July 24, 2025 • 44 mins
The hardest truth about entrepreneurship isn't written in any business book. Your greatest heartbreaks won't come from lost deals or market downturns—they'll come from losing people you trusted completely.
In this raw, unfiltered conversation, Colleen and Kim pull back the curtain on the devastating reality of business friendship breakups and partner betrayals that cost them millions of dollars, triggered lawsuits, and left emotional scars deeper than any business failure could inflict. They share the gut-wrenching experience of watching friends and partners transform before their eyes when money and opportunity entered the equation.
"Money makes people do crazy shit," Kim explains. "If you have just an ounce of ugly in you, money amplifies that like a microscope." Both hosts reveal the warning signs they ignored, the gaslighting they endured, and the shocking moments of realization when they discovered the truth about people they considered family. From secret meetings plotting their demise to attempts to freeze company accounts on payroll day, these stories illuminate the darkest corners of entrepreneurship rarely discussed in public.
The conversation goes beyond just sharing war stories—it offers a roadmap for recovery. Colleen and Kim open up about how they navigated the wreckage of dissolved partnerships, protected innocent team members caught in the crossfire, and rebuilt their confidence and businesses from the ashes. Most importantly, they share how they maintained their integrity even when facing those who abandoned theirs.
For anyone who's experienced the unique pain of business betrayal—or fears they might—this episode provides both validation and hope. As Colleen powerfully states, "We lost businesses, we lost money, we lost people, but we never lost ourselves." Their message is clear: betrayal doesn't break you; it teaches you who you really are.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We lost businesses, we lost money, we lost people,
but we never lost ourselves.
Welcome, welcome to Do EpicShit.
I'm Colleen Baczynski, I'm KimNeal and we are here to talk
about friendship breakups inbusiness.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
She's a good one.
What no one talks about?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
So our theme today is how to survive betrayal rebuild
after being burned it's a goodone.
And protect your peace, whilestill showing up as a leader.
It's a great one.
So no one warns you that yourbiggest heartbreaks in business
won't come from losing deals.
They'll come from losing people.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Today we're talking about the ugly, unexpected side
of entrepreneurship.
When friendships go toxic, oh,very toxic, partners turn on you
, oh, and they turn.
And the people you trusted themost leave.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
You got it this is a shit nobody talks about, but we
will, absolutely, absolutelythis is actually a good one.
It's a raw one, yeah, this isgonna gut me a little bit just
talking about this one, I thinkso so we're gonna start out with
the breakup you never sawcoming and we didn't, and
there's been a few like there'smore than one we can talk about
and I don't want to say thatlike I'm naive, because I would
(01:05):
like to think that I'm not andI'm business savvy and that I
think we have a wait.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I just hate to interrupt, but we have a special
guest here with us today we do.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Oh, you mean a peanut gallery.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
We do, we do, yeah, and he's over there shaking his
head.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I think he lived through it too he had this
uncanny knack of seeing thingshappen before they played out in
real life, but it wasn't in theinitial stages, it was right
before it happened.
So we were already in businesswith some people and then he was
like this is happening.
And I'm like no, it's not.
I'm like you don't know whatyou're talking about, you're
crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And then lo and behold it literally played out
like that.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm, we've had you.
I think we're not going to namenames.
Absolutely, but we're going totalk about scenarios like how it
feels when someone you thoughtwas your ride or die flips on
you.
And when I say flip, I meantotal 180.
I mean Kim, you've had teammembers who have gone completely
off the rails.
Yeah, friends that you thoughtwere friends that weren't.
Because if your friends, thiswouldn't have happened but you
know what?
here's what I'll say, and thisisn't in our paper.
(02:04):
This is like just talking fromthe heart.
Money makes people do crazyshit and someone who's good at
their core can stay good attheir core, but if you have just
an ounce of ugly in you, moneyamplifies that like a microscope
and I feel like it's all theyjustify it's justifiable when
really it's not.
It's either right or wrong likeoh well, it's okay, blah, blah.
Or you know, this is what ittakes to get ahead.
(02:25):
And I will say that you know,business can be ruthless, right
Like the business world ingeneral is ruthless.
We've heard corporate ladder isruthless, but when it's your
friend and you get in businesstogether, you're doing it
because you think it's going tobe.
That you can your back.
I don't even have enoughfingers to count them.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, you for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Thanks For sure.
Have you ever heard that therewas that meme that said
something about like.
They're talking about me and Ican't wait to see what they're
going to say next.
Like.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I can't wait to see what I do next right.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Well, I think for you the reason why group, you know
you were in such a big group.
Well, you have multiplebusinesses and you have multiple
partners.
In each business there's moreopportunities for it to go
sideways.
And in real estate, I thinkwe're in such a business with
colleagues.
The way we interact with eachother and we hang out together
it forces us to be friends withpeople that we might not
ordinarily otherwise be friendswith?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Absolutely not.
I can name 20 that I wouldn'teven be Good question.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I think there's a shock factor that happens.
And then you go through thegrief and the heartbreak and the
what the f*** moments.
I would say betrayal in thisbusiness hits just as hard as
romantic heartbreak.
You bet A hundred times over.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And it is almost one and the same.
Because you're up at night,you're losing sleep.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You are non-functional for a while.
You know what I mean.
That those first couple days Ican tell you that in a couple of
the instances and we'll talkabout these stories I went at
least a week without eating andwhen I say without eating I mean
nothing, and bart can attest tothat like I literally would
take a bite of food and I wouldget nauseous and I wouldn't be
able to eat, and that went onfor about five, six, seven days
and then, like shit had to comeand hit ahead right.
So that betrayal, it hits hardand I would say also, as I think
, as we're sitting here justlike kind of just putting it out
(04:07):
there, it also is because youspend more time with your work
people than you do with yourfamily.
A lot of times like think howmany hours a week, okay, how
many hours a day are you at?
12, 13, yeah, 16, 16, okaylet's say you sleep eight hours
a day, so you have 16 hours.
You spend 10 hours at work.
You're spending more time withthose work people than you are
with your own family, I know sothat that hurts or even if it's
(04:29):
even even if it's eight andeight right, it's still
equivalent like you're spendingas much time.
So you feel like and I knowwe've taken a lot of people in,
whether it's our team or thebusinesses we own, whether it
was our real estate businessesor our title businesses, even
the coaching business, like allthe things we had we would treat
and Bart especially and I'msure he'll pipe in over there
like he treated people, likethey were family, like there
were some people that like hetreated them like they were his
(04:50):
kids, like his own children, andthat like it's like taking a
knife and just twisting itinside of you.
So, kim, let me ask you aquestion.
Was there a moment you realizedthat you know, in one of these
instances, this person is notwho I thought they were?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Oh, this one's going to be good, absolutely, even now
, when we talk about it Likeeven just me asking the question
.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I could see your mannerism change.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
There's so many people that you thought and then
it's not that they're, Ishouldn't even say that, yeah
there's people I thought weregood.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
What did it feel like when you had that moment, when
you realized ooh, this person'snot.
It's very surface level I thinkpart of that is is when you're
(05:37):
as passionate about what you doas we are, like we care about
the business, we care about thepeople, like when you get into
this and you're taught okay,what's your why and how are you
going to do this and I thinkabout, like, paying it forward
and creating opportunities.
And the things I want to do forother people and this was a
quote last episode or maybe acouple ago is when you want it
for them more than they want itfor themselves, like that's a
reoccurring theme in what wetalk about and you want it for
(05:58):
them so bad and they're justthere for a quick buck.
You really feel it in your coreand in your heart.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You invest time, you invest money, resources and even
to the point where you knowyou're splitting money and
giving and doing the most youcan when you know that they just
turn around and be like, yeah,bye.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Evil partnerships and burned bridges.
I think you guys have broughtthem in.
We've talked, at least onseveral episodes, about how
important the circle is.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But if you think about it, how many years did you
have to go through throughbusinesses before that really
became?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
you know well, you let these people in your inner
circle, initially, to begin with, like you go to conventions
together, you have dinnerstogether, you hang out together,
you're in training classestogether, you eat together, you
drink together, you let them inand you're taught to be
vulnerable so that you canmotivate and inspire and have
this reciprocal relationship.
And then plot twist,conspiracies behind your back
(06:52):
gaslighting oh, that was badmanipulation.
Yeah, multi-million dollarlawsuits.
That's why we're here, that'swhy I put my foot down.
Yeah yeah business is closed.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
friendships nuked like, like nuclear explosion
which is that that's the partthat hurts the most.
I was just going to say I thinkthat's the part where you're
like whoa, like holy.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, and I think too , there are people that were
collateral damage that didn'tneed to be.
I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I would agree.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That's where I hurt myself more, because I wanted to
protect the people that neededto be protected so that they
weren't collateral damage.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, here's the other thing.
I really don't think thosepeople know that so the biggest
collateral damage was someonethat works for us right now, oh
Corey.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, sweet little Corey, you know he's the
sweetest kid.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Really to hear what people said about him.
It was part of a lawsuit.
Yeah, the kid won't even take adollar.
No, Like he won't.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Even he's the most kind, innocent.
Did you see the post I made himabout?
Well, he shared a story andthen I shared my opinion of that
story about he had a client theother day.
Listen to this.
He had a client.
Poor guy had day.
Listen to this.
He had a client.
Poor guy out of place.
Guy had a stroke.
He's like I need.
He calls cory.
He's like I need to move backan area closer to my kids.
I want to be near family.
Family is the most importantand and cory's like no, no, you
(08:11):
got to get healthy, you got toget strong.
The guy took like eight months,learned how to walk again, went
through physical therapy.
He's like cory, I'm ready, I'mready.
So cory like looks high and low, fine guy at place didn't have
a very big budget.
I mean this like this is not amulti-million, this is a little
like 130 000 condo.
This guy goes.
So when you think about he'snot doing it for the money,
right, right yeah so he gets himto closing.
(08:31):
The guy doesn't have anyone tobring him to the bank to get the
money for the down payment andclosing costs.
So go, cory goes, and he pickshim up the morning of, drives
him to the bank to get his moneyfor his cashier's check or wire
or whatever it is.
The bank's grilling him likethis is a scam.
You're a fraud.
What are you doing here withthis older man?
Blah, blah, blah.
They had to call the attorneys.
They called the title company.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I did not hear this part, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It went like crazy.
And so Corey's like, no, I'mjust the realtor, he's like, and
the bank's like well, realtors,don't pick up people and drive
them to the bank and do this.
He's like, well, I do so, thenhe takes them.
They finally get like theclearance.
They're like, okay, the guycouldn't get his own money
because they thought like yeah.
So then Corey takes them to thewalkthrough, drives them to the
final walkthrough.
They do the final walkthrough,then Corey takes them to the
closing, they do the closing,then Corey don't do, or like
(09:20):
that's.
So I just had to brag on himbecause that's the heart that
I've known him, of having hisentire life.
I've known the kid since he was10 years old and that's just
who he is.
So when we talk aboutcollateral damage, it's
heartbreaking that him and hisfamily, and so I did my best to
put my shield up to protect himas much as I could, where it
cost me tens of thousands ofdollars out of my pocket to hire
(09:40):
attorneys to protect him andother things like that, because
of the things that were saidabout him and the things that
were done to him and everythingelse.
So that's an interesting one.
So I have a note here how doyou navigate the wreckage when a
partnership dissolves in chaos?
How do you navigate thewreckage?
I think to let it blow up andburn.
I had business partners thatcalled the bank to try and have
bank accounts frozen on a Fridayafternoon when it was payroll
(10:04):
day, and which wasn't going toimpact me, like I wasn't getting
all of the employees when youtalk about collateral damage,
all of the employees would havenot gotten paid and those people
needed that money to feed theirfamilies, pay their mortgages,
pay their car payment, put gasin their car.
Fortunately, when you have so,here's how you navigate it.
You have to have goodrelationships everywhere.
Like your reputation matters,your relationships matter.
(10:26):
I had a good enoughrelationship with our banker
that the banker's like thisdoesn't sound right, something's
not right here.
What's going on, colleen?
And I'm like, hey, blah, blah,blah, this is what's happening.
And she's like okay, we'll giveyou some time to like get, get
the attorneys together, get itfigured out.
And you know, obviously it'snot indefinite.
But those were kids, and I saykids, they were young adults but
, I'm still responsible for them, right?
(10:46):
I needed to make sure you know.
The office manager got paid,the receptionist got paid, the
broker got paid, like all thesepeople that wouldn't have gotten
paid their payroll had I nothad those relationships.
So I think relationships mattera lot and that's how you
navigate it.
We've had people try topurposely break up our
friendship over the years.
Yeah, absolutely, and there wasa period of time where we
didn't maybe talk as much as wecould have.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Never burned any bridges.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Never burned them.
Us with each other.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, never burned.
No, but people try yeah, evensome of the Hardcore try yeah.
Like blaming me for stuff thatsome random other person did,
like a lender.
Yeah, what a piece of shit.
What a biatch to try and lookat you in the face and lie.
Looked at me in the face, satthere and said what?
Yeah, it's the same person thatwasn't at the restaurant, that
(11:31):
left with her husband the minutethat she seen us well, yeah,
when you see them out in publicand they get up and leave
mid-dinner and walk out therewas, I will say this burning
bridges and burning stuff down,ran into someone yeah, bart, ran
into someone at Juul who triedto screw us, who tried to like,
so they tried.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
So this is another group.
They tried to take our companyand then go start a new company
with the money from our companyunder a different LLC, but use
our DBA, and then had our moneyto pay their startup costs.
And did it illegally, withouteven being legally able to hold
a broker's license in that state.
There's a whole lot to unpackthere, but the person knows who
(12:08):
they are and knows what they did.
And we're in Jewel Shopping andthey have a cart full of
groceries and they see me andBart and they just leave their
cart and walk out.
Don't tell me that's not guiltCut off.
Swear to God, I can't say hisname.
No, you can't, and you'll haveto leave and we'll have to start
all over again.
(12:28):
Yeah, but I think.
So the lesson for our list.
So like we're telling storieshere, which is great, but I
think the lessons are like howyou navigate that and I think
for me too, and we're talkingabout me a lot, but I know you
have several of these storieslike I well, I was just talking
about one, I do on a smallerscale.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
it doesn't matter, it doesn't hurt any less.
It doesn no yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Whether it's one person or a dozen people, it
still hurts when someone triesto stick it to you.
Yeah, especially when you thinkthey're your friends.
And then those are done.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And the friendship's gone forever.
Yeah, like it's just done sowhich?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
is hurtful and sad, I think for me also is when
people try to kick you whenyou're down.
Probably a lot of our listenersknow, but not all that Like I
lost.
I lost my daughter in 2021.
And some people decided thatthat was their opportunity, that
they were going to step on topof me and push me down so they
could get to their next level.
Is anything I'm sayingincorrect?
No, right, no I think you knowI've heard the saying
(13:15):
opportunity versus opportunist.
And are they who are youlooking at Like are you getting
in business with?
So we talked about this acouple weeks ago with teams.
We talked about like, you wantto hire people that are looking
for an opportunity so you cancreate an opportunity.
You can build something amazingtogether.
But the real fine line is, areyou hiring someone who wants to
build something with you as anopportunity, or are they an
opportunist who's looking totake advantage of a situation?
(13:39):
And the first chance they getto take advantage of you, they
will?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I probably said that first year I was in the business
Like wow, everybody's lookingfor an opportunity.
I felt like nobody wanted toput their nose to the grindstone
and do what you had to do.
It was always what can I get,what can I do, which leads to
that mentality of let me step onyou, Let me kick you when
you're down.
You know let me try to getahead.
Not everybody, but a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
It really causes you to create your circle very small
, which is an oxymoron whenyou're talking about how to
build a big business and bring alot of people into your world.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
It's a lot of shit.
Yeah, we've seen a lot of shit.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Did you ignore any red flags at the time when you
were bringing people into yourworld?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I don't know if I had a lot of people in my world.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Kim, I can think of at least three instances off the
top of my head where you hadsomeone that was really close to
you and you got in businesswith them and it went sideways
and they tried to go scorchedearth on you.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And that's just me off the top of my head?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
No, for sure.
I had a couple people workingwith me.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
you know that were on my team, or people that maybe
you went to work with yeah, thatwanted to be business partners
yeah or even fucking imaginethat or vendor partners even
because?
Because your vendors are asmuch a partner as anybody else.
You're in a businessrelationship with those vendors
when you choose to bring them inyour world.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Stiffed, yeah, now that I think of several vendors
yeah, and now that we're talkingabout, now that we're talking
about it, I did yeah.
Now that we're talking, aboutit.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I didn't yeah that is true.
So did you ignore any red flags?
You bet, so what were they?
We can teach our listeners notto ignore those red flags.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I think, when they don't have a work ethic like you
, when they and I hate to say itlike this when I think
substance abuse comes into playand you ignore that, like, oh,
it's not that bad, we have aprime example of one of those in
our history too, yeah, where wetry, you know, and bart always
wants to be like the knight inshining armor and help people
and save people.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
And I can think of two people off the top of my
head and and I have a soft spotfor that because I've had
people- in my family that havegone through issues and you know
addict can recover yeah and so,but when you have someone who
is an alcoholic or an addict andyou bring them into their
business and maybe you don'tnecessarily know it, but you
know it doesn't take very longto figure it out.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
It doesn't take very long where you're like whoa,
that's not right.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And you know what's interesting.
I think also in hindsight,looking at it creating a space
where the other people in yourworld know it's okay to come to
you with that information,because we got out of business
with someone and I remember thisand we were in business with
them for a long time and theyhad a really bad drinking
problem and Katie came to melater and said so Katie's
obviously someone on our teamand she said well, the first
(16:12):
week I was there, this personsaid oh, we got to go buy
supplies and they took thecompany card and went and bought
booze.
And Katie's like can you dothat?
And she's like oh, don't worryabout it.
And so I'm like katie, whydidn't you ever say anything?
She was like well, I was new tothe team.
I'm like but I've known yousince you were a kid.
She's like yeah, but I didn'twant to rock the boat so I think
you have to create a spacewhere you're very clear on your
standards is the right world.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Or about what's allowed and what's not allowed.
Yeah, what's allowed and what'snot allowed yeah, I think you
have to be very clear about thatbut I will say this Would you
ever in a million years think no?
Why does that even have to be aconversation?
Well, In the norm.
You wouldn't think that wouldbe one of the rules when you're
bringing somebody in, were you?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
more angry or heartbroken.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well you know I go through anger and then it's
heartbreak.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So it's almost like all the stages of loss Of a
relationship, yeah, of grief orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Well, I think of a relationship, yeah, like a grief
or whatever.
Well, I think it's anger atfirst, because you're like holy
fuck, they did that, youmotherfuckers.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Well, you, yeah, we was.
Yes, bart lives in anger for alonger period of time than some
of us yeah, like I feel like itwas.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
It's anger, like your first reaction, which they say
anger is, you know, manifest.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I mean that's well it's one of the stages of grief.
Yeah, it's a.
It's, it's one of the stages ofgrief for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So then you're, you is, you know, manifest.
I mean that's hurt.
Well, it's one of the stages ofgrief, yeah, it's one of the
stages of grief, for sure.
So then you're hurt, you know,after the dust settles and
you're like, oh man, you know,and then it's acceptance, it's
like, well, that friendship orthat business portion is done,
so go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I mean pretty much.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So how do you handle it?
Publicly or privately?
I think my last falling out wasI don't know.
I think everybody knew butnever wanted to say anything.
I'm not very discreet either,like I don't give a fuck, like
here's what happened.
Yeah, he did this, she did that, and for me.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I always tried to keep it privately because I
never want to be the one and Ithink for me that backfired
because everybody had theirversion of the story that they
told and you know when you'renot telling your version and I
always just feel like you know,people that know me should know
me and I don't need to tell myversion of the story and that's
what sucks and I think.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
But I also think it helped weed out people that
maybe shouldn't have been in andI think too, in the position
you were in back then, it wasalmost like you had to take the
high road, you know, like youhad to take the high road
because there were so manymoving parts.
Well, and there were also legalthings involved like there were
lawsuits we'd find the lawsuit,someone else filed a lawsuit,
(18:35):
there's all kinds of that goingon, so so I should ask you how
did you handle it, how did youfeel when, those, when that was
happening?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
so there's a.
We've got like 17 differentthings that happened, so I can
think of and it makes it soundlike oh I have terrible business
I've had good businesses too,and good partnerships.
I mean like our partnership isamazing yeah, we've been in
business on and off togethermany, many times over and it's
been great.
And we've had cory and we'vehad plenty of people that we've
been in business with that havebeen phenomenal.
(19:04):
But I want people to learn fromthe shitty ones.
From a feeling perspective, Iknow I was devastated, I was
hurt.
Just as a human being, you wantpeople to like you.
You want to be accepted bypeople.
It's a human nature.
So when people are rejectingyou or saying negative things,
(19:26):
especially when they're not trueand you know they're not true,
that hurts you to your core ofwho you are, and I think a lot
so from looking.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
You know somebody from the outside looking in.
I think you were a scapegoatfor when it start.
You know when all that turmoilstarted?
It definitely was it's her,it's her, it's her.
She's the bad guy.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
There was a lot of premeditated, orchestrated
things for people that wantedthe financial opportunity and
the title and the prestige and Idon't want to say power,
because I don't feel like I hadpower, but I think some people
perceived it as power.
So I think there were peoplethat wanted you know, there's
that sign people want what youhave without taking the time to
build, what it took to build it,so they see you as an overnight
(20:06):
success and they don't see the10, 15 years you put in to build
it and they just want to justshow up and have it.
And so I think there was a lotof that and there was some
things that were orchestratedpretty in-depth and severely to
the point where, after the fact,people oh yeah, there were
secret meetings about you and Imean I've signed affidavits for
all this stuff.
(20:27):
So it's not like I can say whatI can say, because I've got the
facts to back it up, so I have.
There were secret meetings thathappened about like, oh, we're
going to do this to that bitchand we're going to do that and
like awful, awful things when Ilike, literally, am showing who
should have stopped, it didn't.
Yeah, you know, like, correctthe people who should have
(20:48):
stopped it didn't stop anything,but I think that I think the
overwhelming factor that goesback to all of it is greed.
It's absolutely great.
I mean, greed is the, greed isthe overrunning theme in it all.
And I will also say at somepoint it almost felt cult-like,
would you not?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
not agree with that.
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Like it becomes to the point where you know if you
speak out against it.
And so that's where I, bart andI, disagree, because I'll
defend some people that didn'tstand up and stop it or like
went along or just kept theirhead down and went with the flow
.
Because I feel like when you'rein a cult like they talk about
some of these differentreligious cults or whatever Like
people don't say anything,because they're so, first of all
(21:25):
, they're brainwashed andthey're ingrained to think that
this person's the best and thisleader's the best, everything
that flows down from them is thebest, and also they're afraid.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I feel like that's what it was.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
It's both of those things, yeah, and so I think
that you don't get to talk.
You were invited to be aspecial guest and you said you
didn't want to be a guest, soyou can't snide from the peanut
gallery if you don't want to beactually on camera.
Just so you know you can be onthe next one.
That's Bart over there.
We ain't having that topicgoing on next time.
You don't have a mic.
(21:58):
You have to be quiet.
No, they can't, they can't.
So here's a question companyfallout or getting out of
business with someone who youreally trusted.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I felt like I just had to cut it, burn it down and
start over.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
For me.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
How do you get out of it?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Because I feel like you, never Well I think about
even when you left one companyto go to the other company.
I'm trying to be verypolitically correct here.
When you left the one companyto go to the other company that
I wasn't at, that you were at,and we were swimming in the pool
and we were talking about it.
Lord, I remember.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Oh, I do, I do, and I was there and knew nothing.
I remember leaving there likewhat the fuck?
Like holy shit.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And it's go and again .
But even when you left there,as you were leaving there, you
were like holy shit, I didn'tthink they would treat me this
way.
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
They always say say like you should never burn
bridges, because you never knowyou might come back.
I mean, that's just.
I mean.
They lit that shit on fire.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Lit it on fire and fucking threw it out the door
throwing a bag of shit on theretoo, and letting it up for you
know when the little kids throwthe shit and they light it on
the porch.
That's what they did to you, tothe point where I was like.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I mean, I'm respectful like hey, I'm doing
this and I'm leaving, and I'mgoing and I'm blah blah blah,
and you didn't have to, I didnot have to be respectful.
It was to the point, you know,one was on the phone checking
the stock market and it's likeall right, well, fuck, you see,
ya, I couldn't get, I couldn'tleave, yeah, you couldn't run
out the door fast enough afterthat, right literally and so
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that's when kind of things start.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Your eyes start to open you're like oh, this is
what was going on.
When you start putting thepieces together, you're like, oh
well, in hindsight you can seea lot more like you're in this
microchasm, when you're in itand then you are out of it and
you're like, oh, I had a high,high level leader of the company
.
Tell me, colleen.
It feels like when you're in itthat this is the whole world.
(23:41):
And when you get out of it, andyou're out of that company and
you're out of it those, you'regoing to realize that all the
stuff that goes on there andthey do it doesn't even matter
in the big picture of the realestate industry.
So true, so insignificant.
He said.
And this was like a high, highlevel leader and I'm still
friends to that with this personand they really helped that.
He really helped me a lot toemotionally process and get
(24:02):
through some of the stress andthe things because we talked
about the gas, like gas lightingwas probably the worst thing.
Because you think to yourself,like did I do so?
Well, I got into business withthese people, so it's my fault.
Right, or I chose to be in atthis company, so it it's my
fault.
And, like you start thinking,okay, well, what did I do wrong
and what could I do better?
And how did how?
Is we're taught as leaders totake responsibility, to say
(24:23):
where's my DNA on this?
How did I show up wrong?
How could I have shown updifferently?
What could I have donedifferent?
which are all great things as aleader, right?
So someone who's a who's taughtto think that way, as a
high-level leader and ahigh-level coach, they start to
take that internally and itactually eats you up inside,
which is terrible.
And then, when you get out ofit and you have someone else who
is a high-level leader andthey're like it's not you and
(24:44):
here's what happened.
And then you hear one, two,three, four, ten, fifteen other
people reach out to you and tellyou well, that happened to me
too.
You're like thank, thank, andit's a bad thank god, because I
don't want that to have happenedanyone else.
but it's like okay, it wasn't me, I was being gaslighted and
that's what really sucks, reallybad I'm thinking sorry I'm like
on a ranting roll right now.
(25:05):
I'm just thinking in my headhow I mean we lost millions
literally and we'll get it allback.
I'm not, we're getting it allback like I mean just alone with
what our team is doing thisyear.
So I mean we're going to talkabout rebuilding.
I guess I'm jumping ahead twosegments.
So we'll talk about grievingfirst, but I mean there's a
whole rebuilding process thathappens.
How do you keep leading a teamor showing up for clients when
you're falling apart behind thescenes or on the inside?
(25:27):
I think it's part of who I am.
I drank a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
No, I'm just kidding, I did, I think for me it, I
mean the show must go on.
Yeah, that's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Well, I think so too.
You know, I always said tomyself there's too many damn
people that depend on me and I,you know, I can't wallow in
self-pity or grief or woe is meor being the victim, because
there's way too many people thatdepend on me to put my big
girl's hands on, pull them upand get back in the cell.
(26:00):
That's how I feel, and I didhave to navigate some like
technical timelines andloopholes and things like that
in order to do it with integrityand properly.
When other people are like whocares, just go out there and do
it, I'm like no, I want tofollow, like even when I got
kicked in the teeth, I stillwanted to have integrity behind
what I do which is kind ofmessed up.
Look at that.
I know he's like over there,just like bursting at the scenes
trying to what was your darkestday during things like this.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I don't know if I had , I think when I had left one
place and went to the other, Iwas very alone.
So you know I didn't have youknow somebody that came with me
or me, that you know people thatI bring with me or team members
.
I literally up and lefteverything that I knew alone and
made the switch in the move andstarted over by myself, you
(26:38):
know so I'm sorry, it's okay.
I wish I would have been therewith you.
I needed that.
I needed to burn it down to theground.
I needed to stand up on my owntwo feet and say you know what?
I don't need it.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I can actually visualize probably two of the
worst days that I had, like likeemotionally, like I mean, there
were lots of ups and downs thatwe went through and things like
that.
But I like remember the daysthat I felt the worst, and one
of them I can actually picturewhere I was standing, who I was
talking to, what I was feeling,and in the middle of the summer
one of them I was actually.
We were at Whitehorse, yeah,and we were having lunch.
(27:09):
I ordered a sandwichno-transcript, have this spippet
and it tracks your sleep andit's like, yeah, you slept for
15 minutes and like this wasgoing like day after day and I
(27:29):
wasn't taking any medications, Iwasn't on any drugs.
So like to stay up just for thatlong because you just can't
sleep is messed up.
And then the other time I wasstanding in my yard in the grass
and I remember I was on thephone with a girlfriend of mine,
who we were in business with aswell, who saw the writing on
the wall way earlier than me andgot out, just like you did,
right, like people see things attheir time, when it's their
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time, and I was just sharing herwhat happened, because I just
needed someone to talk to and Ifelt like you said, I felt so
alone because here's the thingat that point you start shutting
everyone else out because youdon't know who you can trust.
You're like is this persongoing to be the next one to turn
?
Is that going to be the nextperson to turn?
Is that going to be because youknow it's like a cancer?
can collapse do you ever think?
Did you ever, at that time,think about quitting altogether?
(28:11):
Yeah, me neither isn't thatinteresting.
Bart's like why don't you justquit, just take a buyout, quit
whatever.
I'm like no, I'll be damned ifI'm gonna let it stop me.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
No, I didn't, because I knew I was.
I knew what I was capable ofand you knew what you're made of
.
Yeah, I think it was more liketreading new water.
You know, it's like you likeit's a whole change of what my
business was was made of at thattime.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Well, I think also it allows you to experience a next
level of growing as a businessperson, as a human and just in
life.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And you know I think you know where we came from.
It is cult-like and you areused for years.
We're not talking a year or twoyears, we're talking 10 years.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I was there 14 years.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, I mean nine, nine and a half, and that's you
led to believe and that this isit.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
There's nothing else outside of this.
Everybody else is wrong orawful, or they don't know what
they're doing.
This is it.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
And don't get me wrong, I've learned a lot.
I've learned some greatbusiness things, but I've also
learned what I don't want to do.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
How I don't want to do business, who I don't want to
be in business with what?
Red flags to look out for?
How do you separate thebitterness so that it doesn't
carry on forward into your nextchapter?
No, that's when.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I drank a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
No, you barely drank yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
You know what For me?
I just to be honest, I just hadto shut the door.
That was it.
I just had to shut the door.
Try not to burn any bridges,because we all see each other
together too, you bet, and Ialways remember that, like as
much as I want to motherfucksomebody it's like just shut it
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and walk away.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Shut it and walk away in this instance.
Yeah, for me it was hard.
It was definitely hard.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Well, you had so many people again around you.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Well, because we had so many businesses.
That's what I mean.
Like me, I had a handful.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Which still hurt, yeah, nonetheless, but it would
have been even more difficult ifI had 40 people.
Did I have 40?
Probably Damn near, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I would say for me, not carrying it into the next
chapter was just no.
First of all, I think it's thenext group of people that I did
get into business with reallyhelped me with that a lot.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Like.
I think that the company thatwe're in business with now, all
the way to the tippy top,there's some really authentic,
kind, caring people that aretruly authentic.
And I use the word authenticbecause other companies and not
just the one we just came from,but other companies a lot of the
leaders or people would put onone face and pretend like that
(30:30):
they care about people or this,and when you see behind the
curtain you're like oh shit,this person is the most greedy,
self-centered, egotistical, allabout themselves person I ever
met in my life.
And maybe I could be wrongabout the people that I'm in
business with now and maybe it'sgoing to be a repeat 10 years
down the road.
I don't know, but I'm willingto risk it, based on knowing the
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red flags that I overlookedbefore.
I won't overlook again, and Ithink I'm a little more
standoffish about getting likediving in headfirst into the
deep end.
I've slowly gotten my feet wetthis time as opposed to jumping
all in from the get go, and nowI need to see that it actually
is true before I believe it,whereas before I'm like okay,
(31:11):
you tell me and I'm going tobelieve it.
So I would say that that'schanged, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And I was there too.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
What new rules or boundaries did you set for
yourself when building yourcircle back up For?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
me anyways.
I don't want to be friends witheverybody.
I like everybody, but I don'twant to be friends with
everybody like I was before.
I don't want to bend overbackwards for everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I don't want to.
When you learn some thingsabout people and you're like, oh
, that person's not a niceperson, it makes you more
cautious.
Sure, and I think that's whatthis time around it was like
what?
I just want a few good peopleKeep the circle small.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I don't need to be friends with everybody, tight
and small, yeah, I don't need tobe friends with everybody.
I don't need to please and dofor everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
How do you decide now who gets access to you?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Well, I think they come and go.
You know, I think it's for me.
I get to know you again, like Ihave to get to know who you are
, you know well.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I think you've even learned some things about me
over time.
Like, I think, even thoughwe've been close and friends for
a long time and in the back ofyour mind you were probably
still like, hmm, and then we'resitting somewhere and someone
tells you something.
You're like holy, you knowexactly the conversation that
I'm thinking of.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I was blown away because, you have people's back.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But you're still like could that really be true?
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
You think you hear someone and you're like, well,
holy shit, that was true you'relike oh, if, if they only could
hear what I just heard, or ifthey only knew what you know.
Then it's like oh, because youdo.
You always think like well, youknow, there's their side, yep.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And then somewhere in the middle is the truth.
And then you hear like a thirdparty that has a lot of
credibility and clout andability to just say to not have
any interest in the conversation, to tell you something that
validates You're like holy cow.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Well, you know, and to even like a good friend of
mine, which you know, who was arealtor, was like, oh, oh, you
know, I don't know, kevin, youknow my, my attorney friend said
this and my attorney friendsaid that.
And then, all of a sudden, youknow, a month or two ago, I was
like, oh, my attorney friendwants to sit down, oh, yeah,
yeah and meet with colleen andthe t.
(33:07):
I'm like, wait, isn't this thesame person?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
that was talking no way.
Who said no?
Yeah, yeah, the gossip in thisindustry is rampant and it's so
ironic that our code of ethicsspecifically prohibits it.
Nobody knows that Code ofethics says you shall not speak
disparagingly about anotherrealtor.
I mean, the gossip in thisindustry is so it's disgusting.
It's disgusting, it isdisgusting.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
How's your definition of team or partner changed?
I could tell you mine, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I think what we have built here has been is working
pretty well, and I think, too,it's because you learn from your
mistakes what you're not goingto tolerate, what you are going
to tolerate, what you should do,how you should treat people and
what you will take.
You know what you'll tolerate.
I think we had a good group asfar as our team.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
And some good people with integrity and honesty a
good group as far as our teamand some good yeah, people with
integrity and honesty.
Sure, I agree.
I think to me, that means morethan anything like work.
Ethic is just as important, butintegrity and honesty is huge
too.
It's like those two go hand inhand and so production is like a
ancillary thing.
If you show up with integrityand you put in the work, the
production will show upeventually, when we are the
other I was just reading thatsomewhere was it my buddy who
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was saying that.
I think it was I saw somethingand I it like kind of
revalidated.
I you know I talk about alexhermosi and leila hermosi all
the time, but he had a thingwhere, like a little reel or
clip, where he said it doesn'tmatter how much production or
how good someone is at sales orwhatever, if they are an asshole
, and he used the word asshole.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
If they're an asshole , they got to go.
I said that.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yep, absolutely About our just the tampon Right?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yes See, we have nicknames.
Yeah, so I wrote down herechoosing aligned collaborators,
not just convenient ones.
I think that's basically whatwe said Choosing people who have
the same core values.
The same vision, the same ethics, the same standards, and not
just someone that like, oh, theyfit into this box.
So, turning the pain into power, the silver lining, I would say
(35:03):
, is these breakups forcedgrowth, a lot of them.
As much as it hurt to gothrough it, I think it forced me
into the next chapter that Iprobably wasn't ready to open or
close the door on my own.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I for sure think that For you.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Well, you too, I mean when you're comfortable, even
though things are not going likeyou got money coming in and
you're in a comfortable spot.
You're not going to movenecessarily on your own.
So having that force to moveallows you the opportunity to
get into that next spot.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
For sure, Hindsight is 20-20, but for me you do have
to grow from that.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
What would you tell someone listening right now
who's in the middle of a similarsituation?
Do it Go, burn it down.
I mean get out.
I mean it's almost like beingin a bad marriage or a bad
relationship no-transcript.
(36:05):
What did I do wrong?
Where's my dna on this?
And there was the gaslighting,all the things.
Some of these bad businessrelationships are absolutely
akin to a abusive, bad marriageor bad relationship.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And so the whole process that you go through
internally is very similar togrieving that loss of that
relationship, because it's eventriggering, like if I see an
email pop up with a certainperson's name on it, it
literally still makes me sick tomy stomach.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I'm like why is this person emailing me?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I'm like oh, it's a candy or a letter.
Remember that letter I left onyour desk?
Yes, me I'm like oh, it's acandy or a letter.
Remember that letter I left onyour desk?
Yes, I was like why is thisperson mailing me a letter?
And then I left the envelope onkim's desk and she's like what?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
it was so weird and even write the letter with
someone on their staff thatobviously wrote it, didn't know,
but but still it triggers you.
I, I was gonna say, even whenyou well, look at us literally.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Who's who's got that?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
yeah, who's got that?
I mean, it just is what it is.
It is triggering.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
But I think betrayal also becomes a catalyst for
deeper alignment, for sure, andI feel like where we are now and
who we're in business now andyou know, there might be still
some people we get out ofbusiness with or get into
business with, and you know, Ithink no man's the same man
twice when he steps in a river.
How does it go?
(37:18):
Let me start over a man isnever the same man when he steps
in a river because he he's notthe same man and it's not the
same river, meaning that, like,where you are in your life is
going to be different, becauseyou're always going to be
growing, but also the worldaround you is going to be
changing and the people arechanging.
The only constant is changeitself, like nothing else is
constant.
Yeah, change is alwayshappening and I think where we
are aligned now is reallypowerful and that might change
(37:39):
in the future.
But I'm gonna live in a reallyhappy place in the moment with
the people in our tight littlecircle for where we are now and
we're gonna have a lot of fun,we're gonna work really hard,
we're gonna make a lot of moneytogether.
Did you see them numbers?
oh, you see the numbers for juneI haven't seen all the June
numbers, just the under contracttotals.
But I haven't, we haven't added.
But I saw those May numbers andI was like holy crap, yeah,
(38:00):
Kicking butt.
I mean we're on pace to dothree times the business we did
last year.
Pretty impressive, but I meanlast year we really only had a
third of the year.
So it makes sense Like Well,and it's pretty, I think we're
going to do this year, the kindof numbers that we like, oogled
people on stage before.
We're like oh, if we could onlydo that right and we're like
well, we can do better.
(38:20):
But I think that's the thingthat hurt and betrayal is the
stepping stone for the nextopportunity that allows you to
grow and flourish into your trueself and your true person of
who you should be.
And I will say, one of the otherthings that kind of really got
us through is there were somemore people who really were
there that stood by me and notall at my company now and not
(38:41):
all in business with me now likeI've got friends all over the
country that are really reallytrue awesome friends and we
laugh and joke and some of themare funny because of how they're
related in terms of otherpeople that work with other
people and things like that.
I can't disclose because Idon't want to get anybody in
trouble.
But you know, we make, we makejokes, like our birthday trip
last year, right, bart?
(39:02):
Oh, he's not saying anythingbecause I told him he couldn't
talk.
He's all busy with me now.
What do you know now?
For sure that you didn't knowbefore.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I definitely wouldn't get into the same business that
I did with the same people atthe same place, and I think for
me it's just.
I just wouldn't make the samemistake.
And not that they're mistakes,I shouldn't even say they were
mistakes, I think some of themare mistakes.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I mean some of them.
Here's what I'm going to sayTrust my gut more.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Because there were plenty of times where I was like
, oh you know, red flag, Likeyou have a the crap out of a
homeless bum on conventionbefore they joined the company
and we still got into businesswith them, and then they're the
ones that are trying to talkcrap about me and conspire
against me.
Yes, we know who you are.
Yeah, I remember that.
So I ignored the red flagsbecause I wanted to create
something so bad that I allowedmyself to be blinded by those
(39:50):
things.
Like I'm like oh no, it wasjust, it was a fluke.
It was no, it.
It's not a fluke when someonegets so smashed drunk that they
beat the hell out of someone onthe streets in another town, at
a convention, at a companythey're not even at yet you
should not get into businesswith that person.
That was after we were alreadyin business with them.
But yeah, there was, yeah,where he got into another fight
and beat the crap and my poorteam leader calls me crying
(40:11):
because one of her investors wasin a huge bar fight and was
beating the hell out of someoneand the police were coming and
they had to get in the bus andyou know, the stories that I
know about people that I haven'ttold, about people they should
be worried about.
Yeah, yeah that's ouch yeah.
I mean, there's a lot I've hadpeople that were so drunk that
I've had to dress them to getthem back on the bus and on the
plane.
(40:32):
I was just thinking about in myhead.
And then they go and turn aroundand call me every name in the
book, including like badass, andI think the exact terms were
elephant with an elephant emoji.
But see, I think the otherlesson is you have to have thick
skin and know that people, whenthey're in a desperate mode or
they're in a desperate situation, they're just throwing mud at
(40:53):
you because they don't know yeahwhatever right.
You forgot what I had to dressyou, though, right, I mean, it
wasn't, the person wasn't naked,but they had their swim trunks
on and I had it.
Like what, what is that about?
About the elephant?
Oh, she's so ugly face.
Something I forgot.
I was so ugly, not?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
you know the other person yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
But I mean he was still willing to talk about
someone else that way.
So, like, how do you?
That's a red flag.
I would think my number onepiece of advice for someone
currently navigating the samestorm is know that you're going
to be okay, you can survive, getout and get through it as fast
as you can, but know thatthere's light on the end of the
tunnel.
Yeah, trust your gut.
Don't ignore the red flags.
(41:34):
All of the above, those are allgreat ones, but you know what.
You're still going to makemistakes.
Don't beat yourself up over it.
Give yourself grace.
Like you're going to get intobusiness with someone.
You're like oh why did I dothat?
Like, just get out of it.
Get out of the situation anddon't avoid the conversation.
Hit the conversation head onand have it faster, because you
can always make more money yeah,and that's what I found out too
(41:55):
.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Even if you burn it to the ground, yeah, you're
still look at us.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Like you can sell multi-million dollar businesses
that all we had to burn to theground I mean somebody else lit
the torch.
We just kept letting it burnbecause what choice?
Was there at that point,friendships, I mean.
I've even had where we've hadpeople that were completely we
just don't talk to or whatever.
But we've even had, like familymembers that we've had to
navigate through, and that washard, that's hard, that was
(42:21):
really hard.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Well, you and me both , yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
That's hard.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
That's why I'm saying it's difficult.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Sometimes people who clap the loudest for you are the
ones that are waiting to takeyour place.
I would say that 100% you Iprobably had a target on my back
bigger than an elephant's ass.
I used to say it all the time.
That's going to be a quote onthe Instagram Target bigger than
an elephant's ass, I meanreally.
I mean I, but I mean Noteveryone who sits at your table
(42:47):
is praying for your feast.
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
It is Because that's true.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
And you know what you've seen.
This quote, not a backstabbing,motherfuckers, huh.
Yeah, I mean there are therereally are.
I mean really if you thinkabout it, but I think there's
how many billion people on thisplanet?
And you're going to have tonavigate through the shitty ones
to find the good, good ones.
The one thing that I will sayfrom the experience is I really
have developed some really greatfriendships all over the world.
(43:13):
Like I've got friends incountries, I've got friends in
other states that are truly likemy soul sisters Right.
Like like my friend Julie.
She's amazing.
Like I love her to death, likeanything I need I can call her
up, she can call me up Like it's, it's there, it's out.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
So there, I mean there a lot of good has come out
of some situations.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yeah, I mean friendships and friendship
breakups and business are realand they can destroy everything
if you let them.
You got to be the strong enoughone to in the butt when you can
.
And I will also say betrayaldoesn't break you.
It teaches you who you reallyare, that's true, like it
teaches you what you've got andhow you can pull from every
ounce that you have inside.
And yeah, kind of stand up,that is true we lost businesses,
(43:52):
businesses, we lost money, welost people, but we never lost
ourselves.
Amen.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Woo-hoo sister Amen.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
So I have a wrap-up message.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
That was a good one.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, it was good, we've been betrayed.
Yeah, we've cried, yeah, we'vecursed.
Yeah, we've closed companies.
Mm-hmm, and yet smarter andmore soul aligned than ever
before.
Yeah, if you've been through itor you're in it now we see you.
You're not alone.
Keep going.
Go do some epic shit, listen,subscribe, tune in Apple, amazon
(44:25):
, spotify, youtube.
We're there, peace out.
We lost businesses, we lost money, we lost people,
but we never lost ourselves.
Welcome, welcome to Do EpicShit.
I'm Colleen Baczynski, I'm KimNeal and we are here to talk
about friendship breakups inbusiness.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
She's a good one.
What no one talks about?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
So our theme today is how to survive betrayal rebuild
after being burned it's a goodone.
And protect your peace, whilestill showing up as a leader.
It's a great one.
So no one warns you that yourbiggest heartbreaks in business
won't come from losing deals.
They'll come from losing people.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Today we're talking about the ugly, unexpected side
of entrepreneurship.
When friendships go toxic, oh,very toxic, partners turn on you
, oh, and they turn.
And the people you trusted themost leave.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
You got it this is a shit nobody talks about, but we
will, absolutely, absolutelythis is actually a good one.
It's a raw one, yeah, this isgonna gut me a little bit just
talking about this one, I thinkso so we're gonna start out with
the breakup you never sawcoming and we didn't, and
there's been a few like there'smore than one we can talk about
and I don't want to say thatlike I'm naive, because I would
(01:05):
like to think that I'm not andI'm business savvy and that I
think we have a wait.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I just hate to interrupt, but we have a special
guest here with us today we do.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Oh, you mean a peanut gallery.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
We do, we do, yeah, and he's over there shaking his
head.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I think he lived through it too he had this
uncanny knack of seeing thingshappen before they played out in
real life, but it wasn't in theinitial stages, it was right
before it happened.
So we were already in businesswith some people and then he was
like this is happening.
And I'm like no, it's not.
I'm like you don't know whatyou're talking about, you're
crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And then lo and behold it literally played out
like that.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm, we've had you.
I think we're not going to namenames.
Absolutely, but we're going totalk about scenarios like how it
feels when someone you thoughtwas your ride or die flips on
you.
And when I say flip, I meantotal 180.
I mean Kim, you've had teammembers who have gone completely
off the rails.
Yeah, friends that you thoughtwere friends that weren't.
Because if your friends, thiswouldn't have happened but you
know what?
here's what I'll say, and thisisn't in our paper.
(02:04):
This is like just talking fromthe heart.
Money makes people do crazyshit and someone who's good at
their core can stay good attheir core, but if you have just
an ounce of ugly in you, moneyamplifies that like a microscope
and I feel like it's all theyjustify it's justifiable when
really it's not.
It's either right or wrong likeoh well, it's okay, blah, blah.
Or you know, this is what ittakes to get ahead.
(02:25):
And I will say that you know,business can be ruthless, right
Like the business world ingeneral is ruthless.
We've heard corporate ladder isruthless, but when it's your
friend and you get in businesstogether, you're doing it
because you think it's going tobe.
That you can your back.
I don't even have enoughfingers to count them.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, you for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Thanks For sure.
Have you ever heard that therewas that meme that said
something about like.
They're talking about me and Ican't wait to see what they're
going to say next.
Like.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I can't wait to see what I do next right.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Well, I think for you the reason why group, you know
you were in such a big group.
Well, you have multiplebusinesses and you have multiple
partners.
In each business there's moreopportunities for it to go
sideways.
And in real estate, I thinkwe're in such a business with
colleagues.
The way we interact with eachother and we hang out together
it forces us to be friends withpeople that we might not
ordinarily otherwise be friendswith?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Absolutely not.
I can name 20 that I wouldn'teven be Good question.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I think there's a shock factor that happens.
And then you go through thegrief and the heartbreak and the
what the f*** moments.
I would say betrayal in thisbusiness hits just as hard as
romantic heartbreak.
You bet A hundred times over.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And it is almost one and the same.
Because you're up at night,you're losing sleep.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You are non-functional for a while.
You know what I mean.
That those first couple days Ican tell you that in a couple of
the instances and we'll talkabout these stories I went at
least a week without eating andwhen I say without eating I mean
nothing, and bart can attest tothat like I literally would
take a bite of food and I wouldget nauseous and I wouldn't be
able to eat, and that went onfor about five, six, seven days
and then, like shit had to comeand hit ahead right.
So that betrayal, it hits hardand I would say also, as I think
, as we're sitting here justlike kind of just putting it out
(04:07):
there, it also is because youspend more time with your work
people than you do with yourfamily.
A lot of times like think howmany hours a week, okay, how
many hours a day are you at?
12, 13, yeah, 16, 16, okaylet's say you sleep eight hours
a day, so you have 16 hours.
You spend 10 hours at work.
You're spending more time withthose work people than you are
with your own family, I know sothat that hurts or even if it's
(04:29):
even even if it's eight andeight right, it's still
equivalent like you're spendingas much time.
So you feel like and I knowwe've taken a lot of people in,
whether it's our team or thebusinesses we own, whether it
was our real estate businessesor our title businesses, even
the coaching business, like allthe things we had we would treat
and Bart especially and I'msure he'll pipe in over there
like he treated people, likethey were family, like there
were some people that like hetreated them like they were his
(04:50):
kids, like his own children, andthat like it's like taking a
knife and just twisting itinside of you.
So, kim, let me ask you aquestion.
Was there a moment you realizedthat you know, in one of these
instances, this person is notwho I thought they were?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Oh, this one's going to be good, absolutely, even now
, when we talk about it Likeeven just me asking the question
.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I could see your mannerism change.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
There's so many people that you thought and then
it's not that they're, Ishouldn't even say that, yeah
there's people I thought weregood.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
What did it feel like when you had that moment, when
you realized ooh, this person'snot.
It's very surface level I thinkpart of that is is when you're
(05:37):
as passionate about what you doas we are, like we care about
the business, we care about thepeople, like when you get into
this and you're taught okay,what's your why and how are you
going to do this and I thinkabout, like, paying it forward
and creating opportunities.
And the things I want to do forother people and this was a
quote last episode or maybe acouple ago is when you want it
for them more than they want itfor themselves, like that's a
reoccurring theme in what wetalk about and you want it for
(05:58):
them so bad and they're justthere for a quick buck.
You really feel it in your coreand in your heart.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You invest time, you invest money, resources and even
to the point where you knowyou're splitting money and
giving and doing the most youcan when you know that they just
turn around and be like, yeah,bye.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Evil partnerships and burned bridges.
I think you guys have broughtthem in.
We've talked, at least onseveral episodes, about how
important the circle is.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But if you think about it, how many years did you
have to go through throughbusinesses before that really
became?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
you know well, you let these people in your inner
circle, initially, to begin with, like you go to conventions
together, you have dinnerstogether, you hang out together,
you're in training classestogether, you eat together, you
drink together, you let them inand you're taught to be
vulnerable so that you canmotivate and inspire and have
this reciprocal relationship.
And then plot twist,conspiracies behind your back
(06:52):
gaslighting oh, that was badmanipulation.
Yeah, multi-million dollarlawsuits.
That's why we're here, that'swhy I put my foot down.
Yeah yeah business is closed.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
friendships nuked like, like nuclear explosion
which is that that's the partthat hurts the most.
I was just going to say I thinkthat's the part where you're
like whoa, like holy.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, and I think too , there are people that were
collateral damage that didn'tneed to be.
I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I would agree.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That's where I hurt myself more, because I wanted to
protect the people that neededto be protected so that they
weren't collateral damage.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, here's the other thing.
I really don't think thosepeople know that so the biggest
collateral damage was someonethat works for us right now, oh
Corey.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, sweet little Corey, you know he's the
sweetest kid.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Really to hear what people said about him.
It was part of a lawsuit.
Yeah, the kid won't even take adollar.
No, Like he won't.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Even he's the most kind, innocent.
Did you see the post I made himabout?
Well, he shared a story andthen I shared my opinion of that
story about he had a client theother day.
Listen to this.
He had a client.
Poor guy had day.
Listen to this.
He had a client.
Poor guy out of place.
Guy had a stroke.
He's like I need.
He calls cory.
He's like I need to move backan area closer to my kids.
I want to be near family.
Family is the most importantand and cory's like no, no, you
(08:11):
got to get healthy, you got toget strong.
The guy took like eight months,learned how to walk again, went
through physical therapy.
He's like cory, I'm ready, I'mready.
So cory like looks high and low, fine guy at place didn't have
a very big budget.
I mean this like this is not amulti-million, this is a little
like 130 000 condo.
This guy goes.
So when you think about he'snot doing it for the money,
right, right yeah so he gets himto closing.
(08:31):
The guy doesn't have anyone tobring him to the bank to get the
money for the down payment andclosing costs.
So go, cory goes, and he pickshim up the morning of, drives
him to the bank to get his moneyfor his cashier's check or wire
or whatever it is.
The bank's grilling him likethis is a scam.
You're a fraud.
What are you doing here withthis older man?
Blah, blah, blah.
They had to call the attorneys.
They called the title company.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I did not hear this part, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It went like crazy.
And so Corey's like, no, I'mjust the realtor, he's like, and
the bank's like well, realtors,don't pick up people and drive
them to the bank and do this.
He's like, well, I do so, thenhe takes them.
They finally get like theclearance.
They're like, okay, the guycouldn't get his own money
because they thought like yeah.
So then Corey takes them to thewalkthrough, drives them to the
final walkthrough.
They do the final walkthrough,then Corey takes them to the
closing, they do the closing,then Corey don't do, or like
(09:20):
that's.
So I just had to brag on himbecause that's the heart that
I've known him, of having hisentire life.
I've known the kid since he was10 years old and that's just
who he is.
So when we talk aboutcollateral damage, it's
heartbreaking that him and hisfamily, and so I did my best to
put my shield up to protect himas much as I could, where it
cost me tens of thousands ofdollars out of my pocket to hire
(09:40):
attorneys to protect him andother things like that, because
of the things that were saidabout him and the things that
were done to him and everythingelse.
So that's an interesting one.
So I have a note here how doyou navigate the wreckage when a
partnership dissolves in chaos?
How do you navigate thewreckage?
I think to let it blow up andburn.
I had business partners thatcalled the bank to try and have
bank accounts frozen on a Fridayafternoon when it was payroll
(10:04):
day, and which wasn't going toimpact me, like I wasn't getting
all of the employees when youtalk about collateral damage,
all of the employees would havenot gotten paid and those people
needed that money to feed theirfamilies, pay their mortgages,
pay their car payment, put gasin their car.
Fortunately, when you have so,here's how you navigate it.
You have to have goodrelationships everywhere.
Like your reputation matters,your relationships matter.
(10:26):
I had a good enoughrelationship with our banker
that the banker's like thisdoesn't sound right, something's
not right here.
What's going on, colleen?
And I'm like, hey, blah, blah,blah, this is what's happening.
And she's like okay, we'll giveyou some time to like get, get
the attorneys together, get itfigured out.
And you know, obviously it'snot indefinite.
But those were kids, and I saykids, they were young adults but
, I'm still responsible for them, right?
(10:46):
I needed to make sure you know.
The office manager got paid,the receptionist got paid, the
broker got paid, like all thesepeople that wouldn't have gotten
paid their payroll had I nothad those relationships.
So I think relationships mattera lot and that's how you
navigate it.
We've had people try topurposely break up our
friendship over the years.
Yeah, absolutely, and there wasa period of time where we
didn't maybe talk as much as wecould have.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Never burned any bridges.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Never burned them.
Us with each other.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, never burned.
No, but people try yeah, evensome of the Hardcore try yeah.
Like blaming me for stuff thatsome random other person did,
like a lender.
Yeah, what a piece of shit.
What a biatch to try and lookat you in the face and lie.
Looked at me in the face, satthere and said what?
Yeah, it's the same person thatwasn't at the restaurant, that
(11:31):
left with her husband the minutethat she seen us well, yeah,
when you see them out in publicand they get up and leave
mid-dinner and walk out therewas, I will say this burning
bridges and burning stuff down,ran into someone yeah, bart, ran
into someone at Juul who triedto screw us, who tried to like,
so they tried.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
So this is another group.
They tried to take our companyand then go start a new company
with the money from our companyunder a different LLC, but use
our DBA, and then had our moneyto pay their startup costs.
And did it illegally, withouteven being legally able to hold
a broker's license in that state.
There's a whole lot to unpackthere, but the person knows who
(12:08):
they are and knows what they did.
And we're in Jewel Shopping andthey have a cart full of
groceries and they see me andBart and they just leave their
cart and walk out.
Don't tell me that's not guiltCut off.
Swear to God, I can't say hisname.
No, you can't, and you'll haveto leave and we'll have to start
all over again.
(12:28):
Yeah, but I think.
So the lesson for our list.
So like we're telling storieshere, which is great, but I
think the lessons are like howyou navigate that and I think
for me too, and we're talkingabout me a lot, but I know you
have several of these storieslike I well, I was just talking
about one, I do on a smallerscale.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
it doesn't matter, it doesn't hurt any less.
It doesn no yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Whether it's one person or a dozen people, it
still hurts when someone triesto stick it to you.
Yeah, especially when you thinkthey're your friends.
And then those are done.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And the friendship's gone forever.
Yeah, like it's just done sowhich?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
is hurtful and sad, I think for me also is when
people try to kick you whenyou're down.
Probably a lot of our listenersknow, but not all that Like I
lost.
I lost my daughter in 2021.
And some people decided thatthat was their opportunity, that
they were going to step on topof me and push me down so they
could get to their next level.
Is anything I'm sayingincorrect?
No, right, no I think you knowI've heard the saying
(13:15):
opportunity versus opportunist.
And are they who are youlooking at Like are you getting
in business with?
So we talked about this acouple weeks ago with teams.
We talked about like, you wantto hire people that are looking
for an opportunity so you cancreate an opportunity.
You can build something amazingtogether.
But the real fine line is, areyou hiring someone who wants to
build something with you as anopportunity, or are they an
opportunist who's looking totake advantage of a situation?
(13:39):
And the first chance they getto take advantage of you, they
will?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I probably said that first year I was in the business
Like wow, everybody's lookingfor an opportunity.
I felt like nobody wanted toput their nose to the grindstone
and do what you had to do.
It was always what can I get,what can I do, which leads to
that mentality of let me step onyou, Let me kick you when
you're down.
You know let me try to getahead.
Not everybody, but a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
It really causes you to create your circle very small
, which is an oxymoron whenyou're talking about how to
build a big business and bring alot of people into your world.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
It's a lot of shit.
Yeah, we've seen a lot of shit.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Did you ignore any red flags at the time when you
were bringing people into yourworld?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I don't know if I had a lot of people in my world.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Kim, I can think of at least three instances off the
top of my head where you hadsomeone that was really close to
you and you got in businesswith them and it went sideways
and they tried to go scorchedearth on you.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And that's just me off the top of my head?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
No, for sure.
I had a couple people workingwith me.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
you know that were on my team, or people that maybe
you went to work with yeah, thatwanted to be business partners
yeah or even fucking imaginethat or vendor partners even
because?
Because your vendors are asmuch a partner as anybody else.
You're in a businessrelationship with those vendors
when you choose to bring them inyour world.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Stiffed, yeah, now that I think of several vendors
yeah, and now that we're talkingabout, now that we're talking
about it, I did yeah.
Now that we're talking, aboutit.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I didn't yeah that is true.
So did you ignore any red flags?
You bet, so what were they?
We can teach our listeners notto ignore those red flags.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I think, when they don't have a work ethic like you
, when they and I hate to say itlike this when I think
substance abuse comes into playand you ignore that, like, oh,
it's not that bad, we have aprime example of one of those in
our history too, yeah, where wetry, you know, and bart always
wants to be like the knight inshining armor and help people
and save people.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
And I can think of two people off the top of my
head and and I have a soft spotfor that because I've had
people- in my family that havegone through issues and you know
addict can recover yeah and so,but when you have someone who
is an alcoholic or an addict andyou bring them into their
business and maybe you don'tnecessarily know it, but you
know it doesn't take very longto figure it out.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
It doesn't take very long where you're like whoa,
that's not right.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And you know what's interesting.
I think also in hindsight,looking at it creating a space
where the other people in yourworld know it's okay to come to
you with that information,because we got out of business
with someone and I remember thisand we were in business with
them for a long time and theyhad a really bad drinking
problem and Katie came to melater and said so Katie's
obviously someone on our teamand she said well, the first
(16:12):
week I was there, this personsaid oh, we got to go buy
supplies and they took thecompany card and went and bought
booze.
And Katie's like can you dothat?
And she's like oh, don't worryabout it.
And so I'm like katie, whydidn't you ever say anything?
She was like well, I was new tothe team.
I'm like but I've known yousince you were a kid.
She's like yeah, but I didn'twant to rock the boat so I think
you have to create a spacewhere you're very clear on your
standards is the right world.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Or about what's allowed and what's not allowed.
Yeah, what's allowed and what'snot allowed yeah, I think you
have to be very clear about thatbut I will say this Would you
ever in a million years think no?
Why does that even have to be aconversation?
Well, In the norm.
You wouldn't think that wouldbe one of the rules when you're
bringing somebody in, were you?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
more angry or heartbroken.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well you know I go through anger and then it's
heartbreak.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So it's almost like all the stages of loss Of a
relationship, yeah, of grief orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Well, I think of a relationship, yeah, like a grief
or whatever.
Well, I think it's anger atfirst, because you're like holy
fuck, they did that, youmotherfuckers.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Well, you, yeah, we was.
Yes, bart lives in anger for alonger period of time than some
of us yeah, like I feel like itwas.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
It's anger, like your first reaction, which they say
anger is, you know, manifest.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I mean that's well it's one of the stages of grief.
Yeah, it's a.
It's, it's one of the stages ofgrief for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So then you're, you is, you know, manifest.
I mean that's hurt.
Well, it's one of the stages ofgrief, yeah, it's one of the
stages of grief, for sure.
So then you're hurt, you know,after the dust settles and
you're like, oh man, you know,and then it's acceptance, it's
like, well, that friendship orthat business portion is done,
so go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I mean pretty much.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So how do you handle it?
Publicly or privately?
I think my last falling out wasI don't know.
I think everybody knew butnever wanted to say anything.
I'm not very discreet either,like I don't give a fuck, like
here's what happened.
Yeah, he did this, she did that, and for me.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I always tried to keep it privately because I
never want to be the one and Ithink for me that backfired
because everybody had theirversion of the story that they
told and you know when you'renot telling your version and I
always just feel like you know,people that know me should know
me and I don't need to tell myversion of the story and that's
what sucks and I think.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
But I also think it helped weed out people that
maybe shouldn't have been in andI think too, in the position
you were in back then, it wasalmost like you had to take the
high road, you know, like youhad to take the high road
because there were so manymoving parts.
Well, and there were also legalthings involved like there were
lawsuits we'd find the lawsuit,someone else filed a lawsuit,
(18:35):
there's all kinds of that goingon, so so I should ask you how
did you handle it, how did youfeel when, those, when that was
happening?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
so there's a.
We've got like 17 differentthings that happened, so I can
think of and it makes it soundlike oh I have terrible business
I've had good businesses too,and good partnerships.
I mean like our partnership isamazing yeah, we've been in
business on and off togethermany, many times over and it's
been great.
And we've had cory and we'vehad plenty of people that we've
been in business with that havebeen phenomenal.
(19:04):
But I want people to learn fromthe shitty ones.
From a feeling perspective, Iknow I was devastated, I was
hurt.
Just as a human being, you wantpeople to like you.
You want to be accepted bypeople.
It's a human nature.
So when people are rejectingyou or saying negative things,
(19:26):
especially when they're not trueand you know they're not true,
that hurts you to your core ofwho you are, and I think a lot
so from looking.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
You know somebody from the outside looking in.
I think you were a scapegoatfor when it start.
You know when all that turmoilstarted?
It definitely was it's her,it's her, it's her.
She's the bad guy.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
There was a lot of premeditated, orchestrated
things for people that wantedthe financial opportunity and
the title and the prestige and Idon't want to say power,
because I don't feel like I hadpower, but I think some people
perceived it as power.
So I think there were peoplethat wanted you know, there's
that sign people want what youhave without taking the time to
build, what it took to build it,so they see you as an overnight
(20:06):
success and they don't see the10, 15 years you put in to build
it and they just want to justshow up and have it.
And so I think there was a lotof that and there was some
things that were orchestratedpretty in-depth and severely to
the point where, after the fact,people oh yeah, there were
secret meetings about you and Imean I've signed affidavits for
all this stuff.
(20:27):
So it's not like I can say whatI can say, because I've got the
facts to back it up, so I have.
There were secret meetings thathappened about like, oh, we're
going to do this to that bitchand we're going to do that and
like awful, awful things when Ilike, literally, am showing who
should have stopped, it didn't.
Yeah, you know, like, correctthe people who should have
(20:48):
stopped it didn't stop anything,but I think that I think the
overwhelming factor that goesback to all of it is greed.
It's absolutely great.
I mean, greed is the, greed isthe overrunning theme in it all.
And I will also say at somepoint it almost felt cult-like,
would you not?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
not agree with that.
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Like it becomes to the point where you know if you
speak out against it.
And so that's where I, bart andI, disagree, because I'll
defend some people that didn'tstand up and stop it or like
went along or just kept theirhead down and went with the flow
.
Because I feel like when you'rein a cult like they talk about
some of these differentreligious cults or whatever Like
people don't say anything,because they're so, first of all
(21:25):
, they're brainwashed andthey're ingrained to think that
this person's the best and thisleader's the best, everything
that flows down from them is thebest, and also they're afraid.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I feel like that's what it was.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
It's both of those things, yeah, and so I think
that you don't get to talk.
You were invited to be aspecial guest and you said you
didn't want to be a guest, soyou can't snide from the peanut
gallery if you don't want to beactually on camera.
Just so you know you can be onthe next one.
That's Bart over there.
We ain't having that topicgoing on next time.
You don't have a mic.
(21:58):
You have to be quiet.
No, they can't, they can't.
So here's a question companyfallout or getting out of
business with someone who youreally trusted.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I felt like I just had to cut it, burn it down and
start over.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
For me.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
How do you get out of it?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Because I feel like you, never Well I think about
even when you left one companyto go to the other company.
I'm trying to be verypolitically correct here.
When you left the one companyto go to the other company that
I wasn't at, that you were at,and we were swimming in the pool
and we were talking about it.
Lord, I remember.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Oh, I do, I do, and I was there and knew nothing.
I remember leaving there likewhat the fuck?
Like holy shit.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And it's go and again .
But even when you left there,as you were leaving there, you
were like holy shit, I didn'tthink they would treat me this
way.
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
They always say say like you should never burn
bridges, because you never knowyou might come back.
I mean, that's just.
I mean.
They lit that shit on fire.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Lit it on fire and fucking threw it out the door
throwing a bag of shit on theretoo, and letting it up for you
know when the little kids throwthe shit and they light it on
the porch.
That's what they did to you, tothe point where I was like.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I mean, I'm respectful like hey, I'm doing
this and I'm leaving, and I'mgoing and I'm blah blah blah,
and you didn't have to, I didnot have to be respectful.
It was to the point, you know,one was on the phone checking
the stock market and it's likeall right, well, fuck, you see,
ya, I couldn't get, I couldn'tleave, yeah, you couldn't run
out the door fast enough afterthat, right literally and so
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that's when kind of things start.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Your eyes start to open you're like oh, this is
what was going on.
When you start putting thepieces together, you're like, oh
well, in hindsight you can seea lot more like you're in this
microchasm, when you're in itand then you are out of it and
you're like, oh, I had a high,high level leader of the company
.
Tell me, colleen.
It feels like when you're in itthat this is the whole world.
(23:41):
And when you get out of it, andyou're out of that company and
you're out of it those, you'regoing to realize that all the
stuff that goes on there andthey do it doesn't even matter
in the big picture of the realestate industry.
So true, so insignificant.
He said.
And this was like a high, highlevel leader and I'm still
friends to that with this personand they really helped that.
He really helped me a lot toemotionally process and get
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through some of the stress andthe things because we talked
about the gas, like gas lightingwas probably the worst thing.
Because you think to yourself,like did I do so?
Well, I got into business withthese people, so it's my fault.
Right, or I chose to be in atthis company, so it it's my
fault.
And, like you start thinking,okay, well, what did I do wrong
and what could I do better?
And how did how?
Is we're taught as leaders totake responsibility, to say
(24:23):
where's my DNA on this?
How did I show up wrong?
How could I have shown updifferently?
What could I have donedifferent?
which are all great things as aleader, right?
So someone who's a who's taughtto think that way, as a
high-level leader and ahigh-level coach, they start to
take that internally and itactually eats you up inside,
which is terrible.
And then, when you get out ofit and you have someone else who
is a high-level leader andthey're like it's not you and
(24:44):
here's what happened.
And then you hear one, two,three, four, ten, fifteen other
people reach out to you and tellyou well, that happened to me
too.
You're like thank, thank, andit's a bad thank god, because I
don't want that to have happenedanyone else.
but it's like okay, it wasn't me, I was being gaslighted and
that's what really sucks, reallybad I'm thinking sorry I'm like
on a ranting roll right now.
(25:05):
I'm just thinking in my headhow I mean we lost millions
literally and we'll get it allback.
I'm not, we're getting it allback like I mean just alone with
what our team is doing thisyear.
So I mean we're going to talkabout rebuilding.
I guess I'm jumping ahead twosegments.
So we'll talk about grievingfirst, but I mean there's a
whole rebuilding process thathappens.
How do you keep leading a teamor showing up for clients when
you're falling apart behind thescenes or on the inside?
(25:27):
I think it's part of who I am.
I drank a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
No, I'm just kidding, I did, I think for me it, I
mean the show must go on.
Yeah, that's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Well, I think so too.
You know, I always said tomyself there's too many damn
people that depend on me and I,you know, I can't wallow in
self-pity or grief or woe is meor being the victim, because
there's way too many people thatdepend on me to put my big
girl's hands on, pull them upand get back in the cell.
(26:00):
That's how I feel, and I didhave to navigate some like
technical timelines andloopholes and things like that
in order to do it with integrityand properly.
When other people are like whocares, just go out there and do
it, I'm like no, I want tofollow, like even when I got
kicked in the teeth, I stillwanted to have integrity behind
what I do which is kind ofmessed up.
Look at that.
I know he's like over there,just like bursting at the scenes
trying to what was your darkestday during things like this.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I don't know if I had , I think when I had left one
place and went to the other, Iwas very alone.
So you know I didn't have youknow somebody that came with me
or me, that you know people thatI bring with me or team members
.
I literally up and lefteverything that I knew alone and
made the switch in the move andstarted over by myself, you
(26:38):
know so I'm sorry, it's okay.
I wish I would have been therewith you.
I needed that.
I needed to burn it down to theground.
I needed to stand up on my owntwo feet and say you know what?
I don't need it.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I can actually visualize probably two of the
worst days that I had, like likeemotionally, like I mean, there
were lots of ups and downs thatwe went through and things like
that.
But I like remember the daysthat I felt the worst, and one
of them I can actually picturewhere I was standing, who I was
talking to, what I was feeling,and in the middle of the summer
one of them I was actually.
We were at Whitehorse, yeah,and we were having lunch.
(27:09):
I ordered a sandwichno-transcript, have this spippet
and it tracks your sleep andit's like, yeah, you slept for
15 minutes and like this wasgoing like day after day and I
(27:29):
wasn't taking any medications, Iwasn't on any drugs.
So like to stay up just for thatlong because you just can't
sleep is messed up.
And then the other time I wasstanding in my yard in the grass
and I remember I was on thephone with a girlfriend of mine,
who we were in business with aswell, who saw the writing on
the wall way earlier than me andgot out, just like you did,
right, like people see things attheir time, when it's their
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time, and I was just sharing herwhat happened, because I just
needed someone to talk to and Ifelt like you said, I felt so
alone because here's the thingat that point you start shutting
everyone else out because youdon't know who you can trust.
You're like is this persongoing to be the next one to turn
?
Is that going to be the nextperson to turn?
Is that going to be because youknow it's like a cancer?
can collapse do you ever think?
Did you ever, at that time,think about quitting altogether?
(28:11):
Yeah, me neither isn't thatinteresting.
Bart's like why don't you justquit, just take a buyout, quit
whatever.
I'm like no, I'll be damned ifI'm gonna let it stop me.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
No, I didn't, because I knew I was.
I knew what I was capable ofand you knew what you're made of
.
Yeah, I think it was more liketreading new water.
You know, it's like you likeit's a whole change of what my
business was was made of at thattime.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Well, I think also it allows you to experience a next
level of growing as a businessperson, as a human and just in
life.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And you know I think you know where we came from.
It is cult-like and you areused for years.
We're not talking a year or twoyears, we're talking 10 years.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I was there 14 years.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, I mean nine, nine and a half, and that's you
led to believe and that this isit.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
There's nothing else outside of this.
Everybody else is wrong orawful, or they don't know what
they're doing.
This is it.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
And don't get me wrong, I've learned a lot.
I've learned some greatbusiness things, but I've also
learned what I don't want to do.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
How I don't want to do business, who I don't want to
be in business with what?
Red flags to look out for?
How do you separate thebitterness so that it doesn't
carry on forward into your nextchapter?
No, that's when.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I drank a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
No, you barely drank yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
You know what For me?
I just to be honest, I just hadto shut the door.
That was it.
I just had to shut the door.
Try not to burn any bridges,because we all see each other
together too, you bet, and Ialways remember that, like as
much as I want to motherfucksomebody it's like just shut it
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and walk away.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Shut it and walk away in this instance.
Yeah, for me it was hard.
It was definitely hard.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Well, you had so many people again around you.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Well, because we had so many businesses.
That's what I mean.
Like me, I had a handful.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Which still hurt, yeah, nonetheless, but it would
have been even more difficult ifI had 40 people.
Did I have 40?
Probably Damn near, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I would say for me, not carrying it into the next
chapter was just no.
First of all, I think it's thenext group of people that I did
get into business with reallyhelped me with that a lot.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Like.
I think that the company thatwe're in business with now, all
the way to the tippy top,there's some really authentic,
kind, caring people that aretruly authentic.
And I use the word authenticbecause other companies and not
just the one we just came from,but other companies a lot of the
leaders or people would put onone face and pretend like that
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they care about people or this,and when you see behind the
curtain you're like oh shit,this person is the most greedy,
self-centered, egotistical, allabout themselves person I ever
met in my life.
And maybe I could be wrongabout the people that I'm in
business with now and maybe it'sgoing to be a repeat 10 years
down the road.
I don't know, but I'm willingto risk it, based on knowing the
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red flags that I overlookedbefore.
I won't overlook again, and Ithink I'm a little more
standoffish about getting likediving in headfirst into the
deep end.
I've slowly gotten my feet wetthis time as opposed to jumping
all in from the get go, and nowI need to see that it actually
is true before I believe it,whereas before I'm like okay,
(31:11):
you tell me and I'm going tobelieve it.
So I would say that that'schanged, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And I was there too.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
What new rules or boundaries did you set for
yourself when building yourcircle back up For?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
me anyways.
I don't want to be friends witheverybody.
I like everybody, but I don'twant to be friends with
everybody like I was before.
I don't want to bend overbackwards for everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I don't want to.
When you learn some thingsabout people and you're like, oh
, that person's not a niceperson, it makes you more
cautious.
Sure, and I think that's whatthis time around it was like
what?
I just want a few good peopleKeep the circle small.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I don't need to be friends with everybody, tight
and small, yeah, I don't need tobe friends with everybody.
I don't need to please and dofor everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
How do you decide now who gets access to you?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Well, I think they come and go.
You know, I think it's for me.
I get to know you again, like Ihave to get to know who you are
, you know well.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I think you've even learned some things about me
over time.
Like, I think, even thoughwe've been close and friends for
a long time and in the back ofyour mind you were probably
still like, hmm, and then we'resitting somewhere and someone
tells you something.
You're like holy, you knowexactly the conversation that
I'm thinking of.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I was blown away because, you have people's back.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But you're still like could that really be true?
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
You think you hear someone and you're like, well,
holy shit, that was true you'relike oh, if, if they only could
hear what I just heard, or ifthey only knew what you know.
Then it's like oh, because youdo.
You always think like well, youknow, there's their side, yep.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And then somewhere in the middle is the truth.
And then you hear like a thirdparty that has a lot of
credibility and clout andability to just say to not have
any interest in the conversation, to tell you something that
validates You're like holy cow.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Well, you know, and to even like a good friend of
mine, which you know, who was arealtor, was like, oh, oh, you
know, I don't know, kevin, youknow my, my attorney friend said
this and my attorney friendsaid that.
And then, all of a sudden, youknow, a month or two ago, I was
like, oh, my attorney friendwants to sit down, oh, yeah,
yeah and meet with colleen andthe t.
(33:07):
I'm like, wait, isn't this thesame person?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
that was talking no way.
Who said no?
Yeah, yeah, the gossip in thisindustry is rampant and it's so
ironic that our code of ethicsspecifically prohibits it.
Nobody knows that Code ofethics says you shall not speak
disparagingly about anotherrealtor.
I mean, the gossip in thisindustry is so it's disgusting.
It's disgusting, it isdisgusting.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
How's your definition of team or partner changed?
I could tell you mine, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I think what we have built here has been is working
pretty well, and I think, too,it's because you learn from your
mistakes what you're not goingto tolerate, what you are going
to tolerate, what you should do,how you should treat people and
what you will take.
You know what you'll tolerate.
I think we had a good group asfar as our team.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
And some good people with integrity and honesty a
good group as far as our teamand some good yeah, people with
integrity and honesty.
Sure, I agree.
I think to me, that means morethan anything like work.
Ethic is just as important, butintegrity and honesty is huge
too.
It's like those two go hand inhand and so production is like a
ancillary thing.
If you show up with integrityand you put in the work, the
production will show upeventually, when we are the
other I was just reading thatsomewhere was it my buddy who
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was saying that.
I think it was I saw somethingand I it like kind of
revalidated.
I you know I talk about alexhermosi and leila hermosi all
the time, but he had a thingwhere, like a little reel or
clip, where he said it doesn'tmatter how much production or
how good someone is at sales orwhatever, if they are an asshole
, and he used the word asshole.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
If they're an asshole , they got to go.
I said that.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yep, absolutely About our just the tampon Right?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yes See, we have nicknames.
Yeah, so I wrote down herechoosing aligned collaborators,
not just convenient ones.
I think that's basically whatwe said Choosing people who have
the same core values.
The same vision, the same ethics, the same standards, and not
just someone that like, oh, theyfit into this box.
So, turning the pain into power, the silver lining, I would say
(35:03):
, is these breakups forcedgrowth, a lot of them.
As much as it hurt to gothrough it, I think it forced me
into the next chapter that Iprobably wasn't ready to open or
close the door on my own.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I for sure think that For you.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Well, you too, I mean when you're comfortable, even
though things are not going likeyou got money coming in and
you're in a comfortable spot.
You're not going to movenecessarily on your own.
So having that force to moveallows you the opportunity to
get into that next spot.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
For sure, Hindsight is 20-20, but for me you do have
to grow from that.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
What would you tell someone listening right now
who's in the middle of a similarsituation?
Do it Go, burn it down.
I mean get out.
I mean it's almost like beingin a bad marriage or a bad
relationship no-transcript.
(36:05):
What did I do wrong?
Where's my dna on this?
And there was the gaslighting,all the things.
Some of these bad businessrelationships are absolutely
akin to a abusive, bad marriageor bad relationship.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And so the whole process that you go through
internally is very similar togrieving that loss of that
relationship, because it's eventriggering, like if I see an
email pop up with a certainperson's name on it, it
literally still makes me sick tomy stomach.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I'm like why is this person emailing me?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I'm like oh, it's a candy or a letter.
Remember that letter I left onyour desk?
Yes, me I'm like oh, it's acandy or a letter.
Remember that letter I left onyour desk?
Yes, I was like why is thisperson mailing me a letter?
And then I left the envelope onkim's desk and she's like what?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
it was so weird and even write the letter with
someone on their staff thatobviously wrote it, didn't know,
but but still it triggers you.
I, I was gonna say, even whenyou well, look at us literally.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Who's who's got that?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
yeah, who's got that?
I mean, it just is what it is.
It is triggering.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
But I think betrayal also becomes a catalyst for
deeper alignment, for sure, andI feel like where we are now and
who we're in business now andyou know, there might be still
some people we get out ofbusiness with or get into
business with, and you know, Ithink no man's the same man
twice when he steps in a river.
How does it go?
(37:18):
Let me start over a man isnever the same man when he steps
in a river because he he's notthe same man and it's not the
same river, meaning that, like,where you are in your life is
going to be different, becauseyou're always going to be
growing, but also the worldaround you is going to be
changing and the people arechanging.
The only constant is changeitself, like nothing else is
constant.
Yeah, change is alwayshappening and I think where we
are aligned now is reallypowerful and that might change
(37:39):
in the future.
But I'm gonna live in a reallyhappy place in the moment with
the people in our tight littlecircle for where we are now and
we're gonna have a lot of fun,we're gonna work really hard,
we're gonna make a lot of moneytogether.
Did you see them numbers?
oh, you see the numbers for juneI haven't seen all the June
numbers, just the under contracttotals.
But I haven't, we haven't added.
But I saw those May numbers andI was like holy crap, yeah,
(38:00):
Kicking butt.
I mean we're on pace to dothree times the business we did
last year.
Pretty impressive, but I meanlast year we really only had a
third of the year.
So it makes sense Like Well,and it's pretty, I think we're
going to do this year, the kindof numbers that we like, oogled
people on stage before.
We're like oh, if we could onlydo that right and we're like
well, we can do better.
(38:20):
But I think that's the thingthat hurt and betrayal is the
stepping stone for the nextopportunity that allows you to
grow and flourish into your trueself and your true person of
who you should be.
And I will say, one of the otherthings that kind of really got
us through is there were somemore people who really were
there that stood by me and notall at my company now and not
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all in business with me now likeI've got friends all over the
country that are really reallytrue awesome friends and we
laugh and joke and some of themare funny because of how they're
related in terms of otherpeople that work with other
people and things like that.
I can't disclose because Idon't want to get anybody in
trouble.
But you know, we make, we makejokes, like our birthday trip
last year, right, bart?
(39:02):
Oh, he's not saying anythingbecause I told him he couldn't
talk.
He's all busy with me now.
What do you know now?
For sure that you didn't knowbefore.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I definitely wouldn't get into the same business that
I did with the same people atthe same place, and I think for
me it's just.
I just wouldn't make the samemistake.
And not that they're mistakes,I shouldn't even say they were
mistakes, I think some of themare mistakes.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I mean some of them.
Here's what I'm going to sayTrust my gut more.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Because there were plenty of times where I was like
, oh you know, red flag, Likeyou have a the crap out of a
homeless bum on conventionbefore they joined the company
and we still got into businesswith them, and then they're the
ones that are trying to talkcrap about me and conspire
against me.
Yes, we know who you are.
Yeah, I remember that.
So I ignored the red flagsbecause I wanted to create
something so bad that I allowedmyself to be blinded by those
(39:50):
things.
Like I'm like oh no, it wasjust, it was a fluke.
It was no, it.
It's not a fluke when someonegets so smashed drunk that they
beat the hell out of someone onthe streets in another town, at
a convention, at a companythey're not even at yet you
should not get into businesswith that person.
That was after we were alreadyin business with them.
But yeah, there was, yeah,where he got into another fight
and beat the crap and my poorteam leader calls me crying
(40:11):
because one of her investors wasin a huge bar fight and was
beating the hell out of someoneand the police were coming and
they had to get in the bus andyou know, the stories that I
know about people that I haven'ttold, about people they should
be worried about.
Yeah, yeah that's ouch yeah.
I mean, there's a lot I've hadpeople that were so drunk that
I've had to dress them to getthem back on the bus and on the
plane.
(40:32):
I was just thinking about in myhead.
And then they go and turn aroundand call me every name in the
book, including like badass, andI think the exact terms were
elephant with an elephant emoji.
But see, I think the otherlesson is you have to have thick
skin and know that people, whenthey're in a desperate mode or
they're in a desperate situation, they're just throwing mud at
(40:53):
you because they don't know yeahwhatever right.
You forgot what I had to dressyou, though, right, I mean, it
wasn't, the person wasn't naked,but they had their swim trunks
on and I had it.
Like what, what is that about?
About the elephant?
Oh, she's so ugly face.
Something I forgot.
I was so ugly, not?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
you know the other person yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
But I mean he was still willing to talk about
someone else that way.
So, like, how do you?
That's a red flag.
I would think my number onepiece of advice for someone
currently navigating the samestorm is know that you're going
to be okay, you can survive, getout and get through it as fast
as you can, but know thatthere's light on the end of the
tunnel.
Yeah, trust your gut.
Don't ignore the red flags.
(41:34):
All of the above, those are allgreat ones, but you know what.
You're still going to makemistakes.
Don't beat yourself up over it.
Give yourself grace.
Like you're going to get intobusiness with someone.
You're like oh why did I dothat?
Like, just get out of it.
Get out of the situation anddon't avoid the conversation.
Hit the conversation head onand have it faster, because you
can always make more money yeah,and that's what I found out too
(41:55):
.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Even if you burn it to the ground, yeah, you're
still look at us.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Like you can sell multi-million dollar businesses
that all we had to burn to theground I mean somebody else lit
the torch.
We just kept letting it burnbecause what choice?
Was there at that point,friendships, I mean.
I've even had where we've hadpeople that were completely we
just don't talk to or whatever.
But we've even had, like familymembers that we've had to
navigate through, and that washard, that's hard, that was
(42:21):
really hard.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Well, you and me both , yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
That's hard.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
That's why I'm saying it's difficult.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Sometimes people who clap the loudest for you are the
ones that are waiting to takeyour place.
I would say that 100% you Iprobably had a target on my back
bigger than an elephant's ass.
I used to say it all the time.
That's going to be a quote onthe Instagram Target bigger than
an elephant's ass, I meanreally.
I mean I, but I mean Noteveryone who sits at your table
(42:47):
is praying for your feast.
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
It is Because that's true.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
And you know what you've seen.
This quote, not a backstabbing,motherfuckers, huh.
Yeah, I mean there are therereally are.
I mean really if you thinkabout it, but I think there's
how many billion people on thisplanet?
And you're going to have tonavigate through the shitty ones
to find the good, good ones.
The one thing that I will sayfrom the experience is I really
have developed some really greatfriendships all over the world.
(43:13):
Like I've got friends incountries, I've got friends in
other states that are truly likemy soul sisters Right.
Like like my friend Julie.
She's amazing.
Like I love her to death, likeanything I need I can call her
up, she can call me up Like it's, it's there, it's out.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
So there, I mean there a lot of good has come out
of some situations.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yeah, I mean friendships and friendship
breakups and business are realand they can destroy everything
if you let them.
You got to be the strong enoughone to in the butt when you can
.
And I will also say betrayaldoesn't break you.
It teaches you who you reallyare, that's true, like it
teaches you what you've got andhow you can pull from every
ounce that you have inside.
And yeah, kind of stand up,that is true we lost businesses,
(43:52):
businesses, we lost money, welost people, but we never lost
ourselves.
Amen.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Woo-hoo sister Amen.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
So I have a wrap-up message.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
That was a good one.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, it was good, we've been betrayed.
Yeah, we've cried, yeah, we'vecursed.
Yeah, we've closed companies.
Mm-hmm, and yet smarter andmore soul aligned than ever
before.
Yeah, if you've been through itor you're in it now we see you.
You're not alone.
Keep going.
Go do some epic shit, listen,subscribe, tune in Apple, amazon
(44:25):
, spotify, youtube.
We're there, peace out.
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