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April 10, 2025 15 mins
Join & JULIET Associate Director Susanna Wolk in conversation with Des Moines Performing Arts President and CEO Jeff Chelesvig as she explains what it’s like taking one of Broadway’s most popular shows from New York to national tour. Wolk describes the larger-than-life fun and the empowering message behind this playful retelling of Juliet’s story.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to DMPA Conversations. I'm Jeff Chelswig, President and CEO
of do Win Performing Arts. This podcast gives you an
insider's perspective of the fantastic performances headed to our stages,
straight from the creators themselves. The pop anthem filled musical
and Juliet asked the question what would happen next if
Juliet didn't end at all over Romeo and it's headed

(00:25):
to Des Moines as part of our Willis Broadway series. Today,
I'm speaking to the associate director of the Larger Than
Life and Juliet, Susannah Wolk.

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Speaker 1 (00:52):
That is Susannah, thanks so much for talking with me today.
We are so excited to have and Juliet coming to
Des Moines as of our Willis Broadway series. Tell me
a little bit about your journey with the show.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
I'm the associate director of Anguliette both for the Broadway
production and for the tour. And basically what that means
is I sort of overlook maintaining of the creative vision
of the show. We've been running for over two years
on Broadway and this tour has been out for about
six months now, and so my job is really to

(01:26):
look out for the artistic integradyo of the show as
set up by our original director Luke Shepherd, the book
writer David west Reed, obviously the incredible music of Max
Martin and Jen Mober of choreography. So that sort of
means everything from being involved with the casting process to
setting up the company, so rehearsing the show from the
ground up, helping shape the performances, the tech of the show,

(01:48):
and then making sure that the heart and the energy
of the original vision translates on the road. And then
now that the show is going my role sort of
transitions to like keeping the storytelling, keeping the emotional beats alive,
supporting the cast and crew as the show is evolving
from city to city. So I'll rehearse in new company members,
I'll rehearse our understudies, and sort of check in from

(02:12):
time to time to make sure that the show is
keeping its signature joy and energy alive. And what's really
great about the role, it's very creative, but it's also
part logistical and just very very collaborative, and I get
to help sort of preserve what makes Angeliee so special
while also making sure it's always feeling fashion connected and
organic every night. And I think that's part of what
people really love about the show, is that energy that

(02:35):
is so present and so theatrical.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
You know, I've seen the show twice, maybe three times.
I saw it in Toronto and I saw it on Broadway,
and you're exactly right, the energy is so fantastic. So,
without giving away too many things, a little bit about
and Juliet.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
The storyline Angelia is a big, joyful reimagining of William
Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, but instead of ending in tragedy,
we ask what if Juliette lived? What if she got
a second shot at life. It's a story about second
chances and love and all the many different forms and
can take, and self discovery and self acceptance, all told

(03:13):
through the iconic pop songs of Max Martin. So You're
gonna hear songs by Britney Spears, Ariana Grande, Katie Perry,
the Backstreet Boys, Celine Dion, So its songs that we
all know and love, but here they're reinterpreted in ways
that are really emotional and funny and surprising. We open
up at opening night of Romeo and Juliet so Shakespeare
is about to present his iconic tragedy that we all

(03:36):
know and love, and he shares the ending, and right
as he does, his wife, Anne Hathaway shows up and
is like, hmmm, I have a few notes about the ending,
what if Juliette didn't die? And from there they start
rewriting the play together, imagining what would have happened if
juliet went on this whole other adventure with her friends

(03:57):
and some very exciting new characters. And as Juliette is
going on this journey of self discovery, Shakespeare and Anne
are also re examining their own relationship and what their
story is. And so what follows is like a very vibrate,
hilarious and also quite heartfelt and emotional journey about like
finding your voice, writing your story, and taking control of

(04:17):
your narrative, which I think is something that everyone can.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Connect to the music. You mentioned Max Martin, who is
kind of the common thread in this and I got
a chance to just say hi to him in Toronto,
and it was amazing. It was really amazing. But I
will say, you know, I don't think any of the
music was written especially for this. It is all adapted,
but it seems to just work so beautifully, and there
are some very fun and very tenderhearted moments in the show,

(04:43):
and that the music is just it's such a driver.
Tell me about working with the music and all of this.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, So for those who don't know, Max Martin is
like this legendary songwriter, a music producer behind I think
more hits than anyone besides other than the Beatles. Like
He's written like what I consider the soundtrack of my childhood,
and I think like the reason his songs are so
amazing is like not just that they're like insanely catchy

(05:11):
and total earworms, but they also I think have a
lot of universal themes of heartbreak, empowerment, longing, joy, Like
they're so deeply emotional, and the way that they are
woven into the show, it's almost like as if they
could have been written for this exact story. The show
is all about mashing up the classical Shakespeare with like

(05:35):
contemporary pop world, and part of what makes that work,
I think it's just Max's music. Is about heartbreak and
about these like huge themes that like feel almost Shakespearean sometimes,
And I think David West Read the book writer, and
Max and the whole music team just did such an
amazing job creating a story around these songs that really
makes them work in such an exciting way.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
In addition to the book and the music, the choreography
and kind of the sets and costumes are really incredible.
When we look at trying to mash all of that together,
it took a lot, not just from you and the
director and the choreographer, but also the designers. Talk a
little bit about the design of the show.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I mean, I think what's great about it is that
you picked it up perfectly is that it's a mashup
of the classical Shakespearean world with like a modern literally
joyful explosion of like color and life, and like the
whole show is just about like mashups. So like the costumes,
which are by just the absolutely incredible designer Paloma Young,

(06:39):
are a mix of both like Elizabethan corsets and ruffs
and things like that, but also people are wearing tracksuits
and seekers, and similarly in the set, it's all sort
of we've got these brick walls and this very kind
of classical looking floor, but then we put on top
of it like a huge modern lighting rig like you
would see at any sort of arena pop concert. And

(07:03):
we've got glitter, piro confetti, Jen Weber's like unbelievably electric
dance numbers, We've got pop music, and there's so much
happening all the time. But I think what people are
surprised by perhaps is like the unexpected, beating heart of
the show and the emotional journey that all these characters
go on. Like, I think people get drawn in by

(07:24):
the glitter and the fun and they like actually end
up seeing themselves in these characters because it's a show
about figuring out who you are and learning to love
yourself and your own imperfections. And I think you know,
no matter what age you are, you can really connect
with that message.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Do you have a favorite moment in the show, one
that you always look forward to seeing?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Oh my gosh, okay. I love the scenes between Shakespeare
and Anne. They are hilarious but also like really profound
and relatable. At the beginning of the show, we see
them form a creative partnership, which is really fun to
watch because they're like, they're collaborating on this new ending
of Romeo and Julia, and they're both bringing something different
to the table. You know, Shakespeare is bringing the drama

(08:04):
and the stakes and the conflict, and is bringing the fun,
you know, the glitter, the magic, the big spectacle, and like,
of course, every good show probably needs a little bit
of both. But as they're writing, they're also playing this
cat and mouse game of trying to outwit each other
and outsmart each other and take control of the script,
which is really exciting because they're both these like incredibly smart,
savvy creatives. But then also as we learn more about

(08:27):
the two of them as the show goes on, we
find out that their marriage is really complicated, and they've
been married for a long time and faced a lot
of hardship that they haven't quite dealt with. And you know,
they love each other quite deeply, but have also evolved
a lot as human beings, and we're watching them sort
of negotiate that partnership and their love and real time,
which I think is incredibly complicated and vulnerable, and I think,

(08:49):
you know something that a lot of people really connect
with how real that is. So yeah, I just love
their relationship and the way it tracks through the show,
and then to be more specific about a particular mode moment.
This is a little cliche, but I just think Roor
is just a thrilling number where we pull out all
the stops without giving too much of the story away.

(09:10):
This is where Juliette really finally decides to accept herself
and love herself, and it's just this massive celebration of
self love and empowerment. We like, really pull out all
the stops. We've got the confetti, the glitter, the piro,
the huge dancing. Like everyone we tell them, just like
leave it all on the floor when you do Roor,
and like it's so visceral, you feel it like in

(09:32):
your bones, like her just saying like, I, you know what,
I've been through a lot, and I've made some mistakes,
but you know what, I still choose to love myself
and I can still write my story and make it
whatever I want it to be. And just looking out
at that explosion of joy like affecting an audience every
night is just so powerful.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
I remember that, and it's You're exactly right. It's an
iconic song and it has performed so beautifully. You've had
a long career as a director and a number of
plays us like Williamstown and Art And we have a
special program that we administer, the Iowa High School Musical
Theater Awards, that feeds into the Jimmy Awards, which I'm

(10:10):
sure you're aware of, and we have over one hundred
schools that are participating statewide this year, lots of kids
that participate. What kind of advice would you give to
a high school student who wants to get into a
career in the theater like you have.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
My advice would be sort of twofold. I think a
lot of the time when you're growing up in high
school and college, you sort of think performing is what
theater is. And I think the more that you can
learn about the totality of it, even if you are
a performer like that will just enrich your artistry. And
I think also just learning about the world and finding

(10:46):
what you're passionate about, like outside of theater, I think
will only again just like feed you as an artist.
And then the advice that I always give to young people,
which I think is really important, I think there's an
ex when you're going to school or leaving school or
starting a career that things are going to go like this,
and I'm illustrating like a straight line, like an arrow

(11:10):
pointing up, that you'll do one thing and that'll lead
to the next thing, and that will lead to the
next thing, next thing, and things will just get better
and better and better and better until you're on Broadway.
And the reality of choosing a career in the arts
is that there will be highs and lows and peaks
and valleys, and one minute you're living your dream, and
then in the next minute that show gets canceled, and
then the next minute random gig comes up, and then

(11:30):
the next minute you're in between things, and just like
learning to live with that up and down and up
and down. The sooner that you can embrace that as
part of the life of being an artist, the better,
just because people put so much pression on themselves to
like constantly be on this upward trajectory and in many

(11:50):
ways that can be unrhythmistic. And so I think the
sooner that you can embrace the peaks and valleys and
the weaving of this career path like, the more enjoyable
it will best. And also going along with that comparison
is the thief of joy, like your path is your path,
kind of similar to the message of the show, only

(12:12):
you can decide what your path is going to be.
And when you get obsessed with comparing yourself to other people,
or I should have done this at a certain age,
or I should be doing this now, like you lose
the joy of the journey.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
What else would you like to say about and Juliet,
anything any final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I mean, I just want to shout out the tour company.
It's just an extraordinary group of people that are bringing
this story across America. And like, first I just want
to shout out the like unbelievable talent that is Rachel Webb,
who is leading the company as Juliet. Rachel has been
with the show since the out of town tryout in Toronto.

(12:47):
She was she played the role of Judith and understudied Juliette.
I think she went on like well over one hundred
times on Broadway and was like always there, like last
minute you're on and like always came in and killed.
And so when we're launching this tour, we just knew
Rachel was the perfect person to do it. She's just
like an absolutely extraordinary talent and brings such a wide

(13:09):
eyed workiness and joy to Juliet coupled with like this
profound emotional depth, and like the voice is just powerhouse.
And then we've got Till Wix and Corey Mack as
Shakespeare and An who also are just these comedic powerhouses,
but also like ground the whole Shakespeare and story and
such real emotional depth, and they're just bringing a real

(13:33):
honesty and authenticity to their performances. And then throughout the
whole company, both on stage and off stage, there's just
such a beautiful generosity of spirit. Like we really strive
to celebrate individuality, and I just love how everyone in
this company really brings their full self on stage and
the cast gets to shine in ways that feel really
personal and authentic, which is so important because the show

(13:55):
is about again just like owning your own voice. And
it's just an amazing company that's that's going to be
coming to Des Moines, and I'm just so y'all are
so lucky you get to see them.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Well, it's really our pleasure to have the show here
and it's one that I think people are going to love,
and I just want to thank you so much for
taking the time I know you're working on a new
show Broadway right now and taking the time. Good luck
on your show and thanks you.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Thanks, oh my gosh, enjoy the show.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, and that was my conversation with Susanna. We are

(14:52):
grateful to you for joining us for this special conversation.
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Speaker 2 (15:13):
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