Life After Abortion: Helping Post-Abortive Parents Find Wholeness and Healing.

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The shame and silence surrounding abortion creates a massive barrier to healing, but God's redemption is available to anyone willing to take that first step toward freedom.

• Pam Irizarry shares how she reluctantly became involved with Deeper Still after her own daughter revealed her abortion experience
• The spiritual and emotional impact of abortion affects both women and men in profound ways
• Post-abortion trauma can create disconnection in relationships, especially between mothers and living children
• The abortion pill creates new challenges and trauma that require special healing approaches
• Complete healing often requires extensive prayer coverage to combat spiritual warfare
• Healing isn't an instant process but a journey that transforms individuals, marriages, and generations
• Deeper Still offers free retreats for anyone seeking healing from abortion trauma

Call Deeper Still Pittsburgh at 724-972-3431 or visit deeperstillpittsburgh.org to register for their next retreat on April 11-13. There is no cost to attend.

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I mean geez.

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Speaker 2 (06:09):
What else we got?
Godly marriage and, even withinmarriage, healing in a marriage
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There's many marriages outthere that you're in need of
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You're in need of some revivingand restoring in your marriage.
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about, so I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Amen, amen, amen.
It's going to be great, y'all.
So, and today, speaking ofhealing, we've got somebody
phenomenal that we're about tobring on in just a second.
As y'all know, we are involvedin the pro-life fight and we
opened up a pregnancy centerback in April of 21.
As a matter of fact, we'recoming up on four years.
I don't know why it seems likeit's longer, but I mean, we've
accomplished a lot in four yearsand I think that's why we have

(06:55):
accomplished a lot.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I mean, we've saved nearly 60 babies, just for
everybody who knows about us andwho's praying about praying for
us, we just received our newstate of the art ultrasound
machine.
So I just want to thank all ofyou for all of your prayers,
support, financial supportthat's helped us get here, so we
will actually be transitioningto a full blown medical center

(07:18):
here in the near future.
So thank you.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Some of you might have heard us talk about this
for a little while now, but ittakes a minute Most of the times
.
It take two years to open apregnancy center and a year to
save your first baby.
I thought we was pushing past60 already, but you would know
better than me, but I've beentelling people almost 70.
So I guess I'm off a little bit.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
That's in faith that we're believing God.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
But regardless to save 60 babies and under four
years to start a pregnancycenter with no money, no help,
no anything.
Now we got help as we went, butI mean like we didn't go into
it with somebody financing us.
We just went in faith, did whatGod called us to do and he has
blessed us and, like I said,this will be our fifth gala
coming up in August.
Our fifth gala.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Wow, number five and these galas are absolutely
amazing.
I mean we have some of the bestspeakers that come into town
and God is always there.
I mean the atmosphere is trulycharged with the Holy Spirit and
every year I've noticed it getsbetter and better and better.
So keep a lookout.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
We're going to be sending out the save the dates
cards here in a little bit.
So what we do at the PregnancyCenter is we help people that
are abortion minded, that wantto have an abortion and try to
stop and intercept them, educatewomen, empower women from the
womb to the tomb.
Even after we're done, helpingthem save their baby, we still
are in their lives.
That's what's cool about whatwe do.
At our gala.
We have a mom's table.

(08:39):
I think we have a couple ofmom's table, probably this year,
of all different ladies thathave said yes and now their
babies are growing up.
So now we'll have to be there,maybe four and five you're
almost five years old, uh,coming in.
It's just really cool to seeactually three or four years old
, if I, if I have it right, uh.
But my point is that these arebabies that would have been
murdered but now they've beensaved.
But you know, there are sometimes that people don't, uh,

(09:02):
don't make it to a pregnancycenter.
They end up saying yes toabortion and no to life, and so
what do we do with them?
And that's where our next guesthere she is somebody that that
is her mission and vision.
She's been doing a phenomenaljob, and what they do is they
minister to women and men thathave had abortions and that are

(09:23):
experiencing residual effects,trauma or whatever else that's
going on.
But you work with her a lotcloser than I do.
She's a friend of both of ours,but why don't you introduce her
and bring her up today?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
She is Well.
She is a great friend.
I love about our friendship.
We were talking yesterdayactually, and it's amazing, even
if we've spent some monthsapart not really talking
consistently.
It's amazing Soon as wereconnect, it's like it's
automatically there again.
So I appreciate her, we loveher.
She's a woman of God, she's amother, a grandmother, she is a

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leader in the community, in thepro-life community, in her
church, and I don't know if shehas.
I feel like she should havesome books coming out or
something she should be writingbooks.
So we'll find that out, but wewant to welcome the executive
director of Deeper Still, pamIrizarry, with us here.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
It's so nice to be here.
It's so nice to be with you.
I'm really excited this morningor this evening.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yes, well, it is so good to have you with us.
You know you are such aphenomenal woman of God.
I think that's first andforemost.
You're a phenomenal woman ofGod.
You're a phenomenal friend,leader, just advocate for the
pro-life area sector, and that Ilove the fact that you have a

(10:51):
heart for healing, you have aheart to see people set free and
made whole by the power of theHoly Spirit.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
So that's right.
And listen before we go alldeep into this stuff though we
like to keep it a little lightjust for a moment, because we
always have like a littlemonologue that we like to do but
we have a little segment calledWould you Rather, that we'd
like you to participate in justa moment.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
All right, pam.
Well, listen, we are foodies,we love food.
He's more of a foodie foodielike meat and potatoes.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
I'm more of a dessert .

Speaker 2 (11:32):
You know, I don't know if any of you are watching,
but if you're like me, a mealis not complete, that's right.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Unless there's dessert on the other end.
A meal is not complete unlessyou have a treat.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
I love that A meal is not complete unless you have a
treat, but I like to have mytreats right after.
So let me ask you this Wouldyou rather if you couldn't eat,
if you could only eat like onefood area group, if you had to
just eat meat or potatoes liketype of food, or would you
rather?
Would you choose that?
Or would you rather choosedessert options?

(12:08):
Which one would you chooseAbsolutely?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Dessert.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Give her, give her applause for that one.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yes, that is good.
I'm meat and potatoes.
I'm a carnivore.
I'd rather have meat andpotatoes any day of the week.
I don't want.
I mean I could do it.
I don't mean wrong.
I like my treats, I do, but ifit's an option, if it's an
option, yeah.
No, give me the meat.

(12:35):
I want my steak.
I want to go to Fogo Day, childTexas Day, brazil.
I want to go to one of thosesteakhouse Capitol Grill.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Capitol Grill, any one of those.
Steakhouse Capitol Grill, anyone of those.
Well, you were looking for it.
I'm just going to be honesteverybody.
I'm going to be transparent.
He was looking for a treat latelast night.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
And guess who I found it from.
And guess who I found it fromPam, Right next door.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yes, see, pam, I have to keep everything stocked
because these guys around hereI'm surrounded by all guys they
look for their treats.
So I keep everything stocked.
So all right.
So the second question is wouldyou rather live the rest of
your life in Alaska or live therest in Alaska?

(13:18):
Now listen, if you live inAlaska, all your bills are paid.
Or would you rather live inPhoenix, but the only bill
that's paid is your AC?

Speaker 3 (13:31):
I'd have to say Arizona, arizona.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Okay, that's me, I think, arizona.
Where would you?
Because I know you're a bigfinancial, so you wouldn't have
all your bills paid in Alaska In.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Alaska.
It's like dark for three daysat a time.
That's depressing.
And then you got close.
I mean Eskimos feel right athome there, and penguins, I mean
they were right out front, youknow we have deer and penguins.
They'd be like, hey, goodmorning, they waddle across the
street and stuff.
Nah, I'm good, come be with mein Arizona where there's
scorpions.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
And I guess Arizona you have the sun.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I feel like when you're out in the sun, you have
energy.
You know what I mean.
You can accomplish a lot, okay,all right, so let's move on now
.
Let's go.
I'm going to go biblical on youhere.
So would you rather eat at thelast supper or watch Jesus feed
the 5,000, the multitude?

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Oh, that's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah.
Um, okay, it would be moreone-on-one interactive with you
I was just thinking about thatliterally when you said that.
I was just thinking it's moreintimate yes see, I'm a little
different with that one.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
I I would go do the same thing that y'all picked.
I would be at the last supperbut the reason why I would like
to be there, because that wasthe transition of an old
covenant into a new covenant.
Yes, I mean, I mean think aboutit.
I mean I tell people this allthe time, especially, you know,
we're getting ready to come into.
Uh, we're about about a monthaway from easter, yeah, and so a
lot of people they say you know, jesus sits down, he's got the

(14:58):
12 around them and he's breakingthe bread and the juice or the
wine actually at that time andhaving all these things, and
what they don't understand isthat this is my body which is
broken.
So he's changing up a covenant.
You remember Jesus wasn't wellliked everywhere.
So they come in saying, hey,you're not going to do the
Passover anymore the way thatyou did it.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Now you're going to do the Lord's Supper, so he's
transitioning everything beforehe died, before he was
resurrected.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
So none of that was in vain.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
He's already instituting a new meal that was
transitioning out of the Jewishcustom.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
So, I'm sure there were disciples there saying what
in the world is this guy doing?
Now one minute he's doing this.
Now they're trying to throw himoff the edge of the city.
Now he's talking about we ain'tdoing the Passover, no more.
I'm your Passover lamb.
So I would love to see all ofthe disciples and everything,
and I would love to see whathappened with Judas too, Cause
you know he was going on and out.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
He was acting crazy Even before.
Yeah, Wouldn't that beinteresting.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
So that's my little sermon for the day.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
So I'm just going to throw this out there and I don't
know, pam, I don't know ifyou've heard this, but there's
something about the napkin.
Have you heard about the napkinwhere it says that, yeah, yeah.
That meant in those back inthat day that communicated that
he was coming back.
I thought that that smalldetail it was so much, it was so
powerful, so all right, well,thank you so much, pam Thanks

(16:13):
for being a good sport.
Yes, that's right Now.
We know a little bit about, alittle bit more about you, all
right, well, we're going to kindof just dive right in.
And you know, I know, that Ishared earlier how we we have
kindred hearts.
You know we have a heart to seepeople healed and set free by
the power of the Holy Spirit.
And so you are right now theexecutive director of Deeper

(16:36):
Still.
Can you just tell everybody alittle bit about what Deeper
Still is and what is it?
What is its goal as anorganization?
What does it accomplish?

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Deeper Still is a beautiful ministry that brings
healing to men and women whohave had the experience of
regret and grief, pain, trauma,of an abortion in their life.
Abortion is a really ugly word.
It's a topic that nobody wantsto talk about and it's funny

(17:11):
because I've heard our executivedirector, karen Ellison, who's
the founder of Deaver, still saythat when she goes to speak
somewhere, she can clear a room.
And I had that experience.
Actually, I was invited tospeak somewhere and I looked up
and there were two people leftin the room because people just
they don't want to talk about it, but truly-.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
And it causes arguments too.
I mean people.
Not only do they shy away fromit, but like people argue over
this topic, it's a point ofcontention even in families as
well.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
It really is, but I like to say that, truly, it's
not about death, but it's aboutlife.
It's about bringing people backto life, if you will, because
their heart has just been sowounded and so dead.
And there's this abortion canleave a stain on your heart that

(18:05):
no stain remover can put out,except for the blood of Jesus.
And this, this ministry, trulybrings people into a deeper
place of healing andunderstanding the love of Jesus
upon their life, that his, hisblood, his forgiveness will
cover all.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
You know, a lot of people don't realize, though,
like I mentioned before, thatyou know, sometimes they get
through the front lines of whatwe're doing and I think it's
amazing.
A lot of people say, like inthe abortion line or the
pro-life line, they'll say, well, you guys only care about the
people if they make it, you know, from the baby being born and
all of that, and that's the onlything that you care about.

(18:43):
But I think it's outstandingthat you guys are even doing
things and I'm saying speaking,I know about this, but for
people that are listening andthat are watching, you're doing
things on the back end of things, where people make mistakes,
they make errors, we fall short.
It is one of the mostredemptive ways to show the love
of Christ to people and I thinkfor me, that's what's so

(19:04):
outstanding about what you'redoing.
But why did you get involved inthis type of ministry?

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Well, I did not want to be involved in this ministry
at all.
My daughter went away on aretreat.
She disappeared for the weekendand my husband and I, my
son-in-law, were like where didshe go?
And she said, babe, to herhusband you got to trust me, you
just got to trust me.
I got to go away for thisweekend and when she came back

(19:36):
we discovered that she had goneon a deeper still retreat.
And she went first to herfather and said dad, I have to
talk to you about something.
And he, she, was too afraid tocome to me.
And my husband said you need togo talk to mom.
So she came and talked to meand said mom, sit down, I have
to tell you something.
I went away on a deeper stillretreat I have had because I had

(19:59):
an abortion.
And the look on her face was um, panic, Like she didn't know
what I was going to say.
And I said to her honey, whatyou don't know is that I've had
an abortion also and she wasjust like what you.
You and she couldn't fathomthat because you know her whole

(20:24):
life growing up, my, my, myhusband and my in-laws.
They're pastors.
My father-in-law was aPresbyter for 60 some years.
Our family's always beeninvolved in ministry.
So for her to hear me say thatI had had an abortion, she was
just in complete shock.
So the beautiful thing aboutthat was when she told me that

(20:46):
she had an abortion, I told herwhat happened next was
incredible.
The Holy Spirit just came intothe room and the room filled
with the presence of the Lordand you could smell the amazing
aroma of roses, Wow.
And she said, Mom, did yousmell that?

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Do you smell that?
We just kind of fell into eachother's arms, just comforting
one another, loving one another,just bringing the forgiveness,
the love, the healing from fromfather God.
And the presence of the Lordwas so powerful and she was like
you could taste it, mom.
You could taste it was sopowerful and she was like you
could taste it, mom.
You could taste it, Taste thesmell of, of, of the presence of

(21:28):
the Lord, and, and it was, itwas so comforting.
It was like the Lord, the Lord,approved of us, showing us that
he, he was pleased with withour hearts, with our heart
posture to to receiveforgiveness from the Lord and to
offer forgiveness to oneanother.

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And it was.
It was just really beautiful.
And when you've had an abortion,there's a disconnect with
relationships and there'sdisconnect living children, and
so, even though she was my girl,my only daughter, there was a
bit of a disconnect in our liveswith one another and after that

(22:09):
we have just become so close.
It's just amazing.
She serves on the Deeper StillAtlanta team.
She's been involved with DeeperStill for over 10 years and
we're actually we ministertogether and we are just closer
than ever.
So it's, it's amazing how Godjust healed our relationship as

(22:30):
a result of being obedient tothe Lord.
So then she said Mom, you needto go to a retreat.
And I said, no, no, no, I'mgood, I don't need to go.
So then I went, I went aheadand I was like giving God my
resume I do this, I do this, I'minvolved in this ministry, in
that ministry.
And she said, but no, you needto go.

(22:51):
And I said, no, I'm good, I'vehad a lot of healing.
So what I discovered was nomuch, no matter how much healing
you think you have, there'salways more.
There's always more.
My daughter is a New Yorker.
We're New Yorkers.
Um, they were born.
My husband's a New Yorker.
We're New Yorkers.
They were born, my husband's aNew Yorker.
They're born and raised in NewYork and she's a bully and she
was just like you need to go, soyou had no option, pam.

(23:19):
So after about a year I finallyrelented.
I went and I discovered that,yes, there was so, so much more
healing.
And then she said you know, mom, you need to be involved in
this ministry.
And I said no, no, no, no.
I do not want to be identifiedas a woman who had an abortion
because there's a stigmaattached to it.
People will judge you.

(23:40):
People in the church will judgeyou.
I will tell people that I'm aserial killer, but I will not
tell them that I murdered mychild, like there is no
forgiveness for that.
People in the church areunforgiving.
They have no grid for it, theyjust don't get it.
So after about I don't know,maybe another year or so, I was

(24:02):
invited to serve on a retreat asa team member, and it was at
that retreat that the Lordwrecked my heart, as I saw women
and men come into that retreatlooking one way, broken, hard,
frightened, fearful, spirit ofdeath on them, spirit of

(24:26):
depression.
And when I saw what God did inthree days in their lives, they
walked out of that placecompletely redeemed, forgiven,
free, and it was then that Isaid I want to be a part of this
.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Wow, well, you know Pam real quick.
I want to digress for a minutehere because you shared a lot,
but I want to go back to whereyour husband said go to your mom
.
Did he know I'm sure heprobably already knew that you
had an abortion?
Was he setting something upthat he kind of knew was coming,
or what was his reasoningbehind that?

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Well, I guess I'm going to kind of share something
I don't usually share.
But so my husband and I arepost-abortive together.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Okay, wow.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Wow, yeah, yeah, so he so he didn't share anything
at that time, he just shared.
He said go talk to your mom.
So he kind of knew.
So how was he brought into allof it?
I mean, if you can go intosomething, that's fine, if you
can't, but how was that with thethree of you then?

Speaker 3 (25:31):
So that's really interesting because he did not
want to be a part of DeeperStill ministry either.
But when I took it over it wasright at the onset of COVID and
my husband had gone to Atlantato help my daughter with the
kids and I was trying to launchDeeper Still Pittsburgh,

(25:53):
relaunch it, and I was here bymyself and I was just crying on
the phone like honey, I've gotto start this ministry and
COVID's hit and I just need help.
And you're in Atlanta and I'mhere and he said I'll help you.
And I said you can't helpunless you go through a retreat
and he said all right, all right, I'll go through a retreat.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
So men can go through it too then.
I think, that's one of themisconceptions, pam, is that a
lot of times people think it'sjust going to be the ladies.
It's just the ladies, just theladies.
It takes two to tango and youknow, for the people that may be
listening what are the effectsof abortion on men, like how,
what do you see?

Speaker 3 (26:34):
different from women.
Well, men are not astransparent.
So as much as a woman will holdthis inside and carry it to
their grave, so will men.
They will not talk about this.
So it affects men in threedifferent ways.
So there are the men that say Idon't want this baby, get rid
of it, I don't want anything todo with you, I am not going to

(26:54):
support you, I am not going tobe part of your life.
This was a one night stand.
Get rid of this thing.
They call it the thing.
And then there's the men thatdon't have a choice, because
it's well, after all, it's thewomen's my body, my choice, and
the men don't have a say in it.
You don't have a say, men don'thave a say in it.

(27:15):
You don't have a say.
And then there's the men thatnever knew.
So it it, it packs them,because men were created to be
um providers.
They were created to be umprotectors.
They were created to lead, andso it goes against the very
nature, um the God given natureinside of them to protect, to

(27:37):
lead, to provide.
And so there's a hole in theirheart as well, and it leaves a
devastating hole in their heart.
Oh, go ahead, pam, they don'twant to talk about it.
They think that they're okay.
Men always think that they'reokay, they're good.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, I mean, that's so important, that is so
important we always got ittogether.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
I would say, I would tell you all the time we need
love too, we need nurturing too.
We need it as well.
That's why you have a mama'svoice, so there's things that
are need to be comforted andhealed and nurtured in our
hearts.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, that's so true.
You know, pam.
You know you said that younever wanted to do that, that's
it wasn't on your radar.
To go deeper Still, you didn'twant to go to the retreat.
And isn't it amazing how wetell the Lord a lot of times're
not going to do this or we'renot going to do that, and his
plan is so different.

(28:39):
Like I said, I never would datea pastor and here.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I am married to him, you know and.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
but I just want to go back just a little bit.
You said you know it's funnywhen you were talking about your
daughter.
I just I got touched again andhow you both embraced and how
you came together and when yousaid you tasted, what did you
say when you said you tasted?

Speaker 1 (29:01):
what.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
The aroma, you know I , when you said that, I thought,
well, it's, I just saw evenfreedom.
I'm sure it was like tastingfreedom to to give that, to
share that, because I know, youknow, even with myself, um, you
know, having miscarriages, um,although different, it's a loss,
and a lot of times we don'ttalk about that as women.

(29:24):
But it's amazing how, when wego through different things in
life, the enemy will want us tokeep quiet.
He wants us to stay in anIsland all by ourself.
Don't tell anybody, because ifyou tell somebody, they're going
to think this of you, they'regoing to think that of you,
they're not really going tounderstand.
You're going to make a fool ofyourself if you share.

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But really, when you startopening up, it was amazing when
I started opening up about mymiscarriages and losing children
, there were so many women thatwere actually in my circle that
I knew that, I never even knewthat had one, and then we just
started ministering to oneanother.
And it's been the same even inour pregnancy center, when

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people, when women open up, evenour staff, the people that work
there.
You know it was amazing.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
One woman opened up, then another one opened up and
said hey, I had one too, and Ihad one too.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
You know the enemy wants to, and for those of you
that are watching that, maybeit's in a different area that
you're saying I can't tellanybody.
It would be devastating if Itold anybody.
I can't share this.
But you have to understand that, just like Pam and her daughter
, there was a freedom thatoccurred on the other side.

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The enemy doesn't want you free, the enemy wants you bound, he
wants you living in a place, ina state of condemnation.
He doesn't want you to share,because if you share, he is so
terrified that if you share, youare actually going to get the
freedom that the Lord died foron the cross.

(31:01):
And so, pam, if a woman comesto you or a man for that matter
and says, hey, listen, this iswhat I've been through, I want
help, what are what's kind ofthe first few steps that you
would encourage them to take atthat point?

Speaker 3 (31:19):
When somebody comes to me and calls me, the first
thing I do is say well, let's,let's pray, let's, let's talk to
the Lord, let's, let's find,let's find the Father's heart in
this.
I'll pray with them.
Let's find the father's heartin this, I'll pray with them.
And many times, you know,they'll just break down and cry

(31:41):
and just share a story, that onestory seems to be more horrific
than the next, and there'splenty of stories out there.
And I let them know that Jesusloves them, that his love is
greater than their sins.
I let them know that what Jesusdid on the cross, his

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redemptive, the shed blood ofJesus, paid the debt that they
owe.
That's right, and that there'sso much more healing for them.
Many of them are afraid to comeforward, they're afraid to
share, they're afraid to telltheir families.
I had a couple women a fewretreats ago.

(32:24):
Actually, there were three thatcame all at once and they were
probably in their late 60s, someof them in early 70s, some of
them in early 70s.
They had never told anybody intheir entire lives and they and
the one had never told herhusband that she was still with,

(32:46):
and the other one her husbandhad died and she never had a
chance to tell him and they hadhad their abortions prior to Roe
v Wade, before it becamelegalized, and it was, you know,
a real trauma for them.
And so for them coming, thehealing that they received, just
being able, like you said, youknow the enemy has his hands

(33:08):
around your throat, he's stolenyour voice, he has his hand
around your throat and the firststep is just getting them to
talk.
When they start talking, theystart sharing.
It's like, little by little bylittle, there's a release in
just sharing their story,sharing what happened, because
then it's in the atmosphere.
The enemy has to take his handsoff of them.

(33:30):
That's right.
And you know the Bible says weovercome by the word of our
testimony.
They start having a testimonyand the blood of Jesus.
You know we the Bible says weovercome by the word of our
testimony they start having atestimony and the blood of Jesus
.
You know it covers them andit's so powerful to be able to
share your story and the Lordreveals things to heal things.
He can't heal it unless it'shealed.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
That's good, that's good.
I'm writing that down, pam.
So that's really good yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Jesus said all the hidden things that are secret
are going to come to light, andit's so important for those
things to come forward so thathe can heal them.
When they remain hidden, whenthey remain buried, he can't
touch them, and then the enemyhas you in his clutches of
secrecy, of shame.
So once they start sharingtheir story, that's like the

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first step for them to justbegin to feel like relief.
I finally have shared this withsomebody.
It's out there and now I canstart taking the next steps
towards the healing.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, that's so good.
Well, you know, I heard thisand this is what we do.
You know this is a part of whatyou do.
You are sharing wisdom withthese women and men, and I heard
it put like this wisdom isactually making a decision now
that you're going to be happywith later.
So for me, on my end, I'mtrying to prevent.

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I'm giving them wisdom,knowledge to help them prevent.
You are giving them wisdom onhow to heal, and that is so
vital in this walk, and whetherit's on our side you know,
preventing the pregnancy orwhether it's on the other side,
pam, what was?
I'm just curious, and you mayhave told me at some point, but

(35:13):
I just can't remember what isthe youngest person that came
through your programorganization and what has been.
Who has been the oldest, andhas that person been a male or
female?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Well, we have Deeper Still has about 30 chapters
across the US, has about 30chapters across the US, and so
I'm and some of them have beenactive longer than I have been
director of Deeper StillPittsburgh, so I'm sure they
have seen a lot younger.
I've heard that there have beena lot of.
There have been some as youngas you know teenagers 17, 18.

(35:52):
I in our chapter the youngestwe've had were, I think, 21, the
age of 21.
And then the oldest woman thathas come through us has been a
woman that she flew in fromAlabama and she was in her

(36:15):
eighties and she had had anabortion in the day where,
literally, it was with a coathanger and it destroyed her womb
so that she was never able tohave children ever again.
And she ended up um, I'm notsure if she actually founded the

(36:37):
home, but she ended up having ahome where she brought children
in and she mothered them andshe nurtured them and she raised
them all her life.
Even though she had had healing, even though she had she had,

(36:59):
she never was able to become amother.
She was a mother and you know Ijust want to throw something in
here that's that's interestingthat Eve was called mother
before she ever gave birth toher first child, and it's innate
in us to mother.
It's who we are.
We're nurturers, we'recaregivers, we're educators,

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we're lovers.
That's who we are as women.
And so this woman was able tolove children, even though she
never physically got to givebirth to a child, and she came
and received healing in her 80s.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Wow, well, that's amazing.
You know, I I think about that.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I think about someone that would have a hanger
abortion, I know somebody, well,somebody that their family
member did it, oh my gosh, Imean the trauma of that and the
physical ramifications.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I mean that's just, you think about things like, oh,
the pain of that, and you know,when you mentioned that,
obviously that was way back inthe day.
Some people may still try to dothat now.
But now just getting yourthoughts on it.
We didn't plan on going downhere, but your thoughts on the
abortion pill.
We're getting a lot of feedbackon that and we're talking about
it more and more and I thinkthat's the new battle that

(38:14):
pregnancy centers have toundertake.
But what are your thoughts andI know you don't agree with it,
but just some insight orwhatever that you've had
concerning the abortion bill.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
We as an organization have had a discussion around
this because we're finding that,because this is the new
direction that young people seemto be going into, children as
young as 12, 13 can buy anabortion pill online through
Amazon and they don't needparental consent.
And it's so dangerous, andthere are women that are, if not

(38:48):
dying from this, they'rebecoming very ill from this and
it's so dangerous.
We did have one participant whocame through a retreat, who had
gone experience the abortionpill and the amount of trauma
that she experienced was suchthat it it really it was.

(39:13):
It was just really horrificthat the pain that she was under
and we really had to seek theLord for um, it was like a, the
PT, a PTSD, if you will.
Um, we really had to seek theLord on how to minister, how to
heal, bring healing to her in ain a gentle way, because the

(39:34):
things that she experienced were, I mean, she was able to see
the live, the live birth comingout, and it was.
You know, I don't want to getgraphic, but it was, it was
horrific.
So, yes, we're really having topray to the Lord for wisdom on

(39:54):
next steps with this, because wewe don't have an understanding.
We don't have a grid.
We need to really seek the Lord.
How do we bring healing tothese women?
How do we bring healing tochildren that are going through
this?
Yeah, it's a, it's a.
It's a new day, it's a newseason.
We've not experienced thisbefore and we're.

(40:15):
We just don't have a grid forit.
We don't have a fullunderstanding.
We really need the mind of theLord truly for this.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because this
abortion pill, pam, you knowthis, people think it's just the
easiest way.
It's an easy way, it'sconvenient.
You know, you do it in theprivacy of your home.
It's like, okay, I'm going topop these pills and move on.
And, pam, I don't know if I, Idon't think I told you this, but

(40:49):
there was a, a woman that camein our center and initially she
chose life.
But then when she went back toher significant other, she, he
persuaded her to go and take the, the abortion pill.
But the problem was she wentand ordered this pill online and

(41:11):
she doesn't really even knowwhere, like it was in Florida
somewhere.
So she came back to us, reallyconcerned, and she said okay, I
don't know what to do.
I feel like I'm still pregnant,you know, I'm still coming up
pregnant on the test, so I don'tthink it's it worked well.
So, pam, we know that theabortion pill right now it's two

(41:34):
pills.
What she got from Florida wasthree pills.
She got three pills and so whathappened, pam, is that she was
walking around with a deceasedbaby in her womb and had no clue
.

(41:54):
So I strongly encourage, I said,listen, get to the ER and
that's how she found out.
But I think about women who,like we were talking about, you
can order it anywhere.
But what if these women likeit's not uncommon for women to
come in our office and say, oh,I think I'm nine weeks pregnant,
but we have found out thatthey're actually 20.
I'm nine weeks pregnant, but wehave found out that they're

(42:15):
actually 20.
So we know, after a certainamount of weeks, that abortion
pill does not work.
It doesn't work, you know.
So I think that was a reallygood point.
I'm glad you both I'm glad youmentioned that you went there
and Pam, I'm glad you talkedabout that.
Now we know and we were talkinga little bit about this when we

(42:37):
went down for a prayer on thesidewalk how it's a demonic
principality that we are facedwith, that we are fighting Now.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
We know that we're on the winning team.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
So we do know that, but we still have to walk it out
.
We have to walk out.
You know the prayer and theconsistency have you seen?
I know you know, prior to usgetting on today we were talking
about you kind of going intothe healing and deliverance
aspect of things.
Have you seen any type ofmanifestations come about even

(43:15):
during the retreat, when you'reyou know, when you're going
through the retreat with the menand the women?

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yes, yes, you're dealing with a heavy demonic
principality of death.
I want to say that when Godcreated mankind, we are
distinctly different than anyother of his creations.
When he created everything else, he spoke them into existence,

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but with man, he breathed, yeah,breath of life.
And so we carry, we are, we aremade in his image and we carry
his DNA, we carry his spirit,and Satan hates that.
He hates that.
He hates mankind.
He has been trying to kill mansince the beginning of time, and

(44:08):
we've seen it throughout thescriptures, how babies have been
targeted, babies have beentargeted.
And so you know, the enemywants to create man.
He'll he.
The greatest way to createtrauma is to create trauma
within the womb or to create itin children.

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And then Satan said better yet,let's just kill all the babies,
let's just kill.
And so, yes, we've seen, we'veseen manifestations, we've seen
there is warfare, there isspiritual warfare.
Satan doesn't want women toreceive freedom, he doesn't want

(44:49):
them to get their voice back.
When they get their voice back,they become an advocate for
life.
And so there's such a strugglewith death to life.
And when they're free, goddoesn't free them from something
, he frees them to something.

(45:09):
The enemy really tries to keepthem in bondage, he really tries
to keep them captured in thatplace of trauma, fear, pain,
death.
And so we have prayer layers inplace.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Good, good yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
We have prayer meetings, sometimes six to eight
up into a retreat.
We have an individual prayerfor each of our team members
that serve.
They have to have at least twodifferent people praying for
them, watching their back.
As their rear guard, we have wehave a watchman on the wall

(45:50):
which is an e-sign up that issent out prior to all the
retreats that we have, andsometimes we've had as many as
200 people praying for us for aretreat.
It's incredible.
Somebody knows somebody, whoknows somebody, and they send it
out.
And then we have what is calleda Watchman on the Wall on site

(46:12):
where we'll have people come in.
They're just kind of likesecret ninjas.
They come in and they pray,they walk around the property,
they pray for us.
Nobody knows they're there.
They come and go, nobody knowsthey're there.
We have prayer marches where wetake our, our beautiful worship
flags and we just march aroundthe property.
We sanctify it, we cleanse itfor kingdom purposes, we cleanse

(46:35):
it for life and we just, wejust bind anything that is not
of Jesus.
We command it to go and nothave permission to be there, and
then one of the most importantprayers that we have is called
the rear guard prayers.
We, we understand that.
You know, once you're there andyou're under the protection of

(46:57):
prayer layer, it's amazing.
But then when people got home,it's kind of like they're
singled out by the sniper.
That's true, and the enemy canjust really wreck havoc.
So rear guard prayers is reallypowerful.
So because of the way, becauseof our prayer layers, we don't
see as many manifestations,because we're covered and we

(47:20):
have everything bound andrestrained under the power and
the blood of jesus christ.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
But it's a real thing well, you know, speaking of
warfare, one of the things that,uh, I I just want to share for
a minute here on, in Genesisthree, I believe the spirit of
Molech was birthed out inGenesis three and Genesis four.
Because there was a promisegiven to uh, to well, adam Eve
and the serpent, the devil atthe time.

(47:47):
He said her seed is going todestroy your seed.
So from that point on, therewas a battle, uh, for what was
going to come out of the womb,because the devil has been
promised that the seed of thewoman will destroy him.
And then, therefore, that's whywe see in Genesis, chapter four
, where all of a sudden now Cainkills Abel, because we see that
battle happening right there,the devil is already trying to

(48:09):
kill the righteous seed.
And so, for people thatunderstand that, why Molech?
Molech was the God that theywould sacrifice babies to.
The devil's always been afterthe seed.
That's why he came after itwith Moses, that's why he came
after it during Jesus with Herod.
All of these things happenbecause the devil knows the word
.
He understands that the seedfrom the woman is ultimately

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going to destroy him.
And if you don't think about it, what's unique is that the
devil has a seed too, becausethe Bible says that his seed is
going to bruise her heel and herseed is going to bruise his
head.
So I mean, it's one of thosethings where they both have a
seed that's operating.
That's why you see Esau andJacob battling in the womb,
ishmael and Isaac fighting.

(48:53):
There's constantly this thinghere, but it goes back even into
the womb when you talk aboutthe seed.
From that point on, molech said, hey, we've got to destroy the
seed because that's where thelife's gonna come.
But what I love about it allwhat you're doing, though, pam
is the fact that, even ifsomebody loses a child due to
abortion and they choose tocommit that act, that God is

(49:16):
still a redeeming God.
He's still redeeming.
God gives us an opportunity tobe able to use it for his honor
and his glory.
You know, we talked about how,when we lost our children due to
miscarriage, the Lord gave mesomething, and he said my mother
always wanted grandbabies andnever, ever, ever had any, and

(49:37):
that's one of the biggestregrets out of this she never
got a chance to meet my wife,never got a chance to meet our
kids.
But then the Lord spoke to meafter we lost our first and said
you know what?
Now your mother has hergrandchildren.
And for us and for people thatare listening, that are watching
, if you have aborted a child,if you have lost a child, this
is the redemption.
Those spirits go back to Godand one day, if you are in

(49:59):
Christ Jesus, you will bereunited back with those
children and those children andyou are going to have a great
party in heaven one day.
So the consolation I have isthat, but I'm sure there's other
people that might needconsolation.
What are some consolationstories?
Maybe things God has shown you,stories you've heard of how
people have come out the otherside after going through Deeper

(50:22):
Still and just findingredemption in it.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Yes, as you were speaking, the first thing that
came to my mind is that we havea team member that came years
ago.
She heard us give testimony ata church and she came forward
and said hey, my mother has hadan abortion.
I would really love for her togo on a retreat, but I know she
won't go.
She will not go, she's she'svery shy, she's withdrawn and

(50:51):
this is very shameful.
She just won't go.
Would I be able to come and andserve on your team as a team
member?
Because if I come as a teammember, my mother will come to
the retreat.
So she and I went out to lunch,we talked, we shared um,
thought that it was a good thing.

(51:11):
She ended up coming.
We got, she went throughtraining, she came on that
retreat and her mother came andit was.
It was a very difficult retreatfor her mother.
Her mother had, you know, hermother just had a wall around
about her.
Her mother had a very difficulttime opening up and, as a
matter of fact, she had a verydifficult time loving her own

(51:33):
daughter.
And so for our team membergrowing up, she, she wasn't very
close to her mother, her mother.
There was a disconnect betweenthis mother and her daughter as
a result of the abortion.
So the mother went through theretreat and and the mother
received so much healing and Iwant to say that, um, it did two

(51:53):
things.
So for our team member thatserves, she was only planning to
serve on one retreat for hermother and then the following
retreat she was.
She was just going to go off,she wasn't going to be part of
the team anymore, but she fellin love with deeper still.
She fell in love with theministry.
She fell in love with watchingmen and women get healed and so

(52:15):
to this day she is four yearslater.
She's still part of the teamand she's not post-abortive.
But she felt that what she didwas change the DNA for her
family, for her mother, for hersister and for her own daughters
who are yet young and justentering into the world.
Now Some of them are stillteenagers in high school.

(52:36):
So she changed the DNA for herfamily.
She changed the DNA for her mom.
Her mother is now set free.
She's a different person.
The relationship has connected.
Her mother is more free, she'smore interactive.
There's a joy, there's a peace,and now she serves on a deeper
still team in another state.

(52:58):
She's served now for severalyears on another deeper still
team.
So that's the redemptive powerof Jesus Christ.
It changes the DNA for yourfamily bloodline and it changes,
it changes your life, ittransforms you and that's what
it's done even for my husbandand my daughter and I.
We're a family who's changedthe bloodline for our children

(53:22):
and our children, our children'schildren.
It's hope, there is hope andthere is redemption and it's
it's, it's powerful, it'spowerful and we've seen a number
of different people that.
So people will always ask mewhat is the recovery rate for
deeper still?

(53:43):
And I will say it depends onthe person.
It depends on.
It's just like a child when achild is learning to walk or
crawl or talk.
Every child walks, talks at adifferent level, and it's the
same with healing.
Healing is a journey that neverends and healing is individual.

(54:05):
It depends on how transparentyou want to be.
It depends on how deep you wantto go.
It depends on how much you wantto allow Jesus to touch your
heart.
I have a team member right nowwho serves and when she first
came to her deeper still retreat, she came through and she
didn't receive anything a deepamount of healing that on her

(54:27):
retreat that first time becauseshe was processing.
She was in so much trauma fromthe things that had happened to
her that it took her at least ayear before she processed and
went through a deeper amount ofhealing.
And she says that she callsherself a crock pot.
She's not an Instapot Now she'shealed and she's she's amazing.

(54:49):
She's a powerful Instapot.
Now she's healed and she'samazing.
She's a powerful woman of God.
But we all heal at differentlevels, but healing is there for
whoever wants it, it's there.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Well, speaking of that together or by themselves,
you have a retreat coming up I'dlike you to talk about, and
then also just what you offer atDeeper Still for anybody that
may be looking for helpthroughout this time.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Yes, I just want to interject one thing,

(55:46):
no-transcript.
And she had a powerfulexperience, a powerful healing
experience.
I didn't realize how powerfulit was until two weeks later I
received a phone call from herhusband and her husband called
me and said whatever you didwith her, she's a different
person.
I don't know who she is, but Iwant to come on your next

(56:09):
retreat, can I come?
And he came on the next retreatand I just want to say that,
talking about healing and thepower of transformation, those
two are such a powerhouse.
Their marriage has been healed,their parenting has been healed
.
They just celebrated anotheranniversary and I look at them

(56:29):
and I just marvel what God didin their lives.
This young couple, like theirmarriage, has been saved,
transformed, changed, and it'sjust.
It's incredible.
It's just incredible what Godhas done.
So I just wanted to interjectthat yes, we have these amazing
opportunities for men and women.
So, and marriages?
Marriages are transformed,Relationships are transformed.

(56:52):
It's powerful.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
So tell us about the retreat that's coming up that
people can get involved in, andalso, if you just need
counseling or need help to behealed.
How do they get ahold of DeeperStill?

Speaker 3 (57:02):
So we have a retreat coming up in about four weeks.
It is April the 11th throughthe 13th.
They can contact us through ourwebsite,
deeperstillpittsburghorg.
They can also reach us throughthe phone number 724-972-3431.
We do have room on this retreat.
It will be, I promise you.

(57:23):
I promise you you'll feel safe,you'll feel secure.
You'll feel safe, you'll feelsecure.
And one of the things thatpeople say that I hear over and
over again, the feedback is thatyou will never feel more loved
in your entire life, and most ofthese people have never felt
loved.
So, yes, contact us.
We've got room, we're open foryou to come Give me a call and

(57:47):
it's free correct Free, yes.
How many people want?

Speaker 1 (57:49):
to know the price.
You know.
That's one thing I think is soamazing In the abortion industry
they charge for everything.
For us that's pro-life, whetheryou're contemplating abortion
and you're trying to have one,and we intercept and we come in
and help you out free.
If you have an abortion youneed Deeper, still free it and

(58:09):
help you out free.
If you have an abortion youneed deeper still free.
It's amazing that all theservices are free.
There's no money involvedwhatsoever.
So I think that's awesome thatyou guys are doing that.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Yes, there's absolutely no excuse not to come
.
It's free, so true, but thehardest thing is just getting
past the fear of making thatfirst step, of taking the phone
call.
But if you take that phone call, I will be the one on the other
end of the phone answering andI will walk you through the love
of Jesus.
You will feel loved.

(58:38):
I always tell my team membersthat when participants come to
us, even if they walk away andthey haven't received anything,
but they know they've been loved, we know we've done our job
because that's what we do for toextend the love of Jesus.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
That's so good.
You know, the love of Jesus ispowerful.
It is powerful.
You know, I love to hear, Ienjoy hearing, about all the
transformative stories, thetransformative power of the Holy
Spirit working in thesepeople's lives.
Just really quick, Pam.
How would a woman know that sheis free, Like when?

(59:15):
Do you say, okay, sheexperienced on this path of
freedom to get to freedom?
How do you know, okay, she isfree indeed, Like what are?

Speaker 3 (59:25):
some signs.
Yeah, for me I see that they'refree.
When they get their boy voiceback and they're not afraid to
talk about it.
That's a big indicator.
When they're able to sharetheir stories, when they, when
they're able to connect,reconnect with loved ones that
they've that there's been adisconnect with um.

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When they're able to worshipthe Psalm where King David says
set my heart free that I canworship you.
And when they're free, they canworship the Lord, and that's a
key right there.
When their heart is connected tothe Lord and they're just
freely able to worship the Lord.

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So those are just some thingsthat I look at and know, hey,
yeah, they're free, they're free.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Yeah, amen.
You know, who the sun sets freeis free.
Indeed.
And, pam, there might be peoplethat are watching right now
that are either on one side,whether they're thinking about
contemplating abortion, orwhether they have made the
choice already and now theythey're living in condemnation,
and or whether they have madethe choice already and now they
they're living in condemnationand they feel like they can't
come out, they don't feel freeto share and to make that phone

(01:00:39):
call.
Can you just take just a minutejust to minister to those women
that may be watching that arein either one of those two
positions?

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Sure.
So I would say to you, ifyou're listening today, that
Jesus knows he has seen yourheart, he's seen your tears, he
has seen everything that you'vegone through.
He understands the regret, thedeep regret.
He understands your grief andhe understands that the mistake

(01:01:12):
that you've made, that you can'ttake back, and he still loves
you and he still wants you tocome to him because he has so
much more for you.
He wants to bring you into aplace of just love and
compassion.
Jesus says that a bruised reed Iwill not bend, and when you're
already bruised, you're alreadybent, you're already broken.

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The compassionate, gentle loveof Jesus is what you need to
bring you into a place offreedom and healing.
And so I would just say don'tbe afraid, trust Jesus.
He's gentle, jesus is so gentleand he's so kind and you know
it's his kindness that leads usto repentance.
And even though you may haveforgiven, you received the

(01:01:55):
forgiveness of the Lord on yourlife, but you can't forgive
yourself.
Jesus wants you to forgiveyourself because he forgives you
.
And so just know that you'reloved, know that you're accepted
, know that you're enough, knowthat there's more healing for
you and don't be afraid, justjust make that call.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
So ladies and gentlemen, pam Irizarry, the
executive director of DeeperStill Pittsburgh, we so
appreciate you, pam, yourvulnerability, your transparency
, the work that you're doing,the lives you've impacted and
will continue to impact.
Thank you so very much for yourtime and for what you're doing

(01:02:37):
and, as always, you know, we'realways connected, so I'm sure
we'll be seeing you on your road.
Maybe we'll have you back downthe line a little bit to talk
about some more inner healingwith other things besides
abortion, because I know that'ssomething that you're
specializing in and we'd love tohave you back in any time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
I love you guys so much.
Thank you for having me.
It's great to see you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
We love you and we believe the best is yet to come
and thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Thank you for all you do.
You're amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
That was good, it was really good, it was so good.
Good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
I mean I took notes, I mean one of the things that I
thought was really profound.
She said the Lord reveals toheal, and I think that's why it
is so important to make surethat you don't take the bait.
Stay on the island that theenemy wants.
He wants you all to yourself.
He wants to plant those seeds.

(01:03:33):
He doesn't want anyone tointerrupt him.
He wants to do what he wants todo with you, but God has a
great plan for each and everyone of our lives, and he wants
us all to be free.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
You know it's amazing .
As you're talking, I justthought about this.
I'm going to read it just tomake sure.
I look at this year and if I'mnot mistaken I pretty sure let's
look here it says, or is it outhere yeah, in Genesis four, in
verse number eight.
I was thinking the Lord reallyshowed me that today about Cain

(01:04:07):
and Abel and about how that wasthe seeds uh, fighting with one
another.
And it says now cain andgenesis, chapter 4, verse 8 now
cain talked with abel, hisbrother, and it came to pass
when they were in the field.
So he took him out alone.
He isolated him by himself andthat's when he rose up and
killed him because nobody couldsee.
So the devil does his best workwhen you're alone, but nobody

(01:04:27):
can see and listen.
If the devil now watch this, ifthe devil could get a third of
the angels in heaven Lucifer atthe time that becomes Satan to
join with him in the throne roomof God Now it's not like they
were away from God, they were inthe throne room with God
worshiping.
A third of them said Lucifersaid yo, we got this guy, we can
take him.

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And they joined with him.
How do you think you're goingto do against Lucifer, satan?
Now, how do you think?
The deceiver of the ages, jesus, called him the father of lies.
If you've ever met somebody,that's a really good liar.
They can tell you a lie so wellthat you really believe them,
unless you have discernment.
So if he could get away withthat in the throne of God with

(01:05:10):
those angels and a third of thembecame demons because they
sided with him how do you thinkyou're going to do against him?
You will never, ever make it,and that's the reason why Jesus
left the ninety and nine and hewent after the one, because the
devil always isolates, so thenhe can annihilate.
So if you are alone, know that,even as Pam mentioned, as my
wife mentioned, as I'mmentioning, jesus loves you.

(01:05:31):
He's with you.
He's got a great plan for you.
He knew before the foundationsof the world you were going to
make the decisions that you made.
He's not angry with you.
He's going to love you back tolife and he loves you even
through death.
He loves you in spite of all.
He loved you so much that hepaid a price.
He didn't know, because youowed a price you couldn't pay
and I just realized that's whatthe devil wants to do.

(01:05:52):
It doesn't matter, even if it'snot an abortion in any area of
our lives.
He wants to get you alone, getyou isolated, so then he can
manipulate.
Think about even a relationship.
If you've ever known someonethat was in a relationship.
What do they do?
If they have somebody that'sclose to their family, they take
them away from the family, getthem over there and they start
talking to them why they play ontheir mind.
They play on their emotions.
They manipulate them toeventually their mind conforms

(01:06:15):
to what they want.
And that's the funny thingabout it.
Whether it's pro-choice,whatever it is, they always want
to manipulate the way you think.
They don't want to give peoplethe freedom to think the way
they should, but God wants toset you free and our minds can
be free.
In Jesus name.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Amen, and I loved how you said it's not just with
abortion or anything like thatit's in any area of your life.
The enemy wants to keep youtrapped.
He wants to keep you bound.
He doesn't want you to get freebecause if you get free now,
you're about to annihilate himand his plans for your life.
And one of the things I thoughtthat Pam said that was so good

(01:06:49):
she mentioned about thegenerational effect, and that's
another thing.
The enemy doesn't want you tobe set free because, as a result
, you're going to have an effectand an influence on your family
and your generations to come.
I always say it's a deposit,it's a shift in eternity
actually.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
That's right.
So we want to pray right nowand just ask God just to bring
healing to those of you that arelistening right now.
Just feel the presence of theLord.
This is going to minister toyour life and just bring healing
.
So, father, god, we just prayfor every person that's
listening, that's watching, lord.
There's some that are ridingdown the street in their car, on
the highway.
There's some that may besitting in front of a laptop,
some watching it on their iPhone.

(01:07:28):
Wherever they are, holy Spirit,we thank you.
There's no time or distance inthe anointing.
You are now ministering andsetting them free, father.
Above all, may they experiencethe overwhelming, overarching
love of Jesus Christ in theirlives.
May they feel the love of theFather around about them.
Father, your word says there'sno condemnation.

(01:07:48):
So, father, we thank you thatif we are in you, there's no
condemnation.
There may be those listeningright now, father, that need to
know you.
May they receive you in theirhearts.
And if you're listening rightnow and you need to receive
Jesus, just say Dear HeavenlyFather, I thank you today for
sending your Son for me to haveeternal life.
I believe you came, you died,you were buried and rose again,

(01:08:12):
that I might have eternal life.
Lord Jesus, I thank you.
I'm forgiven.
You are my savior.
Father, you are now in my heart.
I receive you now in Jesus'name.
And, father, I thank you forevery person right now that
you're bringing healing,deliverance, that you're setting
the captive free in the name ofJesus, that they will never,

(01:08:32):
ever be the same.
And, lord, I pray for thosethat are listening, that need to
get involved in Deeper Still,that need to get involved in
church, that need to go to thisretreat, that you would put it
on their hearts that, as they go, they will have the courage to
take that first step, to makethat phone call, to sign up and
then to go and find theirfreedom and find their healing.
And, father, we thank you andwe give you the praise, the

(01:08:55):
honor and all the glory for yourhealing virtue that's flowing
right now.
In Jesus name, we pray Amen,amen.
Amen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Thank you for praying .
You know it's such a sweetmoment here.
You know you can feel thepresence of God even as she was
speaking.
You can feel the presence ofGod.
You can feel the healing powerof God go out.
You know, and I just want tolet all of you know.
First of all, if you are inthat situation, please feel free
to reach out to us.
We would love to pray with you,we'd love to help you navigate

(01:09:27):
and if you need to make thatconnection I know there was some
information there, but if youneed to make that connection
with Deeper Still, we would loveto do that Know that we are
praying for you and we believethat freedom, if you want
freedom, it is available for youto walk in all the days of your
life.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Amen, and our phone number and our ministry is
412-586-7159.
That's another level ofministries, 412-586-7159.
And if you're a person that'slistening or watching, or you
know someone that'scontemplating an abortion or
having an abortion, they cancall the center as well.
What's the number there?

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
They can.
It's 412-956-5433 or412-956-LIFE.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
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