Sally Saxon – Unmasking Manipulation: Deep State Tactics, Vaccine Deception, and the Fight for Truth - Deconstructing Conventional

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 35.
This is the fourth in my newsovereignty series and in this
one I wanted to find a guest tohelp me build upon the last
three episodes and help ussharpen our discernment when it
comes to the subtle deep statetactics or propaganda used
against us today to manipulateus or keep us divided or corral

(00:20):
us into their systems of theftand enslavement.
And if that sounds a bithyperbolic or overstated to you,
then I'd encourage you to goback and listen to my last three
episodes so you can really justget a better historical and
non-hysterical sense of theunseen hands puppeteering our
world.
My guest in this interview isthe lovely Sally Saxon.
She is an author and retiredattorney and I always love

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talking with authors becausethey've been forced to wrestle
with words and come up withsuccinct ways of saying and
explaining complicated concepts,manipulation tactics, and we
only covered a handful of them.
But we covered some whoppersand I think they will help you

(01:05):
start to see right throughfuture attempts to manipulate
you and instead help you askfair and discerning questions.
And in fact I think it mightactually help you laugh at some
of the obvious propaganda ratherthan feeling threatened by it.
So in a true sign of the times,I guess you could say.
After we recorded this interview, sally informed me that, due to
the subject matter of her book,she has very strong reasons to

(01:26):
believe that there's a problemwith large number of orders that
have been placed on Amazon andshe suspects those books may
have been blocked or notproperly credited to her account
.
But whatever is happening, shegave me a new website that I'll
post in the show notes, but Iwill also mention it here.
In case you want to order thebook, you could go to
thecvbookcom or the CV standingfor COVID Vax, thecvbookcom.

(01:49):
But I guess the irony here forme is that my last two guests
both had to let me know about aneffort to suppress their work
after we recorded the interview.
So Dr Lee Vliet from my lasttwo episodes had her website
domains maliciously redirectedand Sally appears to be having
her own book sales suppressed.
So, having been personallycensored more times than I can

(02:10):
count, I can tell you that thereare people who don't want you
to hear conversations like whatSally or Dr Vliet and I
discussed.
So here's to another interview.
Your globalist overlords won'tappreciate with information they
don't want you to know.
So I, for one, am not going tostop talking about these topics.
I will keep doing my best tobring their agenda into the

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sunlight.
So, with that said, welcome tomy conversation with the scrappy
, humble, articulate andfearless Sally Saxon.
Okay, hello everyone andwelcome to today's episode.
My guest is Sally Saxon.
She is a graduate ofNorthwestern University School
of Law in Chicago.
She is a retired attorney whoworked for one of the biggest

(02:52):
law firms in Seattle and alsohad her own practice.
For a while.
She served as the executivedirector of a legal foundation
focusing on unlawful or abusivegovernment actions.
She's also the author ofGlobalists on Trial, the Hidden
Agenda to Destroy America fromWithin, which was originally
published in 2020 and with a newedition expected next year.

(03:13):
She is also the lead author onan award-winning book written in
collaboration with two medicaldoctors.
It's titled the COVID-19Vaccines and Beyond what the
Medical Industrial Complex isNot Telling Us and sure, as my
listeners are familiar with,they probably know a good amount
of the content.
But that book, really, what Ilike about it is it presents
compelling evidence that tellsjust a very different story than

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what the corporate media toldus about the COVID vax, and I
guess I'd describe it as aforensic audit of really the
many ways that we've been liedto about virtually every aspect
of it, and it's also a bookabout the bigger and, I'd say,
uglier agenda behind the shots,and Sally and her two co-authors
are also working on an updateto that book as well, expected
to be published, hopefully, bythe end of this year.

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So one other cool relevantcontext for this interview is
that she comes from a family ofhealthcare professionals.
Her dad was a family physicianand surgeon and one of the few
voices of his generation to warnabout the dangers of government
intervention in healthcare.
Sally is also a minister ofChristian International and
she's actively involved in thatministry.
So, sally, welcome to the show.

(04:19):
Thanks for taking the time tojoin me today.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Oh well, thank you so much, Christian.
It's really an honor to be here, and I'm just a big fan of all
that you do.
So thank you for what you'redoing to just really help people
in so many ways.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, you're welcome.
Thank you for saying that.
So one other thing I'll mentionif I'm not mistaken, you've
completed a half marathon inevery state of the US, Is that
right?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yes, state of the US.
Is that right?
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
And a total of over 100 half marathons plus 10 full
marathons in my 60s, no, so justI wanted to get that out there,
because this is a remarkablehuman I'm talking to today.
Very educated, long history inso many different ways.
But, sally, give us yourbackstory.
What led you to become anattorney in the first place and
how did you get into becoming anauthor and really writing about
such big, controversial topics?

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh, my goodness.
Well, what led me to become anattorney in the first place?
It was actually not a whole lotof thought went into it.
I started out as a music majorin college because I'd been very
active and focused on musicmusic music, you know throughout
well, most of grade school,junior, high, high school and
thought I wanted to, you know,be a professional musician.

(05:30):
But I wasn't quite sure.
And after one semester in amusic conservatory I decided no,
I do not want to do this therest of my life.
But I didn't know what I wantedto do.
But I didn't know what I wantedto do.
One of my friends, who was alsoa lawyer and had the love for

(05:50):
music, he just suggested well,you'll probably end up being a
lawyer.
And that's how it got started.
And I really never gave it muchthought that well, what do
lawyers really do, even thoughone of my uncles was a lawyer,
you know.
So that's what got that started.
And so when I so, I practicedlaw for several years in Seattle
.
I no longer live there, butwhen I was with the big law firm

(06:15):
there for several years, mostof my work was doing research
and analysis, like legalanalysis, writing memoranda and
briefs, you know, with theanalysis and stuff, putting all
the legal arguments together.
So it was a very natural kindof transition to just being an
author and it's essentially thesame skills and the same things

(06:39):
just in.
You know different contexts and.
But it's like looking at theevidence and especially when you
see, hmm, there's a problemhere, something is not right,
and and then well, what's the?
What is the problem?
What's the evidence?
You know surrounding, you knowthese issues and you know
Christian.

(06:59):
One thing I I I thought aboutrecently was how you know we
have these major controversialissues you know in society.
But it occurred to me that, atleast for most of them, most of
the ones I've been writing about, in any event, there really

(07:20):
wouldn't be any much controversyat all if the truth were known,
if people really looked at bothsides of the evidence.
Because on a lot of the issues,like the COVID vaccines that we
wrote our book about, theevidence is really, I think,
very one-sided.

(07:40):
The solid, credible evidence isvery one sided and it's not
what you're hearing in thecorporate media, you know, as
you mentioned earlier.
And so if most people knew youknow both sides of the story and
we're not just making judgmentsin the court of public opinion,

(08:03):
judgments in the court ofpublic opinion that's driven by
the corporate media.
I think their views andperspectives on various issues
would be very different andthere wouldn't be much
controversy at all.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah Well, one of the things I was excited about
having you on is because you arean attorney and you have to
look at evidence through thelens of could I prove this in
court.
And when you take that approachto things, you're much slower
to just believe whatever you'retold and say well, what can we
prove?
And sure enough, your book isjust a tome of proving things to
your point that people don'twant known out there.

(08:38):
We'd rather just be able tomanipulate you and tell you
what's real rather than have youactually look at the evidence,
and so I guess I'd love to knowwhat was kind of your big I
can't unsee that moment when itcame to COVID.
When did you know this wasabout so much more than just
what we were being told in themedia?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Okay, well, first I have to back up and say that I
first became aware that therewas a much bigger agenda going
on, way back in the early 90s,when I read a book by a
gentleman called named Gary KaaK-A-H.
It was entitled En Route toGlobal Occupation, and when I

(09:19):
read that, it's like I did notwant to believe it.
I thought no, no, no, you know,it's about, okay, a group of
wealthy elites who had an agendafor a one world government, and
that was my first introductionto it and I did not want to
believe that, like most of usdon't, when we first hear that.

(09:40):
And if we know what you knowtheir bigger agenda is, and if

(10:05):
we know what you know, theirbigger agenda is.
But when I looked at all theevidence that he was presenting
in his book just so many primarysource documents Ied people who
just have their own vision and,you know, started to gain
control over all the majorinstitutions of society and so
forth and they had an agenda.
Now at that time we didn't knowas much about their full agenda
as we know now, especially youknow what COVID has exposed.

(10:29):
But so that's kind of afoundation where I already came
with that understanding andknowledge that there was, you
know, a much bigger picture to alot of these major events and
crises that we've experienced inour country.
So when COVID, you know, wasfirst start being discussed,

(10:51):
well, I guess one of the firstthings that hit me was, you know
, when they started talkingabout lockdowns and and and
things in the other measures,masking and and then, especially
when they started to say thereare no effective treatments, you
know, for this and I thought no, no, no, no, this is just one

(11:14):
of their schemes, another one oftheir schemes.
And so that was.
That was a big clue for justthe COVID part.
Now the vaccines it was alittle bit different researching

(11:41):
what other researchers hadfound when they took a drop of
the from a vaccine vial and putit under the microscope and I
saw the photos of what theyfound.
Yep, you know that, you knowyou really couldn't unsee, I
mean because basically what theywere finding was these are not

(12:01):
things that should be in avaccine.
It had nothing to do with youknow, helping people prevent
getting a certain disease orsickness.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, that was one of the things I found in
researching how to help peoplerecover from adverse events,
from those things is like, whatam I actually trying to help
people overcome?
And there's, to your point,there's just so many things that
shouldn't be there.
Or there's things where, like,is this a bug or a feature?
That this is in here and and so, yeah, it is a quagmire.
So you already mentioned that.
The one of like, wait, what'sin these shots?

(12:34):
Or were there any other thingsthat just surprised you or kind
of were jaw dropping moments asyou were writing this book?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Oh, there were.
Yeah, there were several things, I would say one of the main
things was because I already hadthe background and the
foundation of knowing that thesewealthy elites have a bigger
agenda and so forth.
Because I had that background,I wasn't surprised that they

(13:02):
would just do anything to try toadvance their agenda.
But what surprised me was theextent of all the lies,
deceptions, corruption andeverything that they did.
It just was, you know,practically every single point
that I was researching about thevaccines, you know, and also

(13:25):
about just COVID in general, butespecially in the vaccines
practically every point wherethey could lie, misrepresent
data, manipulate data, cover updata, suppress information, make
stuff up, they did it.
And it just was like incrediblethat you know they were able to

(13:47):
to just do this with seeminglywith impunity, not even caring
about the results.
Because, they had their agendain focus and they knew what they
wanted to do and they weretelling us what they wanted to
do, but a lot of people were notpaying attention and so like,

(14:07):
yeah, that was.
That was one of the surprisingthings.
Another was the extent of theharm done by the shots, as well,
as you know what people werefinding to be in the shots, and
that was, you know, surprising.
Plus, just, you know, when youthink about an octopus and it's

(14:29):
got its arms in everything goingevery which direction.
Just the massive amount ofcoordination on so many
different points and getting somany people in positions of
power and authority at differentlevels to go along with, you

(14:51):
know what they were dictatingshould be done, what needed to
be done.
That was rather stunning, eventhough I was aware of, you know,
the big picture and theiragenda generally.
But I, you know their fullagenda really went beyond what I

(15:12):
was aware of before.
So that's partly what oursecond book is going to be about
.
Is, you know, going further?
What is the end game of allthis?

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, Going further.
What is the end game of allthis no-transcript?

(15:53):
I'm like I guess the FirstAmendment is just a suggestion
here.
We're not really going todefend that and there's no
penalty for violating it.
And yeah, it was, it wasthorough.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
So what was it that led you to?
I guess you can respond to thatif you want.
But what was it that led you towrite this book?
Like you, don't listening totestimonies of people who had
suffered serious adversereactions to the shots.
It was so heartbreaking becauseit upended their entire lives.
You know, it's not just thatnow they've got these major
physical problems they didn'thave before, but they lost the

(16:37):
job.
In many cases they lost the jobthat they took the shot to keep
, but they ended up losing itanyway.
That was very sad.
Now they've got the physicalproblems Plus because they're
not able to physically do allthe things.
It totally upended their familylife, their marriages,

(17:02):
relationships, not able to docertain things with the kids
that they used to be able to do,plus the financial hit, because
not only did they lose anincome from not having their job
, but now their medical expenseshave substantially increased
because their insurancecompanies were not covering a
lot of the costs, and and so youknow they're having to come out

(17:24):
of pocket for remedies and alot of them couldn, and and so
you know they're having to comeout of pocket for remedies and a
lot of them couldn't affordcertain kinds of treatments and
and going from doctor to doctorto try and figure out what's
wrong.
Plus, their doctors were, inmany cases, were not supporting
them at all, because theirdoctors often said we think it's
just in your head, and whetherthat was because they really

(17:48):
believe that or because theywere being threatened or
intimidated to not put down onthe chart, the patient's chart,
that, oh, this is vaccinerelated.
You see, they could get introuble because, remember, now
we've got electronic records,thanks to Obamacare, that they
have to write everything down.

(18:08):
So they've got the doctors havesomebody looking over their
shoulder.
Well, all the nursing and thenurses and so forth, somebody's
looking over their shoulder tosee.
You know what they're doing,what they're prescribing, you
know what their diagnosis is andsniff.
So if they're truthful and theyrealize it's a vaccine injury,
some of them are very reluctantto even do that, much less to

(18:30):
report the injury or adversereactions to VAERS, the Vaccine
Adverse Event Reporting System,which they're legally required
to do if they suspect that is ayou know, a cause of a problem.
And so so we, um, we have that.

(18:52):
So it was.
Those heartbreaking testimonieswas one inspiration, but the
other part of it was, you know,exposing which, the bigger
agenda and the big picture thatall things COVID fits into,
which, you know, some people,other people, are exposing that

(19:14):
and you know we're not unique tothat.
But you know, every book, everyinterview, every person who
speaks out about this isreaching a different group of
people, and so we need morevoices to speak out and, you
know, expose the bigger agendabehind this, as well as the
dangers of the shots and and butI was thinking the other day,

(19:39):
it's not just enough for peopleto know the fact that these
shots have caused tremendousharm, both in terms of
unprecedented numbers of deathsand serious adverse reactions,
but also it's important to knowwhy they're causing this.

(20:00):
What is it about these shots?
Because that is relevant to nowand going forward and what is
being done with technologies andwhat you know.
It's not just a matter ofshutting off the COVID shots.
Why they're causing this, thenthat helps with diagnosis as

(20:25):
well as treatments.
But you know, it's a muchbigger picture than that and our
book is still very relevant fortoday, even though it came out
about a year and a half ago,because of the issues it raises
that really go beyond COVID andhelp to make people aware of all

(20:46):
these, of the big picture,first of all, that all things
COVID fit into, but also, youknow just the many ways in which
people have been deceived.
You know by this, and we youknow we don't want people to be
deceived, because that leads todecisions about their life and

(21:09):
that affect not only their lifeand their families but everyone
else too.
So as a whole, as a nation, weneed as many people as possible
to be aware of what's reallygoing on.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Right, Well, and thank you for doing that work.
I know it's thankless andtireless and I've been kind of a
researcher in parallel with you, just finding similar things
and unearthing stories andevidence, and it's just at some
point you kind of cross the Ican't not talk about this, I
can't pretend I don't know thisand for you to create this time
capsule of a record andsomething for other researchers

(21:43):
to build on and and findevidence.
It's a gift to humanity and toyour point about it continuing
to be relevant.
If you haven't been payingattention, there's a they're
hell bent on getting this mRNAtechnology into everything and
turning pretty much everymedication into and just call
them a vaccine.
Now, no matter what you've got,we'll just have a vaccine for
diabetes and cancer and as ifthat's we can say that word and

(22:06):
somehow it's now protected andperfect and and that they're
even trying to sneak this geneediting into our food.
It's in organic yogurt andkombucha and it's everywhere.
And once you get that, there'sa threat here.
That's why this kind ofevidence becomes really
compelling and important.
So anything you want to say inresponse to that?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Well, that's part of what we'll cover more in the
second book.
It's already there to a certainextent in the first book.
But, yeah, the threats that wenow face because of the
Pandora's box that COVID opened,of several different things
that we really need to be awareof, and it's like now one of the

(22:52):
things, the big lessons, Ithink, from the COVID era, even
though the, the health emergencymight be technically over, as
much as we'd love to all put,we'd all love to put COVID
behind us, we really can't, youknow, partly because we still
have a lot of people, you know,suffering from serious adverse

(23:15):
reactions, but also because ofthese, these threats that we've
become aware of to an evengreater degree because of COVID,
to an even greater degreebecause of COVID and, you know,
in addition to things that weknew before, like some of the

(23:37):
things that you mentioned.
So, yeah, it's having thatunderstanding, but we need to
take one of the lessons is thatyou know we need to take more
personal responsibility.
You know we need to take morepersonal responsibility for our
own health because a lot of thedoctors, medical doctors and
other healthcare providers don'tknow.

(23:57):
You know what.
You know what COVID hasunleashed, you know what's in
these shots.
They don't know how to properlyor accurately diagnose a
person's problem.
You know, you've probably heardof of of people too, who had a
serious adverse reaction to theshots and they went from doctor
to doctor to doctor to doctortrying to find somebody who

(24:19):
could figure out what theirproblem was.
And, um, you know that that's avery difficult thing.
Like if, if some of thosedoctors kind of read our book,
they'd get a clue and realizethat, oh, this has something to
do with a vaccine.
But and that's one of theproblems now is that both
patients and doctors a lot ofthem have not yet made that

(24:44):
connection between some of theirnew health problems and the
vaccine.
And if they knew that thevaccine was responsible for this
certain condition, then itwould really help both doctors
and patients to know whatdirection to go as far as

(25:05):
treatment and diagnosis as well.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, I've referred to it as ABV disease.
It's anything but vaccine.
It just it can't be that.
So we have to chase down everyother possible idea for where
this might, where these symptomsmight be coming from, and never
entertain and it's just to yourpoint.
It's the uncomfortable natureof entertaining.
Could this be?
And what does it mean?

(25:30):
That I missed it?
Or maybe that I participated init?
Or I acted from fear?
It just brings up so manyuncomfortable questions.
But at some point we have to beable to step back and say maybe
it is that.
And to your point if we can'tsay that, then we're going to be
chasing the wrong rabbitsindefinitely.
So thank you for writing thatand bringing it into the light.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, and it's a challenge because, I mean, I can
understand why people don'twant to believe that our own
government could be doingsomething intentionally to harm
us, because that's what it comesdown to.
When you look at the fact thatBecause that's what it comes
down to when you look at thefact that the government knows,

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the pharmaceutical companiesknow, without a doubt, that
these vaccines, these shots, arecausing unprecedented numbers
of deaths and serious adversereactions.
They know that and yet theycontinue.
They not only have not pulledthem from the market, they

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continue to push them even onbabies as young as six months
old and they're on the childhoodvaccine schedule now.
So that should you know, sendyou know all kinds of safety
signals and warnings, like toparents, to everybody, that
there's something going on here.
Because ordinarily, under theirnormal practices, if they were

(26:58):
aware that a certain drug hadresulted in, you know, 50 deaths
or even less, or so manyserious injuries or even less or
so many serious injuries, thedrug would have been pulled off
the market very quickly, eithervoluntarily by the drug
companies or by the government.
I mean, that's been the pastpractice, right?

(27:21):
And if you were to apply thosesame criteria that they've used
in the past to these shots, well, first of all, they would never
have been authorized in thefirst place.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
But once they were, the shots should have been
pulled you know like within thefirst month.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, well, in 1976, I created a webinar called the
C19 Vax webinar.
You can find it on my website.
But in 1976, there was a quoteunquote swine flu outbreak and
so they made a rush to vaccinethe market and I think like 45
people died and they pulled itoff the market.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
And not even that many.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, and before the manufacturers had liability back
then.
Today they don't, and so what'suncomfortable about looking at
this honestly is that somebodylike a lawyer what I love you
and others have been able to dois you can now show intent, and
that's the ugly part that this.
This wasn't just an accidentand good people doing the best

(28:16):
they could under pressurecircumstances.
There was malicious intentbuilt up over a long time and
there was a rollout, and then,now that the evidence of harm is
here, like anyway, never mind,as you were, and there's no in,
there's no will to coursecorrect and make any ask for
forgiveness or anything likethat.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Right, yeah, and so there's some real sinister
things going on here.
With the whole vaccine campaign, and even with the 1976 swine
flu vaccination campaign, itlasted only two months Actually
I think they had less maybe only25 or so deaths associated with
that and maybe several hundredcases of Guillain-Barre syndrome

(28:58):
and they pulled it off Okay.
But the big difference, as youpointed out, was the
pharmaceutical companies stillhad liability then.
They don't now, well, or dothey?
But that's a whole nother issuebut on paper, and so far the

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pharmaceutical companies havebeen able to escape liability.
So when I started doing a littleresearch the other day on on
product recalls and when werethey?
What, under what circumstanceswere different products recalled
I found that in most cases likeonce the FDA, for example,
found, you know, contaminationof bacteria in some kind of food

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or something the manufacturervoluntarily pulled it off
because they knew they hadliability.
If they didn't pull it from themarket and people got really
sick or something or died,they'd have a lot of liability.
So just that threat ofpotential liability was enough

(30:06):
to cause them to makecorrections very quickly.
Potential liability was enoughto cause them to make
corrections very quickly.
And when you compare that tonow, when there's no liability,
and now, over three and a halfyears later, with huge,
unprecedented numbers of deaths,I mean people will be amazed at
what the actual estimates ofdeath are.
Now that's coming out in oursecond book too.

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It's like why haven't theseshots been recalled long ago?

Speaker 1 (30:34):
And that's where we're at.
Yeah Well, as we talked aboutshaping this interview, we
thought it'd be because there'sso many details like that and
your book does a good job oflaying it out, so we don't need
to go through every instance ofall the different shenanigans.
But one thing we thought mightbe a service to humanity was
just to help people see througha propaganda engine, help us

(30:55):
sharpen our discernment.
We kind of just now have tolive out this mantra of question
everything and attempt to dothat without being paranoid, but
also do it with a desire forfairness and a genuine effort to
seek truth.
So one of the things I likeabout your book is you just kind
of go through some of thesedeep state tactics we'll call
them these different ways thatwe are manipulated or gaslit or

(31:15):
led to believe something that'snot true, and so I think you've
got something like 17 that yousent me like oh my gosh.
So we're going to probablystick around half a dozen,
because so we just don't makethis a five hour episode.
But so talk us through some ofthe things that you learned or
that became the most obvious orhelpful ways people can see
through this attempt to make usmalleable, manipulative humans

(31:38):
who will just follow whateverthe propaganda engine tells us.
Help us sharpen our discernmentin that arena.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
OK, sure, and again, as I mentioned earlier, there's
a foundation of understandingthat there's a bigger picture
and an agenda behind all this,and if a person does not
understand that, they're goingto not understand.
You know anything else aboutCOVID, this whole crisis, crisis

(32:13):
, but okay.
So one of the big things isthat they you know we're talking
about this group of you know,wealthy elites who have a lot of
power and control overpractically every major
institution of society, thatthey've built that up over many
decades and, and especially whenthey control the major media,
the, or I should say thecorporate media, but they're

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they're less and less in themainstream than they used to be
because of the explosion ofindependent media now, which is
a good thing, but, but the thewhen you have the mouthpiece or
the platform of the corporatemedia to help spread your
narrative, you can create theperception of a lot of things

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that are not true.
But so one of the big thingsthat they do is they love to
create their own crisis in manykinds is they love to create
their own crisis in many kinds.
Most of them are like afinancial crisis, major
financial crisis, healthemergencies and terror acts or
war.

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A lot of their things are inthat category.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
It's theatrics, essentially, as well as climate
change.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
You should add climate change in there.
That's a biggie, biggie, yeah,okay, so all they have to do is
create the perception, uh, ofthis big crisis, which they were
able to do very successfully,you know, with covid, through
many different, many differentways.
Um, and, and they do thisbecause then that enables them
to do a little quantum leap,they can do a series of quantum

(33:54):
leaps to advance their agenda,and because when you have a
crisis, it kind of causes thingsto shift, and take that quantum
leap, you have an accelerationof, uh, of everything you know,
so that you know there's alwaysa new normal, a new level, uh,

(34:18):
that you, you can't ever gobackwards.
so they, they tend to createtheir own crises through a whole
series of steps to create theperception of stuff.
But now I should say it doeshave real impacts, sure, but
it's the fear mongering thatcomes from creating the crisis

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that leads to the negativeimpacts, whether it's financial
impact or deaths from COVID.
I mean, people did die fromsomething called COVID, but it
was never.
When you look at the evidence,the strong evidence, you see it
was never a dangerous globalpandemic.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
But that was the perception they needed to create
in order to get to the nextstep, which was the vaccines
which are also not vaccines bylegal definition, so they create
their crisis to cause areaction.
You know so much fear andanxiety like oh my goodness,
there's big, dangerous globalpandemic.

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What should we do?
Oh OK, big dangerous globalpandemic.
What should we do?
Oh, okay, so what did they do?
The lockdowns, the face masks,the social distancing, uh, and
then finally the shots shuttingdown main street in favor of
wall street.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Let's get all.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
The small businesses are not essential and the big
ones are suddenly right and I,and I guess the thinking behind
it is if you create a crisis, orthe perception of a crisis,
that's big enough, it'll causethe fear and anxiety that leads
people to make differentdecisions than they would
otherwise make, and and sothat's yeah we just we wanted

(36:06):
you guys to have that reminder.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Some of you already know this, but when you see more
crises rolled out in the future, pump the brakes for a second
pause, take a deep breath andsay is this another fake story?
Is this another manufacturedcrisis?
Yes, it can have real worldimplications, but it is also
manufactured.
And to what end?
Who's benefiting from this?
Those are that we have thatdiscernment when you see more

(36:30):
large-scale crises get rolledout to us in the months and
years ahead right and andactually these crises uh usually
uh serve many, many differentobjectives right uh, you know,
uh, you know it can coverfinancial it can?

Speaker 2 (36:50):
you know they want to weaken the individual finances,
weaken the economy of the wholecountry.
They want to cause divisionbetween peoples.
You know they want to put smallbusinesses out of business and

(37:11):
favor the big businesses.
You know if they want todepopulate, they'll do something
that will kill off a bunch ofpeople.
That will disable a lot ofpeople, make them dependent,
make people more dependent onthe government or on the state
or on on this group of unelectedpeople who've self-appointed
them themselves to thesepositions of power and authority

(37:34):
over everyone.
So, yeah, but I agree with you,it's like okay when another big
thing comes along.
You know, ask yourself just thequestions that you just posed,
you know, is this real or isthis just another scheme, you
know, to advance their agenda?

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, does this take away or add to my
self-sufficiency?
And usually it's.
If there's some independenceyou have, that's not in line
with what they want.
So there's reasons you need tofollow orders.
That's one of the ways you cansniff out an agenda like that.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, yeah, that's very good, yeah, and so another.
Another thing they use isthrowing around the term
conspiracy theory.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Oh, I love this one.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, I mean, I love that one too.
And and that that term aroseand came into popularity several
decades ago, apparently by theCIA.
They figured this is a greattactic to throw people off the
track, to divert people'sattention away you know from

(38:41):
what they're really doing behindthe scenes and just say, oh,
that's just conspiracy theory,and you know what those people
are saying and that's beendebunked a long time ago, so
let's just go on from here.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
And so it's just a diversionary tactic.
And the fact of the matter isthere are conspiracies.
This is and one of the quotesin our book by David Rockefeller
and one of the quotes in ourbook by David Rockefeller who's

(39:20):
one of the top conspiratorfamilies.
That's part of this whole bigpicture and agenda.
I mean he even came out andadmitted in his memoirs that I
couldn't believe it.
When I read it the first timemany years ago.
I had to go to the library andcheck out the book myself to see
, and it's like, oh my gosh.
He did in fact say that hebasically admitted that you know
, just like a lot of people hadaccused him and his family, you

(39:43):
know, of conspiring against thebest interests, or that they
were part of a cabal, a secretcabal working against the best
interests of the United Statesand conspiring with people all
over the world to form basicallya better one world political

(40:03):
economic structure.
And he says if that's theaccusation, then yes, I plead
guilty and am proud of it.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
And then there are other things.
Even John John F Kennedy warnedus about this monolithic
organization.
So there's, you know.
So these are not just theories.
Conspiracy just takes two ormore people agreeing to carry
out a certain agenda.

(40:34):
And so we've got a lot morepeople than that for the most
part not a hundred percent, Iwould say, but for the most part
it.
You'd probably be safe toassume that it's not theory,

(40:56):
it's fact Right.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Well, I want to work on this one for a second Cause
it's like I've come to accept itas a compliment rather than a
an insult.
It's meant to be to your pointof pejorative, it's meant to be
a put down to people, and one ofthe things I love doing on this
show is defining our terms.
So, okay, let's take conspiracytheory and let's define it Well
.
Conspiracy is describing theory.
So what's a theory?
A theory is just a guess, it'sa framework to try to make sense

(41:22):
of what we're seeing.
And a conspiracy theory is we'retrying to guess what people
might be conspiring to do basedon evidence.
And they could be conspiring tosell you a chicken sandwich, or
they could be conspiring, likethe Rockefellers, to take over
the world.
But to be able to stand andrecognize that people use it as
a dismissive term, to not haveto entertain the merits of your

(41:43):
argument or look at evidence,it's an easy thing to recognize
and call people out on or toframe and point out that they're
doing what's called an adhominem attack.
They're attacking you orthey're attacking the messenger
rather than looking at theevidence.
And if you can calmly, kindlypoint that out and recognize
that, well, there's all sorts oftheories about what might be

(42:05):
going on in the world and no oneknows everything.
So I'm trying to form one andhere's some evidence and and
keep them from making itpersonal and making more about
the evidence.
That can go a long way and toyour point.
Most of the time it's the lagbetween that conspiracy theory
just a conspiracy fact keepsgetting shorter because it's
easier to sniff these things outnow.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yes, yes, um, and another thing that they do it's
kind of related to this iswhat's called the big lie, which
means that you know, people aremore likely to believe a very
big lie than they are to believesome smaller lies, because it's

(42:46):
really hard to get your headaround.
Certain big lies like COVIDsaying that COVID was a
dangerous pandemic and we'vecalled that a lie that they
should be able to trust couldpossibly be intentionally

(43:11):
scheming to harm us.
That lies it's simply too bigto believe.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah, you just think no one would do that yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, and so this was a tactic of the Nazis, as you
know that the bigger the lie,the easier it was for people to
accept because threatened thelives of millions and billions,
hundreds of billions.
And another tactic they use isto accuse the enemy of the very

(44:00):
things that they're doing.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
And in the context of COVID shots, for example, or
all things COVID, the termmisinformation spreader, you
know, comes to mind.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Perfect example.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Who is really spreading the misinformation
here?
And yet many doctors have losttheir jobs, have lost their
licenses, have lostcertifications, have lost
positions as editors of journals, things like that because they
dared to speak out what theyknew to be true from their own

(44:38):
practice, as well as from thegovernment's own data and from
Pfizer's own data.
Uh, the government's own dataand from Pfizer's own data.
Uh, it's right there.
Um, you know in black and whiteand uh, yet the you know the
government a lot.
They do so many things withtheir data.

(44:59):
They ignore it, they manipulateit and they misrepresent it.
For example, the CDC, for thelongest time and maybe also
still now, although I thinkthey're admitting a little bit
they were saying no, there havebeen no deaths associated with

(45:19):
the COVID vaccines, While theirown database well, not just one,
but the VAERS database, theirmilitary database, the CMS, the
Center for Medicaid and MedicareServices, that database and
maybe others as well, we're allshowing, you know, deaths, you

(45:43):
know from the vaccines even,like some of many of them, that
same day they got the shot, orthe day after, or within.
A couple of weeks after, and yetyou know they're saying, oh,
there's no deaths, you know here.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
So yeah, those fit so well in that big lie framework,
because a lot of times it justseems like they're making up
numbers or they're statistical.
What's the quote?
I think it's the.
There's lies, damn, or lies,damn, lies, and statistics right
, there's that.
Yeah, you can take statisticsand just bend them any way you
want.
I think Fauci just goes on TVlike, oh, let's make up some
numbers on the spot, like you gotry to look up what he said and

(46:19):
there's, there's nothing tofall back on.
But he's, he wouldn't just makethat up, there's got to be
something somewhere that wehaven't found.
And no, they just lie.
And once you get it, that'sjust, they're speaking their
native language, they rely uponyou, expecting no one would do
that.
And it's like, come on, it justsounds too crazy.
There's probably a goodexplanation and we just move on

(46:40):
with our lives not realizing no,that was intentional.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yes, yeah.
And, for example, related tothe vaccines.
Oh, the vaccines have savedhundreds of thousands or
millions of lives, right, Do youhave a citation for that?
Yeah, well, you'd be surprisedwe're addressing that in our
second book too specifically.
But yeah, or how about this one?

(47:04):
Well, even though the vaccines,they may not prevent
transmission, they may notprevent you from getting
infected, but at least theyreduce or lessen the severity of
symptoms.
And there's no evidence of that.
Yeah right, it's a great linethat supports their narrative,

(47:27):
but it's like there's noevidence that that is true, but
it sounds good.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
No, it does.
And Fauci gets to go on andjust tell people how hard he
worked and how the science keptchanging and it's just this
gross continual retreat, withoutrecognizing that.
No, I'm just lying to you andI'm just doing it long enough
till any consequence I couldbear, for this activity has, has
passed me, and and the beatgoes on yeah, and, and one of

(47:55):
the problems is that the peoplewho are spouting the lies, like
fauci, um, I mean, he knows heright, he knows exactly what
he's doing that he's lying.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
So the people making these statements, even many
doctors or other representativesof other government agencies,
you know they seem veryrespectable, they seem very
knowledgeable, very professional, but they're lying and the when
.
The problems here is they don'tlook like what we might expect

(48:31):
liars to look like, you know,because their outward appearance
and their credentials.
But another part of the problemhere is you.
If you start getting into thebig money, huge amounts of money
that were thrown at a lot ofpeople in various situations,

(48:55):
like some of the researchers orwriters of medical journal
articles, some of the people whowere, you know, even in
government regulatory agenciesor in hospital systems, doctor's
offices there was just anunprecedented, enormous amount
of money.
We're talking many, manybillions of dollars that were

(49:20):
thrown at people to spread theword, to encourage people to get
the shots.
You know, yeah, they celebritiescelebrities, you know
celebrities uh leaders in thecommunities, including pastors
churches.
Yeah, that's the ugly one yeah,business leaders, other you know
politicians, others who, uh,maybe, were respected and they

(49:47):
were encouraged to have theirfollowers get the shots and took
a lot of money for it, and theproblem was, if you took the
money and then changed your mindand start speaking out against
the shots, my understanding isyou had to pay all the money

(50:10):
back.
Well, so, and and this was trueof, like many of the medical
boards or licensing agencies,departments of health, various,
uh you know, so it was a is abig problem, but uh, anyway,

(50:30):
going on to um, uh, another youknow issue, uh, this was uh
demonizing uh any anything oranyone who was thwarting their
agenda or speaking out againsttheir agenda, and so like, for
example, in COVID, a greatexample is how they demonized

(50:56):
medicines likehydroxychloroquine, ivermectin
and others, saying no, those arenot only not effective but
they're dangerous and don't takethese, that Ivermectin is just
a horse dewormer, and so theywould demonize these things so
that people wouldn't take them,and they've done that with some
other you know medicines alsorelated to this and warning

(51:21):
people, you know, not to usecertain things, because they
knew those were the very thingsthat would be helpful, that
would stop COVID in its tracksin early treatment.
So the government was sayingthere is no early treatment.
You know, if you can't, if youcome to a point you can't

(51:42):
breathe, go to the hospital thenbut there's no early treatment.
And you've got a lot of otherdoctors saying what do you mean?
There's no such thing as earlytreatment.
You know, we've never had that.
Of course there's ways to treatthese and they were being very
successful, almost 100% ofpreventing hospitalizations and
deaths from COVID and deathsfrom COVID.

(52:03):
Right, well, the government, Imean the vast majority of people
who ended up in the hospitalwith COVID and were given the
hospital government protocols.
Most of them died.
Yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Yeah, it's not just demonization of things that
worked For me that one that youmentioned.
Just step back, rewind and nowthink about it logically.
There's nothing else in theworld that you can possibly do
for your health.
We can't help you any other way.
The only thing to do is waittill you get sick and then pray
for a arm juice to show up thatwe can inject in you, and that's

(52:38):
your only thing that canpossibly help your health.
It doesn't even pass the snifftest yet.
We just kind of were in thattrance and fell for it.
Yeah, it doesn't even pass thesniff test yet.
We just kind of were in thattrance and fell for it.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, and so there were a lot of things you know
that just did not even makesense.
Yeah, like for the doctors whosaid what do you mean?
There's no early treatment?
Yeah, of course that's what wedo there are treatments.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah and so, but they were demonized and not listened
to, even though many of thosedoctors had 30, 40 years of
experience and they were savingpatients right and left.
So, in any event, that'sanother thing that they do.
So when you hear the media orthe government demonizing

(53:21):
certain people or certainpossible treatments, certain
people or certain possibletreatments, think again.
It might be that the ones whoare really telling the truth
that you need to listen to arethe people or things that are
being demonized.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Right, I'm going to give one other example so you
guys can look for this when yousee it happening, because it's
such a predictable.
Normal tactic is they accusepeople of inappropriate sexual
behavior and then what thebeautiful thing that does for
them is that keeps them fromhaving to divulge any other
nefarious behavior that personhas because we can put them away
.
Now we just make up, fabricatesome charges that they were

(53:57):
inappropriate, and now they'regone and all the other crimes
they committed are now sweptunder the rug, which is probably
what's happening with KlausSchwab right now at the World
Economic Forum.
He's being accused of all thissexual misconduct, never mind
all the other gross things hedid.
We can just put him away forthat.
So if you see that it may begross and it wouldn't be
shocking if Klaus was engaged inthat, but what it does is give

(54:19):
them a free pass from the otherthings and so so just recognize
that's part of their playbook todemonize people.
Sometimes it's even of theirown.
I think Klaus has probablypassed his useful phase and he's
the chew toy they're ready tospit out and and move on to the
next puppet, who will dowhatever they tell him to.
So be be aware of that one.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yeah, and then there's also things like you
know silencing dissent, and theydo this by.
You know censorship, andprobably most of your viewers
know there's Matt.
There has been massivecensorship.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Overt and covert yes.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah, yeah, and in this, and so it should make you
wonder well, why is it theydon't want us to hear about?

Speaker 1 (55:04):
this information.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
You know, and why are they trying so hard?
And then also, yeah, likedeplatforming people, making it
hard for some of the independentmedia to even continue.
You know their messagingbecause you know the government

(55:26):
messes with their finances orthey do something.
I mean, it's just all kinds ofthings and that leads us to like
mafia-like tactics.
Oh my gosh.
And one of the names for thisgroup of people is the Khazarian
Mafia Khazarian, referring tothe part of the world that this
group originated in, and mafia,kind of describing the tactics

(55:50):
that they use.
You know where they not onlylying and deception, but you
know threats, intimidation,blackmail.
You know those are big ones.
You know shaking down people.
There's just all kinds of waysthat they use because they will

(56:11):
do anything.
They will do anything, theywill stop at nothing to advance
their agenda.
It's like they've got noconscience.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Right, it's broken Our heart of stone applies to
them.
Yeah, there's a disgust, oreven just repulsion at that
human suffering or the humancondition.
And people are just acollection of randomly assembled
molecules, not souls, not,there's nothing precious or
important about them, and sothey're just things to
manipulate in nature.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Yeah, exactly, you know, we see from uh some of the
spokesmen of this uh cabal, uh,that they're even seeking to
change what it means to be humanand they come out with
statements that the rest of usis like I can't believe.
They seriously believe this orthis is what they're trying to

(57:02):
do.
It's kind of like the agenda isso radical that it's difficult
for people, normal people, toimagine that any other human
being would have any thought ofdoing certain things to humanity

(57:22):
and intentionally harming anddoing things.
That's another reason why it'sdifficult for many people, I
think, to accept all thesethings that are happening is
because normal people don'tthink the way these people do.
Whether you want to call thempsychopaths or sociopaths, I
don't know, but they do.

(57:43):
You know they do not think andact like normal people.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Right and appreciate that they rely upon our visceral
repugnance to that to continueto keep it going.
They know that it like we can'tconceive of that and since I
can't cross the intellectualbridge of why would someone do
that, that's their opening,that's their window to keep
doing what they're doing becausewe just can't believe it's that

(58:10):
bad or could scale to thebreadth of what it is and that's
to their credit, in our blindspot yeah, I think we're at a
point now where, um, peoplecannot afford to be unaware of
the big picture, of the biggeragenda and and the whys behind

(58:32):
it all and the ways that theyuse to deceive and manipulate
you know people and situationsto serve their agenda, to
advance their agenda.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I mean this is like not optional anymore to learn
about this stuff, because youknow we are in this war against
humanity being waged by our owngovernment and all those who
serve them.
And even if you want to look atwho's behind all this we were

(59:06):
discussing that in the secondbook, but I mean it goes way up
beyond the people whose faces wesee on TV.
You know there's there's higherlevels than that, but you know
the key is like, what do we needto do?
And, of course, one of thebiggest things that we can all

(59:30):
do is just simply not go alongwith their agenda.
If they're going to impose morelockdowns, masking social
distancing, you know shots ofany kind, just say no.
You know, no, we're not going todo that.
And because, if they can't, Imean we're much more numerous,
you know, in number than theyare.

(59:51):
They're just a relatively smallgroup and we're, you know,
hundreds of millions, billionsof people all over the world,
and so we should have thegreater power.
But we've got to be aware andwe've got to, you know, resolve
our mind Well, ok, even if theyimpose the mandate for another
shot.
Ok, we have a hard choice tomake for those who are in that

(01:00:15):
situation, you know, am I goingto, you know, go along with that
again and and do potential harmto myself and my family, uh, as
well as the others, or am, um,am I going to stand up and just
say no, no more.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Yeah, and cause if they can't get us to go along
with it, they're they're introuble.
But I I think there's some majormajor things happening right
now, both financially,politically and other ways, that
are going to have a big impacton all of this, but still, you
know we're in unchartedterritory here and we need to

(01:00:57):
have a much greater awareness ofwhat's going on than you know,
know most people have right now.
And, um, you know, everybody isat risk now, yeah, when you've
had the covid shots or not.
But it opens up a whole lotmore questions of like, well,
what about all the othervaccines?

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
yeah, especially no man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
There's another, there's another deep rabbit hole
yeah, there's so many rabbitholes, uh, but yeah, so I think
we've covered a lot of differentthings today and our big issue
is not only do not comply, andbecome aware and become aware.

(01:01:48):
You know, I mean, our book is agood source, it compiles a lot
of things, but there are other,you know, sources.
There's so many other books andarticles and interviews and so
forth coming out on thesesubjects that it's kind of
overwhelming.
But one thing we couldencourage our audiences to do is
like take a book like ours andgive it to somebody like a
doctor who is not aware of allthese problems, or some other

(01:02:10):
people.
You know we found that, uh,just, you know, putting it in
their hands you can't make themread it, but if they have it,
hopefully it'll arouse somecuriosity to at least start
reading it.
And if they open it to almostany page, you know they'll see
something that may surprise them, that will pique their
curiosity to read more.

(01:02:30):
So you know, if we had a littlearmy of people who could help,
even just giving one copy tosomebody who needs, really needs
, the information, you know,that would, that would really
help a lot to wake up morepeople.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
It certainly would, and thank you so much for
writing those books and that andI I aspire to be an author
someday and I I respect theamount of work and research that
goes into making something, andI've done a good amount in
making webinars and writingblogs and and not even turned it
into a full page book or fullblown books yet and I know the
work that is.

(01:03:07):
And I guess I just want tostart as we start wrapping up,
just echo what you said aboutbeing able to see through their
tactics and recognize this is alot bigger.
Covid was kind of the kickoffparty to their next phase and if
you are relying on anythingmainstream media to give you a
map of reality to make plans,you are not going to like where

(01:03:27):
that leads, and so we encourageyou to start forming a more
accurate map of what realitylooks like and recognize some of
these tactics.
We point out that they aregoing to continue to try to
divide us.
They have to keep us fightingeach other and not them.
And as soon as we recognize whothey are or what their agendas
are, we can put down our swordsand we can stop falling for

(01:03:49):
stupid things like stop hate,which has no teeth to it, it's
just a.
It's a way to cause division.
And another example of couldyou, could we define our terms
here what, stop, stop what inparticular?
And recognize I'm not, I'm notagainst you.
There's there's a category forparticular and recognize I'm not
against you.
There's a category for I coulddisagree with you and still like

(01:04:10):
you or even love you, and thatshifting that perspective and
recognizing, if we're arguingwith each other, they're winning
.
And as soon as we start sayingno, you're lying to me.
The Vax wasn't good, the borderisn't secure, the elections
don't have integrity, and we gothrough the list of things that
are actually the threats to usand we can stand up and have a
backbone and recognize this isgoing to go a lot better if we

(01:04:30):
put down our hate speech andstop falling for their tricks to
divide us.
And there's a great, a greatquote you pointed out to the
book to me, rules for Radicalsby Saul Alinsky, and I was just
looking into that book.
Some and one of the things hementioned because I guess he was
kind of they there's.
It's like.
To me it's almost like the artof war.
You can read that book for forgood and use it for bad either

(01:04:52):
way.
But one of the things he said inthere was um, he was quoting a
French philosopher who, quote,gravely warned that unless the
individual citizens wereregularly involved in the
actions of governing themselves,self-governance would pass from
the scene.
Like we, the people.
It becomes a relic if we don'tactually do something and

(01:05:14):
participate in the governancethat we have or in the problems
that we are facing and do thework to build our parallel
economies to get outside of thiscentralization of everything.
So one thank you for pointingout that book and I'll let you
have the final word and anyother encouraging things you may
want to say to people, but takethe final word and then tell

(01:05:34):
people where they can find yourwork.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Okay, well, first of all, you can find the book on
Amazon.
It looks like this COVID-19.
Covid-19 vaccines and beyond,what the medical industrial
complex is not telling us.
And my final word, I think,would be that you know even as

(01:05:58):
many threats as there are thatCOVID sort of exposed us to, you
know there's definitely reasonsfor hope and encouragement.
And you know there are more andmore people are coming up with
some effective treatments forthose who are still suffering

(01:06:19):
serious injuries from the shotsor even from what's called long
COVID.
I know Christian gets into thatand presents many different
options.
So there's increasingly many,many things that can really help
people through that.
But also being encouraged by,if you're a believer, that we

(01:06:47):
were created and not evolvedfrom the primordial blob.
Yeah, you know, our creator isdoing some amazing.
The globalists have their greatreset that they're seeking to

(01:07:10):
uh advance, but God, his love,his power and how he and his
intervention can defeat thisGoliath that we're facing in the

(01:07:33):
end game.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Right on.
Well, that's a great note toend on, and I would affirm what
you just said, and we are neverwithout hope.
So, sally, thank you so muchfor taking the time to share
your wisdom, for being in thefight with us, and it's just an
honor to know you and to amplifyyour work.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Oh well, thank you so much, Christian.
It's been such a pleasure andhonor to know you and be
involved with what you're doing,so it's my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
All right, we'll talk to you again soon.
Thanks, Okay.

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