Hilda Ladrada Gore: Awakening Vibrant Health Through Ancient Practices and Spiritual Insights

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Holistic Labrada Gore, also known as Holistic Hilda, graces us with her boundless energy and depth of wisdom, inviting us into a world where ancestral health and modern living harmonize beautifully. Imagine a life where vitality is your birthright, a concept brought to life through Hilda’s experiences as the host of Wise Traditions and her work as an experiential anthropologist. From overcoming a challenging heart defect to journeying across continents, she shares stories illuminating the path to embracing ancient wisdom and finding spiritual connections in unexpected places.

Join us as we navigate the compelling intersection of faith and alternative healing methods. Hilda and I take a deep dive into how spiritual beliefs can coexist with the world of energy medicine, unraveling a tapestry of insights drawn from personal encounters and biblical teachings. We explore the delicate balance of maintaining personal convictions while remaining open to new perspectives through stories of engaging with diverse cultures, such as Hilda’s experience at the Inti Raymi festival in Ecuador. The dialogue underscores the value of approaching different belief systems with respect and curiosity, revealing universal truths that transcend cultural boundaries.

As our conversation unfolds, the focus shifts towards practical steps for weaving a holistic lifestyle into the fabric of everyday life. Hilda introduces her transformative health coaching program, "The Holistic Hub," which is designed to provide a supportive community for those eager to integrate ancestral practices into their routines. From advocating for morning sunlight to recalibrating circadian rhythms to sharing the wisdom of quantum health experts, we explore simple, accessible habits that promise a lifetime of well-being. This episode is an inspiring call to action, urging listeners to reclaim health through the wisdom of our ancestors and the nurturing connections of the present.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 41.
My guest today is the inspiring, charming and down-to-earth
Hilda Labradagor, also known asHolistic Hilda.
She is perhaps best known asthe host of the Wise Traditions
podcast, which has about 500episodes at this point and, as
you can imagine, you don'tinterview that many people

(00:20):
without having your thinkingstretched and nuanced.
So, in addition to being apodcast host, hilda is also a
world-class health coach.
She speaks Spanish, plays theguitar, she has a wife and a
mother of four, and on herwebsite she says she even has
energy to spare thanks to herlove of sunshine and the
liverwurst which that isdefinitely the first time I've
ever used the word liverwurst inan introduction.

(00:42):
But as she talks you can hearthat energy and you can tell
that she has a love for life anda love for learning.
And then when you hear thestory behind the person which is
where we started off theepisode she's even more
remarkable.
I won't spoil it, but she didnot have an easy childhood and
it was just such a treat for meto interview her.
One because of just how muchour work overlaps, but two,

(01:04):
since we both come from aChristian perspective.
It led us into a conversationabout how we've learned to
navigate this popular world ofso-called energy medicine.
I've had it in mind for over ayear now to eventually do a
series I'll call A ChristianPerspective on Energy Medicine,
and I guess you could think ofthis topic or this episode as
your teaser.
There's just so much more Iwant to say about this topic,

(01:26):
but really what was fun for meas the host is that Hilda is
also an amazing storyteller.
She has traveled all over theworld and did a great job using
stories from her travels.
So, true to form, if you like,having your thinking stretched.
Welcome to another conversationwith a kind, level-headed
person who can help you findbetter answers.
There are a lot of differentways to pursue health, so here's

(01:49):
to having discernment as younavigate your options to find
the vibrant health that is yourbirthright.
With that said, welcome to myconversation with a beautiful
soul, hilda Labrador.
All right, well, hello everyone.
Welcome to today's show.
My guest is the one and onlyHilda Labrador.
A little Well, hello everyone.
Welcome to today's show.
My guest is the one and onlyHilda Labrador.
A little bit about her.
Hilda is certified by theInstitute for Integrative

(02:10):
Nutrition as a health coach.
So fellow health coach, love it.
She is the host of the wildlypopular Wise Traditions Podcasts
, which she hosts and producesfor the Weston Price Foundation.
And, by the way, as I told her,I am insanely jealous of the
number of people you've beenable to interview Almost 500
episodes by now and 14 milliondownloads.
There's just I wish I coulddownload that knowledge into my
brain.

(02:30):
But a few more things about her.
So she is the director andproducer of Holistic Hilda
Productions.
So she creates manydocumentaries to highlight
ancestral wisdom and she has herown YouTube channel called
Holistic Hilda.
She says you could think of heras Dora the Explorer 2.0, which
if you could see her posingthat would be great.

(02:51):
So Hilda has traveled to Kenyaand Peru and Australia and
Ecuador and Mongolia, ethiopiaand more, exploring indigenous
practices for optimal well-being.
I love that because you don'tjust sit behind your computer
waiting to see what the expertssay about health.
You're actually going out thereand seeing what real people are
doing.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
A hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, Okay.
Well, she describes herself asan experiential anthropologist,
ancestral health advocate,educator and content creator.
She's a speaker at conferences,events and hosts various
ancestral tours and retreats and, appropriately, she is
synthesizing her work from thelast 10 years into a book.
So I can't wait for that.
I really, I genuinely don'tknow if I could think of anybody

(03:31):
in the health world who's gotmore breadth of experience in
the holistic health arena thanyou do.
So welcome to the show.
I'm delighted to have you.
Thank you for taking the time.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Oh, christian, I'm thrilled too.
You know, I feel like you do.
Whether we're the guest or thehost, we're always learning
something right.
We have that curiosity, which Ithink helps us grow and then
apply the bits and pieces thatare relevant to our lives and to
live more fully.
I just I love my job, I love toask questions, and so I'm
grateful that you have me in theguest seat today.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Well, thank you.
Yeah, I can't wait to ask youthe one thing.
Question later We'll get tothat, so let's just step back
and go to the beginning.
So on your website, youmentioned that there's not one
picture of you as a baby.
So tell people why that is Wow.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
I just feel like I understand how precious life is
Christian, because I almostdidn't make it.
My parents, I don't think, tooka single baby picture of me
because they didn't think I wasgoing to make it either.
Basically, I was born with abirth defect.
The short story is the doctorsdidn't notice anything at first,
but as they started to listento my heart more closely, they
noticed there was a hole or aheart murmur.

(04:35):
The blood was flowing betweenthe lower two ventricles in a
direction in which it shouldn'tflow.
Babies with my condition areoften called blue babies because
their blood isn't oxygenatingproperly, and so they monitor me
closely.
At that time, they actuallydidn't have the technology to be
able to perform surgery until Iwas older, so they just watched
me for years, and then I wasnine years old by the time.

(04:56):
They finally performed openheart surgery to sew up that
hole, and that's what gave me anew lease on life.
At that time, they said to meyou can do whatever you want.
I was like, oh my gosh, what doI want to do?
Well, first I wanted to thankGod because I felt like he
spared me in the womb it couldhave been so much worse.
And then he used the surgeon'sskill to fix my heart.
But then, secondly, I wanted tomake my body stay as strong and

(05:20):
last as long as possible, andthen to help other people do the
same.
So this shaky start to my lifereally set the course for the
direction of my life.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Right on.
Well, you said on your sitethat you went from skinny,
scared and limited to becomingstrong, self-assured and
limitless.
So tell us about thattransformation.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Well, because I know we're fellow believers, I'll
just be straight up with you.
It didn't happen overnight,number one, but number two a
skinny, scared and limited kidneeded some kind of supernatural
help.
So I had a best friend whosefamily was Catholic.
She was one of eight kids andwhenever I spent the night at

(05:58):
her house on Saturday night,they're like okay, we're going
to church on Sunday morning.
And I didn't know much about it, I just knew that it felt so
right in my spirit to go tochurch.
I was like I love this.
And so after my surgery, adoctor actually remarked to me.
She said you know, the crossmight not have been like this,
like a T, it might've been likea capital T, and that's exactly

(06:20):
the shape of the scar on mychest.
And she said that's what you'vegot.
And I was like I felt like Godmarked me.
So I believed early on.
I was like I believe in Jesus.
I need a love stronger than myparents love, because they
divorced when I was about 11, acouple years after the surgery.
So it was all very shaky andvery scary.
So I needed a firm foundationand that's when I turned to

(06:42):
faith in God, and so that wasalso part of my life's
trajectory, so it wasn't justhelping people with a physical,
it was helping people with aspiritual.
I was a worship leader foryears, a Bible study leader,
vacation Bible school volunteer.
My husband and I worked forYoung Life.
So I really think these gotogether because we're not just
flesh and bones.
But, interestingly, I'm nowfocused more on the physical

(07:04):
health because I see that as aministry as well, and when I was
finishing up my years ofworship leading, my pastor said
if you don't leave, hildy, hesaid I'm going to kick you out.
And I was like wait, what Did Ido something wrong?
He's like no, he could seeGod's fingerprints and blessing
on what I was doing with thepodcast and he was like you go
and God is going to use you.
And, by the way, jesus healedpeople physically too right.

(07:27):
So I know that the physical hereand now matters to him as well.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Wow.
Well, how does it I wouldn't?
Before I get ahead of myself, Iwant to make sure I close at
least an open loop in my ownhead.
So you had a doctor with asurgery going to rescue you in
some ways.
How is it that you escaped kindof the medical pharmaceutical
hamster wheel?
Because it could have been oh,they saved my life.
I just need whatever they tellme and I'm just going to
endlessly follow that.
Somehow you broke out of that.

(07:52):
What kept you from going thatroute?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, that's a very interesting question.
I think I just had I don't know, I don't want to just say a
healthy skepticism, because itwasn't just that.
I think it was because I hadthis surgery and I spent a lot
of time in hospitals beingmonitored, getting EKGs and
x-rays.
I was like I want as little todo with that as possible.

(08:18):
As a matter of fact, during thetime of my surgery and my
visits there for pre and postsurgery observations, there was
the 14th floor, which was aplace for children to go for
games and crafts, and I wasforever going up to the 14th
floor and I remember one nurseor doctor was like why are you

(08:39):
always signing out and going upthere?
And I was thinking well,actually I didn't even know why,
but now I know it's because Ididn't want to be stuck in a
room with a gown on and havingneedles stuck up my arm, you
know.
So I think that's what pushedme into how can I shore up my
body naturally?
And so, even when I was going tohave my four kids, I had four
kids in five years.

(08:59):
I didn't know anything aboutspacing, by the way, but I was
like I'm going to have themnaturally, I don't want an IV in
my arm which can lead topitocin and then later an
epidural, like all theseinterventions.
I was like, no, I'm going tosuck on ice chips, I'm going to
have them without any meds.
I just had a feeling, andprobably it was really God led,
but I was like I'm just going todo my best to have this.
Naturally.

(09:19):
People have been having babiessince the beginning of time,
without any interventions.
It's not a sickness.
Why do we need to go with thehospital in the first place,
right?
So I was making choices basedon my intuition and, I think,
god's guidance.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Right on.
Well, that's great, and I wasgoing to highlight it.
Just sounds like there was aninstinct that said something's
off about this and there's gotto be a better path than walking
around with a breezy gown andcrinkle paper and needles in my
mouth.
So right, Okay 100%.
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
I had had my fill by nine, I was like, okay, I'm done
, I'm done, baby.
So I started working out, youknow.
And then, of course, I foundthe Weston A Price Foundation,
which is about eatingancestrally like what has served
humanity well and looking tothat as opposed to the latest
and greatest improvements onwhat nature and God have given
us.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Right, okay, well, let's blend those two.
So when did you first come upwith the name Holistic Hilda and
kind of know you wanted to makeyour mark there?
And when did you come acrossthe work of Dr Weston Price?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Great question.
So for me, the first thing Ithought I wanted to help people
do is just to stay strongphysically.
So I taught exercise classesand get this.
A friend of mine called theorganization I worked for,
jumping Jacks for Jesus.
It was not.
It was not Jumping Jacks forJesus, it was called Body and
Soul Fitness, but it did combinethe physical and the spiritual.
I loved it.

(10:35):
We would start classes withprayer, we would work out to
worship music.
I was like this is awesome, andit was.
I didn't give a second thoughtto other aspects of wellbeing
not being outside, not gettingmy feet on the ground face to
the sun, none of the things thatI so love now until a dear
friend of mine became sick andshe said to me oh my gosh, hilda

(10:55):
, like all the conventionaldoctors, don't have answers for
me.
She had chronic fatigue,basically, and she met Sally
Fallon Morrell, the president ofthe Weston A Price Foundation,
at a health fair and Sally saidlook back for good health today.
Basically, in essence, she saidyou need to look to the past,
don't look to the modern science, because they're catching up to
traditional wisdom.
So my friend started to shifther diet and started to see

(11:17):
improvements and I thought whydidn't I think of this before?
Here?
I was, as I told you, moving inthe direction of natural stuff
in terms of the childbirth andthe exercise, but it hadn't
occurred to me that theprocessed foods might also not
be doing me any favors.
So I started making that shift,probably really really 20 years
ago or so, and then, when Istarted getting closer to the

(11:40):
Weston A Price Foundation, theysent me to Kenya.
Oh my gosh, so many stories Ican tell you.
But the bottom line is, as I wasdeveloping the podcast and my
own website too, because I wasworking part-time for the
foundation and part-time on myown I was at first going to name
my website something likeHolistic Health Network and my
website guy was like Hilda, thatsounds like an HMO that is not

(12:01):
going to work.
Holistic Health Network he'sright, actually He'd be a great
HMO.
And I said well, a friend ofmine in the podcasting space, he
calls me Holistic Hilda.
And my friend was like that'sit, holistic Hilda.
And I like the alliterationI've always been a word girl I
used to be a translator, so I'mall about words.
I love writing.
But then I was like, oh my gosh, it fits me so perfectly.

(12:21):
Because the more people I'veinterviewed Christian, and the
more travels I've taken and thatstarted about 2016 or 2015, the
more I've come to realize thathealth isn't single-faceted,
it's multifaceted.
It's like a diamond and ofcourse, there are seasons of our
life, but I suggest we reallyconsider all the different
factors, like relationships andhow much time we spend in nature

(12:44):
and our stress levels, and allthe things play a part in our
well-being.
It is not just one thing or theother and, as much as I see,
food and even movement isfoundational.
I know that there's much moreto the puzzle.
So I'm so glad my friend dubbedme Holistic Hilda.
That's the name of my websitetoo, and now I've got
information on there thatcomplements the work of the
Weston A Price FoundationBecause, like I said, I work for

(13:06):
them part-time and kind of onmy own as a content creator.
Dora the Explorer 2.0 on my own.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Fantastic.
I love that on so many levels.
Anybody that has listened to myshow knows how I like to think
holistically as well, and mental, emotional, physical, spiritual
and I've been at this almost aslong as you, about 2005, and
you can't separate them anymore.
They're just the same puzzleand once you kind of metabolize
that, it's so much quicker to goto the heart of the matter with
people.
And there are so many medicinalthings spirituality, food,

(13:35):
movement, sleep, water, sunshine, et cetera that are so easy to
deploy, but anyway.
So comments on that.
But I do want to hear yourthoughts and define a couple
terms here on what is ancestralhealth and for people who don't
know who Weston Price is, tellthem that.
So we kind of have that as thecontext for the rest of our
discussion.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah.
So I think ancestral health isliving as naturally and as close
to nature as possible.
Connected maybe I would justsay with God and our neighbor
and nature.
Nobody has a trademark on that.
There's the paleo movement.
That has to do with food.

(14:13):
There's the Weston, a PriceFoundation.
That's about food farming andthe healing arts, but it's kind
of a lifestyle and I think inthe past people might have
called it, you know, crunchy orhippie.
It's the idea that you know ouranswers don't come in a pill or
prescription, in a program orfrom a physician.
Really, good health is ourbirthright and it's something

(14:35):
that you cultivate like a garden.
In Western medicine we see thebody as a battleground.
We're going to fight cancer,we're going to fight ALS you
know breast cancer awareness andlike we want to fight all the
time.
But what if, instead of havingthat oppositional posture, we
had a posture more like that ofEastern medicine, like let's
cultivate good health and seewhat flourishes, you know, let's

(14:58):
put in all the good inputs,like I said, from the sun, from
getting our feet on the ground,from positive relationships and
forgiveness and good food andall the things, and watch what
flourishes.
I think we're too much honestlyChristian in a reactive mode as
opposed to an active mode, andwhat I mean by that is we wait
until we have a pain and thenwe're like, oh, what pill can I

(15:18):
pop for that?
We're looking for a quick fix.
What if, instead of waiting forthe pain and that message to be
, our bodies whisper to us like,hey, you need to get some help
here.
What if we instead took ourhealth into our own hands and
took steps to make sure ourstress levels were balanced, our
relationships were positive,we're picking the best food we

(15:38):
can within our budget to nourishourselves?
I think we'd be less likely tobe dealing with the pain.
The pain is simply the bodytelling us, hey, something's up.
And that's when we startlistening.
But it'd be great if we couldavoid that altogether.
So I guess, to answer yourquestion about ancestral health,
like I said, nobody has thecorner on the market, but I
think the idea is to live asnaturally as possible with as
few interventions as possible.
My goal right now is to stayout of the hospital for the rest

(16:01):
of my life.
You know, I don't even want togo there to die.
I'd rather just you know, diescuba diving or something.
But to answer the question ofWeston Price, so he is a man
who's often overlooked as ahealth pioneer and the cool
thing is it's not like he's thehero of the story Christian.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
He found the heroes all over the world, the people
living as I just described.
He took it upon himself in the1930s to travel the world.
He got National Geographicmagazine and he was like where
the heck are these people?
I'm just putting it in myvernacular.
But he's like what has happened?
These people look amazing.
They have beautiful teeth,broad smiles, great facial

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structure, good posture.
They look happy and fertile andstrong and resilient.
And the people I'm seeing in myclinic in Ohio because he was a
dentist and a researcher he'slike these kids have crowded
teeth, they have cavities, theyhave poor posture, poor hearing,
poor behavior.
So he's like I got to go findout what's happening.
So, literally he grabbed hiswife, florence, by the hand and
for 10 years, every summer theywould travel to a new place.

(17:03):
They went to Switzerland andthe South Sea, pacific Islands
and Scotland and Alaska andKenya and Ecuador.
They were all over the placeand he was looking for the
people that were livinguntouched by modern lifestyles
and diet, and he was curiousabout what they were eating,
exactly what was making them sostrong and fertile and resilient

(17:24):
.
And of course, as you canimagine, the diets were
different everywhere.
So in Switzerland it was likedairy and butter and maybe
sourdough bread, and in Kenya itwas milk and meat and blood,
and in Alaska it was seafood.
So they were very different,but they all had things in
common.
And basically this was thethesis or the premise for his
book, nutrition and PhysicalDegeneration.

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And so he carefully documentedwhat they were eating.
He sent their food back to hislab in Ohio for analysis and he
found out that everyone waseating local, seasonal, organic,
traditional foods.
So there wasn't any flour orsugar or vegetable oils.
It was not canned foods, it wasall like single ingredient

(18:05):
foods, foods that yourgrandparents would recognize as
food right.
And so he wrote this book and hewas able to document how
beautiful and happy and strongthe people looked compared to
those with the same bloodlineswho had left their traditional
diets and started to incorporate.
Even in his day they could getflour and sugar and all these
things, and they started tonotice their own health

(18:27):
deteriorate and the nextgeneration significantly also
started to have conditions thatweren't good.
They were not living their best, healthiest, optimal birthright
lives.
They had narrower faces thatwere a sign that they weren't
getting the nutrition in uterothat they needed and then they
would have conditions and soforth.
So fascinating, fascinatingwork.
And all of this is the basisfor the foundation in his name

(18:50):
today.
So it's called the Weston APrice Foundation and I host and
produce the podcast WiseTraditions, and it's been my
privilege.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Okay, and just to hear the breadth of podcasts
you've been able to cover inFood Farming and the Healing
Arts what a tome of a resource.
If you guys have not listenedto this podcast, you're missing
out.
I would honestly say it's myfavorite show out there.
There's just so much wisdom onit.
But you also had the like.
You got the travel bug at somepoint, the itch to follow in his

(19:17):
footsteps.
So tell us a little bit aboutyour travels, what you've seen,
maybe some of the biggestlessons that have stood out to
you.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I have so many beautiful stories to tell you I
hardly know where to start, butI will start with the first one.
So in 2015, this is when I wasstill a volunteer for the
foundation.
I was a chapter leader.
They were like we're lookingfor two volunteers to go to
Kenya.
They said because a Maasaiwarrior contacted us and he said
please send someone over, we'reall getting sick.
Getting sick.

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A Maasai warrior.
These are the ones that aretall and, you know, hail and
hearty, the ones Dr Price hadseen so many years ago.
He said I have diabetes.
This warrior said my wife hasasthma.
He had seen the physicaldegeneration of his own people,
his own tribe, his own village,and he was like send someone
over.
He's like I can tell them, butthey're probably not going to
listen to me.
You know, the Bible says he'snot welcome in his own hometown.
So I raised my hand.
I was like I'll go, and someoneelse volunteered, so off we

(20:10):
went in 2015.
And it was so beautiful becauseI had the privilege of saying
don't eat the American way, forgoodness sakes.
I was like eat your way whathas served you.
Well, since you can rememberand I just I can't get over I
remember vividly being with thisMaasai tribe when they

(20:31):
slaughtered a goat and the waythey did it was a little boy he
must not have been older than 12, covered the goat's snout to
suffocate it in like a veryhumane way.
He was like, okay, we'reslaughtering this goat.
I don't, I hope they weren'tjust doing it for me, but anyway
, they slaughtered the goat,they cut it open.
I saw the Maasai drinking theblood.
We put its fat like over alittle fire and we were
literally sitting around chewingthe fat, squatting.

(20:52):
I was like, oh my gosh.
So this tribe was still livingaccording to its tradition,
except they had started to seethe influx of the flour and the
sugar.
At one point I was eating with aMaasai woman.
She was wearing her colorfulgarb, the beaded jewelry, all
the things In one hand.
She had a chai tea laden withsugar and in the other, I
promise you, it was a whitebread jam sandwich.

(21:14):
And I was like, oh no, so thisis what had led to the physical
deterioration or degenerationthat my friend Dixon, this
warrior, had noticed.
Well, anyway.
So when I was there, I had theprivilege of talking to a Maasai
elder and as he came up, Ipromise you also, he was like
nearly 100 years old, if notover 100.
We were kind of doing the mathbehind his back, because some

(21:36):
tribes don't keep track of age.
We're like, okay, he was herewhen the tea came to Kenya.
We were like making all thesenotes, but anyway, and I was
like I have to ask this manquestions.
So I grabbed my iPhone, notbeing a podcaster yet, but I was
like I'm going to interview him.
Basically, I hit voice memo andthrough a translator or two,
like I would talk in English,someone would translate it into

(21:57):
Swahili, someone else wouldtranslate it into Ma, and then
Ole Sanku the elder would liketalk back.
And anyway, through a kind oftelephone translation situation,
I asked him what was your dietlike as a child?
What did you do when you gotsick, you know, and just all
these questions.
And he said our diet waswhatever we could catch.
That's what he said literally.

(22:17):
They were hunters, right, andthey were nomadic.
So he was like, if we could geta rhino, great, if we could get
a hippo, fine.
I mean, whatever they couldcatch.
He?
He said maybe some wild berriesand honey, but that was the
extent of the diet, he said.
And then when I said, well,what did you do when you got
sick?
He said we never got sick.
And I was shocked.
You could have picked my jaw upoff the dirt floor of the hut.

(22:39):
You know, I was just like what.
And then he said yeah, if weever felt like a shiver coming
on, he said we would just drinkmilk from the cow and he
demonstrated it drinkingstraight from the udder.
He showed me we would drink fromthe cow and I was like, oh.
And then I was like, well, whyare your grandchildren being
told?
Cause?
He's like my grandchildren arebeing told wear a jacket, it's

(23:00):
getting cold.
He's like we didn't havejackets and they're being told
get a shot because disease iscoming, but we didn't have shots
.
Like he was talking to me allthese things, I said what is the
difference?
Now?
And he said education.
And I was like oh, so that wasinteresting.
In other words, as like thegovernment has come in to kind
of educate the Maasai.
Unfortunately, I think, there'sthis natural erosion that

(23:22):
happens if not accidental orunintentional erasure that's
happening of their own culturalpractices and kind of a
replacement or displacement ofthose by saying, well, that's
how your grandparents did it,but this is what we do today.
And you didn't use fertilizer,but we do, and this is what we
recommend.
You know that kind of thing.
So, oh my gosh, so fascinatingconversation.
That's what propelled me.

(23:42):
I was like, oh my goodness, sothe Weston, a Price Foundation,
lifts up ancient wisdom.
I was like I've got to see ifthey want to have a podcast and
I will host and produce it.
So that was the catalyst.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
And when I came back and asked Sally.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
She said, okay, go for it.
And now what's kind of cool is?
We do lift up indigenous voices.
I've had Dixon on the show, anAboriginal woman, people all
over the world, an Ecuadorianmidwife.
But we also talk to experts whounderstand that ancient wisdom
is the way to go, and that's why, as you have suggested, the

(24:15):
podcast doesn't just encompass,let's say, kind of paleo or
primal ways of eating, butencompasses mindset and energy,
work and the importance of beingin nature, and there's just so
much that plays into ourwell-being.
So I'm so happy that, yeah, thescope is exactly food farming
and the healing arts for thepodcast, but that encompasses a

(24:36):
lot as well.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, it does, and I think that story may be better
defined ancestral health orancestral wisdom than attempting
to put it to words.
Just tell a story and like, oh,now I get it, like the
ancestral wisdom in that elderthat you talked about.
He knew what to do, but we'veit's.
I mean, it's such a you couldapply this lens to so many
cultural phenomenon we havewalked away from and lost

(24:59):
traditions that were actuallyedifying and nourishing and
holistic and so many otherbeautiful things.
For this commercialized wisdomcoming, whether it's government
or teachers, and it's that youcould.
You, you physically saw that inthe erosion in the people in
front of you, juxtaposed againstthis elder who's over a hundred

(25:20):
or whatever, who has got robusthealth, and you're like some
we've met somewhere.
We took a wrong turn here.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Absolutely.
And I have to tell anotherquick story of Australia because
that made a big impression onme too.
So I got to meet with thiswoman.
She calls herself an ancestralwhisperer, suzanne Thompson.
She's of the Inangai tribe,because just like Native
Americans in the US have a lotof different tribes, so so do
the aboriginal people.
So she invited me outside ofBarcalda, in this town in the

(25:47):
Northern territories there inAustralia, to visit this land.
And, oh my gosh, christian like.
She showed me places where theAboriginal people had put
stencils on, like these cavewalls, like made of blood and
urine and spit, and they wouldmix it up in their mouth and
they would kind of almostinstead of a spray paint can
they would like spray it withtheir mouths around the hand.
They would leave a handprintand the rock was so porous it

(26:10):
would absorb that kind ofnatural paint.
And it's still there to thisday.
Anyway, it was, it blew my mind, and of course there were emus
sketched up there and kangaroosand all kinds of things.
But anyway, but I'll neverforget, sitting on the hillside
overlooking this land with myfriend Suzanne and she said
Hilda side.
Overlooking this land with myfriend Suzanne and she said,

(26:30):
hilda, this is our grocery store, or this was our grocery store.
And I was like, oh my gosh,contrasting that with in that
same country in Australia.
I got to go to this town calledManingrida, which, for lack of a
better descriptor, I will callkind of a almost like an
Aboriginal reservation of sorts,and people told me you really

(26:51):
don't want to go there, it'svery difficult to go there.
But I was like no, I want to gothere, I want to go there.
So I got permission to go in.
It was very limited where Icould go because basically they
didn't want outsiders to comeand observe and, you know, kind
of infiltrate in the people'sculture there and stuff.
But I couldn't help but noticethere was one grocery store in

(27:11):
this town.
It was right next to the HastyTasty, which is as bad as it
sounds.
It was like a 7-Eleven and,believe it or not, I bought some
fish and chips there because Iwas really hungry.
I was kind of desperate myself.
But anyway, when I was there thecashier said are you visiting?
Obviously I was visiting.
I was like, yeah, she goes.
Why on earth would you come toManingrida?
And it was so clear she wasdepressed.

(27:33):
And then I went in the grocerystore and all they had was like
those little, like fakeKool-Aids you'll see at
7-Elevens, and canned foods andboxed foods, and I thought we've
removed these people from theirtraditions where the grocery
store was their immediatesurroundings, where they would
fish and do all these things,and we put them in this place.
Of course they're depressed, Imean, it shocked me, but I

(27:54):
learned, yeah, I learned a lotthat day and I continue to learn
about the importance of yes,tapping the wisdom of those who
are still willing to share itand recognizing that we're meant
to be a part of nature, notapart from nature.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Fantastic, what a story, and you kind of set me up
well for another thing I wantto talk to you about.
There's so many topics that youand I both looked into and we
got a long run doing it.
So we've talked nutrition andhealing modalities and detox and
what, but there's this buddingkind of cultural conversation
going on right now aboutso-called energy medicine, and I
don't have the breadth oftravel experience or interviews

(28:29):
you've done, but there's so manydifferent perspectives on that,
and you and I both come from aChristian perspective.
So, since you've mentioned it acouple of times, I want to kind
of just see what kind of filterthat we both see and hear
through, and so you neither.
But we can't stay in the healthworld very long without coming
across what I guess I would justcall the woo-woo in the health
world, and there's this broadcategory of purported healing

(28:52):
modalities that can fit underenergy medicine, and so you and
I both know there are plenty ofinvisible things that impact our
health, and EMF is an easyexample, right, but what the
hell is your filter?
How do you separate out kind ofwhat I call the fluffy woo-woo,
the new age spiritualism, andnot also throw out the baby with
the bathwater and maybeinerrantly dismiss genuinely

(29:14):
powerful healing modalities?
How has your thinking becomemore nuanced about that over the
years?

Speaker 2 (29:19):
That is a great question.
So, just as Sally said, modernscience is catching up to
traditional wisdom.
I think the same is true in theenergy category.
And let me explain.
I'll never forget when I was inMexico and I got to connect
with Dr Rashid Buttar, who mayhe rest in peace.
I know he was outspoken duringCOVID and that might have

(29:41):
actually led to his demise, butthat's another story and perhaps
a conspiracy theory.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
What.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I want to tell you is this Rashid was demonstrating
to me that he had a bracelet.
He's like look at this bracelethe goes what we can do with this
bracelet is tell people at aheadquarters in Texas and I
don't know how he set this upexactly, it was almost like a
Fitbit, let's just say he's likewe can tell people on
headquarters in Texas that weneed more love or peace or joy

(30:07):
or whatever he goes, and thenthey'll send that energy to us
through this bracelet.
And I was like I didn't saythis to him, christian, but I
was thinking okay, that's prayer.
Basically.
That's prayer he is askingsomeone on another part of the
planet to send energy his way.
And so I was like I think, youknow, this woo-woo world is only

(30:28):
catching up to Christianity.
They are recognizing that thereare other forces at play when
it comes to well-being, that weare not just flesh and bone.
So, though they may call it bya different name, I personally,
as a Christian, am notthreatened by it, because I see
it as a step closer to myunderstanding of the work of the

(30:50):
Holy Spirit, of the fact thatwe are a body of Christ.
It says in 1 Corinthians 12 andRomans 12, I believe.
So I think we are moreconnected than we realize.
You know, I don't really I guessI wouldn't buy into the
language of you know we'reraising the collective
consciousness like that doessound woo, woo, but what those

(31:11):
people are really trying to sayis that the way we relate to one
another matters.
So if you let's just put it invery plain layman's terms if you
had a bad day and you'reaggravated and you're stressed
and you come home and you kindof unload and say some unkind
words to your wife, and then shesaid something kind of edgy or

(31:32):
snappy to one of the kids andthen the kid does it to the dog
that energy isn't just confinedor shared in your household.
There's something about what'shappening there that is
affecting the larger world, yourChristian brothers and sisters,
and I would say everyone,because now I'm not getting the
phone call from you where you'rechecking in with me because
you're in a bad mood, you know,and so and we all know these

(31:53):
things, whether we're Christiansor not like we can walk in a
room and sense that there'stension if a fight just happened
, not because anyone has saidanything, but we can feel it
right.
So I think as Christians wetend to be too quick to dismiss,
I would say, not threatening toour worldview, but also a

(32:14):
reality.
So I just finished revisitingEileen McKusick's book I think
it's called Electric Body,electric Health, and she talks
about I did interview her on thepodcast, by the way, and she's
big on biofield tuning, liketaking a tuning fork to kind of
measure the energy of your bodyand determine where there's
stuck trauma.
And again, this might belabeled woo-woo, but I can't

(32:37):
forget, when I was nine yearsold, and before and after before
that surgery, how the doctorswould use electrocardiograms or
EKG tests to check on the rhythmof my heart.
It was measuring theelectricity of my body or
something that can't quite bequantified in other ways.
And then you can also get thesame kind of thing for your

(32:58):
brain.
And what about the MRI Like?
What kind of scans are theydoing of our physical bodies
that involve electromagneticfields?
So I think both science andancestral wisdom and our own
experience as Christians tell usthat there's more to us than
meets the eye and we don't needto be, I would say, alienated by

(33:19):
some of these understandings.
Now that also means for mepersonally, I'm not going to
subject myself necessarily toevery treatment that comes along
, because I don't know whatspirits might be called on to
release me from trauma,supposedly.
Or I have to be judicious, Iwould say, and this is where I

(33:41):
would hearken back to Psalm 46,10, that says be still and know
that I am God, because if I'mstill, I'm going to hear what
the Holy Spirit has to tell me.
And I also have to understand,christian, that there are places
in the Bible where it says somepeople will eat meat sacrificed
to idols and others will notbecause it's a matter of
conscience, right?
I think some Christians couldhave like a tuning fork, tuning

(34:05):
and be fine, and others are likethat's not going to work for me
and I think that's okay.
I think this is a little bit ofa gray area where people need
to listen to the Holy Spirit,but I think we're too quick to
say, oh that's herbalism, ohthat's witchcraft, and I think
that's a way to dismiss thingsthat are actually part of God's
plan for healing.
Because when I was in Ethiopiatwo summers ago, I was with some

(34:27):
tribes, people among the OmoValley there, and they would
point out, oh, that tree hasleaves that are good if we get
malaria, and that tree hassomething for yellow fever, and
they were not worshiping thetrees, but they knew that the
trees had something to offerthem that was healing.
And so I think we just have tobe very judicious as Christians
in terms of what we're going toget involved in, but also

(34:48):
recognize that God has placedthings around us to heal us and
that we are more than flesh andbone.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Man, what a great answer.
You may have to rewind thatpeople and go listen to it again
, because there's so many.
There's pearls, there'sprinciples in there, but let me
give you a few that have helpedme and see if you can add to it
or embellish it.
So a pastor said one time don'tjudge someone else's peace
which I thought was a great wayto say it.
Like we are going to havesomewhat different perspectives

(35:14):
or even levels of readiness, andthe Holy Spirit may say you're
not, that's not for you for now.
There may be something elsegoing on there.
But another pastor said thatevery ology is a subcategory of
theology, and I love thatbecause essentially what I think
I heard you saying is whateverwe're finding that we can
measure in this invisible realm,realm, whether it's magnetism

(35:35):
or light or motion or like thewavelengths, that yeah, we can
find and replicate that and it'spredictable and there's
something there.
But even though we can't see it, whatever that is that we're
finding, what it's doing ispointing us to the one that made
it and the, the creator of it,and something.
There's two major things that Isee where christians, or people
in general, get off track withtheir spiritualism relative to

(35:57):
energy, medicine or just thethings they let they entertain
in their mind, and one isconflating the creator with the
created.
We take these things that we canmeasure, and quantum energy or
whatnot, and we we say thatenergy is God or we are just one
with that, and they've blurredor erased the distinction

(36:18):
between us and God, as if we'reone thing and then, the other
big one that I see is the ideathat the things that we can
measure in that realm or theinsights somebody like a psychic
or other people might get, thatanything we can explore in that
realm is benevolent and doesn'thave an agenda maybe of evil or

(36:41):
to harm us.
It's not there to manipulate us.
It's only good.
And I think, recognizing thatthere's a real category of evil
and there's things God prohibitson purpose, divination and such
that he's very firm that thisis not for you to do, and the
recognition that we are not Godand that I don't need to worship
the stars or the trees.
I can worship the one who madeit and created that order and

(37:04):
stand in awe of that.
But those are just some of thethings that have helped me give
me some boundaries or navigatethis world.
But what would you add to that?
Or tweak or upgrade?

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I love those.
I love not to question someoneelse's peace, that all ologies
are under theology and thatwe're not God.
That's where some of my friendsbecause I do have a lot of
friends in this space who thinkdifferently than I do where they
I'm like okay, that's a linefor me.
I think it's good to know whereyour convictions stand and,
again, to keep seeking God todetermine where they are.
When they're like well, we'reall one and we're all God and

(37:37):
I'm like okay, if I'm God, we'rein trouble because I am not God
.
I did not create that tree outthere, or you.
I do believe we are made in hisimage and I do believe that he
has given us, as children of God, the ability to influence the

(37:57):
things around us.
I will say you know, peopledon't.
Sometimes we'll call itco-creation and that might be
giving us, you know, more creditthan we're due.
But I do think we have animpact on the people around us
and so we need to be very, veryattuned.
I would say so keep seeking God.
You know he says ask and itwill be given to you.

(38:20):
Seek and you shall find, knockand the door will be opened to
you.
So this is why I let mycuriosity or let God use my
curiosity to lead me, but I alsoam careful to make sure I know
where I stand.
A quick story I do want to tellyou, though, is too, I'm not
threatened by other people'sbelief systems, because I think
sometimes I can learn from theirdedication, from their
expression of faith, and I hopethat they can learn from mine.

(38:41):
I don't go into some indigenouscommunities with the hope that
I'm going to witness, though Getme right, christian, I will
witness.
I will witness because I am alight bearer, but I'm not going
in to necessarily convert asmuch as to connect, and I think
in that connection things mayshift for both of us.
But anyway, I'm saying thatbecause I think in the past,

(39:03):
sometimes, you know,missionaries will come in and
again, unwittingly, butobliterate the traditional
cultures that have their beautyand their place, and I think
there is a verse in the Biblethat says God has written
eternity in everyone's heart, sothat you know anyone.
Anyone is without excuse.
So we're all kind of seeking,and on that journey and on that
path, some people simply may nothave heard of Jesus.

(39:25):
But to go back to what I wasgoing to say is, when I went to
Ecuador, I was invited to be apart of a festival called Inti
Rai Mi, and when I did a quickGoogle search to understand it
better, it said well, this is asun worshiping festival.
And so I was like, okay, well,I'm not going to worship the sun
S-U-N.
You know I will worship the sunS-O-N.
But I was like, okay, let me,let me see what's happening.

(39:45):
I'm invited, I'm going toingfestival.
When I talked to the Quechuapeople that I met, they said we
are offering thanks to God andto the earth for its provision.
It was almost more of aThanksgiving and they're like
and we do this little dance tokind of re-energize the earth

(40:08):
after it's given us the harvest.
And I'm like this is cool.
So I danced along with thembecause I knew we weren't doing
some kind of worship the sun andthe earth dance.
It was a gratitude dance.
I was like I can get into this.
So, I think not everything is asit seems and I also think again
, we have to keep seeking andgoing in with a learning posture
.
For me, as I travel, differentplaces is important, so I'm not

(40:31):
coming in with a heavy hand ofjudgment or condemnation of
someone else's faith tradition,but I can bring mine alongside
and hopefully pique curiosity inthose around me.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, well, it's a testament to the idea that you
can learn something from anyoneand that all truth is God's
truth if it's truth because hemade it that way and maybe I had
to learn it or I had theopportunity to learn it from
someone who saw the world alittle bit differently.
I remember in seminary therewas a book that we were reading
and it was kind of this ideabetween faith and logic and our

(41:03):
duty to have a reasoned defense,and that one of the imageries
they put in the book was there'sthis, you know, there's
mountain, there's thesescientists finally scaling the
last mountain of ignorance theycould find and they get to the
top and there's just a band oftheologians who've been sitting
there for centuries Like, oh,you guys took the long way, but
you made it like we had thegondola, we, just we.
We trusted this originally andnow we know.

(41:24):
But you went the hard way toaround the end, around to figure
out that God really is who hesaid he was, and and to not put
him in a box where he can'tspeak.
He speaks through a donkey.
He makes the sun stand still inthe sky.
He writes on a wall he.
And there's that weird sectionin acts what 19, where paul
prays over aprons andhandkerchiefs and then they give
them out to people and thepeople who touch those are

(41:46):
healed.
I'm like, whoa, there's to yourpoint of prayer.
There's something in this realmthat is that that we are um
asked to test the spirits and weare asked to have discernment
and not be afraid of what'sinvisible, what we can't see,
but not fall for every shinyobject.
And and so tell us maybe someof the things, hilda, that you

(42:07):
you see maybe as gifts thatgod's given us for healing, that
we might tend to overlook, orhelp Christians not be so scared
or paranoid that we dismissthings.
But where can we maybe findsome principles that give us a
little more discernment as we?
What would be some examples ofthings that you'd say are super
helpful?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Before I go there, Christian, I have to be
vulnerable.
I think I told you before youstarted rolling I'm an open book
and so I have to tell thisstory, because it was one time
when I said yes to someone thathad a healing modality that I
knew nothing about and I stilldon't even remember what it was
called exactly, but I was like,let's just say maybe it was

(42:47):
light work.
I was like, oh, light work,that sounds good, you know.
Okay, I ended up in this roomwith this woman that I didn't
know.
She was saying words over methat I couldn't understand and
doing some strange ritual things, and afterwards I was like
never again never, again, I'mnot going to submit myself to
something, you know.
And I did pray afterwards and Iwas like, ah, god, cleanse me.

(43:09):
But I was like cause I didn'tknow what she was praying and
that was a little scary, to behonest.
I was like, okay, you've got tobe careful, got to be
discerning.
So I don't want people to thinkI'm perfect and there may be
others who say, well, hilda,that's great for you to go into
these communities, wanting toconnect and not convert.
But I really want to let God'slight shine through me, but I

(43:37):
don't feel like that's exactlywhat he's called me to do.
Do I have opportunities?
Yes, do I take them?
Yes, so, but I just I thinkit's because of my background,
with Young Life, I'm a littlebit more relationship evangelism
you know, coming alongsidepeople, getting to know them and
letting God's light shinethrough me.
But in terms of things, I thinkwe don't need to fear.
Well, first of all, don't letsomebody pray over you and you

(43:58):
don't know what they're saying.
But unless it's the gift of theHoly Spirit or something
speaking in tongues, I would say.
One thing is being willing tolook at trauma as a root of
illness.
This is something that's knownas well.
It's actually seen in a lot ofhealing modalities, including
German new medicine, maybe evenin this electric body you know

(44:20):
biofield tuning work as well.
Because I think well, Ishouldn't even say I think I'm
convinced that sometimes it'snot a physical ailment that
we're dealing with, even if itfeels that way.
Let's say, your shoulder hurtsand you're like man did I just
tweak that?
Playing pickleball or somethingLike what's going on here?

Speaker 1 (44:41):
It could have to do with grief.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
It could have to do with the fact that you're
carrying a burden that's too bigfor you emotionally or
energetically.
It could have to do with thefact that your mom was unstable
when you were growing up and soyou've been kind of carrying the
weight of that.
I don't know how it's going toexpress itself in your body.
But not all physical pain has aphysical root.
That's how I would put it, andso be willing to.

(45:01):
Maybe the first thing you wantto do is talk to a Christian
therapist.
Okay, great, though I sometimesthink that talking about it can
just kind of embed the groovesdeeper in your psyche and body
in a way.
So I'm not really sure aboutthat, but you need to find what
works for you.
I think even massages orlymphatic draining can be good,

(45:23):
because it's all of a piece.
So when you move.
For me, for decades I taughtthese exercise classes.
I was certified by the AmericanCouncil on Exercise, so for
body and soul fitness I wasteaching classes like three or
four times a week.
I think all that movementreally helped me release some
trauma.
I wasn't raised in a perfecthome.
My parents divorced, as I mighthave mentioned earlier, when I
was 11.
So it was tough and then I waslooking for love.

(45:46):
I had a hole in my heart thatwasn't just physical, and so I
kind of dated around.
Anyway, I made my commitment toChrist when I was about 17 and
God started to fill that hole.
But there were definitely a lotof ways in which I needed to
grow spiritually and emotionally, mentally and physically.
But the point I'm getting at isyou might have an emotional or

(46:06):
psychological trauma that hasled to whatever physical
condition you're in right now.
So feel free to explore, yeah,some energy, work or even, like
I said, working out.
I know that's great for mentalhealth anyway.
Another thing I would avoidfearing is maybe even looking
into more herbal medicine oressential oils.

(46:27):
To be honest, I've interviewedsome people on the topic, but I
don't take a lot of teas andthings, but I'm interested in
them and I wouldn't be averse ifI had any kind of pain point
right now.
I don't take a lot of teas andthings, but I'm interested in
them and I wouldn't be averse ifI had any kind of pain point
right now.
I don't, but I do think that,even though this earth has its
toxins, god is always greaterand there's more abundance of
what works and heals than thethings that will hurt and kill.

(46:48):
So I would recommend turning tothat for possibilities, because
did you know thatpharmaceutical medicines?
They're basically imitatingthings in nature that God has
given us, like aspirin, forexample, originally was from the
bark of a tree, and then theystarted thinking, oh well, we
can save money if we usepetroleum for the base of these
pills and we don't need to getall the natural stuff.

(47:09):
But the synthetic stuff isn'tas good in my opinion.
So feel free to turn to that.
And here's the third one.
This one might be controversial,but I would even say homeopathy
.
And I personally, again, I'veonly taken it once, I think,
when I was traveling to Africa,and I thought, well, let me get
a homeopathic remedy for malaria, just in case.

(47:29):
But what homeopathy is?
It's actually energy.
I think they stick energy inthese little like sugar balls,
let's just say, and you can putit under your tongue, and
apparently the energy is healing.
And so I say, just like Jesusdid you can tell a tree by its
fruit.
If this was making us sicker,then absolutely don't get it.
And, by the way, that's mostpharmaceuticals, If this is

(47:51):
doing good for people and it'sputting them on the right path
without any contraindications orside effects.
I say it's worth exploring, butagain, take all of this to the
Lord in prayer, becausesomething I might be cool with
might not work for you and yourfamily.
But I say let's embrace what'snatural.
And what we really should besaying no to in this world is
all the fake stuff that isman-made.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Wow, that was great.
Another rewind section andlisten to that one again.
But yeah, there's so much outthere that is efficacious and we
do not need to be afraid of it.
But we can test the spirits andwe can say this doesn't sit
right with me and maybe it neverwill, or maybe it will later as
I learn more.
But yeah, there's somethingmysterious about the order that
God created into the universe,where there is memory inside

(48:32):
cells, and it isn't just memoryof what B vitamin I'm missing.
It's memory of things that havehappened to me, that I just
finished recently a book calledthe Field by Liz McTaggart, and
it's there's all thisdocumentable stuff about what's
in the body or what's in asingle cell and what memory is
in even in water, that there arethings.
That's what homeopathy workswith.
It's there's a memory that this, of this particular plant

(48:53):
medicine, that the water'scaptured and the more you dilute
it, the more the water's like Igot it, Don't worry.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
It's the weirdest thing.
I love it, I know, I know, andthat's not woo-woo, it's like
God's design.
I mean, look at how Mosesraised his staff and part of the
Red Sea.
Of course that wasn't Moses,that was God.
But the point is, waterresponds.
There was just energy going out, the Holy Spirit, right, and so
while we might look askance at,like Vita Austin or Isabel

(49:16):
Friend, these women who aretalking about like water, having
memory and stuff, it's quitelikely, in my estimation,
because our bodies are mostlycomposed of water.
So this is why we want to say Ithink you know good things and
this is why, over our bodies,over our kids' bodies, saying oh
my gosh, I love you so much.
Do you know that changessomething in them.
So let's not be afraid of thefact that energy impacts things

(49:38):
and it impacts us, and thinkabout how we pray over food, for
example.
Wherever I go, I try to get thegroups I and again, I hang out
with definitely woo-woo peopleor people who would call
themselves spiritual and notnecessarily Christian.
But I'm like look, whatever yourfaith tradition, let's pause
over this meal, let's givethanks, because I figure it's
one step in the right directionand they understand.

(49:59):
They're like, oh yeah, if wepause and we almost like put our
hands over our food, that'sgoing to change how this food
enters our body and so it startsto help them, kind of almost
even for them, with, let's justsay, maybe mysticism, with an
understanding of faith.
It's.
It's so fun and I'm notthreatened by these worldviews.
Some of them really resonatewith me because it seems to me
they go hand in hand.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah Well, I, like I imagine you are.
I I'm not afraid to enter,interview anyone I'll.
I'll happily have conversationswith people, because they
always stretch my thinking andtypically they force me deeper
into the word and then say, likewhat does the Bible say about

(50:41):
that?
Or what have I not understoodabout the created order?
That might be an amazing anglethat I'm missing.
That could really help meunderstand God better.
Like that's fun to me.
And if you can operate from asolid foundation, knowing that
the God of the universe is nevergoing to make you fearful,
that's not the spirit we've beengiven.
He is a gentleman, he is notpushy.
And on and on through thecharacter of God and again test
that spirit and say is this fromyou, lord?
Would this agree that Jesus isLord?
And on and on.
And when we have a good filter,there's that verse everything

(51:05):
is permissible, but noteverything's beneficial To be
able to say what is here thatreflects God honestly and where
does evil want to sneak in a lieand manipulate it and twist it
and tell you that?
Did God really say that?
Does he really mean that Isthat?
Is he trying to trick you andsteer us away from truth?
So hopefully in this you guyshave maybe picked up some pearls

(51:26):
, or maybe some confidence ordiscernment to try out some
other things.
But as we start wrapping up,hilda, I want to make sure you
get to just tell.
Yeah, I said when we firsttalked, you mentioned you're
launching a new health coachingprogram soon, and so tell people
about that.
What are you up to and how dopeople follow you and find your
work?

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Absolutely.
So.
I've got two things that I'moffering on my website right now
, and one the most important tome is community.
I'm calling it the holistic hub.
Again, alliteration is my thing.
I'm hoping it's a space thatwill encourage people with their
health, because it's not just aone-shot deal, right, it's a
journey.
So I want to offerencouragement.

(52:02):
I'm going to have a privatepodcast in there.
It's a solo cast where I justshare my uncensored kind of
inner monologue, you know, 15minutes a week.
And then also I'm going to havelive some cooking classes and
some other modalities in there,like emotional freedom, tapping,
things that I've come acrossthat I think could be helpful
for folks.
And then we're going to havechallenges.
It's going to be so much funand I'm launching it November

(52:23):
11th, so that's one thing, andthen that's just going to be
continual, very small monthlyfee for people to join that.
Then, twice a year, I launch acourse.
It's called Health for the LongHaul, because I don't want
people to just have health fortoday.
I want them to keep stackingthose hacks.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
And.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I help people incorporate six ancestral
secrets for healthy habits,including getting the morning
sun and honoring their sleep,and along the way I offer tips
and science and ancient wisdomand stories to encourage them.
So that happens too.
And then, of course, I have allthe content on Instagram and on
my Holistic Hilda YouTubechannel and the Wise Traditions
podcast that I host and producefor the foundation.

(53:00):
But the one thing I wanted tosay that I think is really
important, christian, to add towhat you were saying about fear,
is that perfect love casts outfear.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yes, it does.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
And that's what sustained me during the hardest
days in COVID.
You guys in my neighborhoodpeople would yell at me.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Tell people where you live, because that's relevant
data.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah, I'm actually in Washington DC.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
There you go.
Okay, carry on.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
It's rough.
No, it was rough and peoplewould yell at me on the street
because I wasn't wearing a maskoutside.
It was really, really hard.
But I was like you know what,to me, the message I was getting
over the airwaves and even frommy neighbors was a lot of fear
and I was like I'm just notgoing to live that way.
And, yeah, I was just like I'mnot going to wear a mask because
the Bible talks about havinguncovered faces and I thought
this lets the glory of God shineand I want to see my neighbor's

(53:45):
face.
And I even said to my pastor Isaid what if the hallmark of
Christians at this time was thatwe hugged each other?
You know, just like Jesus wouldtouch the leper, like what if
we did that?
I didn't even know in the earlydays that COVID was nothing to
be afraid of, you know.
But I was like what if we didthat?
And he just looked at me, kindof in fear actually, when I said
that and that didn't really flywith that church.
So I had to say goodbye to thatone.

(54:06):
But I I just feel like, standon the promises of God, know
that he is love, we have nothingto fear and he is going to
guide your steps.
And one of my favorite verses Iwant to quote from Jeremiah is
ask for the ancient paths, askwhere the good way is and walk
in it, and you will find restfor your souls.
That's from Jeremiah 6.

(54:26):
And I just love that.
So keep seeking and asking andknocking and it will be given to
you and you will find it.
Wow.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Okay, well, I was going to ask you the question
you have to ask or you askeveryone the obligatory Hilda if
you could have the listener doone thing.
But that may have been it, thatwas great.
So let me I'll put it to youanother way.
If you so, you always askpeople at the end of your show
if the listener could do onething to improve their health,
what would they do?
And so maybe, turning it backon you saying, how might have

(54:56):
you would have answered that ayear or five, 10 years ago.
How might you answer it now Ifthe listener can only do one
thing, if you could give themsome focus or takeaway?
Is it what you just said, orwould there be something that
you'd add to it?

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I do think the spirit bit is more important than
anything else.
But right now if I had to tellthem one really concrete thing
to do, I would say it'd be toget the morning sun.
Yeah.
So, I learned the value of thatover the recent years through my
travels and throughconversations with health
experts in the quantum healthspace and they just said that
really sets your circadianrhythm, can boost your

(55:28):
metabolism, improves your energy, helps you sleep better it's
like so many things, so I dothat.
It's a non-negotiable for me.
Sunrise before screen rise.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Oh, I like it.
Okay, cool.
Well, Hilda, thank you so muchfor this fun and jovial
conversation.
I'm so honored to have you joinme.
Thanks for coming on the showtoday.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Thanks so much, Christian.
I loved it.
We'll talk again soon, I hope.