Discover the hidden stories your eyes are aching to tell with master herbalist and iridologist Jordan Gundersen. Our eyes are not only the windows to our souls, they're also the map to our wellbeing, and Jordan is here to interpret the signs. From the intricate patterns of the iris to the subtle hues within, we dive into the secrets that each eye holds—a revealing session that includes a live analysis of my own eyes, offering a personal peek into my health and emotional state.
Venture through the annals of iridology with us, as we trace the practice from its roots to its modern resurgence. We illuminate the contributions of the field's pioneers and debunk long-held myths about iris colors and structures. As it turns out, we all have blue eyes beneath the surface, and the rich tapestry of colors we see is a dance of melanin and light. Jordan's expertise shatters misconceptions and opens the door to the healing power of recognizing emotional issues through the eyes, highlighting how our diet reflects in our organs and emotional state—an intertwining of history, science, and holistic health that is as fascinating as it is enlightening.
Wrap up your listening experience with a powerful reminder that knowledge is the cornerstone of proactive health management. We share insights into the genetic predispositions lurking in our irises, discussing how this understanding can guide us in creating personalized health plans. As we explore the intriguing details visible in the eyes, from the sclera to the liver, we underscore the importance of equipping ourselves with the tools and wisdom to become stewards of our bodies. Join us on this journey into iridology, and empower yourself with an education that shines a light on a healthier, more informed you.
You can learn more about Jordan on his website, and you can follow him on Instagram.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone, welcome to episode 29.
I've got another fascinatingepisode for you today.
I guess you could say.
Serendipitously, it worked outthat I have two episodes in a
row about the eyes.
So if you missed my lastinterview about how to heal your
eyesight, naturally go back andcheck out my interview with
Carlos Moreno.
But this one is all aboutiridology, which is a discipline
(00:20):
that analyzes the eyes.
That's really a window into notjust our physical health but a
possible nutrient deficienciesand, interestingly, our
emotional health and our pasttraumas.
It can also give us insightsinto our overall constitution
and underlying susceptibilitieswe might have.
So my guest in this episode isa man named Jordan Gunderson.
In addition to being aniridologist, he is a master
(00:43):
herbalist and you may recognizehim from previous episodes.
So this show was particularlyfun for me because after we
talked about the history andmethod of iridology, jordan and
I looked at pictures of my eyesand his eyes and, for context,
we hadn't talked about mypictures yet, so you get to hear
me in real time learning aboutwhat my eyes have to say about
(01:03):
me.
So since it's an audio format,we really did our best to
describe what we were looking at.
But if you want to watch usanalyze the pictures.
This interview will also befeatured as part of our upcoming
and free detox course.
The course is designed to helppeople who have taken the COVID
vaccine and went to detox fromthat, but it's really turned
(01:23):
into a course about how to detoxand heal from pretty much
anything and, humbly, I thinkthis course is really a
much-needed reality check andfirst principle-based approach
to really cut through the noiseand the hype and the hope that's
full of inflated promises andkind of help steer you away from
the unhelpful or modestlyhelpful options and point you
toward the most needle-movingthings you can do.
(01:45):
So I think this course is goingto just be a game changer and a
statement on the topic ofdetoxification.
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(02:08):
the course is ready.
One final thing I'll say forcontext is that this show is
something that over the years,I've kind of realized that the
body has so many insightful andnon-invasive ways of giving us
information about what we'redealing with and, frankly, I
think many of them are moreprofound and actionable than a
(02:28):
lot of the lab tests that you'llget at a typical doctor's
office.
So stay tuned for moreinterviews in this vein of
things that the body can tell usabout what's going on
internally that don't involvelab tests, and know that I'll
keep bringing you new ways totake charge of your health.
Okay, so, without further ado,enjoy my conversation with
Jordan Gunderson.
All right, hello everyone.
(02:50):
Welcome to today's episode.
My guest is Mr Jordan Gunderson.
He has the distinguished honorof being the first guest to
appear three times on the show.
If you haven't heard our firstcouple of interviews, we did one
on kind of just herbs 101 andwe did another one on an
herbalist's perspective on howto detox from the COVID shot.
(03:10):
So today we are talking allabout iridology and the idea
that your eyes can be a windowinto so many things related to
your health.
So, jordan, welcome back to theshow.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Thank you so much for having me back on.
It's good to be here.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Cool, all right.
Well, give the listener alittle bit about your background
and what got you into studyingiridology in the first place,
and what is iridology?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah.
So I think you know, with mostpeople it's a little bit of a
journey.
You get a piece here, you get apiece there, and then it all
kind of starts to come together.
And that's kind of how it wasfor me.
I first got into herbs andlearning about how to take care
of our bodies, how to detox, andthen, once I started doing that
(03:56):
, I was helping my family.
But we noticed that for myyoungest daughter she was two
years old at the time she hadsome serious issues that we
couldn't quite figure out.
We didn't know why she washaving these issues.
The same herbs that worked forme and for the other members of
my family, they weren't reallyworking for her and just to give
(04:19):
you a taste of the things shewas experiencing.
Whenever she would get sick, shewould stay sick much longer
than anybody else in her family,and once she would get well,
she would continue to have thischronic cough that wouldn't go
away.
And, being the herbalist that Iwas, I was going okay, well, I
know what to do here, we're justgonna do this and that.
(04:42):
And it wasn't working.
And so I had studied herbalismwith the School of Natural
Healing, which was started by DrJohn Christopher, and he had
used irodology a little bit inhis practice back in the 60s,
70s and in the early 80s.
So I had heard of irodologybefore, but I didn't really know
(05:04):
much about it and what it was.
And so, as I was thinking abouthow to help my daughter, I just
had this thought come to me,one day you should go learn
irodology, and that wasseemingly random to me.
I was going I don't really knowmuch about this, but sure I'll
look into it a little bit and soI contacted the School of
(05:26):
Natural Healing, where I learnedabout herbs, and they actually
forwarded me to a guy by thename of Dr David Pesic, and he
is the founder and president ofthe International Institute of
irodology.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh, you went right to the top of the food chain then,
huh yeah he's one of the topirodologists in the world.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
He's presented at the really prestigious German
conference of irodology he's theonly American to ever present
there and I'll talk a little bitabout German irodology versus
American irodology, becausethat's an interesting
conversation in and of itself.
But anyway, I went to hisschool and learned about
irodology and once I knew enough, I looked in my daughter's eyes
(06:09):
and boom, I found the cause ofher problems and it was just
incredible to be able to seethat and understand it.
And then, with that knowledge,I knew how to best support her.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Well, it's fun to me because I've got a client who I
had mentioned when we first didour interviews that you were
also an irodologist and so hejust he's an initiative taker.
He went and found anirodologist and got a workup
done, and so at this point I'vebeen his coach for over two
years and so I've gotten to knowhim quite well and many of the
things in this report were likescary accurate to who he was,
(06:48):
not just like you know what'sgoing on and what systems or
organs need help, but thetemperaments and personality and
nutrient deficiencies and somany things that were just right
in front of me on this printout, and I'm thinking how in the
world she figure this stuff outfrom his eyes.
So, before we get into some ofthe basic things that irodology
can analyze, give us a littlebit more like a brief history of
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it.
How far back does thisdiscipline go?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
That's a great question.
It goes back to the beginningof human civilization.
Really.
We have some evidence ofirodology, or at least some form
of irodology being practiced inmost ancient cultures the
Egyptians, the Chaldeans, theChinese, the Greeks, the Romans.
(07:35):
They all have some form.
With the Egyptians specifically, they found hieroglyphics where
there's an iris and then thereare organs placed inside that
are indicating the various areasof where you find those systems
in the eye.
Alexander the Great, his chiefmedical officer, would use
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irodology to determine whichindividuals were fit for combat,
and they would only choose thestrongest people to go be in the
army.
And that kind of makes sensethat you want the strongest,
fittest people.
And you can tell a strength ofa person's body by how tight the
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fibers are in the eyes.
So when they're really denseand really tight, that
determines how strong a person'sbody is going to be, how well
composed the cells are going tobe and things like that.
And so that's how they wouldselect their soldiers for battle
.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Wow, okay, so well, give me some of like, what are
some of the basic tenets then ofirodology, like maybe the first
principles, or what does itpurport to be able to help us
diagnose or learn about the body?
You mentioned strengths andthings like that.
What other things can it helpus get insight into?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So that's an interesting question and that
kind of goes along with thehistory of irodology.
Okay, because you know, ahundred years ago, 200 years ago
, they used to refer to it asiris diagnosis.
There are many practitionerswho refer to it as such, and so
they would use the iris to helpinform a diagnosis.
(09:15):
Most places in the world todayuse irodology, or it's pretty
prevalent.
However, here in the UnitedStates it's not.
There's a good reason for that.
I don't know if you want to saya good reason, but there is a
reason for that.
There was a guy by the name ofHenry Lindlar.
(09:38):
He was an American naturopath.
He was in the late 1800s, early1900s, so he did a lot of
natural medicine and things andhe's actually quoted as saying
the regular school of medicineas a body has ignored and will
ignore this science because itdiscloses the fallacy of their
(10:00):
favorite theories and practicesand because it reveals,
unmistakable, the dire resultsof chronic drug poisoning and
ill-advised operations.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Oh man, no wonder they didn't want that out.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Those are his words, not mine and so with the coming
of age of the modernpharmaceutical industry in the
early 1900s If you're familiarwith the Flexner report, that
went around to all the medicalschools and they seemingly
(10:34):
picked on all the naturalmedical schools iridology just
kind of dropped out of thecurriculum.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah For the listener , in case you don't know, an
episode two of this podcast.
I went and deconstructed a lotof that history, so if that's
intriguing can you go check thatout.
But anyway, carry on Jordan.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
And so that's kind of when American well, iridology
kind of went out of vogue inhere in America.
But it was kept alive by anaturopath named Dr Bernard
Jensen.
If you're familiar with him, hewas a natural healer, he was a
chiropractor.
He's considered to be thefather of iridology in North
(11:15):
America.
He did all kinds of things withherbs and nutrition and he's
the one who kind of keptiridology alive.
I think he was born in 1908,and he passed away in 2001.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Is he writing a book about enzymes?
Am I thinking of the rightperson?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I think his big book was a guide to better bowel care
.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I think that's the title.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I'm not sure if that's the title.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Anyway, I'm thinking of.
I may be thinking of someoneelse.
There's a great book, I think,of enzymes, the key to health,
and it's so undersells thebreadth of what he covers by
focusing so myopically onenzymes.
But anyway, okay, I'm chasingand rabbit in my own head.
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So Bernard Jensen kind of kept iridology alive.
I think he learned from HenryLindlar and he kept it going.
However, across the ocean overin Germany is actually where a
lot of the really good stuffcomes from.
(12:20):
There were two guys.
One was named Josef Deck, theother was named Josef Unger.
They were both German and theyactually have kind of basically
the same story.
They were drafted as medics inthe Nazi army and then they were
both captured by the RussiansDuring World War II and while
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they were in Russia they startedworking as medics with Russian
soldiers and they actually wouldobserve these Russian soldiers,
what was going on in their eyes, and they would correlate that
with their medical history.
So there was veryobservation-based.
(13:04):
They were making connections,making correlations, and then
after the war they went on.
They went back and basicallydid more research, did the same
thing.
They were very, very meticulous.
I believe it was Josef Unger.
He actually became a doctor andprofessor of medicine and both
(13:24):
of these men published a lot ofinformation.
I think Josef Deck looked atover one million eyes during his
lifetime.
So they were very, verydetailed and very extensive in
their research.
But with these two differingschools of thought, with
American iridology it was alittle more how do I say this?
(13:48):
More new-aged in its beliefs.
It was very kind of mystical,and the German school was very
observation-based, veryscientific we're not publishing
anything that we can't correlateor replicate.
And American iridology was alittle bit more spiritualistic.
It wasn't as grounded inobservation, at least from what
(14:12):
I have gathered.
For example, there are a lot ofthings in American iridology
that we have since learned arenot accurate.
One of the things was that ifever there you see a weakness in
the iris, if it's a structuralweakness, that it can heal up
and it will close up and it willbe good as new.
(14:35):
But the Germans proved that'snot actually true.
With the advent of digitalphotography we've also been able
to show that as well.
We get these really good bigpictures of the iris and you can
take pictures over time and thestructure is not going to
change.
Now what may change are thedifferent colors in the iris.
(14:59):
Basically, in iridology thereare three different types of
iris colors.
There is the blue iris, or whatwe call lymphatic.
That can appear anywhere fromgray to blue to green.
Those would be consideredlymphatic irises.
Then we have the hematogenic,or brown iris.
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Those are like the really matte, dark brown irises.
Then we have what we callbiliary iris, or mixed.
That's kind of a light brownhazel.
It can be anywhere from lightbrown to more darker brown.
Those are the three differenttypes.
(15:47):
In American iridology there isthis longstanding belief that if
you have brown eyes that youreye color should actually be
blue and you need to do a lot ofcleansing until your eyes turn
blue.
It means that you have lots ofheavy metals, lots of toxins in
your body.
People would cleanse andcleanse and cleanse for years
(16:08):
and nothing would happen.
That's one of the things thatGerman iridologists said.
No, no, no, that's not true,that's not a thing.
Now I will say that everybodyin the world does have blue eyes
.
That is a fact.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Okay, tell me more.
How is that?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
a fact.
Most people in the world havemelanin pigment that covers the
iris fibers.
We call those iris fiberstrabeculas.
That melanin pigment getsdeposited over the top of those
trabeculas.
I've done this with my clientswho have brown eyes.
Almost every single time I havea client who has brown eyes,
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we'll take a picture of them,we'll blow it up real big and
then there's often a few areaswhere you can see where that
pigment didn't get deposited andit's actually blue.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
What Okay?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I have a friend who is Pacific Islander, so he's got
really dark brown eyes and hewanted me to take pictures of
his eyes, so I did.
We looked at it, we zoomed inand I said look, your eyes are
blue.
Right there.
He was just like what the heck?
This is crazy.
Everybody in the world has blueeyes, but most people in the
(17:24):
world they appear brown becauseof that melanin pigment.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Okay, well, so wild cardamom, it's in my head.
I've got a friend who actuallyhas two different eye colors,
significantly different.
What would you make ofsomething like that?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Well, it depends on their parents and grandparents
as well, because oftentimesyou'll get parents who have blue
eyes, parents who have browneyes.
Then they have a child, andmost of the time that child's
eyes will be kind of a mix ofblue or brown.
So it'll be kind of like abiliary iris that I talked about
(18:01):
, because, though it happensthat, for whatever reason, in
utero that fetus can't reallydecide which it's like.
The genetics are at war, and sosometimes they come out with a
brown eye and a blue eye.
That's very rare.
There are other instances ofwhat we call a sectoral
(18:24):
heterochromia, which is wherethere's a section of the iris
that is brown while the rest ofit is blue, or it's darker brown
while the rest is lighter brown.
So those things do happen.
It's essentially just kind ofwhere the body can't really
decide what to make it, so itjust kind of comes out.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Let's go for the compromise.
Fine, we'll just do both Right.
Fascinating, okay.
Well, that's a great history.
There's plenty in there.
I did not know, and it addsmore color to some of the other
aspects of it.
So I guess one of the mostcaptivating things to me, anyway
, about iridology is howholistic it is, rather than
(19:04):
trying to isolate symptoms.
It's really from myunderstanding and you tighten me
up here as I articulate thisbut it's really trying to look
at the body as thisinterconnected web and it
considers how various systemsand organs are influencing one
another.
So it's fun for me, becausethat's what I do as a coach.
I'm looking at the complexityof this person's life, trying to
figure out what is bringingabout the health they do or
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don't have.
It's exciting for me to thinkthat the eyes could be another
window into understanding whatthe body's really dealing with.
So did I frame that?
Well, is that kind of one ofthe tenants or approaches
iridology has?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, that's absolutely spot on.
I think iridology really excelswhen it's used in a holistic
manner.
I mean, there are a lot ofpeople out there who try to use
iridology like a doctor does andthey try to make diagnoses.
I don't think that's really agreat way to do that, because
you're looking at a whole person, just like you said, you're
(20:00):
trying to interpret all thesedifferent things to come up with
why a person feels the way theydo and why they act the way
they do, and a lot of times it'slike this.
It's a complicated web and sooftentimes when I work with
clients, one of the biggesthurdles that I have is trying to
educate them in a way that'sholistic.
(20:21):
When they're used to thinkingvery reductively, the medical
system kind of trains us tothink oh, I've got diabetes,
I've gene insulin.
That's not the only thing,that's one of the things, but
there's so many other factorsinvolved, and so when I provide
reports to people on theiririses, one of the challenges is
(20:44):
to help them interpreteverything together.
But it's kind of like drinkingfrom a fire hose.
There's so much information inthe irises.
One from a genetic perspective.
All of the structural featuresin your iris are going to be
genetic, so you have these, whatwe call trabeculas.
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Like I mentioned, there arethese fibers in your iris.
If you go and look in themirror and you see those lines
like spokes, those are thetrabeculas, and whenever you see
an opening, they're calledeither lacunas, if they're more
elliptical, if they're kind oflike lines like spokes, like
kind of like they're depressed,or deep those are called radial
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furrows and those indicate areasof genetic tissue weakness.
So whenever you find thosefeatures in whatever area it's
in, is going to determine ifthat area of the body is
genetically weak.
You also have things that showup in the iris that are more of
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an experiential perspective.
So something that may have comeabout over time, something that
may have developed, those canbe pigmentation, like, for
example, a brown pigment in youriris is going to be liver and
gallbladder indicated.
It may be that your liver andgallbladder may have been
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congested at one point.
It may still be Orange.
Pigment is going to bepancreatic related.
It's a little more red.
It's going to be digestiveenzyme related.
They're both pancreatic.
There's orange and then there'sreddish orange.
Orange is going to be moreblood sugar regulation problems.
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Dish orange is going to be moredigestive enzyme, pancreatic
issues.
And then we have yellow, whichis going to be more kidney
congestion, kidneys stagnation,things like that.
We also have kind of a whitishcloud feature that's called
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TOEFI, lymphatic TOEFI.
That's an indication that thelymph system may be congested,
may be stagnant, may have someissues with that.
And then there are more lesscommon features.
For example, people with browneyes often will have this not so
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much people with blue eyes, butoftentimes you'll see little
speckles.
You can't really see it justlooking in the mirror, but when
you get a high-powered camera,you get these digital
photographs.
You can zoom in and find theselittle speckles all around the
eye.
So that is usually anindication that the person may
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have some challenges with ironmetabolization.
So, for whatever reason, theirbody's not able to use the iron
that their body receives.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Wow, okay, well, so I took your little.
You have a seven-part seriesthat you wrote on the world of
iridology, and so one of thethings I quoted it because it
stood out to me says in theworld of iridology, the eyes are
like a living diary, faithfullyrecording the stories of our
emotional journeys, which wasnot necessarily something I
(24:09):
expected the eyes to reveal.
But so tell us about that.
Like, how are the eyes?
And it says, are they a windowinto the soul or beyond physical
symptoms?
How do the eyes help youunderstand somebody's emotional
landscape, not just physicalhistory?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's a really good question.
So, like I mentioned, I went tothe International Institute of
Irodology and the founder andpresident, david Pesic.
He created his own kind ofschool of thought of iridology
it's called Holistic Irodology,interestingly enough and he was
(24:47):
a psychologist for years.
He got his degree in psychologyand one of his big
contributions to iridology wasthe thought and emotional aspect
.
There had been a lot ofgroundwork before him, but he
kind of really brought this alltogether in a holistic way and
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one of the things that he kindof teaches is that these various
systems of the body, thesevarious different types of signs
, they all have emotionalindicators.
And let's take the liver, forexample.
The liver often indicates angerand resentment issues.
So if you have a geneticweakness in the liver area of
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your iris, you may bepredisposed to experiencing
anger and resentment.
If you have a liver pigmentlet's say you have a liver
pigment in your left iris thatmay mean that at some point in
your life you experienced angerand resentment toward primary
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feminine figures in your life,whether that was mom, grandma,
sister, spouse.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Interesting, so even the left and right eye are going
to give you differentinformation.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, okay, the right side is going to be masculine.
The left side is going to befeminine.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Huh, okay, keep going .
And any more on the emotionalstuff, because I'm super
fascinated by how that eye iswilling to give you that
information if you know how tolook, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So, for example, I had a client a little while ago
who had on her left iris, Ibelieve.
She had some pancreaticpigmentation and some liver
pigmentation, but she didn'thave that on the right side.
And so as we were going throughher report and I was talking to
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her about all these things, Isaid it looks like you may have
some anger and resentmenttowards primary feminine figures
.
And I do this very carefullybecause I don't want to say
you've got mom issues.
That's not a really great wayto bring it up, so I always let
them do the talking.
I kind of put it out there.
So I said that.
(27:02):
And then with the pancreas, theemotion associated with the
pancreas is often grief andsadness.
So I said you also, it appearsthat you might have some grief
and sadness towards primaryfeminine figures.
And she kind of sat there for aminute and she was like, yeah,
I don't really have a greatrelationship with my mom and
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it's really stressful for me.
And she was kind of talkingabout that and she was like I
don't know what to do about it.
I said well, the best thing youcan do is to have that talk
with her if that's an option.
If it's not safe to do that.
I wouldn't say do that.
And then we talked about alldifferent kinds of the things
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that she could do to help workthrough those emotions.
And then, about a week or twolater, her mom came in to me and
set up an appointment and shewas married, this woman, and so
she didn't have the same lastname.
So when her mom came in, Ididn't know who it was.
And then she I said so how didyou hear about me?
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And she said oh well, you toldmy daughter that she and I have
some issues, and so I wanted tocome in and find out what issues
I have with some people in mylife, what emotional issues I
have, and so it actually was areally good conversation for her
and her mom.
They actually did end up havinga really good conversation
about some things from childhood, how she grew up, and so it was
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very healing for her to getthrough those things and work
through them, because a lot oftimes when you find out what's
in your eye, you've never beenable to work on them because you
don't know what's there, and sojust the fact of meeting with
someone like me and having themshow you what's there, it puts
it at the forefront of your mindand you can go wow, I didn't
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even know these things wereissues.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
It's like revealing yourself to you, yeah, or what
it sounds like is.
It might be revealing somethingthat's much more relevant or
weighty in terms of your body'sburden, or it's what it can't
quite get past in order to heal.
And just by bringing awarenessto a major element or this big
piece of the puzzle, sure enoughyou can actually go at the
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thing that's most impactful inthe healing journey rather than
dance around it.
Try to supplement your way tohealth or any number of other
silver bullets.
When you can really identifythe heart of the matter, I can
imagine a profound amount ofhealing that can take place in
the identification of that.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
So it's really interesting to know to what
you're genetically prone to.
For example, if you have agenetic weakness in the thyroid,
that's going to be somethingthat you might struggle with
your whole life.
But if you know that, you canknow how to support your body
right.
So things like for the thyroid,specifically, brazil nuts.
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Brazil nuts have a lot ofselenium that help your body
uptake iodine.
So getting on Brazil nuts,making sure you're eating lots
of Brazil nuts Not too many,though.
Also, dulse Dulse is reallygreat for iodine content.
It's a natural source of iodineand so that can help support
your thyroid.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
For people who don't know what Dulse is telling.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
It's a type of seaweed Northern Atlantic
seaweed.
It's purple.
It's my favorite kind ofseaweed that tastes the less
fishy than some of the others inmy.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Can you get that in like a shaker bottle, like they
make it into a seasoning?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yep, a lot of people use it for culinary purposes.
I think that's the biggest use.
But yeah, dulse is great.
So knowing those things thatyou're predisposed to, you can
know how to support your body.
And really those in myexperience, those genetic
weaknesses are only going toflare up, so to speak, when your
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body's under a lot of stress.
So whether it's mental stress,emotional stress, physical
stress, that's when they'll actout because they are genetically
weaker tissue.
One interesting thing that Ihave seen is sometimes I'll see
a weakness in the gallbladderarea and I'll say, hey, it looks
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like you have a geneticweakness here in the gallbladder
and they'll say about seventimes out of 10.
They'll say, oh, I had mygallbladder removed.
I was going to ask that.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Does it give you windows into past?
I'm thinking of surgical traumaas the body's gone through like
that removing of a body part orsome sort of Whether it's
ovaries or any number of things.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I bet you that somehow we can't see removed
tissue, but oftentimes, whenthere's a genetic weakness there
, they'll often have had itremoved.
Unfortunately, you cansometimes see really serious
traumas.
For example, if you've had anykind of spinal trauma, you can
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see that on the pupil.
The pupil will often appearflattened in certain areas
depending on which area of thespine we call it an aplenation
of the pupil, where it looks alittle bit flat in one area.
So that is something we can'tsee.
I did see one time my friendhad.
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She wanted me to take somepictures of her family members,
of all their irises, and so Idid.
And she had told me previouslythat her dad had a serious bowel
trauma, His bowel had ruptured.
And when I took a picture ofhis iris she said, Can you see
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that in his iris?
And I went I didn't think thatwas possible, but yeah, I see it
.
Right there there was thisbrown pigment that was just
coming right out of the bowelarea spilling out into the other
areas of the iris.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
And I didn't think those kinds of things happened,
but that appeared to be what hadhappened in his iris, so that
was really fascinating.
Those things don't happen allthe time, but I wonder if it was
traumatic enough that it wasrecorded in the iris.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Interesting.
Okay, well, I want totransition a little bit and I
guess two part here.
One is helping the listener geta sense of like what exactly
when you go through an intake.
Are you doing a verbal intakeof a written form first or do
you go straight to the eye andthen debrief them afterward?
And I ask that because I guessyou know I sent you some
pictures of my eyes because Ithought it might be an
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interesting thing to wrap intothis episode.
So we may be putting the carbefore the horse here, but I'm
fully prepared for him to tellme I look like a maybe a dad of
six kids who might be a littleunder slept or stressed or any
number of things.
So hopefully I'm not going tobe weeping in front of all of
you while we're looking at acouple of pictures of my eyes
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here.
But so one, tell me about theprocess and then we'll.
For the people who are in theirdetox course you actually can
watch this If you're listeningon the podcast.
We'll try to be as descriptiveas we can, but tell me about the
process and then we'll pull upmy photos and see what
insightful things you may havebeen able to find out about my
eyes.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah.
So the process usually peopleare coming to see me for
something specific.
They're either they don't knowwhat's wrong with them, but they
know something is wrong andthey want some more information.
Oftentimes they know that I canhelp them with herbs, but they
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don't know necessarily what theyneed because they've got all
these other problems, or they'relooking to.
They're just kind of intriguedabout irodology and they just
want to do it.
That's great.
They usually learn a whole lotmore than they ever thought they
would about their body.
So when people come in, weusually just take pictures first
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.
I go back and forth.
Sometimes I like to get anintake and other times I like to
just go in blind and just starttalking about what's in
people's eyes, and they'll oftencorroborate what I'm saying.
I'll say oh, it looks like youtend towards a little more
acidity issues.
You may have an under acidicstomach here.
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It looks like there may be someblood sugar regulation
challenges and they go wow, yeah, that makes sense.
So we'll take pictures and thenwe'll talk about it for a
little bit and then I will goand create a report for people
and then they'll come back andwe'll do a follow-up and go
through everything and kind ofcome up with a holistic plan
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that they can follow and starttaking care of their body in a
better way.
So that's kind of the processfor most people.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Okay, cool.
Well, we're doing the eyesfirst, because I haven't done
any sort of verbal intake withJordan yet, so you guys will get
the.
This is the first time I'mhearing whatever he's about to
say to you.
So welcome into the client'sconfidentiality room with us.
So go ahead and pull those up,if you will, and give the list.
Give it to me straight, I canhandle it.
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Just let me know what you'refinding.
We'll have some fun with it,okay let's see, okay, there it
is.
So these were actually shot onan iPhone, so they may not be
the best pictures I could havesent him, but they're what I was
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able to do, so yeah, it's alittle bit hard when you've got
just a phone camera.
Let's see Normally, people comeinto your office and you have a
fancy camera you take a picturewith.
Is that right?
Yeah, Yep.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Okay, I'm going to put them up here.
Oh, maybe that's.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Interesting One is indoor and one's outdoor, so you
already see the difference inthe lighting.
Okay, so can you see both ofthose on there Right now, I just
see one.
Okay, just one.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, I'm going to zoom in a little bit here, see
if we can get some good stuffhere.
Okay, so it is a little bithard to tell because we've got
some glare there in some areas,but you have a lymphatic iris,
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which is the blue type iris.
You probably already knew that.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I didn't know it was lymphatic.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
But here we go, okay, yeah, so with that I didn't
mention this earlier but withthe different types of viruses,
you're going to have differentsets of predispositions.
Okay, so for people withlymphatic or blue viruses,
they're going to be morepredisposed to having acidity
problems, over acidity problems,lymphatic congestion issues,
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kidney congestion issues,arthritic and rheumatic type
issues.
Those are just the kind ofthings that people will be
predisposed to.
Just to give your listenerssome additional information, in
case they have brown eyes andthey're like well, what about me
?
What am I predisposed to?
The people who have thehematogenic or the true brown,
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dark brown irises they're goingto be more predisposed to things
like arteriosclerosis,intestinal digestive issues,
liver and gallbladder congestion, blood iron issues, things like
that.
People with the lighter browniris, the biliary iris, they're
going to be predisposed topancreatic insufficiencies,
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liver and gallbladder congestionand also intestinal immune
issues as well.
So those are kind of the basicpredispositions.
Okay, now, since you have thelymphatic iris, that may be the
case as well for you, that youhave those lymphatic
predispositions.
I do see around here that itappears that there may be some
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lymphatic topi, those little.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Like the lighter spots.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
You're talking about these little white clouds down
here.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, so that means you may be predisposed to
lymphatic congestion.
Okay, overall you have a prettygood, strong constitution.
Your iris fibers are prettyclose together in most areas.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, I remember there was a picture you sent me
as an example of one that wouldwork and the fibers were as I
zoomed in.
It's like man, there's a lot ofspace.
It would look like the spiderweb.
I couldn't believe how muchspace was in the eye.
So you're saying mine's tighterand that typically is better.
Okay, Carry on, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So we also have.
I'm trying to find whichpicture is better here.
This is a little bit better tosee the colorett.
Do you see this right here?
It's like the little, it almostlooks like streamers yeah, that
are A little squiggly line thatattracts the pupil so that
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everybody has a colorett andthat is more unique to you than
your fingerprints areInteresting.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
So that's very unique and so everything from that
colorett to the pupil is the GItract.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
And so over here, yeah, I can see kind of a
difference in color.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
from where that?
I guess I'm thinking theribbons or the streamers around
the center.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
So this over here is a small intestine.
This is your right iris.
Okay so this is a smallintestine.
This is the cecum part of thecolon.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
This is your ascending colon and transverse
colon.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Okay, interesting Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Tell me more Now.
If we had some pictures on mycamera we might be able to tell
a little bit better.
But immediately around thepupil there might be.
Do you see how it's pretty darkright in there?
Yeah, yeah, Okay, Right there,and then it's lighter around
here.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Okay, so for the listener on the top left, I
guess it'd be the top right ofmy right eye.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
At least surrounding the pupil there's like this dark
ring.
It's a little bit darker grayand then immediately around that
there is a lighter gray ring.
What that often indicates isthat there is under, Potentially
under acidity in the stomachand you know your stomach should
be pretty acidic to help breakdown your food.
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But then also that may, thatlighter gray ring may indicate
that the rest of the digestivetract, the small intestine, the
colon, may be a little bit overacidic.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Okay, and what is a reasonable Like if you find that
, what does somebody take awayfrom that as a practical
tactical thing they could workon?
Obviously there's a lot, but isthere?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Like a primary, are there most likely to be the
things that are making a bigdifference?
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Working on emotionally.
An under acidic stomach oftenindicates feeling unworthy to
receive things.
Huh, okay.
So working on being okay withreceiving, Okay, I mean, that's
something that I struggle with.
I don't like people to help meout.
I want to do it all myself,right.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, nobody likes to feel needy, sure yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
But also working on raising the acidity, and there's
all kinds of things you can dofor that.
My preference is to, ratherthan give the stomach acidity,
is, help the stomach produce iton its own.
So things like celery juice,apple cider, vinegar, ayam
pepper salt real salt I'mtalking about, like red and real
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salt or Celtic salt.
Those kinds of things can helpraise the acidity in your
stomach and that's kind of thefoundation.
You help raise the acidity inyour stomach and that's going to
also help to lower the acidityin the rest of the digestive
tract too.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Okay, that's neat, okay, couple of other things.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, let's get into a little bit more here.
Right here there's a geneticweakness inside.
This is going to be prettyclose to the ileocecal valve,
right there.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Tell people what that valve is.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
So it's basically the valve between your small
intestine and your largeintestine, okay, that open and
closes to allow food and wasteto move into the large intestine
.
Okay, now, this area of tissueis going to be genetically weak,
and so it may have thepropensity to develop a pocket,
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or pockets, inside the colonwalls.
Okay, there is also another oneright here in the small
intestine.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, I would have just looked at that as a space,
but it doesn't seem to match thewidth of some of the other ones
you're looking at.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, and it'd be again.
This would be better if we hadsome lateral lighting like a
flash right there, but obviouslyfor a phone camera this is
actually pretty good.
So those are just areas ofgenetic tissue weakness inside
the colon.
Additionally, the colaret itappears to come right up here
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and it looks like the colaretmay go up here pretty close to
the colon so that.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
But he's talking about that ribbon that it kind
of looks symmetrical, almostlike there's the center of the
flower and then the petals thatform symmetry, and it's like
there's one section near thebottom where it's not quite
symmetrical.
It kind of comes all the way inrather than matching the rest.
Okay, what would that?
Speaker 2 (45:39):
almost like A petal got ripped off or something and
it looks like it kind of justgoes in.
That would indicate geneticallyit's going to be pretty tight
through the cecum part of thecolon right there and the cecum
is the beginning of your colon,so it may be tough for waste to
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move through that area.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Okay, Potentially so.
My takeaway so far is beingmore intentional with gut health
is something that would be justbecause of predisposition.
It seems like that's going tobe something I want to pay
attention to more or lessindefinitely.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yes, absolutely.
Now, moving into the outside ofthe GI tract, here we have a
few genetic weaknesses, right atabout six o'clock.
These look like little openingsin the iris fibers, so they
kind of look dark, gray or blackin the picture that we're
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looking at.
But there's two of them oneither side of the six o'clock
line and these are actuallygoing to run through the adrenal
area that I was expecting.
So stress yeah, sleep yeah.
So I might have some challengesthere.
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This one on the right side isgoing to run through the
adrenals and into the kidneys,and then there's one right at
six o'clock, a little bitfurther down, that's in the
kidney as well.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Okay, yeah, I can certainly say six kids and a
seven month old in the house.
Yeah, add some stress and yeah,there's a lot of stress.
Yeah.
Does that seem more genetic,though like a predisposition or
something yeah.
More, something that would be aresult of recency.
These are genetic.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Okay, so you're going to be more prone to those
things, like I mentioned with,whenever stress comes into play.
Those are the areas that aregoing to feel it more than
others.
So you've got to be making surethat you're supporting your
adrenals, your kidneys.
You probably know how to do allthose things anyway, so you
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probably do all those thingsanyway.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
That this is predisposition, type of things.
It's helpful because it one.
It says, okay, this isn't I gotthe body I got and I need to do
the best I can with it.
And so let me shore up whattends to be or it seems to be an
area where my body would have aharder time than the next
person and I can have.
There's a proactive nature Ican take with this information
too.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah, and then over here it's not quite like these
genetic weaknesses.
This is at about between sevenand eight o'clock, maybe about
seven, 30.
Right here there's a little bitof tissue that's a little bit
weaker.
So in this area you see howthey're not as dense.
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Right there and right there.
Yeah, it's going to be in theliver and gallbladder areas Okay
.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, so it really is organ like viscera is where I
tend.
It looks like I have most of mychallenges.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, okay, up here at about 12 o'clock between 11
and one.
Actually.
That's the brain area.
It's really dense in there.
So, you've got a good a good, agood brain.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I can't quite tell because of let's look at the
other one.
Actually this one, yeah, yeah,you can see it a little bit
better.
I know you have that errorreflection?
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Yeah, okay, but you're saying that cognition is
typically not going to be mygenetic predisposition weakness
yeah, it's more gut.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
That's your strength.
Okay, good to hear.
Your strength is the brain yeah, what about that?
Okay, I'm going to keep itgoing.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
I love this part.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Cool, okay, anything else that stands out about those
pictures?
Speaker 2 (49:59):
That's about all I can see.
There may be some pigmentationright here.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Okay, I can't quite tell, hard to see.
That's the part where thecamera reflection is in my eyes.
You're seeing a shadow.
Yeah, the camera.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
There may be some brown or red right in there.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Okay, and what would that?
Speaker 2 (50:16):
tell you it's brown, it's going to be, and you might
be able to just go look in themirror on your right eye and say
, okay, what color is that?
If there is something there?
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
I don't know if this is a.
Let's look on the other one.
Oh, it might just be geneticmarker.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Okay, it looks darker on this other photo.
But what is that Cause so kindof a nine, 10 o'clock is where
he's looking at relative to myeye when?
What is that telling you?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
So if there were a pigment there, if it's brown
it's going to be liver indicated, maybe some liver gallbladder
congestion.
If it's reddish, that's goingto be pancreatic enzyme related
On.
This picture doesn't look likethere is a pigment there, though
this other one that I'm lookingat.
It may be another stricture,though I can't quite tell, so
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you might have to go in themirror and look.
If it comes in at about 915,930, nine o'clock, if it comes
in towards the pupil, that'sgoing to be a stricture in the
ascending colon.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
So another A Still.
We're on GI, though, yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
If the pigment is inside that color to the pupil
if there was a pigment there,that's going to be a little more
serious.
Whenever we find a pigmentinside the color to the pupil,
that's a little more serious.
And so making sure you supportyour colon the right ways, eat
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lots of fiber clean it outperiodically that's the best way
to support your gut health.
Fantastic With those kinds ofthings, yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Thanks for letting me be your guinea pig and learn
more about this personally.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
So as your listeners get to learn more about you
Right.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
maybe they didn't want to know that I have genetic
predisposition, better care ofmy gut and colon, et cetera.
But here we go now.
You know people.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
And that's the thing with predispositions, you can
take care of yourself reallywell and not have any issues in
these areas.
I've met with people who do alot for their health and I tell
them things and I'm like youhave a predisposition to that
and this.
And they're like, oh well, I'malready doing this and I'm
already doing that and I go.
Great, you're on the righttrack.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yeah, keep at it.
Okay, cool was there.
You said you had some picturesof yourself or your own eyes or
anything dramatically differentthat would be worthy of showing
the listener or the viewer herethat could give them another go.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, let me show you some pigments, what they look
like, so I'm gonna stop sharingthat for a minute and I'll pull
up my other picture here.
All right, there's that.
I'm gonna share this.
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
All right, so this is my left iris.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah, you can see a lot there.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
I'm not sure if I talked over you.
You said it's your left iris.
Yeah, this is my left iris.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
My left iris isn't quite as strong as my right one,
but you can see there's irisfibers here.
There's my colorett pupil andat about 12, just off of not 12
o'clock, six o'clock, maybeabout 6, 15, 6, 10, I've got
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this liver pigment.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Wow, that is a very different color.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
And what is that type ?
Speaker 2 (53:53):
So liver is just like it's got some this is a liver
pigment on the adrenal area, sofor me that means my liver
experienced some congestion,stagnation.
That also indicates anger andresentment and fear towards
primary feminine figures.
Interesting does that resonate?
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Is that like In some ways yesand in other ways no?
I mean I have a greatrelationship with my mom, a
great relationship with my wife,but from time to time I'll get
angry about things and I'll havesome resentment issues that I
have to work through.
I'm kind of predisposed to thatbecause of this.
Also some fear.
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I mean when I was a kid,growing up, I was terrified of
girls.
I would have all these girls whowould have a crush on me and I
would be afraid of them, like Ididn't know how to talk to them,
things like that I didn't, youknow, I just was one of my
weaknesses and now I kind ofknow why I had this fear.
(54:56):
So anyway, there's that.
There's this.
It's a little more yellow.
It'll be kidney related.
Let me go to my right eye now.
Oh, wow, that is different.
I've got some.
This one is actually prettyserious.
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This is pancreatic pigmentationand the pancreas area right
here, and that is what we call atopostabil pigment.
It's a type of pigment in thearea, of what type it is.
So it's a pancreas pigment inthe pancreas area.
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Additionally, I have a primaryblood vessel.
This is about, for yourlisteners, it's about 130.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
Yeah, what he's talking about is that the white
of the?
I was gonna ask you like,because we've been focused on
the people, but the white of theeye also gives you information.
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Yep, okay, so the white part of your eye is called
your sclera, and whenever youhave a really thick blood vessel
, we call those primary bloodvessels, and they will often
point to areas that are morechallenged.
And so we have, I have thisprimary blood vessel pointing to
that pigment in the pancreasarea.
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So that's a little more serious.
My dad's a type one diabetic,so it kind of makes sense.
I was predisposed to that and Iate really, really poorly in
college, lots of processed foods, and those are the worst kinds
of foods for your pancreas.
(56:37):
So I've been working for awhile to clean that up and it's
going pretty well, I would sayNice.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
How recent is this photo?
Speaker 2 (56:49):
This is a couple of years old.
Okay, here in the sclera, theselittle blood vessels, if you
can't see, there's lots oflittle small blood vessels going
in different directions.
Those are more localinflammation in the body, things
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like that I have.
One of the biggest questions Iget is will my eyes change?
Like if I do a lot of cleansingthings, will my eyes change?
Will these pigments go away?
Yes, they can.
In my experience they don't,but it kind of depends on the
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person.
A lot of it also depends on howmuch change that you create to
heal your body, Because thesepigments often take years to
develop.
Sometimes they can developreally quickly, but most of the
time they take years to depositon the iris, and so it's not
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like you're gonna do a cleansingprogram for three months and
then it's gonna go away.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
Yeah, it's a lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah it's a lifestyle .
That's the key.
Yeah, so I don't know how badmy eyes were before this,
because I had done a lot priorto taking these pictures.
These are the first picturesthat I have, but with my
children I've taken pictures oftheir eyes really young so we
can see and track the changesthat happen in their eyes.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
I like it.
Tell us about the for theviewer.
They probably noticed the topleft or the 11, 10 o'clock.
You've got a big differentcolor there.
What's going on there?
Speaker 2 (58:33):
This kind of seems like a sectoral heterochromia,
where a whole section of theiris is colored.
Here it's a little bit orange,a little bit yellow, and then it
extends into the GI tract inthe transverse colon area.
Now, like I mentioned, pigmentsin the GI tract are a little
(58:56):
more serious, and so I got guthealth that I gotta work on too.
So it's not just you, most ofus actually.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
Welcome brother.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, so I'm right there.
So this is orange.
This is gonna bepancreas-related as well.
So, yeah, digestive is a bigthing that I focus on for myself
and helping to make sure thatmy blood sugar is regulated well
(59:25):
, that's another big one.
I'm not.
I don't do doctors, and that'smy choice for my family, so I
don't think I have diabetes.
I didn't.
Last time I went to the doctor,which was seven years ago, so
seven, eight years ago, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
Well cool.
That's what this all indicatesno thanks for the tour here.
It's been fun to have a coupleof different examples and yeah,
our eyes do look different, andso imagine for the listener.
They're intrigued to say whatin the world might my eyes tell
me about myself?
So Very cool.
Anything else you wanna commenton there?
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Yeah, just to make another mention of the sclera.
There are other signs that wecan find in the sclera.
Sometimes there will bepigments like a brown pigment.
Sometimes that happens, it'snot too common.
Other times we'll find thiskind of yellowish substance
toward the medial side of theiris.
So on your right eye that'sgonna be towards the right side.
(01:00:26):
On your left eye that's gonnabe towards the left side.
That's a normal thing whenyou're looking at it like this.
It's gonna be toward your nose,yeah, medial means middle, if
you were to think of it that way, and there will be this
yellowish, whitish, cremishsubstance just to the medial
side of your iris, and that'swhat we call a pingwickula.
(01:00:47):
That's the funnest word to sayin Ayuridology, but that's an
indication of some livergallbladder congestion.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
The other thing I wanted to mention is the pupil
as well.
The pupil can indicate certainthings if it's too dilated or
too constricted.
For example, with a picturelike this, I have really good
lighting, I've got a focusinglight and then I've got a flash
coming from the lateral side,and sometimes people's eyes will
(01:01:19):
still be dilated with thatamount of light, and so what
that often can indicate are someblood sugar regulation
challenges and potentiallyfeeling really overwhelmed.
They may have some adrenalissues, things like that.
Got it If it's too constricted.
(01:01:39):
That often means that a personis really just trying to hold
everything in.
They don't want to let anythingout, and Control it, constipate
it?
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yeah, it sounds like it.
Yeah, constipate it or control,yep, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Those are some other things with the iris.
I mean the pupil is not theiris, but it's related.
And with all of these thingsyou'll notice that I'm not very
specific in the way I talk aboutthese things, like with you.
Know, I'm talking about thepancreas pigmentation and I say
I may have a blood sugarchallenge because, we don't want
(01:02:16):
to step into the medical arenaand get into diagnosing and
things like that.
So we use a little bitdifferent terminology.
Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
in case you're wondering here yeah, but it
could corroborate other, justintuitions, experiences,
diagnoses.
It's a great window into, justfor me, even just having you
take a hip shot at my photosthat are less quality than yours
, to affirm, yeah, no, gi, thatwould be my weakness, and other
things seem to be okay, so veryappreciative.
Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
It's what you said about corroborating.
I do have a good story aboutthat.
I had a client come into me whowanted me to look at his eyes
and he had this sign on thecornea.
So for those of you who don'tknow, the cornea covers the
pupil and along it appearedalong the edge of the iris, but
(01:03:12):
it's actually a deposit on thecornea.
It's like this haziness that yousee along the very edge of a
person's iris here, and he hadthat sign and it was very
apparent and what we call thatit's called a corneal arcus, and
what that is an indication ofis possible lipid deposits in
(01:03:35):
organic salt buildup inside ofthe arteries.
And I said to this person hey,as your doctor told you anything
about your heart health, doeshe have any concerns?
And he said no.
My doctor says my heart's great, there's no issues.
And I said I don't buy it.
I don't know about that, atleast from what your eyes are
(01:03:58):
telling me.
I could be wrong, but I wouldsay to go meet with a
cardiologist, that might be agood idea.
And so he actually had anappointment with this
cardiologist set up for a fewweeks after our appointment.
So we went to that appointmentand he came back and he said
(01:04:19):
that the cardiologist had saidthat he had an 80% blockage in
one of his main arteries.
Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Oh, wow, and you could see that where the other
whatever diagnostic, he had justcompletely missed it.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Yeah, I could see that there was a problem big
enough that he needed to takesome action, really drastic
action.
And yeah, it just.
I mean, the cardiologist saidthe same things, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
So, would you see, I'm thinking more specific here,
like inflammation is kind ofgeneral, but do you see
inflammation in the eyes?
Do you see something likeparasitic or infections?
Do you see something like metaltoxicity or any of those things
that you would notice in theeyes?
Those are some of the thingsthat we can't see.
Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Actually, we can't see parasites, can't see, well,
we can't say, see heavy metalsby name, things like this though
do you see these littlepigments?
This is at about six o'clock, alittle bit more than six
o'clock, 6.15, 6.30.
These little pigments, they'rereally dark gray.
Those may be heavy metals andtoxins in my eye tract.
Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Okay, but I need no because it's inside the.
I'll call it the flower petalsthere.
Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
You'd see that this is going to be right near the
appendix.
Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Yeah, okay, interesting.
Yeah, just so.
It's one other way to peek intoyour body, people, and it's no
blood test required, no needles,no, uh, non-invasive, right,
just you need a good photo andsomebody.
Yeah, they're doing so.
Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
And you can do this.
You can do um iridology with alight and a lens which is kind
of how I started out.
Okay, and that's prettyeffective too.
That's what most people did foryears and years and years.
I mean Hippocrates usediridology, and he would just use
the sun, you know, looking intothe person's iris, um, and so
(01:06:12):
that's.
That's a great way as well.
Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Cool.
Well, so if somebody's hearingthis and they're thinking, gosh,
I want to get into that, I knowyou.
You've got your a free sevenpart email series you do, which
just kind of gives them some ofthe background history of it.
But you also have a, a coursepeople can take.
So tell us about that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
So I developed this course called the at home
iridology course, to helpparents and caretakers use
iridology in their homes,because that's really why I got
started in this I wanted to knowhow to help my family members
when we're dealing with thingsthat we couldn't figure out, and
so I developed this course thatkind of gives you all of the
(01:06:53):
tools and all of the informationthat you need to make a good
evaluation of those in your homeso that you can start taking
care of more things in your home, cause I think the way that
society is going, we kind ofneed to have more things that we
can do on our own and beoutside the system and be more
(01:07:14):
self-sufficient, and so that waskind of the idea behind this,
this course.
Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Love it, okay, well, so as we start to wrap up a
little bit, tell people, I guess, anything more about where they
can find you and your work,where they find this course, and
we'll go from there.
Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Yeah, you can find me at our website, health savesorg
, and you can go and sign up forour free email course on there
about iwardology or check outour at home iwardology course,
just on the website there.
You can also find me onInstagram.
I'm not too active on Instagrambut I do post occasionally.
(01:07:53):
I think it's just JordanGunderson on Instagram and
that's S-E-N.
Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Okay, Cool.
And then you have differentpackages.
I noticed like different, seemslike different depths you get
into related to how much workyou do with iwardology.
Tell people about that.
Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Yeah, so with iwardology there's a few
different things that we can do.
I often will do a live irisanalysis and I really like to
have pictures, so I don't use alight in the lens anymore.
So we'll take a picture of youreye, we'll have you sit down
and I'll just go through thingswith you, like we did here today
(01:08:31):
.
Unfortunately, these all haveto be in person because, like we
just saw, it's a little bitdifficult to really get all the
info from the iris just on apicture from a phone or
something.
And then I also do a full reportwhich is a 75 page write up of
(01:08:51):
every system in your body, soyour detox systems, like your
liver, your kidneys, and thenchannels of elimination, like
your lungs, your battles,urinary system, and then all the
other major systems like thebrain, the endocrine system,
various structures, immunesystem, things like that.
And then we talk about that forabout an hour later.
(01:09:15):
And then I also do a minireport which is kind of a mix
between the two.
Those are for people who don'treally know much.
They just want to learn moreand they're not really
interested in really gettingserious about their health, but
they just want some coolinformation.
Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Cool.
Well, Jordan, this has beenhighly insightful and I'm super
intrigued to know more, and mywife is already like I want to
know what to do for my body.
I don't know what's going on inmy body.
So yeah, thank you so much forthe time today.
I appreciate you carving it outand just educating us and
giving people one other optionoutside the medical system to
just learn more about the bodyand be proactive as a steward of
(01:09:56):
their own body.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yeah, you bet, Christian.
Thanks for having me on.
I always enjoy chatting withyou and I hope your listeners
got some good information fromour discussion here.
Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Oh, no doubt they did All right.
We'll talk to you soon, jordan.
Okay, thanks, no-transcript.
Hello everyone, welcome to episode 29.
I've got another fascinatingepisode for you today.
I guess you could say.
Serendipitously, it worked outthat I have two episodes in a
row about the eyes.
So if you missed my lastinterview about how to heal your
eyesight, naturally go back andcheck out my interview with
Carlos Moreno.
But this one is all aboutiridology, which is a discipline
(00:20):
that analyzes the eyes.
That's really a window into notjust our physical health but a
possible nutrient deficienciesand, interestingly, our
emotional health and our pasttraumas.
It can also give us insightsinto our overall constitution
and underlying susceptibilitieswe might have.
So my guest in this episode isa man named Jordan Gunderson.
In addition to being aniridologist, he is a master
(00:43):
herbalist and you may recognizehim from previous episodes.
So this show was particularlyfun for me because after we
talked about the history andmethod of iridology, jordan and
I looked at pictures of my eyesand his eyes and, for context,
we hadn't talked about mypictures yet, so you get to hear
me in real time learning aboutwhat my eyes have to say about
(01:03):
me.
So since it's an audio format,we really did our best to
describe what we were looking at.
But if you want to watch usanalyze the pictures.
This interview will also befeatured as part of our upcoming
and free detox course.
The course is designed to helppeople who have taken the COVID
vaccine and went to detox fromthat, but it's really turned
(01:23):
into a course about how to detoxand heal from pretty much
anything and, humbly, I thinkthis course is really a
much-needed reality check andfirst principle-based approach
to really cut through the noiseand the hype and the hope that's
full of inflated promises andkind of help steer you away from
the unhelpful or modestlyhelpful options and point you
toward the most needle-movingthings you can do.
(01:45):
So I think this course is goingto just be a game changer and a
statement on the topic ofdetoxification.
So, anyway, if you want accessto the course, where you can
also watch this interview andmany other of the interviews,
then just make sure you're on it.
Sign up for our newsletter.
To subscribe, just go to thefooter of our website,
truewholehumancom, and you'll beamong the first to know when
(02:08):
the course is ready.
One final thing I'll say forcontext is that this show is
something that over the years,I've kind of realized that the
body has so many insightful andnon-invasive ways of giving us
information about what we'redealing with and, frankly, I
think many of them are moreprofound and actionable than a
(02:28):
lot of the lab tests that you'llget at a typical doctor's
office.
So stay tuned for moreinterviews in this vein of
things that the body can tell usabout what's going on
internally that don't involvelab tests, and know that I'll
keep bringing you new ways totake charge of your health.
Okay, so, without further ado,enjoy my conversation with
Jordan Gunderson.
All right, hello everyone.
(02:50):
Welcome to today's episode.
My guest is Mr Jordan Gunderson.
He has the distinguished honorof being the first guest to
appear three times on the show.
If you haven't heard our firstcouple of interviews, we did one
on kind of just herbs 101 andwe did another one on an
herbalist's perspective on howto detox from the COVID shot.
(03:10):
So today we are talking allabout iridology and the idea
that your eyes can be a windowinto so many things related to
your health.
So, jordan, welcome back to theshow.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Thank you so much for having me back on.
It's good to be here.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Cool, all right.
Well, give the listener alittle bit about your background
and what got you into studyingiridology in the first place,
and what is iridology?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah.
So I think you know, with mostpeople it's a little bit of a
journey.
You get a piece here, you get apiece there, and then it all
kind of starts to come together.
And that's kind of how it wasfor me.
I first got into herbs andlearning about how to take care
of our bodies, how to detox, andthen, once I started doing that
(03:56):
, I was helping my family.
But we noticed that for myyoungest daughter she was two
years old at the time she hadsome serious issues that we
couldn't quite figure out.
We didn't know why she washaving these issues.
The same herbs that worked forme and for the other members of
my family, they weren't reallyworking for her and just to give
(04:19):
you a taste of the things shewas experiencing.
Whenever she would get sick, shewould stay sick much longer
than anybody else in her family,and once she would get well,
she would continue to have thischronic cough that wouldn't go
away.
And, being the herbalist that Iwas, I was going okay, well, I
know what to do here, we're justgonna do this and that.
(04:42):
And it wasn't working.
And so I had studied herbalismwith the School of Natural
Healing, which was started by DrJohn Christopher, and he had
used irodology a little bit inhis practice back in the 60s,
70s and in the early 80s.
So I had heard of irodologybefore, but I didn't really know
(05:04):
much about it and what it was.
And so, as I was thinking abouthow to help my daughter, I just
had this thought come to me,one day you should go learn
irodology, and that wasseemingly random to me.
I was going I don't really knowmuch about this, but sure I'll
look into it a little bit and soI contacted the School of
(05:26):
Natural Healing, where I learnedabout herbs, and they actually
forwarded me to a guy by thename of Dr David Pesic, and he
is the founder and president ofthe International Institute of
irodology.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh, you went right to the top of the food chain then,
huh yeah he's one of the topirodologists in the world.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
He's presented at the really prestigious German
conference of irodology he's theonly American to ever present
there and I'll talk a little bitabout German irodology versus
American irodology, becausethat's an interesting
conversation in and of itself.
But anyway, I went to hisschool and learned about
irodology and once I knew enough, I looked in my daughter's eyes
(06:09):
and boom, I found the cause ofher problems and it was just
incredible to be able to seethat and understand it.
And then, with that knowledge,I knew how to best support her.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Well, it's fun to me because I've got a client who I
had mentioned when we first didour interviews that you were
also an irodologist and so hejust he's an initiative taker.
He went and found anirodologist and got a workup
done, and so at this point I'vebeen his coach for over two
years and so I've gotten to knowhim quite well and many of the
things in this report were likescary accurate to who he was,
(06:48):
not just like you know what'sgoing on and what systems or
organs need help, but thetemperaments and personality and
nutrient deficiencies and somany things that were just right
in front of me on this printout, and I'm thinking how in the
world she figure this stuff outfrom his eyes.
So, before we get into some ofthe basic things that irodology
can analyze, give us a littlebit more like a brief history of
(07:11):
it.
How far back does thisdiscipline go?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
That's a great question.
It goes back to the beginningof human civilization.
Really.
We have some evidence ofirodology, or at least some form
of irodology being practiced inmost ancient cultures the
Egyptians, the Chaldeans, theChinese, the Greeks, the Romans.
(07:35):
They all have some form.
With the Egyptians specifically, they found hieroglyphics where
there's an iris and then thereare organs placed inside that
are indicating the various areasof where you find those systems
in the eye.
Alexander the Great, his chiefmedical officer, would use
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irodology to determine whichindividuals were fit for combat,
and they would only choose thestrongest people to go be in the
army.
And that kind of makes sensethat you want the strongest,
fittest people.
And you can tell a strength ofa person's body by how tight the
(08:21):
fibers are in the eyes.
So when they're really denseand really tight, that
determines how strong a person'sbody is going to be, how well
composed the cells are going tobe and things like that.
And so that's how they wouldselect their soldiers for battle
.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Wow, okay, so well, give me some of like, what are
some of the basic tenets then ofirodology, like maybe the first
principles, or what does itpurport to be able to help us
diagnose or learn about the body?
You mentioned strengths andthings like that.
What other things can it helpus get insight into?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So that's an interesting question and that
kind of goes along with thehistory of irodology.
Okay, because you know, ahundred years ago, 200 years ago
, they used to refer to it asiris diagnosis.
There are many practitionerswho refer to it as such, and so
they would use the iris to helpinform a diagnosis.
(09:15):
Most places in the world todayuse irodology, or it's pretty
prevalent.
However, here in the UnitedStates it's not.
There's a good reason for that.
I don't know if you want to saya good reason, but there is a
reason for that.
There was a guy by the name ofHenry Lindlar.
(09:38):
He was an American naturopath.
He was in the late 1800s, early1900s, so he did a lot of
natural medicine and things andhe's actually quoted as saying
the regular school of medicineas a body has ignored and will
ignore this science because itdiscloses the fallacy of their
(10:00):
favorite theories and practicesand because it reveals,
unmistakable, the dire resultsof chronic drug poisoning and
ill-advised operations.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Oh man, no wonder they didn't want that out.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Those are his words, not mine and so with the coming
of age of the modernpharmaceutical industry in the
early 1900s If you're familiarwith the Flexner report, that
went around to all the medicalschools and they seemingly
(10:34):
picked on all the naturalmedical schools iridology just
kind of dropped out of thecurriculum.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah For the listener , in case you don't know, an
episode two of this podcast.
I went and deconstructed a lotof that history, so if that's
intriguing can you go check thatout.
But anyway, carry on Jordan.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
And so that's kind of when American well, iridology
kind of went out of vogue inhere in America.
But it was kept alive by anaturopath named Dr Bernard
Jensen.
If you're familiar with him, hewas a natural healer, he was a
chiropractor.
He's considered to be thefather of iridology in North
(11:15):
America.
He did all kinds of things withherbs and nutrition and he's
the one who kind of keptiridology alive.
I think he was born in 1908,and he passed away in 2001.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Is he writing a book about enzymes?
Am I thinking of the rightperson?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I think his big book was a guide to better bowel care
.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I think that's the title.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I'm not sure if that's the title.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Anyway, I'm thinking of.
I may be thinking of someoneelse.
There's a great book, I think,of enzymes, the key to health,
and it's so undersells thebreadth of what he covers by
focusing so myopically onenzymes.
But anyway, okay, I'm chasingand rabbit in my own head.
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So Bernard Jensen kind of kept iridology alive.
I think he learned from HenryLindlar and he kept it going.
However, across the ocean overin Germany is actually where a
lot of the really good stuffcomes from.
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There were two guys.
One was named Josef Deck, theother was named Josef Unger.
They were both German and theyactually have kind of basically
the same story.
They were drafted as medics inthe Nazi army and then they were
both captured by the RussiansDuring World War II and while
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they were in Russia they startedworking as medics with Russian
soldiers and they actually wouldobserve these Russian soldiers,
what was going on in their eyes, and they would correlate that
with their medical history.
So there was veryobservation-based.
(13:04):
They were making connections,making correlations, and then
after the war they went on.
They went back and basicallydid more research, did the same
thing.
They were very, very meticulous.
I believe it was Josef Unger.
He actually became a doctor andprofessor of medicine and both
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of these men published a lot ofinformation.
I think Josef Deck looked atover one million eyes during his
lifetime.
So they were very, verydetailed and very extensive in
their research.
But with these two differingschools of thought, with
American iridology it was alittle more how do I say this?
(13:48):
More new-aged in its beliefs.
It was very kind of mystical,and the German school was very
observation-based, veryscientific we're not publishing
anything that we can't correlateor replicate.
And American iridology was alittle bit more spiritualistic.
It wasn't as grounded inobservation, at least from what
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I have gathered.
For example, there are a lot ofthings in American iridology
that we have since learned arenot accurate.
One of the things was that ifever there you see a weakness in
the iris, if it's a structuralweakness, that it can heal up
and it will close up and it willbe good as new.
(14:35):
But the Germans proved that'snot actually true.
With the advent of digitalphotography we've also been able
to show that as well.
We get these really good bigpictures of the iris and you can
take pictures over time and thestructure is not going to
change.
Now what may change are thedifferent colors in the iris.
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Basically, in iridology thereare three different types of
iris colors.
There is the blue iris, or whatwe call lymphatic.
That can appear anywhere fromgray to blue to green.
Those would be consideredlymphatic irises.
Then we have the hematogenic,or brown iris.
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Those are like the really matte, dark brown irises.
Then we have what we callbiliary iris, or mixed.
That's kind of a light brownhazel.
It can be anywhere from lightbrown to more darker brown.
Those are the three differenttypes.
(15:47):
In American iridology there isthis longstanding belief that if
you have brown eyes that youreye color should actually be
blue and you need to do a lot ofcleansing until your eyes turn
blue.
It means that you have lots ofheavy metals, lots of toxins in
your body.
People would cleanse andcleanse and cleanse for years
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and nothing would happen.
That's one of the things thatGerman iridologists said.
No, no, no, that's not true,that's not a thing.
Now I will say that everybodyin the world does have blue eyes
.
That is a fact.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Okay, tell me more.
How is that?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
a fact.
Most people in the world havemelanin pigment that covers the
iris fibers.
We call those iris fiberstrabeculas.
That melanin pigment getsdeposited over the top of those
trabeculas.
I've done this with my clientswho have brown eyes.
Almost every single time I havea client who has brown eyes,
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we'll take a picture of them,we'll blow it up real big and
then there's often a few areaswhere you can see where that
pigment didn't get deposited andit's actually blue.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
What Okay?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I have a friend who is Pacific Islander, so he's got
really dark brown eyes and hewanted me to take pictures of
his eyes, so I did.
We looked at it, we zoomed inand I said look, your eyes are
blue.
Right there.
He was just like what the heck?
This is crazy.
Everybody in the world has blueeyes, but most people in the
(17:24):
world they appear brown becauseof that melanin pigment.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Okay, well, so wild cardamom, it's in my head.
I've got a friend who actuallyhas two different eye colors,
significantly different.
What would you make ofsomething like that?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Well, it depends on their parents and grandparents
as well, because oftentimesyou'll get parents who have blue
eyes, parents who have browneyes.
Then they have a child, andmost of the time that child's
eyes will be kind of a mix ofblue or brown.
So it'll be kind of like abiliary iris that I talked about
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, because, though it happensthat, for whatever reason, in
utero that fetus can't reallydecide which it's like.
The genetics are at war, and sosometimes they come out with a
brown eye and a blue eye.
That's very rare.
There are other instances ofwhat we call a sectoral
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heterochromia, which is wherethere's a section of the iris
that is brown while the rest ofit is blue, or it's darker brown
while the rest is lighter brown.
So those things do happen.
It's essentially just kind ofwhere the body can't really
decide what to make it, so itjust kind of comes out.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Let's go for the compromise.
Fine, we'll just do both Right.
Fascinating, okay.
Well, that's a great history.
There's plenty in there.
I did not know, and it addsmore color to some of the other
aspects of it.
So I guess one of the mostcaptivating things to me, anyway
, about iridology is howholistic it is, rather than
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trying to isolate symptoms.
It's really from myunderstanding and you tighten me
up here as I articulate thisbut it's really trying to look
at the body as thisinterconnected web and it
considers how various systemsand organs are influencing one
another.
So it's fun for me, becausethat's what I do as a coach.
I'm looking at the complexityof this person's life, trying to
figure out what is bringingabout the health they do or
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don't have.
It's exciting for me to thinkthat the eyes could be another
window into understanding whatthe body's really dealing with.
So did I frame that?
Well, is that kind of one ofthe tenants or approaches
iridology has?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, that's absolutely spot on.
I think iridology really excelswhen it's used in a holistic
manner.
I mean, there are a lot ofpeople out there who try to use
iridology like a doctor does andthey try to make diagnoses.
I don't think that's really agreat way to do that, because
you're looking at a whole person, just like you said, you're
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trying to interpret all thesedifferent things to come up with
why a person feels the way theydo and why they act the way
they do, and a lot of times it'slike this.
It's a complicated web and sooftentimes when I work with
clients, one of the biggesthurdles that I have is trying to
educate them in a way that'sholistic.
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When they're used to thinkingvery reductively, the medical
system kind of trains us tothink oh, I've got diabetes,
I've gene insulin.
That's not the only thing,that's one of the things, but
there's so many other factorsinvolved, and so when I provide
reports to people on theiririses, one of the challenges is
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to help them interpreteverything together.
But it's kind of like drinkingfrom a fire hose.
There's so much information inthe irises.
One from a genetic perspective.
All of the structural featuresin your iris are going to be
genetic, so you have these, whatwe call trabeculas.
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Like I mentioned, there arethese fibers in your iris.
If you go and look in themirror and you see those lines
like spokes, those are thetrabeculas, and whenever you see
an opening, they're calledeither lacunas, if they're more
elliptical, if they're kind oflike lines like spokes, like
kind of like they're depressed,or deep those are called radial
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furrows and those indicate areasof genetic tissue weakness.
So whenever you find thosefeatures in whatever area it's
in, is going to determine ifthat area of the body is
genetically weak.
You also have things that showup in the iris that are more of
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an experiential perspective.
So something that may have comeabout over time, something that
may have developed, those canbe pigmentation, like, for
example, a brown pigment in youriris is going to be liver and
gallbladder indicated.
It may be that your liver andgallbladder may have been
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congested at one point.
It may still be Orange.
Pigment is going to bepancreatic related.
It's a little more red.
It's going to be digestiveenzyme related.
They're both pancreatic.
There's orange and then there'sreddish orange.
Orange is going to be moreblood sugar regulation problems.
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Dish orange is going to be moredigestive enzyme, pancreatic
issues.
And then we have yellow, whichis going to be more kidney
congestion, kidneys stagnation,things like that.
We also have kind of a whitishcloud feature that's called
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TOEFI, lymphatic TOEFI.
That's an indication that thelymph system may be congested,
may be stagnant, may have someissues with that.
And then there are more lesscommon features.
For example, people with browneyes often will have this not so
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much people with blue eyes, butoftentimes you'll see little
speckles.
You can't really see it justlooking in the mirror, but when
you get a high-powered camera,you get these digital
photographs.
You can zoom in and find theselittle speckles all around the
eye.
So that is usually anindication that the person may
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have some challenges with ironmetabolization.
So, for whatever reason, theirbody's not able to use the iron
that their body receives.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Wow, okay, well, so I took your little.
You have a seven-part seriesthat you wrote on the world of
iridology, and so one of thethings I quoted it because it
stood out to me says in theworld of iridology, the eyes are
like a living diary, faithfullyrecording the stories of our
emotional journeys, which wasnot necessarily something I
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expected the eyes to reveal.
But so tell us about that.
Like, how are the eyes?
And it says, are they a windowinto the soul or beyond physical
symptoms?
How do the eyes help youunderstand somebody's emotional
landscape, not just physicalhistory?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's a really good question.
So, like I mentioned, I went tothe International Institute of
Irodology and the founder andpresident, david Pesic.
He created his own kind ofschool of thought of iridology
it's called Holistic Irodology,interestingly enough and he was
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a psychologist for years.
He got his degree in psychologyand one of his big
contributions to iridology wasthe thought and emotional aspect
.
There had been a lot ofgroundwork before him, but he
kind of really brought this alltogether in a holistic way and
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one of the things that he kindof teaches is that these various
systems of the body, thesevarious different types of signs
, they all have emotionalindicators.
And let's take the liver, forexample.
The liver often indicates angerand resentment issues.
So if you have a geneticweakness in the liver area of
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your iris, you may bepredisposed to experiencing
anger and resentment.
If you have a liver pigmentlet's say you have a liver
pigment in your left iris thatmay mean that at some point in
your life you experienced angerand resentment toward primary
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feminine figures in your life,whether that was mom, grandma,
sister, spouse.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Interesting, so even the left and right eye are going
to give you differentinformation.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, okay, the right side is going to be masculine.
The left side is going to befeminine.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Huh, okay, keep going .
And any more on the emotionalstuff, because I'm super
fascinated by how that eye iswilling to give you that
information if you know how tolook, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So, for example, I had a client a little while ago
who had on her left iris, Ibelieve.
She had some pancreaticpigmentation and some liver
pigmentation, but she didn'thave that on the right side.
And so as we were going throughher report and I was talking to
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her about all these things, Isaid it looks like you may have
some anger and resentmenttowards primary feminine figures
.
And I do this very carefullybecause I don't want to say
you've got mom issues.
That's not a really great wayto bring it up, so I always let
them do the talking.
I kind of put it out there.
So I said that.
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And then with the pancreas, theemotion associated with the
pancreas is often grief andsadness.
So I said you also, it appearsthat you might have some grief
and sadness towards primaryfeminine figures.
And she kind of sat there for aminute and she was like, yeah,
I don't really have a greatrelationship with my mom and
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it's really stressful for me.
And she was kind of talkingabout that and she was like I
don't know what to do about it.
I said well, the best thing youcan do is to have that talk
with her if that's an option.
If it's not safe to do that.
I wouldn't say do that.
And then we talked about alldifferent kinds of the things
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that she could do to help workthrough those emotions.
And then, about a week or twolater, her mom came in to me and
set up an appointment and shewas married, this woman, and so
she didn't have the same lastname.
So when her mom came in, Ididn't know who it was.
And then she I said so how didyou hear about me?
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And she said oh well, you toldmy daughter that she and I have
some issues, and so I wanted tocome in and find out what issues
I have with some people in mylife, what emotional issues I
have, and so it actually was areally good conversation for her
and her mom.
They actually did end up havinga really good conversation
about some things from childhood, how she grew up, and so it was
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very healing for her to getthrough those things and work
through them, because a lot oftimes when you find out what's
in your eye, you've never beenable to work on them because you
don't know what's there, and sojust the fact of meeting with
someone like me and having themshow you what's there, it puts
it at the forefront of your mindand you can go wow, I didn't
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even know these things wereissues.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
It's like revealing yourself to you, yeah, or what
it sounds like is.
It might be revealing somethingthat's much more relevant or
weighty in terms of your body'sburden, or it's what it can't
quite get past in order to heal.
And just by bringing awarenessto a major element or this big
piece of the puzzle, sure enoughyou can actually go at the
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thing that's most impactful inthe healing journey rather than
dance around it.
Try to supplement your way tohealth or any number of other
silver bullets.
When you can really identifythe heart of the matter, I can
imagine a profound amount ofhealing that can take place in
the identification of that.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
So it's really interesting to know to what
you're genetically prone to.
For example, if you have agenetic weakness in the thyroid,
that's going to be somethingthat you might struggle with
your whole life.
But if you know that, you canknow how to support your body
right.
So things like for the thyroid,specifically, brazil nuts.
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Brazil nuts have a lot ofselenium that help your body
uptake iodine.
So getting on Brazil nuts,making sure you're eating lots
of Brazil nuts Not too many,though.
Also, dulse Dulse is reallygreat for iodine content.
It's a natural source of iodineand so that can help support
your thyroid.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
For people who don't know what Dulse is telling.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
It's a type of seaweed Northern Atlantic
seaweed.
It's purple.
It's my favorite kind ofseaweed that tastes the less
fishy than some of the others inmy.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Can you get that in like a shaker bottle, like they
make it into a seasoning?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yep, a lot of people use it for culinary purposes.
I think that's the biggest use.
But yeah, dulse is great.
So knowing those things thatyou're predisposed to, you can
know how to support your body.
And really those in myexperience, those genetic
weaknesses are only going toflare up, so to speak, when your
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body's under a lot of stress.
So whether it's mental stress,emotional stress, physical
stress, that's when they'll actout because they are genetically
weaker tissue.
One interesting thing that Ihave seen is sometimes I'll see
a weakness in the gallbladderarea and I'll say, hey, it looks
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like you have a geneticweakness here in the gallbladder
and they'll say about seventimes out of 10.
They'll say, oh, I had mygallbladder removed.
I was going to ask that.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Does it give you windows into past?
I'm thinking of surgical traumaas the body's gone through like
that removing of a body part orsome sort of Whether it's
ovaries or any number of things.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I bet you that somehow we can't see removed
tissue, but oftentimes, whenthere's a genetic weakness there
, they'll often have had itremoved.
Unfortunately, you cansometimes see really serious
traumas.
For example, if you've had anykind of spinal trauma, you can
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see that on the pupil.
The pupil will often appearflattened in certain areas
depending on which area of thespine we call it an aplenation
of the pupil, where it looks alittle bit flat in one area.
So that is something we can'tsee.
I did see one time my friendhad.
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She wanted me to take somepictures of her family members,
of all their irises, and so Idid.
And she had told me previouslythat her dad had a serious bowel
trauma, His bowel had ruptured.
And when I took a picture ofhis iris she said, Can you see
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that in his iris?
And I went I didn't think thatwas possible, but yeah, I see it
.
Right there there was thisbrown pigment that was just
coming right out of the bowelarea spilling out into the other
areas of the iris.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
And I didn't think those kinds of things happened,
but that appeared to be what hadhappened in his iris, so that
was really fascinating.
Those things don't happen allthe time, but I wonder if it was
traumatic enough that it wasrecorded in the iris.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Interesting.
Okay, well, I want totransition a little bit and I
guess two part here.
One is helping the listener geta sense of like what exactly
when you go through an intake.
Are you doing a verbal intakeof a written form first or do
you go straight to the eye andthen debrief them afterward?
And I ask that because I guessyou know I sent you some
pictures of my eyes because Ithought it might be an
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interesting thing to wrap intothis episode.
So we may be putting the carbefore the horse here, but I'm
fully prepared for him to tellme I look like a maybe a dad of
six kids who might be a littleunder slept or stressed or any
number of things.
So hopefully I'm not going tobe weeping in front of all of
you while we're looking at acouple of pictures of my eyes
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here.
But so one, tell me about theprocess and then we'll.
For the people who are in theirdetox course you actually can
watch this If you're listeningon the podcast.
We'll try to be as descriptiveas we can, but tell me about the
process and then we'll pull upmy photos and see what
insightful things you may havebeen able to find out about my
eyes.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah.
So the process usually peopleare coming to see me for
something specific.
They're either they don't knowwhat's wrong with them, but they
know something is wrong andthey want some more information.
Oftentimes they know that I canhelp them with herbs, but they
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don't know necessarily what theyneed because they've got all
these other problems, or they'relooking to.
They're just kind of intriguedabout irodology and they just
want to do it.
That's great.
They usually learn a whole lotmore than they ever thought they
would about their body.
So when people come in, weusually just take pictures first
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.
I go back and forth.
Sometimes I like to get anintake and other times I like to
just go in blind and just starttalking about what's in
people's eyes, and they'll oftencorroborate what I'm saying.
I'll say oh, it looks like youtend towards a little more
acidity issues.
You may have an under acidicstomach here.
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It looks like there may be someblood sugar regulation
challenges and they go wow, yeah, that makes sense.
So we'll take pictures and thenwe'll talk about it for a
little bit and then I will goand create a report for people
and then they'll come back andwe'll do a follow-up and go
through everything and kind ofcome up with a holistic plan
(36:09):
that they can follow and starttaking care of their body in a
better way.
So that's kind of the processfor most people.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Okay, cool.
Well, we're doing the eyesfirst, because I haven't done
any sort of verbal intake withJordan yet, so you guys will get
the.
This is the first time I'mhearing whatever he's about to
say to you.
So welcome into the client'sconfidentiality room with us.
So go ahead and pull those up,if you will, and give the list.
Give it to me straight, I canhandle it.
(36:39):
Just let me know what you'refinding.
We'll have some fun with it,okay let's see, okay, there it
is.
So these were actually shot onan iPhone, so they may not be
the best pictures I could havesent him, but they're what I was
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able to do, so yeah, it's alittle bit hard when you've got
just a phone camera.
Let's see Normally, people comeinto your office and you have a
fancy camera you take a picturewith.
Is that right?
Yeah, Yep.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Okay, I'm going to put them up here.
Oh, maybe that's.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Interesting One is indoor and one's outdoor, so you
already see the difference inthe lighting.
Okay, so can you see both ofthose on there Right now, I just
see one.
Okay, just one.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, I'm going to zoom in a little bit here, see
if we can get some good stuffhere.
Okay, so it is a little bithard to tell because we've got
some glare there in some areas,but you have a lymphatic iris,
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which is the blue type iris.
You probably already knew that.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I didn't know it was lymphatic.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
But here we go, okay, yeah, so with that I didn't
mention this earlier but withthe different types of viruses,
you're going to have differentsets of predispositions.
Okay, so for people withlymphatic or blue viruses,
they're going to be morepredisposed to having acidity
problems, over acidity problems,lymphatic congestion issues,
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kidney congestion issues,arthritic and rheumatic type
issues.
Those are just the kind ofthings that people will be
predisposed to.
Just to give your listenerssome additional information, in
case they have brown eyes andthey're like well, what about me
?
What am I predisposed to?
The people who have thehematogenic or the true brown,
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dark brown irises they're goingto be more predisposed to things
like arteriosclerosis,intestinal digestive issues,
liver and gallbladder congestion, blood iron issues, things like
that.
People with the lighter browniris, the biliary iris, they're
going to be predisposed topancreatic insufficiencies,
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liver and gallbladder congestionand also intestinal immune
issues as well.
So those are kind of the basicpredispositions.
Okay, now, since you have thelymphatic iris, that may be the
case as well for you, that youhave those lymphatic
predispositions.
I do see around here that itappears that there may be some
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lymphatic topi, those little.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Like the lighter spots.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
You're talking about these little white clouds down
here.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, so that means you may be predisposed to
lymphatic congestion.
Okay, overall you have a prettygood, strong constitution.
Your iris fibers are prettyclose together in most areas.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, I remember there was a picture you sent me
as an example of one that wouldwork and the fibers were as I
zoomed in.
It's like man, there's a lot ofspace.
It would look like the spiderweb.
I couldn't believe how muchspace was in the eye.
So you're saying mine's tighterand that typically is better.
Okay, Carry on, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So we also have.
I'm trying to find whichpicture is better here.
This is a little bit better tosee the colorett.
Do you see this right here?
It's like the little, it almostlooks like streamers yeah, that
are A little squiggly line thatattracts the pupil so that
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everybody has a colorett andthat is more unique to you than
your fingerprints areInteresting.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
So that's very unique and so everything from that
colorett to the pupil is the GItract.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
And so over here, yeah, I can see kind of a
difference in color.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
from where that?
I guess I'm thinking theribbons or the streamers around
the center.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
So this over here is a small intestine.
This is your right iris.
Okay so this is a smallintestine.
This is the cecum part of thecolon.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
This is your ascending colon and transverse
colon.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Okay, interesting Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Tell me more Now.
If we had some pictures on mycamera we might be able to tell
a little bit better.
But immediately around thepupil there might be.
Do you see how it's pretty darkright in there?
Yeah, yeah, Okay, Right there,and then it's lighter around
here.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Okay, so for the listener on the top left, I
guess it'd be the top right ofmy right eye.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
At least surrounding the pupil there's like this dark
ring.
It's a little bit darker grayand then immediately around that
there is a lighter gray ring.
What that often indicates isthat there is under, Potentially
under acidity in the stomachand you know your stomach should
be pretty acidic to help breakdown your food.
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But then also that may, thatlighter gray ring may indicate
that the rest of the digestivetract, the small intestine, the
colon, may be a little bit overacidic.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Okay, and what is a reasonable Like if you find that
, what does somebody take awayfrom that as a practical
tactical thing they could workon?
Obviously there's a lot, but isthere?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Like a primary, are there most likely to be the
things that are making a bigdifference?
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Working on emotionally.
An under acidic stomach oftenindicates feeling unworthy to
receive things.
Huh, okay.
So working on being okay withreceiving, Okay, I mean, that's
something that I struggle with.
I don't like people to help meout.
I want to do it all myself,right.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, nobody likes to feel needy, sure yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
But also working on raising the acidity, and there's
all kinds of things you can dofor that.
My preference is to, ratherthan give the stomach acidity,
is, help the stomach produce iton its own.
So things like celery juice,apple cider, vinegar, ayam
pepper salt real salt I'mtalking about, like red and real
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salt or Celtic salt.
Those kinds of things can helpraise the acidity in your
stomach and that's kind of thefoundation.
You help raise the acidity inyour stomach and that's going to
also help to lower the acidityin the rest of the digestive
tract too.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Okay, that's neat, okay, couple of other things.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, let's get into a little bit more here.
Right here there's a geneticweakness inside.
This is going to be prettyclose to the ileocecal valve,
right there.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Tell people what that valve is.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
So it's basically the valve between your small
intestine and your largeintestine, okay, that open and
closes to allow food and wasteto move into the large intestine
.
Okay, now, this area of tissueis going to be genetically weak,
and so it may have thepropensity to develop a pocket,
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or pockets, inside the colonwalls.
Okay, there is also another oneright here in the small
intestine.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, I would have just looked at that as a space,
but it doesn't seem to match thewidth of some of the other ones
you're looking at.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, and it'd be again.
This would be better if we hadsome lateral lighting like a
flash right there, but obviouslyfor a phone camera this is
actually pretty good.
So those are just areas ofgenetic tissue weakness inside
the colon.
Additionally, the colaret itappears to come right up here
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and it looks like the colaretmay go up here pretty close to
the colon so that.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
But he's talking about that ribbon that it kind
of looks symmetrical, almostlike there's the center of the
flower and then the petals thatform symmetry, and it's like
there's one section near thebottom where it's not quite
symmetrical.
It kind of comes all the way inrather than matching the rest.
Okay, what would that?
Speaker 2 (45:39):
almost like A petal got ripped off or something and
it looks like it kind of justgoes in.
That would indicate geneticallyit's going to be pretty tight
through the cecum part of thecolon right there and the cecum
is the beginning of your colon,so it may be tough for waste to
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move through that area.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Okay, Potentially so.
My takeaway so far is beingmore intentional with gut health
is something that would be justbecause of predisposition.
It seems like that's going tobe something I want to pay
attention to more or lessindefinitely.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yes, absolutely.
Now, moving into the outside ofthe GI tract, here we have a
few genetic weaknesses, right atabout six o'clock.
These look like little openingsin the iris fibers, so they
kind of look dark, gray or blackin the picture that we're
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looking at.
But there's two of them oneither side of the six o'clock
line and these are actuallygoing to run through the adrenal
area that I was expecting.
So stress yeah, sleep yeah.
So I might have some challengesthere.
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This one on the right side isgoing to run through the
adrenals and into the kidneys,and then there's one right at
six o'clock, a little bitfurther down, that's in the
kidney as well.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Okay, yeah, I can certainly say six kids and a
seven month old in the house.
Yeah, add some stress and yeah,there's a lot of stress.
Yeah.
Does that seem more genetic,though like a predisposition or
something yeah.
More, something that would be aresult of recency.
These are genetic.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Okay, so you're going to be more prone to those
things, like I mentioned with,whenever stress comes into play.
Those are the areas that aregoing to feel it more than
others.
So you've got to be making surethat you're supporting your
adrenals, your kidneys.
You probably know how to do allthose things anyway, so you
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probably do all those thingsanyway.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
That this is predisposition, type of things.
It's helpful because it one.
It says, okay, this isn't I gotthe body I got and I need to do
the best I can with it.
And so let me shore up whattends to be or it seems to be an
area where my body would have aharder time than the next
person and I can have.
There's a proactive nature Ican take with this information
too.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah, and then over here it's not quite like these
genetic weaknesses.
This is at about between sevenand eight o'clock, maybe about
seven, 30.
Right here there's a little bitof tissue that's a little bit
weaker.
So in this area you see howthey're not as dense.
(48:49):
Right there and right there.
Yeah, it's going to be in theliver and gallbladder areas Okay
.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, so it really is organ like viscera is where I
tend.
It looks like I have most of mychallenges.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, okay, up here at about 12 o'clock between 11
and one.
Actually.
That's the brain area.
It's really dense in there.
So, you've got a good a good, agood brain.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I can't quite tell because of let's look at the
other one.
Actually this one, yeah, yeah,you can see it a little bit
better.
I know you have that errorreflection?
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Yeah, okay, but you're saying that cognition is
typically not going to be mygenetic predisposition weakness
yeah, it's more gut.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
That's your strength.
Okay, good to hear.
Your strength is the brain yeah, what about that?
Okay, I'm going to keep itgoing.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
I love this part.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Cool, okay, anything else that stands out about those
pictures?
Speaker 2 (49:59):
That's about all I can see.
There may be some pigmentationright here.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Okay, I can't quite tell, hard to see.
That's the part where thecamera reflection is in my eyes.
You're seeing a shadow.
Yeah, the camera.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
There may be some brown or red right in there.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Okay, and what would that?
Speaker 2 (50:16):
tell you it's brown, it's going to be, and you might
be able to just go look in themirror on your right eye and say
, okay, what color is that?
If there is something there?
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
I don't know if this is a.
Let's look on the other one.
Oh, it might just be geneticmarker.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Okay, it looks darker on this other photo.
But what is that Cause so kindof a nine, 10 o'clock is where
he's looking at relative to myeye when?
What is that telling you?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
So if there were a pigment there, if it's brown
it's going to be liver indicated, maybe some liver gallbladder
congestion.
If it's reddish, that's goingto be pancreatic enzyme related
On.
This picture doesn't look likethere is a pigment there, though
this other one that I'm lookingat.
It may be another stricture,though I can't quite tell, so
(51:11):
you might have to go in themirror and look.
If it comes in at about 915,930, nine o'clock, if it comes
in towards the pupil, that'sgoing to be a stricture in the
ascending colon.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
So another A Still.
We're on GI, though, yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
If the pigment is inside that color to the pupil
if there was a pigment there,that's going to be a little more
serious.
Whenever we find a pigmentinside the color to the pupil,
that's a little more serious.
And so making sure you supportyour colon the right ways, eat
(51:52):
lots of fiber clean it outperiodically that's the best way
to support your gut health.
Fantastic With those kinds ofthings, yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Thanks for letting me be your guinea pig and learn
more about this personally.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
So as your listeners get to learn more about you
Right.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
maybe they didn't want to know that I have genetic
predisposition, better care ofmy gut and colon, et cetera.
But here we go now.
You know people.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
And that's the thing with predispositions, you can
take care of yourself reallywell and not have any issues in
these areas.
I've met with people who do alot for their health and I tell
them things and I'm like youhave a predisposition to that
and this.
And they're like, oh well, I'malready doing this and I'm
already doing that and I go.
Great, you're on the righttrack.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yeah, keep at it.
Okay, cool was there.
You said you had some picturesof yourself or your own eyes or
anything dramatically differentthat would be worthy of showing
the listener or the viewer herethat could give them another go.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, let me show you some pigments, what they look
like, so I'm gonna stop sharingthat for a minute and I'll pull
up my other picture here.
All right, there's that.
I'm gonna share this.
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
All right, so this is my left iris.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah, you can see a lot there.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
I'm not sure if I talked over you.
You said it's your left iris.
Yeah, this is my left iris.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
My left iris isn't quite as strong as my right one,
but you can see there's irisfibers here.
There's my colorett pupil andat about 12, just off of not 12
o'clock, six o'clock, maybeabout 6, 15, 6, 10, I've got
(53:46):
this liver pigment.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Wow, that is a very different color.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
And what is that type ?
Speaker 2 (53:53):
So liver is just like it's got some this is a liver
pigment on the adrenal area, sofor me that means my liver
experienced some congestion,stagnation.
That also indicates anger andresentment and fear towards
primary feminine figures.
Interesting does that resonate?
(54:14):
Is that like In some ways yesand in other ways no?
I mean I have a greatrelationship with my mom, a
great relationship with my wife,but from time to time I'll get
angry about things and I'll havesome resentment issues that I
have to work through.
I'm kind of predisposed to thatbecause of this.
Also some fear.
(54:34):
I mean when I was a kid,growing up, I was terrified of
girls.
I would have all these girls whowould have a crush on me and I
would be afraid of them, like Ididn't know how to talk to them,
things like that I didn't, youknow, I just was one of my
weaknesses and now I kind ofknow why I had this fear.
(54:56):
So anyway, there's that.
There's this.
It's a little more yellow.
It'll be kidney related.
Let me go to my right eye now.
Oh, wow, that is different.
I've got some.
This one is actually prettyserious.
(55:16):
This is pancreatic pigmentationand the pancreas area right
here, and that is what we call atopostabil pigment.
It's a type of pigment in thearea, of what type it is.
So it's a pancreas pigment inthe pancreas area.
(55:37):
Additionally, I have a primaryblood vessel.
This is about, for yourlisteners, it's about 130.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
Yeah, what he's talking about is that the white
of the?
I was gonna ask you like,because we've been focused on
the people, but the white of theeye also gives you information.
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Yep, okay, so the white part of your eye is called
your sclera, and whenever youhave a really thick blood vessel
, we call those primary bloodvessels, and they will often
point to areas that are morechallenged.
And so we have, I have thisprimary blood vessel pointing to
that pigment in the pancreasarea.
(56:17):
So that's a little more serious.
My dad's a type one diabetic,so it kind of makes sense.
I was predisposed to that and Iate really, really poorly in
college, lots of processed foods, and those are the worst kinds
of foods for your pancreas.
(56:37):
So I've been working for awhile to clean that up and it's
going pretty well, I would sayNice.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
How recent is this photo?
Speaker 2 (56:49):
This is a couple of years old.
Okay, here in the sclera, theselittle blood vessels, if you
can't see, there's lots oflittle small blood vessels going
in different directions.
Those are more localinflammation in the body, things
(57:10):
like that I have.
One of the biggest questions Iget is will my eyes change?
Like if I do a lot of cleansingthings, will my eyes change?
Will these pigments go away?
Yes, they can.
In my experience they don't,but it kind of depends on the
(57:33):
person.
A lot of it also depends on howmuch change that you create to
heal your body, Because thesepigments often take years to
develop.
Sometimes they can developreally quickly, but most of the
time they take years to depositon the iris, and so it's not
(57:55):
like you're gonna do a cleansingprogram for three months and
then it's gonna go away.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
Yeah, it's a lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah it's a lifestyle .
That's the key.
Yeah, so I don't know how badmy eyes were before this,
because I had done a lot priorto taking these pictures.
These are the first picturesthat I have, but with my
children I've taken pictures oftheir eyes really young so we
can see and track the changesthat happen in their eyes.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
I like it.
Tell us about the for theviewer.
They probably noticed the topleft or the 11, 10 o'clock.
You've got a big differentcolor there.
What's going on there?
Speaker 2 (58:33):
This kind of seems like a sectoral heterochromia,
where a whole section of theiris is colored.
Here it's a little bit orange,a little bit yellow, and then it
extends into the GI tract inthe transverse colon area.
Now, like I mentioned, pigmentsin the GI tract are a little
(58:56):
more serious, and so I got guthealth that I gotta work on too.
So it's not just you, most ofus actually.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
Welcome brother.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, so I'm right there.
So this is orange.
This is gonna bepancreas-related as well.
So, yeah, digestive is a bigthing that I focus on for myself
and helping to make sure thatmy blood sugar is regulated well
(59:25):
, that's another big one.
I'm not.
I don't do doctors, and that'smy choice for my family, so I
don't think I have diabetes.
I didn't.
Last time I went to the doctor,which was seven years ago, so
seven, eight years ago, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
Well cool.
That's what this all indicatesno thanks for the tour here.
It's been fun to have a coupleof different examples and yeah,
our eyes do look different, andso imagine for the listener.
They're intrigued to say whatin the world might my eyes tell
me about myself?
So Very cool.
Anything else you wanna commenton there?
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Yeah, just to make another mention of the sclera.
There are other signs that wecan find in the sclera.
Sometimes there will bepigments like a brown pigment.
Sometimes that happens, it'snot too common.
Other times we'll find thiskind of yellowish substance
toward the medial side of theiris.
So on your right eye that'sgonna be towards the right side.
(01:00:26):
On your left eye that's gonnabe towards the left side.
That's a normal thing whenyou're looking at it like this.
It's gonna be toward your nose,yeah, medial means middle, if
you were to think of it that way, and there will be this
yellowish, whitish, cremishsubstance just to the medial
side of your iris, and that'swhat we call a pingwickula.
(01:00:47):
That's the funnest word to sayin Ayuridology, but that's an
indication of some livergallbladder congestion.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
The other thing I wanted to mention is the pupil
as well.
The pupil can indicate certainthings if it's too dilated or
too constricted.
For example, with a picturelike this, I have really good
lighting, I've got a focusinglight and then I've got a flash
coming from the lateral side,and sometimes people's eyes will
(01:01:19):
still be dilated with thatamount of light, and so what
that often can indicate are someblood sugar regulation
challenges and potentiallyfeeling really overwhelmed.
They may have some adrenalissues, things like that.
Got it If it's too constricted.
(01:01:39):
That often means that a personis really just trying to hold
everything in.
They don't want to let anythingout, and Control it, constipate
it?
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yeah, it sounds like it.
Yeah, constipate it or control,yep, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Those are some other things with the iris.
I mean the pupil is not theiris, but it's related.
And with all of these thingsyou'll notice that I'm not very
specific in the way I talk aboutthese things, like with you.
Know, I'm talking about thepancreas pigmentation and I say
I may have a blood sugarchallenge because, we don't want
(01:02:16):
to step into the medical arenaand get into diagnosing and
things like that.
So we use a little bitdifferent terminology.
Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
in case you're wondering here yeah, but it
could corroborate other, justintuitions, experiences,
diagnoses.
It's a great window into, justfor me, even just having you
take a hip shot at my photosthat are less quality than yours
, to affirm, yeah, no, gi, thatwould be my weakness, and other
things seem to be okay, so veryappreciative.
Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
It's what you said about corroborating.
I do have a good story aboutthat.
I had a client come into me whowanted me to look at his eyes
and he had this sign on thecornea.
So for those of you who don'tknow, the cornea covers the
pupil and along it appearedalong the edge of the iris, but
(01:03:12):
it's actually a deposit on thecornea.
It's like this haziness that yousee along the very edge of a
person's iris here, and he hadthat sign and it was very
apparent and what we call thatit's called a corneal arcus, and
what that is an indication ofis possible lipid deposits in
(01:03:35):
organic salt buildup inside ofthe arteries.
And I said to this person hey,as your doctor told you anything
about your heart health, doeshe have any concerns?
And he said no.
My doctor says my heart's great, there's no issues.
And I said I don't buy it.
I don't know about that, atleast from what your eyes are
(01:03:58):
telling me.
I could be wrong, but I wouldsay to go meet with a
cardiologist, that might be agood idea.
And so he actually had anappointment with this
cardiologist set up for a fewweeks after our appointment.
So we went to that appointmentand he came back and he said
(01:04:19):
that the cardiologist had saidthat he had an 80% blockage in
one of his main arteries.
Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Oh, wow, and you could see that where the other
whatever diagnostic, he had justcompletely missed it.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Yeah, I could see that there was a problem big
enough that he needed to takesome action, really drastic
action.
And yeah, it just.
I mean, the cardiologist saidthe same things, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
So, would you see, I'm thinking more specific here,
like inflammation is kind ofgeneral, but do you see
inflammation in the eyes?
Do you see something likeparasitic or infections?
Do you see something like metaltoxicity or any of those things
that you would notice in theeyes?
Those are some of the thingsthat we can't see.
Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Actually, we can't see parasites, can't see, well,
we can't say, see heavy metalsby name, things like this though
do you see these littlepigments?
This is at about six o'clock, alittle bit more than six
o'clock, 6.15, 6.30.
These little pigments, they'rereally dark gray.
Those may be heavy metals andtoxins in my eye tract.
Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Okay, but I need no because it's inside the.
I'll call it the flower petalsthere.
Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
You'd see that this is going to be right near the
appendix.
Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Yeah, okay, interesting.
Yeah, just so.
It's one other way to peek intoyour body, people, and it's no
blood test required, no needles,no, uh, non-invasive, right,
just you need a good photo andsomebody.
Yeah, they're doing so.
Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
And you can do this.
You can do um iridology with alight and a lens which is kind
of how I started out.
Okay, and that's prettyeffective too.
That's what most people did foryears and years and years.
I mean Hippocrates usediridology, and he would just use
the sun, you know, looking intothe person's iris, um, and so
(01:06:12):
that's.
That's a great way as well.
Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Cool.
Well, so if somebody's hearingthis and they're thinking, gosh,
I want to get into that, I knowyou.
You've got your a free sevenpart email series you do, which
just kind of gives them some ofthe background history of it.
But you also have a, a coursepeople can take.
So tell us about that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
So I developed this course called the at home
iridology course, to helpparents and caretakers use
iridology in their homes,because that's really why I got
started in this I wanted to knowhow to help my family members
when we're dealing with thingsthat we couldn't figure out, and
so I developed this course thatkind of gives you all of the
(01:06:53):
tools and all of the informationthat you need to make a good
evaluation of those in your homeso that you can start taking
care of more things in your home, cause I think the way that
society is going, we kind ofneed to have more things that we
can do on our own and beoutside the system and be more
(01:07:14):
self-sufficient, and so that waskind of the idea behind this,
this course.
Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Love it, okay, well, so as we start to wrap up a
little bit, tell people, I guess, anything more about where they
can find you and your work,where they find this course, and
we'll go from there.
Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Yeah, you can find me at our website, health savesorg
, and you can go and sign up forour free email course on there
about iwardology or check outour at home iwardology course,
just on the website there.
You can also find me onInstagram.
I'm not too active on Instagrambut I do post occasionally.
(01:07:53):
I think it's just JordanGunderson on Instagram and
that's S-E-N.
Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Okay, Cool.
And then you have differentpackages.
I noticed like different, seemslike different depths you get
into related to how much workyou do with iwardology.
Tell people about that.
Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Yeah, so with iwardology there's a few
different things that we can do.
I often will do a live irisanalysis and I really like to
have pictures, so I don't use alight in the lens anymore.
So we'll take a picture of youreye, we'll have you sit down
and I'll just go through thingswith you, like we did here today
(01:08:31):
.
Unfortunately, these all haveto be in person because, like we
just saw, it's a little bitdifficult to really get all the
info from the iris just on apicture from a phone or
something.
And then I also do a full reportwhich is a 75 page write up of
(01:08:51):
every system in your body, soyour detox systems, like your
liver, your kidneys, and thenchannels of elimination, like
your lungs, your battles,urinary system, and then all the
other major systems like thebrain, the endocrine system,
various structures, immunesystem, things like that.
And then we talk about that forabout an hour later.
(01:09:15):
And then I also do a minireport which is kind of a mix
between the two.
Those are for people who don'treally know much.
They just want to learn moreand they're not really
interested in really gettingserious about their health, but
they just want some coolinformation.
Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Cool.
Well, Jordan, this has beenhighly insightful and I'm super
intrigued to know more, and mywife is already like I want to
know what to do for my body.
I don't know what's going on inmy body.
So yeah, thank you so much forthe time today.
I appreciate you carving it outand just educating us and
giving people one other optionoutside the medical system to
just learn more about the bodyand be proactive as a steward of
(01:09:56):
their own body.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yeah, you bet, Christian.
Thanks for having me on.
I always enjoy chatting withyou and I hope your listeners
got some good information fromour discussion here.
Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Oh, no doubt they did All right.
We'll talk to you soon, jordan.
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