July 23, 2025 • 30 mins
Celebrating 100 episodes!
In this milestone episode of Desire as Medicine, we pause to reflect on the extraordinary journey we’ve taken together. What began as tentative conversations has blossomed into a bold exploration of desire, self-love, and transformation, for us, and for you.
Over the past hundred episodes, we've charted a path for women (and the people who love them) to live more authentically. Series like Self-Love, Sisterhood, and Freedom have deepened our understanding that desire is not just a feeling, it's a practice.
We’ve been deeply moved by your stories. From the woman who stopped straightening her hair to lean into her natural beauty, to the man who felt seen in a world that rarely allows men to express emotion, your feedback affirms the ripple effect of desire-led living.
This podcast has stretched us professionally too. It’s been a path to greater visibility, consistency, and creative expression. And it’s shown us that when you follow desire, everyone around you benefits.
Looking ahead, we’re expanding into video and exploring new frontiers, new topics related to desire. But at our core, one truth remains: desire is medicine, and we will continue to relate to it as medicine. We’re so grateful to walk this path with you.
Want to celebrate with us? Leave a review on Apple Podcasts and let us know how this journey has shaped yours.
Episode Highlights:
- The Self-Love Series (starting at episode 35) shifted our perspective: self-love is built through everyday, consistent actions
- How showing up to your desires and projects consistently grows you as creatives and professionals
- Listener stories reflect profound transformation, shifting relationships to self, body, and emotions
- Men are embracing emotional expression through this work
- Our practical advice is landing, whether it’s keeping phones out of bedrooms or embracing who you are
- Our core message: When you follow your desire, it uplifts everyone around you
We'd love to hear from you! Please leave a review on Apple Podcasts and let us know how this show has impacted you.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to Desire is Medicine.
We are two very different womenliving a life led by desire,
inviting you into our world.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm Brenda.
I'm a devoted practitioner tobeing my fully expressed true
self in my daily life.
Motherhood relationships and mybusiness Desire has taken me on
quite a ride and every day Ipractice listening to and
following the voice within.
I'm a middle school teacherturned coach and guide of the
feminine.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
And I'm Catherine, devoted to living my life as the
truest and hopefully thehighest version of me.
I don't have children, I'venever been married.
I've spent equal parts of mylife in corporate as in some
down and low shady spaces.
I was the epitome of tired andwired and my path led me to
explore desire.
I'm a coach, guide, energyworker and a forever student,
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even after decades of inner work.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We are humble beginners on the mat, still
exploring, always curious.
We believe that listening toand following the nudge of
desire is a deep spiritualpractice that helps us grow.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
On the Desires Medicine podcast.
We talk to each other, weinterview people we know and
love about the practice ofdesire, bringing in a very
important piece that is oftenoverlooked being responsible for
our desire.
Welcome back family, friends,loved ones, listeners.
(01:37):
Today we are recording our100th episode.
This is absolutely fantasticand so deserving of what we're
about to bring you today.
We love all of you, but mostlythe ones that tell us what they
learned.
So I love you more.
The ones that send me reviews,the one that give me stars, the
one that hit my inbox.
(01:58):
You know who you are and I wantyou to know that I absolutely
love you.
You feed the fuel, you fire meup.
You are what encouraged me tokeep going.
Most people don't get past, ormost people who podcast don't
get past 10.
Brenda and I are here todaywith a hundred.
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This is huge.
This is huge for us, but it'salso huge for you.
You've listened.
If you are the ones that are,excuse me as I clear my throat.
You're one of the ones that arelistening, and you have been
here since the beginning or themiddle or sometime just recently
, and you're letting me know, orletting Brenda know, or letting
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us know how it's gone for you.
You're literally on this ridewith us.
We wanted a platform, we wantedto be able to share all the
goodies and we're sort of havinga conversation with you, with
each other as well.
So we're celebrating today,we're celebrating the hundred
episodes.
We're celebrating the behindthe scenes.
(03:03):
We're celebrating the 100episodes.
We're celebrating the behindthe scenes.
We are celebrating listeners.
We're going to be giving someshout outs.
So, if you have sent us somegoodies, we're talking to you
today and as we celebrate thismilestone and we share this
journey and we're sharing itwith you, I'm going to ask you,
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brenda, sharing it with you, I'mgoing to ask you, brenda, what
has been your favorite challenge, pivot or your favorite moment?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
so far on the podcast .
You can pick one or all three.
I love this question.
I am so excited about thisepisode.
Catherine, A hundred.
As I'm listening to you speak,I'm going, wow, we did this.
We did 100 episodes.
Well, 99.
We're doing 100 right now andit is such a testament to desire
itself.
(03:54):
How, when you feel a stirringin your soul and you have the
gumption to follow that stirringand maybe you bring your
friends along with you, likewhen you asked me to talk about
desire with you and to do apodcast it changes everything.
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Changes everything for you, itchanges things for the people
around you.
One of my teachers said and Ireally found this to be true
when we follow our desire,everyone around us has more.
This podcast is a perfectexample of that, because we have
produced something absolutelybeautiful that lives and
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breathes on its own, and peopleare always coming and talking to
us about this podcast.
Okay, what was the questionagain?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I love it.
I'll give you a differentquestion how has this journey,
or what has this journey meantto you, from personally or
professionally?
Wow, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I love our self-love series.
First of all, I'm so proud ofthis entire podcast.
I've personally grown alongwith it in ways that have
surprised and delighted me.
Our self-love series really litme up.
I think I fell in love with ourpodcast during our self-love
series.
I liked it before that and itwas fun, but there was something
(05:26):
about self-love series whichstarts at episode 35.
If you want to go back andlisten, that was mind blowing.
We entered into a space thatwas magical, curious and touched
on everything that's possiblefor ourselves as women.
Curious and touched oneverything that's possible for
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ourselves as women.
What if you work on yourrelationship with yourself?
And we really came to it with atrue curiosity.
What does self-love mean?
You know, we hear it all thetime.
People are self-love coaches,there's self-love books, there's
shows.
Everyone's talking aboutself-love coaches.
There's self-love books,there's shows, everyone's
talking about self-love.
But what does it mean and howdo you do it?
And we really explored thatquestion and it changed me.
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It really changed me.
That, coupled with my ownexperiences in life where I've
learned to have deep compassionand love for myself, and
exploring that and my mytakeaway from that was that
loving yourself is acceptingyourself, no matter what, truly.
I mean truly accepting yourselfin all the places, no matter
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what.
That's a mouthful, that's amouthful.
Maybe that was easier when Iwas 20 or 30, when things were,
you know, maybe going smooth.
But you know, I've knocked afew things down in my life since
then and had a couple ofheartbreaks and disasters and
disappointments.
And how do you love yourselfwhen you've made a mess and hurt
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people that you love?
And I've learned to do it, andso our self-love series is
relevant and important, so I'mreally proud of that.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Thank you so much for that.
That was such a great journeyto yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
How about you?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Memory lane.
What was yours?
I mean, I loved the self-loveseries.
It changed me in so many ways,so many profound ways.
My takeaway I mean we did awhole episode on takeaways.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
We loved it so much we did three episodes on
takeaways.
We had so many takeaways fromtheir self-love series.
We did takeaways, teachings andtakeaways two and three.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I stand corrected.
We did three episodes ontakeaways.
For me I always felt likeself-love.
Self-love was this lofty thing,even as you say, oh, loving us
no matter what, loving ourselvesno matter what felt so lofty,
like, how do you get there?
And with the self-love series Iwas like, oh, it's really just
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one choice at a time, it's oneaction at a time.
That was so mind blowingbecause the way people talk
about it, it's as if you havethis romantic relationship with
yourself, like, oh my God, Ijust love myself, I show up for
myself in all of these ways.
It's like, no, I show up formyself because I'm committed to
showing up for myself, and everytime I show up for myself and
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every time I choose myself, Ilove myself more and more was so
mind blowing.
And then, if you transfer thatthought process to relationship,
it's like when you have twopeople who are in relationship
whether friendship, family,romantic, really all it takes is
to grow in love together, toshow up for each other, one
choice after another afteranother, like to show up for
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ourselves unapologetically.
And then, when we are this ideaof self-love and put it in a
different place, for me it wasno longer lofty or romantic.
It was really grounded in reallife action taking.
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I could really see the impactof that when you look at it from
a broader sense.
So that's how it grew mepersonally the self-love series.
Professionally, I have seengrowth in my desire to show up
for the listeners.
That know me well.
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I'm not big on visibility, I'mnot big on the internet, I don't
have that much gumption to justor courage to be in front of
people that I don't know, but Ihave found the podcast to be a
great stepping stone for me.
It has really had me stretch myedges, stretch myself to edges
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that I didn't know were thereand also some that I knew were
there for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Thank you for sharing that.
I want to add that,professionally, it's really
grown me as well.
This has been something that Ihave shown up for with you every
week I mean more than more thanweekly for years.
We've been doing this since2021 in different forms and now
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we're at episode 100.
So I have shown up for thisevery week.
I have committed to myself, toyou, to this podcast, to our
audience, to desire itself, andthat has really shown me what's
possible when I commit and I'mdevoted to something that I love
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.
And that's not to say that it'sbeen easy.
I don't think we've had reallybig creative differences, but
we've sometimes have differentways or different ideas and we
just like, always work it out,and there's something about just
coming to it no matter what.
And there's been a couple oftimes where I'm like is this the
end?
Are we done?
(11:18):
No, we just kept showing up andwe're committed to following
truth.
No, we just kept showing up andwe're committed to following
truth.
Showing up, there is somethingso magical when you put it in
your calendar and you commit andyou show up for it.
It's beautiful.
It's shown me what's possiblethere and I'm so excited that
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the things that we talk abouthere on our podcast overlap with
things that I'm talking to myclients about.
I feel like it's convergingeven more maybe as I get more
dropped in to this whole thing.
It's just converging togetherand that's so exciting because
all it means is that I'm doingmy life's work and amen.
(12:03):
That is absolutely beautiful,and I also want to give a shout
out to our sisterhood series,which starts at 82.
And then we did a freedomseries in the somewhere in the
90s, which those were reallygood too.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Thank you for shouting out the podcast and the
episodes.
I love that, and we could gointo how we were changed or
impacted by the podcast, or intothe different series that we
have had and the impact thatthey have had.
I think we could probably do it.
Listeners, I'm not even playingwith each and every record,
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with each and every record, andwould that be helpful?
I'm not sure, but it would takea long time.
So I'm going to have us sort ofpivot here so we can start
shouting out more than just thepodcast, because we love you so,
so, so, so much, and Iespecially love and I'm not
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being shy about this those ofyou that have reviewed the
podcast.
So I just want to say, alyssa,from the bottom of my heart,
thank you.
And she writes with her fivestars.
For anyone trying to tune intoyourself and learning how to
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know the answer to air quoteswhat do I want will have
stumbled upon A Goldmine withCatherine and Brenda.
They pack an amazing amountinto short, digestible episodes.
Whether you've been workingwith your desire for decades or
are just learning desire for thefirst time, desire doesn't just
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mean sex.
This podcast is for you.
Thank you so so much.
A drum roll for Alyssa Next.
Winnie, I love you so much.
She says.
Brenda and Catherine break downconcepts that may seem complex
into easily digestible bites.
Their podcast definitely helpedme put things in perspective
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and reflect on how desire showsup in different places in my
life.
If you're a woman who wants tobe attuned to her desire at all
levels, this podcast is for you.
Thank you, winnie, deb.
Thank you Deb.
We will potentially be havingDeb in the future.
She writes really enjoyed thediscussion of boundaries and all
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the nuances related to sayingyes and saying no.
Christina, thank you.
With her five stars she saysdesire as medicine podcast,
hosted by Brenda and Catherine,is a breath of fresh air in the
world of self-improvement andpersonal growth.
With every episode, brenda andCatherine deliver a powerful mix
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of wisdom, vulnerability andinspiration that truly resonates
.
What sets this podcast apart isthe genuine and heartfelt
approach to discussing topicsrelated to desire,
self-discovery and personaldevelopment.
Their conversations are notjust informative but deeply
relatable.
Brenda and Catherine'sauthenticity shines through,
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making you feel like you'rechatting with friends who
genuinely care about your growthand well-being.
They have a knack foraddressing the real, sometimes
messy, aspects of personalgrowth, which is incredibly
refreshing in a world oftenfilled with polished and
superficial advice.
The chemistry oh, we get this alot.
(15:35):
The chemistry between Brendaand we get this a lot.
The chemistry between Venda andCatherine is undeniable.
They compliment each other'sperspectives beautifully and
their dynamic creates engaging,thought-provoking discussion.
Desire as Medicine podcast isnot just a source of information
but a source of empowerment.
Listening to it feels like atransformative journey and I
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find myself eagerly awaitingeach new episode.
If you're seeking genuineguidance on your path to
personal growth and fulfillment,this podcast is a must listen.
They have created a safe andwelcoming space for everyone and
their wisdom truly is medicinefor the soul.
Thank you so much, christina,patricia.
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Five stars, I love.
Desire is Medicine.
It's so cool to hear two verydifferent women I get that a lot
too.
We get that a lot too have realraw conversations about desire,
self-discovery and steppinginto your power.
They keep it honest, insightfuland super relatable.
Every episode makes me think innew ways and reminds me how
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important it is to own what Itruly want without guilt or
hesitation.
If you're looking for a podcastthat'll challenge you, that
sounds more like us, inspire youand maybe even change the way
you see yourself, this is itHighly recommend Goddess
Charmaine, even change the wayyou see yourself.
This is it Highly recommendGoddess Charmaine.
Listening with her five stars tothe two of you was like a big,
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a great big hug.
Truly.
It felt like being held, lovedit so much.
Thank you, florence.
Listening to this episode withthe five stars helped me to put
down judgment so that I cantruly see the different types of
friendships in my life.
She's clearly relating to thefriendship series for what they
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are.
It has put me in a place ofgratitude for those in my life
as well as what place they getheld in my life.
I guess what place they get tohold in my life.
Thank you so much, and withthat, I would love to be reading
your episode review.
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Listener, I want to encourageyou to go to Apple, click the
little five stars, click reviewand give us your nuggets.
I love receiving your DMs too.
I love receiving your emails,your voice notes.
I love them all.
We've even gotten a video, atestimonial, which I love you
too.
It was Emily, right, it was.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Emily and Leilani, who were driving down to
Asheville from Florida and theywere listening to our sisterhood
episodes.
And there they are in the cartogether, going to visit other
sisters one of which happens tobe my daughter and they were so
inspired.
They said they had the bestconversation about it in the car
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and they recorded a video forus and then posted it on
Instagram, which was absolutelyamazing.
We love that.
We love that.
We love that.
I love the part when you saidthe review where they said it
changes.
It changes how you see yourself, that our podcast helped
someone changed how they sawthemselves.
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That's quite beautiful.
I want to share this one frommindy.
This just came in through atext a while back.
This was in regard to ourself-love series.
She said I want you to knowthat today I decided not to blow
out my hair.
I realize that I'm constantlytrying to get as close to
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perfection as possible,including having pin straight
hair and no flyaways.
I also realized that I'mpushing these ideals onto my
daughter and even my sons, and Ijust don't want to do that
anymore.
That playbook is old and playedout.
Thank you for the inspirationto embrace me, for me as is.
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That's really beautiful.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
And I've received a message from a friend who told
me that she loves to listen toour podcast when she has her
period.
She just like because shedoesn't want to do much, she
doesn't want to engage with much, but she lays on the ground and
she bleeds and she listens tous talk about desire because she
just wants to be in the vibesof women and inspiration.
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that's really beautiful so good,I know right, and then we've
also had men listening.
We have my partner alwayslistens he listens to all the
episodes and I love discussingit with him and that that led to
an interesting conversationwith Catherine and I about men.
You know, we really do geartowards women Our coaching is
with women but we also both havehad private clients as men and
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some men do listen to thepodcast and we've had men guests
on.
Inspired by that, actually, wereally wanted to ask well, how
do we add men to theconversation?
And I was recently talking to aman who we were talking about
desire and I encouraged him tolisten to the Ian Wood episode
and then he came back and hesaid Can we talk about it?
I want to sit down and talk toyou about this episode and
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desire, and he really enjoyed it.
It was really important for himto hear from another man about
desire and emotions, and we hadIan on and Peter Sweeney during
our self-love series.
What does self-love look likefor men?
And one of our takeaways forthat one of mine was that loving
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themselves is giving themselvespermission to feel at all,
because we live in a world wheremen aren't supposed to feel,
they're supposed to produce, butmen want to feel.
They do feel, and so givingthemselves permission to be all
of themselves is very loving.
And I've had so many peoplejust even say desire, wait, goal
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, do you mean goal or desire?
And I've had so many peoplejust even say desire, wait, goal
.
Do you mean goal or desire?
Like, what's the differencebetween a desire and a goal?
Right, those are reallydifferent.
So we have a full range oflisteners, people who are just
at the very beginning Wait,what's a desire?
How is it different than a goal?
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And wait, I could follow mydesires.
I can listen to these voicesand just take one step at a time
to follow them.
I don't have to do it all atonce.
I don't have to sit in my lifeand be miserable.
I don't have to stay at thatjob all the time.
No, you can change jobs.
You can do a lot of differentthings.
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We have people who are quiteadvanced I'll say quite advanced
in quotes in desire, meaningthey've been practicing and
studying desire, and I'll putyou and I in that category as
well.
I still get worked by desire.
I still get that pang of oh myGod when a new desire comes in.
And I do want to say a few morethings.
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We've had people message usthanking us for our practical
advice, and we have all thosetoolbox episodes that are 10 to
20 minutes giving you ways toplay with desire, practical
advice.
So if you don't know how to dothe whole big thing, it's okay,
just grab a toolbox, and wereally appreciate hearing that.
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We've had people say that ourepisodes are priceless.
I love this one.
This episode came in clutch forme.
I love that.
And we get multiple messages ofpeople saying, oh, I listened
to this one two times and a lotof people saying they have
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permission to feel, permissionto pause and permission to love
themselves, no matter what.
These are huge things.
Oh.
And people who are saying Iwant to put my phone in the
other room because we've talkeda lot about that as well in
different episodes.
People who are like oh, myphone is now in the other room,
it's not next to my head when Isleep, calling me.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I know right, sometimes the phone is next to
us.
It's like binge oh yes, we didan episode on that one too.
Us it's like binge oh yes, wedid an episode on that one too.
I can't say enough about whatit feels like to be on this path
with Brenda and to be atepisode 100 recording.
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It has truly been like soulfood.
Yes, to have found somethingthat I truly enjoy personally
and professionally has reallybeen a gift, and I'm sure I
speak for Brenda and I'm sureit's the same, because otherwise
I don't think we would havemade it to 100.
I think one of us would havequit by now if that wasn't the
case.
I do think that's why people doend up quitting.
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It's just a lot to show upconstantly.
And let's not even talk abouthow many people have difficulty
showing up as a duo, as two,because showing up you yourself
for 10 is one thing, showing upas a duo, well, that's different
, because there's a completelydifferent dynamic.
We have to work on oursisterhood and our connection
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and our yeah, connection.
There's a word I'm looking forour exchange like how connected
we are, so that we can speakabout these topics and have it
be smooth versus not smooth.
We've had other people talkabout that Like it's just not
smooth, it's clunky, and you'rejust not on the same page or not
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jiving, and so we could talkabout like to infinitum about
this, but what's more fun islet's talk about what's next.
What's next?
Are there new themes, guests,shifts.
I can say that one of the goalsI had for 2025, which will
probably be in 2026, or maybenot, maybe no-transcript that's
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on the back burner for me.
That's something that I'vepersonally been studying with a
different lens, so that'ssomething that we'd like to do.
For sure, we may go a littledeeper into freedom.
We're definitely still belooking at desire from, and
talking about that from,different places.
What comes up for you when youthink about what's next?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know something that we've just touched on in
the last week, which is video.
We have talked a lot about thisand we have very much owned
that we are not ready for video.
Well, guess what folks?
We're starting with video, solook for that on our Instagram.
I would like us to have morereach with our podcast.
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I see some of our numbers goingup when I look at the stats
because I like to look at thestats and I'm going to own it
that I want our podcast, desiresMedicine, to be wildly popular.
I want people to be listeningfar and wide.
I want to hear from people.
How is this impacting you?
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What are you learning aboutyourself?
What are you learning aboutdesire?
What's changing or shifting inyour internal landscape or maybe
in your life?
I want people to live theirbest lives, and I think that we
are giving them a roadmap forthat.
So, yes, I want it to bepopular.
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I want to monetize our podcast.
I would like to for both of usto receive clients from this
podcast.
I would love more inquiries ofwhat Catherine and I do and to
have it start to get reallyjuicy in here, or even juicier
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Cause.
Then it gets even more fun.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Thank you for all the teases that you're dropping
here, especially the video one.
We have not been ready, butthat is probably going to be
rolled out soon.
I can't say when we werethinking by the hundredth, but
as you'll be hearing this,you'll know, there is no video
accompanied to this one, sowe'll have to wait and see when
that comes.
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But it's, it's a testament tohow we have grown with the
podcast and we can feel the edge.
Oh, it's time for video, andwe're also honoring where we are
and what we're willing to doand what we're willing not to do
.
And I think that, with desire,that's really important.
That's one of the tenants, likeone of our shared values, in
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desire and with the podcast,that we show up for what we can
do, not pushing us pushingourselves into something that
we're just not ready for.
Not pushing us pushingourselves into something that
we're just not ready for.
So definitely we have things inthe hopper as far as what's
next and we want to grow forsure.
I would add into I'll put thisin the ring that if you are a
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listener and you're hearing usand you have a podcast, we would
love to be interviewed by you.
So send us a message.
Let us know you want us on.
That's going to be one of ourstretches.
I would love for us to beinterviewed as a duo that have a
podcast.
I've definitely beeninterviewed alone and I'm sure
she's been interviewed alone.
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I think being interviewed by aduo or, you know, as a duo, is
something that would reallystretch us and have us feel
different sensations of anxiety,which I'm sure would be in a
good way.
And with that you have it, guys.
Thank you so much for beingpart of the 100th.
We've been able to share somereflections about what we've
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learned.
We've been talking about ourgorgeous listeners, new and old.
We've talked about what we'velearned.
We've been talking about ourgorgeous listeners, new and old.
We've talked about what'scoming, and so, really, we want
to say thank you, thank you somuch for being here, thank you
so much for listening, thank youso much for your contribution
to the stats.
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Brenda really loves those andso thank you.
She gets to see the littletickets, the tickers of the
globe and where people arelistening from.
We want to verbally raise aglass to desire, to evolution,
to the mess and the magic andBrenda said this earlier, but
I'm going to say it again, it'snot ours, but it's definitely
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from one of our very belovedteachers when you follow your
desire, not only do you get tohave more, but so does everybody
else.
Thank you so much for listening.
If this touched you in any way,please go to Apple, click the
stars, click, write a review.
Write a review and send us ascreenshot.
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Thanks so much, until next time.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Thank you for joining us on the Desire is Medicine
podcast.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Desire invites us to be honest, loving and deeply
intimate with ourselves andothers.
You can find our handles in theshow notes.
We'd love to hear from you.
Welcome to Desire is Medicine.
We are two very different womenliving a life led by desire,
inviting you into our world.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm Brenda.
I'm a devoted practitioner tobeing my fully expressed true
self in my daily life.
Motherhood relationships and mybusiness Desire has taken me on
quite a ride and every day Ipractice listening to and
following the voice within.
I'm a middle school teacherturned coach and guide of the
feminine.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
And I'm Catherine, devoted to living my life as the
truest and hopefully thehighest version of me.
I don't have children, I'venever been married.
I've spent equal parts of mylife in corporate as in some
down and low shady spaces.
I was the epitome of tired andwired and my path led me to
explore desire.
I'm a coach, guide, energyworker and a forever student,
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even after decades of inner work.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We are humble beginners on the mat, still
exploring, always curious.
We believe that listening toand following the nudge of
desire is a deep spiritualpractice that helps us grow.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
On the Desires Medicine podcast.
We talk to each other, weinterview people we know and
love about the practice ofdesire, bringing in a very
important piece that is oftenoverlooked being responsible for
our desire.
Welcome back family, friends,loved ones, listeners.
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Today we are recording our100th episode.
This is absolutely fantasticand so deserving of what we're
about to bring you today.
We love all of you, but mostlythe ones that tell us what they
learned.
So I love you more.
The ones that send me reviews,the one that give me stars, the
one that hit my inbox.
(01:58):
You know who you are and I wantyou to know that I absolutely
love you.
You feed the fuel, you fire meup.
You are what encouraged me tokeep going.
Most people don't get past, ormost people who podcast don't
get past 10.
Brenda and I are here todaywith a hundred.
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This is huge.
This is huge for us, but it'salso huge for you.
You've listened.
If you are the ones that are,excuse me as I clear my throat.
You're one of the ones that arelistening, and you have been
here since the beginning or themiddle or sometime just recently
, and you're letting me know, orletting Brenda know, or letting
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us know how it's gone for you.
You're literally on this ridewith us.
We wanted a platform, we wantedto be able to share all the
goodies and we're sort of havinga conversation with you, with
each other as well.
So we're celebrating today,we're celebrating the hundred
episodes.
We're celebrating the behindthe scenes.
(03:03):
We're celebrating the 100episodes.
We're celebrating the behindthe scenes.
We are celebrating listeners.
We're going to be giving someshout outs.
So, if you have sent us somegoodies, we're talking to you
today and as we celebrate thismilestone and we share this
journey and we're sharing itwith you, I'm going to ask you,
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brenda, sharing it with you, I'mgoing to ask you, brenda, what
has been your favorite challenge, pivot or your favorite moment?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
so far on the podcast .
You can pick one or all three.
I love this question.
I am so excited about thisepisode.
Catherine, A hundred.
As I'm listening to you speak,I'm going, wow, we did this.
We did 100 episodes.
Well, 99.
We're doing 100 right now andit is such a testament to desire
itself.
(03:54):
How, when you feel a stirringin your soul and you have the
gumption to follow that stirringand maybe you bring your
friends along with you, likewhen you asked me to talk about
desire with you and to do apodcast it changes everything.
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Changes everything for you, itchanges things for the people
around you.
One of my teachers said and Ireally found this to be true
when we follow our desire,everyone around us has more.
This podcast is a perfectexample of that, because we have
produced something absolutelybeautiful that lives and
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breathes on its own, and peopleare always coming and talking to
us about this podcast.
Okay, what was the questionagain?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I love it.
I'll give you a differentquestion how has this journey,
or what has this journey meantto you, from personally or
professionally?
Wow, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I love our self-love series.
First of all, I'm so proud ofthis entire podcast.
I've personally grown alongwith it in ways that have
surprised and delighted me.
Our self-love series really litme up.
I think I fell in love with ourpodcast during our self-love
series.
I liked it before that and itwas fun, but there was something
(05:26):
about self-love series whichstarts at episode 35.
If you want to go back andlisten, that was mind blowing.
We entered into a space thatwas magical, curious and touched
on everything that's possiblefor ourselves as women.
Curious and touched oneverything that's possible for
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ourselves as women.
What if you work on yourrelationship with yourself?
And we really came to it with atrue curiosity.
What does self-love mean?
You know, we hear it all thetime.
People are self-love coaches,there's self-love books, there's
shows.
Everyone's talking aboutself-love coaches.
There's self-love books,there's shows, everyone's
talking about self-love.
But what does it mean and howdo you do it?
And we really explored thatquestion and it changed me.
(06:12):
It really changed me.
That, coupled with my ownexperiences in life where I've
learned to have deep compassionand love for myself, and
exploring that and my mytakeaway from that was that
loving yourself is acceptingyourself, no matter what, truly.
I mean truly accepting yourselfin all the places, no matter
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what.
That's a mouthful, that's amouthful.
Maybe that was easier when Iwas 20 or 30, when things were,
you know, maybe going smooth.
But you know, I've knocked afew things down in my life since
then and had a couple ofheartbreaks and disasters and
disappointments.
And how do you love yourselfwhen you've made a mess and hurt
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people that you love?
And I've learned to do it, andso our self-love series is
relevant and important, so I'mreally proud of that.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Thank you so much for that.
That was such a great journeyto yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
How about you?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Memory lane.
What was yours?
I mean, I loved the self-loveseries.
It changed me in so many ways,so many profound ways.
My takeaway I mean we did awhole episode on takeaways.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
We loved it so much we did three episodes on
takeaways.
We had so many takeaways fromtheir self-love series.
We did takeaways, teachings andtakeaways two and three.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I stand corrected.
We did three episodes ontakeaways.
For me I always felt likeself-love.
Self-love was this lofty thing,even as you say, oh, loving us
no matter what, loving ourselvesno matter what felt so lofty,
like, how do you get there?
And with the self-love series Iwas like, oh, it's really just
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one choice at a time, it's oneaction at a time.
That was so mind blowingbecause the way people talk
about it, it's as if you havethis romantic relationship with
yourself, like, oh my God, Ijust love myself, I show up for
myself in all of these ways.
It's like, no, I show up formyself because I'm committed to
showing up for myself, and everytime I show up for myself and
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every time I choose myself, Ilove myself more and more was so
mind blowing.
And then, if you transfer thatthought process to relationship,
it's like when you have twopeople who are in relationship
whether friendship, family,romantic, really all it takes is
to grow in love together, toshow up for each other, one
choice after another afteranother, like to show up for
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ourselves unapologetically.
And then, when we are this ideaof self-love and put it in a
different place, for me it wasno longer lofty or romantic.
It was really grounded in reallife action taking.
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I could really see the impactof that when you look at it from
a broader sense.
So that's how it grew mepersonally the self-love series.
Professionally, I have seengrowth in my desire to show up
for the listeners.
That know me well.
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I'm not big on visibility, I'mnot big on the internet, I don't
have that much gumption to justor courage to be in front of
people that I don't know, but Ihave found the podcast to be a
great stepping stone for me.
It has really had me stretch myedges, stretch myself to edges
(10:04):
that I didn't know were thereand also some that I knew were
there for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Thank you for sharing that.
I want to add that,professionally, it's really
grown me as well.
This has been something that Ihave shown up for with you every
week I mean more than more thanweekly for years.
We've been doing this since2021 in different forms and now
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we're at episode 100.
So I have shown up for thisevery week.
I have committed to myself, toyou, to this podcast, to our
audience, to desire itself, andthat has really shown me what's
possible when I commit and I'mdevoted to something that I love
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.
And that's not to say that it'sbeen easy.
I don't think we've had reallybig creative differences, but
we've sometimes have differentways or different ideas and we
just like, always work it out,and there's something about just
coming to it no matter what.
And there's been a couple oftimes where I'm like is this the
end?
Are we done?
(11:18):
No, we just kept showing up andwe're committed to following
truth.
No, we just kept showing up andwe're committed to following
truth.
Showing up, there is somethingso magical when you put it in
your calendar and you commit andyou show up for it.
It's beautiful.
It's shown me what's possiblethere and I'm so excited that
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the things that we talk abouthere on our podcast overlap with
things that I'm talking to myclients about.
I feel like it's convergingeven more maybe as I get more
dropped in to this whole thing.
It's just converging togetherand that's so exciting because
all it means is that I'm doingmy life's work and amen.
(12:03):
That is absolutely beautiful,and I also want to give a shout
out to our sisterhood series,which starts at 82.
And then we did a freedomseries in the somewhere in the
90s, which those were reallygood too.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Thank you for shouting out the podcast and the
episodes.
I love that, and we could gointo how we were changed or
impacted by the podcast, or intothe different series that we
have had and the impact thatthey have had.
I think we could probably do it.
Listeners, I'm not even playingwith each and every record,
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with each and every record, andwould that be helpful?
I'm not sure, but it would takea long time.
So I'm going to have us sort ofpivot here so we can start
shouting out more than just thepodcast, because we love you so,
so, so, so much, and Iespecially love and I'm not
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being shy about this those ofyou that have reviewed the
podcast.
So I just want to say, alyssa,from the bottom of my heart,
thank you.
And she writes with her fivestars.
For anyone trying to tune intoyourself and learning how to
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know the answer to air quoteswhat do I want will have
stumbled upon A Goldmine withCatherine and Brenda.
They pack an amazing amountinto short, digestible episodes.
Whether you've been workingwith your desire for decades or
are just learning desire for thefirst time, desire doesn't just
(13:47):
mean sex.
This podcast is for you.
Thank you so so much.
A drum roll for Alyssa Next.
Winnie, I love you so much.
She says.
Brenda and Catherine break downconcepts that may seem complex
into easily digestible bites.
Their podcast definitely helpedme put things in perspective
(14:09):
and reflect on how desire showsup in different places in my
life.
If you're a woman who wants tobe attuned to her desire at all
levels, this podcast is for you.
Thank you, winnie, deb.
Thank you Deb.
We will potentially be havingDeb in the future.
She writes really enjoyed thediscussion of boundaries and all
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the nuances related to sayingyes and saying no.
Christina, thank you.
With her five stars she saysdesire as medicine podcast,
hosted by Brenda and Catherine,is a breath of fresh air in the
world of self-improvement andpersonal growth.
With every episode, brenda andCatherine deliver a powerful mix
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of wisdom, vulnerability andinspiration that truly resonates
.
What sets this podcast apart isthe genuine and heartfelt
approach to discussing topicsrelated to desire,
self-discovery and personaldevelopment.
Their conversations are notjust informative but deeply
relatable.
Brenda and Catherine'sauthenticity shines through,
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making you feel like you'rechatting with friends who
genuinely care about your growthand well-being.
They have a knack foraddressing the real, sometimes
messy, aspects of personalgrowth, which is incredibly
refreshing in a world oftenfilled with polished and
superficial advice.
The chemistry oh, we get this alot.
(15:35):
The chemistry between Brendaand we get this a lot.
The chemistry between Venda andCatherine is undeniable.
They compliment each other'sperspectives beautifully and
their dynamic creates engaging,thought-provoking discussion.
Desire as Medicine podcast isnot just a source of information
but a source of empowerment.
Listening to it feels like atransformative journey and I
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find myself eagerly awaitingeach new episode.
If you're seeking genuineguidance on your path to
personal growth and fulfillment,this podcast is a must listen.
They have created a safe andwelcoming space for everyone and
their wisdom truly is medicinefor the soul.
Thank you so much, christina,patricia.
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Five stars, I love.
Desire is Medicine.
It's so cool to hear two verydifferent women I get that a lot
too.
We get that a lot too have realraw conversations about desire,
self-discovery and steppinginto your power.
They keep it honest, insightfuland super relatable.
Every episode makes me think innew ways and reminds me how
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important it is to own what Itruly want without guilt or
hesitation.
If you're looking for a podcastthat'll challenge you, that
sounds more like us, inspire youand maybe even change the way
you see yourself, this is itHighly recommend Goddess
Charmaine, even change the wayyou see yourself.
This is it Highly recommendGoddess Charmaine.
Listening with her five stars tothe two of you was like a big,
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a great big hug.
Truly.
It felt like being held, lovedit so much.
Thank you, florence.
Listening to this episode withthe five stars helped me to put
down judgment so that I cantruly see the different types of
friendships in my life.
She's clearly relating to thefriendship series for what they
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are.
It has put me in a place ofgratitude for those in my life
as well as what place they getheld in my life.
I guess what place they get tohold in my life.
Thank you so much, and withthat, I would love to be reading
your episode review.
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Listener, I want to encourageyou to go to Apple, click the
little five stars, click reviewand give us your nuggets.
I love receiving your DMs too.
I love receiving your emails,your voice notes.
I love them all.
We've even gotten a video, atestimonial, which I love you
too.
It was Emily, right, it was.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Emily and Leilani, who were driving down to
Asheville from Florida and theywere listening to our sisterhood
episodes.
And there they are in the cartogether, going to visit other
sisters one of which happens tobe my daughter and they were so
inspired.
They said they had the bestconversation about it in the car
(18:29):
and they recorded a video forus and then posted it on
Instagram, which was absolutelyamazing.
We love that.
We love that.
We love that.
I love the part when you saidthe review where they said it
changes.
It changes how you see yourself, that our podcast helped
someone changed how they sawthemselves.
(18:51):
That's quite beautiful.
I want to share this one frommindy.
This just came in through atext a while back.
This was in regard to ourself-love series.
She said I want you to knowthat today I decided not to blow
out my hair.
I realize that I'm constantlytrying to get as close to
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perfection as possible,including having pin straight
hair and no flyaways.
I also realized that I'mpushing these ideals onto my
daughter and even my sons, and Ijust don't want to do that
anymore.
That playbook is old and playedout.
Thank you for the inspirationto embrace me, for me as is.
(19:32):
That's really beautiful.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
And I've received a message from a friend who told
me that she loves to listen toour podcast when she has her
period.
She just like because shedoesn't want to do much, she
doesn't want to engage with much, but she lays on the ground and
she bleeds and she listens tous talk about desire because she
just wants to be in the vibesof women and inspiration.
(20:04):
that's really beautiful so good,I know right, and then we've
also had men listening.
We have my partner alwayslistens he listens to all the
episodes and I love discussingit with him and that that led to
an interesting conversationwith Catherine and I about men.
You know, we really do geartowards women Our coaching is
with women but we also both havehad private clients as men and
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some men do listen to thepodcast and we've had men guests
on.
Inspired by that, actually, wereally wanted to ask well, how
do we add men to theconversation?
And I was recently talking to aman who we were talking about
desire and I encouraged him tolisten to the Ian Wood episode
and then he came back and hesaid Can we talk about it?
I want to sit down and talk toyou about this episode and
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desire, and he really enjoyed it.
It was really important for himto hear from another man about
desire and emotions, and we hadIan on and Peter Sweeney during
our self-love series.
What does self-love look likefor men?
And one of our takeaways forthat one of mine was that loving
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themselves is giving themselvespermission to feel at all,
because we live in a world wheremen aren't supposed to feel,
they're supposed to produce, butmen want to feel.
They do feel, and so givingthemselves permission to be all
of themselves is very loving.
And I've had so many peoplejust even say desire, wait, goal
(21:34):
, do you mean goal or desire?
And I've had so many peoplejust even say desire, wait, goal
.
Do you mean goal or desire?
Like, what's the differencebetween a desire and a goal?
Right, those are reallydifferent.
So we have a full range oflisteners, people who are just
at the very beginning Wait,what's a desire?
How is it different than a goal?
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And wait, I could follow mydesires.
I can listen to these voicesand just take one step at a time
to follow them.
I don't have to do it all atonce.
I don't have to sit in my lifeand be miserable.
I don't have to stay at thatjob all the time.
No, you can change jobs.
You can do a lot of differentthings.
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We have people who are quiteadvanced I'll say quite advanced
in quotes in desire, meaningthey've been practicing and
studying desire, and I'll putyou and I in that category as
well.
I still get worked by desire.
I still get that pang of oh myGod when a new desire comes in.
And I do want to say a few morethings.
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We've had people message usthanking us for our practical
advice, and we have all thosetoolbox episodes that are 10 to
20 minutes giving you ways toplay with desire, practical
advice.
So if you don't know how to dothe whole big thing, it's okay,
just grab a toolbox, and wereally appreciate hearing that.
(23:00):
We've had people say that ourepisodes are priceless.
I love this one.
This episode came in clutch forme.
I love that.
And we get multiple messages ofpeople saying, oh, I listened
to this one two times and a lotof people saying they have
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permission to feel, permissionto pause and permission to love
themselves, no matter what.
These are huge things.
Oh.
And people who are saying Iwant to put my phone in the
other room because we've talkeda lot about that as well in
different episodes.
People who are like oh, myphone is now in the other room,
it's not next to my head when Isleep, calling me.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I know right, sometimes the phone is next to
us.
It's like binge oh yes, we didan episode on that one too.
Us it's like binge oh yes, wedid an episode on that one too.
I can't say enough about whatit feels like to be on this path
with Brenda and to be atepisode 100 recording.
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It has truly been like soulfood.
Yes, to have found somethingthat I truly enjoy personally
and professionally has reallybeen a gift, and I'm sure I
speak for Brenda and I'm sureit's the same, because otherwise
I don't think we would havemade it to 100.
I think one of us would havequit by now if that wasn't the
case.
I do think that's why people doend up quitting.
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It's just a lot to show upconstantly.
And let's not even talk abouthow many people have difficulty
showing up as a duo, as two,because showing up you yourself
for 10 is one thing, showing upas a duo, well, that's different
, because there's a completelydifferent dynamic.
We have to work on oursisterhood and our connection
(24:52):
and our yeah, connection.
There's a word I'm looking forour exchange like how connected
we are, so that we can speakabout these topics and have it
be smooth versus not smooth.
We've had other people talkabout that Like it's just not
smooth, it's clunky, and you'rejust not on the same page or not
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jiving, and so we could talkabout like to infinitum about
this, but what's more fun islet's talk about what's next.
What's next?
Are there new themes, guests,shifts.
I can say that one of the goalsI had for 2025, which will
probably be in 2026, or maybenot, maybe no-transcript that's
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on the back burner for me.
That's something that I'vepersonally been studying with a
different lens, so that'ssomething that we'd like to do.
For sure, we may go a littledeeper into freedom.
We're definitely still belooking at desire from, and
talking about that from,different places.
What comes up for you when youthink about what's next?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know something that we've just touched on in
the last week, which is video.
We have talked a lot about thisand we have very much owned
that we are not ready for video.
Well, guess what folks?
We're starting with video, solook for that on our Instagram.
I would like us to have morereach with our podcast.
(26:24):
I see some of our numbers goingup when I look at the stats
because I like to look at thestats and I'm going to own it
that I want our podcast, desiresMedicine, to be wildly popular.
I want people to be listeningfar and wide.
I want to hear from people.
How is this impacting you?
(26:44):
What are you learning aboutyourself?
What are you learning aboutdesire?
What's changing or shifting inyour internal landscape or maybe
in your life?
I want people to live theirbest lives, and I think that we
are giving them a roadmap forthat.
So, yes, I want it to bepopular.
(27:07):
I want to monetize our podcast.
I would like to for both of usto receive clients from this
podcast.
I would love more inquiries ofwhat Catherine and I do and to
have it start to get reallyjuicy in here, or even juicier
(27:31):
Cause.
Then it gets even more fun.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Thank you for all the teases that you're dropping
here, especially the video one.
We have not been ready, butthat is probably going to be
rolled out soon.
I can't say when we werethinking by the hundredth, but
as you'll be hearing this,you'll know, there is no video
accompanied to this one, sowe'll have to wait and see when
that comes.
(27:54):
But it's, it's a testament tohow we have grown with the
podcast and we can feel the edge.
Oh, it's time for video, andwe're also honoring where we are
and what we're willing to doand what we're willing not to do
.
And I think that, with desire,that's really important.
That's one of the tenants, likeone of our shared values, in
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desire and with the podcast,that we show up for what we can
do, not pushing us pushingourselves into something that
we're just not ready for.
Not pushing us pushingourselves into something that
we're just not ready for.
So definitely we have things inthe hopper as far as what's
next and we want to grow forsure.
I would add into I'll put thisin the ring that if you are a
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listener and you're hearing usand you have a podcast, we would
love to be interviewed by you.
So send us a message.
Let us know you want us on.
That's going to be one of ourstretches.
I would love for us to beinterviewed as a duo that have a
podcast.
I've definitely beeninterviewed alone and I'm sure
she's been interviewed alone.
(28:59):
I think being interviewed by aduo or, you know, as a duo, is
something that would reallystretch us and have us feel
different sensations of anxiety,which I'm sure would be in a
good way.
And with that you have it, guys.
Thank you so much for beingpart of the 100th.
We've been able to share somereflections about what we've
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learned.
We've been talking about ourgorgeous listeners, new and old.
We've talked about what we'velearned.
We've been talking about ourgorgeous listeners, new and old.
We've talked about what'scoming, and so, really, we want
to say thank you, thank you somuch for being here, thank you
so much for listening, thank youso much for your contribution
to the stats.
(29:42):
Brenda really loves those andso thank you.
She gets to see the littletickets, the tickers of the
globe and where people arelistening from.
We want to verbally raise aglass to desire, to evolution,
to the mess and the magic andBrenda said this earlier, but
I'm going to say it again, it'snot ours, but it's definitely
(30:03):
from one of our very belovedteachers when you follow your
desire, not only do you get tohave more, but so does everybody
else.
Thank you so much for listening.
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