How Christian's Money Has Been Weaponized Against Them

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome, welcome, welcome everybody to another
episode of Dimensions.
We are so glad to be with youonce again.
I am so excited because we havegot a phenomenal half hour to
an hour podcast ready for folkstoday.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
We do.
I'm so excited about this guesttoday.
I have so many questions.
I'm ready to put my learningcap on and ready to receive all
that he has to give today.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Well, what you know about dimensions, ladies and
gentlemen, is this is thatthere's levels to this.
So we're not just coming at youfrom the spiritual aspect,
we're going to come at you todayfrom an economical aspect that
is going to be outstanding.
This is a personal friend ofours we're going to introduce in
a minute, but he is phenomenal.
I remember we had him onCornerstone back during the

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Trump.
Trump was a Trump versusClinton about number one and we
thought, for certain, he was onthere with Don Black, and I
remember being in the studioback in 2016, actually 2015.
We both were there.
We were both there, yep, and wethought for sure that Trump
ain't going to win this thingRight, ain't no way he's going
to get smoked.
And next thing, you know, wewere talking and Jerry was on

(01:22):
there and he was working hismagic and talking about the
different point scale and theelectoral votes.
Next thing, we're like thisthing is swinging in Trump's
direction.
So we were there, live with him, and he's just a phenomenal guy
and honored to be able to knowhim.
I've been on him with himseveral times on Cornerstone as
well.
But getting into the economy issomething that everybody wants
to know about, thing thateverybody wants to know about.

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And we've titled today'spodcast about how Christians
money is being.
Do Christians understand howtheir money is being weaponized
against them?
And then also we've heard a lotabout with President Trump
talking about this terroristthing.
Well, listen, you're going towant to stay tuned because what
he's about to share may actuallyrock your boat.
If you're a Trump fan, it'sgoing to rock your boat.
If you're not a Trump fan, youmay say, yeah, I knew it.

(02:07):
So it's going to be really good.
And but you know, this is why Iwould tell people all the time.
Whether you like Trump or not,whether you like Biden or not,
whether you like Clinton or not,doesn't matter who they are
your president for four years.
The Bible says that we ought topray for them.
So it's very, very importantthat we take the time to pray
and to intercede.
You know, the Bible says thatwe will lead quiet and peaceful

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lives if we intercede for thosethat are in authority.
So if you have an employer or aboss, a manager, supervisor,
that you don't like, first thingyou need to understand is that
all authority comes from God, soevery single one of them were
placed there by the hand of God.
The Bible makes it very clearthat they are ordained by God
and placed there by God, andthat the authorities that are

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ordained exist because of God.
You can read that in Romans 13.
So it doesn't matter whatauthority is there.
They are God's person for thathour.
Now, what we have to do isalign ourselves and ask
ourselves God first of all, howdo I pray for them?
And then, number two the nextthing you need to do is ask the
Lord, even though you may or maynot like the leader, what is
God requiring of you in thatseason, because all things work

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together for the good of themthat love the Lord and to them
that are called according to Hispurpose.
So it's important.
One of the things I've learned,babe, is that in every
circumstance in my life, whethergood, bad, up or down.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I always ask the Lord what is your mind, what is your
will?
Concerning that, I love thefact that you brought up Romans
8, 28.
You know, that's such a greatscripture, even in the midst of
the ups and downs, and even someof the stuff that we're going
to talk about tonight, some ofthe stuff that may surprise you,
some of the stuff that you'rethinking oh, I knew that and
some of the things that youdidn't know.
God is always in control, nomatter what he is in control,
and he's truly a God that, whenyou serve him, if you're called
according to his purpose, if youlove him, all things will work

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out for the good.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
So, as we get ready to bring our guest on, I want
you to be praying Lord, give meyour mind.
Yeah, in every circumstance, weneed to get as much education
as possible, and that's why I'mso honored.
We are so honored and pleasedand we are privileged and I want
you to consider yourselfprivileged that this next man of
God took time out of hisschedule to come and educate all

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of us on what's going on in oureconomy.
And we're talking about howChristians, money could be
weaponized against them andtariffs.
But who knows what else we'regoing to get into along the way
against them and tariffs.
But who knows what else we'regoing to get into along the way.
But we want to bring to thisplatform right now our buddy,
the economist, the one and onlyJerry Boyer.
If he's on there, come on,bring him up right now.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Thank, you so much, jerry.
It's great to have you man,honored to be here, wonderful to
be with you again.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well, you know what?
You have always been such ablessing to us.
You've come on Cornerstone withus several times for many years
.
To be honest with you I'm goingto throw this out there I think
Cornerstone doesn't use youenough, so I want to advocate
for them to use you more.
Not that they've done anythingwrong or they won't.

(05:00):
Just I just think you have somuch and you know, a lot of
times on Christian television itcan be just so focused on
spiritual things and so we lookat, like you know, teaching the
Bible and not not that allthat's bad, but having somebody
with your biblical backgroundhelping us to understand the
economy and politics and what'shappening.
So think about it.
What I just mentioned, jerry,about prayer, you know we're

(05:23):
talking about.
We got to pray for people.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Some people don't even know how to pray because
not even aware of what's goingon, yeah, yeah, so I mean your
show's dimensions, right, and Ithink that's really important,
because the Bible has manydimensions.
And I think that somehow intheology world or maybe church
world, but some, some parts ofchurch world get it and some
parts don't.
Okay, you get the idea that theBible has only one dimension,

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and that dimension is sort ofreligious doctrine.
So it doesn't have a politicaldimension, it doesn't have a
psychological dimension, itdoesn't have an economic or
financial dimension.
It's just about personalsalvation or just about certain
doctrines and we can argue aboutthose right.
So where we can argue aboutdoctrine, but you know, anyone

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who has kids or grandkidsprobably has had the experience
of a pop-up book.
Yeah, you open it up and itcomes up Right, and the Bible's
like that.
If you have eyes to see, whenyou open it, it comes up to all
the dimensions of human life,and so it is the best book of
theology, but it's also the bestbook of psychology and it's

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also the best book of politicsand it's also the best book of
economics and finance.
We're just not used to readingit that way, because something
about us wants to flatten itagain, when it starts to get
into areas that we kind of don'tthink Jesus should be talking
about, there's a tendency tojust kind of grab it and push it
back down and say, hey, jesus,just stick to religion.

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But he's the Lord, we're notthe Lord.
So we don't get to tell himwhich topics he can talk about.
And he talks about economicsall the time.
I mean it's a very frequentabout.
And he talks about economicsall the time he is.
I mean it's one, it's a veryfrequent topic, and I don't just
mean about money.
I think people already knowthat he probably talks about
money more than he talks aboutany other topic.
He's talking about economics aswell, and we don't quite see

(07:16):
that because we're not aware ofthe economics of his day.
I know this isn't the assignedtopic, but I'm just sensing that
we can go here.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yes, we can.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Look.
So let's say, 2000 years fromnow, somebody is reading a story
about a rabbi who's goingaround America and having
conversations with people.
And let's say he goes toPittsburgh, and because we're in
Pittsburgh and he meetssomebody who's carrying a lunch
bucket, and he starts to talk tothat person about being
stronger than steel, all right,now someone's reading that 2000

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years from now, they won't getwhat that's really about.
They won't understand that he'sin Pittsburgh and this is a
steel town and you know thatthat's.
That's a dimension of what he'stalking about.
Or in this story, let's saythis rabbi goes to, goes to New
York, to Wall Street, and hetalks about investing in the
kingdom.
Well, we would know, hey, wallStreet, that's the center of

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finance in the world, right?
Or Silicon Valley.
Well, when Jesus is walkingaround in the gospels, he's
going to places and those placeshave economies.
Bethsaida has an economy,capernaum has an economy,
bethany has an economy,jerusalem has an economy,
tiberius has an economy, so doesSyrophoenicia.

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And so when Jesus is there andhe's talking about economic
matters, if you put him in hiscontext, you find out that he's
really speaking in profound waysabout economics and we've sort
of silenced him on that to tryto basically tell him to stick
to what we're comfortable withhim talking about, which is just
personal salvation.
So I think when we open up thatpop-up book, we see that Jesus

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is dealing with every dimensionof life, including the economic
dimension of life.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, real quickly, because you mentioned that about
the whole economy how should aChristian read their Bible?
In regards to economy, ifyou're looking at the New
Testament, how would we?
What is a good way, maybe someparameters of how we can digest
what Jesus' economy of the daythat we could better understand
it?

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, well, I think number one start with the
awareness that he is.
In other words, don't limit himto his assigned homework from
us.
Like theologians can give Jesusan assigned topic.
Don't talk about anything else.
So just realize he's Lord, sohe cares about everything we
care about.
He cares about us, so he caresabout everything we care about.
I care about the economy.

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I assume you too care about theeconomy.
Of course You're on your showYou've got members of your
church.
I bet they care about theeconomy, so God does too.
I think the other thing is justa little historical background.
Like a lot of people don'tunderstand that up there in
Galilee, where Jesus was from,it was kind of low tax, high
economic growth, veryentrepreneurial, a lot of small

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businesses, a lot ofentrepreneurial businesses.
And we picked that up a littlebit when he's with Capernaum,
when he's summoning fishermenand these aren't just I grew up
with like guys who would justfish for food, right, they would
just like supplement theirplate.
But that's not what these guyswere.
They were professionalfishermen.
They would fish to sell.
They had a fishery business.
So he's talking toentrepreneurial people, small

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business people.
There was a lot of economicactivity there.
But see down in Judea, when youget close to the temple in
Jerusalem, you have a differenteconomy.
That's in the capital regionHigh taxes, like a lot of
hierarchy, like a politicalpower centralized in the top and
everybody basically takingwetting their beak on everybody

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below.
So up in the north, mosteconomic activity is people
producing goods and services.
Like in Nazareth.
They're growing olives andcrushing them in olive oil.
They're doing somethingproductive, is my point right.
They're building the stonewhere.
So in Cana there's a story ofthe stone jars.
Well, that's a stone jarfactory thing going on up there.
They actually had industrialstone jar making.

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They're doing useful things,like I said, catching fish and
fermenting those fish and thatbecomes a guar sauce which is
sold all around the empire.
Wouldn't be my taste, fermentedfish, but it was very popular
in the Mediterranean in thefirst century and they're
selling it all over the place.
So they're entrepreneurial,they're creating goods and
services.
But when you go, as soon asJesus goes down into the Judean

(11:27):
region, first thing he runs intois the rich young ruler, an
archon, a senator, and then hehas a confrontation with that
senator over wealth.
You go the whole gospels whenJesus is in the north not a
single confrontation withanybody about wealth.
There's rich people in thevicinity of Nazareth.
Nazareth was close to Sepphoris.
There's a mansion there thatarchaeologists have found.

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There were wealthy people there, but they got it honestly.
They were producing things ofvalue, like I said, olive oil,
they were doing that and fishand fish hooks and lots of other
things, and then they wereselling those things of value in
an open marketplace.
And Jesus has no confrontationsthere.
He's not telling his neighborswho are business owners to sell

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all they have and give to thepoor.
It's when he gets down to therich young ruler who took it
using the power of government,jesus says to him give it away,
because he's not really givingit away, he's giving it back.
It's not redistribution, it'srestitution.
He has lived off of the sweatof other people.

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Jerusalem had an open slavemarket, for example.
Jerusalem was a corrupt cityand it was living off the sweat
of other people through overtslavery or from similar forms of
economic exploitation.
And so all the confrontationsthat Jesus is having about money
and wealth all happened down inthe South.
They're all happening in theJerusalem area and people say,

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oh, that means Jesus doesn'tlike money, he's like no, that
means Jesus doesn't like theft.
But up in the North he doesn'thave any problem with money.
He was close friends with Josephof Arimathea, right, and Joseph
, you know, helps with hisburial expenses.
Well, how did Joseph make hismoney?
He was a tin merchant.

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He made an honest living, right, joseph, would you know he had
a company that would mine tin,it would refine tin and it would
sell it and trade it and tradeit all around the, you know,
around that whole region.
So Jesus doesn't have problemswith people who make money
honestly, even if they end upmaking a lot.
He has trouble with people whotake money from other people
using power, usually politicalpower or religious manipulation.

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Rich, young, ruler, zacchaeus,the tax collector and the money
changers all have one thing incommon they're using power to
take other people, to takewealth from productive people.
They're extracting via forcethe productive labors of other
people.
None of them are entrepreneurs.
And Jesus from anentrepreneurial background, a

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builder basically because atecton, he's more than just a
carpenter.
They were very skilled buildersand an entrepreneurial
background.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
He doesn't have a problem with people like that he
has a problem with the peoplewho rip them off.
Wow, that is so good, Jerry.
I have to say that now Ihaven't I don't think I've ever
met Jerry, right I don't thinkI've, maybe on the night of the
election back in 16.
Yeah, no-transcript, it pops upfrom there.

(14:57):
You know, I want to ask thisbecause there's going to be
people that are.
There's people that arewatching that they love God,
they love the word of God, butthey're thinking why should I be
concerned about economics?
Why is that so important?
What would you share with them?
You know, even as we're going,we're going deeper in this, so

(15:19):
what would you share with themwith regards to why it's so?

Speaker 1 (15:23):
especially as Christians.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
As Christians because you know we go to church on
Sunday and Wednesdays.
You know we know how to praiseGod, we know how to worship God,
but then when we talk abouteconomics, it's like people, I
think, think they're in, they'regoing towards the political
realm yeah you know they don'twant to touch that political and
financial they don't want tomess with.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
So why?
And?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
financial they don't want to mess with it, and
financial they don't want tomess with.
So why is it important for us,as Christians, to think about
the economic sector of things asbeing important as well?

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, well, I think the fact that we're scared of it
is probably an indicator of howimportant it is.
Yeah, right, so if we're afraidof thinking about what God
thinks about something, if we'reafraid of asking the question,
what does God teach about this?
What does God think about it?
Whose voice tells you not?

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Whose voice tells you to leaveGod out of certain things?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Satan.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Right.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
That's, that's the fear he uses Satan.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
That's right.
That's the fear he uses.
So here's the question why hashe expended so much of his
limited abilities?
Because he's a limited beinglike us.
He's not like God.
He's not infinite.
God's infinite.
Satan's got a lot morebandwidth than we do, but he's
not infinite.
He has to make decisions aboutwhat's important to him, just

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like we make decisions aboutwhat's important to us.
Why does he expend so muchenergy trying to get Christians
not to think about things likeeconomics and politics?
Maybe because it would reallydo him a lot of damage if we did
, if we were willing to go there, if we were willing to think.
Now, what does go there mean?
Often, what go there means iswe take our politics and our

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economics and we drag it intochurch and start a fight.
So that's not thinking aboutpolitics.
That's just another version ofus telling God what to think.
So when we tell the church whatto think, we're kind of telling
the church.
We're kind of telling God whatto think, aren't we?
But if we let God speak forhimself, I think, then you know

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that's not dangerous to us, it'sdangerous to the evil one.
So I would just I always startwith Genesis, right, doesn't
that make?

Speaker 2 (17:34):
sense, that's right.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Everything comes from Genesis.
I mean, that's where Godcreates the world.
So what we see in Genesis iswhat is God doing?
He is making, he's creating,he's making and he's doing right
.
Different Hebrew words for thatright Barah is to create,
melechto is to work, asah is todo.

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So he's making, he's workingright.
And what's he doing?
Well, he comes in and he makeslight.
And then he says I'm done, it'sgood, I'm done.
No, he doesn't.
He makes light, but he doesn'tstop.
He's not done yet.
Light's pretty good, but he'snot satisfied.
He wants to improve things.
So then he separates the watersabove from the waters below,
and then he separates the dryland from the water.
So you see what he's doing.

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Every day he starts over andsays, not at the end of the day,
he says good, but implicitly.
The next day he says but notgood enough, because if we're
good enough, we wouldn't haveanother day of creation.
Every day every first day isit's good, next day but not good
enough.
And then he does more.
Right, it's good.

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You know, god saw that it wasgood.
Next day he's still changing it.
So it's probably so it's good.
You know, by Ariadne Lutine Godsaw that it was good.
Next day he's still changing it.
So it's not good enough.
So what's he doing?
Well, first thing he does.
What's the first thing I do?
What do you do?
First, when you work during theday, you turn on the lights,
right?
Well, so does God.
First thing he does in creationis he turns on the lights and

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then he starts organizing things, he starts separating things.
So you have all this I of Dale.
He separates the day from thenight, he separates the waters
above from the waters below,creating the firmament.
He separates the waters fromthe dry land.
Right, because he said theearth is formless and void and
it's dark.
So he's fixing those problems.
It's formless, it'sdisorganized, it's void, it's

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dark.
So he's fixing those problems.
It's formless, it'sdisorganized, it's void, it's
empty and it's dark.
Okay, fix the darkness, turn onthe light, fix the disorganized
by separating things andorganizing them, creating
shelving for the world.
Well, what's the other problem?
Well, it's empty.
Right, the earth is formless,and void means it's disorganized
and empty.
Well, then he starts filling itwith things, and that's what we
do.
That's economics.
Whether you're Yahweh Elohim,god of the universe, or whether

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you're a janitor, god is doingit from a place of infinity.
But when I was in high school,or just out of high school, I
was a janitor and that's why Iturned on the light and I went
in and I started separatingwaters, right, and some of the
water goes into the bucket andsome of the water doesn't go
into the bucket, and then I'mcleaning things up and then I
fill things up.
And that's how.

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That's what economics is.
It's taking things, thephysical world, that's at one
state of value, evaluating itand then making it better, every
day making it better, andthat's called exercising
dominion, and that's what we do.
And so it says God made man inhis, in his image.
Male and female created he themright.

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So we're in his image, whichmeans we were like him.
But up until then, what have weseen God do?
We've seen God working.
So what does it mean to be inGod's image?
I mean anyone just reading alltheir theology and.
I'm all for theology, but ifthey were just reading this for
the first time, god is workingand building and creating and

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improving and separating andorganizing, and then he makes
somebody like him.
So what would they do?
Well, they would make andthey'd build, and they'd create
and they'd organize and theywould fill, because that's what
father does and so that's whatwe're made to do, and people
just get that in their bones.
Human beings are made that wayand we're ambitious.

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And what we can do is ifChristians say, no, don't do
that, your ambition is onlyreligion, say, no, don't do that
, your ambition is only religion.
The only place that matters ischurch, as opposed to churches
like the garden, where you learnand spend time with father and
then you go out and fill theearth and subdue it.
So church is the rechargingplace.

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Right, then you see, theeconomics just flows out of
worship, and if you don't haveworship, the economics will get
messed up.
But if you don't have economics, the worship will get messed up
too.
Right, because then you're likealways in, like religious zeal,
but you never do anything withit.
Right, then you kind of getburned out because it doesn't go

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anywhere.
But it's supposed to gosomewhere.
It's supposed to, just like therivers came out of the Garden
of Eden, right, just allsupposed to flow out into the
world.
So I say that we Christiansshould think about economics,
because if you read Genesis 1,we see the model for economics
God, the maker, the builder, theworker.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
You know it's amazing , Jerry.
You know, as I was reading Iwas kind of opening up my Bible
here because you got my mindgoing here.
And in Genesis 2, you know,when you talked about the
different rivers, it's amazingthat God installed an economy in
the Garden of Eden and ittalked about how.
In Genesis 2, 11, the name ofthe first is, I think it's
Pashon it is one which skirtsthe whole land of Havilah where

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there is gold and the gold ofthe land is good Bedelium and
the onyx stones are there.
So out of those rivers isflowing an economy that got.
And it's amazing, after Godestablished that, then he put
man in the garden and commandedhim to work, and so it's kind of
funny, he put economy and workhand in hand and how the two

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works.
As a matter of fact, I have afriend of mine, Jerry, that says
in every ministry he said itruns on two work.
As a matter of fact, I have afriend of mine, Jerry, that says
in every ministry he said itruns on two tracks, there's the
anointing track and there's thebusiness track, and how you have
to be able to manage both to besuccessful.
And going back to your point ofwhy we mentioned this, Jerry,
why we're so glad that you're onhere is a lot of times the
church is only focused on theanointing track.
Right, the anointing is goingto cure all of the economic

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stuff.
Now it can aid in it, but Idon't think people understand
that you have to be able tomanage both and understand both,
have wisdom in both and whenthe two go together, as you
mentioned, that gives you thetotality of what God originally
stated.
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Like in Genesis, the anointing track and the business
track.
So what do you have in Genesis?
You have the land of Eden andthe garden of Eden and we don't
necessarily read it carefullyenough to see that.
So in the garden of Eden is theanointing track, that's the
presence of God.
When God comes into the garden,they hear the sound of him.
You know, sometimes it's said,the voice of him walking.

(23:59):
I think it's the Shekinah, Idon't think it's, you know, kind
of like an old man humming.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
I agree with you on that.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I mean, I think the Hebrew pretty strongly.
It's like a glory cloud thatterrifies them.
It's like lightning andtrumpets and things right.
So it's halaking, it's goingAll right, so that's the
anointing track.
But then what do they do?
They go into the land.
So what it says is that Goddidn't allow the plants to
completely sprout up to Samachyet because there was not yet a

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man to work the ground.
So God doesn't even allow theplants to quite mature yet
because he needs a man to workthe ground, to irrigate,
basically.
And then it says but a mistwent up from the ground and that
watered the plants, right.
So this is a watering problem,right, there's, there's a
problem with, there's a?
Um, a problem with hydraulics.

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Here there's a, there's anirrigation problem.
We've got it's and we're notused to thinking of this
practically.
But you don't have anybody toirrigate, you don't have anybody
with a hoe, and so god,basically temporary, we're going
to send mist until the man getshere, right.
And then, right after that, thestory switches over and you
hear about the rivers.
Why does the Bible suddenlytalk about rivers?

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It's like you know there's astory about man and whether man
doesn't exist yet.
And then you have like thislittle book, like the rivers of
Eden, you know, like a littletravel book of the rivers of
Eden, and people think of thatas like a distraction or
something brought in fromoutside.
No, it's perfectly in line,because then he makes man.
And what's man supposed to do?
Well, we already were told he'ssupposed to irrigate the garden

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.
So God is saying here's my,here's my take on this text.
God is saying Adam, I'm goingto show you irrigation, I'm
going to show you how to water aworld.
And so God creates these riversand then.
So then it's like okay, adam,you're like father, you're going

(25:56):
to create little rivers too.
See, I've got this garden here,but I don't have anyone to work
it yet, and so I'm sending, I'mjust misting it for now, but I
want it to really grow, adam,and I just showed you how I make
the world grow with theserivers.
You're going to create littlerivers of your own.
So it's it's.
This is very practical.
The father is teaching the sonbecause it says in Luke's

(26:17):
genealogy that Adam is the sonof God.
That's different than the wayJesus is the son.
Jesus is the eternal son, butfather is teaching son how to
garden.
You know, when we moved intothis house, my sons and
daughters, we went out and weplanted trees together.
I taught them how to do that,and so that's the economics
that's going on and that's thebusiness track.

(26:39):
But I think every Saturday thenthey're supposed to go back to
the garden, right, and then inthe garden they meet with God
and he recharges them and thensends back them out in the world
and says look, I'm God, I madea garden.
Now you go make a garden.
I told you how.
I've taught you how.
Now you go turn this wholeworld into a garden city.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Well, you know, Jerry , I could stay there and I don't
want to burn up everything onthat.
That's what I knew.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I thought I told you, we could have Jerry here every
day and never exhaust.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
This is so you get tired of me eventually, but
twenty eight minutes, I don'tknow.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Jerry, I'm sitting here.
I feel like I'm going to.
I mean, this is, I'm takingnotes.
Yeah this is so good everybody.
This is so good everybody.
This is so good it really is.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
And while I'd like to park there, jerry, I know
there's some things we wanted toget into, but I'm glad we kind
of set this up, talking aboutwhy Christians don't understand
the economy, and I would love totalk more about the business
and the kingdom business, butthe business track and the
anointing track.
How you talk about the land ofEden, the garden of Eden.
I've never heard that beforebut I don't have time to park

(27:49):
there.
I want to get into about howchristian's money may be weapon.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Can we do the tariff thing first?
You want, let's do it yeah,because it actually flows really
well from what we're talkinglet's do that.
Tariffs good or bad so what youread bad, okay, so that's,
that's my one word answer notoes not good.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
No toes.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Not good for the man to be alone, including not good
for us to be isolated from theworld.
I mean, that's about man shouldhave a wife, right?
But it's also just a principleof human life that we need each
other.
And so you just read thatpassage about the land of
Havilah yeah, gold is good, andbdellium and onyx stone.
And so why are we told that?
I mean, is it just like oh,that's interesting.

(28:28):
On the ground there's gold andbdellium.
No, you're supposed to dosomething with it.
You're supposed to get it outof the ground and make it into
something.
And then what?
Just keep it all for yourself?
No, you're supposed to send itto other people to trade with
them.
That's why there's rivers goingin four directions.
That is God providentiallysaying, wow, these tribes move

(28:50):
down the river.
So you, adam and Eve, are inthe garden and they're in the
land of Eden.
And what are they doing?
They're kind of moving out.
Their descendants are moving out, but they're trading on rivers,
they're supposed to go out intothe world and exchange with one
another, and that can, and partof it is an offering.
Like that, gold should partlyjust go to God in the garden as

(29:11):
an offering, but it's alsosomething we trade with one
another.
So God set up the world fromthe beginning, so he spread out
certain things.
So in the garden there's fruitright, there's fruit.
In the garden there's fruittrees.
What else is there?
I won't get into the details,just take my word for it on this
.
There's cattle in the gardenand maybe I'll get into it

(29:33):
another time.
But if you read reallycarefully, you'll know that
there's actually cattle in thegarden beforehand.
So I know, if you ask me aboutit, I'll talk about it.
But otherwise I want to try.
We can get really bogged down.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, listen, I would love to keep going into it but
I want to make sure you get toall this.
But I'm guessing you're talkingabout probably where Adam
brought the animals to him toname them right?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yes, and what animal does God not bring to Adam to
name?
What does he not bring?
I don't know the cattle.
What does he not bring?
I don't know the cattle Wow,because they're already there.
See, all of the animals thatAdam does name the cattle in
Hebrew it's behemoth.
He names them, but God didn'tbring them to him.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Behemoth.
Is that where we get the wordbehemoth?

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, yeah, it is Behemoth.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Behemoth, right, but in Hebrew it's behemoth, just
like big, domesticated animal.
So those are the animals thatare in the temple sacrificial
system.
So Adam names the wild animals,he names birds, he names cattle
, but God doesn't bring himcattle.
It has to be that cattle arealready there.

(30:41):
You see, it's a garden, it's alittle bit like a garden, it's a
little bit like a ranch.
So there's cattle there, whichmeans there's milk and there's
yogurt and there's cheese andthere's fruit and there's olives
and there's nuts.
So that that's there, right,and that should be going out to
the whole world.
But nothing is said about goldbeing in the garden.
So if you want gold stuff inthe garden, you got to get that

(31:02):
from Havilah, right?
If you want bdellium and onyxstone, you've got to get that
from Havilah.
So someone's got to godownstream, learn how to do gold
, learn how to do onyx, learnhow to do bdellium, and then
send that back up the river,maybe in exchange for food from
the garden, because the gardenseems to have a lot of food,

(31:24):
right.
And then Adam is like gardeningoutside the Samach.
Those are herbs, there's herbsin the land.
So there are herbs that youcan't grow here in Pittsburgh.
I can grow sage, but there'scertain things that I can't grow
Like.
There's herbs that require, youknow, really high temperature,
and I can't grow those here.
So if I want turmeric, I got toget it from someplace else.

(31:47):
I got to get it from someplacefurther south.
So God has spread out his giftsover the whole world.
And if we decide that, we'regoing to fight that by taxing
exchange from other parts of theworld, which is what tariffs
are doing, tariffs basically sayjust make it all here, and if
you can't make it here then wedon't want it, and if you can't

(32:07):
make it here, then we don't wantit, whereas free exchange says
no, we've got a lot of greatcoal here in this part of the
world, we've got a lot of greatsteel here, but we don't have a
lot of turmeric.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Hey Jerry, real quick , you just said something.
Is that why President Trump isthat's his purpose behind the
tariffs?
Is so then, everything is madein America?

Speaker 3 (32:25):
He's trying to get more things made in America
because he sees he what he theway he thinks of it is, if we
buy something from overseas,that that somehow that's a loss
to us.
Like he thinks that if we'rethat when we buy things our
money's going to them and sothey're ripping us off, but if
our money's going to them andthings are coming to us from

(32:46):
overseas, I don't know how toget diamonds in America.
You can get diamonds fromoverseas, right, some people are
really good at making wine inAmerica, california, so there's
all sorts of things around theworld that different people are
good at making different thingsand so we exchange with one
another.
And the idea of protectionism,which is what tariffs are, is
basically we should pretty muchmake everything here, and I

(33:10):
don't think that's God's planfor us, because I think he loves
all people of the world andhe's spread out his gifts.
Now I understand it can be hard,like in Pittsburgh, for example
, in the 1980s, where Pittsburghpeople, pittsburgh, had trouble
competing, say, with Japan oversteel, and so the idea is well,
we're going to protect us fromcompetition, we're going to make

(33:31):
it so it's impossible or verydifficult to buy steel from from
japan.
I think that's misunderstanding.
I think the reason we hadtrouble competing wasn't because
we didn't have protection, butbecause our own government.
The taxes were too high, theregulations were too high.
It was really impossible to becompetitive because americans
are very talented and very hardworking we.
We don't need to be protected,right, we don't need our

(33:52):
government to protect us.
We just need our government tostop hurting us.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
I think the trade is a beautiful word.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
I don't think the tariff is a beautiful word and I
think maybe the president thisweek has figured that out
because he's been pulling backon these tariffs.
He's seen how investors areafraid and so when President
Trump got elected by the way,I'm not going to be always with
Trump or always against him.
I mean, that's a Jesus.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I'm with you.
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Jesus is the only one who gets to say you're either
with me or against me.
So when I'm as an economist,I'm an umpire, and when the
president, when President Trump,throws a strike, I'll say a
strike, and when he throws aball, that's way out of line,
I'm going to call a ball, allright.
So a lot of his, a lot of thestuff he's been doing on gender,
has been strike right there inthe yeah, amen to that Right and

(34:41):
a lot of sanctity of life rightthere in the strength and just
traditional, like lower taxes,lower regulation pro energy
right there in the strike zoneand just traditional, like lower
taxes, lower regulation,pro-energy right there in the
strike zone, but hurting othernations and trying to stop trade
.
And just every day a differentannouncement about another
tariff and a trade war, andconfusion.

(35:02):
God is not the author ofconfusion, and I'm going to have
to call a ball on that one.
As much as I like the presidentand I'm pulling for him,
president, and I'm pulling forhim and I'm praying for him.
Prayed for the previouspresident.
My prayers weren't answered inthat case, but that's all right.
God gets to say no, I'm prayingfor this president, and a lot

(35:22):
of my prayers have been answered, but not all of them.
So I guess I'm not makinganyone totally happy.
And so here's the point.
Tariffs are not the way to do it, because the fundamental plan
for God that God made humanityis he's going to spread his
gifts out over the whole world,and we should be productive and
peaceably exchange with oneanother.
And when we trade with somebodyfrom another country, we both
win.
Not to stop thinking of that.

(35:44):
We got to stop thinking of whenwe buy something from someone,
someone in another country, thatthat was a loss.
No, that's a win too, becausethen they turn around and buy
from us, and so that's win-win.
We've got to think win-win,because God is a God of
abundance.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, well, the thing I didn't really understand too,
jerry, was that if he's goingto be hiking, which is what
we're seeing, actually he'shiking up tariffs.
Well, they said well, we can dothe same thing to you.
It's almost like you know, tosome degree it's like fourth,
yeah, it's like almost like whatthe church does.
Yeah, we're competing with oneanother instead of complimenting
one another, and is that whatyou're saying?
The trade route ought to bethat we compliment one another,

(36:19):
uh, versus trying to hurt oneanother or just be mutually
exclusive to ourselves that'sexactly what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Churches really shouldn't be competing with one
another, they should be blessingone another, and so should
nations.
And here's the thing.
So let's say that we punish anation.
So let's say we say, all right,we're going to make it really
hard to buy iPhones from China.
Okay, now, china is a specialcase because they're kind of a
geopolitical enemy, right?
So I get that we have someproblems with them that aren't

(36:45):
just about economics.
So maybe make it hard to buycomputer chips from Taiwan.
Taiwan's not an enemy, right?
So we punish them.
But what do they do?
I mean, they're not just inert,they punish us, they tariff
stuff from us.
So what do they do?
They import a lot of food.
Guess what?
In America we grow a lot offood, right?

(37:07):
So maybe we put tariffs on theimport of computers and they put
tariffs on the import ofsoybeans, and so we think that
we sided with Americans when weput a tariff to protect steel
workers or protect, maybe,computer manufacturers here.
But what we really did is helpsome Americans at the expense of

(37:27):
other Americans, right?
So we hurt farmers who areexporting to those countries.
Or let's say we like it'sreally hard to say this here.
But let's say, we tariff steel,that raises the price of steel.
Well, OK, but in short, theymake cars and they make them out
of steel.
So we help steel workers but wehurt auto workers.
So we're choosing who to helpand who to hurt, whereas I think

(37:51):
we ought to just be likeexpanding the circle of who
we're helping Right and notmaking those kinds of tradeoffs.
I don't think we have to.
I think God made us to beproductive and we don't have to
think that way.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
So you mentioned the word investors as you were
talking, and when I think abouteconomics, I think about
investment, and I know I'vetalked to a lot of different
people, whether it's familymembers or church members, about
investing their money.
Who should I invest my money in?
You know what company, whatcompany is good, what company is

(38:24):
not good, and I know we wereeven talking about the whole
Disney piece.
You know a lot of people haveinvested their money in Disney.
Now, jerry I don't know if myhusband share it with you I had
to take out of a couple ofDisney movies.
I had to actually take my kidsout of the movie theater Right

(38:46):
Right.
Right, yeah, I mean honestly itprobably wasn't that I mean.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Well, I mentioned the movie.
I don't think it's a problem atall to mention.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
It was.
The one was the Buzz Lightyearmovie.
It was Buzz, I can't remember,and I was actually excited about
seeing it because I said oh,you know, this is kind of like a
remaker, you know of it.
And then there was another one,which I can't remember the title
, but both of those movies.
It was interesting, jerry,because both of those movies,

(39:16):
within maybe 10, I could bebeing really generous with this
but maybe 10, 15 minutes intothe movie there was same sex
innuendo, same sex kissing.
I mean, even right now there'sanother movie that's coming out,
I think it's number three.

(39:38):
It's that movie about theiremotions and inside out, I don't
know if you've, if you saw this, jerry, but the third one
that's coming out, they'resaying what they want to do is
they want to take this littlegirl, this girl that's growing
up.
She was little and she'sgrowing up, but now she's coming
in and he she's, she's comingin tune with her emotions and

(39:59):
her identity and who shebelieves, she is, and she may
like someone of the same sex,and so on and so forth.
So this is what it hasn't comeout yet, but this is what
they're saying.
But I had to.
Actually, you know, jerry, Iwas at a point where I wasn't
ready to have theseconversations with my young kids

(40:20):
, but I was actually forced to,because they push that right in
their face.
And I said you know what, guys,we're going to leave.
And of course they were likewell, why, what's going on?
Why do we have to leave?
Mom, I'll tell you when we getin the car.
And I kindly walked out and, um, or graciously walked out, went
to the desk and I said can Ihave?

(40:41):
I asked for my money back, youknow, and said we can't see this
movie.
And surprisingly, I didn't getany pushback.
They gave me my money back, butI had to go in in the car and
really share with them.
Hey guys, this is inappropriate, this is from the enemy.

(41:03):
This is why we don't do this,and I think you know it's funny,
jerry.
I think even with investmentsand things like that, we don't
know, like I didn't know thatthat was coming when I went in
that movie.
I didn't know that that's whatwe were going to watch, and I
think on the same and I don'tknow if you would say the same
thing even when we're investingour money, are there things that
maybe Christians are investingtheir money in, in places where

(41:26):
they're investing their money inthat they are totally unaware
of where their money is going.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Right?
I think that's true they are.
So there's kind of two ways togo with that.
One is I won't invest my moneythere because I'm profiting off
of it or because I'm associatingwith sinful things.
Or there's another way to takethat, which is wait a minute,
I've invested my money there,I'm an owner, I'm the adult

(41:55):
supervision, you're the mom as ashareholder to Disney, not just
to your girls at the Disneymovie.
I'm going to attend the nextannual meeting as a shareholder
which you can log on to, by theway and I'm going to speak my
mind, because how did Disney getthere?
Disney is committing suicide.

(42:15):
Disney is a very poorlyperforming company.
By the way, their annual meetingwas last week, just in the
province of God.
We're talking about it, so welogged on.
Talking about it, so we loggedon.
We actually one of the thingswe do in our business is we help
investors put proposals on theballots of these companies.
So they have an annual meetingevery year, just like there's an

(42:36):
election in America, right?
You elect Congress, you electpresident.
Well, every year they have anelection at all these companies.
They elect the board ofdirectors, they choose the
auditor, and then they havethese questions that are on the
ballot.
One of the questions that putto Disney is we want you to do a
report about the risk of yougetting involved in all this
LGBTQ problem.

(42:59):
You have a relationship with thehuman rights campaign.
You participate in theircorporate equality index.
It's not really equality.
Corporate equality index.
You have a score of 100.
How did you get a score of 100?
You put sexually inappropriatecontent in children's movies and
you pay for sexual transitiontreatments for the minor

(43:21):
children of employees.
So you're paying for pubertyblockers for little boys who
think for a moment be littleboys.
That's how you get a 100 fromthe human rights campaign.
We want you, disney, to do a,to do an internal study, and we
want you to come back and talkto us about the risks of these
things.
We want to know that you'retaking the risk of this

(43:42):
seriously.
Okay, so that's steering theconversation.
We had meetings with high levelDisney executives.
By the way, they wereunteachable.
They're stubborn.
We've had a lot of meetingsthis year.
We've had a lot of successes,but they do not want to
acknowledge.
One thing you can do is you candivest, but if you're invested,

(44:13):
you can make a difference.
So, but what I with?
The worst outcome is if yourmoney is weaponized against you.
So that proposal that we, thatsome of our friends helped put
forward, only got one percentsupport from the shareholders.
Ninety nine percent votedagainst it.
Now we know from the recentelection, americans concerned

(44:34):
about trans and children issomething like 90%.
Yeah.
So why does something that gets90% support, when we're in an
election and we know what's itabout, only gets 1% support?
Because we have entrusted ourmoney and our voice to people
who are completely averse to ourvalues.

(44:54):
So anybody who, any Christianwho owns Disney.
I can just tell you there's a99% probability that your money
was voted to say keep it up,disney, great job.
We don't care about transtreatments for kids, that's
perfectly fine with us.
Keep up with the same sexkisses A plus to you.

(45:16):
That's how Christian's moneywas voted, and they didn't even
know it.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, so deeply offensive to me.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Jerry, how do we, how do we know where our money's
going?
I mean, what are the ways thatwe can get educated?
Is it just getting aroundpeople like you?
Is it books we need to read?
Is it something that's on thenews?
I mean, how did you come acrossthis type of information?

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yeah, it's really hard, it's like super detailed,
so we spend like this is almostmy full time now is reading
these proposals.
It's really hard for anordinary investor to do it.
But if you have a financialplanner or a financial advisor,
talk to them about it and let metell you what they're going to
say.
They're going to say they don'tknow and they're not going to
want to talk about it becausethey don't know.

(45:58):
And financial professionalsdon't like to tell their clients
that they don't know aboutsomething that's important and
they like to pretend that theyknow everything.
But if you do that, I'll take acall or they can reach out to
me from a financial advisor or afinancial planner and I'll help
them get their Christianclients' money voting.

(46:18):
It's not where their money'sgoing, it's how their money's
voting.
That matters to me.
I've got no problem ifsomebody's invested in Disney.
I mean, I'm not going to shamesomebody if they're invested in
these companies.
Mean, I'm not going to shamesomebody if they're invested in
these companies.
But what I am going to say isbut don't have your investment,
be voting.
You're complaining about thesethings and then you're voting to
continue these things becausethe people that you rely on to

(46:40):
help guide you financially arenot paying any attention to this
, and I understand why it's hardand it's complicated and it's
secretive, but only one of ushas to pay attention, and that's
what we're doing, and so we canhelp financial advisors and
financial planners get theirclients where they want to be,
which would be sending a loudand clear message to Disney cut

(47:03):
it out, think about what you'redoing.
We own you.
Disney, the shareholders arethe owners and we forget that we
have authority and we don'texercise that authority.
Disney owes an explanation toevery investor in Disney and
they haven't given it.
And let's demand theexplanations.

(47:23):
And when someone puts a proposalon the ballot saying we demand
an explanation.
Let's have Christians and notjust Christians.
Like I said, 80 percent ofAmericans maybe 90, think that
little boys should not be givenchemicals that stop them from
ever growing into men.
That I'm not even describe whathappens.
We all know what happens.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah, shrieking.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Exactly what happens.
We all know what happens?
Yeah, Exactly what it is.
It's a horrible, horrible thing.
It would be considered a warcrime around the world and in
human history if we weren't in amadness here and Disney's
pushing that stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
And.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Christians are voting to tell them to continue to
push that stuff.
So we need to get educated, andI'll educate any financial
professional who wants to takethis responsibility seriously.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
You know, jared, I think it's so important too.
I just want to mention thisreal quickly, that that's why I
think you're so needed in thisday and hour.
I think this is where thechurch needs to pivot, in this
day and hour where we get morefocused on not just religious
things and teaching the Biblefrom a spiritual perspective.
Even religious things andteaching the Bible from a
spiritual perspective, even whenGod created man, he created him
spirit, soul and body, allthree of those the Bible caters

(48:34):
towards and understand.
I think we do a great job atthe spiritual side and then we
try to make everything that's aproblem, including the economy,
something that is spiritual, andthat's not always the case.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
No, I mean, in addition to what you're saying.
You know everybody that'swatching.
If you have investments in acertain company, you know.
I think what Jerry shared is soimportant.
You know we are investing incertain companies, but we don't
even know where our money isgoing and how, how it's voted on
.
So I think you know, jerry, canthe people that are watching

(49:09):
okay, say if they have, say ifthey do have, shares in Disney
right now, how can they go aboutmaking their voice heard on a
both an effective andinfluential, in an influential
way?
You know how can they do that.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah, and let me say something, just one more thing
about sometimes Christians justgoing immediately to like
divesting from it like notinvesting in it.
I wouldn't have been able toattend Disney's annual meeting
last week if none of my clientsowned Disney.
Right, we wouldn't have beenable to put that proposal on the
ballot if none of them owned.
So now I do get.
People have a conscience issueand like it's like you meet,
sacrifice to idols.
If it bothers your conscience,you shouldn't own Target or

(49:55):
Disney.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, that's right, starbucks, starbucks, If it
bothers your conscience.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
If you think it's wrong, you can't do it.
That's what Roman.
That's what Paul told Romans.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
If you think it's wrong, it has to be a faith.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
If it's not a faith, it's sin.
But that doesn't mean it'sinherently wrong.
It means that you have tofollow your conscience.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
And we shouldn't condemn others for that as well.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Great point, great point.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
If you don't want to do that, that's fine, but don't
condemn other people becausethey chose to go to Starbucks.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Yeah, exactly, and there's a lot of that.
So in the Christian financialindustry there's a whole lot of
people who make money by settingup special funds that don't
have any sin in them.
It's like I don't know how thatworks, because companies are
made of humans.
And they'll charge a lot extrafor the privilege of keeping you
out of sin, right, and that'show they make their living, and

(50:45):
they'll shame you for doing that.
It's like, no, you're allowedto eat meat.
It's perfectly okay if you'rein Corinth and you have the gyro
, the lamb meat, you're allowedto have that, but don't shame
people.
All right, so people have tohave that voice.
So one of the things they cando is you know how many shares.
You have to have to attend theannual meeting.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Probably just one.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
That's it, yeah.
And so you get a littlestatement in the mail if you own
just one share and hassomething called the control
number.
And I did a video for AmericanFamily Association that hasn't
been released yet where we teachpeople how to do it.
Because you know, when Disneycame out against that bill,
which basically said don't bringup sexual stuff with
kindergartners, disney came outagainst that bill.
I attended that meeting onlineand at the beginning of the

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meeting the CEO of Disney didn'twant to touch the issue.
He was smart, he knew it wasdangerous.
But there was question afterquestion after question after
question for an hour and a halfof him being attacked by
activists and by the end he wasbeaten down and he was a coward,
frankly, and said okay, we'regoing to fight the don't say gay

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bill, which isn't really adon't say gay bill, and that was
that was so destructive to thecompany.
People stopped going to themeparks.
They got, they got in a fightwith the governor.
The governor took away controlof the of the city that they,
that they controlled.
I mean it hurt Disney, butlet's.
But it's about 150 questions.
There was not a single questionfrom our side, not one, just

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question after question from theother side.
What if there had been 300Christians who were asking their
questions at that?

Speaker 1 (52:18):
end.
But to your point, jerry, Ithink that's the issue is that I
mean even us right now.
I mean what I'm hearing you say.
I'm like, wow, my mind juststarts going all these different
areas, like, well, why don'tChristians start investing into
some of these places so we canhave a seat at the table and be
able to use their voice.
And then therefore, obviously,at the end of the day, disney

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and all these other people thathave different organizations,
they want to make money.
So if the all their owners andthe people that are the
contributors to there, and thepeople that are not sponsors but
what's the word Shareholders Ifthey're the ones that are
saying we don't want this,they're going to adjust to the
shareholders because, like yousaid, the shareholders are the

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ones that own it.
But which leads me to why we'rehaving this right now.
If we get education on economy,the kingdom side, the anointing
track and the business track,and merge them together, imagine
the influence we could have.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
So, jerry, just as both of you are talking, I'm
thinking, and I don't know ifthere's anything like this right
now, but it would be great ifyou had a organization full of
Christians that saidorganization full of Christians
that said we are going to raisemoney and this money is going to

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be funneled in to investinginto these places so that we can
make a difference.
Is there anything like that?

Speaker 3 (53:38):
I've heard people talk about it, so it basically
you would be investing in theworst, right?
You're not investing in thebest, you're investing in the
worst, so you can have a good,so you can have a voice.
Yeah, it's like Jesus eatingwith tax collectors and
prostitutes, right, right.
But he doesn't just eat, hetalks.
He's got a purpose in beingthere.
I do know some situations thatare confidential, with some like

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highly placed people Sure,they're running.
So there's like screens thatyou can put on.
You can say to your financialadvisor I don't want to invest
in any company that's involvedwith sex trafficking, right?
So there's somebody that we'vebeen working with to say wait a
minute, let's turn those screensaround, let's.
Why don't you only invest incompanies that are involved in

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sex trafficking?
You don't?
have to buy a lot right, youinvest in companies that are
involved in sex trafficking.
You don't have to buy a lotright, you're just buying enough
you can get in the door, right.
And then you say, well, I don'twant to profit from that.
Great, don't profit from it.
Take it all, give it toanti-trafficking organizations,
right?
If they pay a dividend, give itto fight trafficking, but get
that seat at the only invest youknow, invest in the company

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that are the worst.
Yeah, seat at the table so youcan say to them what you're
doing isn't right, what you'redoing is going to damage you in
the long run yeah, not just inthe afterlife, but here too, and
you need to take these thingsseriously.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Jerry, you know real quick on the whole thing with
Jamal Bryant.
I don't know if you know whatJamal Bryant is.
He's the one, he's the blackpastor out of Atlanta that's
been doing this thing withTarget.
He told all of his church to goon like a 40 day fast for
Target because the whole DEIpiece and all that stuff.
Well, he's going about thewrong way then, wouldn't he?
Because really you want to goto the shareholders meeting.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
That's really.
They captured Target, See.
I mean, what's happened is forabout 30 years the other side
has been showing up atshareholder meetings and we
haven't, we didn't even know wecould.
So shareholder engagement iswhat got these companies off
track.
So boycotts don't really changecompanies very much.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Not at all.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Right and divesting, like I won't invest in them
because they're evil.
That doesn't change.
The companies don't even knowyou didn't invest in it.
Like you know, people don'tsend a letter saying I would
have invested in you, disney,but you know, but because of
that same sex kiss, I won't.
The company's, just somebodyelse buys the shares.
It's showing up and being apain in the neck.
That makes a difference.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
And you can do that as an owner.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
So I think that that boycott thing about GDI.
I don't think that's reallygoing to work very well.
What works is being an ownerand showing up and sticking with
it, learning the rules.
I think about a lot that Jesustold the parable of the
importunate widow she just keepsknocking and knocking.
So I have a lot of meetingswith these companies Susan and I
do and other members of my teamand a lot of times it's like
knocking and there's no justicefrom the judge.

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But we started talking to Targetfour years ago and they just
did not want to hear it and wesaid what you're doing is so
unwise, it's so risky, you'rehurting the brand.
And we even started to talkabout the spiritual state.
Like I talked to the investorrelations person, I said I just
want you to think aboutsomething for a minute.
You banned a book that saidthat children should not get sex
change operations.
You banned that book.

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That book made the argumentIrreversible Damage is the name
of the book made the argumentfor why it's risky to stick
these chemicals into kids.
Right, just think for a moment.
What if that book's argument isright?
And what if somebody would haveread the book but they didn't
because you banned it?
And then they went ahead andunderwent sex change and

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regretted it terribly.
Do you really want that on yourconscience?
To think about what that meansthat you did that?
Now we can talk about business.
It's going to hurt your brand.
It's going to hurt your sales.
Eventually there's going to bea backlash, but for now you
don't see that yet.
So let me get you to seesomething else.
I want you to think about themoral dimension of being partly

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responsible for some boy who, at25, says my God, what did I do
Right, do Right.
Some girl put her breasts offand said I'll never.
You know, I'll never feel rightagain because nobody warned me,
because the books that werewarning, that were banned from
Amazon or from Target.

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So, but eventually, nowTarget's learning.
But it's been a very, verypainful lesson for them.
But that's the terrible, theinput.
We've been knocking at thatdoor for four years and people
said you're wasting your time.
It's like, well, it's God'stime.
So you know, we'll see if we'rewasting it and you know,
eventually, recently Target didchange a bunch of things.

(58:18):
They have a long way to go.
They did yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, they did.
Well, you know, at the end ofthe day, it sounds like the
money talks, money's talkinghere.
If you have the money to investand I think that's where we
really need to pray Lord, giveus the finances, give us the
tools that we need to reallyinvest.
And honestly, jerry, this neverthought.

(58:45):
You know, like a company likeDisney and having the
experiences that I have had, Iwould have never thought, oh,
invest in them so that I canhave a voice to ultimately
change.
Change and shift the trajectoryof Disney.
You know, I would have neverthought that and I think, really

(59:05):
, even just to go further anddeeper, I think it's really
getting the, the mind of Christ,getting kingdom wisdom on all
this as we're moving forward, aswe're.
You know cause, I would havenever thought I wrote down um,
you said, at the meeting theybrought up, um, the, the with
kindergartners, the sexualthings with kindergartners.

(59:27):
You know, just touching on that, I would have never thought
that we would be talking aboutthat with Disney.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Yeah, a wholesome family brand.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Yeah, wholesome.
I mean, I remember growing upwatching different Disney shows
and things like that that wereconsidered you're right, jerry,
that were considered wholesome.
Now we're looking at whether ornot they're going to strip the
innocence from our children inone show.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
And at the end of the day, they don't even like to
your point, Jerry, which I mean.
Ladies and gentlemen, I hopethat you're really catching this
, Jerry.
I'm going to do everything Ican.
I want to see if we can get youback on cornerstone, Because I
think this is needs the way thechurch needs to pivot,
absolutely, you know, is thatbecause like you said, we can
preach on it and people cannotgo.

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But as long as some shareholderskeep investing into Disney and
they have the stronger voice,disney is going to do whatever
it is that the shareholders want, because they're held captive
by, just like our, ourpoliticians are held captive by
the people that invest into them.
Uh, so if they pay them acertain amount of money to help
get them into that office andthey're owned because they're in
bed with those individuals?
Let me ask this question,though, jerry, like if, if you
say, for example, we said, hey,all right, we're gonna start
investing, we get one share intodisney, right, so we're gonna

(01:00:42):
get as many shares as wepossibly can.
Ethically, like biblically, howwould we?
For me it sounds right, but I'mtalking out loud right now, so
those that are listening, if I'moff the kilter right now, I'll
come back and I'll adjust it.
But what I'm hearing you say islike what if we started doing
things like that?
We got one, two, three.
Then we started getting moreand more voices to go to, and
then any money we make, we takethat and either reinvest it or

(01:01:05):
go to like target and say, well,we're going to start having
voices there.
And because you actually do kindof like a hostile takeover in
essence with your voice bycontinually going after those
things.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Right, but in some sense right, it's a takeover,
but not a hostile one, becausethey're they're harming
themselves, right.
So it's, it's, it's well.
I mean, what is the bottomtakeover?

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Kingdom takeover, right and well, it's an exorcism
, isn't it yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
right, I mean these, these spirits are not helping
the companies that's right, yeah, so yeah, I.
I mean, I think that's that'sthe right approach.
And you think about this, likesometimes people say you can't
be invested in something that'snot aligned with your values and
I think, well, wait a minute,jesus, invested in me, uh,
something that's not alignedwith your values and I think

(01:01:52):
well, wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Jesus invested in me and I wasn't aligned with his
values To get us to shift.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Yeah Right, he bought me, he bought us, he engaged
and he changed me Like I wasn't.
I wasn't aligned with Jesuswhen he bought me.
So he invested everything in meand then he changed me.
So he invested everything in meand then he changed me right as
the owner, as the owner.

(01:02:14):
He's my owner because he's mycreator, but he's my owner also
because he's my redeemer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
He owns me twice.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
He bought me right On the cross, and so now he gets
to tell me what to do.
Right, and he aligned me withhis values.
And so Jesus could have saidwell, I don't want anything to
do with that, that's all sinful.
I don't want anything to dowith Jerry Boyer.
He's an atheist.
He's getting in fights all thetime, he's getting drunk.
I mean, I don't need to go intomy teenage years and do much

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more.
You know, I would not have beensomeone that you know.
If Jesus was a good investorfrom the standpoint of the way
that a lot of Christians thinkabout investment, he would not
have invested in me.
But he did, and then he changedme and I think we need to think
of these companies the same way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Man, this is so good.
Jerry, this is like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
I mean, there's very few times I'm like completely
lost for words, like man.
We got to get this message out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Well, I think too, it's we're digesting.
Yeah, all of this digesting it,and I hope you all are doing
the same thing digesting it andsaying, ok, lord, what's my next
step?
What do I need to do to have animpact, a kingdom impact, and
have influence in the world?
You know, it's just, it'samazing.

(01:03:26):
Yeah, it really is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
And Jerry, obviously I said I mean we could keep you
here all night, but we're notgoing to do that, we could just
keep you rolling, cause it'sjust so.
I mean, man, it's just so good.
I hope that you'll come backlater on and do a part two for
us somewhere down the line,because I you got my wheels
going now.
I'm like man, you know what,even if you start with one share
, and I think about like thistoo, jerry, like if you start

(01:03:48):
investing and God sees that andyou're not using those products,
you're not doing it to costthing, like you said, even if
they have sex trafficking, well,guess what?
We get enough people in there,we can go in there and talk
about it, and then we use themoney, like you said, to set the
people that are being sextrafficked free you know,
however, we choose to do it, butthinking differently, and I
think that's why it comes backto how we started this whole
thing the business track and theanointing track, and they both

(01:04:11):
have to go hand in hand.
So, jerry, thank you so muchfor this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I appreciate it.
Matter of fact, jerry, you know, just on a side note, I'm
underneath the table hitting him, pushing him, saying let me in.
I have some more questionspeople hitting him, pushing him,
saying let me in, I have somemore questions.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
And I'm dead serious.
I am going to go, I'm going tomake sure that I'm going to take
this to Steve Johnson atCornerstone and anybody that can
hear and say this needs to beshared.
I think this could spark arevolution in Christian people,
Without a doubt.
I don't know many people thateven know her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
No, no, I mean just the way, because you don't think
.
You think, okay, I'm not goingto, I'm going to go away from
those things that are not of God, I'm not going to have anything
to do with them at all.
But you know, for obviousreasons, because we don't
understand economy because wedon't understand and we don't
understand and and jerry, youdid such a great job with this

(01:05:09):
and explaining it we don'tunderstand how to shift yeah
economy.
So not only do we not understandeconomy, we don't know how to
shift economy as well so now Imean, that's just, that's true
wisdom, that's true kingdomwisdom, and for that we greatly
appreciate you sharing that withus and causing our minds to

(01:05:31):
start turning, or wheels to turn, and really we just have a
different perspective on how toview kingdom economics.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Any closing thoughts man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
More than that.
Thank you.
God bless you for that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Yes, thank you Any closing thoughts to us, jerry?
I mean you dropped a boatloadon us you did.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
This is the time People have talked about a vibe
shift.
I don't know if you've heardthat phrase, but now we're
talking differently.
It's it's sort of coming out ofpolitics.
The people are talkingdifferently and they're bolder
Now.
I know there's vibes don't runthe world Right, the Holy Spirit
Right.
So it's not a vibe shift, it'sa shift in the Holy Spirit.
But but the Holy Spirit doesn'talways hang around forever in

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the places where we don't tapinto him.
So the Holy Spirit I mean, I'mnot saying it'll leave us and
we'll lose our salvation, butthe Holy Spirit has these times
where he comes along and invitesus to be part of it.
But we have to participate andthere has never been a time when
it's less scary to speak up,because there's been a mood in

(01:06:36):
the country now, two years agothere were things if you're
afraid, if you said them you'dbe canceled, yeah, and now
that's all shifting.
If Christians can't find theirvoice now come on, that's then
that they're never going to findit because this is this is an
easy time right now yeah, yeah,that's so true and I think if we

(01:06:57):
don't take advantage of thiseasy time, we're going to get a
harder time than it was before Itotally agree so this is an
opening?
I think there's an opening.
Go through now, don't wait.
Right, there's a part ofJericho, a part of the wall fell
down.
Christians might say oh.
I mean those who supportedTrump might say we won, it's
over, right as if the electionwould be the victim of a victory

(01:07:20):
of the kingdom.
A part of the wall fell down.
Now, whether you think that'sthe election or whether you
think other things going on inthe kingdom or whatever, I'm
just saying I think allChristians get a sense we can
move now, we can talk, we canbreathe a little bit more right
at this moment in history.
I credit God with that.
I don't credit Donald Trumpwith that.
I credit God.
Go through that opening in thewall, because otherwise the city

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will just rebuild the wall.
Right.
What did Jesus say?
On this rock I'll build mychurch and the gates of hell
will not prevail against it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Can we please remember that gates are?

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
defensive, that's right.
The kingdom of Satan isdefensive.
We're laying siege to it, ohgood.
And the wall and a part of thewall just fell.
What are we going to do?
Are we going to go in or not?
Are we going to ravage it?
Are we going to go in there andbind the strong man and plunder
his house, or are we just goingto stay out here and whine and

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complain?
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
That is so good, jerry, you know, mean I, I, I
don't even know how to pivotfrom this because, uh, it's just
been so good.
Yeah, you do.
But uh, listen before we go,let you go.
Uh, we, we usually do it upfront, but we jumped right in,
so, uh, can we ask you to be apart of our would you rather,
segment?
I don't know.

(01:08:45):
Well, our producer went alittle bit sooner than he was
supposed to go, I guess.
So I guess you're already in,jeremy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
You just don't know it, you're already in, I'll do
the Would you Rather segment.
Awesome, awesome I don't knowwhat it is, but I trust you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Well, you know what?
We just want to have a littlefun.
And this is just a question ofwould you rather do A or would
you rather do B?
So the first question is andthis is great because we're
coming right off of our economicinvestment talk, investment

(01:09:31):
talk.
Would you rather, Jerry, have$1 million, but you can only
live for the next five to sevenyears?
Or would you rather live on$45,000 a year for the rest of
your life, but see, with thatyou can't make any more money?
So it's $40,000 a year flat.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
So it's $40,000 a year flat, I'll take the second.
Okay, I got a lot of work to do, you know, and I don't think I
can get done what I think Godwants me to do in the next five
to seven years.
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
I was curious on what the economist would say.
I thought maybe he'd take the$40,000.
Or would he take that?

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
and do the investment ?

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
or would he take the $1 million and say I can do this
, so no for me.
That's what I said too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
I've lived on $45,000 before I can do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
There we go, All right.
So the next couple of questions.
I'm just going to go biblical,straight biblical.
So would you rather beswallowed by a fish with Jonah
or share the lion's den withDaniel?

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Well, it was only one night with the lion's den,
whereas the three days, it wasI'm going to go to the lion's
den.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Okay, good, what would you do?
Well, I'll say, that's theeconomist mind operating right
there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
He's like all right, let me take your three days.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
one day he's got it all figured out there.
That's costly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Well, you know what, jerry?
I kind of liked how it ended up, because now it's at the end.
After talking with you a littlebit, I'm just really interested
to see where you're going to gowith it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Well, if I know the end from the beginning first of
all, jonah, I believe in whatmost people believe, that he
died, yeah, and so, first of all, and that you can slowly be
digested in there, yes, so Imean there's a whole lot of
stuff.
Then he got spewed up on theline, daniel, you know, he, he,
he didn't do that, but just usedthe line as a pillow.
He did, so I think I'll takethe lines then Mr Mrs Vanna

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White, for that I'm going totake that there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
OK, I like the mammals more than the fish too.
I like the mammals more thanthe fish too.
You know, like you know, in thenature shows, I always find the
mammal, like the alligator, isgoing after the wildebeest.
I'm going for the wildebeest,all right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Usually the wildebeest.
They mind their own businessanyway, you know.
So all right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
You know, so All right.
Last question is would yourather help build Noah's Ark or
name the?

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
animals like Adam.
Oh, now we're going back towhat we talked about.
I'm not good at carpentry.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
OK.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
I like animals.
I'm going, I'm going back tothe garden where we started this
interview.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Where we started it Nice, nice that is so good.
Yeah, oh man, what about you?
I started this interview whenwe started it Nice, nice, that
is so good.
Yeah, oh man, what about you?

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
I like building stuff ?
Yeah, I do.
I mean that's 120 yearcommitment though, jerry, I
ain't gonna lie.
I mean the animals out in thehall, I took them, but I bet it
wasn't 120 years, that was 120year commitment.
But you know, know also, theylived to like 900 years old at
that time too.
So I mean it's about a tenth ofyour life.
So that'd be like now if youtook, uh, what would it be like?

(01:12:30):
10 years to our hundred?
yeah yeah around about you knowkind of.
So I don't know.
I mean, uh, I probably do thearc.
I think that'd be kind of neatto check that out and never see
that yeah, that'd be pretty cooland then I'd be able to see all
the animals that Jerry named.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
So, jerry, this is just I'm just saying here.
You heard him say, you said youlike to build stuff right.
Ok, well, I have some projects,Jerry, in the house.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
This was recorded.
This was recorded.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Yeah, so he likes to build.
So I'm going to see, I'm goingto give you some, some items to
build in that that doesn't meanI'm any good, I just like it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
You know I like economy stuff too, jerry, but
I'm not good at it.
You know like you are, you knowwell.
Thank you so much, jerry.
We really appreciate you forbeing a good sport and then also
just sharing with us you know,just all the knowledge that you
have and just giving us all adeeper insight into how we can
have a greater voice in this,really this Kairos moment, where

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the church needs to pivot andshift to be able to have their
voice heard and maybe even seethis great awakening happen
using economy and biblicalthings.
So thanks so much for hangingout with us today on Dimensions.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Thank you, it was a pleasure Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Such a blessing.
Amen, god bless you.
So, my goodness, I mean, Idon't, know what to say.
We usually don't go this long,y'all but man, this is so good,
I want to get it back for parttwo and part three.
And I mean I've always knownhim to be such a man of
knowledge and wisdom and everytime I'm with him he's always

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just bring something brand.
That's why I was like man I wasI'm advocating for him to get
his own show somewhere.
So I mean cause, just.
I mean imagine what that coulddo in us If we all started, even
if we started with oneinvestment.
I feel like whenever you're agood steward over something, you
say, okay, I'm going to takethe first step, and then maybe
some of you that have money thatcan invest, I and there may be
some of you that have money thatcan invest.

(01:14:27):
So you know, I'm going to goinvest into Disney, I'm going to
invest.
And I was thinking what ifchurches all got together and
said we're going to startraising all these funds to be
able to invest in thesedifferent places?
So then we could send peoplelike Jerry into those arenas to
speak to those that know theBible and then have a voice from
all of us going in there.
You get 10 Jerry's on there togo into these different places

(01:14:48):
like Target and Disney, and Ididn't get a chance to ask him.
Any other businesses might belike.
It could be Starbucks and allthat instead of just boycotting
and not imagine that though thatwould really hurt them If you
said, okay, not only are we notgoing to support them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
You boycott a friend, but then you go into the
shareholders meeting with avoice, I mean you could turn
them places upside down becausethey want to make money.
At the end of the day, that'sthe bottom line.
Whether it's preaching Jesus oranything else, they want to
make money.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Well, you know, you mentioned about taking the one
step.
I believe that's what God isasking us to do.
He's saying just take that onestep, take that one step towards
investing.
If he's called you to do that,take that one step.
You know, I think about us andour pregnancy center.
We took that one step and thatnext step led us to another step

(01:15:36):
, and then that step led us toanother step and God provided.
But I think if we all gottogether and we said you know
what we're as Christians, aspeople that love God, as
ambassadors of the kingdom ofheaven, we're all going to take
that one step together.
We're going to develop whateverorganization and we're going to

(01:15:56):
say we're going to raise thismoney and we're going to start
becoming major shareholders andwe're going to watch things
shift, watch what God does, andwe add our faith to that,
because we know that the Lord ismoved by faith.
We add our faith to that.
I think it's going to blow ourminds what God can do when we

(01:16:20):
start doing that, and how eventhe economy will shift more
towards a kingdom economy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
And then we can do a part two, hopefully someday with
Jerry.
We can get them on there andask them questions like you know
, what could be the success rate?
How?
How would we gauge that?
How do we?
How do we?
You know what, what couldhappen, what are the results of
that?
What if we start doing this?
What would it look likelong-term, a year or two years
down the line?
I mean, because I think ifpeople understood this, I think

(01:16:45):
a lot of people would investinto that.
I already got me thinking like,even if I get one share at
first, or two shares or threeshares, whatever it is, and then
any of the residual money youget now you buy six or whatever
you do, you just keep putting itback in for the purpose of
having all these people withvoices be able to speak to truth
, to power.
So I mean, this is just reallyoutstanding, so just really good

(01:17:08):
stuff.
Any closing?

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
thoughts.
Well, I just wrote so many.
I hope you had your notepad too.
I wrote so many nuggets oftruth I mean I could.
I think one of the things thatkind of stood out to me was he
said, the kingdom of darkness,the gates, means you're on
defense.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
The gates of hell are on defensive.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
So there's something that the enemy obviously is
scared of.
He doesn't want us to come andpush up against him.
But you know what?
All things, even when we'retalking about this, all things
are possible when you serve theLord.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
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dimensions.
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We've got so many other thingsthat are going to be coming up
as well, and we wish we couldtake forever to talk to y'all,
but we know we got to get out ofhere.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Well, next week listen, you do not want to miss.
Next week we have our sister inChrist.
Her name is Tammy.
She actually came and spoke tothe women at our women's
ministry and boy I mean, if youdon't.
I mean, her testimony ispowerful, she's a worship leader

(01:18:43):
, she loves God, but she's goingto talk to everybody about her
process of losing children, thehealing process and what God did
.
So you don't want to miss it.
If there's anybody that youknow that has lost children,
lost a loved one, and maybe thatyou know somebody that's still

(01:19:03):
grieving out there, that needshelp, that needs some guidance,
you want to make sure that youtune in.
You know, I think about justhow awesome a woman of God she
is and what God her, what Godbrought her through and out of.
It's amazing.
You don't want to miss it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
So we've got a whole lot of other conversations that
are going to happen.
People like Jerry, people likeTammy, people so many other
people that are going to becoming on.
That's what I love aboutdimensions there's levels to
this, so we're going to talkabout every facet of life.
So thank you for taking sometime with us today.
We hope that you are blessedand we'll look forward to seeing
you next week right here ondimensions.
Thank you.

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