Holmes was the Judas figure, not
a killer but the catalyst, and when the blood dried, 5 lives
were shattered in the city once again was reminded of what lies
beneath the glamour of Hollywoodaddiction, money, betrayal and

(48:30):
silence. And the Olsen twins.
Yeah, and huge hogs. Yeah, somewhere in the sewers.
Yeah. Hogs and the Olsen twins just
running around down there. I'm sorry you've you've been
infested with the Olsen twins. This is going to be a tough
humigation. I.
Know they're VHS has been showing up for a reason.
John Holmes died before facing full accountability.

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Nash lived until 2007. Old, rich and free.
Wow. But the Wonderland case, even in
its coldest moments, has never truly been forgotten.
Definitely not. We're talking about it right
here on death and entertainment.Yeah.
For years after the murders, theWonderland case became something
more than a criminal investigation.
It became myth. Newspapers called it Hollywood's

(49:13):
Manson massacre. The tabloids couldn't get enough
of the bloody crime scene photos, the porn star turned
suspect and the cocaine palace turned killing field.
In 2003, director James Cox released Wonderland of Film,
starring Val Kilmer. There we go.
As John Holmes. So he's played some legendary
characters, that guy. Val is one of the greatest of

(49:34):
all time to do it. Yeah, he presented the story in
a Rashomon style format, which is showing multiple perspectives
of what might have happened from, you know, different
people. Interesting.
Yeah. But Hollywood only ever
scratches the surface. What's harder to face is the
truth behind the flash. That these people, Billy
Deverell, Joy Miller, Barbara Richardson, and Ron Launius,

(49:55):
they weren't just victims of a drug deal gone wrong.
They were victims of a broken system of corruption, addiction
in a culture that blurred fantasy and reality until both
shattered. Also they're dumb as fuck.
Right, well that's a solid point, but they are victims.
But God everyone in this story is stupid.

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Maybe except for Nash, I guess, because he's like, he's in
charge, I suppose. John Holmes was more than just a
famous adult actor. He was a product of 1970s
Hollywood excess. At his peak, he was earning
thousands a week. But behind the camera, he was
insecure, lost, addicted, trapped in a persona he couldn't
sustain. And that's when fame dried up

(50:37):
and the drugs took over, right? He spiraled Into Darkness, into
Nash's world, into Wonderland. Damn, anything that has a good
name, horrible things happen at.Yeah, that's where there should
be like amusement parks, like horrible butt fuck place.
And you feel like this is the best one we ever had.
Decapitation land. Decapitation land.
No one's ever died or even stepped to tow there.

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No, his life became a cautionarytale about the cost of
celebrity, the destructiveness of addiction, and what happens
when survival means betrayal. To this day, no one can say for
certain whether he swung a lead pipe that night.
I mean. He did.
In his pants. Yeah, you know, some big cock
duck. Big, big cock duck.
But yeah, even though he wasn't swinging a hammer, which he was

(51:19):
also. Exactly.
But we get it. Yeah, but he wasn't killing
people with a lead pipe. Yeah, he still, you know, was
responsible for a lot. But he had a huge Dick.
But he didn't shoot it. He didn't.
He didn't hit anyone with a leadpipe.
Yeah. Even now, 40 years later, the
echoes of Wonderland remain. The street still exists, the
house still exists, and touristsstill walk past it every day.
Do people? I wouldn't.

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I don't want to live there. No, I mean I.
Wouldn't want to live there at all They.
Say when people get murdered in a house, it lowers the property.
Value I would imagine. Yeah, I wouldn't mind living in
some place like that. Yeah, that's just 'cause you
don't want to pay full price fora house.
Yeah, you know, And then I could, you know, have parties
and be like, this is where people got murdered.

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Do you? See that?
That's where John Holmes, that'swhere he put his hand print?
I don't know. My head boy.
My houses with less dead memory but I guess most houses have had
dead bodies in them but it depends on how on how they die.
That's true. That puts a bow on it, so
that'll take us too. Final thoughts Who would have

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thought the world of pornographycould lead somebody down a dark
and dangerous path? John Holmes, Definitely a
cautionary tale as, as Kyle said, just be careful what you
wish for. And also remember that there's
hope out there. If you are addicted to drugs or
whatever it is, you can turn your life around.

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But you got to kind of do it before you aid in a bet in the
murder of four people. Yeah.
Yeah, you got to kind of tone itdown before then and just.
Do a little out of hand. Yeah, because if you do enough
cocaine just to like, feel, feela little good that, you know, to
each their own. But when you start doing enough
to be like, oh, I'm gonna start murdering people and letting
people inside houses and we're gonna fucking fuck this guy over

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and then I'm gonna get fucked over and then we're not gonna go
to jail. It's not good.
I I really do hate to say this, but you got to kind of gauge
your activities by your banking account.
Yes. So if like all of a sudden
you're like, I don't have enoughmoney, you got to start cutting
things out. And the first thing you have to
cut out is the drugs. Yeah, the alcohol so you can get

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a house to live in. Exactly.
And do you hear that? What is that?
You've got mail, woohoo. Opening up the mailbox, opening
up the package. Oh, what is it?
We've got Spotify mail. All right, Spotify Mail.
On Batman's shadow, how Adam West reclaimed his legacy, we

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got a lot of good comments. Also Adam West I've been re
watching celebrity deathmatch. Yes Adam West he won the number
he was the best Batman. Oh really?
Yes, Adam West is in Celebrity Deathmatch, which is a fantastic
claymation show. So he was everywhere in culture.
Wow. We had Tyler, he wrote.
The gentle giant part was hilarious.
Ben's setting the record straight subtly.

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Thank you. It wasn't subtle.
It was. Don't fucking call me the Gentle
Giant. Yeah, I'll bunk you on the head.
Because Big Dick Burt Ward has his dog rescue.
It was the gentle giant dog rescue.
Yeah, I love that for Burt. I love dogs.
I know I I I know. I do like that.
Yeah. That's cute.
Vintage Chic by Bab said. My mother's side of the family
is from Walla Walla. My mom and stepdad both worked

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at Walla Walla State Penn AKA the Iron Mama the.
Iron Mama, that's scary. I like that during COVID they
floated the idea of letting GaryRidgway out because he's old and
they didn't want him to get. Sick.
No, no, no, no, no, no. Gary Ridgway stays.
That man is real bad. Yeah God, what the fuck?
COVID. How are they going to let Gary

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Ridgway out And then forced us to be in our houses?
God Covad was horrible. Yeah, you know, so that was the
craziest thing. God, as seen by Dave, said Big
Dick. Burt Ward own the dog rescue.
It's in Norco, CA, not far from where he grew up.
It's called the Gentle Giants Rescue because he only takes
small Dick giant dogs so no one can over shadow him.

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Arf. ARF indeed.
Yeah, so thank you to everybody that wrote in, thank you to
everybody on Patreon that's beensupporting us.
It's, you know, patreon.com/die Bud, Death and Entertainment and
OK Bud have joined forces again.Two podcasts for one Patreon.
Absolutely. And we're talking with someone
to build like a set for us. Yeah.
So we're going to get it all kind of nice looking.

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Jerry Aquino from OK Bud recommended that.
Yeah. And because she's.
She got the female touch. That's right.
Because we would just do this ina sewer.
Yeah, of course. You're like, Daddy, who cares
what it looks like? Got microphones.
We got microphones. We're good.
But that does make a lot of sense because it seems like
that's what everyone in Hollywood does.
Not that I ever want to be like anyone in fucking Hollywood.
Right, Because they are, they hate, they hate themselves,

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right? They really do out here.
Anyway, thank you all so much for listening.
As Kyle said, keep on supportingthe shows.
Hail yourself and until next week.
Don't go dying on us. Bye bye.
You have just heard a true Hollywood murder mystery.
I have never seen anything like this before.
The movies, Broadway, music, television, all of it.

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A place that manufacturers nightmares.
OK, everybody, that's a wrap. Good night, please drive home
carefully and come back again soon.