Carrington Valentine Saves the Packers

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I woke up 1 morning just a regular schmo.
Green Bay was restless. Spirit ran low and then it hit
me. I had to let it show.
So shout it so loud. Go, pack.
Go. Well, the fans started roaring.

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Lambeau Field shook from the very first moment.
That's all it took down the line.
If I told you I could bare the thought.
Stealing a chance, some soccer team God.
No need for a Viking to borrow aChoo.
I choose out the power of the frozen monsoon, the acid.

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Did you viral mine? But that's not my policy.
These words are mine here. Go back, go.
Go. Back.
Go. Go back.

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Go, go, back, go. That she's head spit.
Go back, go. He was hot up and loud screaming
go back, go said, you know we ain't no choir.
Go back, go. So we shouted so loud.
Go back, go, go back, go. Yeah.

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Go back. Go.
Yeah. Welcome back to Derailed.
I'm your host JJ Leahy here withmy good friend Jake Chervink.

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And you know, I had some Micah Robinson thoughts I was going to
share tonight. And then he got sniped off the
practice squad by the Titans. Who had a?
A need after trading Roger McCrea away to the Rams for a
ham sandwich. And so I don't have Michael

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Robinson thoughts anymore. So yeah, we may not need him
because it turns out that the Packers listened to our podcast
last week and they heard us say approximately 45 times play
Carrington Valentine. So Carrington Valentine last

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week had two snaps on defense and Nate Hobbs had 727473
somewhere around there. Yes, 74, I think 7476, one of
those two. And then this week it was
flip-flopped. Nate Hobbs had four snaps and
Carrington played 62 out of 63 possible defensive snaps.

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I'm happy that the switch happened, but Jake, I have a
question that maybe you can answer.
What the heck are the coaches doing?
Like these snap counts are just truly wild.
Yeah. I don't know.
I think the I think with corners, it's a little
different, right? At least in my opinion.

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It feels like, you know, you want to rotate defensive line.
They're taking more punishment every play, right?
They're taking, you know, that Ithink that into account when it
comes to like, yeah, to a long season in that regard.
And like even Mike, it was kind of talking about that after the
game of like, you know, snap counts.
I'm not liking it, but it keeps everybody fresh.
And I feel like with corner, I feel like there's a maybe a

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little less of a need to do so. But it it, it is strange that
it, it seems like they're kind of still tinkering a little bit.
And you know, I think obviously maybe without it feels like
without a plan, Well, maybe the,the, the plan is literally like,

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hey, you're going to play like afew snaps this week and a lot
next week, except Keyshawn's still going to play a bunch.
And, and I, I would imagine after this week that it should
look clear to them that Carrington needs to be on the
field pretty much the whole time.
I mean, the play against DK downthe sideline, incredible.

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I thought DK dropped it initially.
We were watching it. He was in the far.
That was in the far corner. But yeah, I mean, it it it's
it's clear as day to me. Keyshawn's still, you know, DK
beat him on the slam for the touchdown.
Keyshawn was a little bit out ofposition, out of sorts.

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Not sure that Aaron was throwingit.
I guess maybe on the first play of the game where if Rodgers
brought Roman Wilson for like 45yards.
So it does seem like Valentine should have his spot locked.
Now, I will say I think the biggest thing you notice when
Hobbes is not on the field is how the rundee looks on the

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perimeter, right? And there were plenty of times
even Valentine himself and and and Nixon for sure are, are kind
of either getting just a little too close to your defensive ends
and, and not like, you know, being a good enough force player
positional position wise to to turn runs back inside.

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It just felt like that was all over the place.
And and Pittsburgh was just pretty much just enforcing their
will on on, on these perimeter runs.
And, you know, obviously when they were, you know, when they
got all the the big guys out there, Darnell Washington's out
there, right, like that's, that's part of it for sure.
But it it did kind of seem like that suffered a little bit.

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But I mean, you know, they they built the lead.
Pittsburgh felt like for some reason, even with the lead, they
needed to pass more to start thesecond-half would be 11 of the
1st 12 were passing. So they had the right unit, I
think on the field for that at least.
So yeah, I very impressed with Valentine, but it but it is
still apparent kind of what the Rundi looks like a little bit

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when Hobbes is not out there. So that's I mean, the trade off
you you obviously would prefer guys who can cover because your
explosive playwright obviously dropped significantly from last
week, especially if you take thefirst play out of the game out
of it too. But like that's that's where
you'd rather have success, right?
And I think Valentine again, just hasn't had the snap counts

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since kind of the first couple weeks of like getting used to
being the force player again. Like, yeah, I got to turn these
runs back inside. I got to, you know, set a
stronger edge. I got to be a few yards outside
of where I am currently. So I I think that can all get
fixed. But yeah, very stark difference
when it came to the the coverageaspect of this one and and and
which I think is I think it's two teams with pretty similar

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other than not having a guy like, you know, Trey McBride,
pretty similar in terms of the receiving rooms, like not like a
truly dominant presence, but butlike a good one and some other
complimentary pieces that are all right.
So it was like a decent test, but you could see that there was
a big difference. Let me ask you this.

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Why not Nate Hobbs play in the slot play, you know, have him,
you know, just just be that thatbox DB as opposed to Javon
Bullard, not you know, I think you and I both say Bullard has
been a lot better this season than what we were expecting him
to be. It has been a a pretty decent

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player for the Packers, but NateHobbs certainly has excelled so
far in run defense. There's no question that he has
been excellent in in Rundi at atthe corner position.
So like, let's get him on the field and just not have him
covering your #1 receiver. Yeah, it certainly makes sense,

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especially I think when you lookat some of the teams you're
going to face on the stretch andin the playoffs.
Like, I think the only maybe concern would be Detroit, who's
number one often aligns there. But for the most part, yeah,
you're playing Chicago. You're playing Minnesota, right?
You're playing Philly Like it itkind of yeah.

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It would make more sense, you know, when you're trying to
match with Nickel that he would be the slot player.
And and yeah, I mean, it's it's tough to it would, it would be
tough to take a guy off the field who has as we we think has
taken an important step forward in year 2 in Bullard.
But maybe you're playing him at safety.
Maybe you trust him with the range a little bit more than

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Williams, which I think would make sense.
It's just a question of do you trust the processing speed and
the angles as much as you do with somebody like like an Evan
Williams? That's that's a that's a
decision that I think I would need more data to look at
honestly to this point. And and really focusing more on
those two playing back there, which Bullard did I think on a

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couple of occasions on Sunday night.
Didn't really wasn't really paying attention to him post
snap when that was happening. But yeah, we'd love to take a
look at that. Maybe that's something we'll
we'll peruse this week after theshow here and just see, you
know, is that feasible? Can we do that going forward?
But yeah, I mean, Hobbes playinghis his normal position would

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make sense. I think so too.
I have there. There were two other things I
wanted to talk about, one good and one bad.
Which would you like me to touchon 1st?
Either one. No, you you need to pick.
I'll tell you the the bad is thebad is not about the Packers,
actually, it's about you. OK, so which one you want to do?

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Go to bed. Good.
Let's do good then. All right, let's do the good.
So I, I was thinking about this Lucas Haversick situation and
like, you know, I, I, I think that I was not alone in feeling
that if he had been our kicker against the Steelers, there's a
nine point swing there for sure that we have two made field

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goals that that clearly were in range for a kicker who is is
not, let's just call a spade a spade lying about his health.
OK with this. That's that seems to be what it
feels like yeah like you like like McManus heard footsteps
right. He knew that Haversick was about

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to take his job and he's like, Iam going to bust my butt and get
out there. Tool over this says we need more
2 kicker sets. Honestly, that's that's I've
heard Dumber ideas proposed. Yeah, so, so I, you know, I
think this is the, you know, 9 point swing here.
And so a lot of people openly saying we should have we should

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have Haversick be the kicker next week.
And hey, I'll Co sign on that onthat plan.
I'd rather see Haversick out there next week.
Yeah, he's a lot younger than McManus.
McManus has struggled so far in the regular season.
Also, like Haversick comes with less baggage.

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All right. Like that does factor in for me
there, There were a lot of people upset about signing
McManus in the 1st place becauseof the off the field baggage.
Just because he has played well for us for a year and a quarter
does not take that off the table.
No. So now obviously it's been a

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small sample size of Haversick. And, and So what I was thinking
about this week was I, I am verymuch in favor of rostering 2
kickers for a while. That's worth it to me.
There are a lot of teams in the NFL, more than 3 for sure, who

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would go sign Haversick the the second he was available based on
what he did for us in those two games and based on their kicker
situations. You know, some of these teams
are in really dire kicking situations.
And so I was thinking like, dude, we have burned of the 53rd
roster spot on like way stupiderthings in the past than a a

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second kicker when we're a little bit unsure about the
kicking situation. And so that got me thinking
about the state of our 53 man roster.
And so I'm looking at how many guys we've played so far this
year and it's I like the situation that our roster is in.

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I think I have fewer complaints right now about the Packers 53
man roster then I have maybe in the entire Mat Lafleur era.
And like pre Mat Lafleur era like the the roster was a mess
for a couple years. There are four players who have

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not played any snaps on special teams.
Yeah. Four players on our active
roster right now who have not played any special team snaps.
Think you can get all four of them without breaking a spot,
but who have not played a special team snap?
Yeah, everybody except for thesefour guys.
Two of them should be super obvious regardless, and then two

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of them should be obvious when you think about it for a second,
like for different reasons. OK, who has not played special
team? I mean, well, Watson technically
hasn't, I think, but that I don't think that counts.
Watson is one of the guys I'm counting.
Oh, well, not does Jordan Love count?

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Jordan Love counts. Yeah.
So that so that leaves only two other individuals on the 53 man
roster who have not played any special teams snaps.
So Jordan is obvious and for a different reason.
Christian Watson is obvious. Yeah.
OK. Special teams counts for kicking
black field goal unit. I will tell you the two guys who

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have been named already, says Whelan 2 The the two guys who
have been named already. The reason that they have not
played is the same reasons as the other two guys who you
haven't named yet. Oh, like so Willis obviously
then. Willis.
Is one of them. Yep.
So who's the other Christian Watson?

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Who is the other Christian Watson?
May I say? Who's on the Who's on the roster
still? That's.
Plays offensive line. Plays offensive line.
So the Lloyd guesses are not correct.

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Yeah, Lloyd is on it because Lloyd is not technically on it.
Lloyd's on IR. I'm not counting any of the IR
guys because I said the 53 man roster so.
He can only play one offensive line position and and we're
we're not positive he can play that, but we definitely don't

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want him playing Ryan or Morgan.It's got to be one of those
Monk. It's Monk got activated.
Oh, Monks got activated. I was, I was thinking Monk, but
I wasn't, I wasn't even I was like, is he is he on it?
Yeah, no, he definitely can onlyplay 1, if that.
So so everybody else has played some special team snaps.

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Oh, no, no, sorry. There's one other guy.
There's one other guy, Micah Robinson.
Micah Parsons has not played special teams.
I forgot to mention him because he's he's the other guy.
So like, Golden has played too much special teams.
I think Dobbs has played too much special teams.
Can we take him off punt or three, please?

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So, so Dobbs and Golden, I don'twant on special teams for
different reasons. I don't think Golden sees the
field well, but he catches the ball just fine.
I think he's a little nervous back there in punt return.
And then Dobbs carries the ball like a corner who picks the ball
off and like is just having a grand old time.
Hold the ball tight, brother, high and tight.

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What are we doing? He is.
He is playing too loose with thefootball. 100% Yeah, it it, but
two different reasons for both of them.
I don't like it. I don't like it.
Drew says my camera is very laggy.
I'm sorry. The reason we started 7 minutes
late is because I was screwing around with my camera trying to
get it to stop being laggy and Ijust couldn't.
So I probably need a reboot, andI wasn't willing to keep

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delaying the stream for you guys, so my apologies.
Chris says why not bring Kansas,bring back Kansas City returner
guy. Oh, Mikko Hardman.
And I think that's what he means.
Oh, yeah. I mean, is there space?

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Mikko Hardman is currently, Google says that he's a free
agent right now. Let's see, a week ago he worked
out with the Raiders. Yeah.
I mean, I they're not going to do it, but I'm.
I'd be interested. Yeah, I'm not against.

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I'm not against Savion doing both, honestly.
Yeah, I don't. Think that would bother me?
Too much I'm I'm sure. I'm sure they're going to get
read back on it when he's back. They love doing that, which is
fair enough. But yeah, I, yeah, I know Harman

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did not have a good pre season, but I, I mean, I have no problem
with, yeah, Harman may have not had a, a good pre season, but
I'll tell you who hasn't had a good regular season at returner.
He's like basically everybody outside of Savion and like
Savion I would say has been like, fine.
One of them, one of them, one ofthem on Sunday night, he went,

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he ran sideways and then it almost looked like he was going
to turn back to the end zone. There was like a a split second
where he started to do so like it was Savion.
No, Yeah, it was before he, you know, just before he got tackled
where it's like, all right, where, where you, where you
going? So he definitely, I think widens

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that out a little bit too much at times where it's like, I know
some of that is like hopefully some things are going to set up
in front of you and you pick a lane and go.
But he does kind of string it out a little bit too much.
But other than that, like yeah, no problem.
I'm good with it. Chris says I hate Richie boy.
I need help. I'm assuming you mean Rich
Basaccia. And yes, we all hate him as

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well. So the reason I brought up the
the number of guys who has played snaps on special teams
like it's it is every single healthy starter except for your
franchise quarterback and your future Hall of Fame defense
event, every other starter has played snaps on special teams.
So like, let's dispense with theidea that the Packers, as I have

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said a bunch of times, don't care about special teams.
I keep saying that it's not true.
They have been trying stuff. Here's here are guys who have
played over 50 snaps on special teams who I would say.
In an ideal situation, you wouldnot want them playing on special
teams ever. Like have them on the hands team

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and that's it, right? So over 50 snaps, Lucas Van
Ness, Carrington Valentine, EvanWilliams, Javon Bullard, Xavier
McKinney with 74 snaps on special teams already, Carl
Brooks, Kingsley, Anna Barre. I think everybody else you'd be

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OK with being out there a bunch of snaps.
But yeah, like George Morgan is about there for 38 snaps and
he's not a starter. But like Shawn Ryan is and he's
played the same number. Rashid Walker, our starting left
tackle, those those three guys have all played the same number
of snaps on special teams. I'm assuming they are just part
of the the blocking team for field goals.

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I'm assuming that's what's goingon.
But like, like it, it, it's clearly, clearly past time to
get rid of Rich Masaccia and getsomebody out there who could do
a better job. Because like at this point,
we've emptied the kitchen cupboard of guys you're not

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allowed to put out there. Like I, I do want to know, is
Rich Masaccia in there making excuses to Matt Lafleur and
saying. Well, if you just let me play
Michael Parsons, then I could fix special teams.
I I, I truly just, I don't thinkthat Rich knows what he's doing,
as evidenced by the things he has said when reporters have
asked him questions about failures on the special teams

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and he's talking about. Well, you know, the execution on
that blocked kick was really good and it's like.
Dude, I do not know enough aboutfootball for any NFL team to
employ me. None of them would hire me if I
applied and I can very clearly see blatant mistakes in
assignments on on your field goal blocking process and you're

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going to sit here and tell me like.
Oh, dude, it just happens sometimes.
Yeah, it just happens. No, we've been watching this.
Week after week we see the weaknesses that are there ready
to be exploited, and then finally A-Team exploits it and
you go. Well, you know, can happen to
anybody. These things just happen.
Like shut up. Man, it's time for a new special

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teams coordinator, and I'm happythat right now, at this point in
the season, we're kind of back to Rich Versace is our biggest
problem. That's nice.
That's the kind of champagne problem that I I like
complaining about. Let me complain about my special
contender problems. Yeah.
All that good stuff. Absolutely.

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Yeah. Yeah, let me do that.
It's a lot better than like, hey, do we have any cornerbacks
on the roster or do we have any defensive tackles on the roster
or does our offensive line know how to run block?
So champagne problems. I'm happy to be sitting here
saying, hey, if we don't win a Super Bowl, it's probably Rich
Massage's fault. I'm happy to be back to that

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spot. It is kind of weird that that
like these things happen type ofthing is almost like when you
don't, if you like, don't prep for a hurricane and then you're
like surprised that the hurricane caused damage a little
bit and you're like, well, that does happen.
It's like, OK, cool. But there were also like
preventative measures you probably could have taken or

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evacuation methods or like like just any way to prep for.
It's just it's it's that that kind of thing is is very
hilarious. But it'd be way better if he if
if guys explained a lot of stuffin press conferences.
They think we're dumb relative to them.
We are, for sure. But it would just be more

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interesting than saying, oh, yeah, Well, you know what it's
like just 'cause you think we'redumb, like doesn't mean that you
should like, blow smoke up our butt.
Give us the technical answer. And then when we're confused,
say, well, I guess that's why they don't pay you the big bucks
to coach the NFL. How about that?
How about you give us the technical answer or something
first? Oh, wow, I don't even know what

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that means. That's crazy.
Yeah, that's why I that's why I'm employed by the Packers and
you aren't. Instead of like, like, yeah,
there's kind of only two possibilities.
Either he genuinely doesn't knowthe answer, in which case he
shouldn't be employed by the Green Bay Packers, or option

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two, he just doesn't want to throw his guys under the bus and
therefore he's lying. Is there a third option I'm not
considering? Probably not, no.
Well, I'm not happy with either one of those two options.
I think there are better optionsand and I also tend to believe
that option A is more likely than option B, in which case I

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come back to he shouldn't be employed by the Green Bay.
Packers. Yeah, the other thing too, and
you know, big debate about this,again, because of just kind of
the way the the game was going. Like, it is high time that Matt
Lafleur gives up play calling for a couple reasons.

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But the biggest reason is there's more to being a head
coach than calling plays. And I firmly believe that Matt
Lafleur needs to spend more timedoing the other head coaching
things, even though calling plays is fun and even though he
feels like, well, calling plays is like what I'm really good at.

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That's how I got this job, Kate.Well, that's not the job.
The job is be aceo be involved in all three phases.
When you have turned your attention to the defense in the
past when it's been struggling, the defense has improved every
time. I would like Matt Lafleur to be
significantly more involved in special teams operations.

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He's not really watching specialteams operations.
He's on the tablet watching whatjust happened and trying to
figure out, hey, what should I be dialing up the next time I'm
calling plays for this offense? Yeah.
Unacceptable to me from the headcoach.
The head ball coach should not just say, well, you know, I gave
Rich Masaccio the title of assistant head coach and

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therefore he can handle this. He clearly can't handle it.
Yeah, no. So hire an offensive coordinator
who you can turn over play calling to.
Yeah, I also think the play calling, even though I do think
Matt Lafleur is a good play caller, I think the play calling
could improve with a young guy with fresh ideas and just

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different experience to bring into the building, have some
different concepts, I think the play calling could improve.
And there was some pushback fromsome fans when I tweeted that.
And, you know, there was basically the excuse that was
thrown out was like, it's reallyhard to to find a coordinator

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who can handle play calling. I'm going, OK, Sean McVay and
Kyle Shanahan like they have no problem churning out good, you
know, coordinators every couple years that are getting hired off
to go be head coaches And, and, and at the very least, these

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dudes are doing a good job in their role coordinating the
offense or defense. Adam Stenovich is not getting
interviews for head coaching jobs because the perception
around the NFL is Adam Stenovichdoes not add anything at
offensive coordinator. Well, so that's the guy you want

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running your offense is the guy that other teams are like, oh, I
mean, I don't want to hire him for our head coaching vacancy
because what does he even do? Right.
No. That's true.
If you are a a winning football team, one of your big problems
could be replacing your coordinators because they are

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too talented and they get hired off to go be head coaches.
Everybody who watches the Green Bay Packers agrees that Jeff
Haffley is likely not going to be here very long because he's
going to be getting head coach NFL offers.
It is. It is a certainty that unless
something bizarre happens in between now and the end of the

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season, he will get interviewed for head coaching vacancies this
offseason. Take that to the bank.
Everybody believes that. Find me one moron who thinks
that Adam Stenovich is a hot name around the NFL for head
coaching vacancies. He can't.
He can't. He's not allowed to call plays.

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Doesn't seem to have his guys ready to play or particularly
well disciplined now. A lot of the stuff I'm
complaining about has gotten better recently, but it's also
been a consistent issue for the last, what is it, four years
now, 2220320425, Four years. It's been a consistent issue for

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the last four years. Tell me what Adam Stenovich is
bringing to the Green Bay Packers besides Donuts in the
morning. I would think other than like,
other than like offensive line probably lending a hand in that
department, right, Which is where he came up.

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Do you think where he has come up from?
We have so a really good offensive line.
I mean, what would you, what would you say that is top?
What what would really good be like if I was asking you to list

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the best offensive lines in the NFL?
How long would it take you to want to start talking about the
Packers? I'm just saying I just have a
team list up. I'm blocking.
I'm just saying it like we're all saying, hey, Seno isn't

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really the OC Matt Lafleur is the OC.
OK, so that means you have that means that you think we have two
full time offensive line coachesin Luke Buckus and Adam
Stenovich. If you think that Adam Stenovich
is the offensive coordinator, which I don't hear anybody
actually espousing that idea, then we can pin all the blame on

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Buckus. I think Green Bay's got to be in
the top quarter of the league. In terms of the offensive line,
as I'm looking through this list, I I like is, is that worth

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the trade off that you that you have an OC who's not really the
OC and in exchange you get a top8 offensive line?
Like is, is that worth the tradeoff because you're taking away
the head coach's attention from defense and special teams,

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Andrew says. We've spent a lot of draft
capital on the offensive line wehave and a lot of those high
draft picks aren't really contributing.
Like our starting tackles are a 7th rounder and a fourth
rounder. So we have Jordan Morgan, who's
not a starter. Anthony Belton's not a starter.

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Elton Jenkins is a starter at center, kind of out of position,
you know, but like he's, he's 30years old.
You would like it if you had oneother interior offensive lineman
who you felt confident in. And I don't think we'd we'd too.
Aaron Banks is highly, highly compensated.
Shawn Ryan, Shawn Ryan I I thinklike you're happy with the fact

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that your former third round pick is finally a starter on
this offensive line. That's good.
What's not good is how he is theguy who we are always trying to
replace. Every time we talk about
shuffling the offensive line, our first priority is get Shawn
Ryan off off the field. Yeah, yeah, it was another week.

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It was another week where it wassome some volatile stuff, I
think from Sean Ryan. I cred to the unit as a whole
for not giving up a sack. Obviously you know it was
pressured against a pretty ferocious defensive line.
It is, yeah. Like the the one.
Thing that that defense does really well is get after you

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with their front four. Yeah.
The one thing they do not do very well is cover your best
player. So it's like it's it's a very
anti Belichick move of like hey,this Jamar Chase guy, we're not
doubling him. He gets he will catch 16 for 161

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and a touchdown. This Tucker craft fella, we're
we're going to struggle to guardhim and he's going to have 74143
and 20. There's some Tucker craft almost
like what do we do? They're calling DEFCON one
because there's pre snap motion that defense a little bit like

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that. There is some of that and it was
evident that they're like kind of like, yeah, we're not really
going to change anything becauseyou want to motion or anything
like that. So.
Bungie, Chatterbug says. So we're complaining that the
Packers are doing the typical Packers thing with not starting
a top draft pick in their first few years.
I think obviously what you're saying is a good point for sure.

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I think again, we're having a champagne problem.
Right. That's what we're doing.
That's what this segment's goingto be called in the description
is the champagne problems almosthalfway through the season.
It's still worth talking about. And no, no, I don't say it was
what we're making is not the point we're making is not hey,
why aren't these young guys playing more?

(34:57):
It's is Adam Stenovich actually contributing anything that like,
you couldn't just go hire any guy off the street to come do
his job, right? Like, probably not anyone, but I
get what you mean of like, can an OC come in and just kind of
lend a hand in spots rather thanbe taking more charge in in the

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room and being a more of a factor?
Yes, I get what you're saying. Yeah, not for the people to
misconstrue what you're saying because I understand what you're
saying. I just want to make sure the
others others get it of like youcould, you could pluck a lot of
position coaches off the street to kind of be in the back seat
as an OC lend a hand where they can in a lot of spots online,

(35:44):
probably run game coordination. I would imagine a lot with with
Stenovich, where it's like you're not, you're not being the
primary right now. You're, you're assisting in a
lot of spots, right? You're, you're, you know, maybe
a couple suggestions here or there, blah, blah, blah.
And like, And so it's not a, he's not an engine at all is I
think what JJ is saying. And you can find a lot of guys

(36:05):
who could come in and be the OC under the Fleur is calling plays
that aren't the engine. And it's like, maybe you want to
find an engine here a little bitwho can help innovate, who can
continue to stay a step ahead and give Lafleur the option to
say, all right, offense, you take care of this.
I'm going to lend my suggestions.
I'm going to do all this. I'm I'm we're going to work
together. I'm still going to have a lot of

(36:26):
primary stuff, but you're going to be the innovator.
You're coming up with new stuff.You're going to you know, we're
going to do that. But I'm also going to help
happily help Passacha, help the special teams do all this thing
all this week. So I don't have to primarily
focus here. That's that's what JJ is getting
out of like the just like be a part of the whole operation.

(36:46):
Don't have to be, you know, you don't have to be doing
everything on the offensive sideevery week.
Even though I think, you know, Arizona game there, there are
things you can pick at stuff. I feel like with a lot of play
callers, Green Bay's certainly higher on the list than not of
second down runs after an incompletion.
Certainly they're not the highest.

(37:06):
I think they're in the top ten of that.
I think they're in the top three.
Actually, they're they're in thetop.
I just I just saw the list. They are definitely not top 3.
They were top three two weeks ago.
They may not be any. They're Yeah, they're not top
three anymore. I don't know where I saw the
list. Oh, well, let me, let me.
I saw it. I saw it.

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Propose a scenario to you if if a directional Michigan
University came calling and theyhired Stenovich to be their head
coach. Directional issues.
Yeah, you know, Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan,
southern Michigan, northern Michigan, you know, one, one of

(37:48):
those central. Yeah, fire up chips.
Exactly. Yes, Central's a direction.
All right. And I almost said CMU and then
it I realized that they just hired a new head coach.
And so that would that would seepeople get hung up on that.
So that's why I said directionalMichigan.
So directional Michigan University comes a call and and

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they hire Steno to be their headcoach.
Give me out of 100. Give me the percent chance you
think it would be possible for the Packers to downgrade an
offensive coordinator when they go to replace him out of 100?
Give me the percentage chance that they downgrade when they

(38:30):
that they when they hire somebody else 543 percent?
I don't know. So retaining him is
indefensible. If you're saying there's a 95%
chance that replacing him with somebody else would be as good

(38:51):
or better then retaining him to keep trying to win you a Super
Bowl is indefensible. Like that's, that is Chicago
Bears level math right there. Where where, where you're
looking at one of their dudes and you're like, why are you
hanging on to this guy? Well, you know, there's only a

(39:13):
95% chance that we could improveby hiring somebody else.
Yeah. Was that the bad news, by the
way? No, no, that was no the good
news. That was the good news.
The good news was the state of the roster.
Yeah. So like I was trying to pick out
like who do I think is the crappiest player on our 53 man

(39:36):
roster? And like it was tough.
Like I was trying to figure out like, let's say that we really
needed to to sign. Like, you know, somebody became
available on waivers who I really wanted.
And so we picked the guy up and we needed to cut somebody, but
we weren't going to cut either of our kickers.

(39:57):
Like who would I want to cut? And that was really hard.
Now, obviously, like there's thememe answers of Luke Musgrave,
right? But like, in terms of actual
like, yeah, let's let's move on from this dude.
It was tough to to pick somebodyout, but yeah, we can
definitely. Yeah, Drew said we did with

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this. Yeah, Yeah, I know.
Yeah. That's why we're doing the
champagne problems segment, because we don't have any real
problems anymore. And like, honestly, part of the
problem is it's been it's been 48 hours now since we won it.
And so like I've been celebrating for two straight
days. And so now I'm I'm kind of back
in that mode where like I want to, I want to talk about ball, I
want to talk about things we canimprove.

(40:42):
So that's why we're doing this. But but yeah, it was a fantastic
win. And I think that like the, the
biggest thing I would say is like there was 1 bad quarter,
like going into halftime, I'm sitting there and like, this
sucks. Like I, I'm not going to turn
the game off, but I'm also not having fun.

(41:03):
And I kind of wish the game was already over so I could go do
something more fun than watch this.
Well, and I thought it was tough.
Like imagine being there then, you know, were you at that game?
Yeah. Oh, yeah, You were at that game.
I was, yeah. I knew you were at the Cardinals
game. I didn't know you was at this
one. That's.
Crazy. I went.
Was it fun? Oh yeah, it was.

(41:24):
It was fantastic. I have not.
I mean, what do they call the stadium right now?
Like Akershire Stadium for sure.No, it's funny because you you
talk to all the Steelers fans. We sat around a bunch of,
they're a bunch of Packers stillHeinz Stadium.
Yeah. And they're like, no, no, this
is like ketchup bottle. We're not doing that.
We're not doing the Akershire nonsense.
It's kind of like, it's kind of like, you know, Willis Tower
Sears. Yeah, it is.
It's kind of like Willis Tower, Sears Tower.
Like nobody's like, oh, yeah, that's the, that's the Willis

(41:48):
Tower. It's like, no, it's not.
And so that's what everybody says to there.
They're like, no, this is a ketchup bottle, man.
I'm not doing that. But the Steelers fan, right?
And I agree it's Heinz Field. Yeah, it it's the Steelers fans
were great. They were, they were a lot of
fun. You know, it's it's he's our
quarter, he's our quarterback now.
He was your quarterback. So met up with a guy I do a lot

(42:09):
of the draft stuff with right in, in a lot of the streams and
all that and got to chill for a few hours at tailgate.
Again, they're bringing Packer fans into this tailgate.
There's this massive, they got lasagna meatballs, right?
In addition to all the regular stuff of like, this is super
massive and it's under one of the overpasses and you're like a
block and 1/2 from the stadium. But yeah, I mean Pittsburgh, if

(42:30):
I had to choose a a city to livein, it's it's it's up there.
It's it's high on the list. The I know man incline.
I agree. The city that's walkable in the
downtown is so awesome across the river where PNC and Heinz
our and all this stuff around it.
It is fantastic. Walking over there was so cool

(42:51):
across the bridge. I did it.
I I've done it before just 18 years ago to go to a Pirates
game. It it it was awesome.
It it was it was truly very incredible.
I I I got a little emotional with Rodgers running out of the
tunnel. I have video of it.
I'm sure I'm so glad I have the video.
It was just kind of like man, wow.

(43:12):
He did you bring it play on the show for us or no, what I did
not bring it to show. Well, no, actually, I could
probably do it. I agree with you about
Pittsburgh. My my wife and I've been talking
for about two years now about like hi and being ready to
explore moving somewhere else. And we were we went and started

(43:34):
visiting a lot of nearby states to try to kind of feel out some
areas. And we just happened to to go
visit Pittsburgh and we were like, honestly, this kind of
feels home homie to us. So that it was, it is super,
super gorgeous. I definitely want it.

(43:58):
I definitely want it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Folks, you're going to love this.
All right, all right. And your quarterback?

(44:30):
That's about man, that's about identical to the the view that
you and I had of that Illinois game too.
Yeah, just let it all wash over.No, the Packers fans 100% were
it was. There were, there were a couple
to our left, a few behind us andthen a bunch several rows back
of like it was like a massive square of them.

(44:51):
And yeah, I think, I think the whole house was like, yeah, man,
we're watching our guy like everybody in the building and I,
I felt like it just kind of washed over a little bit of
like, man, he's running out the tunnel.
Like that's probably the last time I'll ever see him live, run
out of a tunnel, which, you know, that's there's, there's,

(45:13):
there's a lot, there's a lot to that.
So got a lot of pictures of him and love, you know, running out
to midfield after the game. No, I can I mean I can you want
to see some cool stuff. I'll I'll I'll fight you want to
put this back on the screen, butwe we can.
This is I didn't want renegade they're playing.

(45:35):
So they do the renegade stuff right, which I thought was very
fun and and I don't know how I didn't lead with this.
Let me make sure that this is because essentially what
happened is we're in the tunnel.We've walked in, it's like 50

(45:57):
minutes before game time. We walked in there in the main
area. They got all this stuff with
their Super Bowl trophies in this kind of main hall area.
It's it's really cool. It's like kind of they put the
museum in the, the concourse like main hallway area, which is
sick. The go pack go chants were
immediate. It was we walked in there and
people are walking up to their seats.

(46:18):
They're waiting in line for the escalator of the upper levels
every 2 1/2 minutes. It's a go pack, go as loud as
possible. The Steelers fans started
fighting back. They were not winning.
So it was just like, oh, my gosh.
Like, it's just, it's going to be like that.
And I, I love that we, my dad got a bunch of texts from
everybody of like, we can hear the go pack go chance on TV.

(46:39):
Oh, yeah, it was, I'm not surprised it was loud.
It's funny that the announcers didn't talk about it at all, but
you could definitely hear them. It was, it was real loud.
And like Rodgers was talking about he had to go to assignment
count at one point at home. I saw that video and I was like,
Oh my gosh, yo, that's the stuffyou live for that stuff, man.

(47:01):
Absolutely. I mean, hey, look, you were
there. You saw when when I went to the
Illinois game and I caused, I caused a delayed game penalty
because I got all the Buckeye fans.
That's actually true, man. I really did.
Yeah. And so, yeah, Packer fans travel
freaking well. And I was I was proud of them.
Obviously this is our guy here, you know, walking off the field

(47:23):
still got the wrong number on his jersey.
But what it is weird to see him in eight.
It's really unfortunate that in a big game like this, they're
wearing those. I know, I know.
Oh gosh, man, no problem again, no problem with the yellow
helmet. I I totally fine.
You want to want to break that out?
Cool. Whatever.
I'm so out on the construction vest type of thing that you got

(47:43):
over here and the the pants are Oh God, it's it's tan pants.
We did a whole episode. I think about tan pants one time
and how we did how awful they are nuts.
But yes, the IT makes me want tobring up the the thread again of
all the the Packers tan pants uniforms and how dreadful they
are. I can always find this by going

(48:07):
to my my profile on Twitter and then searching poop helmet here.
You want the a positive We haven't talked about, but we
need to this cat. OK, talk about this fella.
All right, if this loads, pleaseload.
Don't do this. This is why you do it live
people. This is fun.

(48:27):
What the heck Come on, bro. I can see it like playing in a
little preview. It's come on top of this is the
jersey swap that Jordan got looks like a banana.
Did he actually do that jersey swap?
I thought that he's I thought that I thought that doing that.
Well, yeah, but I I thought thathe said like he wanted to do a

(48:51):
jersey swap later because that jersey was.
Bad. I don't know.
I don't. Maybe I.
It's not. It would have been way better if
it again, if it was just if Green Bay, if they were like
there's too much yellow, OK, Green Bay has to go all white.
OK, fine, whatever. No problem.
Like then Pittsburgh can wear the black and golds.
Like they can do that. Like you don't have to, you

(49:12):
know, we don't have to do that. But I mean they have obviously
they they preset the the day for.
That and all that. Here's all the the tan pants for
the Packers again. So we got This is the poop
helmet combo with the tan pants.They just never look good.
Here's tan pants with melted American cheese.

(49:35):
Here's boring tan pants. This one should die and never
come back. Like this is here's the thing.
These first two are are bad because they're just in poor
taste. This one is is like in poor
taste because it's boring. What do we do?
Like wow, you found some cool color.

(49:56):
It's not like what are we doing?Here's the thing too.
Look at box Yari because of the tan pants.
It looks like he pooped his pants.
Look at those. The grass stains don't look
good, especially the grass stains on tan pants look like
poop stains, especially when there's it's grass grass and you
have the we got more tan pants. Freaking tan pants need to die.

(50:18):
It's true. I can't believe that the
Steelers like like the Steelers ain't that uniform of Steelers
came up with was bad. But like basically they looked
at the worst of the worst the Packers have done over the
years. They're like, OK, a little bit
of this, a little bit of that, alittle bit of that one and a
little bit of that one right there.
We're just kind of merge them all together.

(50:39):
Make sure we keep the tan pants.Hope nobody gets any grass
stains because we don't want to.Look like they pooped
themselves. Yeah, I got it.
I'm starting to get let's let's start positive animated.
I I might need like a mock draftto to bring him back down, But I
do have my my negative. Do you want to hear the
negative? OK, let's do this first because
this fella, we we got a well, you got a little a couple

(51:02):
positives. Heck yeah.
I mean, come on. I mean, come on.
He's back. People got me.
Oh yeah, I believe he's here, dude.
He looks thicker, like in a goodway.
Yeah, like he was always so wiryand now he just looks like a
thing, bro. He played out of his butt.

(51:24):
I I was so thrilled. He's not, he's not, he's not.
He threw his threw a fail or somebody.
He is an alien. He is.
I got one more if you want to mute that, you can just have it
playing on repeat as long as we don't have the sound.
Is that Micah? No.
Who is that? Who it is Micah.

(51:44):
But it's it is Micah. It's really not about Micah,
though. I I panned off Micah because
this other, this guy started running around too.
Wait for it. Who else, man?
Who else serious is that? Tucker?
Yeah, of course it is. I thought at one point I thought
Tucker right here. I thought, Oh my God, is he
going to jump? But he's going to leap up there

(52:07):
for a second like truly. And I mean, obviously he did the
head butt. I saw that on the sideline dude.
He is Boy, I hope they got the replay person in like all of
that. There's there's bad crazy and
then there's just football crazyand he's just football crazy and
I love it. Side note, I still really like

(52:28):
Jordan's hair. I he needs he needs to keep
wearing it down like forever. It his hair down looks so good.
His hair up looks so terrible, he needs to stop ever putting it
up. Yeah.
So I mean incredible stuff. Christian Watson came back like
Tony Stark leaving The Cave as Iron Man.

(52:49):
It's so freaking true, man. Like he came out in this first
game back and looked like he hadn't missed a year.
Oh, for. Sure.
He looked fine. It's crazy, yeah, Tobin says.
Can we talk about how Romeo started twerking?
Everybody else broke into a fight.
Let me get the video of that because that is actually really
good, nasty work. This this thing?

(53:11):
Yeah. Go away.
Yeah, You know that It looked like.
Oh, what's a Stergo in the Assassin's Creed?
That's what it looks like that. Yes, that's true.
Stergo. Yeah.
I I'm trying to get this Romeo Dobbs twerking at the top thing.
It is good. I thought I retweeted the best,
the best thing on. And you obviously everybody else

(53:32):
heard it, right. You're watching the game talk
about 51 being the instigator onthat fight was so funny when
they actually said that out loudlike it was personal foul. 51
was the instigator of bad peopleare having a real people are
cracking up with that. It it was great honestly,
because it's like it's someone someone shouted, no, he plays

(53:55):
linebacker. He's not an instigator, which I
thought was really clever, but that that was cool.
It's like, OK, so are we going to start calling out instigators
and then DK poking Quay in the eye and Quay having a composure
to not and sclerotic just going berserk?
Yeah, I I'm very proud of a lot of the Packers of like, just

(54:17):
staying as poised as possible, but not taking any crap either.
You know, it's we we should havementioned it last week.
I don't know if we did of like, you just got to frustrate DK,
frustrate him and he'll just he'll crash out.
We definitely talked about that last week.
We did OK. Yeah, we just got to frustrate
him and he'll crash out. And he you did, you crashed out.
He crashed out. And yeah, that's tremendous

(54:42):
growth from our guy. Koi.
Yes, I grieve. I think grieve.
Put that on their social of likeSunday Night Football core and
they have this video on it. I think this was hysterical,
bro. Is he doing the key and Peele
excessive celebration or is he? I think I I think I he hit the

(55:05):
there we go. Is he doing this?
There's like a thing now where you run, you do something like
that for like 2 or 3 seconds andthen you run off like it's it
does seem like he yeah, I don't think he was doing the key and
Peele thing. It was more of the, the the
what's her? What's her name?
I can't remember She's from likeBob's Burgers, right?
She is from Bob's Burgers and I I watch Archer, but I don't

(55:26):
watch Bob's Burgers. But I like I have like some
positive vibes toward Bob's Burgers because of John
Benjamin. The vibes are awesome.
Somebody in the chat team. I love that chick's name is I
think he's doing the the excessive celebration from Key
and Peele. Are you sure?
I feel like he's twerking a little bit.
I feel like he's that's if he has actually twerked over a

(55:46):
little bit too much. It looks like it almost looks
like he's puking. He's like he's like he's got the
things up here and he's ready topump right.
And it's like Romeo was, Oh yes,this one.
Back bringing. 4 Parsons forces Rogers to escape, but he's there

(56:07):
at the end. He's a little Max back.
He at the quarterback and then he does the belt, the 30 yard
belt. He mocks the belt.
She's headed for Green Bay, tweets it and says, Rashan, get
everybody. Oh, no.
And so and then I tweeted, turnsout the belt was Packers Juju
all along, not a Rod Juju. I know, I know.

(56:29):
I'm shocked as well. Yeah, turns out.
And then somebody else said had it brilliant.
They were like, I don't get what's so interesting about
this. Somebody mocked the belt and
then the Packers won. Like that's just how it works.
Yeah, it's true. There's our there's our goats.
You're our goats. It's at center stage, baby.

(56:52):
I see love and Ghost Rogers in love right there.
Center stage before the game. Oh, I do say Roger too.
Our 2K is that TJ is that Watsonon the left and then TJ right
above him. It is Watson and TJ and I can't
see who's talking to Craft. And maybe it's the muth for

(57:14):
Tight Ends Day. That could be it could be the
youth Abbey National Titans possible it's not possible.
It's too big. It's too big.
Jake, did did you after the game?
After the game, Did you watch back NB CS broadcast of the game
or no, I didn't until I didn't until Monday.

(57:35):
Usually I I only will go back and watch NFL plus all 22 and I
don't go back and watch the broadcast for a game that I have
been to in person. But I was cracking up when NBNBC
is like happy National Tight Ends day.
Here's a graphic with three tight ends and then 2FS like

(58:00):
yeah man, sorry to break it to you.
Harold Fan is not a tight end. I do this.
OK, go off. I do this.
No, Yeah, that. It, it was, it was, it was very,
very cool out there. Steelers fans will even like 10
minutes ago, which I was like, man, do you know who this guy
from Steelers fans that surprises me?

(58:22):
It does. I'm I'm kind of like, you know
who your QB is, right? Like I've been to games where
he's done exactly what's done and like it was a 13 point game
and I'm sitting there like 13 points.
My wife is and she's like there there was the, the the final
time that the Packers scored, she's like, oh, there's the

(58:43):
dagger. Like we we won.
And I was like, it's just a possessions.
I would I would say that except I have seen Aaron Rodgers come
back from crazier deficits than this.
That is, I'm not celebrating yet.
Like I'm waiting till the clock says says zeros.
But kudos to the Packers defense.

(59:03):
You know, a lot of us get frustrated with like the bend,
don't break, prevent defense, whatever.
This was a little bit different.This was like very clearly
designed to chew up all of the clock.
I mean, it was like, like, by the time the Packers got the
ball back at the end, I wasn't even like, oh, man, I hope we

(59:24):
get the first down. It was just like, no, there's no
chance because we took so much time off the clock.
There's no chance anymore. Big, big ups to Emmanuel Wilson
also for kind of. Oh, yeah.
But that helping be a closer, that catch he had and run for
the first, it was kind of like, oh, man, OK.
Emmanuel Wilson and Malik Keith were dolls.

(59:48):
Yes. And I'm just gonna say this, the
heath, the Heath smoke route, itwas kind of like, oh, that's
Darius Slay. And and I, I heard a Pittsburgh
fan go, Oh man, it's going to bea he.
He goes, oh man, it's going to be a long night for Slay.
And boy was he right. He he nailed it because Slay

(01:00:08):
also kind of did whatever he tried to do on that Savion
touchdown, which was just like kind of like a weird push off
balance push. I don't know strange stuff, but
like. Yeah, credit to those two guys
as role players for coming up. Big, big game for Wilson,
especially on the ground like itwas, it was impressive because
Jacobs was was struggling to find places to go.

(01:00:30):
And it was nice to see a guy just kind of like Wilson was
able to hit a gear and go and that's we're going to need that.
We're going to need that. So I don't know if we're going
to get it from Arshad Lloyd anytime soon.
So, well, I'll say two things. One, there's been a lot of

(01:00:51):
people talking about Marshawn Lloyd.
And I think the reason they're doing it is because of the
rumors that have been floating on social media, mostly from our
friend Easton Butler, that the Packers are trying to get
another running back. I think that's why this is
coming up. But a lot of people are talking
about Marshawn Lloyd. Maybe it's also because
Christian Watson came back and Jacob Monk came back and

(01:01:12):
everybody's like, OK, so what's the old Colin Oliver and and
Marshawn Lloyd? I think a lot of people are what
a distracting headline has popped up on my screen breaking
truck hauling aggressive monkeysairing hepatitis C, herpes and
COVID overturns in Mississippi. Sheriff says all but one of the

(01:01:36):
animals have been destroyed. What why?
Why is there a aggressive monkeys carrying hep C, herpes
and COVID? Why was the was the golf cart
person driving the vehicle goof cart chick?

(01:01:57):
Yeah, goof chick was he driving come back to reality here
goodness. But but people keep talking
about Marshawn Lloyd and like, Iam a 100% out on the Marshawn
Lloyd. I think it's experience.
I, I I am not at all interested in talking about.
Him to play. I want to draft a running back,

(01:02:19):
OK, like I want tit No, I want tit to draft a running back.
Yeah, we did to do so they didn't do it.
I they're dumb. I I am, I am not interested in
like, hey, let's, let's hope he gets healthy and activated and
see what he can do. Like if he ever does anything
ever, I'll be pleasantly surprised and I am not planning

(01:02:41):
on it. Yeah, like there's a difference
of like, you know, heavy critique on Watson for being
injured quite a bit because he'sactually played and produced
like Lloyd literally has. I think what carried has he
carried 4 times. Well, and art art 6 critique of
him as draft prospect was the age and injury history.

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We were saying like, and and it's probably the best prospect
from like a skill set standpoint, but he's old and
he's missed a lot of time. That was our entire concern with
him. And like, it sucks to say this,
but like his NFL career is almost certainly over.
And at least in it was a bit forsure it was.

(01:03:25):
It was a draft bust. Yeah.
If he proves me wrong, if he plays some time and is good,
great, happy for him. I'm not going to hold my breath.
It's time to draft somebody new.And I want to have a, an
Emmanuel Wilson conversation. I'm going to say something.
And I this is not like just me trying to be edgy or something.

(01:03:48):
I, I, I, I believe what I'm about to say.
I don't think that Emmanuel Wilson not far enough.
Hey, Jordan Love already droppedfrom the draft.
He fell all the way to the Packers.
It was crazy. There you go Emmanuel Wilson
runs the ball better than Josh Jacobs does can Yeah.

(01:04:10):
So I was going to say Green Bay's that's it's not a crazy
take and he has looked better inthese last two weeks.
I if we talked about, you know, not, not to completely take this
in a different direction, but I,there was a segment that we got
to do and we, we might get to that in a second.
But yeah, I, I think it's, it's either they're 'cause there are

(01:04:34):
moments where Jacobs is getting those similar runs to Wilson
where they get that like quick hitting stuff and it's like, OK,
run to the strength of the formation craft.
And, and Walker often times are basically collapsing the line in
and they're creating this massive lane, usually off the

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left. And you know, Jacobs was doing
it against Dallas, right? And and you saw it a little bit
from both against the Cardinals and now you saw it again from
Wilson against Pittsburgh. So they're doing stuff that like
some of these quick hitting runsare good and and they're they're
helpful. And it's yes, with Wilson who
can hit a better gear, I think is it's very true that he is

(01:05:18):
more effective there. But yes, I think there's there's
a place for some coaching involved in this.
So with Josh Jacobs, for sure, Josh needs to be more decisive.
He needs to stop bouncing there.There was a play in this game
where he's he's running outside.He tries to bounce it inside and
gets 0 yards after he changed the direction or, you know, he

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tried to bounce outside. That's right.
He should have just continued inside.
Had he done that, he could have fallen forward for two more
yards instead. Yeah, he got 0 yards after he
decided to change directions andand when he got tackled, he
didn't fall forward, he fell sideways for for no gain.
And like, that's the kind of thing that happens at least once

(01:06:03):
per drive. At least once per drive, there's
22 yards missing because of a decision that Josh makes.
And so this is I think on the coaching for not convincing him
to stop doing that there. And and like it shows up all

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right. Like there there's a difference
between third and five and thirdand seven that that is a, a
significant problem. I would say you throw the ball
on 1st down, it's incomplete. We decide like always to run it
on 2nd down after an incompletion.
And and then there's a there's a, an opportunity for him to get
5 yards, but he wants he's, he'shome run hunting and he wants to

(01:06:49):
get the first down or at least get the 8 yards.
And so he doesn't take the five and decides instead I'm going to
bounce it and try and get the 8.And almost never does he
actually get the 8 when he starts bouncing it.
So just take the 5:00. So at least we're in 3rd and
five instead of third and seven.Yeah.
So I think at least based on what I've seen, some of this

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feels eerily similar to when Rogers was struggling.
The offense was struggling a little bit late 15 early 16,
where last year I felt like Jacobs had confidence in the
online as a group and confidencein where creases were going to
open, how the blocking was, how the picture was going to take

(01:07:32):
shape and and was decisive because that picture was taking
shape and then obviously was doing what he could, you know,
in one on ones in in spots to gain extra yardage, right?
It's like he still has that. I think the issue is, is you've
seen the struggles early on running the football, right?
And it's like, OK, we're getting2 yards, 3 yards like.
And it's it's the success rate is down.

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And so then Jacobs is now also saying, OK, I don't think this
is going to develop how we want it to.
I need to take evasive action. I need to do, I need to be
decisive, you know, bouncing it out, cutting it back, all that
stuff. And it's, and that is also
costing the run game as well. So, so you have this sort of

(01:08:16):
thing where it just feels like the, the cohesive, the sum of
its parts in the run game is just not where it was last year.
And because of that, you see that the five 6-7 people who are
involved in it, when it isn't, you know, humming and it there's

(01:08:36):
indecisiveness that that is created from some lack of
execution, then it starts to it,it starts to turn into a powder
keg of like, this is just, we'renot trusting this.
And then, you know, we're anticipating that we can't trust
this. And then that, you know, creates
more of an issue than it should be.

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And so I feel like that's all I think that's what's going on
with Jacobs. Whereas Wilson, I feel like it's
just more of like just maybe more confident in what's being
called for him in terms of the scheme that that's running.
And so I think he is more decisive in in in hitting his
spots where he needs to. Whereas Jacobs feels like he has

(01:09:17):
to carry more of the load based on how it's been going so far.
And that's where I think you're seeing a little more of these
more negative runs trying to bounce it out, all of that.
That's kind of what it looks like to me and, and what it just
felt like. So, yeah, I don't know if again,
that was, you know, bringing in Ryan this week was kind of like,
OK, well, Morgan, we've seen some struggles where he's losing

(01:09:39):
at the point of attack and the runs getting disrupted because
he's getting knocked back a yardand let's see how Ryan does.
And it didn't seem to change a whole lot.
So yeah, I I don't know. I mean, I know the solution.
The run game solution is simple.Alive Ivania, you wanna and Jake
Slaughter, the problem is every alive Ivania you wanna thing

(01:09:59):
that I brought for today. Perfect.
That's that's the thing we don'thave we we're not probably not
be able to get that, but that feels like part of what the
solution could be. And so it just, yeah, it feels
like what JJ, you've kind of been saying where it's like
Jenkins is fine at center, but he'd be just better off at guard
to to help all of this feel morecohesive and put together in

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terms of the run game. And it's just isn't quite there.
Guys have missed time. They haven't, they haven't been,
they haven't been able to have their their full unit out there
for the number of snaps that they would would want to, right.
There's some wear and tear and all that, but they've they've
they've dealt with, you know, quite a few injuries in that
department. And it's kind of kind of put

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them kind of a little bit behindothers that have had their units
all healthy running the football, right.
The Colts are great. I think a great example of the
unit has been healthy. They've been together and
they're working. And it is it is cooking right
now, whereas Green Bay just hasn't been together enough.
And then you see all of that like, OK, is this going to work?
OK, I think it might not work. I need to make, you know,

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something happen. And so that's that's kind of
what it seems like the run game is right now.
And and again, it's a long season.
We're not quite halfway through yet.
So, you know, you hope that, I mean, there's going to be a
great test in a couple weeks, right?
So we'll we'll see how that goes.
I think this this week's going to this week is it is probably a
potentially a feel good week running the football probably

(01:11:28):
saw what the bills did to the Panthers on Sunday.
So that that that could be a, a spot where you to me at least
how I'm thinking about this big picture is all right, Let's
build some confidence for the, the, the boys up front, right,
including the tight ends runningthe football and the running
backs are gaining confidence, gaining the right amount of
confidence for a massive tilt onMonday night against Philly.

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That's the hope, right is, is that you're hopefully building
that, that cohesiveness, that confidence as you start to get
into these bigger games down thestretch.
That's where I'm at, but I wannaright before we do that I I have

(01:12:11):
a a fun little segment that I wanted to bring up who's
sponsoring it. New, new segment brought to you
by redacted energy. Of course it is the I I love
this. It is the goody was right moment
of the week. OK, really, you could probably
call it the the Goody was right moment of the season so far.

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And why that is is because if ifyou remember, Goody was
interested in a certain running back, they were they were
floating around like, oh, you know, Goody might be Goody might
be interested in this in this guy, right?
The Packers might be interested in this running back.
And this running back has been aforce this season.

(01:12:58):
And again, a lot of that goes into the 11, right?
This, you know, this, this team has been very, very good, but
this guy has been outstanding this year.
Jonathan Taylor for the Indianapolis Colts, right?
That's true. 14 touchdowns in total, 12 on the ground, 2

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receiving touchdowns. He's got 850 yards already.
He's almost got 6 yards of carry, for goodness sakes.
He had like 12 yards of almost 13 yards of carry last week.
And he has now three games, fourgames where he has scored three
times, four games where he scored three times.
Crazy Goody reportedly wanted him.

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And you know, it's not hard to see why.
He's forced 35 missed tackles, per PFF.
He's on pace to have more than he did in 21, which was 66 in
his second season, which is the year he had 18111 yards and 18
touchdowns. You know, his yards after
contact per attempt is the highest it's ever been on top of

(01:14:02):
the fact that you if if you saw some screenshots from this past
week, it looked like the Todd Gurley 2017 screenshots where it
was like you could literally drive a semi truck through the
hole that the Colts are creatingright now.
And I know it was the Titans, but it's still it's still NFL
players and it's just kind of like you're kind of blown away.
And it's almost like feels like too good to be true type of
moment. Goody was interested in him and

(01:14:26):
my goodness, imagine, imagine not nothing against Jacobs.
I I still think that the run game can get better and and go
up, but this was something whereI'm like we got to talk about
this. He has been tremendous.
Guti was heavily interested in acquiring Jonathan Taylor.
So I I think a big win for a guyup in the up in the the offices

(01:14:49):
up in the press up in the box, you know, up in the suite.
So it is a is a jet black suit next to funeral Ed policy.
Yes, exactly the jet black suit.The mafia up there looks like
they were right. So there you go Little fun, fun

(01:15:12):
thing going on there. But let's get to Jade's segment
now. So here, here on the screen, you
see the spelling of Oliva Vanya,Joanna.
Yes, I do see that we've been pronouncing it wrong.
What we've been pronouncing it wrong.
Can Penn State just put the pronunciation on their site,
Man, They did. They did.

(01:15:33):
That's how I know that we have James Franklin getting fired has
has opened up a a door. So this is from their media
guide that they published for the USC game.
OK. OK.
I'm I'm putting this on screen and on top of on top of what

(01:15:58):
we're about to see. It's actually going to rabbit
rabbit hole even even further. OK boy.
So so this is the whoa pronunciation.
Oh, live of Venga Yowane Yowane,Oliva Venga Yowane according to
North State, but, and I don't know how he pronounces this, but

(01:16:24):
he does not going to go around saying hi, my name is Oliva
Venga. He says he goes by Vega, which I
don't know if it's Venga or Vegaor should be Venga.
I would think I think it's Venga.
So I think he's actually Vengo. You want Vengo you want.
I have seen it. I have seen it shortened on a

(01:16:46):
few tweets here and there. Yeah.
So like if you look at any mediaoutside of Happy Valley, it's a
live of Venga. And then everybody who's an
insider, they always put it justas Venga, Venga.
OK, so there there's my Yuana thing.

(01:17:07):
Love it. You'll want to talk about the
the bad thing that I brought. That's about you.
Sure. Lots.
First of all, it is imperative that I bring this up because we
have to correct something horrible that's going on right
now that I didn't know you were going to do on this live stream.

(01:17:30):
You may recall that I we're we're taking jinxes more
seriously on this podcast now and I have discovered that you
are jinxing some people and thisneeds to stop.
Your display name on this on this podcast at the beginning of

(01:17:52):
the year, Oh my gosh, Malik neighbors.
And then you changed it to Cam scataboo and now you change it
to Tucker craft. So get that crap off the screen.
Do not jinx Tucker craft. You jinx Malik neighbors and
then you jinx Cam scataboo. Do not jinx Tucker Craft.

(01:18:12):
You right fam. This needed to change.
You can say Luke Musgrave is your goat.
I can go say Colson Loveland is your goat.
I don't care. But it can't be Tucker Craft or
any hacker who I care about a lot.
I'm sorry to have to do this to you, but I'm pulling rank.

(01:18:33):
You cannot jinx Tucker Craft on this podcast.
More headlines. All right, We're we're good.
Argue with the wall. You know that you're guilty
here. You know you did that to Cam
Scatterboom like neighbors. Oh my.
Too old for this. What are you doing?

(01:18:53):
Mike Kawano says. Maybe it'll reverse Jinx,
Musgrave all. Right.
Too old for this. We're not going to read that out
loud. I can't read that.
That's that's we simply can't dothis.
No, look, I'm not superstitious,but I'm a little stitious here.
Kick that off. Did you delete it?

(01:19:15):
I know. Here's the problem.
I can't delete the comment without banning Tool.
Yeah, yeah. No, we're fine.
Tool. This.
It's fine. We're we just don't read it.
It's OK. We don't read.
They're they're this is the kindof stuff I'm living for.
That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.
That's. I mean, look, we need a new
whipping boy because Matt Orszekhas not screwed anything up in a

(01:19:38):
while. Yeah.
So we need we need a new whipping boy.
Before we wanted to, I changed. Again, by the way.
Oh, here I go, I take. This off the screen so we can
see what it is. Luke Musgrave is my goat tool
for this, has retracted this. He's retracted the statement.
So before we wanted to whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

(01:20:01):
Koano says keep whipping. Whoa, Nick, it's working.
You know what? He also deserves it for all the
years he's put us through of this.
So sure. OK, before we put a bow on this
Emmanuel Wilson conversation, sure, Jacobs has 3 1/2 times as
many attempts as as Wilson does.That's the truth.

(01:20:27):
Fact. Let's examine their efficiency
yards per attempt. Wilson is a full yard better
than Jacobs. 4.6 / 3.6 yards after contact per attempt.
He's about 1/2 a yard better after contact per attempt.

(01:20:51):
Where was he? There was one other set I wanted
to share. First downs.
He's outpacing Jacobs on a per attempt basis as well.
Jacobs has 27, Wilson has 8, which is significantly outpacing
him with with 3 1/2 times as many carries.

(01:21:13):
And then we have to talk about elusiveness rating, right?
It's our favorite stat on here. It is Josh Jacobs is at a 54.
That's not too good. Emmanuel Wilson 55.3, which is
better? It's better technically.
All right, So that means you know what we got to do now

(01:21:35):
there's there is a a significantargument that Josh Jacobs is a
better football player. That is true.
Emmanuel Wilson love you. You stink at pass pro also have
not been very impressive as a receiver.
So I like having Josh Jacobs outthere as the, you know, kind of

(01:21:56):
every down back, he is the better football player.
But what Emmanuel Wilson is doing when he has the ball in
his hands is working better thanwhat Josh Jacob is doing.
And my take away is I want Josh Jacobs to do more of what
Emmanuel Wilson is doing when he's got the ball in his hands.
Be decisive. Trust your line.

(01:22:18):
Hit that hole. Stop trying to do like this.
This is always true in football.Stop trying to do other people's
jobs in addition in addition to your own because you're just
going to do your job worse. You got to trust your teammates
and and let their failures be the the problem with the team.
Don't add to it by also not doing your job to the best of

(01:22:41):
your ability because you're alsotrying to do their job.
Yeah. All right, all right, so here.
So I did some stuff here on PFF.We are looking at the elusive
ratings for the some of these guys to make sure that we're
finding somebody that that I feel comfortable.
Where's my guy James Peoples? Is his elusiveness rating a

(01:23:04):
four? I bet it's a 40.
Your guy? Yeah.
We can't go it out that far. I don't think.
You know, I hate James Peoples. What's the lowest I can go?
I don't hate him. I hate watching him carry them
all. It was really funny.
It would be really funny. He was a lot higher.
Dude, I he's got to have a sub 10.

(01:23:24):
This, this tracks, unfortunately.
That's a terrible. That is something Nick
Singleton. Yeah, yeah, straight line guy,
though I've always liked Katron Allen better than oh, Chip
Tranham is still is he with Toledo now?
Click on him. Is he a is he a Toledo?
Chip with Chip Tranham is still in.
I I got to say though, I'm glad that PFF lists his name as Chip

(01:23:47):
now instead of Diamante, so I appreciate that.
Crazy He's still, I almost said it in the league.
Crazy he's still in college football because he's on his
third or fourth school and that's after spending two full
years at Ohio State, which was his second style.
How is people's like a freshman or sophomore?

(01:24:08):
He's a red shirt sophomore. Oh, so he should be on here
then. Technically, no, Whittington,
that's not great. He definitely got carries last
year for sure. He might be a true, he might be
a true sophomore. Would that count of Haynes?

(01:24:28):
Maybe it should because I put 2027 on here as well for
eligibility. Why am I drawing that love?
Oh, I'm brain farting. Justice Haynes and Jordan
Marshall, one of them plays at Bama and one of them plays or is
it one's at Michigan? Haynes is at Michigan and
Marshall, is he at Florida or Bama?

(01:24:49):
I don't know. I'm struggling because I know
all four schools, Ohio State, Kawana, Florida and Georgia,
we're all recruiting them heavily.
Kawano's right about this. He is very straight line.
He's very straight line, Yeah. I've, I've never liked Nick
Singleton compared to K Tran Allen.
K Tran Allen is is a better? Yeah.

(01:25:12):
Can you just click on Justin Marshall?
Where is he playing school? He's number 2K Marshall.
See a Bammer, Florida, He's at Colorado State.
Oh, he's not this this Justin Marshall is OK, Who am I
thinking of then? That's.
A good question. Justice Haynes, I don't know who

(01:25:33):
I'm thinking of then me either. Two guys I do know, Marcellus
Hawkins and Hollywood Smothers. Hollywood Smothers is a
fantastic. To be fair, this game was
against. How about Smothers to be a
defensive back though? Smothers defensive backer,
linebacker. Smothers had a game where he had

(01:25:53):
23 1/4 yards after contact per attempt.
The problem was it was against Campbell, which is tough.
But what is Campbell in these days?
I have no idea. He's having a pretty solid year,
4.4 yards after contact per attempt the last two seasons, so

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that's nice. And then Marcellus Hawkins,
really impressive season so far as well from Virginia Tech
Smothers was NC State if I did not say that.
So those are the guys we will probably be looking at down the
line maybe, but he's a big dude.We do need to highlight another

(01:26:37):
dude. Hawkins is 2/19 a great game.
Smaller is 195. But yes, go ahead.
Well we need to. We need to highlight another
dude who had a great game. Now his game was not very long.
It was 1 snap, but Tyron Hopper came in for one snap and had a
pass breakup preventing A2 pointconversion.

(01:27:00):
You can't do much better than that with your 1 snap on
defense. True, So I appreciate that.
Had a lot of people. I had one dude who was getting
mad at me and then he started DMING me and he was trying to tell
me how Hopper needs to be a starter on defense and and there

(01:27:25):
was somebody else talking about Hopper needs to be a starter on
defense. And I was like, I mean, I don't
know, I don't really see it. And he's like, he's like, are we
watching the same tape? And Tyler Derschel comes flying
in and he's like, what tape are you talking about?
He's played eight snaps this season.
What tape? The tape.

(01:27:48):
But I do, I just, I do just wantto say, Tyron Hopper, keep
making big plays when you're given these opportunities and
you're going to get more opportunities.
The tape. Yes, that's true.
Yeah. More opportunities for Hopper.
Yeah, I'm giving him more opportunities.
Yeah. My, my whole problem with him
has ever just been I don't like him when he see.

(01:28:10):
When I see him, that is no longer the case.
I now like him when I see him. So we can start seeing him a
little bit more. Hopper's havoc rate has to be
insanely high. Yeah.
So that's good news. That's good to see.
Kawana points out that Hopper had a tackle for loss last week.

(01:28:31):
That is true. I think he played three snaps
last week. I think it was just three and on
his third snap he did have a tackle for loss.
I thought the first two snaps hereally got blown up at the line
of scrimmage, but then that third snap he got the backfield
and got and got that tackle. For loss.
So this is fun, creating havoc and limiting big play.

(01:28:54):
So explosive play rate allowed is on the vertical axis there.
The horizontal is havoc rate. Havoc rate is percentage of
plays a defense gets a pressure tackle for loss, forced fumble,
interception or pass breakup. You can see Green Bay is, I
believe, eighth. Yeah, 8th and havoc rate this
year behind Tampa Bay, Denver, Seattle, the Rams, Detroit, the

(01:29:17):
Chargers and Houston. But Green Bay is second to
Denver in limiting big plays, and they'd probably be first if
the Arizona game did not exist. So the Broncos and Packers doing
some doing some great stuff defensively.

(01:29:38):
In terms of at least these two metrics so far, those two teams,
do they both have good offenses?I will say RJ Harvey got cooking
this past week, which we like that.
We like that Pat Bryant caught atouchdown ill.
Oh, yeah, I'm not going to finish it.

(01:29:59):
But yeah, I think I think Denver's been more inconsistent
on offense. Knicks has struggled a little
bit more in Year 2. You've seen a lot of times where
he continues to do the thing where he is not setting his feet
when he throws. And I don't know if that's like
partially Sean Payton gassing him up like he's Mahomes and
he's doing stuff that like you just shouldn't do, shouldn't be

(01:30:22):
coached to do. So there has been that level of
inconsistency. They struggled mightily against
the Giants in the first half. Obviously, great comeback,
really cool. But you do that, you do that for
3/4 in the playoffs, you're not going anywhere.
So. So there have been Green Bay has
definitely been a better offense.
Love has been a better QE. Yeah, but Bonex has had a very

(01:30:45):
volatile second season so far, which, yeah, a lot of these Q BS
Jane's been hurt, right? Panics does not look great.
McCarthy had 1/4 of good football and then crapped it
against Atlanta and has not played.
And then my guy coming out here,big year for Mr. Drake May Drake
May Jordan Love in the EPACPOE composites are crushing right

(01:31:10):
now. So Drake may doing great stuff
in New England. But yeah, Green Bay certainly
the better offense of the two between them and Denver,
interesting teams. Not surprising the teams that
are kind of near that upper right.
You know, quarter of the charts,right, Seattle Darnold's been
outstanding this year. JS Hens been incredible and

(01:31:33):
their defense when they're healthy is we're we're still
looking at the the havoc great and explosive play rate allowed.
Is that what you're going to show us?
Yeah. I'm just, I'm just saying,
'cause you asked, you asked about Denver and Green Bay's
offense, right? Because you were asked about
that. And I was.
So I was like, OK, just top right.
Who do you, you know, as a, as a, as a whole, Like who do you
see the biggest threats? The Rams, their offensive line

(01:31:56):
is probably their biggest question mark of anything right
now. When they add someone like
McCreary, right, which I don't know where he's going to end up
playing, we'll see. But Tampa Bay, when they're
healthy, they're dangerous, but they're secondary.
You know, I'm, I'm kind of surprised, yeah, they're they're
kind of more towards the middle of the pack with the explosive
plays. But they're a Havoc team and

(01:32:16):
they should be a Havoc team withTodd Bowles.
So that, that makes perfect sense that they're a Havoc team
at this point. If McCreary can be a contributor
for the Rams. I think that my only real
question about the Rams then is offensive line, which makes
them, I would think so pretty freaking scary team.
It does. And, and it kind of kind of
leaves me thinking because like,I, I still, I'm not a believer
in Seattle. I'm just not.

(01:32:37):
And it's mostly it's mostly because of Darnold, But like
they really feel like a bubble. And so they do a little bit.
So I, I, I really think that theNFC really is just four teams
and it, and they're all right there in that, in that quadrant.
It's Tampa, Detroit, the Rams and Green Bay.
Yeah, there's, there's just nobody else in the NFC who I

(01:32:59):
think is really worth talking about as a, it does as a Super
Bowl contender. Like, like who's the next even
on this chart, the next best team is is Philly.
Minnesota down here maybe, but they're lying a lot of
expensive. So Minnesota doesn't have a
quarterback. They don't have an offense, they
don't have a quarterback. Philly's your team, the other

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one on here at this junction. And and I haven't been a
believer in Philly all year. They're they're they are going
to have to get hot at the right time in order for quite the same
Rams. The Rams had them dead to rights
for 2 1/2 quarters and should have finished the job.
I imagine if they play again, I think the Rams would finish the
job. So yeah, I do think it's it's

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going to be kind of again the similar the it's going to be the
usual suspects, right? It's going to be the usual
suspects down the yeah, I think that the the last season, right,
Detroit, Tampa absolutely loves like the 49ers.
I think I think makes the conference weaker.
The absence of the 49ers or really anybody from the NFC East

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being yeah, just like the like, again, to your point, like the
Eagles are the closest, you know, Drew's talking about
Washington. But like, OK, when they get
Jayden Daniels back, that's moreof like an if, if they get
Jayden Daniels back and if he's healthy and, and I, I don't
think that that's a guarantee. And I, you know, you know, I

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love Jayden Daniels. Yeah.
I'm not betting on him coming back and making a deep push and
being the same dude that he was.Like you're I think you're
looking at year 3 for a bounce back.
And somebody pointed this out anX, somebody pointed this out on
X that like there's kind of a kind of a trend in the last
bunch of years of quarterbacks who were really good in year 1

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getting injured in year 2. Yeah.
And like, I, I don't know that Iwas getting peppered with quick
pressures last year and they just kind of sputtered a little
bit. Yeah, they still hung on because
it made the division round because their division was
putrid. And so that, you know, that
played a part. But yeah, it does seem like it
it felt like coming into this year they still had an older

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team. Washington, right?
They have one player at 21 yearsold, that's Connor Lee.
Trey Amos is a 23 year old rookie, Daniels couple.
Other of these guys are 2425 year old second season player.
Samer still is a second year guyat 25.
Like this is a old team. They have Miller Ertz Wagner,
right? All these guys above 30 like

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they, they have a, it, it feels like one of those things where
they hit a, a, a big time stridelate in the year and just kept
riding that wave until it kind of, you know, they, they kind of
got punched in the mouth a little bit by a team who was
even hotter and had a better roster.
And so to me, when I, when I came to this year, think about

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Washington, it was like, I thinkJane will still be good, but I
have questions about the overallteam.
They felt like the team that to me, at least when I put in my
predictions, was they'll sneak in as the seven, they'll get
bounced in the first round. And that team feels like a team
that can retool and bounce back in a big way in 26 rather than
I, I wouldn't put it past them to win a playoff game.

(01:36:15):
But like they made a deep Bush last year and I just, I don't
think they're, I don't think they're ready for that again,
again this year. Like, yeah, who else on their
offense do you even trust? Like, like Debo has just been
breaking terrible. He had like a ball go off as
good games yesterday for a pick.He, he had like 2 good games.

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Like the Atlanta game was good. And who'd they play the next
week? Was it the Rams who played the
Rams the week after Chargers? They played Atlanta and then the
Chargers and he was OK in those two game and like he's been
awful. The rest of the season.
Yeah, Mclaurin's finally back. He hasn't really been healthy in

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some time again ertz They're putting a lot on ertz's plate
still at 34, kind of hoping maybe Synet is going to do a
little bit more. They got him involved a little
bit last night, which was interesting, but it just, it
just feels like they're not quite like Tonsil was in and
out. He's already banged up like he
was in and out of the game last night.

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That's not a good sign either. Losing Eckler was bad for them
too, because it was they don't have a pass.
Bill has not been what people were hoping he was going to be.
He's not a well, they're they don't have a pass catching back
at all right now. They they truly don't like they
have guys who are built for the lead.
They are built for tie games in,you know, have a possession

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lead, you know, clock Turner's big bodies in the run game.
You don't have like the like, I'd say like he's built for
catch up with the guy. Yeah, that's probably the guy.
Yeah, but it just doesn't. And I I think he's actually been
their best rusher to this point in the season so far as Bill's
been extremely hot and cold. He looks like a rookie.
Yeah. Which again, he was seventh

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round rookie, right. So it's not like we we shouldn't
have. I mean, hey, you get excited
about rookies. Everybody does, right.
But it's it's seventh round rookie like it it kind of makes
sense that guys getting drafted no day one day 2 early day three
scataboo like they were producing more like they were
hey, shout out to Luke McCaffreyfor turning into something.

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Finally. I had this this pre season
commanders fans were like screaming to have him cut from
the team. Like we do not give him any
playing time and he's he's turned it on this season.
I've been impressed, very impressed.
Dershow says sorry, I'm late. Washington stinks.
Washington does. Oh, you meant the football team.

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Yeah, the football team stinks too.
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, So I yeah, I don't
know. Again, AFC wise, this is kind of
a jarring graphic for sure. Other than the Broncos.
So like it, it kind of feels like, OK, like who who's

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actually good in the NFL? It's it's the, it's the Packers,
the Rams, the Bucks, the Lions, and then like kind of the Chiefs
and Chargers. And like, I know that the
Chargers in Houston are next to each other here on defense, but
but like clearly L as offense isyeah, yeah, Vidal's been a

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revelation for them, which that was really fun to see as
somebody who drafted him and dynasties and got him off the,
you know, off when waivers kicked off.
Like they drew points out Tampa Bay does have Tampa's.
They're they've been they've been surviving a lot of they are
very I'm still 2022 Minnesota right now.
They've got I do believe that. But gosh, it's, yeah, it's hard

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to bet against them, especially if they, you know, I don't think
they're making it to the Super Bowl, but I do think that they
are going to be playing. Maybe like in the conference
championship. I I think they could they could
make it that far. I think they will they will be
playing in the division round almost certainly.

(01:40:20):
Yeah. So and the other, the other
thing that that'll be interesting to watch with them
is like, how does a Mecca continue to develop this season?
Yeah, without Evans. It's a weird combo of guys that
they have where it's like you have to play guys on the
perimeter, especially if you're not going to be in condensed

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sets the whole time. So that's, that's going to be
interesting to see. Well, like Mecca has been really
good in kind of fits and starts and it feels like he's maybe
starting to find his footing a little bit in terms of
consistency. But like he he it's not fully

(01:41:03):
turned on yet. He still would be really nice to
have as your number 2 and instead Tez Johnson's your
number 2. And so the role Godwin was
Godwin coming off major injury. Now you know Evan's collarbone.
So that's yeah, a lot being thrust on.

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Now I will say they've had a lotof different O line combinations
this year too. That's true, which has been a a
struggle for them. They're they're like they they
they just very they they do. They feel a lot like Minnesota.
They were on a list. I had AI found some list of like
I think he was either maybe DVOAof teams that started like four
or five and one and it was like Tampa Bay 98 Falcons, 2022

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Vikings, right. A lot of these teams that kind
of hit the wall in the postseason after getting a lot
of like, that's interesting close game wins early on.
So that yeah, there were a lot of those type of teams in there.
So, yeah, I don't, I don't know.I I still contend.
I do think you're right about the the offensive line kind of

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being a problem. Like they they have like Michael
Jordan, former Ohio State, you know, like had Charlie been
playing, he's been like a a practice squad journeyman for a
decade at this point and he has played significant snaps for
them and is like their fourth highest grade or third highest
graded offensive lineman this season, which is wild.

(01:42:33):
Cody Mock has not been good. Luke got a key from CMU not
playing very well for them. Graham Barton has been a
freaking disaster so far this season.
He's played over 500 snaps and like, would easily be the worst
offensive lineman for Green Bay,right?
And it's not even close. Like we'd be screaming to put

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Shawn Ryan back out there or Jordan.
That's true. So quick question, who do you
think does PFF have as the top four overall teams?
Just overall, if you had to guess, yeah, that would be the
Rams, Seahawks, Lions, and Packers.
OK, you have SO4 NFC teams before you get then #5 is the
first AFC team which is the Colts?

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Yeah, it is the Colts. Then you get Philly, Eagles,
Chiefs, Bills, and then Patriotsand Texans actually round out
the top ten. Yeah.
So no Denver in the top ten. They have the Denver at 11,
Chargers at 12-6 and two Tampa at 16th, behind the Bears,
behind the Steelers, behind the Niners.

(01:43:38):
Yeah, yeah, something to that. I I still, I just don't believe
in in the Seahawks. That's fair.
I really don't. That's fair.
There they have been a weirdly like kind of like Green Bay, a
little bit of like the running the football hasn't been what

(01:43:59):
they wanted to this point. Well, let me let me has had some
interesting games. But he also has some like
horrendous stuff rates and like lack of explosives.
And then Walker just hasn't found his footing and comfort
running it either. So like there is some of that.
How are the in the top 10 defense?

(01:44:22):
So this this is purely just PFF grades, you know, take it with a
grain of salt. Yeah, but but looking at
Seattle's offensive line, actually just looking at their
their offense, overall run blocking, three of their top
five highest graded run blockerson the team are wide receivers.

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Yeah, 64. But Green Bay is 56.
But do we think that the Packersare good at run blocking?
No, we don't. No, we don't.
So of of their pass blockers, 3 of their top five highest graded
pass blockers are two tight endsand a fullback.

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So Barner. Fuck.
Who's the other guy? I can't.
It's not Barner. It's Barner's.
Not even Robert? Nope.
Eric Saubert. Elijah Arroyo.
Our guy. Arroyo.
The guy who can't play tight. End.
That's funny. Yeah, but he's been, he's got
72.7 in pass pro now that's three, three.

(01:45:30):
He's just drilling guys and chipping.
Yeah, he's only done it three times so that that it really
doesn't count. But like, OK, let's look at
their offensive line here. I'm going to sort this by New
Jersey, but so we have Ola with Timmy has played 27 snaps for

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them at center. He has a 0 pass blocking grade.
That's sick. Jalen Sundell has played 400
snaps at center. He's got a 57 run blocking
grade, a 62 pass blocking grade.Our guy Charles Cross and
Abraham Lucas, two major draft crushes of mine, have both been
freaking studs over Sundell. We got to talk about that.

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Been playing a lot for a day three guy who he often picked in
a lot of mock drafts. It's pretty sick.
Good for him that he's gotten a lot of playing time.
Josh Jones has been good at tackle, but he only played 23
snaps and like we said, they're two tackle spots are are fine,
but then you get to the guards and this is where it's bad.

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So Gray Zabel, 53 overall grade,51 Ron run blocking grade and
Anthony Bradford 18 pass blocking grade, 61 run blocking
or 57 run blocking grade. Yeah, they're they don't have an
offensive line. They really just don't.

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Yeah. Defensively credits a Clint.
It's defensively. It's a lot of people doing a lot
of good. They're, they are mostly really
good in run defense. Their, their DBS are their

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lowest graded guys in coverage. All the guys with good coverage
grade are edge rushers. Makes sense.
So I, so I and, and, and then Emma Warry has been really good
in coverage. But other than that with
Witherspoon and Kendrick have been decent in coverage, but
they're not playing a lot. We got 143 and 120 snaps

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respectively for those two. So I think that this is this is
a team that can't get the push they need with the offensive
line and according to PFF, are very susceptible to good passing
offenses. To me, that is not a recipe for
success in the postseason. That is, you make it and get

(01:48:06):
bounced in the first round. Yeah.
So I don't respect what the Seahawks are doing right now.
And how dare you? I said all that and didn't even
mention Stam Darnold put some respect on JSN.
How dare you. What the Seahawks are doing is
feeding JSN. So you're telling me you don't

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So by that blanket statement youdo not respect JSN, which I just
can't. I can't stand for that.
I simply cannot. I don't.
I don't put the respect on JS NSname that he as himself, as an
individual player can go out andwin a Super Bowl with no help.
Nope, I don't think he can do that.

(01:48:47):
I think he can. Him and puka baby Skull out and
solo take it for themselves. Sam Darnold chucking it around.
Amen brother. Hey, you got to like those big
game hunters, Chris. Chris wants to know who's our
best lineman after Tom because because I, I think I have an

(01:49:12):
answer and I think it's a crazy answer.
So I'm going to give mine and that'll give you some more time
to think of your smart answer. My crazy answer is I'm going to
say it's Jordan Morgan at left tackle, which is not a starting
combination on our offensive line right now.
Who would you say is our best lineman after Tom?

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Boy. Yikes.
Oh man, I the prop probably Walker at this point.
If you're talking about starterslike I like that.
I like that creative answer thatit's Morgan that left tackle.

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It's probably Walker at this point.
But again, just not having a confident answer on the second
player is is why I think they need to be looking heavily in
the offseason with as we said, Imean guys who several guys who
have expiring contracts. So you know, PFF would tell you

(01:50:18):
it's Canard, which is interesting, right?
I just noticed that it's displaying everybody's names as
this handle instead of like we usually get people's actual
names on here. Like he uses Tyler Derschel, but
it says at Tyler Derschel 5644I.I noticed it earlier with too

(01:50:43):
old for this and I was just like, oh, he changed his name
again. But I'm realizing everybody's
doing that like Chris, the casual NI don't like saying your
name like that, but his handle just happens to be the same as
his normal full name is. So this is weird.
Every single person in here. This is house display.
I don't like that. Can you change that?
Are you ready for the rapid firebefore we get to?

(01:51:06):
I'm ready for the rapid fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 'cause
then maybe we'll have time for ayou know what?
Yeah. Kawano, Kwikset way back.
Wilson is our scataboo. Light just puts the pedal down.
Turns out yardage like that, Oh,how'd that get into?
Chatterbug said. If we would have traded for

(01:51:27):
Taylor, should we have been willing to trade for Parsons?
Absolutely. No questions asked.
I didn't want to trade for Taylor.
Yeah, that's fair. But yeah, trading for right back
instead of being able to sign him.
Yeah, it's a tougher sell. But if if it had happened, I

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would not have deterred me of ofthe moves that we have made
recently, like once we actually knew what the real compensation
was. All right.
And I'm phrasing it like that toto account for Micah Parsons,
because with Micah Parsons, likeI was kind of out because of of

(01:52:10):
what I felt he was worth. And then like we did the trade
and I said, like, this is a steal.
And then other GMs around the league are saying like, well,
gosh, I wish I would have had, you know, known that that was
the price for Micah Parsons, because I would have, I would
have gone above and beyond that,Right.
But like, of, of the deals we'vedone recently, like once we

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actually knew what the real compensation was, I think the
only deals that I've been out onwere Nate Hobbs and Aaron Banks.
We we, of the ones that actuallyhappened.
Yeah, that was, I liked all of them.
Like the Josh Jacobs contract that we signed into in free
agency, like basically perfect, basically perfect.
We we got Micah Parsons for likea a song compared to what he

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really should have cost. Well, I thought he was going to
cost. And the McKinney.
McKinney super underpaid. Yeah.
God, the Tom deal was impressive.
On top of it. The Tom deal was insane.
So, you know, that's bad. What was the last bad contract
we signed? Like other than Banks and
Hobbes? Like, like just remove them from
the equation. Probably.
Probably Campbell's extension. I was, I was going to go with

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Campbell. I didn't like Billy Turner's
contract. That's probably, that's was the
other one I was thinking of. I didn't like David Bach,
Thierry's contract, like the dayit was announced, I didn't like
it. But like, I, you know, I, I none
of us, including me, were reallyworried that he was going to
like, never play football again,which is basically what

(01:53:39):
happened, right. Oh, Kenny Clark, the Kenny Clark
extension was stupid. That's right.
That was the that was the last one.
That's the one. Yeah.
Yeah. Mike Kwano says the Giants
letting Love and McKinney walk in back-to-back of yours was
wild. Are they going to let are they
going to let Tibbs walk when hisis done?

(01:54:01):
Wait. Whose love?
Giants letting love, Julian love, I think.
Oh, yeah, I guess that makes sense.
I I was, I just, I read this andjust immediately assumed that it
was Aquan and McKinney because that's what everybody's talked
about. And then I realized didn't say
Saquan, it said love. Yeah, must be Julian love.

(01:54:21):
Yeah. I think Bock Terry says Bock or
Chris says Bock. Terry's third contract was
massive at a high risk age, but he like he wasn't that old and
his his injury was a freak injury.
I didn't like his contract for other reasons and I didn't hate
his contract. I just, I just thought that it

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was a lot and I thought that Kenny Clark's second to last
contract was a lot. And then I thought his final
extension that he got with us was just straight up dumb and
unnecessary because he he was hewas not on an expiring deal and
we were switching to a new scheme that he had not played in

(01:55:03):
and he had been bad or the previous two years in our
current scheme. And so I said, and I think most
people said, why don't we see him for a year in this new
scheme first and see how it works before we give him an
extension? Why are we preemptively giving
him an extension that he's earned by just being a good

(01:55:26):
dude? Well, I'm sorry, that's not how
you run a football team, right? So much for the rapid fire.
It was my fault that time, though.
You're good. Let's get back on it.
Kiwanis also says a big part of we were talking about when we
were talking about the run game.Sure is the murmurs coming out
the shotgun runs or Jacob's preference.
But the offense looks so much better from under center.

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And yes, it is so much more effective under center because
of that, that that play action presents a run threat that
defensive ends and linebackers must account for, which gives
you plays like the Drift, the drift concept.
They got to Dobbs, right. If you remember that one really
quick throw on that in breaker, a play that Love threw his first

(01:56:08):
touchdown pass or not his first,darn it, it was not his first.
I guess he had one of the Chiefsgame, but coming in for relief
of Aaron Rodgers in that Philly game in 2022 against that
exactly to Watson and Watson House calls it.
So to see that play come back, which they've gotten to it
obviously on several occasions between those two moments, but

(01:56:28):
it was cool to see it again tonight off of that play action.
So yeah, that's that's tricky because yeah, they are they are
a much better and and more effective team when they're
under center. Not that love can't do things,
you know, from drop back pass out of out of the shotgun, but
it it presents so much more of aconflict.
So yeah, I I think that's a we just got a we just got a don't

(01:56:50):
know from Tyler Derschel. OK, $5 the Tyron Hopper Mock
draft Fund. The Tyron Hopper.
I don't know what that means. OK, it popped up on my watch I'm
going to pull up on. My phone and see if it.
Just makes any more sense on bigger screen It says the Tyron

(01:57:12):
Hopper mock draft fund JJ winky face.
I understand the JJ winky face part.
You're flirting with me and I appreciate it.
The Tyron Hopper mock draft fundIs this just like like what are
we mock drafting? Are we like we he's already been
drafted. How can we draft him again?

(01:57:33):
Dirchell explain this to me. What is a Tyron drop Hopper Is
this like you're you want us to do a mock draft assuming that
hopper becomes a starter. Whatever it is you want us to
do, I am all for it. I just a little confused here,

(01:57:54):
but I appreciate the winky face that made me feel fuzzy inside
making sure the draft order is correct here.
Yeah, no, no, get going while while you pull that up and while
there's. There's another typing question
here, Bungie, Chatterbug says. Can someone explain to me why we
expect every draft prospect thathas drafted the first four

(01:58:17):
rounds to be an immediate impact?
We don't. Here's what actually is the
case. What actually is the case is we
have very strong opinions about NFL draft prospects.
And when the Packers draft a guythat we like and he doesn't make
an immediate impact, we're OK with it and we defend it and we

(01:58:37):
say, oh, give him time. He's got to develop.
Like we knew he was raw. Blah blah blah blah blah.
And when they draft a dude that we didn't want, then we're we're
like looking for reasons to point out that that he's, you
know, that it was a bad pick. I'm just being honest that
that's how it works and like it's exacerbated there.

(01:59:02):
There are two things that will exacerbate that.
One is when there is a perceivedbig need on the team and the
dude who we don't like either plays that position and we're
like desperate for some help there.
And he's not contributing like that is.
That's a recipe for for US. And when I say us, I just mean

(01:59:25):
like just the the NFL draft community and the Packers draft
community. Yeah, like that's a recipe for
for us harping on him a lot. And then the other thing is so
there's that perceived need on the team and we drafted this
dude and like the very next pickwas like our favorite player at

(01:59:46):
that position that we have a perceived need at who then is
like starting for another team. Like that's the other thing that
happens kind of frequently. So like those those are the two
things that cause us to get in the situation where we're like,
really Harper on that guy for like, come on, it's year 3 and
you're not contributing. Like this is stupid.

(02:00:06):
But also like I kind of subscribe a little bit to like,
if he bites, he'll bite as a pup.
Like you generally want to see some encouraging things.
From a young player, when he gets opportunities and like
there's there are differences between like, Oh yeah, like
those are some rookie mistakes. And like, I don't think he

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physically has what it takes. So an example would be Jacob
Monk. We've talked about a lot because
when we watch him play guard, we're saying I don't think
anything is ever going to make him into a good NFL guard.
Maybe he can work out at center,but it's frustrating that we

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traded up I think twice to go get Jacob Monk and and then like
passed on a bunch of guys who wereally wanted who play the same
position. And then we're watching him and
it's like he can kind of only succeed at center because he

(02:01:14):
physically does not have a body that will let him play NFL guard
similar to me. I can't play NFL guard.
You should not draft me to play NFL guard.
Like, I think that Jacob Monk islike almost as lost at NFL guard
as I would be. Yeah, maybe he can succeed at
center, though it's a different position and, and and he might

(02:01:37):
really be built to do that. Yeah.
Hope that answers the question. Yeah, not not much else to it.
Like I feel like, yeah, everybody, everybody goes at
their own pace. Yes, I think that with I think
it, I think it was kind of in reference to what we were
talking about with Lloyd, where it's like, you know, I, I think

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there's some grace given to to injuries when like like for
Watson, who has shown a lot of promise when he's on the field.
He took a massive step last yearright in, in a lot of important
areas of the finer details of playing the position at what
role we think he can play at, right.
And and to see him go down with the knee injury at the end and
he's dealt with some other stuffand it's like, but he has shown

(02:02:20):
the promise, right. The problem with a player like
Lloyd to this point is this is aday to pick who has really
barely carried the ball, barely been on the field because he's
dealt with so many injuries. And yes, I I goody's probably
going to hang on to him because he stays patient.
But at some point, like you see Wilson doing a lot better,
right? He's playing and he's he's
having a good season when he's getting the ball.

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And it's like, OK, kind of at some point you need to see
something. And, and there are some pups
that bite right away. And there are some pups that
like even teams will tell you that like if they're doing stuff
in training camp, immediately you kind of see like, oh, OK,
like we're full. We're wheels up immediately.

(02:03:02):
There's some guys you go in there, you say, OK, we see these
glimpses. We see that it's going to take
some time. So we'll give it time, right?
We'll, we'll put what we think the load needs to be on a player
in year 1 and year 2 and what we'll keep ramping it up.
And there are unfortunately someinstances of guys where you see
the teams have said in training camp where it's like this might

(02:03:25):
not work out on the first contract here and maybe he's
going to be better off somewhereelse down the line.
So that's it's a tricky thing because there's so many guys and
and again, as finalists, you know, you there, there are
emotions that run hot about picks and, and players you wish
you would have taken, you know, and all that stuff.

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And I think, you know, I think we were excited because he's an
explosive player and that's kindof what the running game needed.
And it's just kind of like we just haven't seen it.
And I know it's only year 2 and it's it's a it's a round three
player, but hopefully by the endof year 2, by the end of year 2,
we'll see something and he hopefully can get on the field.
But again, we haven't really hadany updates.
There's not really anything going on with it.
So, and he, he's got a bunch of injuries and he keeps coming

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back and then like can't even string together consecutive
practices before he's injured again.
Like forget playing the game, dude can't practice 2 days in a
row. And, and I think the other thing
is right is we kind of talked about it 24 years old as as a as
a draft pick, partially because of the injuries and staying

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healthy for full seasons in his collegiate career.
And it's like when you're 24 andyou're being picked and it's
like, OK, we might, maybe we don't see him this year and it's
year 3 and you're 26. And it's kind of like, OK, well,
at some point, you know, especially with guys who are,
and it's, again, that's, that's the nature of I'd be like, if
you wanted, right, you wanted tostay in college or you needed

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to. And that's understandable.
And however that worked out for the college experience, that's
totally fine. But it's you're, if you're
coming in the league at 232425, it's kind of like, OK, you're
almost coming in at like year 2 or year 3.
And it's kind of like, OK, well,you the timeline's accelerated a
little bit. And so that's, again, every
situation is different, right? I think you look at, you know, a

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really good example. I mean, these some of these
young QBs, right, with Jayden at23 coming out of college, it was
kind of like, OK, like we would like to see this more
immediately, right? And they got it.
They got it immediately where it's like, you know, with the
Caleb's and the Drakes and the JJS coming out at 21, it's like
you're going to give them a little bit more of a grace
period because they don't have the starts under their belt that

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Jayden has, right? They don't have the starts under
their belt that Bo Nix has. And and so I think that's that's
kind of the difference there a little bit with some of that and
wide receivers. Quentin Johnston clearly was not
billed to be a first round pick and, and, and put those
expectations on him immediately.And, and I don't think even with

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the, you know, he had a really strong start and all that and
he's, he's clearly seen improvements, right?
He's probably just not going to live up to that first round
billing. Doesn't mean he's not going to
be a contributor, but there is, you know, sort of expectation
and what you want to see at thatat at at this point.
And so he's clearly become a contributor, right?
But you see it from guys like Ladd, who was in early 2nd and
you know, he's coming in immediately and he's he's still

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a younger player. And it's so so a lot of the
timelines are different and it age it, it certainly plays a
part in that, right. Van Ness was super young when
Green Bay drafted him. And as somebody who didn't
really like the pick, it was kind of like, OK, well,
rationalize the pick. Then year three.
This will be a year three type of thing where it's like you're

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going to see more down the line.If you get it, then you will
immediately. And yes, do we maybe baby the
first round picks a little bit more than we do the day twos and
the day three is yeah, sure. But again, Gary was another
great situation of that where it's like it paid off to have
him ramp up in certain timelines.

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And it it certainly paid off to have Jordan sitting down right
it. And it paid off to draft a guy
like JA who came in and by game seven, game eight, that Rams
game, it was like, OK, we got it.
Like he's here. This is you kind of need a
combination of both. You need, you need dudes who are
going to develop into all pro guys and you need dudes who can

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come in and play right away and be solid contributors and, and,
and start games for you. I, I think you need a healthy
mix of both of those things. And so I do generally like the
Packers draft strategy because they're, they're taking swings
on both kinds of guys. And like, you know, you look at

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at like the number of hits they've had in like the fourth
round lately, It probably is strategy related.
It probably is. Hey, in the fourth round, we're
kind of like for some of these high floor glue guys, high floor
glue, high floor guys who do still also kind of have a

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ceiling. And, and it's, it's kind of like
it's, it's kind of like as you're going through, I think,
you know, round one, it's mostlylike just find the highest
ceiling you can and forget the floor.
Round two, it's more like, you know, look for high floor guys.
Who? Who are?

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Going to be able to contribute round 3, you know, like take
your pick of what the heck do you think the strategy is there?
Like generously, I might say that round 3 is like, let's snag
the the last remnants of the theguys who we thought were that

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round one high ceiling type guyslike generously.
Maybe that's what it is. I don't know.
Whatever it is they've been doing in round three, it's
mostly been a bad strategy. And then round 4 again, it kind
of feels a bit more like it's like, let's, let's find that
nice blend of, of guys who we think have a good ceiling, but

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also have a high floor. And so for that reason, there's
still some dudes in round four who I'm excited about because of
the Super high ceiling, who theydon't touch because of the low
floor. And, and, and I think that that
has paid off for them well in round four and, and, and, and I
like that they do that. I think it's mostly again and

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maybe they don't even have a strategy in round 3 and maybe
that's what the problem is, but it does.
It does. Sort of a strategy.
Oh gosh. I remember Portillo's man
Portillo's parking lot. All right, moving on.
Kiwano says Round 3 is the toughest because it's the line
of find the last day one contributors versus find your

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starter in your in two year types.
Yeah, there's a fine line. I will say most of their Round 3
picks I just straight up didn't like at the time, like Amari
Rogers, I didn't like that pick at the time.
You had Aman Ross sitting right there.
That's what I wanted to take. Now what?

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2023, I think was the weird yearwhere they took Musgrave in year
2. And I'm like, this is not a
Packers round two type at all. This is he is pure ceiling with
no floor. Like he's got like Watson, baby.
He was a new Titan. Christian Watson.
Yeah, Look at how tall and fast he goes, baby.

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Yeah, you're right. Tight end Christian Watson.
And I didn't like Christian Watson as a prospect.
I didn't like Luke Musgrave is aprospect and like they're
they're absolutely huge gambles and then.
For sure. One of them ends up hitting and
one of them really has not. And I'm sitting there in Round 2

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and I'm going, Tucker Kraft is right here.
He is the high floor, probably low ceiling guy, but you should
be taking in round two. And then thank God he was still
there in round three. Like, yes, please.
Honestly, if you would have justswapped those two, I was
sweating that, then that that draft just feels like your
typical Packers draft where it'slike you got your glue guy in

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round two and then you took a weird upside swing in round
three that didn't pan out. Yeah, it's true.
All right, we do it. Our half off special here.
Yeah, we're going to do it for. OK, so he paid 5 bucks so that
that gets him a A3 rounder or A5rounder.
It's about 5 rounder. Here's the deal.

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Here's what I see. OK, this is what I see right
now. 10 for 7/5 for three. So that means if it's half off,
that means 5 for six. Well, technically if we're doing
the half off, $5 gets you 7250 gets you 3.

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Well, and also it's only going to be 6 rounds anyways because
we don't have any first rounds. It is truly A6 rounder.
Unfortunately that is true. So we're going to give him the
full the full 2 through 7 roundsunless just want to trade for
the first round pick. Who can we trade for a first
round pick? She'd let's trade.

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She'd can't get a first round pick from him anymore.
We could have preseed him, maybenot first round.
We could have probably got a second.
Cleveland would do it. What will Cleveland give us?
Do they They have a second rounder.
Do you want to do it? Cleveland's got 418-3660.
I love. By the way, you didn't even have
to type this. This banner that's going across

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the oh, no, it's there. It just already existed.
Yep, it did exist already. It already existed.
We can just turn that on anytimewe want.
Yeah. I'm glad that we've saved all
these banners. It just there's this like,
there's so many of them in here.There's five different tickers,
which is great. Oh, no, there's a 6th one down
here. That's very funny that you we

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often forget about. No, no, no, Hey, hey, that's
that's not a that's a different segment.
We haven't done that yet. We haven't done that.
No, I was a segment of the next screen jump.
I was trying to press this one. Oh, you were trying to do that
one? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm not sure what happened. I moved it to the other one, but
this is what I was trying to. I moved it.
I was moving it. I had a hold of it.

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And wait a minute by the other two.
Wait a minute, Jake. I know what segment this is.
OK, what's the question? We're we're, what are we trying
to do? We're trying to find who we can
trade for first round pick. No.
Is it Wix? Presented by Redacted Energy?
Is it Wix? Is it Wix?
The answer this week unfortunately is no, it is not

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Wix. No, I think that's going to be
the answer almost every week when we ask the question is it
Wix, it's almost always going tobe.
That hurts to hear though. Chris said Cleveland would give
us a first rounder for Willis. They might actually since he
might since he Chris says that'sa good deal at Menards.

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Speaking of Chris, I was, I kepttrying to say this earlier,
Chris 42 for me. Chris DM me and he was like
something like I was sweating the entire game against
Pittsburgh. And like him saying that made me
realize that I was not emotionally invested in beating

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Aaron the way that I would have thought I was.
Because I do sweat all the way through a game against the Lions
or the 49ers because I hate those teams.
And like, I don't hate the Steelers at all.
And I don't hate Rogers either. I'm not I don't root for him now
that he's gone, but I don't hatehim.
And I think that is I'm not I'm not saying Chris hates Rogers,

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but it it made me realize because I would have just told
you if you'd just ask me like, you know, are you a most in in
beating Aaron? I've been like, oh heck yeah.
Like we we got to win this game.And then I like, I realized
like, I was annoyed watching that second quarter and I was
mad at the Packers, but I wasn'tstressed the way I am stressed

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from, you know, from, from for all 60 minutes.
If we're playing the Niners or the Lions, I am stressed for 60
minutes because I hate those teams.
Yeah. Honestly, it does kind of feel
like they thought Laporta would slip and they panicked when
Laporta and maybe Mayor and Mayor went right before they
picked. So just take Tucker Craft.
He's the dude. Yeah.

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Take Tight End 3, and which is even, he's actually better than
tight end 2 from that class. So yeah, it does.
Yeah, it was, it was a weird, weird second round where it was
like, oh, no, no, not him. He's gone.
No, he's gone. No, they're just guys were like,
it, it it felt very much like how the second round should be a
lot where it's like, Oh yeah, this guy slipped in the second
like he's probably going to be picked for sure.

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And it was like, oh, yeah, he isvery much unlike Will Johnson,
which was weird. So I've got it.
We are here. Let me can you say so.
Hey, there it is. It's quick.

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OK. Are we just we just go.
We we tried to trade sheet. Is that something we're doing?
We're trying to do that, yeah. Try and trade him because
because I want Jordan Morgan to to be our starting left tackle.
Who else needs who else needs a left tackle?
That one definitely does. Yeah.

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Oh, the Chargers need a left tackle.
Not not next April. Dang, bro, nobody wants.
No, no, no, no. This is we trade that.
We trade them today so that we have their pick in April.
Oh, I see. Nobody wants it.

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That's because he has played somewhat poorly this season.
RIP. Ma Quano says it would have been
a little rich for my blood, but man from Musgrave pick was Craft
and the Craft pick was Darnell Washington.
The floor would be in heavy formation.
Heaven. Yeah, I mean, obviously the

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dream would have been to get Laporta and and Craft both on
the same team. Also, you know, I have said a
bunch of times, I've said a bunch of times that in that
Lucas Van Ness draft class, evenone O 4 was a one.

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My head said Lucas Van Ness and my heart said JSN and JSN right
now absolutely worth working bro.
He would absolutely have been worth taking at at 12 there.
So I, I kind of wish, I definitely wish we had done
that. There was a way around this, JJ

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and turn into something. There was a way around this.
You just take puka in the Wick spot.
Yeah, but I or in the read spot or wherever I was never puka was
never on my radar. So I can't, I can't retcon that
and say they should have done that because puka wasn't on my
radar. When a dude is on my radar and
I'm banging the table for him ata certain pick, then I can

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retcon that for forever. Oh, that's fair.
OK. Juano said.
My head was screaming Gonzalez and heart was, said Lucas.
Yeah, I think. I think what?
My head was gonzo and my heart was JSN.
For sure. It was like, and as Chris as I

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thought, I thought for sure Detroit was going to pick Gonzo
in front of us. And I was like, oh, that's super
annoying. OK, now where do where do they
go from here? And it's like, well, Detroit's
always annoying. So they're probably going to
pick like it it it was like, oh,it's probably going to be LVN

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Miles bare feet Broderick, you know, someone in the like, you
know, trenches who has high upside.
And it it certainly was that Chris said, I remember think
it'd be JSN and Darnell. I thought I said Darnell.
So JSN and Darnell for and craftfor Joker and craft for Joker.

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I mean, that would have been banger of a draft class hold.
They might have converted Darnell to tackle by now if they
picked him honestly, wouldn't wouldn't be I think horrible
thing to. I think you could still do it
honestly. All right, well, none of this is
we're struggling. Let's just let's roll have to

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get like 1/4 which. It doesn't interest me all that
much. OK, Sam Levy, this is this is
former MSU stud. Shout out.
Dan Orange fluff fluff the Patriots, fluff the Eagles, bro.
Yeah, I think I don't like the third or fourth time now that
we've done this. And Dante Corleone goes right

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before our first pick, like within the first last five picks
or so. Dang it, CJ1 SEC, that's super
upsetting that Seattle picked him.
Tiernan goes to the Lions, that's also upsetting.
Really. Really.
OK, now they needed to What? What?

(02:21:00):
Why? Why is Jacksonville picking a
receiver? They're so dumb.
No. All right, come on.
Quit. Quit staring at Elijah, Serrat
and everybody else who's alreadyoff the off the board.
I got AI think I got unpinned this so we can see.

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Well, stuff. This works.
Jake Slaughter. Yeah, screw it.
Give me Jake Slaughter in the first round.
Heck, yeah. Let's do it.
It's not the first round. So that we're fine.
Well, our first pick. Yeah.
Yeah. Take Jake Slaughter.
This is the second. Heck, yeah.
Second round off interior offensive lineman Chris wants to

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take Skyler from Texas Tech and Derschel says where where the
where the our lineman projected to go.
There's Skyler, 113th, probably be 1/3 rounder if we want to

(02:22:04):
wait. Where the Iowa lineman?
Which line in real life? I'm defensive, offensive, real
life. I'm going to say I think if you
say lineman, I think you generally mean offensive line.
And then so he's talking about the D line.
I think you say he must be talking about dunker and Jones
is what he's talking about. I think dunker, yeah.

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Dunker's down. Where's too old for this?
That's your dude right there, Dunker.
It's gone. Jennings.
It's got to be Jennings. Yeah, Jennings.
I would not be. And then Jones is here on
Charles Jaguar Saw. Yeah.
As of today. Has he played?

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No, he hasn't. OK, he's been hurt.
Maybe that's good. He's been good when he has
played IOC. My my thing is Jake Slaughter
and it's just not close. Yeah, I'm good with that.
We can do that and like, I don'teven think we need to talk about
him because we've talked about him so much.
But just like, yeah, it's we haven't had the opportunity to

(02:23:11):
take him yet. So let's do it.
All right. We were all how excited would
you be? Like I I think I would have to
instantly order a slaughter jersey.
I I feel nicey, like without waiting to see again.
Kaden Green would be interestingas well.
We kind of talked about him lastweek.
I don't know. Obviously, you know Chris's guy

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here. Well, let's, yeah, let's let's
talk about Skyler some more. What?
What can we find out about him? Well, again, a little smaller
type of player, right? Not really.
Height doesn't really bother me.It's more of like his can he
play at 300 type of thing. So yeah, we talked about him
last week because this is the guy, he was at Northern

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Illinois, transferred to Texas Tech, and then he got hurt like
2 weeks ago, I think now at thispoint, 10 days ago, something
like that. And he's done for the year.
So maybe there will be a question about his health for
this upcoming draft. Also, the way Texas Tech has

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been spending lately, if he has any eligibility left, it's very
conceivable he comes back for another year.
Because if you have injury concerns and Tech is offering
you big old SEC cash to come back to school for for one more
year and you think, hey, if I can come back and stay healthy,

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I can improve my draft stock a lot because I'm a really good
player. On the other hand, look at those
grades 7383 and 88. I mean, I will say who's not
going to who's not going to takehim?
I mean I will say, I will say his pre games against power for

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traditional non Houston power four teams were his worst games.
Right. That's that's can we can you
pull him up from from the previous year?
Can we see what he did at NIU last year?
I mean, I can here hold on, I can go.
I want to see who he played lastyear.
I'll find him. I bet he, if he has any, he's a
red shirt senior. He's a red shirt senior.

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I bet he goes back to school forone more year.
I don't know what his age is. He's 65285.
He's a speedy dude for being that big here.
You go. OK, SO50 did play the Notre Dame

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game last year. Look, he had two coverage snaps
in that game, yes, do have two pressures and three stops.
He's over 10% / 10% pressure rate for an interior defensive
lineman is really good. Yes, let's see crap.

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I saw the games, but were the games like OK, they were kind of
just oh, he barely. So he really just had crappy
game against he barely crappy game against Houston and
probably got hurt in that game based on his snap counts the
next two weeks. Yeah.
OK, that's interesting. 4 pressures on 21 attempts.

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So my guy is at like 24% pressure rate in that Houston
game. That's nuts.
It's. Pretty good.
All right, Jake, we need to findsome.
We need to find some film on this guy and watch him.

(02:26:56):
I think I have some. Will you share it with me
because I think this is going tobe my early, this is going to be
my early draft crush. OK, shouldn't be a problem.
Skylar Gil Howard again, I thinkhe goes back to school another
year. Red shirt senior basically only

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has like 5 full games against like on a power for defense and
in those games he didn't really get to play against powerful
opponents. I bet he goes back to school for
one more year because Texas Techis good.
They already dropped a stack of cash on him once so they'll do

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it again. Is that a no?
Is that a no On what? On drafting him yeah, it's tough
because like I'm willing to draft him, but I also don't
think he'll be there in real life because I think he's going
back to school. So let's let's not draft him.

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OK, how's Malik Muhammad doing? Let's see.
Oh my gosh, we could could double down.
We need a guard bad could actually just double down right
here. I know he's missed the year, but
like we could just double down South Jag is jig you saw look

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that out. So he played two games last year
and they were both in the playoffs and he was basically
fantastic. I do remember that because he
got hurt in the in the and he played right guard and left
tackle. Dude.
He played two games in 23 and played two games in 24 and has

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not played in 25. That's rough.
We can't draft a guy off of fourcareer games.
Also, how would that for. For what it's worth, which is
not much, PFF says his draft eligible year is 2028.
That can't be right. I think they usually play 1

(02:29:13):
pass, yeah. What is?
Yeah. What's this?
How do you say that cow guy's name?
Where is he from? I don't know.
Spasoevic. Spasoevic.
It's like a hyphenated Polish Polynesian name.
Yeah. Pole Poly.

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I mean, and he went to Cal. He's a Cal Poly, like JKS, he's
a Cal Pole Poly. So it's like their quarterback.
Well, their backup quarterback is Devin Brown, but you didn't
know that. I did not.

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This is interesting. Yeah, We had somebody said Logan
Taylor earlier. Who was it?
No, no dershow, said Logan Jones.
That is a that is a bad first name.
Anez Cooper. Wait, who's the Boise State of
Mason Randolph? I thought it was.
I thought it was Rudolph. I'm not drafting a guy with a

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name so similar to Mason Rudolph.
That's. Fair, ain't no way those are
some gross grades. Yeah.
What Josh Thompson Look at Josh Thompson, LSU.
Sure, yeah. Tackle experience to guard JJ?

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Not bad. Yeah, I don't care so much about
that. I mean, I know the Packers do,
but like, they're the ones who love moving guys around.
I like getting guys who are really good at their jobs.
Jaden Roberts, Bama, that's a whole lot of mid for red shirt.
Red shirt senior at 22 years old.

(02:31:12):
Nice. We keep drafting Lulu and you're
not going to stop me from drafting him some more.
I mean. Josh Vaughn.
Oh, wait. Pregnon.
I don't know. Pregnon.
Red shirt, senior. so-called. According to PFM.
By the way, this is officially Draco.
Oh, my gosh. Oh, there we go.

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Yes, Draco in the building. So was it Wix?
No, it was not. No, we're gonna take.
We're gonna take. Can you get to Pregnon?
Yeah, I'm. I'm in.
I'm in. Pregnon.
Is that what we're taking? Not here.
We're gonna play the fun game that we can play.
Or you can pick them a lot later.
Corner Jermaine Matthews. Wait a minute, Jermaine

(02:31:57):
Matthews. Oh.
Stinks in run defense. That is true.
So you're a corner, not a run defender.

(02:32:17):
Oh. Man.
Well right now we have 1 corner on the roster, so Quano says
just take Baram. Hi, do you mind I'm doing a
podcast right now? Just take an edge rusher.

(02:32:38):
Just take an edge rusher from myfavorite school that I'm
supervised for three. No, get out of.
Here, Chris says. I feel like our front office
obviously can like the other OSUcornerback.
Yeah, IGB, I mean, he could do this.

(02:32:59):
We've done this before. He'll probably be a decent NFL
corner, I don't think. Yeah, Igbinosen.
Now the the problem with IGB is he's old.
So that's kind of going against the Packers mold where he
transferred to front wasn't Maryland, it was some other

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Ticario. Ticario is a big.
Guy. ACC school.
Yeah, I really like Malik. We just tell this guy to eat
Culver's bro. My vote is to tell Malik
Muhammad to eat Culver's. I don't have a problem with it.

(02:33:44):
I know Will Lee's been talked about a lot.
If if eat a little bit of Culver's, bro.
If Brian Maffy were in the chat right now, he'd be telling us
the arm lengths of every single one of these corners.
Yeah. I think Muhammad.
I think Muhammad here. You know, I love Muhammad.

(02:34:07):
Let's let's look at IGB real quick because Chris is saying he
thinks that's the pick. Yeah.
How old is he? Is he 22?
He will be 22. That's not too old.
No. I mean, he's probably going to
be good in the NFL. Yeah.

(02:34:30):
He's like, physically he's a monster.
How old is how old is Catalan atthis point at safety?
How old can you just search him?Just click off CB and just
search. Super old.
I know who he's talking about from Toledo.
Gosh, this guy, this guy's got to be like 30.

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Yeah, Oh my gosh, 24.6 He'll be 25 years, 25 when he's picked
from Mizzou 510, Two £100.25 years old guys play Arkansas.
He's a grad transfer. Arkansas, Texas, then another
school that's smaller than Missouri, I think is.

(02:35:16):
Hold on, Chris, you're going to have to sell me on this.
I don't know what I don't know what I don't know what you're.
Oh, bad. I feel so bad.
I. Shut out.
Oops, I thought I clicked to share instead.
I guess I did. Not yeah.

(02:35:41):
Arkansas, Arkansas. Arkansas.
Arkansas, Texas. ULV, Missouri.
Geez, Louise, bro. I, I'm, I'm a little more
interested in Andre Fuller for Toledo.
I think I'm completely out on catalog.

(02:36:02):
I know who. Yeah, this is who this is who
Chris is talking about. Oh, this guy, Yes, he's talking
about the Toledo guy. Emmanuel McNeil, Warren.
This is who he's talking about. I thought he meant Andre Fuller,

(02:36:24):
who's also draft eligible, maybe.
And a pretty good corner mix. This cat's insane.
Do we need a safety? Maybe not.
Do I care? Maybe.
Can we play him at corner? I do like Andre Fuller though.

(02:36:51):
Andre Fuller played two years atArkansas Pine Bluff and then
three years at Toledo. I think he's only 2262200 and 2
lbs Super annoying. Not here this year.
He has. Hey, an 83 coverage grade.

(02:37:19):
We got to do Mohammed here. Yeah, we're doing Mohammed here
in the third round. All right, let's do that.
And we can keep going with the comma.
And who we who else remember JoeRoyer last from the past?
Brian Parker from Duke. Hello.

(02:37:41):
Check out that. Check out that Tar Heels game.
Is that Elon week one? Do they play Elon?
I believe that's right. Yes.
I think that's the Elon logo. I believe that says I'm only not

(02:38:03):
being obnoxious about Rod Moore because I think his knee is
dust. Drew says Toledo did produce
Queen John Mitchell. Not only him.
A lot of people have talked about Parker kicking inside.

(02:38:33):
Brian. Parker, this could be the move.
Yeah. Kadar Holman, there you go.
That's the guy. That's not the guy.
There you go. But all right, so Brian Parker,
yeah, that NC State game, he hada 94 run blocking grade, 87.6

(02:38:56):
pass blocking grade. So he has been a starter for
three years. He's been great all three years.
In 24, his best came game came against Georgia Tech.
He also had really good games against Virginia Tech and Wake
Forest. His worst games were against

(02:39:21):
Miami and even he it really wasn't bad against that against
Miami either. 23, which is his first year as a starter.
He had a really nice game against Pitt, struggled against
North Carolina, was good againstVirginia, Wake Forest,

(02:39:44):
Louisville, NC State, now NC State.
He only came in for two snaps, but I wanted to shout it out
since he had that banger againstNC State this year and also he
played Notre Dame in 2023 in week 5 and an 83.5 pass blocking
grade. Who's this Stewart, Tyrion

(02:40:09):
Stewart. Elusiveness rating of 300.
Yeah. An option here I'm in on
drafting Brian Parker, by the way, he's 653-O5I really
wouldn't probably want to plan it guard, but maybe this is an
option for us to tackle again, We're this is but like maybe a

(02:40:30):
later pick a little bit later pick for who?
Brian Parker. I know you either pick them here
or you're not getting them. He is ranked 130.
He is the fourth player on this board.
I would probably rather have either of the two Toledo DBS we
talked about over him. What was it?

(02:40:54):
Terry on Stewart from Virginia Tech.
Oh yeah, Hollywood smutters. Hold on, I'm I'm still looking
at Terry on Stewart. Terry on Stewart, OH want to
have some fun? Tyrion Stewart, Zechariah Branch
that's. So fun.

(02:41:17):
Man, Tyrion Stewart cannot pass block to save his life.
Holy crap, does he like his receiver?
The receiving back, nothing. Doesn't add anything as a
receiver. But don't forget about our guy

(02:41:39):
here. Yeah.
I thought we were directing pregnant.
No, no, dude, take pregnant. Take pregnant 53.
We don't have to pick him now. We could.
We could take we could take McNeil Warren if we want him
real bad. I mean, I'm fine with that.
I also like Andre Fuller from Toledo.
I don't want. We cannot.
I cannot find him. So he is not pickable.

(02:42:00):
Unfortunately. That's stupid.
Super dumb. I can't say stupid anymore in my
house because my my 3 year old immediately says that's a bad
word every single time. So I can't say Terry and
Stewart. My problem with him is he's been
dynamite against Mac teams. He plays at Virginia Tech but

(02:42:23):
somehow he's played like 4 Mac teams this year. 5 Mac teams
this year and Liberty. Hold on a second.
Did Virginia Tech join the Mac and I missed that.
Here's the teams he's played this year, Ohio, Eastern
Illinois, Akron, Miami of Ohio, Buffalo, Liberty and Ball State.

(02:42:47):
So he was either Virginia Tech last year or you're looking at
24 and he's at Virginia Tech this year.
Yeah, I'm looking at 23, but those are the teams he played in
23. Yeah.
So he probably transferred up. Oh, yeah.
He was at Bowling Green for fouryears.
OK, there we go. All right.

(02:43:07):
Oh, I remember that. So he played Michigan in 2023.
I remember that game. Actually, he didn't play much in
that game. I'm not saying I remember him,
but I remember watching Bowling Green play Michigan in 25 three.
So 2025 at Virginia Tech, where he actually plays.
Yeah. He had a good game against NC
State, man, who were we just looking at a minute ago who had

(02:43:29):
a crazy good game against NC State?
Because that was for a differentteam.
It wasn't a Virginia Tech guy, was it?
Who was that? It was an offensive lineman
right here. Was it Brian Parker?
Yeah, Brian Parker. So we had Duke and Virginia Tech
each have a guy who had one crazy outlier game against NC
State this year. Now, granted, the Tar Heels

(02:43:50):
stink this year. I mean, he does have three other
games with 78 plus that are not against Elon two lanes good.
Tyrion Stewart, I don't know, man.
So he's got he has played some other teams other than the
school of Musk. Tyrion Stewart here at Virginia

(02:44:13):
Tech, he's played six games so far this season.
He has a 6.84 yards per attempt,but the bulk of those are coming
in that NC State game where he had 174 yards on 15 attempts, so
11.6 yards per attempt in that game.
The rest of the year he's had three-point, 33.44 point O and

(02:44:36):
then 6.9 twice. He has 0 touchdowns.
He's had 55 carries, 5.7, one yards per attempt after contact.
But again, bulk of that coming in that NC State game, we're at
10.2 yards after contact per attempt, 31 missed tackles

(02:45:00):
forced. Again, ten of those 31 came
against NC State. I think you have to factor out
NC State a little bit when you're trying to assess what
this dude is. Done.
Hit a 680 elusiveness rating against NC State and the rest of
the year it's been like about 120.

(02:45:23):
I beg, I don't know about, but Tyrion Stewart, may we do this
Oscar Delp? I'm in on Oscar Delp.
May we, unless we want to take like running back, I'd rather
address offensive line or cornersome more.
I think we a defensive tackle. I'm good with that.

(02:45:44):
We got I got our D tackle. We got our D tackle.
We're going to pick him. Lee Hunter.
Yeah, we don't have to do it now.
We're going to pick him though. If we were going to take a
corner, because because we do need more corners, who would we
take a second? I mean, we could take Igbinos.
And so let's I'm I'm going to pull Hunter.
Don't cost nothing. Lee Hunter.

(02:46:06):
I'm going to check out Lee Hunter real quick here, but let
let's let's just say it's probably 50 since you're not
going to take any of the offensive lineman I like in
round 3. Here, Check this.
Yeah, this is Lee. Here's Lee.
Yeah, that Oregon State game does stand out.
He still solid across the board.He he doesn't have any bad

(02:46:30):
games. The only bad mark he's got this
season is that 2 weeks ago against Arizona State, he had a
poor tackling grade. He had two missed tackles in
that game, but he didn't have 3 pressures in a sack.
Listen, he player 366 on here, I'll take that.
He's got Now. Why are you going to reach for

(02:46:53):
Lee Hunter in the third round, but you won't take my guy
pregged on him? First off, we're in the 4th.
I didn't say I'm picking Lee Hunter here.
I said I'm picking him later because he's ranked 366 so we
can pick him later. I have no problem taking Pregon
here, but we can also get him inthe next.
So Lee Hunter spent three years at UCF.
This is his first year at Texas Tech again, they dropped a big

(02:47:16):
old bag of cash on a bunch of defensive lineman this year.
Wonder why they're so good. Like they they went on and got a
bunch of guys. Those guys have all ended up
being good. Like they they just knocked it
out of the park in, in, you know, college free agency this
year. I will say as a pass rusher, he
leaves a little bit to be desired compared to that other

(02:47:39):
dude we were looking at that's from, well, the other dudes
going to be a much higher pick. So that that's fair And well,
you know, the other dudes going back to school.
I check or that too. Either way, Lee Hunter is not
going back to school. Lee Hunter is going to be in the
draft. Probs.
I mean, I'm, I'm not going to complain about it.
He's he's certainly fine 64330 probably what largely planned

(02:48:06):
three tech for us at 30. Is he 3:30?
Well, PFF thinks he's 330 sheep that that pass rush win rate.
Yeah at 3:30 he's primarily a run stopper.
He's doesn't add much as a pass rusher.
I mean, I'll take that win rate at 3:30.

(02:48:30):
It's not, it's not 10%. It's it's sub 10%.
It's like 8%. So they're just doing poor math
here then. Yeah, he's got 15 pressures on
182 pass rush attempts. That's not that's not 10%.
That is not ten. I don't know how they're getting
that. He has a 14% missed tackle rate

(02:48:55):
this year, but all of those havecome in the last two games
against Arizona State and Oklahoma State.
OK who we picking at this spot though?
I, I guess we're taking IGB because I, I'd be OK with taking
the Duke guy. I'd rather take pregnant.
Well, we're going to take Chris says I haven't liked this

(02:49:17):
cornerback class. Maybe we got a free agency or
free agent during the offseason,though.
Now we take him, Chris said we need more corners.
Says who? Yours truly.
Says who? We have one corner named
Carrington Valentine. Can we get a second corner on
the West? All right, Pregnant.
Yeah. There we go.
This is a banger of a draft class.
Oh, we just missed out on Nick Harbour.

(02:49:39):
What now? Now.
Now here's something that I would be interested in doing as
well. I'm going to be honest, I've
watched 0 Duke games this year. I'm not planning on watching any
Duke games this year, so I'm notgoing to know much about I'm in
backup QB. I'm in If Willis is indeed gone.

(02:50:03):
Super in Hoover stinks against pressure again.
I I just don't think that Pavia dog look at this.
This is nuts. By the way, this is truly nuts.

(02:50:25):
I'm so glad they'd be stinking Mizzou.
And then I'm I'm so mad because the the AP is like didn't
penalize Mizzou in the slightest.
Fools in the Vandy. No, it's an SEC Rd. game.
But hey, I've been, I've been celebrating Brian Kelly getting
fired though. I just want to know, we all need

(02:50:47):
to know what accent is he going to trot out at the press
conference for his next school when he gets hired by Michigan
State? What accent is he going to pull
out? Chris says we have K9 according
to most lol. The lol is what saves that.

(02:51:10):
That comment actually the according to most.
As well. We have K9 according to K9,
which by the way, what is he called K9 because he doesn't
wear #9 like I understand the K9pawn, but like, the only tie to
his name at all is the letter K.Am I missing something?

(02:51:36):
I if you're missing it, I'm missing it.
Kevin Maccabees forgot about that guy.
Oh yeah, I would just like the simply On name.
Cash Jones seems like a good move.
Yeah, Squirrel. Squirrel.

(02:51:59):
Chris said it's because he's just a dog.
No, he should have gone to Georgia then.
Skylar Belt. That is Skylar.
I will say I am undefeated at predicting whether a person with
a specific name is going to be good or not.
You can't be named Skylar Bell and then succeed in the NFL.
That is not an NFL. Wait, wait, wait.

(02:52:21):
So. So hold on.
So we hold on. Hold on.
Hold. Jake Slaughter is going to be a
stud. OK.
Based on name. So.
So this. So this is a no then.
So we're out here. No, the Gil Howard, the
hyphenated SGHSGH is good. We're good on that.
Yeah, SGH is good. Skylar Bell Skylar Bell Same

(02:52:42):
initials as Super Bowl. You don't like it?
No. No, Skylar Bell is not.
Going to be a success. Fast Varian Brown Knock off
Baron Browning. Speed.
I am speed. Mike Tomczak.
Great name. Mike.
Draft Mensa. Stud one.
Draft Mensa. Do I want to draft Mensa?

(02:53:04):
No, I don't want to draft Mensa.I haven't watched him.
I don't know anything about him.Yeah, at this point in the
calendar year, I am not watchingDuke football.
Have you watched Pregnant? I have watched.
I have watched 3 Oregon games this year.
But have you watched Pregnant? No, I haven't sat down with.

(02:53:24):
All right, cool. We're picking that legal pad.
Whatever finance. What other position would you
like to go? We're picking Lee Hunter last.
I'd like another cornerback. I'd like a I'd like a running
back. I'd like a guard.
We got OK, we got guard, we got center.
We have a guard, we have a center.

(02:53:47):
I just don't feel like we need aquarterback because I don't
think Elite Willis is leaving. I Fletcher, it is Mark Fletcher,
decommitted from Ohio State and flipped to Miami and he's dead
to me. All right?
That's not a reason. That's not a reason to not draft

(02:54:07):
him 1641. This is 43.
This is I think we're picking the Miami guy 2O2, please carry
it 24 times here. Slow down.
Pick the guy who spurned. I think, I think it's clear.

(02:54:30):
Let's let's look at let's look at at Mark Fletcher again.
I'm I'm going to pull him up in here.
We're picking the guy who spurned Ohio State or picking
the Duke Quarterback Mark Fletcher has 5.1 yards per
attempt. There is a 2.3 game mixed in

(02:54:52):
there. That is the Louisville game that
Miami lost. His elusiveness rating is 105.
He has 3.4 yards per yards aftercontact per attempt.
As a receiver. He adds nothing.

(02:55:18):
Well, we got guy block. He doesn't add much as a blocker
either. OK.
I'm, I'm not in love, man. I don't know.
I think maybe we missed all the good, good running backs.

(02:55:39):
Go ahead and take take your guy.You, you can have your guy.
You can have Mensa. It's the sixth round.
We can take your quarterback. They think Kelly McManus is
right there. Oh, yeah, Lee Hunter.
I found Lee Hunter in the seventh round.
This is a pretty good draft. It's a pretty good draft.
I, you know, I think the first, I think rounds 2 through 5 are
and then after that we got a well that means it stinks.

(02:56:05):
We got a, a, then an. AI really like those first four
picks and like people are going to be cranky about IGB with all
the how handsy he is. Yeah.
And, and that's why whatever thesecond was going to convince
themselves that that he can be coached out of it.

(02:56:26):
But you're right. That's why he's going to go in
the fourth round. That's why he's the second guy
we picked at corner. Yeah, I like it.
O line sprinkling, D line corner.
If we get 2 starters out of JakeSlaughter and Pregnant, I'm
feeling pretty good about that. We're cooking.
Shall be the Lion fans are goingto talk about what happened

(02:56:50):
here. Shall we Heater Woods Those are
the number one overall that's a deserve it and that will happen.
Ruben Bain at #3 that is too low.
He should be #2 Dante Jets aren't going to pick him is not
going to The Jets. Dante Jets are picking AQBI like

(02:57:14):
but I think I think Dante Moore went back to school.
So who would you think The Jets will pick?
It will not be Bain. Well, OK, hold on a second
though. If he is getting number two
overall grades from NFL teams, he's not going back to school.
So so I should couch that Arvel Reese #10 overall to the

(02:57:34):
Bengals, that sounds almost exactly right, except that that
that's not the Cleveland Browns.And I'm not saying I think he's
going to go #4 but I do think he's somehow going to end up
Downs won't go this high. I think that the Browns somehow
end up picking like 7th or 8th. And that's where they take

(02:57:58):
Arvel. Maybe 8th.
We'll say he goes eight. I think the Browns taking Arvel
makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I think it's going to
happen. Makai Lemon going ahead of
Carnell Tate. Get out of town.
No comment Simpson, no comment. I'll leave the I'll leave the JJ

(02:58:21):
there. It's too early.
It's too early. Yowana going was that 29th
overall. What a great spot for Yowana.
Yowana. I guess Yowana KC conception to
the Seahawks. I don't know that that's a need
per SE. It's not.
It's also that's also 4 rounds too high.

(02:58:42):
Your draft have power Turner at 26.
There's a lot of wide receivers here.
We got one the box. Oh my gosh, yes, absolutely.
Tampa Bay. That's what I was thinking.
Tampa Bay, it's what you need. Gosh, that's what I was
thinking. That's crazy, brother.

(02:59:03):
Also, no. What Jeremiah loves What what?
Why are the Why would the Ravens, of all teams, take a
running back in the first round?Not doing that.
If they're picking this high, they're going to get, they make
it downs. What would what would we have
taken if we didn't get Parsons? Well, we'd be picking at 32.

(02:59:23):
So probably we're in that spot where you'd be thinking about
Dunker. We're not taking any of the guys
listed here because none of themwill be there.
They can't take when we're picking at 32.
You can't take the guy at 29. Oh, oh, OK.
So I'm going to say it's it's oh, shoot, the guy that I said

(02:59:46):
always gets taken right before we're on the clock.
And he was taking one pick aheadof us this time.
Who was it? Corleone.
Corleone. Yeah.
Yeah. There you go.
That's the pick. I'm I'm running it again just to
see, except I don't think we're taking a guy from Cincinnati in
the first round. That is not Goody's MO.

(03:00:08):
He's not taking a defensive defensive lineman from
Cincinnati in in round one. That's just not him.
And sewer du lane I'm trading that feels.
Back to Dallas, that feels. Right.
You're. Trading him back to just so I
could just so I could have the pick of 32 to see what we're
doing here. Oh, look at this.

(03:00:32):
I just realized, look at this onthis thing.
They have us losing the Super Bowl to the Colts.
Well, that's just that's. This is no, I adjusted this.
This is what Tank a Thon would be right now based on because of
the standings. Because of the standings, yes,
this is how Tank a Thon is rightat this.
This. It's crazy that the that the

(03:00:53):
Eagles are are right there #3 that's wild.
Kaden McDonald, did he get picked here?
No, wait. Ohio State defense attack Kaden
McDonald's. Yeah.
He didn't get picked, right? He's supposed to be a first
round talent. I mean, I like him.

(03:01:13):
I didn't think he was. I don't think he was being
talked about like that. He's at 36.
I don't think he's being talked about like that by anybody.
I mean, he's on the he's on the no name defense.
Lomu, Utah Other tackle, maybe. Maybe Lomu, I think.

(03:01:38):
We're going. Who doesn't go?
They take low, low. They think.
We'd be going defense. I think we're going to take a
quarter a corner in our in the in the first round.
Wait, who's if we have a first round back?
Available. Ty Simpson feels like a Jets
FOMO thing. Yeah, Yeah, it does.

(03:01:59):
And it's Bama too. OK, then I would say Abney or
Chris Johnson would be my guesses then.
OK, I'll, I'll go Abney. In that case, I think Abney
makes sense. Chris Johnson, maybe D'Angelo
Ponds is such a dog. But he's 59170.

(03:02:24):
Jake, I have bad news. Yeah.
What's that? I I I just got paged.
It's it's time to call it. Well, yeah, I was.
I was. I'm out of time.
But you know who's not out of time?
Carrington Valentine. His time is just beginning.
True. As is at policies.

(03:02:45):
Thank you, Tyler Dirchell for sponsoring the Superfund mock
draft. Thank you.
If your name's not Tyler Dirchell and you're just
somebody else for being here with us.
Chatting, Packers, chatting, ball chatting, NFL draft.
It's just sticking fun. Yes, next week, Jake, we're
going to have to do or. How are we're going to have to
do? Or our top 25 or at least top 12

(03:03:10):
college football teams, because next Tuesday before we go live,
we're gonna have the first committee rankings of year.
Don't miss that. We're all gonna be celebrating
this Carolina Panthers win because, look, we're gonna.
Oh, my gosh. We talk about the Panthers.
Yeah. Why talk about the Panthers?
12 1/2 is the line. I think Carolina backdoors.

(03:03:34):
You should watch this game if you want to be mad at the
Packers for playing down to the competition.
That's the only reason to watch this game.
OK, long and short of it, the Panthers stink.
And so the Packers aren't going to get up for it.
And so they're going to play kind of a clunker against a
crappy opponent, and then they're going to blow the doors
off of Philly, OK? It's just how it's going to be.

(03:03:55):
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This has been brought to you by Redacted and Ed Policy.
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