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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Here's a conversation
I had recently with Reed Davis,
a board-certified holistichealth practitioner and
certified nutritional therapist.
Over many years of experience,reed has developed expertise in
applying functional lab testingto pinpoint environmental,
hormonal, nutritional and otherhealth disruptions and
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toxicities.
He's the founder of FunctionalDiagnostic Nutrition and the FDN
certification course that hastrained over 4,000 graduates in
50 countries that apply Reed'sprinciples of functional testing
and remediation.
Reed is a fountain of knowledgeand experience on solving
health questions, even aftermany doctors have failed.
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Well, welcome, reid.
Thank you very much, and ofcourse, I should mention that we
are not related, at least notas far as I know, despite
sharing the same last name.
But I track you down, reid,because I know you have a long
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history of being involved inenvironmental exposures,
something I've only dabbled in,not dove deeply into, so I
wanted to hear your perspective,knowing that you've been doing
this for a long, long time.
Can you tell me how you gotstarted in this specific?
You do many things, of course,but how you got started
specifically in being concernedabout environmental exposures.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
You know, I went to
school, I went to the University
of San Diego, I graduatedpost-grad program in
environmental and business lawand I was just fascinated by the
idea that we could make theplanet a better place, you know.
So I've always been kind of aBoy Scout, I guess, and I worked
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in that field for many, manyyears and a lot of recycling and
things.
But you get to see, you know, Iwas saving the planet.
I thought Air birds, watertrees, bees and all that.
But in the late 90s 1999,actually, I changed jobs and
went to work at a wellnesscenter.
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I just started worrying aboutpeople.
I said, look at all this damagebeing done to the earth, and
again, air birds, water trees,bees, and what about people,
people?
I said, look at all this damagebeing done to the earth, and
and again, air birds, watertrees, bees, and, um, what about
people?
So including me.
Now I thought I was reallyhealthy and didn't never really
been to a doctor before.
But I I just got concerned andand, uh, like I said, I didn't
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want anything sneaking up on meand taking me by surprise.
You know, people, I was in my40s back in the 90s, so you know
how old, I am now Well into my70s and so for 25 years I've
been just working with what'sthe environment doing to people,
people at this wellness centerwhere I worked.
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I pretty much took over theplace where I worked.
I pretty much took over theplace, but everyone coming in
the door, bill, was sick and hadbeen to eight or ten
practitioners already and wasn'tbetter yet and I just thought
this is all wrong.
You know, that's kind of aripoff actually.
And one day I was out riding mymotorcycle in Southern
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California, which I do all thetime, and I thought you know
what I'm going to help thesepeople?
I'm going to be the last personthey need to see it.
I don't know how, but I'm goingto do it.
And I'll just wrap it up thispart, you know, by saying that I
spent the next 10 years runninglaboratory work on these people
coming in, and they were comingin for an alternative.
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Again, they were stuck in thecycle of trial and error,
frustrated, no answers anywhere,and with the lab work that I
started running turned up someamazing things and really helped
solve people's problems.
I had a lot to learn, I'll say,but I had nothing to unlearn
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because I had no medicaltraining at the time and you
know I could say the rest ishistory, but it's been.
I spent 10 years there and Imade a lot of observations of my
own.
I had great, great mentors, thelab directors, these scientists
that were coming up with newtypes of labs.
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You know, outside of thestandard of care type, you know
blood work and stuff.
Matter of fact, a lot of ourpatients have been told their
blood work looks fine, looksnormal, and they wonder well,
why do I feel so bad?
Why am I overweight?
And you know, depressed andangry and sad?
You know, or you know, justskin is bad, or you know, just
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hurting all the time, and so Ionly looked for underlying
causes.
That's all I cared about.
No diagnosis, no treatment, anda lot of that was environmental
, to answer your question.
Not always, but a lot of it isjust, you know, our innate
intelligence can't handle thisenvironment that we live in.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I know you've
referred to modern people as
serving as lab rats for industry.
Yeah, could you elaborate?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
on that?
Oh sure, so.
Well, there's two ways to lookat that when you mention it.
One is that we're all kind ofthe rats in the maze.
You know, the number ofchemicals that we're exposed to
is in the tens of thousands, andonly a few, relatively few,
maybe a couple thousand, havebeen tested for safety.
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So the rest are just being used, they get approved.
Yeah, okay, this chemical doesthis or that and that might be
useful in industry or even inour lives, but they're not
tested.
We're the test, we're the ratsin the maze.
That's the way I look at it.
You know, according to onedoctor friend of mine, he Dr
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Russell Jaffe.
He's an amazing, brilliantperson, lectures all around the
country to other doctors.
He says we're swimming in atoxic soup, sort of that.
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Modern medicine is experimentaltoo.
I won't refer to anythingrecently that happened but we
get subjected to things that arenot proven, and so we're all
ransomware from both theenvironmental, the chemicals
that aren't tested, and even inthe medical system.
Things are being tried and theyaren't always that successful.
That was the basis of my work.
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So, coming out of environmentallaw and conservation, I was
worried about people and went towork in a clinic and worked
really hard.
I again had great mentorship.
I ran a lot of labs and madesome observations.
That has turned into a systemfor people to investigate why
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they you know what are theunderlying causes, conditions,
and I have a whole program.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
That's quite
remarkable actually so I I know
you've done these sorts oftesting in thousands and
thousands of people.
Have you seen any specificpatterns fall out?
For instance, do you find that,uh, the bulk of problems are
caused by, let's say, pcbs orpfos chemicals?
Are there patterns emerging?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
you know?
Um, there are, but most of themare diet-related.
You know, frankly, I liketalking about the environment
and there's everything.
There's air pollutants, youknow.
There's ozone and carbonmonoxide and sulfur dioxide
which is released by certainindustries.
And you remember, back in the70s and 60s, acid rain.
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You know acid rain has beenpretty much eliminated because
now we make these manufacturersand processors scrub their
excipients.
But all these thingsparticulate matter from all
kinds of combustion sources iscrazy.
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So that's the stuff that's inthe air.
Then there's water contaminants.
Again, the Clean Air Act thatcame around in the 60s was
really instrumental in helping.
Basically, a bunch of hippielawyers, after that act was
passed, started suing thegovernment and these big
companies.
So they wouldn't.
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You know, I lived in Ohio wherethe Cuyahoga River actually
caught on fire in 1967 becauseit was so polluted.
The river caught on fire.
That river goes right into LakeErie, one of the great lakes,
where it was called a dead lake.
It was known as a dead lake.
Well, that lake is now thewalleye fishing capital of the
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country, maybe the world, Idon't know.
But you can go there and fishnow and catch delicious fish,
and the local restaurants aroundLake Erie serve these fish in
their restaurants, and so wecan't change things.
And it's gotten better from oneperspective like that.
But the amount of stuff that'sin our food, that's allowed to
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be in our food, is unbelievablytoxic.
And then what we drink out ofyou know, there's all the like
you mentioned PCBs, bpa,phthalates, all kinds of things.
They're just rotten, not tomention herbicides, pesticides,
insecticides, rodenticides.
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So it starts getting bad.
And then heavy metals lead,mercury, cadmium and we're
exposed to these.
And if you don't test, you haveno clue.
You're sick.
You don't know why no one'smeasuring this stuff.
Have no clue, you just you'resick.
You don't know why no one'smeasuring this stuff.
And um, that doesn't eveninclude the volatile, the vocs
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you know, volatile organiccompounds.
These are gases that out gasfrom paint and from new
carpeting and new, new draperiesor even clothing, I would
venture to say.
Cleaning products, householdcleaning products, personal care
products are toxic.
So the best place to go lookfor the consumer is probably the
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Environmental Working Group.
I'm sure you've heard of themand it's ewgorg.
Go to ewgorg, go to ewgorg.
More information there willkeep you busy from now to
Christmas reading up oneverything that can ail you, and
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it's just remarkable.
So my life has been for thelast 25 years has been running
labs, running labs, running labs, finding out what the
underlying causes are and thenhelping people to creatively
overcome those obstacles tohealth.
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It's not diagnosing andtreating medical conditions,
which is a little different,maybe, than what your background
or training is, but I knowyou're well aware of what I'm
saying.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So your testing
platforms are capable of
identifying all thesecontaminants in various body
fluids.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Well, yes, but the
first thing we do is look at the
damage done and what well, andthen after and what needs to be
fixed, so to speak.
So, if I could put it in a realsuccinct, lay terms, um,
instead of diagnosing andtreating, figure out what's
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really wrong and fix it.
So it sounds easier, or um, Idon't know how it sounds
actually, but that's what we doand I've been doing it 25 years.
It's a, it's sort of a groundup or I'll call it the people's
power to the people kind of amethodology.
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I'm trying to get people totake responsibility for their
health and I provide thelaboratory testing, the data
that they need to figure outwhat's wrong.
Why do they feel so lousy,especially if they've been to
five practitioners and aren'tbetter yet?
To me again, that's a ripoffand I wanted to end that cycle.
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So the laboratory work becamemy investigative tool and you
mentioned.
Well, you asked do I test forenvironmental pollutants?
Oh, yeah, there's some goodpanels, but I don't start there
because you're just guessing.
Well, maybe what's wrong withyou is environmental pollutants
and even though we know it'sprobably a factor, what about
the foods you're eating?
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You can be sensitive to those.
What about parasites, bacteria,funguses, viruses and things.
So all of these things that arein our environment can have an
effect on every cell, tissue,organ system.
That's the thing.
There's only so much, and Iknow you'll understand this
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innate intelligence.
So our bodies are designed tobe healthy.
Every cell wants to be healthy.
You don't have to teach a cellwhat its job is.
It knows if it's a brain cell,muscle cell, whatever, and it'll
do its job without interference.
In other words, theintelligence built is built in.
But is that enough?
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Is that neat intelligence, fromwherever it came from?
Is that enough in today's world?
And it turns out it's not.
Not in today's world, uh, withthe amount of toxins and all the
things we just met, theassaults you know we haven't
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even touched on in myelectromagnetic frequencies, and
radiation and and blue lightcoming off the screen that I'm
sitting right in front of, youknow.
That's why we have thesespecial glasses and things to
put on, uh, as it gets later inthe day, and so, so there's a
lot of things in the environmentthat the way we're built as
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human beings, uh, can't handle.
We're not designed for that, um, and so I'll say that about
this.
What you hear in alternativehealth is that?
Oh, the innate intelligence,the body wants to be healthy?
Um, yeah, it does, uh, but youbetter know how to sort some
things out, identify the healingopportunities and the
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contributors to what I callmetabolic chaos.
The contributors to metabolicchaos, that's why you're falling
apart.
There's always multiple healingopportunities.
And oh, by the way, these causalfactors have an effect on each
other and they aren't evenmeasurable in some cases, not
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singly measurable, and that'scoming from a guy who teaches a
course in lab work.
That's what I do.
I teach the lab work and thenatural protocols, of course,
but you know to answer yourquestion, yes, we test for
environmental pollutants and,again, all the stressors that we
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can measure, and you can'tmeasure them all, but we test
for the ones we can.
And, yes, that helps us reducethe influence.
But people aren't coming to ushealthy Saying, hey, I want to
know what my environmentalfactors are.
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They're coming to us withproblems, they've got you name
it.
Just all the chronic conditionsand things that they've been
told are actually normal, thataren't like headaches and
fatigue, oh, that's normal foryour age.
That's all baloney.
You're designed to be healthyand so we look at the damage
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that's done to the body beforewe go looking for what it might
be influenced by.
So those?
Let me give you the six areasthat I look for in every person.
Would that be okay?
Sure, we look in our standardlabs.
Look at the hormones, see,because the environment affects
your hormones.
So let's look at those hormones.
Let's see how out of balancethey are catabolic, anabolic,
you know, your body's breakingdown, the sex hormones go and
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that would affect the immunesystem.
So we look at hormones, immunesystem, and when your immune
system goes, the lining of yourgut goes, as you well know, I
don't have to tell you that.
Then you get, uh, these,thispermeability.
Your digestion isn't any good.
So we check hormone immunedigestion and, of course, with
leaky gut, you're going to havea congested liver, so your
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detoxification system is goingto be down.
So your questions are reallygreat ones.
What about environmentalinfluences?
Yeah, but what's the damagedone?
First, because that's whatpeople want to fix, and you, you
can't always change yourenvironment either.
Um, where people, we can't allgo live on top of a mountain and
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guess what?
They've tested the air and anddirt in the top of mountains and
it's polluted too.
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So, if I understand you, you'rekind of treating hormones,
hormonal patterns, as the canaryin the coal mine.
To give you a hint of where tolook for sources of the
disruption I look at six thingshormone immune digestion,
detoxification, energyproduction and nervous system.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So that's what I call
the HIDDEN H-I-D-D-E-N it's an
acronym for what I just saidhormone immune digestion, and so
on.
So we run those labs first.
That's the pattern I recognizein 10 years in the office,
running thousands of labs onthousands of people.
Everyone is affected by all ofthese influences.
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But what does it affect?
Why do I feel so crappy?
Hormone immune digestion,detoxification and so on, and
those can be improved.
I'll just say you can't alwaysfix everything, but you can
improve all those things whenyou understand the degree to
which you're out of balance orbroken, if you want.
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And then, uh, um, you know, theother challenge is to find out.
Um, we create a, we create alifestyle program for someone,
and there's another acronym forthat, it's d-r-e-s-s diet, rest,
exercise, stress reduction,supplementation.
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Those are the things that peoplehave power over and you can
modify those behaviors so thatyou're less stressed out by all
the environmental pollutants andthings.
They cause a lot of stress andyou're trying to nurture that
innate intelligence.
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So that becomes our goal,really, and you've written some
amazing books about thedigestion and the gut and
mucosal barrier and all thesethings and it's really important
and if it gets people thinkingabout what they eat better, and
if it gets people thinking aboutwhat they eat better.
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And so with this discussionwe're just kind of extrapolating
and expanding on that.
The way is not just what youeat, it's the air you breathe
and the water you drink, and thepersonal care products you use
and the household cleaningproducts, and on and on and on.
You know, exposure, exposure,exposure.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Can you give an idea
what life looks like in the reed
davis household?
Do you filter your water?
Use an air?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
yeah, polytrees do
you use you know, I I get up
really early and, um, I'll workfor an hour or two and then I go
and and kind of wake my wife uptoday it was at about quarter
to six, I'd already worked foran hour or so and we pray and
then I come back down and get acup of coffee and I go to work.
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I usually work till about noonor one o'clock and then I go
outside and I play in my gardenor I go riding motorcycles or we
take care of chores, you know,whatever it is that we have to
do.
But so the but we eat, right,we only organic food.
I won't buy anything withchemicals in it, if you can help
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it.
You know.
You, things in bags, boxes, youknow.
So we actually grow our ownproduce.
I have some acreage here inSouthern California.
It only rains 30 days a yearhere, you know, unlike some
other places, but you know.
So I moved here.
We grow our own food.
I order only, you know,grass-fed, grass-finished beef
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from a place I trust, and so onand so on.
So my diet is pure as it can be.
It's also very balanced interms of protein, fat and
carbohydrates.
As you know, blood sugarcontrol is epidemically.
It's causing problems.
So that's really important,getting that protein, fat and
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carb ratio right and then.
So the D-R-E-S-S Rest is whereI might be a little weak.
You know I don't sleep as wellas I could.
I get up early.
I go to bed early though, butI'll rest in the day Behind my
screen.
Here I have a day bed and if Ineed a nap I take one.
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I don't feel ashamed about itone bit.
I go.
Well, I need my rest, you know,and so.
So diet rest.
Now the exercise I, we have ourown gym and I meet with a
trainer.
Uh, virtually because we're outin the country.
Um, my trainer used to comehere, move the way.
So we just, I get my ipad andwe work out together three times
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a week.
So exercise is important.
My wife and I also walk.
We're on a hill so we walk downto the garden probably 60 steps
down, um, it's, it's a decentlittle walk and we hike around
here.
You have to watch out formountain lions, but um, they
like the old and infirm, I'mtold.
I mean so you don't want tosneak.
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So diet rest, exercise.
Now.
Stress reduction is just just aphenomenally big area and we've
been talking about one kind ofstressor, the environmental
stressors and pollutants, andyou know things that that are
hidden.
I mean, they're really.
You don't even know what'ssometimes going on.
I've had my well water testedand think just to see what kind
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of you got to do these things.
Um so, but stress reductionalso obviously can include
mental, emotional,psycho-spiritual kinds of stress
.
I think having a purpose inlife makes it less stressful.
Um, you always know what youare trying to accomplish with
your life.
That's really important forpeople.
But also stress from, you know,driving in traffic, or you got
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a boss you don't like, you gotkids that are misbehaving,
whatever it might be, you know.
So you have all thoseenvironmental stressors, you
have all these mental, emotionalstressors.
And the other thing that I wouldsay is one of my things is a
very well used body, which meansI've got aches and pains from
injuries, old injuries.
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I did a lot of sports.
I did jujitsu and all kinds ofthings.
We taught kickboxing andsurfing and skiing and
motorcycle riding, and so thattrauma to your body is also very
stressful.
So diet, rest, exercise.
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We talked about stressreduction is vast because it's
in all these differentcategories.
What's weird is that your bodyresponds about the same.
You know cortisol, dhea get outof balance, you get catabolic,
your body starts breaking downAgain.
I can show you on this labresults, lab tests, how the
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dominoes fall right and then howto fix it.
But the last S in D-R-E-S-S issupplementation.
So I'm explaining to you how mywife and I live and I've
trained over 4,000 practitionersand they have hundreds of
clients.
So thousands and thousands ofpeople are following the DRESS.
We call it DRESS for healthsuccess.
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It's kind of cute, but it'svery meaningful.
What do I need to analyze mylifestyle?
Look at diet and rest andexercise and stress reduction in
all its forms, andsupplementation, because,
frankly, food just isn't goodenough anymore.
It's not the food that my Igrew up in Canada and both my
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grandfathers grew food, justlike I grow mine now.
A lot of this what I learned asa kid.
But man, their food was reallynutritious.
The food in grocery stores isnot as nutritious it doesn't.
The soils are depleted and youknow the whole thing.
I mean not even including allthe stuff they spray on it.
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So diet, rest, exercise, stressreduction, supplementation Take
some extra vitamins, minerals,essential fatty acids,
antioxidants and somethingspecial for what you're dealing
with or working on.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Most of us guys don't
use much in the way of
toiletries maybe shampoo andconditioner and a couple of
other things, but the ladies, ofcourse, are exposed to, we know
, a cesspool right of factors intheir cosmetics and toiletries.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
What are you seeing
in your testing?
You know there's elements evenin sunscreen and stuff like that
that we we're using.
So men use maybe a little morethan you might think.
Personally, I've just gottenthis new it's kind of an
antibacterial serum just to keepthe microbiome of my skin
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healthy.
So you know, we have aninterior microbiome, which
you've explained in your booksvery well, but we have an
exterior microbiome as well.
So that's really importantrather than go through a litany
of all the things.
The less ingredients the better.
I mean I have I have there'skind of a nutty fringe of our
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group that just use beef tallowand stuff like that and I'm not
putting beef fat on my face, butpeople do that.
They use the old natural, Imean coconut oil and things that
are excipient.
They're pure.
Go to ewgorg and look throughthe skin cleansers and
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treatments that are all naturaland free of any chemicals and
you'll be better off.
And keep in mind that the skinis considered by some the
largest organ in your body.
It's a detoxifying organ ofsorts.
It's a shield and protects you,but it also we sweat and a lot
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of benefits there to keepingyour skin in good shape and
looks better too.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Well, thank you for
sharing your insights that
you've gathered over severaldecades experience.
Now, if someone's not in SanDiego, where you are, and they
want to see if this testing isworth following through on, how
would they best go about doingthat?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, go to
FDNTrainingcom slash William in
honor of you, fdntrainingcomslash William and they can see
what we do.
And we're all over the worldand there's a list of
practitioners there who I'vetrained.
If there's not one in your area, don't worry, because we work
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remotely.
The beauty of what we do is youdon't have to go in the office.
We can mail test kits to youand you put saliva urine stool
all that's done in the comfortof your own home.
But saliva urine stool allthat's done in the comfort of
your own home.
Some might require a blood draw, but some are just little
finger stick blood samples.
So again, they're easy to do athome and you can do them on
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your kids.
I've always loved working withchildren.
I've coached football for 15years youth football and I gave
that up because the parentsbecame a pain in the neck.
But something changed.
I just no more dealing withthese parents who think their
kid's a superstar.
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But you know, I raised fourkids but I didn't have one
playing on my team.
I mean, I was like the neutralguy and I was the head coach.
So I had a lot of problems tosolve.
I don't know why I went off onthat, but I just want to tell
you, kids are fun to work withand you can do this on yourself
and you can do it on your kidsand I had.
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Let me tell you a quick storybefore we go.
So I worked with a lot ofpeople and I've been doing this
a long time, but I was reallytouched 20 years ago, which also
let me know I was on the righttrack.
I was working with a mom.
She's really happy with theresults and she said Reed, do
you work with kids?
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Well, I'm raising four.
I coach football.
Yeah, I work with kids.
She says, no, I mean they'retrying to send my kid home from
school if I don't put them ondrugs.
I mean they're trying to sendmy kid home from school if I
don't put them on drugs.
So back then it was Ritalin forADD and I said well, they're
trying to send your kid home ifyou don't put them on drugs.
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Is this a doctor or a nurse?
No, it's just the teachers andprincipal of the school
diagnosing the kid and saying hehas to be on drugs or we're
going to kick him out.
And I said, well, ritalin, I go.
Do you?
Does your?
You think your kid has aritalin deficiency.
And she didn't laugh, you knowshe thought I was joking too
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much, which I was, but anywayshe got mad and said no, can you
help him or not?
And I said, said well, I don'tknow, let's run some tests.
We did the environmentalpollutant panel that I've been
mentioning.
We did food sensitivity testingand some other tests and, by
the way, she I never even metthe young man.
By the way, he was nine.
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Imagine putting nine.
Ritalin is a class two narcoticthat's the same class as
cocaine, same class.
And so I couldn't imagine thisnine-year-old in Ransom Labs.
And I'll make a long story shortand say that within three weeks
after we got the lab reportsmodified the lifestyle and
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changed this kid's life.
The principal of the school,bill, tracked me down through
the mom, said Mr Davis, I don'tknow what you're doing with
Billy, but he's a different kid.
He's paying attention, he's notbursting out loud in class,
he's not poking the other kids,he's actually paying attention
and getting good grades.
Now, in three weeks.
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And then, disappointingly, hesaid what'd you put him on?
You know I tried to explain.
Well, we put him on a betterdiet and bedtime and exercise
program and you know a lot of itwas just getting rid of the
foods and stuff and turned hislife around.
So that makes, you know, theparent happy, the kid happy, the
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principal happy and thepractitioner feels warm and
fuzzy all over because you helpsomeone and that's why we do
this right.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
That's fantastic.
So, if I understand thelogistics, if someone's, let's
say, in Erie, pennsylvania orMiami, florida, they would go to
your website.
Identify a practitioner who'sbeen trained in your methods and
they go to that practitionerwebsite identify a practitioner
who's been trained in yourmethods and they go to that
practitioner.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yes, and I think I
was saying that you can work
distance.
You don't have to go in theoffice.
Got it, we can mail you thekits.
You can work over Zoom, justlike we're talking now.
It works perfectly and savesyou money because you don't have
to pay for an office visit.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Great Reid.
Thank you very much.
I appreciate the benefit ofmany, many years of deep
experience in something that Ineed to know more about.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Fantastic.
Thank you, Reed.
Yes, sir.