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June 11, 2025 56 mins

Do herbs, botanicals, and immunotherapy work for PANS/PANDAS? In this episode of the Demystifying PANS/PANDAS Podcast, Dr. Darin Ingels joins us to unpack how herbs, botanicals, and low-dose immunotherapy can be used as effective, personalized treatments for children with PANS/PANDAS. Drawing from his personal healing journey and clinical experience, he explains how a multi-system, root-cause approach often leads to lasting improvement, especially when antibiotics fall short.

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In this episode of Demystifying PANS/PANDAS, I welcome renowned naturopath Dr. Darin Ingels for a deep dive into herbal medicine and immunotherapy for PANS and PANDAS. Drawing from his battle with Lyme and decades of clinical experience, Dr. Ingels explains why certain herbs are often more effective and better tolerated than antibiotics, especially in children. He also explains the chemistry behind herbal synergy, why plants rarely disrupt the microbiome, and how they provide multiple benefits, including immune modulation and anti-inflammatory effects.


The conversation expands to include low-dose immunotherapy (LDI), a method of retraining the immune system by introducing ultra-diluted antigens. Dr. Ingels illustrates how LDI often produces rapid symptom relief in children with PANS, even when conventional treatments fail. He also dives into the nuances of mold allergy versus mycotoxin illness, the pitfalls of standard Lyme testing, and prevention tips like permethrin-treated clothing to reduce tick exposure. The episode closes with practical guidance on using supplements, identifying immune disruptors, and empowering parents and practitioners to explore safer, holistic treatments rooted in personalized care.

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Dr. Darin Ingels is a leading expert in the natural treatment of chronic immune and neuropsychiatric disorders. A former clinical microbiologist and the author of The Lyme Solution, Dr. Ingels blends personal experience as a Lyme patient with over 25 years of clinical practice to guide families through complex, root-cause healing.

As a licensed naturopathic physician, Dr. Ingels is renowned for his use of botanical medicine, low-dose immunotherapy, and personalized treatment plans that address the whole child biologically, immunologically, and environmentally. His approach goes beyond symptom management, helping patients achieve lasting recovery through immune modulation, microbiome balance, and detoxification strategies.

Dr. Ingels has lectured extensively on tick-borne disease, environmental toxins, mold, and integrative pediatrics. His work continues to shape how clinicians understand and treat infection-triggered neuropsychiatric illness, offering practical, evidence-informed options that prioritize safety, effectiveness, and long-term wellness.

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