Sean Patrick Tario – Digital Sovereignty and Free Speech: Exposing Big Tech's Control and Creating Privacy-Focused Alternatives - Deconstructing Conventional

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 36.
This is the fifth episode in mySovereignty series and my guest
for today is Mr Sean PatrickTheriault of the company Mark37.
You can find him at mark37.com.
One of my listeners introducedme to Sean and basically said he
and I were brothers who hadnever met.
I guess she appreciated that weare both unafraid to speak

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truth wherever we can find amicrophone and I think after you
hear the interview you'll knowwhy she said that.
So thank you for theintroduction, elizabeth.
This episode really is a wake-upcall about where big tech is
trying to take us and friends.
It is not a pretty picture.
I think it's safe to say thatthe interview is kind of timely
for at least three reasons, andthe first is just how badly the

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Supreme Court recently bombedthe Missouri versus Biden case
on censorship, and this issue ofthe right to speak freely is
not going away.
We are going to have to fightfor it.
Second, you may have heard thatthe CEO of Telegram, the last
truly decentralized socialplatform, and the CEO was
imprisoned in France recently ontotally made up charges.
And how many of you want to betthat Zuckerberg isn't going to
be arrested for the very realand proven human trafficking
problems on his platform.

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Don't hold your breath.
Zuckerberg is protected byinternational immunities, like I
talked about in episode 32.
So couple that, thirdly, withCongress basically working to
outlaw TikTok in the US on thefalse pretext that it is a
Chinese-owned company.
It is not.
The majority of theshareholders are from the US and
that's just not how they soldit to us.

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So, as always, the powers thatbe wrap that Trojan horse TikTok
bill in the wrapping paper ofkeeping us safe and protecting
children in the wrapping paperof keeping us safe and
protecting children and friends.
What that bill is really aboutis about taking control of
speech, like they are doing allover Europe right now.
So hoping these big techleopards will change their spots
is a fool's errand.
If you're expecting that tohappen, don't hold your breath.

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And if you think the same thingcan't happen to Twitter or X,
it's time to wake up.
So the fight for free speech ison friends, and I think in this
episode, you'll see that if wecontinue to place all of our
digital eggs in the big techbasket, we are not going to like
where that takes us.
So they know that we areintertwined in their systems and

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that it would be painful to dothe work to disentangle, and
they are relying on thatemotional aversion to change to
be the thing that keeps uscorralled in their systems.
And so this episode is aclarion call that it is time to
roll up our sleeves andmethodically start to formulate
our digital plan B.
So the great news is and a fewyears ago this was not true, but

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the great news is for everydigital hardware or operating
system or app or softwarecaptured by these evil control
freaks, there is already analternative.
We do not have to stay stuck intheir systems.
If you can name it, sean canpoint you to an open source,
non-tracking alternative.
All we need to do is swallowthe reality that it's time to

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start making the move and do it.
So I'm personally about halfwaythrough my digital disentangling
.
With Sean's help and that of afew others, I plan to finish the
job.
So if you've built a businessthat's dependent on the big tech
or big tech social platforms, Ithink you're really going to
appreciate the mindset heencouraged us to have as we work
toward how to engage with thoseplatforms and reduce our risk

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while we do so.
I think you'll find thatperspective instructive and
knowing these realities thatSean is describing is really a
big reason why my wife and Iwent through all the effort to
build our own app.
We are never going to ask youto join a Facebook group again.
We wanted our own digitalecosystems, without all the
creepy tracking tech and datamining.
We needed a place where wewon't get shadow banned or

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deplatformed for telling you thetruth.
So if you like health and youlike freedom, look for the
Healing United PMA app in theapp store and with a few clicks
you can join us for all sorts ofcool things that I will tell
you about in the outro to theshow.
For now, get ready for a splashof cold water in the face of
digital complacency.
We can avoid the ugly futurewhere these sick, empty, lonely,

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aging, narcissistic globalistsare trying to take us, and it
all starts one person at a time.
So are you doing your part?
Their control of us relies uponour consent, and it has never
been easier to move to adifferent digital ecosystem and
stop giving them your consent.
So, without further ado, hereis my conversation with the

(04:30):
fearless and feisty Sean PatrickTheriault.
All right, hello everyone.
Welcome to today's episode.
My guest is Sean PatrickTheriault.
He is a husband, father, author, speaker, and he is an
unashamed follower of Jesus.
He left a lucrative career inbig tech and the data center
world and in lobbying, and hebecame one of the managing

(04:52):
partners at Mark 37, which is acompany dedicated to
freedom-loving tech andreclaiming digital privacy.
So, sean, welcome to the show.
Thanks for coming on.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Thank you for having me Looking forward to the
conversation.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So give us your background.
You've made some big changes.
You've made some serioussacrifices to stand on principle
and kind of do the hard andreally uncomfortable things to
use your skills to focus on.
I guess what I describe aspulling people out of the matrix
.
So tell us that story.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah.
So where to begin?
How much time do we have?
So the gist of it is that Ibecame an entrepreneur at a very
young age and got that bug,whether it was mowing lawns and
shoveling driveways, living inChicago as a kid or starting a
company when I was a sophomorein college with a handful of
buddies, when we were in SiliconValley and everyone else was

(05:45):
doing it it was 1998, 99.
And we said if these idiots cando it, why can't we?
I just caught that bug andcaught that itch.
So throughout my life I'veeither been investing in seed
stage startups, I've beeninvolved with them directly
myself, I've been a mentor fordifferent entrepreneurs as
they've grown their businesses.
So I've had that bug in my lifefor better or worse.

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Sometimes I ask myself why Icontinue to do these things and
build and create these things,because the cash flow doesn't
always follow through as itwould.
If I just stayed in the matrixand I just worked for big tech
and worked for big you know, biginfrastructure companies, as I
was, I'd be a multimillionaireby now and probably semi-retired

(06:29):
.
But nope, the Lord said Sean, Ineed you in the battle, I need
you on the front lines and Ineed you to help educate and
train people on exactly how thesurveillance economy and the
surveillance state is affectingtheir lives on a day-to-day
basis, on a second-by-secondbasis.
Because he blessed me with thisknowledge and with these

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experiences that I've hadthroughout my life, working for
software companies, working inSilicon Valley, learning at age
14 when my dad sat me down andforced me to watch the seven I
think it was a seven VHS tapeseries of the creature from
Jekyll Island, where it wasliterally the video, the video
version of the book, and Ilearned very early on who runs

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everything, who controlseverything, how monetary systems
work.
You know what is value, what iscurrency.
So I really started at a veryyoung age following the money,
learning to ask questions, nottrusting really the authority,
learning that the FederalReserve is neither federal nor
reserve, being called aconspiracy theorist at age 15
when I was debating my econprofessors in high school.

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So I've been in this weird pathof my life.
My life, you know again,traveled the country, traveled
the world, training people aboutthe data center industry and
about the hosting industry andprivacy and security and
networks, wrote a book on theindustry.
So I've been blessed with allthese experiences in the

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infrastructure space, Iunderstand who the players are,
how the technology works, how itall fits together, and when I
started to really realize thatall of this infrastructure that
controls the brave new digitalworld that we live in is really
owned and operated by people whoare diametrically opposed to
our belief systems, that's whenthe sounding, you know, the

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alarms went off in my head and Iwas, you know, on my knees in
prayer.
Uh, literally watching whathappened on January 6th.
Um, because I called it.
I said this is going to be afalse flag operation.
They're going to create somemajor circus event.
Uh, my wife wanted to go to DC.
We were living in Raleigh atthe time.

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I literally had to, likeforcefully restrain her and hide
the keys so that she wouldn'tgo up there to you.
If my wife was there, she wouldhave been in the Capitol, she'd
been walking around takingpictures.
She probably would be in jailright now.
So I'm on my knees because I'mlike Lord.
I knew this was going to happen.

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I feel powerless to assist andhelp.
I've been screaming at myfriends who have conservative
websites or Christian-focusedwebsites, or even two-way
websites, that they're going tobe deplatformed, that they're
going to be demonetized.
I saw this happening in SiliconValley.
Because you follow the money,you look at who is ownership and

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control of the business andthen you learn what the ethos is
of at who is ownership andcontrol of the business and then
you learn what the ethos is ofthe people who have that control
and ownership and it's fairlyeasy to understand how they're
going to act and operate in themarketplace.
And when you realize that it'sthe same globalist money, it's
the same anti-Christian money,it's the same actors and players

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that are pulling the stringsthroughout all of this that
we've seen come down over thelast couple of years, who have
the ability to literally flipthe switch and turn your website
off and say, for whateverreason, you're violating our
terms of service and youdisappear.
That happened to Parler, if youremember Parler was a social
media website for conservatives.

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They got turned off 24-hournotice from Amazon Web Services
because they were facilitatingand abetting what happened on
the insurrection of the Capitol24-hour notice and they were
removed online.
That's when the red flags wentoff and everyone went crazy.
But I'm on my knees and I'mpraying and I'm like Lord, you
have to put me on the frontlines of this war.
I'm so sick and tired ofwatching the people who are

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supposed to be the generals inthis fight, for, whether it's
election integrity or it'sfighting all the BS going on in
schools you name it, all thedifferent battles that we're
fighting right now.
The generals, seemingly, areoblivious to how technology
works, and it's not until youknow.
We have a saying and a joke inthe infrastructure world, which

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there's only a couple thousandof us.
But it's like a company is onlygoing to prepare and invest in
disaster recovery services afterthe next disaster.
Right, people don't want to beaware of it, they don't want to
invest in it, they don't wantthe insurance, they don't want
to do anything or evenacknowledge that exists until
after that disaster occurs.

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Then it becomes a priority.
Then they're like oh, you know,they blame the IT CTO, cio, why
didn't you prepare for this?
And he's like I put it I wantedthis in the budget and you said
no, you said it was not apriority.
So that same stuff happens dayin and day out.
Right now, these infrastructurecompanies control all of our
data.
They control the narrativesthat we read and see and that

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have been fed to us not just forthe last couple of years, but
for 15, 20, 30 years, rightSince the advent of IT.
In technology, this has beenhappening.
So I've been warning people,saying this is going to happen.
And the Lord said parallelinfrastructure.
Sean, you need to leverage yourexperiences, your domain

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expertise, to start buildingparallel infrastructure.
That means we can have allthese fancy and cool
applications that maybe cater toour community, but if those
applications sit on servers, indata centers that are owned and
controlled by people wholiterally want to try to kill us
right now, then they meannothing because they can turn

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you off in a heartbeat.
So that's where I focus my lifein around 2019, 2020.
2019, 2018, trying to getpeople awake and aware.
And then the lights went off in2020, 2021, for most people
said, oh my gosh, this is areality.
What do I do?
So I've been on that missionfor a long time and currently my

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focus is on trying to educateand train people on the devices
that they carry around with themall day, every day.
So your phones, your laptops,what are the operating systems
that they're running?
Why does that matter?
What are the applications thatyou're using?
What are you using forcommunications?
And we can go down those rabbitholes.

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But that's kind of a long storyshort.
But I'm a father.
I've got three kids.
My oldest is 18.
My youngest is 11.
Currently live in upstate SouthCarolina.
Lived in Silicon Valley, livedin Raleigh, north Carolina,
lived in Chicago and now live inupstate South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
That was a great summary, so tell us a little bit
about your lobbying backgroundtoo, so that becomes relevant in
the conversation as well.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, so so many fun stories there.
So, upon realizing that youknow Google and Facebook and
Microsoft, at&t, verizon thesebehemoths in the technology
world were investing millions ofdollars to lobby senators both
on the federal side and thestate side because I've been

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actively involved on bothdomains in DC and in state
politics that money was beinginvested to convince these
senators and congressmen thatthe best interest for them and
their constituents was tosupport, you know, google and
Apple and Facebook and Microsoftand AT&T, when what that really

(14:05):
was doing it's no differentthan like Walmart coming into a
community and decimating all thesmall businesses.
When you're supporting thesebig tech enterprises, you start
to decimate all the smaller ISPs, the Internet service providers
and the smaller hostingcompanies, niche hosting
providers, because you furtherconsolidate that whole industry.
So we were going into DC andinto Raleigh, in North Carolina

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primarily, and when I was inCalifornia I was going to
Sacramento.
Now I'm in South Carolina, soI'm down in Columbia, but trying
to educate people on how theInternet works, because once you
really start to understand howinfrastructure and the internet
works, you can start to makebetter decisions.

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I believe that mostcongresspeople and politicians,
and even their staffers, whomake the majority of the
decisions and write the majorityof the policy papers, are
clueless as to how the internetworks.
So we would go into meetingswith staffers, really, and we'd
go into the meeting.
I'll give you a perfect example.
This happened when we were inDC multiple times.

(15:11):
We're going into a meetingscheduled meeting me and a
handful of other people CEOs ofinternet service providers,
smaller hosting companies,regional hosting companies and
the person walking out of theoffice is from either AT&T,
google or Microsoft.
Arm around the senator or thecongressman laughing, joking.
Great time at dinner last night, we should grab drinks tonight.

(15:33):
Yada, yada, yada.
Like homies, right, buddy,buddy, right.
And then we come walking.
They're like oh, who are youfrom?
We were with the InternetInfrastructure Coalition it was
called I2C, and we wereadvocating on behalf of these
ISPs and these smaller hostingcompanies and data center
providers.
And they'd be like oh yeah,you'll be meeting with staffer

(15:55):
so-and-so today, right?
Not even meeting with thecongressperson.
That's who you really want tobe meeting with anyway, because
they are in charge of policythat relates to blah, blah, blah
.
So they would direct us off tothat person and then we would
sit down with that staffer, whowas, you know, literally 21, 22
years old, have near noknowledge about what the heck

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was going on and we would neverhear from them again.
Right, but we would come armedand we would say, look, your
constituents are our customersand we have, you know, a
combined total of like 500employees at these businesses
that are in your district.
So this stuff should matter toyou because if you're going to

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back these policies that supportbig tech, these jobs are going
to go away in your district andyou're probably going to piss
these people off.
Thank you so much.
This was very informative.
You know we'd love to hear fromyou.
We were talking aboutcensorship and talking about all
kinds of stuff with what wasgoing on with the Internet and
the consolidation of what theywere trying to convert the

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Internet into, like a cablesystem where you could buy your
sports package of Internetcompanies that you could access
through your ISP.
You know all that garbage, butanyway.
So spent a lot of time in DC,spent a lot of time in Raleigh
and Sacramento and now inColumbia learning how the
sausage is made, and it wassickening, to be honest with you

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, and disgusting.
I have a twin sister who spentyears in DC working in DC.
Also, she worked for BushCheney, so I got a backstage
pass to the White House when shewas working there.
She also was a lobbyist for theDepartment of Labor and she's
had a pretty incredible careerin DC.
So I learned from her as wellhow that sausage was made and I

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just learned that the systemthere is all about money, it's
all about power.
You're very easily corruptedand that the people who are in
charge more want in power.
But anyway, that's my longversion of the history that I've
had lobbying in state andfederal.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, well it's.
It's so relevant because youhave like, in some ways I'm
envious and glad that I didn'thave my red pill creature from
Jekyll Island experience in myteenage years.
I had it.
Covid kicked it off for me.
I'm like, what in the worlddoes none of this make sense?
There has to be an angle fromwhich it does.
And once I figured that out,like, oh, there really are
psychopaths.

(18:32):
They really do crave power andthere's no end to their desire
for power.
And they look at every newthing that has ever invented, or
every technology, every system,through the lens of how can I
buy that and control it and andown more things?
And if that means stepping onpeople or slitting throats or
buying off people or whateverhas to be done to accomplish

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that, that's what they'll do.
And there's such I mean thecreature from Jack O'Lantern
lays out so much of that historywhere you just can't unsee it.
And so to hear that you had thatfor so long and you were in the
trenches fighting for teachingpeople how the system works and
then attempting to educate at alegislative level where these
things could be put in check orwhere the giant consolidation of

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what we have available to uscould have dissolved and to see
there's not much will to do it,it really does.
I can see why you're like, lord.
I see this problem.
I don't know how to make a dent, but put me in there in the
fight somewhere, and it's justbeen.
It's admirable what you'redoing.
So, before we get to some ofthe details of what you're doing
, help the listener who may notsee or connect these dots yet.

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Give us some of the maybehistorical plot points that you
find relevant through the lastseveral decades that give
evidence, so we can kind of havea more accurate map of reality.
What's happening here?
What?
What has gone on in an attemptto consolidate or use technology
more as a weapon against us?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
yeah, so um, in silicon valley in the 90s and
early 2000s, so let's just say,even before 95.
So like 92.
I was only 12 years old in 92.
So I don't have directexperience.
But I used to have a podcastcalled I Love Data Centers and I

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used to interview executivesand owners of different data
center infrastructure companiesand people who literally created
the internet.
So I've learned a literallycreated the internet.
So I've learned a ton over theyears.
I love doing interviews likethis with people and what I
learned is that in SiliconValley, if you wanted money for
your company, if you walked intoa venture capital firm or

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private equity firm or most seedstage investors at that time,
you needed to have a data storyand most inventors and
entrepreneurs would walk in andbe like I thought the interview
went well, but they said comeback after I can learn how I can
monetize the data that I'd becollecting on my customers that
I would be bringing into mybusiness.
And it was all because peoplerealized and knew that data was

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the new oil, right?
So you can mine that data, youcan use and you can sell over
and over and over again, right?
So once you have more and moredata points about someone, you
can create a profile for thatperson.
You could put them into ademographic chunk and then you
can sell that over and overagain.
So that's how most companiescan provide free apps, free

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services, when, in fact, they'rereally making money because
they're harvesting your data andthen they're selling that data.
This has been going on for avery long time and, as you can
imagine, not only is that greatfrom a marketing perspective,
because this was how it's beensold for so many years.
Well, if we have more relevantinformation about you, we can

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target you and give you morespecific, relevant ads that
you're going to actually want,that you're going to need.
You won't even have to thinkabout it.
This stuff will just show up atthe front door and you know
that you'll want it, right.
So people are like, oh, thatsounds good, that sounds great,
but in return, you're giving upyour liberty, you're giving up
your privacy, you're giving upyour freedoms because you're

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allowing them to harvest andaccess all of this data.
Now, take that advanced to whatwe know now, right, and what we
know about DARPA and theprojects that DARPA was working
on and helped fund, like Google.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Okay, so for people who don't know what DARPA is,
define that first.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Right.
So DARPA is the DefenseAdvanced Research Projects
basically division of our DOD.
So they invest a stupid,ungodly amount of money that's a
lot of times off the books, onprojects that are supposed to be
like leveraging technology thatwe're not even going to find
out about for another 15, 20years.
So these agencies that spendagain hundreds of billions, if

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not trillions of dollars havebeen investing in technologies
that will allow them to predictthe future at the end of the day
.
So if I'm a government agencyor a military, I want to know
what's going to happen in thefuture so I can create scenarios
as to how this stuff is goingto play out over time, right?

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So, as you can imagine, thoseorganizations government funded
organizations have invested alot of money in universities to
run tests and projects and tokeep feelers out for certain
things going on.
And, not surprisingly, theyhave a lot of influence in
Silicon Valley because they wantto know what the new tech
that's coming out and how theymight be able to leverage that,

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pull that into what they'redoing.
So Stanford University had bigfunding, big grant funding
coming from DARPA, which theyused to put into Google and a
handful of other projects thathave blown up into what they are
today.
So when you look at what Googleis and was you look at the
statements from Sergio and Brynearly on, they knew what they

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were creating.
They knew very clearly whatthey were creating, that they
were creating this massiveengine of data consolidation and
that eventually was going to beso influenced by the money to
dictate the results that wouldbe shown.
So it's not just oh, you paysome dollars and if someone
searches a keyword, it's thattop thing that shows up.

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I could literally go to Googletoday and say I'm going to give
you a certain amount of millionsof dollars and I want it such
that certain things don't showup when you search for them.
To Google today and say I'mgoing to give you a certain
amount of millions of dollarsand I want it such that certain
things don't show up when yousearch for them, or only certain
types of content shows up whenyou search for them.
This has been going onliterally since the advent of
Google.

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This is not a new thing and itjust so happened that my
graduating class from universityin 2002 in Silicon Valley, at
Santa Clara University, I thinkI had, like we had like close to
200 people from my graduatingclass go to work at Google.
Like an insane amount of peoplewent to go work at Google Many
of my good friends so I heardabout all these stories.

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In fact, one of the guys I knew,who was a fraternity brother of
mine, was head of, like theadult entertainment side of
Google, and this is where Ilearned that not many people
know this.
But how much of Google'srevenue for the first decade
came from you know, adult themedsearches on their engine.
It was over 70% of the revenuefor Google came from you know,

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xxx or like teen porn, likecrazy stuff.
Where you're like, thiscompany's logo or motto is I
will do no evil, and yet they'rethe largest purveyor and search
engine for pornography thatexists, right, wow, and I could
go down so many rabbit holes onthat.
But the people who reallylearned how to scale and grow

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networks and scale and growserver infrastructure literally
came out of the porn companies,because that was the vast
majority of the traffic for thefirst 15, 20 years of the
internet's existence.
So big companies like Amazon WebServices, which is a big
hosting provider Most people.
When I say Amazon, I have todefine my terms.

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I'm not speaking about Amazon,the e-commerce store.
I'm talking about Amazon WebServices, which is a
multi-billion dollar hostingservice provider, cloud services
provider the majority, in fact,they have the majority market
share.
If you go to a website rightnow, it is likely hosted on AWS.

(26:28):
There's only a handful of thesebig, massive cloud hosting
service providers.
So when I talk about Amazon WebServices or Amazon, that's what
I'm referring to as Amazon WebServices.
So I don't know how I got onthis tangent, but I'm talking
about Well just a historicaltimeline, yeah.
Yeah, so from the early days,our government, these agencies

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and corporations have realizedthat data is powerful.
And how do we get data going toand from?
And it's been controlled andowned and operated by
individuals who are not you know, maybe they were Christian
people who just were doing theirjob Right and they didn't ask
too many questions to reallyunderstand what was going on.

(27:13):
You know, I was among thosepeople in my early days when I
didn't really understand how theindustry worked and operated.
But I like to ask questions.
I want to know why.
I want to know how I want tofollow the money which pissed
off a lot of my bosses and myboss's bosses, which is why,
when I went into corporateAmerica, I put my head down.

(27:33):
I made a ton of money for ahandful of years and then I went
to my wife and said, honey,it's time for me to go back to
being an entrepreneur.
Um, you know, I've gained 45pounds.
I hate my job.
All I'm doing is playing thechess match of the conversations
I need to have with thesepeople that I don't enjoy
working with every single night.
I'm not sleeping well, myhealth is deteriorating and she
said fine, go do it.

(27:55):
So anyway.
So the timeline, with data beingthe new oil, you have to put
that into the context of everydecision that they're making is
how do we collect more data, howdo we get more information for
people and how do we do it insuch a way that people will
willingly give us theirinformation and their data?

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And the perfect example of thisis Facebook, and you can search
this, google this.
You're the head of the CIAbeing interviewed by Congress,
and this was shortly afterFacebook came out and was part
of one of the data-relatedpanels that was going on in DC
at the time.

(28:36):
And he was laughing, basicallysaying that we at the CIA, we
were about to launch our ownprogram that was going to be
effectively spying on theAmerican public and aggregating
all this data about Americansinto a large database.
And laughingly and jokingly, hesaid and we just stopped that
program when Facebook came outbecause people were providing

(29:00):
more information willingly thanwe were even going to be
aggregating and collectingourselves into a public platform
, right?
So with that understanding, it'sno wonder we have these
companies that have arrangementswith our government agencies

(29:21):
and I can go into this in detailwhereby they provide open
access, open API access, to allof this information.
Our governments are actuallypaying these companies to have
that type of access.
It's not just our government,it's other governments that they
get these contracts from.
China, for example, has hugecontracts with Microsoft and

(29:46):
Amazon and Apple and Google andall these companies, and part of
those contracts is that theyget access to all this data.
So if I'm a global corporation,of course I'm going to give
access to whoever, because myjob is to make as much money in
profit as possible and for myshareholders right to increase

(30:07):
shareholder value.
So this has been going on for avery long time.
They have spent literallytrillions of dollars hiring some
of the smartest people on theplanet to figure out how do we
make these things so addictivethat they never put them down
right.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Phones, in particular for the listener he's talking
about.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Right, there's no, these phones, your mobile phones
.
There's no need for us tomicrochip people these days,
because you're carrying aroundthe advanced micro, the most
advanced microchip possible, inyour pocket or on your person
all day, every day.
So why?
Why am I even going to needthat Right and force people to

(30:51):
embed that in their body?
If you're carrying this thingaround, you're carrying around
one of the most advancedcomputers available ever in your
pocket all day, every day.
So, when you look at the moneythat's gone into this, you look
at the intelligence of thepeople involved and you start to
interview them, and there'stons of documentaries that have
come out where you have the headdevelopers and head engineers

(31:12):
that have worked at Instagram,that have worked at Google, that
have worked at Facebook.
Look at these companies and youask them hey, do you give your
kids smartphones or tablets?
They say, hell, no, there's noway.
I'm going to let my kids nearthese things.
Well, why?
Because they're designed toenslave them, to dumb them down,
to keep them focused on thingsthat are not going to be healthy

(31:35):
for them and educate them andgrow them as humans.
They're designed to dumb youdown.
So we've been sold, though,that these are the coolest new
things and you need the new newthing, the new iPhone 18 or
whatever the hell.
It is now, um, that just cameout, you know, versus the one a
year ago, because it's got thenew chip and the new camera.

(31:56):
For me, the dumbing down of ourpopulation who and I think it's
a curse that's been put upon us,this convenience mindset we
want everything new, we wanteverything simple, I don't want
to have to think about it, Idon't want to have to learn how
it works, I just want it right,I want it now, I want it

(32:17):
delivered to my door, I justwant to click some buttons is
really been a detriment to ourspecies and to America
population in a low frequencystate of being not asking hard
questions, not reallyunderstanding how things operate

(32:37):
but work, then they're moresusceptible to influence, to
being influenced and that's beengoing on for a very long time
again by very smart people whohave invested a stupid amount of
money into this.
So part of me says, like I getsuper aggravated with people who
just like, oh well, why can'tthis be so simple?
And so like, click, click,click easy, like you know, like

(32:57):
iPhone and Apple products, youknow, I just once it's there,
then I'll make the transitionand the switch.
But then I have to understand,like I understand, why people
are that way, because they'vebeen brainwashed for so long and
they've been living in thismindset.
But I truly believe we, youknow, the wheat is being

(33:18):
separated from the chafe rightnow and that people are being
forced to learn how to do thehard things.
We have to get comfortablebeing uncomfortable.
So I try.
You know I lose my patiencealmost daily with some of the
people I talk to.
As I'm sure you know, my plightright now on the it side is
literally no different thanyours.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, dealing with the stuff that you're doing in
the health world.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
It is literally almost a one-to-one paradigm
shift or paradigm parallel.
Right yeah, because we'retrying to educate people, we're
trying to train people to takethis stuff seriously, because it
is influencing and affectingthem and people just want the
bandaid.
They don't want to go to thecore root of the problem, they
just want the simple, easybandaid.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
No, it's my.
I'm joking.
I think I told you we're kindof both locust eating prophets
in the wilderness.
Sometimes we're the people whoI have like I can teach you how
to heal, but I can't give it toyou in a brown bottle with a
white cap or a supplement, orthere isn't an easy button that
actually plugged into anything.
There can be simple, but that'sdifferent from easy and there's
work to be done.

(34:19):
It's like oh, I got to actuallygo to bed on time.
I'm really going to have towork out, I'm going to have to
change how I eat, I'm going tohave to drink more water and I
can't fight the biological lawsof physics.
No, you get healthy.
This is the only way to do itand it's going to require you to
become a better person and tothink differently and make
tradeoffs and sacrifices andhave learning curves and most
people that it's hard to sellthat because like, anyway,

(34:39):
that's great.
Is there something I canswallow that would fix this?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
how do I still safely use my iPhone and use my
Facebook app and how do I stillsafely, you know, share all my
information on these differentapplications?
And I'm like, okay, how do Ieat the Oreo, the double stuffed

(35:03):
Oreo, chew the Oreo, taste theOreo, swallow the Oreo and then
not have the bad effects of theOreo?
Right, I'm like that's whatyou're asking me, right, like
that's the parallel, right, Istill want to do all the bad
things.
I still want to throw all of myinformation at these companies
that are using it against me.
But, I don't want to have theadverse bad effects of those

(35:25):
things and I don't want tochange a damn thing, right, yeah
.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
No, it's hard, but I think there's a.
Just hearing us have thisconversation, I hope, can kind
of be that sobering.
I really do have to face this,and one thing that was helpful
for me is recognizing to yourpoint.
We are now participating,through these devices, in the
most advanced mind controlsoftware and systems that have
ever been developed that know usbetter than we do, that know
our habits and their ability toinfluence us.

(35:50):
And it's not just hey, cool,they can give me better ads.
What's really happening is it'stheft.
They're stealing not just ourdata, but they're stealing our
life force.
They're stealing our attentionand thus they're stealing our
mental, emotional, physical andspiritual energy, and there's
less of it left over to go toother things.
Because we have this itch ofthis, I have a moment.
I need to pull up my phone andhave my screen stimulate me, and

(36:14):
once you see the trance and yourecognize that there's this
Pavlovian response we have toour devices, it kind of can
start to glitch a little bitlike maybe I don't make that
choice, and what would it looklike to not, and how would I use
my time and how do Icommunicate?
There's so many trails that wehave to go down, but it's first
being willing to sit in theuncomfortable and face that or

(36:35):
recognize that at some point I'mgoing to have to get off this
free cocaine and do somethingdifferent in order to live a
life more in line with what Ivalue and not just be a
commodity on somebody else'sbalance sheet balance sheet.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I mean, you hit one of the key things, which is we
have to acknowledge, have to.
First step of addiction isacknowledging that you're
addicted, right.
My name is Sean and I'm anaddict, right, and I still have
to.
I wish I didn't have to usetechnology at all.
I wish I wasn't doing.
I literally prayed to God everyday.
I'm like God.
Why do you still have me doingwhat I'm doing?

(37:09):
Because it's not anywhere nearas lucrative as it was for me
financially and it's driving mecrazy dealing with customers
every day who just want the easybutton always and just don't
understand that they have to dothe hard things.
You know, it's been a blessingin so many other ways as well,
but it's hard, right, it'sdifficult and I'm like I just

(37:31):
wish I could go back to theaddiction, but I can't.
We have to acknowledge thatwe're addicts.
That's the first step.
I'm a, I have, I'm an addict, Ihave a problem, right.
Then you have to put the planin place and surround yourself
with other people who can helpyou through that process, and
that's where you know our, mybusiness comes in and a handful

(37:58):
of other companies that are outthere right now is we're
building these communities ofpeople.
Because this is a journey, right, you don't just buy, for
example.
You don't just buy a raised bedand some seeds and then I'm a
gardener right, I can feed mywhole family.
That's not how it works.
It's a step-by-step process.
It's a journey.
How it works it's astep-by-step process.
It's a journey.
It may take you years, right,to become proficient and
advanced and knowing how to dothese things and do them really

(38:18):
well, um, and you may not havethe full capabilities for my
money perspective or even anintellectual capacity
perspective to fully understandthis stuff and fully optimize it
, um, but you have to understand.
It's like you don't just walkinto a karate studio and say
I've got an hour, make me ablack belt.
That's not how it works withhealth.

(38:40):
You don't just have one hourlong session with Christian,
even though you're amazing atwhat you do, and you walk away
and you're like I'm going tolose all kinds of weight and I'm
going to be perfect, I'll befine.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
I paid the money, so I'm sure that's going to happen
now.
Like no, yeah, but there's workto do after that.
Like yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
So, you.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
You probably know we did that program, the
sovereignty project, which was ayear long attempt to
systematically disentangle fromsix different major areas of
where we are consolidated into alittle eat this and think that,
and use these, this monetarysystem, and use this technology
and so on.
And and I've probably onlyimplemented half of what I

(39:19):
learned, because, to your point,it is a journey there are so
many different things that onceyou start pulling on the one
aspect of the web, you realizeit reverberates through the
whole thing and it just there'sa patience for it.
And once you kind of metabolizethat, oh, this is a process, to
your point, and let me just Idon't have to eat the whole
elephant in one bite Let me takeone step up this staircase and
then the next step willilluminate itself, or the

(39:39):
problem I didn't know I wasgoing to run into becomes
obvious.
And you kind of give yourselfpermission to not know
everything or permission to beinconvenienced, permission to
quote unquote, fail at somethingas you work at it.
But there's a piece I thinkboth of us have that comes over
us when we can rest our head onthe pillow at night and say at
least I'm trying, I'm doing mypart, I'm willing to lean into

(40:00):
hard things.
I don't expect it to be fast,but, yes, the entrepreneur
rollercoaster is a butt kicker,but I wouldn't have it any other
way.
There's there's.
It's liberating to be able tosay you know what.
I'm doing less business withcriminals, I am less controlled
by their tech, I am less undertheir surveillance and I was on
a coaching call with a coachingprogram.

(40:21):
I'm in yesterday and one of mypeers said he just had his
Stripe account closed and lostthree months of revenue.
No recourse, nothing he can doabout it.
And it's like come after us ifyou can.
And he said you guys have beenwarned like this stuff's coming
and they're going to keep doingthis because so far we let them
get away with it and we don'thave alternatives.
And at some point we have toown that and say better a year

(40:44):
early than a day late.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, and this is literally the bane of my
existence, where I, I, I know Imean this happens almost daily
and weekly, where you hearstories of companies that are
being deplatformed, demonetized,whatever.
And this is like I just live in, this constant state of I told
you so and it drives me insane.
It's no different than likeonce you read the ingredients in

(41:07):
the food that you're eating andyou understand what those
chemicals are and preservativesare.
You can't unknow that, right?
You can't just eat that Doritoagain and not know what you just
put into your body.
You can't take that blue pilland just be like, well, I'm
aware of it, I don't care, itdoesn't matter anymore, I'm just

(41:27):
going to, you know,hedonistically, enjoy my life
anyway, right?
Or you have to say, okay, Ican't do this anymore, I need to
find an alternative.
I need to find something elsethat can accomplish this without
killing me.
So, for those companies who arestill using services that are
going to de-platform them atsome point once they hit a

(41:48):
certain scale and aren'tprepping and don't have a
redundancy in place or some abackup in place, um, I have.
I try to have as much empathy asI can with these folks.
It's just really freaking hardbecause I'm like, how did you
not see this coming?
You literally have the bulletcoming at you and you're like,
eh, it hasn't hit me yet, so I'mnot going to take it seriously.

(42:09):
That's, it's the paradigm Ileave and it's it's frustrating
as all heck.
And I can tell you honestly, ifit wasn't for me reaching the
knowledge that I gained at avery early on, I could talk
about 9-11.
9-11 for me was so clearly aninside job.
From the second I saw what wasgoing on, called the demolition,

(42:29):
was called an even biggerconspiracy theorist after that.
But I got crazy, depressed, man.
Yeah, I was like how am I theonly one that sees this at my
whole university and school?
How am I the only one that'sasking these questions?
Why am?
I the crazy one when this isobvious, what's going on
building seven, how we only havelike three freeze frame photos

(42:50):
of what hit the Pentagon, whenit's the Pentagon, when they
picked up a passport on thestreet and they had it on the TV
screens and saying the FBIfound this passport from one of
the hijackers of the airplaneand there were like fire fringe
parts on it, you saw whatapparently hit these buildings
and you want us to believe thatyou found a passport was.

(43:13):
Who's believing this stuff,right?
and I'm what is wrong with youpeople?
And they're like you're thecrazy one.
I'm like, oh my god yeah lord ifthe world is run by criminals
and gangsters who can pull thisoff right and mind control
everybody to believe that weneed to go fight the baddies

(43:34):
overseas right?
Because of this and the patriotact.
I read the patriot act at age21.
I was one of the few peoplethat read the whole freaking
thing and I was sounding.
I was like read this thing.
This is horrible.
This is going to take away allof our sovereignty and our
rights.
Violations of fourth amendment,first amendment, all over the
board.
This is simply giving themcarte blanche to do what I know

(43:56):
they're already doing, but nowthey can get away with it
legally, right?
Yeah.
And everyone thought I was crazy.
And I'm like Lord, I don't.
I don't think I can do thisanymore.
I want to save souls, I want tochange the world, but nobody is
taking any of this stuffseriously.
What's the flipping point?
And I was seriously consideringoffing myself at that point,

(44:17):
honest to God, I was in tears,super depressed, and I was like
I don't know if I can do thisanymore.
And I was 20, 21 years old,right?
Finally, the Lord spoke to meand said Sean, your job at this
point, at 21 years old, is notto save the world, man, your job

(44:38):
is just to become the bestsoldier you possibly can be and
learn how to have conversationswith people and empathize with
them and learn from them to sucha degree that you can then
start to plant seeds, and justplant seeds.
That's your only job right now.
And yes, the world is evil, butthis world is a test.
That's all it is, sean.
It's a test.
And I think listeners need tounderstand this.

(44:58):
With as horrible as the stuffis out there, it's, I think,
designed to be that way, becauseif I'm a king and I want to
know that I have loyal subjects,if everything is honky-donky,
happy-go-lucky all the time,then of course people are going
to be like, oh, we love the kingbecause everything's awesome,
right.
It's not until times get hardand your back is up against the

(45:22):
wall and you're near choked out,about to die, that you have to
realize, oh my gosh, this stuffis real right who are?
you going to turn to?
Who are you going to trust,right?
Do you put your trust in theking and your Lord and Lords,
lord of Lords, who raises thedead and moves mountains?
Or do you put your trust inyourself?
Do you put trust in the dollar?

(45:43):
Like, where are you puttingthat faith and that trust?
So, for me, I'm constantlyhaving to remind myself yes,
this stuff is hard, it'sdesigned to be that way.
I use it to refine myself andmake myself stronger and better
at who I am and what I do.
Because, at the end of the day,I do not want to have a
conversation where I sit downwith God on my deathbed and he's

(46:08):
like hey, bro, I told youexactly what to do.
I made it very clear with theTen Commandments, with scripture
, with the tenets of your faith.
I made it very clear exactlywhat I wanted you to do, and I
also made it very clear, from anoccupational perspective, what
I needed you to do.
I made it very clear to you.
And why didn't you do that again?

(46:29):
Why did you not follow thesethings?
Because, why?
Because you were afraid, right,because you didn't have the
fortitude to do it.
Hmm, when you have me on yourteam, when you literally have
the person who raises the deadand created all this, like I am
infinity, you have me on yourteam and you have excuses for me

(46:51):
right now, like that's not theconversation I want to have with
.
God.
I want to come to God and say Iput it all on the battlefield.
Yes, I was sinful, yes, I wasnot perfect, but I put it out
there on the vast majority ofthe time.
You know, I'm in your hands,lord, and I want, I need him to
say to me, I want him to say tome well done, my good and

(47:12):
faithful servant.
That's all I want, that's allI'm striving for, and I don't
think I could get there, knowingmy sinful nature, unless I had
to go through some BS and somehard times.
I just don't think humans aredesigned to do that.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yeah, well, the crucible is what forges
character, and it's not fun andnobody really wants to sign up
for it, but it is where we'retested and where our resilience
becomes unflappable.
And yeah, for those of you whothis sounds like because both of
us can relate to thatparticular sentiment of like, I
am not going to mail it in andjust say like, yeah, I was, that

(47:46):
was a lot and I just decided togo play nintendo and and try to
, you know, not face it andpretend hope it'll go play
Nintendo and and try to, youknow, not face it and pretend
hope it'll go away.
Neither of us are able to dothat and if that sounds like a
push or a nudge to some of you,just appreciate that it that
that urge is there and it'sbetween you and God what you do
with it.
But you, at the end of this,you want to be able to say you
know what I did leave it all inthe field.
I wasn't perfect, but I didwhat I could.

(48:11):
And I guess one thing I want tosay to you, sean, as somebody
who it took me longer to wake upto I didn't see 9-11 for what
it was until after COVID hit,and then I was like, oh my gosh,
this is a lot bigger than Ithought.
So I guess I'm preemptively orpost story saying sorry on
behalf of a lot of us whothought you were crazy for a
long time and we are slow to theparty, we're late to get here,

(48:34):
but we there's more soldiers atyour back now and we do
appreciate that you carried thetorch for that long and that,
for those of you who still thinkthe official story of nine 11
is what it was, just look upbuilding seven and see if you
can make sense of that and getback to us.
But there's, there's an evilcartel that has their own

(48:54):
agendas and we are pawns intheir little game and we're not
in their club.
And once that clicks and we canstart to look at reality a
little more accurately.
So a couple of other things Iwant to ask you about, sean,
that are somewhat relevant onthe, I guess, more current
events timeline.
One is TikTok and the other isAI.
So tell us a little bit aboutthe attempts to get TikTok out
of the picture and what you seehappening there, so people can

(49:14):
understand what's actually goingon.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, I think the primary.
I mean when you.
So how do I frame this?
When you realize that whoreally controls Congress, right,
and DC are the intelligenceagencies, and who really
controls the intelligenceagencies?
You have to unravel that.
You just spoke about it it'sthe intelligence agencies.
And who really controls theintelligence agencies?
You have to unravel that.
You just spoke about it it'sthe cartel.
It's this global cartel ofpeople who are not aligned with

(49:37):
their values.
They're looking for adepopulation agenda.
They want an annihilation ofnations, annihilation of borders
, just a one world order UnitedNations, one world government,
one world, everything.
When you realize that, you haveto understand that our Congress
is really a puppet and a toolof that agenda.

(49:59):
So when they start going afterTikTok and pass legislation that
happened overnight, it was likewithin a week, stuff came onto
the floor and they voted on it.
People say, oh, it takes yearsfor a bill to get passed in DC.
Well, no, not.
When you have the right friendsand the right money involved,
it can actually go very quickly.

(50:20):
So with TikTok, specificallylike, why did we not have a
Instagram or a Facebook or anyof these other bills?
Right, it's because whocontrols the data of TikTok.
Why do they want to basicallymake TikTok a entity that's
monitored and controlled by theUnited States?
For national security reasons,right?

(50:42):
Well, it's because the UnitedStates information cartel didn't
have direct access and controlover the data and over the
narrative and over theinformation that was being
shared through TikTok.
So there's that piece of it,because there's two big
components to this.
So they want to basically gaincontrol over that platform.

(51:03):
They did not have control overthat platform and the data on
that platform.
The other key piece is that verymuch so, just like with the
central bank digital currenciesthat I think your listeners are
probably aware of, there's a bigpush for what's called a
digital ID, which goes part andparcel with the CBDC, and see

(51:35):
more and more of legislationthat's being passed for our best
interests to protect peopleonline, right?
Such that you can't go onlinewithout verifying your identity.
So they want to remove anyconcept of anonymity online.
Tie that digital ID to yourprofile, of which they have all
this other information, so thatit becomes even simpler and

(51:56):
easier to roll out a socialcredit system which is then also
tied to your central bankdigital ID and digital credit
score.
This is not like conspiracystuff.
I mean, I literally have beenscreaming this stuff since back
in the early 2000s becausethey've been saying this.
If you just read, now they'reovertly in meetings like you

(52:19):
just look at the World EconomicForum and Karl Schwab and look
at what the United Nations hasbeen saying.
Look at all these bigorganizations.
They are now unapologeticallytelling us that that is exactly
what they're pushing for, thatit's in our best interests, and
this is literally stuff thatI've been trying to get people
to wake up to for a very, verylong time and been told I've

(52:41):
been crazy.
And now it's like literallyplaying out right in front of us
.
So that's my thoughts on TikTokthat they're pushing for
digital ID and that they don'thave control and access to the
data and the narrative, which iswhy they need to legislate that
.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
And one point I'll make on TikTok is the pretext is
that it's owned by China andthat China is doing nefarious
things to infiltrate.
And if you actually go look atwho owns TikTok, the majority of
it I think it's around 60% isactually American owned, so it's
not like China could even havea controlling influence in it,
but that they need some sort ofstory to say this is why we have
to do this to protect you.
And just anytime you get theofficial narrative from the

(53:17):
mainstream media or Washington,just know that that's the story
you're supposed to believe.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
And it's literally the opposite of what is actually
.
It's like the name of any billis literally the opposite of
what's happening.
It's like the Protect thePatriot Act is-.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Inflation reduction Right, exactly Right.
Extra inflation act right.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Once you understand that game being played, you're
like, oh, now all this makessense, right yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:45):
This should have been the Trader Act instead of the
Patriot Act, but yeah, okay.
So AI is another, obviously abig one these days.
I heard you explain AI a littleon a different podcast you were
on and I was like, ah, that'sthat just grounded.
It helped me understand what itactually is.
So tell the listener a littlebit about what AI is and where
we might want to have askepticism or a limited use for
it.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Sure.
So artificial intelligence?
It's neither, it's notintelligence.
I just want to start with that.
It is a tool, it is a program.
It is a learning language modelprogram.
That's what it is.
So what is a learning languagemodel?
You can throw a whole bunch ofdata against the wall and you
can train a program to look atthat data and make some sense of

(54:28):
that data, but somebody someonehas to program that initial set
that's going to learn how tomake sense of that data, right?
So when you go to you know,even Brave.
So I'm a huge fan of Bravebrowser.
If people are still usingChrome or they're still using
any other browser, please getoff of it.
Please use Brave.

(54:49):
If you're using Firefox, that'sokay, but you have to do a lot
with the settings in order toget it to the shape that it
truly is as private and secureas Brave is.
So you may as well just useBrave.
But Brave has its own AI systemnow too, but the key is who's
programming it?
What is the intention behind ofthe program that's running the
learning language model?
So we learned this with Google,right?

(55:10):
So when they pushed out theirGoogle image, ai, right, or even
chat, gpt in a lot of regards,right, and you would ask it
questions and it would give youclearly biased results that were
not based in reality.
Right, that helps youunderstand.
This learning language model wasprogrammed that way to disclude

(55:31):
or remove some information andsome data and only include other
information.
Or you would ask it like pleasewrite me a glowing song and
poem about President Trump, andChatGPT would say I'm sorry, I
am unable to do that.
I don't get political blah,blah, blah.
And you would say please writeme a glowing song and poetry

(55:52):
about Joe Biden, and it wouldgive you, like you know well,
what option do you want?
Do you want the 10 line option?
The 20 line option?
So you quickly realize this isa bias.
There's a bias involved in thisright.
It's lying to you because itwas designed to lie to you.
So my point is this about AIOne it's a tool like a hammer or
like the devices that we useand the question is who controls

(56:15):
that tool?
Who's programming that tool?
What is the intention of thattool?
When you understand that andyou view it through that frame,
you can use AI for good.
And Breitbart is one of thosecompanies that's actually doing
a decent job of this, becausethey've aggregated all the
scientific data that's out thereand all the studies that are

(56:36):
basically you can't find.
If you search for them onGoogle, you can't find, even
though they're peer-reviewedscientific studies.
They're using it for good.
You can take these tools andthese learning language models
and you can use them for good,but they're tools and people say
, oh well, we shouldn't use it,we should legislate it, we
should put all these stringsattached to how you use AI, or

(56:58):
those who say we shouldn't useit.
I'm a big anti-proponent of that, because that's like saying I
refuse to use gunpowder in myfirearm because it might kill
people, right, because it's aweapon.
It could kill you.
It's bad, it's evil.
Well, if you go to war againstpeople who are using gunpowder,

(57:20):
you're going to be annihilated,and that's what's happened
throughout history, right?
People who've found these newtechnologies and these new tools
and learned how to leveragethem for their own purposes have
been able to survive andcontinue to thrive throughout
history.
So if we approach this from amindset of I'm not going to use
any of it, then we may as wellthrow in the towel.

(57:42):
And throw in the towel becausewe're toast, because they're
going to use these tools againstus.
We can use these tools to ourbenefit, and I'll give you a
perfect example.
I have a friend who's workingon a company right now and, upon
realizing that the vastmajority of accounts online are
bots right, literally, robotsprograms that are fake, fake

(58:06):
image, fake profile, generatingfake content, using these
learning language models to tryto convince people that there's
more followers on certainaccounts or that a certain
narrative has more push behindit, or to even inject just crazy
stuff into certainconversations that people write
it off and don't take itseriously.
This psychological warfarethat's going on and the sci-op

(58:28):
warfare that's going on has beeninsane over the last 10, 15
years, and I could go down thatrabbit hole of data centers I've
been to even 15 years ago, thatwere full of these types of
devices, each one with its ownprofile on one of the social
networks, whether it was um,what was the first one that came
out before Facebook.

(58:50):
Yeah, it was mostly musiciansand whatnot, but anyway, even
back then they were doing this.
They had fake profiles, fakeaccounts.
You can make artists look waybigger than they actually were
and people are like, oh, theyalready have a million followers
, they must be famous, right?
That tech has been around for along time.

(59:10):
So, with that understanding, wecan use that tech to our benefit
.
And what that means is this ifI'm pro-life and I want to push
a pro-life message online, but Idon't want to be online all the
time, I can take my account andI can say I'm going to give my
account access to thisorganization and when there is a
certain significantconversation going on about

(59:32):
pro-life issues, I want to beable to chime in and put my
perspective.
So what this learning languagemodel can do is it can scan
through your posts, learn yourhow you talk right, so that when
you push a post out, it will bein language that will sound
like it really came from you,right, and be pro life, right In
the pro-life, right In themessage, and you'll get an email

(59:54):
or notification that says thisconversation is happening.
Here's the message that we wantto send on your behalf,
basically through your account,into this conversation so that
we can flood those conversationswith real people having real
opinions about these topics.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah, it does.
I heard you on a different showtalking about the idea of
because it's bad, we need toexit and not touch it at all,
and I liked your frame thatthese different environments
your TikTok, your Facebook, yourYouTube they're battlefields
and if we go into it with thatmindset that, oh, this is the
war part of what we're doing andwe are here to save lives and

(01:00:35):
win souls and and help extractpeople from that and and show
them the truth and maybe I thinkmy case try to put them in a
protected ecosystem where we canhave conversations and not have
creepy bots and andinfiltrators and gutter snipes
and that sort of thing.
There is a place for engaging init, almost an omissional aspect
.
Whether you come from aChristian perspective or not.
We're trying to help people seereality and understand that

(01:00:59):
they are being stolen from that,they are being lied to and that
the reality that they thinkthey're seeing on these
platforms is not real.
And I loved your analogy of ourenemy has our comms, they have
our, they have listening earsand everything we touch.
So I'd love you to weigh in onanything I just said or pivot to
that comms analogy, becauseit's brilliant, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
So there's two pieces there and I'm going to hit on
what you were first talkingabout.
So the battlefields, tiktok,facebook, instagram.
If you're simply thereconsuming content, then you're
the product and that's a problem.
You need to stop doing it.
You need to stop using thatplatform for that purpose.
People say, oh well, how am Igoing to keep up with my

(01:01:42):
grandkids?
Or how am I going to blah, blah, blah?
How did you do it 15 years ago?
How did you do it before any ofthese platforms existed?
I mean, I love my wife for somany reasons, but one of the
things that I really admireabout her is her devices are
tools that serve her.
People get pissed at her allthe time.

(01:02:03):
I called you.
I tried calling you, you didn'tpick up.
You didn't pick up.
Why didn't you call me back?
She leaves her phone.
Wherever she leaves it, sheforgets where it is all the time
.
Anyway, she does her thingthroughout the day.
She doesn't bring it when shegoes out places.
She just doesn't.
Because when she wants to pickthis thing up and she wants to
see who called her, she can.

(01:02:25):
When she wants to see whotexted her, she can.
She's not a slave to the device.
She uses it when she wants to,which is exactly what we did 15,
20 years ago when we had phonesand answering machines that
were tied to the wall, right,that's how it existed.
You wanted to talk to somebody,you called them, or you went

(01:02:45):
and just stopped by their house.
You didn't know if they werehome or not.
You had no idea, right?
You would just stop by, maybeleave a note, write a letter,
right?
All these things that we wouldused to do.
So this convenience mindset andpeople think we're so much more
productive as a species becausewe have all this technology
going on.
I would venture to say thatwe're not.
In fact, we're less productivebecause we're wasting so much

(01:03:08):
freaking time doing mindless BS,scrolling on mindless crap.
So, going back to what I wassaying, if you're in these
platforms, you need to bepreaching the word, you need to
be trying to save souls.
That's me, coming from myChristian perspective.
You need to be trying to wakepeople up to what's going on in
the world, not engaging indebates with people on these

(01:03:30):
platforms, because, like I saidbefore, the majority of the time
people have to understand whoyou're debating with is probably
not even a real person.
These technology companieslearned that if they can trigger
you and they know how totrigger you because they have
all this data and all thisinformation about you and,

(01:03:50):
through the learning languagemodels, they know exactly what
keywords they can type and saythat will trigger you to stay on
the platform longer, beingpissed off, trying to have a
conversation and an argumentwith someone which no one has
ever changed their opinion aboutprobably anything ever in the
history of social media throughthose types of online debates,
right?
So you have to understand.

(01:04:12):
Your mission in there is to tryto bring people out of those
environments, get them away fromthose environments, and if it's
not that, if you're using it asa consumer, then you're the
product and that is a problem.
You need to raise your hand.
I'm an addict.
This is a problem.
Well, how am I going to see thepictures of my grandkids?
It's the only medium throughwhich my daughter will blah,
blah, blah.
Well, if your daughter trulycares about you and she wants

(01:04:36):
you to see these pictures,she'll text them to you, or
she'll use a different messagingapp that she can send those to,
or you can maybe go visit them,or you can find another way to
do it.
You don't have to use thatmedium and maybe by you making
that switch and you raise thatquestion in your daughter's mind
, which is, wow, mom's reallytaking this seriously.
She's crazy, right?
She's probably crazy, but themore you start talking to them

(01:04:58):
about it and you engage them onthe conversation, they may
eventually wake up to wow, momwas actually right.
I should probably stop puttingall these photos of my kids up
on these platforms, right?
So that's one piece.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Yeah Well, you can't serve two masters is essentially
what you're saying.
We're going to be a slave tothat and give it our attention
and we're going to say no, Idefy you to take and steal my
attention and I want to put iton things that matter and I have
to be the one that takesinitiative and thought to figure
out how to do that withouttheir quote unquote service.
Right, and it's hard.
It is hard.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
It's going to take a change in your lifestyle habits,
Right, it's not going to beeasy.
It's not easy.
It's just going to the fastfood place and grabbing a quick
burger.
You're going to have to maybegrow some of your own food and
learn how to do that, and that'snot easy.
Right, You're going to getpushback.
People are going to call youcrazy.
But honest to God, Christian,when I talk to people it's no

(01:05:58):
longer oh hey, how's your daygoing?
Jokingly but seriously, with myfriends who are on the front
lines.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Now we say how's your persecution going?

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Because if you're not being persecuted right now in
some way, shape or form, I'msorry to say you're probably not
doing something right In thetimes that we're in right now.
You're probably not doingsomething right right In the
times that we're in right now.
You're probably not doingsomething right If your life is
just totally perfect andeverybody's super happy and
loves everything that you'retalking about and doing right.
I look to the lives of thesaints and I look to the gospels

(01:06:24):
and I look at history and theprophets.
None of them were treatedextremely well.
In fact, many were martyred andkilled and massacred right so
I'm not hoping for that, I don't.
I mean, if that happens, then Iknow I've done my job extremely
well.
Then I know god's gonna be likehey bro, nice job, right?
Yeah, I don't desire that but,if that happens, I know that

(01:06:48):
I've been.
So be it, it is what it is.
I'm in the fight, right, um.
So that's a key thing.
But let's go back to one of theother key points here.
If I gave you a firearm,christian, to go fight in the
battle, and I told you thatthere was a GPS tracking device
on it, there was a camera andthere was a microphone on it,
you'd be like, oh sweet, that'scool.
And if I said, but, by the way,all of that data is being fed

(01:07:11):
to the enemy that you're aboutto go fight, would you use that
firearm in that battle?
No, no, of course not.
No one in their right mindwould do that.
And yet that is exactly what weare doing right now, when you
realize that these phones andthese laptops that we use all
day, every day, they're weapons,they're designed to be

(01:07:32):
psychological warfare weapons,and yet they're controlled and
owned by the Google, the Apple,the Microsoft, the Amazon I
could go on and on thesecompanies that literally are the
enemy.
So the other key point here isin warfare, comms are absolutely
critical.
If the enemy has access to yourcomms, you're done for right.

(01:07:54):
But the other key thing is thisIf I have access and control
over the enemy's comms.
Do I let them know that or do Ikeep that secret?
I keep it secret, right?
Why would I let the enemy knowthat I would let them to
continue to use their comms?
And that's the paradigm that welive in.
This is war and our enemy istreating it as war and they are

(01:08:19):
winning, and have been winning,this war on many levels, because
they have full reign access toour comms, to all of our data.
So when you start to realizethat that if I control the
operating system of your device,I control the device, it means
I don't care if you're using aprivate messenger app.
You could be using ProtonMail,you could be using Signal, you

(01:08:41):
could be using ProtonMail, youcould be using Signal, you could
be using Telegram, all theseencrypted messaging apps.
But if I control your device, Isee what you see, I hear what
you hear.
So it renders that encryptionpointless and useless.
Right, but most people don'thave any understanding other
than every single event I go toand I've traveled this whole

(01:09:03):
country and I've trainedthousands of people.
At this point, on this verytopic, how many and I asked the
room how many of you have had aconversation about something and
then you've seen anadvertisement for that thing
within 24, 48 hours.
Literally a hundred percent ofthe people raise their hand, but
the few exceptions are thepeople that have already made
the switch off of these Appleand Google and Microsoft devices

(01:09:24):
.
Every single person, everybody,wants to tell me their story
about.
Oh, just the other day I wastalking about buying a boat and
then I saw boats that wereselling my house and then it was
a real estate company orwhatever.
Everyone has it.
Some people get stuff in themail too, within 24, 48 hours of
them talking about random thing, right, and very specific thing
, like I want a Labradoodle andthen all of a sudden you get ads

(01:09:47):
for Labradoodles, right.
Yeah, this is a real thing.
Everybody has a story.
So we know these devices arelistening to us and tracking and
storing all this information.
So not only are these companiesmonetizing that information,
because that's been sold soGoogle has said anyone who uses
the term Labradoodle right, thathas a certain dollar value,

(01:10:09):
that is being sold in the openmarket, but it's being used by
people who want to manipulateand control us and the
narratives that are going onaround us as well, right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Well, it's bigger than that.
It's not just the narratives,it's the ability to figure out
when a conversation is buildingand where people are gathering
and getting organized and theycan just oh, they can
preemptively see that data cloudcoming together and say, oh,
let's just take Parler out,because we can't have that
conversation going on.
And, to your point, the killswitches are everywhere.
So it's not just thelabradoodle, it's the human

(01:10:48):
energy getting organized andbuilding anything grassroots is
still at risk if we do notunderstand that.
This is how that system wasdesigned to work to preemptively
find us when we're trying topush back.
And the stupidity of givingthem our comms while we're
trying to win the war just makeseven more sense.
Like that is a problem we'regoing to need to solve if we
truly hope to make an impacthere.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Yeah, and that's, in part, what drives me every day
is when I see generals who areon the front lines of this war,
who are still using iPhones, whoare still using their Google
Android device, they're stillusing Microsoft Teams, they're
still using Zoom, they're stillusing all of these platforms and
applications and operatingsystems that are literally owned
and controlled by companiesthat are trying to destroy us,

(01:11:29):
and it's you know, the moneythat they make off of us through
all of this.
Not only is it being usedagainst us, but the money we
give them and that they generatefrom all this data.
Yeah.
To the tune of five companies.
Five big tech companies makeover a trillion dollars a year,
which is more than almost everycountry.
It's mind boggling, right, yeah, and they spend tens of

(01:11:52):
billions of dollars oncandidates, on causes, on DEI
initiatives, on hiring practices, on all kinds of stuff that is
literally designed to keep us inthis 1984 brave new world slave
system, right.
Yeah.
So, again, this is like once youread the ingredients on the

(01:12:14):
food and you understand whatit's doing to yourself.
You have to make that choice.
Am I going to continue to eatthis garbage and use this stuff
that's killing me, or am I goingto start the process of making
a change?
And it's a journey again.
So that's why, on my website,for example, you can sign up
right now.
On the very top right it saysfree consult.

(01:12:36):
You can spend 15, 30 minuteswith me.
I will have a conversation aboutyou, try to figure out where
you're at in your life right now, so that we can start to walk
you through that journey.
Here's your options, here's theprocess Get you started on that
journey and on that process.
But you have to make thatdecision.
You have to say okay.
I know there's a million thingsI need to be doing in my life

(01:12:57):
right now to include eatinghealthier, working out, thinking
better thoughts you know,having happier thoughts to
manifest throughout the rest ofmy body eat, drinking more water
.
But one of those things has tobe the technology that we use,
because these devices havestarted to control us and have
for a long time.
That has to be a priority.
It has to Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Well, I'm going to give you a kind of a quick hit
list of.
I imagine listeners are liketell me what else to like.
They're interested in pivotingin some way.
So just maybe quick responsesof almost find and replaced of
you mentioned zoom, youmentioned microsoft office, etc.
Etc.
So what if you have a, analternate for, let's say, zoom?
What's your go-to?

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
uh, so there's a company called meetin m-e-E-T-N
dot com.
That's an option.
Meaton is a Zoom replacement.
My business has been using itfor about a year and a half now.
It's gotten really good.
It can literally do everythingthat Zoom can do.
The ownership over there arediehard libertarians.
They will fight to the death todefend our constitutional
rights, so Meaton is a Zoomalternative.

(01:14:00):
By the way, I have an article onmy site.
If you go to the resources page, it's the very top articles.
It's Boycott, big TechResources and Alternatives.
It lists all of this for youremail, your VPN, your browser.
All of it is right thereFantastic Key ones.
Brave Talk is another one.
Not many people know, but youcan use bravecom forward slash
talk.
That is also a a conferencecall feature.

(01:14:24):
It's actually free for up tofour people.
Um, that's an option.
There's all kinds of funoptions If you want to start to
manage and host your own stuff.
Um, so you can create up yourown private comms.
You can create your own privateum video conferencing service.
It takes someone to set it upand then manage it, but all that

(01:14:44):
stuff is also available.
You can learn that as wellthrough our website.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Give people your website.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
It's markmark37.com Mark37.com and that's scriptural
, by the way.
We can get into that, maybelater, but mark37.com, right.
Okay, but one of the first keysteps and let me I just want to
make sure that I hit this point,like before you talked at me or
any other geek about, like,what the journey needs to look
like you need to do an audit ofyour own personal digital life,

(01:15:16):
right?
So I don't.
You don't go into the gardeningstore and they say, well, uh,
and say I want to raise bed.
They're going to ask you, well,how much space do you have?
Do you have a really smallbackyard?
You only have a patio to workwith.
How big is that patio?
Like, what are the dynamics,what are the variables that
we're playing with?
So you have to audit your owndigital life first.
What are the devices that I'musing?

(01:15:37):
What are the applications thatI'm dependent on?
Do I have the username andpasswords for those applications
?
That alone stumps.
Like 90% of people, they don'teven know the usernames and
passwords for the things thatthey are literally dependent on.
If they got a new device andthey had to re-log in, they'd be

(01:15:58):
like I don't know, I have noidea, right, yeah, so you have
to do this digital audit whatare these devices and then look
around, expand this.
So I have an article that'sjust on this.
It's three steps to digitalprivacy and freedom, and it
walks you through this auditprocess.
Go through your house what arethe smart devices that I have
around my house?
Are you using an Amazon Alexadot or a google dot or whatever

(01:16:21):
the heck these things are calledthese days?
yeah, get that thing out of yourhouse right it's not like how
do I use this thing safely?
No, don't use no safe way toget rid of it.
Use it in target practice, sellit online.
Get rid of the darn thing Ilike the target practice.
I hadn't thought of that yeah,okay, smart tvs most smart tvs
have a camera and a microphoneon them, did you?

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
know that.
Yeah, did they tell you have a?

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
smart tv in your bedroom, because you probably
shouldn't keep that smart tv inyour bedroom with a camera and a
microphone on it.
Um, so simple things like that,where first we have to take an
audit of our digital.
It's different than if I.
I come to you Christian.
I'm like hey, I want you tomake my eating habits better.
You're like well, what are youreating habits now?
Yeah.

(01:17:08):
I can't tell you what to changeto if I don't know what when you
eat, what type of food you'reeating.
Now, you can't really help meunless I tell you what's going
on in my life and what I'mworking with.
So that's the hard part, and Iknow you know this.
In your world, people just wantthat silver bullet.
They're like well, just tell methe thing I need to buy that'll
make me safe and secure, andI'm like no, it's not that

(01:17:29):
simple, and anyone who's tryingto sell you that silver bullet,
like, just take this pill orjust drink this thing.
I promise you they're lying toyou.
It is not that simple.
It is not that easy right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Well, and that's what's been fun about our
dialogue.
I've been attempting to do myown digital disentangle and I'm
having trouble in particularplaces finding the off ramp,
like how do I continue to run adigital business without this
and I the friction or being timepoor from time to time makes it
hard to do that, and so, forthe listener, what we're gonna,
we decided before we did thiswe're gonna do a second episode

(01:18:07):
and sean's gonna open it in theamount of time here before we
can get to that.
But he's gonna help me find thesolutions I haven't been able
to find yet and we'll kind ofcome back and report as almost a
debrief of here's what it waslike walking through that.
Here's where, where I got stuckand hopefully, for some of you
guys, speed you up in thatprocess.
And I may not be able to helpbig businesses with my story,
but individuals or smallbusiness there's so many options

(01:18:30):
and this is not.
I've watched his tech as I'veused it.
I'm like jeez, I didn't knowthese things existed and I'm
eager and excited to do the work, to move into private
ecosystems and then bring myfriends with me so we can have
off the record conversations andand not have labradoodle ads
show up unprompted constantly.
So so stay tuned for that.

(01:18:51):
But, sean, give us a littleencouragement, or just give.
I like to think of myself as asystems level thinker and I hope
to have a generational outlookwith what we're doing.
Level thinker, and I hope tohave a generational outlook with
what we're doing.
So you and I may not, in ourlifetime, fix and solve all this
, but we can start to frame theproblem and hand some of this
off to our kids or other peoplethat can do the work.
So what is it that you think isgoing to take to impact this

(01:19:11):
current system?
How do we start to make a dentin it to where we really are
creating too much sand in thegears and maybe even hit this
tipping point where they sayjump and we say no, and they say
eat bugs and we say no, andthey say use our money, and
we're like no thanks and likewhat is it going to take for us
to get to a place where we canstart to have autonomy and

(01:19:33):
sovereignty over our ownambitions and not be under this
thumb of somebody who wants tocontrol us and milk us for
everything we're worth?

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Yeah, I mean, it's a process, it's a journey.
You have to surround yourselfwith the community, whether it's
online or it's in person.
Find a community of people whocan help you through this, no
matter whether it's your healthor it's your IT or whatever it
is.
You need to find that community.
That is so absolutely critical,so absolutely important.
So the community is key andthose communities are growing

(01:20:02):
across the country.
That's that's what I have foundin my travels.
I've been going all over thiscountry.
I've been in probably 15 statesin the last year and a half
alone doing these types oftrainings.
There are amazing communitiesthat cover all kinds of
different ground that havesparked up over the last couple
of years.
So you can find a community.
You just have to do a littlebit about a research and I'm

(01:20:24):
sure if you need help findingone, you can reach out to me.
Go to support S-U-P-P-O-R-T atmark37.com.
Tell me where you're at.
I'll try to point you at somecommunities that will be good
and helpful.
But community is key.

(01:20:44):
The technology is advancing asmore and more people are using
these tools.
They get better and better andmore and more people who work
for these big tech companies,who are on the same page and on
the same mission can kind ofjustify you know in their head.
Well, I may not be making youknow the same amount of money if
I migrate over to this newcompany, but I can still make
you know I can cover my basesand at least be working for a
company that's not trying tokill people.

(01:21:04):
So the more users there are,the more people, the more job
opportunities are available forthose folks to start to migrate
and start to create and buildthis parallel economy.
But we have to understand thatit is a parallel economy.
I truly believe that it's notlike one system is going to burn
to the ground and become ashwhile another just rises.

(01:21:25):
There's going to be twoparadigm realities that exist at
the same time and we're seeingit right now.
We saw it all through COVID.
I was living in Raleigh at thetime.
For example, my family wouldwalk down the street in Raleigh.
We'd have people screaming atus and yelling at us because we
weren't wearing masks and wewere killing people and yada,
yada.
And yet we would get in the carand say this is BS and drive 20

(01:21:46):
minutes south to a town calledFukui and the bars were open.
The restaurants were open.
Near nobody was wearing masks.
It was like a differentparadigm reality and you wanted
to like take the people inRaleigh and bring them down here
and say look, this exists.
People aren't dying in thestreets, in fact, there's a.
There's fewer people going tothe hospital and the ER than

(01:22:07):
there are in your system percapita.
Um, and yet those two paradigmsexisted.
At the same time happenedthroughout the entire country.
The vast majority of tier two,tier three cities, in fact, in
middle America, middle Americaand even up and down the coast,
existed that way.
Their businesses were open.
Some took some precautions, butthey didn't shut everything
down, but they kept quiet aboutit because they didn't want the

(01:22:30):
Department of Health and HumanServices or different health
services coming into theircommunities.
That same thing's happeningwith IT.
It.
There's always going to bepeople who are your Apple
cultists that are going tocontinue to use Apple products,
continue to use Google, continueto use all these products,
despite the fact that they knowwhat's happening.
They're saying I don't care,it's convenient, it's easy, it's

(01:22:52):
simple, the pros outweigh thecons.
So what?
We're not going to changeeverybody, but you can make a
difference by you simplystarting to do these things.
Like I said before, by notbeing on Facebook and someone
saying why did you get offFacebook, you can start that
dialogue in that conversationand start to explain to people.

(01:23:14):
This is why I do a lot of theface to face trainings that I do
If I can give people just somenuggets of information and
knowledge that they can thenshare to start that conversation
with someone else, then I'vedone my job.
Yeah, I've done my job.
So by you starting to do thesethings, you can start that
conversation with the peoplearound you and in those

(01:23:34):
communities.
So be the agent of change,right?
So you know the Gandhi quote bethe change you want to see in
the world.
Like, yeah, do that.
Be that there's more and morepeople.
From a device perspective,there are phones operating
systems and laptop operatingsystems that don't require you
to learn how to code.
It used to be the case that ifyou wanted to use Linux, you had

(01:23:56):
to learn how to code and script.
You don't need to do thatanymore.
That's new as of like fouryears ago.
Yeah, it's huge.
So now my 77 year old dad,who's like a tech neophyte,
which means he doesn'tunderstand technology he can use
a Linux based laptop and nothave any issues or problems and
not have to go in and try tocode anything.

(01:24:16):
It just works.
Right.
So that exists and we have thosedevices that are available on
my site, but they're all overthe place now.
Same thing with your phones allkinds of applications that you
can use that will accomplishwhat you need to accomplish,
that are not harvesting yourdata.
So all this stuff exists.
You just have to start theprocess and start the journey
and figure out what is going towork for me in my life, with my

(01:24:39):
demands, with my needs, with myfamily, in my region, in my
location all that?

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Yeah Well, and if anybody listening to this says
you know you're an investormindset or you have big money
behind what you're doing andyou're trying to find something
to get behind, this could be onething.
To Sean's point, the technologyexists and we need money to
help it scale.
We need people who are willingto invest in this and create the
jobs and the marketing and givepeople like us more microphones
to pick up and say we can dothis, it is possible, but we

(01:25:07):
just need the will and thepeople to make the services
better and better, and that, toyour point, linux already works,
like somebody figured that out.
Thankfully, that's one fewerproblem that we have that we
need to solve.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
And Amen and that's one fewer problem that we have
that we need to solve and amen,and I appreciate you saying that
, because I've invested all ofmy savings I've even gone in the
hole too much money and I haveput everything on the line on
this and I need some capitalpartners to help us continue to
do what we're doing and scaleand grow what we're doing,
because it's going to.
We need some help and theunfortunate paradigm reality we
live in is conservativeConservatives are conservative

(01:25:42):
with their money, so they wouldrather go invest in another
Jimmy John's that they know thatthey can get a 6% 7% return on,
even though that doesn't evenmeet inflation these days, than
go invest in something new in astartup.
That's not how they think andhow they operate.
So it's not just me, it's everyentrepreneur I know who's on
the same mission.
Right now we're strugglingbecause we're trying to find

(01:26:05):
capital from investors who arewilling to get behind these
types of projects and it's tough.
So we're dependent on,unfortunately, like mom and pops
, and we're dependent on Joe,who's barely getting by anyway,
right Like that's not how itshould be.
Um, so it's.

(01:26:26):
It's very frustrating right now, but if anyone who's listening
resonates with what I'm talkingabout and understands his
problems, that wants to help andsupport in any way they can.
Uh, from a capital perspective,I'm actively right now, um in a
campaign to to raise some funds.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Yeah, well, and tell them how to find you, and we'll
kind of wrap up with this here.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Yeah.
So support at mark37.com orSean S-E-A-N.
Sean at mark37.com is how youcan find me.
But, chris, I'm looking forwardto working with you.
I truly believe that peoplecan't really imagine themselves
doing or becoming that whichthey haven't experienced or
heard or read about in some way,shape or form.
So us going through thisprocess together and walking you

(01:27:06):
through your journey as a smallbusiness owner and a father and
a husband, I think is going tobe huge.
So people can be like, oh,that's how you do that.
So if Christian could do it, Ican do it too.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
This is possible with somebody that busy and
entangled in so many differenttech platforms possible with
somebody that busy and entangledin so many different tech
platforms?
Yeah, I'm committed to doing it, and I just need somebody like
yourself who can show me the wayand be patient with my slow to
figure this thing out questions,and I know that you're the guy
for the job.
So thank you so much, sean, foryour time today, for your
wisdom, for just telling it likeyou see it and being unafraid

(01:27:37):
to speak truth, and it is anhonor to know you and to have
you here on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Right back at you, brother, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
All right, we'll talk soon.
Peace.

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