June 25, 2025 • 65 mins
Two bullet wounds, fourteen years apart, one man connecting both deaths. This double murder investigation reveals the terrifying progression of domestic violence when abusers face rejection.
Behind Bart Corbin's veneer of success as a Georgia cosmetic dentist lay a dangerous pattern of control and violence. When his wife Jennifer was found dead in December 2004 from what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound, detectives quickly spotted inconsistencies. The gun's position defied gravity, no residue appeared on Jennifer's hands, and the trajectory of the bullet made suicide virtually impossible. What they didn't immediately realize was how history was repeating itself.
This case stands as a sobering reminder of how domestic abuse escalates when unchecked. The justice that came too late for both women offers crucial insights for recognizing warning signs before they turn deadly. If you or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence, contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-7233 for immediate support and resources.
Resources:
The primary source for today’s episode is the book by Ann Rule entitled “Too Late to Say Goodbye.”
Diphenhydramine: It is time to say a final goodbye - PMC
Georgia State Law. (2006). Criminal procedure and plea deal statutes relevant to life sentence bargaining. Georgia Legal Code § 17‑10‑1.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Amanda, jenna, hello Yoo-hoo.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yoo-hoo, how the heck are ya Um doing real fine, how
are you?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Good, but um, we're in Minnesota, so we have the
obligatory weather comments.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We made it one episode without talking about
the weather.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We did, but then we talked about it at the end
Barely oh we didn't talk aboutthe weather we did, but then we
talked about it at the end.
Oh, we didn't talk about theweather, guess?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
what guess, what guess, what it's doing?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
yeah, oh my gosh, is it hot.
It feels like singapore outthere.
It's like 102 muggy as heck,but without the mosquitoes, and
I am loving every minute of it.
You, you not so much, maybe.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know it's a little warm, but the AC feels
nice.
We went to the pool this lastweekend, so that was a good way
to spend the hot weather.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
This is the first year that I've been without a
pool.
We usually have those aboveground, you know, like 15
footers in the backyard, so youcan at least do a little dive
without getting a concussion andfloat around.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Which is nice.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
But then, yeah, it is and they're hellishly expensive
to replace every year.
But I figured it was was worthit.
But then I figured out the lastcouple years I'm the only one
that actually uses it.
So I decided not to get onethis year and I really regret it
because you know what?
I don't care if I'm the onlyone that uses it.
I need me some.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
What I didn't know that those get replaced every
year.
I thought, if you bought it,you have it.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I mean, it's such a pain in the butt to take it down
and you know, because there'slike these plastic bits that
hold the um poles together andstuff that break down and I
don't know, and you may have towash off this massive yeah,
tarpy thing, and then you gottafind somewhere to put it, yeah.
So, annie hoozle, I got myself alittle pathetic, uh, and I will
(02:08):
say I've used it, but it's,it's very pathetic.
Um, floaty thing it's.
It looks like a raft but youfill it with water and then you
can lay in like four inches.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Oh, no, I've seen those.
They look nice little cupholders on the side.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's no pool, it has cup holders.
On the side it's no pool, ithas cup holders.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Because I have targeted ads for those all the
time, Just the cup holders.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
She's like I'll buy anything if it has a cup holder.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You know you get thirsty sitting in the sun Got
to stay hydrated.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So yeah, I laid in my pathetic few inches of water um
yesterday and um I'll say it,I'm gonna do it again tonight.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So oh, there's that right.
I don't do activities that late.
I'm so happy for you.
Usually after we are donerecording, I go to bed you're an
old soul I know she's like it'smy bedtime.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Are we doing?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
this or what.
My niece came over for asleepover and she was like
auntie, how are we supposed togo to bed?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
it's still light out and I was like no, since we were
going to bed.
Thank goodness she doesn't livein alaska.
Yeah, well, I guess then.
Uh, since it's close to yourbedtime, we should probably get
into correction.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Oh, this is not really a correction per se, but
I wanted to mention this.
When I re-listened to thatepisode, I remembered that you
had shared some of your ownpersonal like this has happened
to you before and everything andI was going to comment on that
and then I didn't, and so then Ikind of felt like an asshole
(03:50):
after listening to it back,because I did not acknowledge
that you were like vulnerableand shared that, and so, yeah, I
mean, we all thought it.
I just wanted to say I'm sosorry that that.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I have no idea what you're talking about.
You're talking about, like the,the divorce thing or the like
the dangers of, yeah, livingwith, yeah, yeah, yeah it is
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So anyway, you guys, you know, when you try to do
something nice, then you just nogood deed.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
They say no, I didn't , I didn't take it that way.
I don't think anybody elsewould either.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well, that's just that's the kind of person I am,
you know yeah thank you forbringing that up.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Um, so, as we as you.
Another thing you brought upwas that, uh, I said the promo
code for cozy earth wassuspicious, and you said is it
that's suspicious, that it'sjust suspicious, it should be
stay suspicious.
And I said no, it's for suresuspicious.
And you said are you sure?
And I said no, and thank God Iat least said that because it's
(04:55):
stay suspicious.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I knew it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, you were right.
Also, my mother crapped on meabout OK so I don't know if you
guys got the pun with the titlefor these episodes 21 and 22
about this bad dentist fatalflaws get it.
Flaws floss.
And then my mother, who'sbritish, said that doesn't work
(05:22):
for the Brits Because they'd sayflules versus floss.
So to our British friends, weapologize that you didn't get
the pun, but it's supposed to bepunny.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I mean, I'm not British and I didn't get it
either.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
so oh Well, thanks.
Okay, all right, maybe Ishouldn't try so hard.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
What was the Seinfeld ?
Oh, anti-dentite.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, anti-dentite.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Oh, anti-dentite, I forgot.
I was going to try and see if Icould find a clip of him saying
that.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You're anti-dentite.
No, they were.
He was accused of beinganti-dentite and we're not.
In fact, one of our studentexterns this year's dad is a
dentist and she's probablyappalled that I keep covering
all these bad dentists.
So you know, I promise we'llmove on.
Amanda promised next week isnot going to be about a dentist
(06:19):
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That's U-S-P-I-C-I-O-U-S.
Thank you, you're welcome.
So, getting into this episode,the primary source is the book
(07:54):
by Ann Rule entitled Too Late toSay Goodbye and trigger warning
there's going to be mentions ofdomestic abuse.
All right, allie Katz, if youhaven't listened to part one,
episode 21,.
Please go back and listen tothat first.
But here's a brief recap.
Bart Corbin seemed to have itall A successful cosmetic
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dentist in Gwinnett County,georgia.
Tall, clean cut, the kind ofguy you'd trust with your smile.
He was married to JenniferCorbin, a preschool teacher and
mother of their two young sons.
They had a lovely house in thesuburbs, a gated community, no
less, soccer games, church onSundays.
But beneath the perfectlypolished surface, things were
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unravelling.
Jennifer had grown distant.
Friends said she seemeddepressed.
She'd confide in a few peoplethat she suspected that Bart was
having affairs and that he washiding more than just mistresses
.
In the last year of her lifeshe began messaging with someone
she met online.
Maybe it was comfort, perhapsit was her way of escaping.
(09:00):
Whatever it was, it sealed herfate.
On December 4, 2004,.
Jennifer Corbin was found deadin the couple's home.
Their seven-year-old son,dalton, discovered her in the
early hours of the morningslumped over on the bed with a
single gunshot wound to her head.
A .38 revolver lay beside her.
(09:22):
To the police, it looked likesuicide at first, but then came
the details that didn't add upFor one.
The autopsy confirmed an entrywound in the back of the head
with a trajectory inconsistentwith suicide.
A .38 caliber revolver wasdiscovered tucked beneath the
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comforter, not positioned as onewould expect in a
self-inflicted wound defyinggravity, indicating that it was
placed there intentionally.
Not to mention that the shothad severed her brainstem so she
would have instantly beenunable to move.
No gunshot residue was detectedon Jennifer's hands, which also
(10:03):
rules out that the gunshotwound was self-inflicted.
Investigators noted the lack offingerprints on the weapon and
the absence of any note ortypical behavioral indicators
used in suicide.
Key items like divorce filingswere found near the scene,
indicating domestic tension andmotive.
A wine glass on the nightstandinitially suggested possible
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impairment.
Still, toxicology laterconfirmed that there was no
alcohol in Jennifer's system,which was further proof that the
scene was staged.
And then there were the emails,her online relationship
conversations, where sheexpressed fear and a growing
certainty that she was beingwatched.
(10:47):
The case hovered in limbo untilsomething strange surfaced A
second woman, a second death,same method, same gun,
same man.
Let's talk about Dolly Hearn.
Dolly was born on July 6, 1962in Atlanta, georgia, and she was
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the oldest child of Dr Carltonand Barbara Hearn's three
children.
She was a warm, loving andnurturing person.
Her brother, carlton Jr, wasborn in 1965, and Gil was born
in 1972.
When Dolly was 10 years old,gill looked up to her like a
second mom.
The Hearns lived in a largewhite colonial house in
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Washington, georgia, which wasbuilt in 1854 and survived the
Civil War.
It sat on 20 acres, surroundedby massive oak and pecan.
Do you say pecan or pecan?
I say pecan, pecan, pecan.
I don't even know what I say.
That time I said pecan, whichis not.
I feel like I don't normallysay pecan.
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All right, pecan trees I don'tknow.
When it's a tree, I think weneed to say pecan.
I don't know pecan, pecan,pecan.
Trees that generations ofchildren love to play under
carlton senior, had his owndental practice in town and life
seemed ideal.
Dolly was the kind of personwho excelled at everything.
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She was an exceptional swimmer,an excellent baton twirler.
She won the Golden Eagle Awardfor school spirit in her high
school years.
She was even a high jumper andshot putter on her high school
track team.
Those metal balls are so heavyand she was a delicate, slender
girl so I have no idea how shewas able to put a shot anywhere.
(12:32):
I can hardly pick one up, letalone launch it.
Yeah, those thingsare heavy.
Dolly was a tap dancer andappeared in local theater
productions.
She played the piano.
She sang in choirs.
I mean, is there anything shecouldn't do?
She sounds to me like the kindof girl that you'd love to hate,
except she was so kind and downto earth that everyone loved
her.
Of course she was also thecaptain of the cheerleading
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squad at her high school.
Dolly was fun and cheeky.
She loved to pull pranks on herfriends.
Even her pranks were adorable,like putting a flock of plastic
pink flamingos on a friend'slawn or filling their car with
balloons on their birthday.
I mean, oh it's so cute.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
That's adorable.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I love that I love that so much.
I want to be pranked like that.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Note to listeners I'm like uh, check october balloons
okay oh, you know my birthdayone I know your whole birthday.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Come on, you do yes um, dolly also loved cats, same
all kinds of cats.
She was one of those peoplethat filled their living spaces
with cat motifs, cat picturespictures, cat pillows, cat
ceramics and, of course, realcats.
Later, dolly's friends woulddescribe her as looking like
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Snow White, because she had paleskin, big doe eyes and thick
black hair, and she was crazyabout red roses.
A lot of boys were interestedin asking her out, but she
wasn't anxious to fall in love.
She wanted to take her time andhave fun, and really she wanted
to marry her soulmate, justlike her parents had.
Dolly's mother taught her tocross-stitch, and one Father's
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Day she gave her dad across-stitch pillow that had
taken her hours to make.
He loved to fish, and so sheembroidered this poem with the
lines I pray that I may live tofish.
And so she embroidered thispoem with the lines I pray that
I may live to fish until mydying day.
And when it comes to my lastcast, I then most humbly pray,
when in the lord's great hangingnet and peacefully asleep, that
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in his mercy I be judged bigenough to keep.
Oh my gosh again adorable oh,dolly, I know.
She was so close to her dad soclose that she decided to follow
in his footsteps after highschool and she became a dental
assistant.
After earning her undergraduatedegree at several universities,
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she entered dental school in1991 in augusta.
She would be in the class ayear behind Bart Corbin's.
Given what we already talkedabout, it was no surprise that
she was extremely popular withher classmates.
She garnered a lot of attention, especially from the men in her
program.
Unfortunately, one of those menwas Bart Corbin.
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Bart met her in her first yearof school, which was his second
year, and fell instantly anddeeply in love.
Dolly played it cool.
She was attracted to him andshe noticed that he often acted
as a class clown and a hugeparty animal.
But some of her classmates gotbad vibes from him and weren't
so sure they would be a goodmatch.
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Bart had a dark, bad boy side,in stark contrast to Dolly's
bubbly positivity.
Bart had been known for hismoods and a short fuse even back
then, not to mention that hehad a weird aversion to
deodorant.
Come on, dude, why are youwalking around marinating in
your own bad decisions?
He was convinced that thealuminum would kill you and
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refused to wear any.
I mean they were in sweatyhumid Georgia.
He must have smelled likeregret and wet gym socks.
Like he was the human embodimentof a damp sponge left in a gym
bag.
Gross, Gross, Gross.
I mean, these poor students areout there trying to get their
education and he's out theretrying to invent a new species
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of bacteria in his armpits.
Okay, I'll stop.
You get the point.
A former classmate later toldAnne Rule the one thing I
remember about Bart is that heconsidered himself superior to
others.
He seemed devoid of empathy orany capability of significant
emotional attachment.
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Dolly found an apartment at 3077Parrish Road in Augusta.
It was one of several townhouserentals standard in the area.
She moved in and advertised fora housemate, and a younger
medical assistant student namedAngela Garntow moved in.
They quickly became fastfriends.
Angela would later talk aboutDolly's bright smile and how she
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would walk into a room andlight it up.
I mean, how often do you hearabout a victim described like
that?
Either it's hyperbole or a noteto self.
Don't light up a room if youdon't want to get murdered.
I'm serious people For real,but seriously.
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Professors, classmates, friendsand family all described her as
vibrant and that she lookedlike a movie star, who didn't
have to make the effort to looklike a movie star, if you know
what I mean, the dental academicprogram was rigorous.
Dolly would unwind by watchingdaytime soap operas.
She loved them.
She told friends and familythat she was addicted to them
and additionally, in her freetime she began dating Bart
Corbin.
Unfortunately, and additionally, in her free time, she began
dating Bart Corbin.
Unfortunately, he love-bombedthe heck out of her, of course,
but we all know that can't last.
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Sooner or later, the abuser'strue self will out.
It was almost a year into theirrelationship before Dolly took
Bart home to meet her sibs andher parents.
She was worried about how hisacerbic wit and sarcasm would
come across to her family, andhe didn't let her down.
After an awkward dinner,Dolly's father brought up
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dentistry.
After all, he was a dentist andBart was in dental school.
They should have lots in common, right.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Bart's reply.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I can hardly wait to graduate, so I can stick it to
the people.
What?
What does that even mean?
He was clearly in it for moneyand prestige, and dolly's dad,
dr hearn, found this nauseating.
Both he and his wife barbaradoubted that bart had what it
took to pursue a career in ahealing profession.
They were smart enough, though,to keep their opinions to
themselves.
Nothing makes somebody lookhotter than when your parents
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say you can't date them.
And Bart and Dolly'srelationship began to unravel
shortly afterwards, because fewthings highlight the problems in
a toxic relationship moreclearly than the stark contrast
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of a healthy, loving one.
Six months later, bart proposedto Dolly, and she declined yes,
get it, girl.
She didn't see theirrelationship going anywhere, and
she was super stressed atschool.
You see, somebody wassabotaging her.
One morning she went to her carand found that her tires were
slashed.
And another time someone puthairspray in her contact
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solution oh my god and the worstof all.
Her sweet fur baby cat, tabitha, had gone missing and she
suspected someone had taken her.
Tabitha was an indoor cat andwhen dolly and her roommate
angela came home from school oneday, they found the sliding
glass doors open and tabithanowhere to be seen tabitha would
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have came back.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
If that was, she just went to explore, she would have
came back right, no, exactly,they cats know.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
But bart came over and drove Dolly around town for
two hours looking for Tabitha.
But Dolly had a sinking feelingin her gut that Bart may have
been behind the disappearanceyeah, because Dolly's no dummy
right.
Bart and Dolly had an on-again,off-again relationship.
Dolly would feel smothered andcontrolled and they would break
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it off for a while, and thenBart would make all these empty
promises to give her more spaceand then get back together again
Until the fall of 1989, aftertwo and a half years of this
she'd had enough.
She broke it off for good.
Then Bart started stalking her.
He bombarded her friends withphone calls, begging them to
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tell him how to win Dolly back.
One friend told him you betternot have anything to do with
tabitha's disappearance or she'sgonna hate you forever.
Interestingly, he didn'tprotest his innocence or
anything like that.
He just said, yeah, I need tocall her and quickly hung up the
phone.
When dolly finally confrontedhim about tabitha, he burst into
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tears and finally admitted thathe was the one who took her and
just dumped her somewhere thehell.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, lose my number, thanks.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Guys, a surefire way of earning your spot on a
woman's shortlist is to messwith their pets Holy smokes, or
holy cats, as Amanda likes tosay yeah, holy cats.
So Brad takes Dolly to the spotwhere he dropped Tabitha off and
, mind you, this was over amonth ago and miraculously she
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appeared when Dolly called hername.
No no, she was tangled anddirty and she looked worse for
wear, but she started purringwhen Dolly picked her up.
And she was tangled and dirtyand she looked worse for wear,
but she started purring whendolly picked her up and she was
alive oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
And so?
So now bart gets to be mr herobecause he took her there.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
No fuck that still lose my number right, well, and
he's the one that put her thereto begin with yeah, exactly bart
seemed sorry for what he'd done, but his contrition didn't last
long.
By December, dolly had someonebreak into her mailbox and steal
her packages, and then someonepoured paint in her gas tank.
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Yeah, I mean what the you knowhow much that would muck up your
car.
Yeah, no kidding.
And then during the holidays,someone broke into the school
and stole almost $2,000 worth ofher dental tools and a set of
dentures that she'd been workingon.
What the heck?
At the time, it took severalmonths to complete a set of
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dentures, and a set of dentureswas a requirement for graduation
.
Dolly went to her advisor intears, but she couldn't prove
that they were stolen, so shehad to start all over again.
Bart strutted around the schooltrying to make allies and paint
Dolly as paranoid that she wasthe crazy one.
This gaslighting bell-end wascontinuing his abuse from afar.
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Dolly didn't care.
She reported Bart to the schooland brought him before the
honor board.
They launched an investigationinto Dolly's allegations.
Still, the only evidence thatshe had was circumstantial.
Meanwhile, Bart, the abuser,turned up the charm meter and
convinced everyone that he wasnot involved in any way.
Of course, he was furious thatDolly dared accuse him and try
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to protect herself, and so thisfed his inner ball of rage that
was surely growing.
With every rejection, everyaccusation, escalation was
inevitable.
Dolly felt his presenceeverywhere.
She tried to change schools,but her grades weren't good
enough for a transfer.
She had trouble sleeping, shelost weight, she struggled to
concentrate in class, and all ofthis because of this asshat's
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reign of terror.
She did go on a few dates withother men, but Bart followed her
on these dates and one nighteven banged on the door of the
guy's apartment where Dolly andher date were watching
television.
They called 911 to report him,but he left before the police
arrived.
Dolly was too terrified to gohome, so ironically she stayed,
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even though it wasn't for, youknow, nookie or whatever, she
stayed.
So for safety yeah yeah, shestayed because she was afraid to
go home.
Uh, and bark came back at 4 am.
Psycho, the stalking and theterrorizing continued.
Meanwhile the school droppedDolly's case against Bart.
I just hate that stalkingwasn't considered serious and I
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still think yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
It's not.
It's like she didn't have acell phone at the time it's 1989
, so it's not like she can snapa pic or like there's no ring
doorbell to catch him.
Yeah, but I'm like the schooldidn't even have cameras.
No, I know, but it's like.
But I guess probably not in theclassrooms, probably only at
the entrances.
If they did, and it's likewomen.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Just they were like well, there's nothing we can do
until they actually do something.
So women have to wait untilsomething happens to be taken
seriously, and then, by then thesomething that happens, it's
already too late.
I mean, that's, that's whatwe're hoping to avoid.
Yeah, I don't know if it's muchbetter now, um, but yeah, it
was bad, especially bad backthen.
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So dolly began to fear for herlife.
She obtained a gun and herbrother took her to a firing
range to teach her how to use it.
She kept the gun in a shoeboxunder her bed.
She was petrified.
This bubbly sunshine of a soulhad become fearful.
Her light and her volume dimmedand then one day angela came
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home from school and found dollycollapsed.
No, I know, no, um.
So now it's it's time for chartnotes.
I'm just giggling, becausethat's what I do when I'm
uncomfortable, but oh, what'shappening well, no, it's like
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dolly collapse on the couchanyway.
Chart notes and then we sing.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yes, and no, oh, I thought you were going to tell
us about something that'suncomfortable no, no, not at all
.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
We're going to talk about benadryl, but no shade to
doll right, so okay.
So for someone with a lifetimeof allergies, with an allergic
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child as well, um, benadryl hasbeen a lifesaver and it might be
going away, and so I thought,oh really I should.
Yeah, I should share thereasons why and help everyone
feel better about all of thiswait.
What will people use then we'regood, you know what.
I'm so glad you asked okay,because welcome to chart okay
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welcome to the chart segmentwhere we learn about what's
happening in medicine,specifically benadryl and health
care.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Thank you for keeping me up to date, because
apparently I've never heard ofthis Okay.
So Benadryl is.
I'm on summer break.
I've just been watching Grey'sAnatomy, so yeah, that's cool
girl, I'm here for you, I gotyou.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Okay, sorry, yeah.
So Benadryl is calleddiphenhydramine, is called
diphenhydramine, um, andobviously it was a leading n
histamine, but it's now largelyoutclassed by second generation
options like cetirizine, whichis um, zyrtec, loratadine, which
is claritin, and fexofenadine,which is uh allegra, and they
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offer equivalent allergy reliefbut with fewer side effects.
Okay, so there are some safetyconcerns, especially in
vulnerable groups, aboutdiphenhydramine or Benadryl.
Evidence points to the factthat there is a heightened risk
of adverse effects in childrenand older adults, including
sedation, cognitive impairment,anticholinergic effects like dry
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mouth and urinary retention,and potentially serious cardiac
issues like prolonged QT andarrhythmia, so in other words,
irregular heartbeats withBenadryl slash diphenhydramine.
So, despite its toxicityconcerns, diphenhydramine
remains widely available, foundin over 300 over-the-counter
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formulations.
Regulatory bodies in countrieslike Germany and Sweden have
already restricted itsaccessibility due to safety
issues.
So there are plenty of peoplethat are arguing that
diphenhydramines benefits nolonger outweigh the risks at a
population level and there aremany advocates for removing it
as a first-line therapy andrestricting its access over the
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counter, recommendingsecond-generation antihistamines
as safer alternatives.
So the article that I will post, the or in the show notes, not
the chart.
This is the chart.
I'm going to put it in the shownotes Argue that
diphenhydramines benefits nolonger outweigh the risks, as we
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said, and it's time to retireBenadryl.
Time for Benadryl to hang upits jersey.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I know, Obviously I don't have allergies.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
In its place, second generation antihistamines offer
safer, equally effective andmore tolerable solution, which
is especially crucial forchildren, older adults and those
at risk of side effects.
Um, yeah, no, we have benadrylin every uh emergency kit
available everybody's, you know,grandparents, houses, schools,
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whatever.
Because, um, it's the one thingthat's like okay, you bit up,
you bit a cookie that has a nutin it.
Okay, we're doing the shot andwe're doing the benadryl, then
we're doing the, but it's'redoing the Benadryl, then we're
doing the, but it's not sayingthat Benadryl is going to go
away forever.
Just maybe not, as not over thecounter.
So I think that's important toknow that.
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You know it's still going to besomething hopefully that'll be
around for when those secondgeneration antihistamines aren't
enough to do the job.
And I'm not a pharmaceutical uhrep, nor am I a pharmacist, so
but I do feel like in myexperience over the years, um,
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you know, we have kind of thishierarchy that like we start
with claritin, then we heightenit to xerotec and then um
hydroxyzine and then, oh god,this is this one, we need to
throw some Benadryl at this one,you know.
So for me it's kind of like apanicky situation, cause.
That's our ultimate emergencyuh medication.
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But you know maybe uh to hearthat there are too many uh side
effects to to that approach.
Um, um, you know that it mightactually generate some um
problems with heart rhythm andthings like that, yeah, that's
yeah you know what let's?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
let's let the experts decide um, we don't want to
mess with the heart guys yeah,yeah, so that's the.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
That's that.
Um, we're going to go back toour case.
So to recap, dolly was close tograduating.
She'd recently visited home tosee her family and had
cheerfully told her grandmothersoon you can call me Dr Dolly.
Oh my God, I don't know.
I know, but life at dentalschool was full of frightening
opportunities for attack, andBart Corbin continued his
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harassment and creepy behavior.
And then one night Dolly'sroommate, angela, came home from
school to find Dolly collapsedon the living room couch.
It was clear there was aninjury to her head and that she
was deceased.
Angela ran to a neighboringapartment and called the police.
The police arrived on the sceneto find Dolly sitting
cross-legged on the couch with agun in her lap.
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She had a single gunshot woundto her head, just above her
right ear, and despite Angela'sprotest to the contrary, the
police's initial reaction wasthat this was a suicide.
The first thing they did wasmove the gun from Dolly's lap to
a nearby stool.
I mean, hello, this was 1990.
We knew about disturbing acrime scene at that point, right
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.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Of course the police pointed to the fact that the gun
was registered to Dolly.
So suicide right, done anddusted.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Easy peasy Time to go home for meatloaf.
No.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Nope, just because it was her gun doesn't mean she
took her own life.
A search of the apartmentrevealed that Dolly had been
packing for a trip.
Turns out she was planning togo to the beach that weekend and
in the kitchen they foundingredients set out for making
her spaghetti sauce.
See, dolly planned to go homefor the weekend and promised her
brother she would bring herspeciality, her homemade
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spaghetti sauce.
So do these things spellsomeone who's given up on life?
No, you read my mind, and therewas a message on dolly's
answering machine from bartcorbin.
He said he was sorry but hecouldn't make it to the party
they were supposed to go to thatnight.
Maybe they could connect thefollowing day.
What?
Angela was confused.
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She'd not heard about any plansfor a party, or that dolly was
even on speaking terms with bart.
For that matter, this was asfishy as a sardine in a trench
coat.
Thank you for laughing at mybad dad jokes you're welcome my
little bad dad similes.
Um, when investigators talked toDolly's friends and family, the
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message was pretty muchunanimous Dolly would never kill
herself.
Bart was close to a couple ofdentists named Tony and Vicky
who had been concerned aboutBart for a long while before
Dolly's death.
They knew he was distraughtover their breakup.
So one Sunday, Don't besuspicious.
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Oh, that could be our theme song.
We need a theme song.
I like it.
One Sunday, not long beforeDolly died, he met them for
brunch.
He said he'd been to churchsuddenly and the urged had the
urge to go for some reason.
And then, in an ominous voice,he told them you know, I have
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guns at home.
Okay, Psycho.
Tony and Vicki were terrifiedthat Bart would hurt himself.
They convinced him to give themhis guns until Bart was in a
better state of mental health.
But then, right after Dollydied, later that same evening he
showed up at Tony and Vicki'splace and asked for his guns
back.
Supposedly, Bart didn't evenyet know that Dolly was dead.
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While he was at Tony andVicki's place, the phone rang.
It was a mutual friend callingwith the awful news.
Poor Tony had no idea how hewas going to tell Bart.
He made up some reason why theyshould all go over to their
friend Eric's house.
Tony felt like Eric was thebest person to handle Bart if he
went off the rails at the newsof Dolly's death.
They convinced Bart to leavethe guns behind and when they
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dropped the bombshell on him heinitially seemed to be stricken
with grief.
But after a few minutes,however, he was miraculously
able to calm down.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
How about that?
Huh, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Regardless of their belief that it was a suicide.
Police did question part.
He seemed nervous at first butquickly pulled himself together.
The police thought this wasweird, considering she was
supposedly the love of his lifeand she was dead.
Bart had a flat affect.
He said he'd seen dolly for thelast time around two in the
afternoon two days before herdeath.
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He told detective john Graythat he'd stopped by to check on
her because she was sick.
He said it was a pleasant visit, just a bit of chit chat, oh
sure, no arguments or anythinglike that.
And he said they were planningto go to a party together the
night of her death.
Oddly he couldn't quiteremember the name of the person
throwing the party, but he madesure to stress to the detective
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he'd left a voice message aboutit on dolly's answering machine
between 2 and 2 30 in theafternoon that day.
Good way to cover your tracks,dude.
No one will ever suspect.
Yeah, did you?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
guys find my alibi god.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Then he provided.
He provided an excruciatinglydetailed micro account of
everything he did that day.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Suspish as heck isn't that what they always do?
Have a very detailed account ofevery single place they were to
that day?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
the detective noticed that some of his times
overlapped and that there was a45 minute stretch in the early
afternoon where he doubted bartcould have done all the things
that he said he did.
And when detective gray askedhim about his relationship with
dolly he said it had beenserious for a while.
They talked about gettingmarried, but bart said he broke
it off in the end.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
You know, of course yeah, he broke it off.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
He couldn't possibly have a woman leave him he said
I'm graduating, I can't stayaround just for a girlfriend.
And I told her that.
And just as he had with theirclassmates at dental school,
bart described dolly's reaction.
It depended on the day.
Sometimes it upset her,sometimes not.
He painted her as unpredictable, volatile and moody.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, bart, in your account.
That will be the only one, I'msure.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
When detectives asked him how Dolly's mood had been
the previous couple of weeks, hevirtually rubbed his hands
together.
He was enjoying himself so much.
He said that Dolly wasdepressed about her grades and
her future career prospects.
He said that she said that whatshe was going to try to
accomplish was probably justunrealistic dreams.
Here's the thing Dolly's gradeswere fine no thanks to your
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sabotage, bart.
And during this whole firstinterview interview, bart
insisted he hadn't seen Dolly onthe day she died, didn't go
anywhere near her place andhadn't seen her in two days, and
after a few hours ofconversation they let Bart go.
They called him back the nextday, though, and lo and behold,
his story had changed.
Oh shocking right.
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I'm sure that you can't believeyour heroes at this time.
He said he'd gone to see dollyat one in the afternoon on the
day she died.
They sat on the couch togetherand watched tv, according to him
.
He said that somebody droppedby dolly's place while he was
there, but he was in thebathroom when the woman showed
up and she was already leavingby the time.
He came out and he said Italked to one of her neighbors
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that day too.
I knocked on his door to askhim if he'd be willing to
volunteer to let me take somex-rays of him for class.
He must have figured out thetwo witnesses were placing him
at the scene of the crime andbackpedaled.
Not a great technique if you'retrying to get away with murder.
When he was challenged byinvestigators as to why his
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story changed, he said he liedbecause dolly's father had quote
thought that bart had donecertain things to dolly earlier
that year and threatened to killhim without any direct evidence
to hold on to.
Investigators had to let bartgo and the next day, instead of
a perp walk, a grinning bartcorbin walked through his
graduation from dental school.
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Doosh, shocking, I just want topunch him in the throat.
So Dolly's autopsy revealed thatDolly had died from a gunshot
wound to the head.
There was blackened skin at theentry point, meaning it was a
contact wound.
The gun was held right upagainst the skin.
This is pretty common insuicides, but the medical
examiner felt a little uneasyabout making that call.
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There was something about thecase that bothered her.
She called the manner of deathundetermined.
Unfortunately, you can't takesomeone to trial on suspicion
alone.
The police determined that shemost likely had taken her own
life and they moved on.
After Dolly's death, mark, nowI'm going to call him Mark.
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Mark moved.
Mark moved 150 miles away fromAugusta to Gwinnett County and
got to go on with his life.
He started his dental career,had relationships with women,
including the ones that heultimately would cheat on Jen
with.
We discussed those women inPart one, alleycats.
Remember the married one whoended up coming to Bart and
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Jen's wedding?
Remember she was old enough tobe his mom?
Yeah, douchebag, her name wasHarriet Gray.
In September of 1996, theweekend after Bart and Jen got
married, 56-year-old HarrietGray went missing.
No, yeah, police later said thedisappearance had the look of
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an abduction.
She was missing for a year andthen, in December of 1997, her
car was found at the bottom ofLake Tuscaloosa in Alabama.
What Her hands had been?
Duct duct taped to the steeringwheel.
And her murder is unsolved tothis day.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Okay, guys, I can solve it.
It was Bart.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I mean honestly, yeah , Tell me it's not him, because
holy cats it was either Bart orher husband, because he was like
F you cheating woman.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Oh, that's true, yeah , it could have.
Or her husband, because he waslike F you cheating woman.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Oh, that's true.
Yeah, it could have been herhusband, but Bart was in Alabama
for various reasons.
Okay, we're going to hear about.
So when Dolly Hearn's parentsreached out to Detective Marcus
Head, who was in the early daysof investigating jen corma's
murder, he felt like he'dstepped into a movie plot.
Now he had two women connectedwith bart, both dead from a
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gunshot wound to the head, andboth deaths had happened right
as the women were poised to endtheir relationships with bart.
So detective head reached outto the richmond county sheriff's
department for info on dolly'sdeath and on the other end of
the line was a sergeant, scottpeoples.
Hmm, interesting, cute name.
Interestingly, scott was theson of ron peoples, one of the
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original investigators ondolly's case.
Ron was retired but as soon ashe heard from detective head,
scott called him asking what heremembered from the dolly hearn
case and without hesitation, ronsaid I always thought Bart
Corbin killed her.
Crime scene processing wassignificantly less advanced in
the 90s than it was in 2004.
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The original detectives hadn'thad much to work with.
I mean, they had a total of 20crime scene photos, whereas
these days you get hundreds ofphotos Additionally.
By 2004, blood spatter analysishad become second nature to
many crime scene technicians.
The first thing Scott Peeblesdid was send photos of the
bloodstains to an expert forreview, and in the meantime he
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set about interviewing Dolly'sfamily and friends, all of whom
were over the moon about thefact that the case was getting
new attention.
Bart was a jealous asshole, theytold detective peoples.
Dolly had been afraid of bartwhile the harassment was going
on.
She was desperately trying toget someone in authority to
believe her.
She went to the police, butstalking laws were non-existent
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in the 90s.
Back then, unless you haddirect video evidence of someone
committing the crime, you wereout of luck.
I'm not sure it's much betternowadays and, as we discussed,
the dental school was no help.
It's so infuriating.
The only people who took herseriously and saw the danger she
was in were the people thatloved her, and they were the
ones that were powerless toprotect her.
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Can you imagine how they musthave felt?
No horrible, yeah.
Imagine how they must have felt.
No horrible, yeah.
As people sent his team reviewthe old case files, they came
across a witness report thatencouraged them.
The neighborhood knocked on thedoor and found a shirtless man
glaring at her from dolly'sbathroom on the day of her
murder.
I'm not laughing about themurder, I'm just laughing about
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the man in the bathroom I knowit reminded me of um my trailer
park guy yeah, trailer park,yeah, yeah, no, take it off by
the way, um, I just saw yourphoto on social media about um,
of the inside of that trailer.
Yeah, oh my god, from theYouTube doctor episode, uh,
(44:22):
listeners, uh, I thought youwere going to say wow, not uh,
patrick Dempsey.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Definitely not Patrick.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Dempsey Yikes.
Anything further from that?
Uh yeah, Anyway.
So this witness that saw theman in the bathroom described
bart corbin to a t and pickedhis photo out of a lineup.
The expert crime scene analystalso provided promising findings
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.
He said dolly hadn't been shotin the same position they found
her in.
The blood stains in the spatterdidn't fit.
Somebody had to have moved her.
She couldn't have moved herselfat that point.
Not only that, but the gunseemed to have been wiped clean
and there was no blood spatteron it or on Dolly's hands.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yeah, the gun was laid neatly in her lap as though
it was placed by someone else.
The scene was glaringly staged.
It was enough to get the mannerof death changed from
undetermined to homicide and awarrant was issued for Bart
Corbin's arrest.
Meanwhile the Gwinnett Countyinvestigators were digging into
Jen's case.
They knew by now that Bart hadthe motives and the means to
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kill Jen, but they needed tofigure out if he had the
opportunity.
One of Bart and Jen's neighborshad said that on the night that
Jen died he heard a distinctiverumble of Bart's truck in the
Corbin's driveway.
The court subpoenaed hisfriends to testify and began to
piece together the events.
So Bart and some friends gottogether for dinner and drinks
at a Wings place.
Bart had too many drinks andwent over to one of his friends'
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house to hang out some more,and Bart's friend begged him to
stay over rather than drive home.
But Bart said no, he's going togo to his brother, bobby's
house.
At 1 am the friend said Bartleft to drive over to Bobby's.
Bobby told the police that Bartarrived at 3.30 am, so that
would have been two and a halfhours later.
Of course Bart made a stop onthe way to Bobby's.
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That would fit with the timethat the neighbor said he heard
Bart's truck.
And then investigators pulledBart's cell phone records and
found that his phone had pingedoff a tower near the Corbin
house at the time that Jen wasmurdered.
This was enough to issue awarrant for his arrest, for
Jen's murder as well, butprosecutors truly wanted to make
sure that he was nailed to thewall.
Without a doubt they needed themurder weapon.
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Investigators knew from cellphone records that Bart had made
a trip to Alabama in the weekspreceding the murder.
Further investigation revealedthat a family friend of the
Corbin's, a man named RichardWilson, lived there.
A check of the serial number ofthe gun that had killed Jen
revealed that years before themurder Richard Wilson had
contacted a sheriff's deputy tofind out if the gun he wanted to
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purchase was legitimate.
He wanted to make sure ithadn't been stolen, and once he
got the all clear he bought thegun the same serial number as
the gun that killed Jen.
So the murder weapon belongedto Bart's buddy, richard.
Richard did not want tocooperate with the investigators
.
They had to reach out time andtime again.
Once they figured out that hisgun was the murder weapon, he
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finally agreed to cooperate.
Bart had called him aroundThanksgiving, asked if he owned
any firearms and said he wantedto get one for cash.
Richard said sure, oh no, hetraded the gun.
Yeah, I don't know why I saidthis.
He said he wanted to get onefor cash.
Richard said sure, but then heended up trading the gun for a
lawnmower.
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Oh my God, that's so ridiculous.
So now the prosecution hadliterally the smoking gun.
The courts were already on thesecond day of jury selection
when the news came down.
One of the investigators had amoment of law and order.
He burst into the courtroom,went up and whispered to one of
the prosecutors and it just madeeverybody stay.
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The next day, bart took a pleadeal to avoid the death penalty.
He pleaded guilty to Jen andDolly's murders and was
sentenced to two concurrent lifesentences.
Poor Max Barber.
Jen's dad gave an impactstatement.
God might forgive you, he toldhis former son-in-law, but I
never will.
And when the judge asked if hewanted to say anything before
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sentencing, bart just said no,sir, I don't.
Staring down at his shoes.
Later that year, the MedicalCollege of Georgia awarded Dolly
Hearn a posthumous degree.
Although she'd never had thechance to graduate with her
dental license, she would nowforever be known as Dr Dolly
Hearn.
I'll forever be known as DrDolly Harn.
Aww, and that's a wrap.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Oh my Okay.
Wow, it was like I think hekilled that other woman too.
I do too.
I do too.
I mean, what's a third lifesentence at that point?
But justice for her Right andsome relief for the family to
know what might have happened.
Obviously, she didn't killherself.
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Her hands were duct taped.
I know that's so horrific.
You don't duct tape your ownhands and then drive your car
into the water.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Can you imagine?
No, I don't want to imagine.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
And she had kids too.
I love that the school awardedDoy a posthumous degree me too.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
She earned it, man.
He sabotaged her like she hadto work like 10 times as hard as
everybody else because she'strying to get around this ass.
That was uh sabotaging her,literally her work.
Can you imagine working onsomething for three or four
months and then someone stealsit?
Speaker 2 (49:46):
No, Plus your tools to be able to do it, and imagine
how expensive those tools are.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, and it's not just infuriating, it's scary,
like how scared she must havebeen.
It just it's a very, very sadstory.
How long ago was this so?
The first murder was in the1990s and the second one was
2004 I think.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Okay, so he's only served 20-ish years.
Yeah, how, how old is thisdouchebag these days?
Um, I think I'm sure he'll dieof a heart attack or something
in jail.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Yeah, I think he's in his sixties.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I um, yeah, I can do a little search, a little
cursory search on him and thenwe can bring up any like if he
gets, uh is if he's up forparole or anything, and people
want to show up to thecourthouse and protest.
Yeah, For real, I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
It just seemed like it was just straightforward.
He admitted that he killed themboth and it wasn't this big
long drawn out like you can'tprove it yeah, that the families
had to go through.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, even more.
I mean he had to wait untilthey found the murder weapon.
But yeah, yeah, he saw thewriting on the wall eventually.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, yeah, exactly freaking richard making things
difficult.
But dang, richard really,really needed that lawnmower
more.
That's so funny, what a weirdo.
I'll take cash and then hebrings along more.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
I don't know.
That's just how the book talkedabout it, so I don't know
Interesting.
So shall we cheer everyone upwith a medical mishap?
Speaker 2 (51:30):
We shall.
It looks like we have an emailtitled sock for my doc.
Oh, excuse me, do tell.
It says hey, allie cats, afriend of mine turned me onto
your pod a few months ago andI've been listening every
Wednesday ever since.
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I love you guys.
Oh, thank you.
We love you too.
We love you too.
Okay, so I'm not what you wouldcall brave when it comes to
medical stuff.
I'm more of a go limp and letthe professionals wheel me
around kind of person.
Anyway, I had to get acolonoscopy.
My doctor told me routine,quick.
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You'll barely know whathappened Lies Not about the
procedure itself that part wasreally a blur but about me
barely knowing.
Oh, no, oh, I knew, I knewthings had gone off the rails.
When I woke up in recovery andmy nurse was laughing so hard
she had tears running down herface, apparently while still
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under the influence ofanesthesia.
I had come to, looked my veryprofessional, very stoic
gastroenterologist in the eyeand said, hey, we should open a
taco truck together as you do,as you do folks.
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Not.
How'd it go, doc, not where amI Nope Straight to the food
truck entrepreneurship and then,according to the staff, who all
came by later to confirm Ifollowed it up with you'll
handle the tacos, I'll do themarketing and we'll raise three
golden retrievers together in avan with fairy lights.
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I mean, it sounds like a placeI want to be Tacos and
retrievers Right.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
How could he say no, it's irresistible.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Then, to seal the deal, I attempted to give him my
hospital-issued non-slip sockas a business down payment.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Oh my, god, at least it was her sock and not her
something else.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yeah, true, true.
I don't remember any of this,obviously, but what I do
remember is waking up to myhusband saying did you propose
to your doctor?
And then the GI doc, bless hispatient soul, walked in and said
totally deadpan, we're namingthe dogs Bean, salsa and Larry.
And to this day, every time Icome in for a follow up he winks
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and says still saving up forthe truck for real anesthesia.
And wow, I said that, so fancyanesthesia and I are no longer
on speaking terms.
Thanks for reading this.
If you do stay safe and staysuspicious of yourself.
Hopped up on anesthesia, lovecourtney, oh my god, that's so
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funny.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Bean salsa and larry, I love that come on, courtney,
you've got to get those dogs,you've got to ditch your husband
and marry the GI.
Doc what it was meant to be.
I'm just kidding.
Oh, that reminds me.
So my daughter had a date tomeet somebody at a swimming pool
(54:55):
in a small town.
It was like out in the middleof nowhere.
You know where Gaylord is, uhyeah.
I do, yeah, okay, well, that'ssad.
Oh, that's because you have togo there probably did.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
You know that we cover schools there.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
Yeah oh, my god, so we're we're.
So, gaylord, I was picturing alittle differently, like you
know, like maybe a little bitwhimsical of a town.
No, no, no, no, it's just.
You go in and there are thesemajor like silos and big like
semi truck weighing stations.
You know, it's definitely afarming community, um, and we
(55:37):
get close to the pool, which Iknow because it's like the water
tower, which is like the mainattraction in the town, and
she's meeting her friends atthis, the water park, at this
they call water park, there'sone water slide anyway.
Um, dropping her off, and Ilook across the road and there's
a little food truck and I'mlike, oh cute, what's in this
(56:00):
food truck?
Maybe I might partake, and thename of the food truck, like the
restaurant running the foodtruck, was called Mexican food.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Oh, real original.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
And then I look across the street and there's a
Blimpies, which apparently is asub shop and I just thought that
was such a cute name.
I know it's a chain, anyway.
So later on my daughter wastaking her sweet time getting
home and I said have you hadanything to eat?
She goes yeah, we ate.
I said, ooh, because I knewthere were two choices in town
it was Mexican food or Blimpies.
(56:34):
I said did you eat at blimpies?
She said no, the food truck.
And I said what did?
Well, what did you have?
She goes Mexican food.
Duh, I was like that's all Ineed to know, all right.
Speaker 2 (56:48):
Got it.
So did you know my husband'sfrom that town?
No, See oh man you can tell meall about blimpie?
Speaker 1 (56:56):
I did not know.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Yeah, none of them are there anymore, but anyway,
yeah, that's where he got.
That's why I was like, oh yeah,I've heard of it.
I wanted to see what you said.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
Well, okay, that's all I know is my, you know, 10
minute experience, because I wasin a bad mood having to drive
my daughter an hour to a poolwhen we have one in our own town
.
Speaker 2 (57:16):
Oh, there is a pool there in your town, in Belle
Pointe.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah, there's a little water park yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah, it doesn't have the one slide apparently.
Well, we have a slide.
Did you know there's a waterpark in my town?
No, really yes, but ours hasactually more slides and things.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Okay, well, maybe we need to take a little truck out
to your town.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
Maybe so Right, okay, all right Put it on the list.
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We should, anyway, as you're yawning and stretching.
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Starting to stretch it out.
Well, you're in a morecomfortable position than me.
I'm sitting Indian style and mymy hips are like bitch, can you
not?
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Okay, does that mean I'm doing the promo?
I was trying.
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Get a cup.
I love coffee so much.
Oh wait, and like right now, myhusband goes to work in the
morning and I don't, but like hemakes coffee and I just lay in
bed and I just smell it.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
And you go.
Haha, I don't have to have it,but I will.
And then I go okay, secondsleep, goodbye.
Oh man, I love that feelingwhen you roll over and your eyes
pop open and you go I need tobe somewhere.
And then you go, no, I don't.
And then you can close youreyes again.
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Man, that's one of the best feelings in the world.
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
It's making me so tired thinking about it.
Well before you crash, girlwhat?
Are we going to hear about nextweek.
Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Next week we're going to hear about another doozy
McGee who claims they were anaturopath doctor, but kind of
similar to the other douchebagwho learned how to do things on
YouTube.
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Oh no.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
This person may or may not have just bought all
their fancy papers online, sowe'll talk about that Great
Maybe I already gave too muchaway.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Now we look forward to hearing more about the
quackery involved in thatsituation.
Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
So we're going over to Colorado and it's not
dentistry, okay.
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Okay, goodbye, bye, goodbye.
Amanda, jenna, hello Yoo-hoo.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yoo-hoo, how the heck are ya Um doing real fine, how
are you?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Good, but um, we're in Minnesota, so we have the
obligatory weather comments.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We made it one episode without talking about
the weather.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We did, but then we talked about it at the end
Barely oh we didn't talk aboutthe weather we did, but then we
talked about it at the end.
Oh, we didn't talk about theweather, guess?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
what guess, what guess, what it's doing?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
yeah, oh my gosh, is it hot.
It feels like singapore outthere.
It's like 102 muggy as heck,but without the mosquitoes, and
I am loving every minute of it.
You, you not so much, maybe.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know it's a little warm, but the AC feels
nice.
We went to the pool this lastweekend, so that was a good way
to spend the hot weather.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
This is the first year that I've been without a
pool.
We usually have those aboveground, you know, like 15
footers in the backyard, so youcan at least do a little dive
without getting a concussion andfloat around.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Which is nice.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
But then, yeah, it is and they're hellishly expensive
to replace every year.
But I figured it was was worthit.
But then I figured out the lastcouple years I'm the only one
that actually uses it.
So I decided not to get onethis year and I really regret it
because you know what?
I don't care if I'm the onlyone that uses it.
I need me some.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
What I didn't know that those get replaced every
year.
I thought, if you bought it,you have it.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I mean, it's such a pain in the butt to take it down
and you know, because there'slike these plastic bits that
hold the um poles together andstuff that break down and I
don't know, and you may have towash off this massive yeah,
tarpy thing, and then you gottafind somewhere to put it, yeah.
So, annie hoozle, I got myself alittle pathetic, uh, and I will
(02:08):
say I've used it, but it's,it's very pathetic.
Um, floaty thing it's.
It looks like a raft but youfill it with water and then you
can lay in like four inches.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Oh, no, I've seen those.
They look nice little cupholders on the side.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's no pool, it has cup holders.
On the side it's no pool, ithas cup holders.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Because I have targeted ads for those all the
time, Just the cup holders.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
She's like I'll buy anything if it has a cup holder.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You know you get thirsty sitting in the sun Got
to stay hydrated.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So yeah, I laid in my pathetic few inches of water um
yesterday and um I'll say it,I'm gonna do it again tonight.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So oh, there's that right.
I don't do activities that late.
I'm so happy for you.
Usually after we are donerecording, I go to bed you're an
old soul I know she's like it'smy bedtime.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Are we doing?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
this or what.
My niece came over for asleepover and she was like
auntie, how are we supposed togo to bed?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
it's still light out and I was like no, since we were
going to bed.
Thank goodness she doesn't livein alaska.
Yeah, well, I guess then.
Uh, since it's close to yourbedtime, we should probably get
into correction.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Oh, this is not really a correction per se, but
I wanted to mention this.
When I re-listened to thatepisode, I remembered that you
had shared some of your ownpersonal like this has happened
to you before and everything andI was going to comment on that
and then I didn't, and so then Ikind of felt like an asshole
(03:50):
after listening to it back,because I did not acknowledge
that you were like vulnerableand shared that, and so, yeah, I
mean, we all thought it.
I just wanted to say I'm sosorry that that.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I have no idea what you're talking about.
You're talking about, like the,the divorce thing or the like
the dangers of, yeah, livingwith, yeah, yeah, yeah it is
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So anyway, you guys, you know, when you try to do
something nice, then you just nogood deed.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
They say no, I didn't , I didn't take it that way.
I don't think anybody elsewould either.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well, that's just that's the kind of person I am,
you know yeah thank you forbringing that up.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Um, so, as we as you.
Another thing you brought upwas that, uh, I said the promo
code for cozy earth wassuspicious, and you said is it
that's suspicious, that it'sjust suspicious, it should be
stay suspicious.
And I said no, it's for suresuspicious.
And you said are you sure?
And I said no, and thank God Iat least said that because it's
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stay suspicious.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I knew it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, you were right.
Also, my mother crapped on meabout OK so I don't know if you
guys got the pun with the titlefor these episodes 21 and 22
about this bad dentist fatalflaws get it.
Flaws floss.
And then my mother, who'sbritish, said that doesn't work
(05:22):
for the Brits Because they'd sayflules versus floss.
So to our British friends, weapologize that you didn't get
the pun, but it's supposed to bepunny.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I mean, I'm not British and I didn't get it
either.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
so oh Well, thanks.
Okay, all right, maybe Ishouldn't try so hard.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
What was the Seinfeld ?
Oh, anti-dentite.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, anti-dentite.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Oh, anti-dentite, I forgot.
I was going to try and see if Icould find a clip of him saying
that.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You're anti-dentite.
No, they were.
He was accused of beinganti-dentite and we're not.
In fact, one of our studentexterns this year's dad is a
dentist and she's probablyappalled that I keep covering
all these bad dentists.
So you know, I promise we'llmove on.
Amanda promised next week isnot going to be about a dentist
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Thank you, you're welcome.
So, getting into this episode,the primary source is the book
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by Ann Rule entitled Too Late toSay Goodbye and trigger warning
there's going to be mentions ofdomestic abuse.
All right, allie Katz, if youhaven't listened to part one,
episode 21,.
Please go back and listen tothat first.
But here's a brief recap.
Bart Corbin seemed to have itall A successful cosmetic
(08:14):
dentist in Gwinnett County,georgia.
Tall, clean cut, the kind ofguy you'd trust with your smile.
He was married to JenniferCorbin, a preschool teacher and
mother of their two young sons.
They had a lovely house in thesuburbs, a gated community, no
less, soccer games, church onSundays.
But beneath the perfectlypolished surface, things were
(08:38):
unravelling.
Jennifer had grown distant.
Friends said she seemeddepressed.
She'd confide in a few peoplethat she suspected that Bart was
having affairs and that he washiding more than just mistresses
.
In the last year of her lifeshe began messaging with someone
she met online.
Maybe it was comfort, perhapsit was her way of escaping.
(09:00):
Whatever it was, it sealed herfate.
On December 4, 2004,.
Jennifer Corbin was found deadin the couple's home.
Their seven-year-old son,dalton, discovered her in the
early hours of the morningslumped over on the bed with a
single gunshot wound to her head.
A .38 revolver lay beside her.
(09:22):
To the police, it looked likesuicide at first, but then came
the details that didn't add upFor one.
The autopsy confirmed an entrywound in the back of the head
with a trajectory inconsistentwith suicide.
A .38 caliber revolver wasdiscovered tucked beneath the
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comforter, not positioned as onewould expect in a
self-inflicted wound defyinggravity, indicating that it was
placed there intentionally.
Not to mention that the shothad severed her brainstem so she
would have instantly beenunable to move.
No gunshot residue was detectedon Jennifer's hands, which also
(10:03):
rules out that the gunshotwound was self-inflicted.
Investigators noted the lack offingerprints on the weapon and
the absence of any note ortypical behavioral indicators
used in suicide.
Key items like divorce filingswere found near the scene,
indicating domestic tension andmotive.
A wine glass on the nightstandinitially suggested possible
(10:27):
impairment.
Still, toxicology laterconfirmed that there was no
alcohol in Jennifer's system,which was further proof that the
scene was staged.
And then there were the emails,her online relationship
conversations, where sheexpressed fear and a growing
certainty that she was beingwatched.
(10:47):
The case hovered in limbo untilsomething strange surfaced A
second woman, a second death,same method, same gun,
same man.
Let's talk about Dolly Hearn.
Dolly was born on July 6, 1962in Atlanta, georgia, and she was
(11:09):
the oldest child of Dr Carltonand Barbara Hearn's three
children.
She was a warm, loving andnurturing person.
Her brother, carlton Jr, wasborn in 1965, and Gil was born
in 1972.
When Dolly was 10 years old,gill looked up to her like a
second mom.
The Hearns lived in a largewhite colonial house in
(11:30):
Washington, georgia, which wasbuilt in 1854 and survived the
Civil War.
It sat on 20 acres, surroundedby massive oak and pecan.
Do you say pecan or pecan?
I say pecan, pecan, pecan.
I don't even know what I say.
That time I said pecan, whichis not.
I feel like I don't normallysay pecan.
(11:51):
All right, pecan trees I don'tknow.
When it's a tree, I think weneed to say pecan.
I don't know pecan, pecan,pecan.
Trees that generations ofchildren love to play under
carlton senior, had his owndental practice in town and life
seemed ideal.
Dolly was the kind of personwho excelled at everything.
(12:12):
She was an exceptional swimmer,an excellent baton twirler.
She won the Golden Eagle Awardfor school spirit in her high
school years.
She was even a high jumper andshot putter on her high school
track team.
Those metal balls are so heavyand she was a delicate, slender
girl so I have no idea how shewas able to put a shot anywhere.
(12:32):
I can hardly pick one up, letalone launch it.
Yeah, those thingsare heavy.
Dolly was a tap dancer andappeared in local theater
productions.
She played the piano.
She sang in choirs.
I mean, is there anything shecouldn't do?
She sounds to me like the kindof girl that you'd love to hate,
except she was so kind and downto earth that everyone loved
her.
Of course she was also thecaptain of the cheerleading
(12:55):
squad at her high school.
Dolly was fun and cheeky.
She loved to pull pranks on herfriends.
Even her pranks were adorable,like putting a flock of plastic
pink flamingos on a friend'slawn or filling their car with
balloons on their birthday.
I mean, oh it's so cute.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
That's adorable.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I love that I love that so much.
I want to be pranked like that.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Note to listeners I'm like uh, check october balloons
okay oh, you know my birthdayone I know your whole birthday.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Come on, you do yes um, dolly also loved cats, same
all kinds of cats.
She was one of those peoplethat filled their living spaces
with cat motifs, cat picturespictures, cat pillows, cat
ceramics and, of course, realcats.
Later, dolly's friends woulddescribe her as looking like
(13:55):
Snow White, because she had paleskin, big doe eyes and thick
black hair, and she was crazyabout red roses.
A lot of boys were interestedin asking her out, but she
wasn't anxious to fall in love.
She wanted to take her time andhave fun, and really she wanted
to marry her soulmate, justlike her parents had.
Dolly's mother taught her tocross-stitch, and one Father's
(14:17):
Day she gave her dad across-stitch pillow that had
taken her hours to make.
He loved to fish, and so sheembroidered this poem with the
lines I pray that I may live tofish.
And so she embroidered thispoem with the lines I pray that
I may live to fish until mydying day.
And when it comes to my lastcast, I then most humbly pray,
when in the lord's great hangingnet and peacefully asleep, that
(14:39):
in his mercy I be judged bigenough to keep.
Oh my gosh again adorable oh,dolly, I know.
She was so close to her dad soclose that she decided to follow
in his footsteps after highschool and she became a dental
assistant.
After earning her undergraduatedegree at several universities,
(15:00):
she entered dental school in1991 in augusta.
She would be in the class ayear behind Bart Corbin's.
Given what we already talkedabout, it was no surprise that
she was extremely popular withher classmates.
She garnered a lot of attention, especially from the men in her
program.
Unfortunately, one of those menwas Bart Corbin.
(15:23):
Bart met her in her first yearof school, which was his second
year, and fell instantly anddeeply in love.
Dolly played it cool.
She was attracted to him andshe noticed that he often acted
as a class clown and a hugeparty animal.
But some of her classmates gotbad vibes from him and weren't
so sure they would be a goodmatch.
(15:43):
Bart had a dark, bad boy side,in stark contrast to Dolly's
bubbly positivity.
Bart had been known for hismoods and a short fuse even back
then, not to mention that hehad a weird aversion to
deodorant.
Come on, dude, why are youwalking around marinating in
your own bad decisions?
He was convinced that thealuminum would kill you and
(16:05):
refused to wear any.
I mean they were in sweatyhumid Georgia.
He must have smelled likeregret and wet gym socks.
Like he was the human embodimentof a damp sponge left in a gym
bag.
Gross, Gross, Gross.
I mean, these poor students areout there trying to get their
education and he's out theretrying to invent a new species
(16:25):
of bacteria in his armpits.
Okay, I'll stop.
You get the point.
A former classmate later toldAnne Rule the one thing I
remember about Bart is that heconsidered himself superior to
others.
He seemed devoid of empathy orany capability of significant
emotional attachment.
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Dolly found an apartment at 3077Parrish Road in Augusta.
It was one of several townhouserentals standard in the area.
She moved in and advertised fora housemate, and a younger
medical assistant student namedAngela Garntow moved in.
They quickly became fastfriends.
Angela would later talk aboutDolly's bright smile and how she
(17:08):
would walk into a room andlight it up.
I mean, how often do you hearabout a victim described like
that?
Either it's hyperbole or a noteto self.
Don't light up a room if youdon't want to get murdered.
I'm serious people For real,but seriously.
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Professors, classmates, friendsand family all described her as
vibrant and that she lookedlike a movie star, who didn't
have to make the effort to looklike a movie star, if you know
what I mean, the dental academicprogram was rigorous.
Dolly would unwind by watchingdaytime soap operas.
She loved them.
She told friends and familythat she was addicted to them
and additionally, in her freetime she began dating Bart
Corbin.
Unfortunately, and additionally, in her free time, she began
dating Bart Corbin.
Unfortunately, he love-bombedthe heck out of her, of course,
but we all know that can't last.
(17:53):
Sooner or later, the abuser'strue self will out.
It was almost a year into theirrelationship before Dolly took
Bart home to meet her sibs andher parents.
She was worried about how hisacerbic wit and sarcasm would
come across to her family, andhe didn't let her down.
After an awkward dinner,Dolly's father brought up
(18:13):
dentistry.
After all, he was a dentist andBart was in dental school.
They should have lots in common, right.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Bart's reply.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I can hardly wait to graduate, so I can stick it to
the people.
What?
What does that even mean?
He was clearly in it for moneyand prestige, and dolly's dad,
dr hearn, found this nauseating.
Both he and his wife barbaradoubted that bart had what it
took to pursue a career in ahealing profession.
They were smart enough, though,to keep their opinions to
themselves.
Nothing makes somebody lookhotter than when your parents
(18:46):
say you can't date them.
And Bart and Dolly'srelationship began to unravel
shortly afterwards, because fewthings highlight the problems in
a toxic relationship moreclearly than the stark contrast
(19:07):
of a healthy, loving one.
Six months later, bart proposedto Dolly, and she declined yes,
get it, girl.
She didn't see theirrelationship going anywhere, and
she was super stressed atschool.
You see, somebody wassabotaging her.
One morning she went to her carand found that her tires were
slashed.
And another time someone puthairspray in her contact
(19:31):
solution oh my god and the worstof all.
Her sweet fur baby cat, tabitha, had gone missing and she
suspected someone had taken her.
Tabitha was an indoor cat andwhen dolly and her roommate
angela came home from school oneday, they found the sliding
glass doors open and tabithanowhere to be seen tabitha would
(19:56):
have came back.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
If that was, she just went to explore, she would have
came back right, no, exactly,they cats know.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
But bart came over and drove Dolly around town for
two hours looking for Tabitha.
But Dolly had a sinking feelingin her gut that Bart may have
been behind the disappearanceyeah, because Dolly's no dummy
right.
Bart and Dolly had an on-again,off-again relationship.
Dolly would feel smothered andcontrolled and they would break
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it off for a while, and thenBart would make all these empty
promises to give her more spaceand then get back together again
Until the fall of 1989, aftertwo and a half years of this
she'd had enough.
She broke it off for good.
Then Bart started stalking her.
He bombarded her friends withphone calls, begging them to
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tell him how to win Dolly back.
One friend told him you betternot have anything to do with
tabitha's disappearance or she'sgonna hate you forever.
Interestingly, he didn'tprotest his innocence or
anything like that.
He just said, yeah, I need tocall her and quickly hung up the
phone.
When dolly finally confrontedhim about tabitha, he burst into
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tears and finally admitted thathe was the one who took her and
just dumped her somewhere thehell.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, lose my number, thanks.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Guys, a surefire way of earning your spot on a
woman's shortlist is to messwith their pets Holy smokes, or
holy cats, as Amanda likes tosay yeah, holy cats.
So Brad takes Dolly to the spotwhere he dropped Tabitha off and
, mind you, this was over amonth ago and miraculously she
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appeared when Dolly called hername.
No no, she was tangled anddirty and she looked worse for
wear, but she started purringwhen Dolly picked her up.
And she was tangled and dirtyand she looked worse for wear,
but she started purring whendolly picked her up and she was
alive oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
And so?
So now bart gets to be mr herobecause he took her there.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
No fuck that still lose my number right, well, and
he's the one that put her thereto begin with yeah, exactly bart
seemed sorry for what he'd done, but his contrition didn't last
long.
By December, dolly had someonebreak into her mailbox and steal
her packages, and then someonepoured paint in her gas tank.
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Yeah, I mean what the you knowhow much that would muck up your
car.
Yeah, no kidding.
And then during the holidays,someone broke into the school
and stole almost $2,000 worth ofher dental tools and a set of
dentures that she'd been workingon.
What the heck?
At the time, it took severalmonths to complete a set of
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dentures, and a set of dentureswas a requirement for graduation
.
Dolly went to her advisor intears, but she couldn't prove
that they were stolen, so shehad to start all over again.
Bart strutted around the schooltrying to make allies and paint
Dolly as paranoid that she wasthe crazy one.
This gaslighting bell-end wascontinuing his abuse from afar.
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Dolly didn't care.
She reported Bart to the schooland brought him before the
honor board.
They launched an investigationinto Dolly's allegations.
Still, the only evidence thatshe had was circumstantial.
Meanwhile, Bart, the abuser,turned up the charm meter and
convinced everyone that he wasnot involved in any way.
Of course, he was furious thatDolly dared accuse him and try
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to protect herself, and so thisfed his inner ball of rage that
was surely growing.
With every rejection, everyaccusation, escalation was
inevitable.
Dolly felt his presenceeverywhere.
She tried to change schools,but her grades weren't good
enough for a transfer.
She had trouble sleeping, shelost weight, she struggled to
concentrate in class, and all ofthis because of this asshat's
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reign of terror.
She did go on a few dates withother men, but Bart followed her
on these dates and one nighteven banged on the door of the
guy's apartment where Dolly andher date were watching
television.
They called 911 to report him,but he left before the police
arrived.
Dolly was too terrified to gohome, so ironically she stayed,
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even though it wasn't for, youknow, nookie or whatever, she
stayed.
So for safety yeah yeah, shestayed because she was afraid to
go home.
Uh, and bark came back at 4 am.
Psycho, the stalking and theterrorizing continued.
Meanwhile the school droppedDolly's case against Bart.
I just hate that stalkingwasn't considered serious and I
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still think yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
It's not.
It's like she didn't have acell phone at the time it's 1989
, so it's not like she can snapa pic or like there's no ring
doorbell to catch him.
Yeah, but I'm like the schooldidn't even have cameras.
No, I know, but it's like.
But I guess probably not in theclassrooms, probably only at
the entrances.
If they did, and it's likewomen.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Just they were like well, there's nothing we can do
until they actually do something.
So women have to wait untilsomething happens to be taken
seriously, and then, by then thesomething that happens, it's
already too late.
I mean, that's, that's whatwe're hoping to avoid.
Yeah, I don't know if it's muchbetter now, um, but yeah, it
was bad, especially bad backthen.
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So dolly began to fear for herlife.
She obtained a gun and herbrother took her to a firing
range to teach her how to use it.
She kept the gun in a shoeboxunder her bed.
She was petrified.
This bubbly sunshine of a soulhad become fearful.
Her light and her volume dimmedand then one day angela came
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home from school and found dollycollapsed.
No, I know, no, um.
So now it's it's time for chartnotes.
I'm just giggling, becausethat's what I do when I'm
uncomfortable, but oh, what'shappening well, no, it's like
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dolly collapse on the couchanyway.
Chart notes and then we sing.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yes, and no, oh, I thought you were going to tell
us about something that'suncomfortable no, no, not at all
.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
We're going to talk about benadryl, but no shade to
doll right, so okay.
So for someone with a lifetimeof allergies, with an allergic
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child as well, um, benadryl hasbeen a lifesaver and it might be
going away, and so I thought,oh really I should.
Yeah, I should share thereasons why and help everyone
feel better about all of thiswait.
What will people use then we'regood, you know what.
I'm so glad you asked okay,because welcome to chart okay
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welcome to the chart segmentwhere we learn about what's
happening in medicine,specifically benadryl and health
care.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Thank you for keeping me up to date, because
apparently I've never heard ofthis Okay.
So Benadryl is.
I'm on summer break.
I've just been watching Grey'sAnatomy, so yeah, that's cool
girl, I'm here for you, I gotyou.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Okay, sorry, yeah.
So Benadryl is calleddiphenhydramine, is called
diphenhydramine, um, andobviously it was a leading n
histamine, but it's now largelyoutclassed by second generation
options like cetirizine, whichis um, zyrtec, loratadine, which
is claritin, and fexofenadine,which is uh allegra, and they
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offer equivalent allergy reliefbut with fewer side effects.
Okay, so there are some safetyconcerns, especially in
vulnerable groups, aboutdiphenhydramine or Benadryl.
Evidence points to the factthat there is a heightened risk
of adverse effects in childrenand older adults, including
sedation, cognitive impairment,anticholinergic effects like dry
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mouth and urinary retention,and potentially serious cardiac
issues like prolonged QT andarrhythmia, so in other words,
irregular heartbeats withBenadryl slash diphenhydramine.
So, despite its toxicityconcerns, diphenhydramine
remains widely available, foundin over 300 over-the-counter
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formulations.
Regulatory bodies in countrieslike Germany and Sweden have
already restricted itsaccessibility due to safety
issues.
So there are plenty of peoplethat are arguing that
diphenhydramines benefits nolonger outweigh the risks at a
population level and there aremany advocates for removing it
as a first-line therapy andrestricting its access over the
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counter, recommendingsecond-generation antihistamines
as safer alternatives.
So the article that I will post, the or in the show notes, not
the chart.
This is the chart.
I'm going to put it in the shownotes Argue that
diphenhydramines benefits nolonger outweigh the risks, as we
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said, and it's time to retireBenadryl.
Time for Benadryl to hang upits jersey.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I know, Obviously I don't have allergies.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
In its place, second generation antihistamines offer
safer, equally effective andmore tolerable solution, which
is especially crucial forchildren, older adults and those
at risk of side effects.
Um, yeah, no, we have benadrylin every uh emergency kit
available everybody's, you know,grandparents, houses, schools,
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whatever.
Because, um, it's the one thingthat's like okay, you bit up,
you bit a cookie that has a nutin it.
Okay, we're doing the shot andwe're doing the benadryl, then
we're doing the, but it's'redoing the Benadryl, then we're
doing the, but it's not sayingthat Benadryl is going to go
away forever.
Just maybe not, as not over thecounter.
So I think that's important toknow that.
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You know it's still going to besomething hopefully that'll be
around for when those secondgeneration antihistamines aren't
enough to do the job.
And I'm not a pharmaceutical uhrep, nor am I a pharmacist, so
but I do feel like in myexperience over the years, um,
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you know, we have kind of thishierarchy that like we start
with claritin, then we heightenit to xerotec and then um
hydroxyzine and then, oh god,this is this one, we need to
throw some Benadryl at this one,you know.
So for me it's kind of like apanicky situation, cause.
That's our ultimate emergencyuh medication.
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But you know maybe uh to hearthat there are too many uh side
effects to to that approach.
Um, um, you know that it mightactually generate some um
problems with heart rhythm andthings like that, yeah, that's
yeah you know what let's?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
let's let the experts decide um, we don't want to
mess with the heart guys yeah,yeah, so that's the.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
That's that.
Um, we're going to go back toour case.
So to recap, dolly was close tograduating.
She'd recently visited home tosee her family and had
cheerfully told her grandmothersoon you can call me Dr Dolly.
Oh my God, I don't know.
I know, but life at dentalschool was full of frightening
opportunities for attack, andBart Corbin continued his
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harassment and creepy behavior.
And then one night Dolly'sroommate, angela, came home from
school to find Dolly collapsedon the living room couch.
It was clear there was aninjury to her head and that she
was deceased.
Angela ran to a neighboringapartment and called the police.
The police arrived on the sceneto find Dolly sitting
cross-legged on the couch with agun in her lap.
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She had a single gunshot woundto her head, just above her
right ear, and despite Angela'sprotest to the contrary, the
police's initial reaction wasthat this was a suicide.
The first thing they did wasmove the gun from Dolly's lap to
a nearby stool.
I mean, hello, this was 1990.
We knew about disturbing acrime scene at that point, right
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.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Of course the police pointed to the fact that the gun
was registered to Dolly.
So suicide right, done anddusted.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Easy peasy Time to go home for meatloaf.
No.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Nope, just because it was her gun doesn't mean she
took her own life.
A search of the apartmentrevealed that Dolly had been
packing for a trip.
Turns out she was planning togo to the beach that weekend and
in the kitchen they foundingredients set out for making
her spaghetti sauce.
See, dolly planned to go homefor the weekend and promised her
brother she would bring herspeciality, her homemade
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spaghetti sauce.
So do these things spellsomeone who's given up on life?
No, you read my mind, and therewas a message on dolly's
answering machine from bartcorbin.
He said he was sorry but hecouldn't make it to the party
they were supposed to go to thatnight.
Maybe they could connect thefollowing day.
What?
Angela was confused.
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She'd not heard about any plansfor a party, or that dolly was
even on speaking terms with bart.
For that matter, this was asfishy as a sardine in a trench
coat.
Thank you for laughing at mybad dad jokes you're welcome my
little bad dad similes.
Um, when investigators talked toDolly's friends and family, the
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message was pretty muchunanimous Dolly would never kill
herself.
Bart was close to a couple ofdentists named Tony and Vicky
who had been concerned aboutBart for a long while before
Dolly's death.
They knew he was distraughtover their breakup.
So one Sunday, Don't besuspicious.
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Oh, that could be our theme song.
We need a theme song.
I like it.
One Sunday, not long beforeDolly died, he met them for
brunch.
He said he'd been to churchsuddenly and the urged had the
urge to go for some reason.
And then, in an ominous voice,he told them you know, I have
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guns at home.
Okay, Psycho.
Tony and Vicki were terrifiedthat Bart would hurt himself.
They convinced him to give themhis guns until Bart was in a
better state of mental health.
But then, right after Dollydied, later that same evening he
showed up at Tony and Vicki'splace and asked for his guns
back.
Supposedly, Bart didn't evenyet know that Dolly was dead.
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While he was at Tony andVicki's place, the phone rang.
It was a mutual friend callingwith the awful news.
Poor Tony had no idea how hewas going to tell Bart.
He made up some reason why theyshould all go over to their
friend Eric's house.
Tony felt like Eric was thebest person to handle Bart if he
went off the rails at the newsof Dolly's death.
They convinced Bart to leavethe guns behind and when they
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dropped the bombshell on him heinitially seemed to be stricken
with grief.
But after a few minutes,however, he was miraculously
able to calm down.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
How about that?
Huh, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Regardless of their belief that it was a suicide.
Police did question part.
He seemed nervous at first butquickly pulled himself together.
The police thought this wasweird, considering she was
supposedly the love of his lifeand she was dead.
Bart had a flat affect.
He said he'd seen dolly for thelast time around two in the
afternoon two days before herdeath.
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He told detective john Graythat he'd stopped by to check on
her because she was sick.
He said it was a pleasant visit, just a bit of chit chat, oh
sure, no arguments or anythinglike that.
And he said they were planningto go to a party together the
night of her death.
Oddly he couldn't quiteremember the name of the person
throwing the party, but he madesure to stress to the detective
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he'd left a voice message aboutit on dolly's answering machine
between 2 and 2 30 in theafternoon that day.
Good way to cover your tracks,dude.
No one will ever suspect.
Yeah, did you?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
guys find my alibi god.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Then he provided.
He provided an excruciatinglydetailed micro account of
everything he did that day.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Suspish as heck isn't that what they always do?
Have a very detailed account ofevery single place they were to
that day?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
the detective noticed that some of his times
overlapped and that there was a45 minute stretch in the early
afternoon where he doubted bartcould have done all the things
that he said he did.
And when detective gray askedhim about his relationship with
dolly he said it had beenserious for a while.
They talked about gettingmarried, but bart said he broke
it off in the end.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
You know, of course yeah, he broke it off.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
He couldn't possibly have a woman leave him he said
I'm graduating, I can't stayaround just for a girlfriend.
And I told her that.
And just as he had with theirclassmates at dental school,
bart described dolly's reaction.
It depended on the day.
Sometimes it upset her,sometimes not.
He painted her as unpredictable, volatile and moody.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, bart, in your account.
That will be the only one, I'msure.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
When detectives asked him how Dolly's mood had been
the previous couple of weeks, hevirtually rubbed his hands
together.
He was enjoying himself so much.
He said that Dolly wasdepressed about her grades and
her future career prospects.
He said that she said that whatshe was going to try to
accomplish was probably justunrealistic dreams.
Here's the thing Dolly's gradeswere fine no thanks to your
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sabotage, bart.
And during this whole firstinterview interview, bart
insisted he hadn't seen Dolly onthe day she died, didn't go
anywhere near her place andhadn't seen her in two days, and
after a few hours ofconversation they let Bart go.
They called him back the nextday, though, and lo and behold,
his story had changed.
Oh shocking right.
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I'm sure that you can't believeyour heroes at this time.
He said he'd gone to see dollyat one in the afternoon on the
day she died.
They sat on the couch togetherand watched tv, according to him
.
He said that somebody droppedby dolly's place while he was
there, but he was in thebathroom when the woman showed
up and she was already leavingby the time.
He came out and he said Italked to one of her neighbors
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that day too.
I knocked on his door to askhim if he'd be willing to
volunteer to let me take somex-rays of him for class.
He must have figured out thetwo witnesses were placing him
at the scene of the crime andbackpedaled.
Not a great technique if you'retrying to get away with murder.
When he was challenged byinvestigators as to why his
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story changed, he said he liedbecause dolly's father had quote
thought that bart had donecertain things to dolly earlier
that year and threatened to killhim without any direct evidence
to hold on to.
Investigators had to let bartgo and the next day, instead of
a perp walk, a grinning bartcorbin walked through his
graduation from dental school.
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Doosh, shocking, I just want topunch him in the throat.
So Dolly's autopsy revealed thatDolly had died from a gunshot
wound to the head.
There was blackened skin at theentry point, meaning it was a
contact wound.
The gun was held right upagainst the skin.
This is pretty common insuicides, but the medical
examiner felt a little uneasyabout making that call.
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There was something about thecase that bothered her.
She called the manner of deathundetermined.
Unfortunately, you can't takesomeone to trial on suspicion
alone.
The police determined that shemost likely had taken her own
life and they moved on.
After Dolly's death, mark, nowI'm going to call him Mark.
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Mark moved.
Mark moved 150 miles away fromAugusta to Gwinnett County and
got to go on with his life.
He started his dental career,had relationships with women,
including the ones that heultimately would cheat on Jen
with.
We discussed those women inPart one, alleycats.
Remember the married one whoended up coming to Bart and
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Jen's wedding?
Remember she was old enough tobe his mom?
Yeah, douchebag, her name wasHarriet Gray.
In September of 1996, theweekend after Bart and Jen got
married, 56-year-old HarrietGray went missing.
No, yeah, police later said thedisappearance had the look of
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an abduction.
She was missing for a year andthen, in December of 1997, her
car was found at the bottom ofLake Tuscaloosa in Alabama.
What Her hands had been?
Duct duct taped to the steeringwheel.
And her murder is unsolved tothis day.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Okay, guys, I can solve it.
It was Bart.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I mean honestly, yeah , Tell me it's not him, because
holy cats it was either Bart orher husband, because he was like
F you cheating woman.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Oh, that's true, yeah , it could have.
Or her husband, because he waslike F you cheating woman.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Oh, that's true.
Yeah, it could have been herhusband, but Bart was in Alabama
for various reasons.
Okay, we're going to hear about.
So when Dolly Hearn's parentsreached out to Detective Marcus
Head, who was in the early daysof investigating jen corma's
murder, he felt like he'dstepped into a movie plot.
Now he had two women connectedwith bart, both dead from a
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gunshot wound to the head, andboth deaths had happened right
as the women were poised to endtheir relationships with bart.
So detective head reached outto the richmond county sheriff's
department for info on dolly'sdeath and on the other end of
the line was a sergeant, scottpeoples.
Hmm, interesting, cute name.
Interestingly, scott was theson of ron peoples, one of the
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original investigators ondolly's case.
Ron was retired but as soon ashe heard from detective head,
scott called him asking what heremembered from the dolly hearn
case and without hesitation, ronsaid I always thought Bart
Corbin killed her.
Crime scene processing wassignificantly less advanced in
the 90s than it was in 2004.
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The original detectives hadn'thad much to work with.
I mean, they had a total of 20crime scene photos, whereas
these days you get hundreds ofphotos Additionally.
By 2004, blood spatter analysishad become second nature to
many crime scene technicians.
The first thing Scott Peeblesdid was send photos of the
bloodstains to an expert forreview, and in the meantime he
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set about interviewing Dolly'sfamily and friends, all of whom
were over the moon about thefact that the case was getting
new attention.
Bart was a jealous asshole, theytold detective peoples.
Dolly had been afraid of bartwhile the harassment was going
on.
She was desperately trying toget someone in authority to
believe her.
She went to the police, butstalking laws were non-existent
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in the 90s.
Back then, unless you haddirect video evidence of someone
committing the crime, you wereout of luck.
I'm not sure it's much betternowadays and, as we discussed,
the dental school was no help.
It's so infuriating.
The only people who took herseriously and saw the danger she
was in were the people thatloved her, and they were the
ones that were powerless toprotect her.
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Can you imagine how they musthave felt?
No horrible, yeah.
Imagine how they must have felt.
No horrible, yeah.
As people sent his team reviewthe old case files, they came
across a witness report thatencouraged them.
The neighborhood knocked on thedoor and found a shirtless man
glaring at her from dolly'sbathroom on the day of her
murder.
I'm not laughing about themurder, I'm just laughing about
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the man in the bathroom I knowit reminded me of um my trailer
park guy yeah, trailer park,yeah, yeah, no, take it off by
the way, um, I just saw yourphoto on social media about um,
of the inside of that trailer.
Yeah, oh my god, from theYouTube doctor episode, uh,
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listeners, uh, I thought youwere going to say wow, not uh,
patrick Dempsey.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Definitely not Patrick.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Dempsey Yikes.
Anything further from that?
Uh yeah, Anyway.
So this witness that saw theman in the bathroom described
bart corbin to a t and pickedhis photo out of a lineup.
The expert crime scene analystalso provided promising findings
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.
He said dolly hadn't been shotin the same position they found
her in.
The blood stains in the spatterdidn't fit.
Somebody had to have moved her.
She couldn't have moved herselfat that point.
Not only that, but the gunseemed to have been wiped clean
and there was no blood spatteron it or on Dolly's hands.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yeah, the gun was laid neatly in her lap as though
it was placed by someone else.
The scene was glaringly staged.
It was enough to get the mannerof death changed from
undetermined to homicide and awarrant was issued for Bart
Corbin's arrest.
Meanwhile the Gwinnett Countyinvestigators were digging into
Jen's case.
They knew by now that Bart hadthe motives and the means to
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kill Jen, but they needed tofigure out if he had the
opportunity.
One of Bart and Jen's neighborshad said that on the night that
Jen died he heard a distinctiverumble of Bart's truck in the
Corbin's driveway.
The court subpoenaed hisfriends to testify and began to
piece together the events.
So Bart and some friends gottogether for dinner and drinks
at a Wings place.
Bart had too many drinks andwent over to one of his friends'
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house to hang out some more,and Bart's friend begged him to
stay over rather than drive home.
But Bart said no, he's going togo to his brother, bobby's
house.
At 1 am the friend said Bartleft to drive over to Bobby's.
Bobby told the police that Bartarrived at 3.30 am, so that
would have been two and a halfhours later.
Of course Bart made a stop onthe way to Bobby's.
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That would fit with the timethat the neighbor said he heard
Bart's truck.
And then investigators pulledBart's cell phone records and
found that his phone had pingedoff a tower near the Corbin
house at the time that Jen wasmurdered.
This was enough to issue awarrant for his arrest, for
Jen's murder as well, butprosecutors truly wanted to make
sure that he was nailed to thewall.
Without a doubt they needed themurder weapon.
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Investigators knew from cellphone records that Bart had made
a trip to Alabama in the weekspreceding the murder.
Further investigation revealedthat a family friend of the
Corbin's, a man named RichardWilson, lived there.
A check of the serial number ofthe gun that had killed Jen
revealed that years before themurder Richard Wilson had
contacted a sheriff's deputy tofind out if the gun he wanted to
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purchase was legitimate.
He wanted to make sure ithadn't been stolen, and once he
got the all clear he bought thegun the same serial number as
the gun that killed Jen.
So the murder weapon belongedto Bart's buddy, richard.
Richard did not want tocooperate with the investigators
.
They had to reach out time andtime again.
Once they figured out that hisgun was the murder weapon, he
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finally agreed to cooperate.
Bart had called him aroundThanksgiving, asked if he owned
any firearms and said he wantedto get one for cash.
Richard said sure, oh no, hetraded the gun.
Yeah, I don't know why I saidthis.
He said he wanted to get onefor cash.
Richard said sure, but then heended up trading the gun for a
lawnmower.
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Oh my God, that's so ridiculous.
So now the prosecution hadliterally the smoking gun.
The courts were already on thesecond day of jury selection
when the news came down.
One of the investigators had amoment of law and order.
He burst into the courtroom,went up and whispered to one of
the prosecutors and it just madeeverybody stay.
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The next day, bart took a pleadeal to avoid the death penalty.
He pleaded guilty to Jen andDolly's murders and was
sentenced to two concurrent lifesentences.
Poor Max Barber.
Jen's dad gave an impactstatement.
God might forgive you, he toldhis former son-in-law, but I
never will.
And when the judge asked if hewanted to say anything before
(48:23):
sentencing, bart just said no,sir, I don't.
Staring down at his shoes.
Later that year, the MedicalCollege of Georgia awarded Dolly
Hearn a posthumous degree.
Although she'd never had thechance to graduate with her
dental license, she would nowforever be known as Dr Dolly
Hearn.
I'll forever be known as DrDolly Harn.
Aww, and that's a wrap.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Oh my Okay.
Wow, it was like I think hekilled that other woman too.
I do too.
I do too.
I mean, what's a third lifesentence at that point?
But justice for her Right andsome relief for the family to
know what might have happened.
Obviously, she didn't killherself.
(49:08):
Her hands were duct taped.
I know that's so horrific.
You don't duct tape your ownhands and then drive your car
into the water.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Can you imagine?
No, I don't want to imagine.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
And she had kids too.
I love that the school awardedDoy a posthumous degree me too.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
She earned it, man.
He sabotaged her like she hadto work like 10 times as hard as
everybody else because she'strying to get around this ass.
That was uh sabotaging her,literally her work.
Can you imagine working onsomething for three or four
months and then someone stealsit?
Speaker 2 (49:46):
No, Plus your tools to be able to do it, and imagine
how expensive those tools are.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, and it's not just infuriating, it's scary,
like how scared she must havebeen.
It just it's a very, very sadstory.
How long ago was this so?
The first murder was in the1990s and the second one was
2004 I think.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Okay, so he's only served 20-ish years.
Yeah, how, how old is thisdouchebag these days?
Um, I think I'm sure he'll dieof a heart attack or something
in jail.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Yeah, I think he's in his sixties.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I um, yeah, I can do a little search, a little
cursory search on him and thenwe can bring up any like if he
gets, uh is if he's up forparole or anything, and people
want to show up to thecourthouse and protest.
Yeah, For real, I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
It just seemed like it was just straightforward.
He admitted that he killed themboth and it wasn't this big
long drawn out like you can'tprove it yeah, that the families
had to go through.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, even more.
I mean he had to wait untilthey found the murder weapon.
But yeah, yeah, he saw thewriting on the wall eventually.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, yeah, exactly freaking richard making things
difficult.
But dang, richard really,really needed that lawnmower
more.
That's so funny, what a weirdo.
I'll take cash and then hebrings along more.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
I don't know.
That's just how the book talkedabout it, so I don't know
Interesting.
So shall we cheer everyone upwith a medical mishap?
Speaker 2 (51:30):
We shall.
It looks like we have an emailtitled sock for my doc.
Oh, excuse me, do tell.
It says hey, allie cats, afriend of mine turned me onto
your pod a few months ago andI've been listening every
Wednesday ever since.
(51:51):
I love you guys.
Oh, thank you.
We love you too.
We love you too.
Okay, so I'm not what you wouldcall brave when it comes to
medical stuff.
I'm more of a go limp and letthe professionals wheel me
around kind of person.
Anyway, I had to get acolonoscopy.
My doctor told me routine,quick.
(52:12):
You'll barely know whathappened Lies Not about the
procedure itself that part wasreally a blur but about me
barely knowing.
Oh, no, oh, I knew, I knewthings had gone off the rails.
When I woke up in recovery andmy nurse was laughing so hard
she had tears running down herface, apparently while still
(52:35):
under the influence ofanesthesia.
I had come to, looked my veryprofessional, very stoic
gastroenterologist in the eyeand said, hey, we should open a
taco truck together as you do,as you do folks.
(52:56):
Not.
How'd it go, doc, not where amI Nope Straight to the food
truck entrepreneurship and then,according to the staff, who all
came by later to confirm Ifollowed it up with you'll
handle the tacos, I'll do themarketing and we'll raise three
golden retrievers together in avan with fairy lights.
(53:17):
I mean, it sounds like a placeI want to be Tacos and
retrievers Right.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
How could he say no, it's irresistible.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Then, to seal the deal, I attempted to give him my
hospital-issued non-slip sockas a business down payment.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Oh my, god, at least it was her sock and not her
something else.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yeah, true, true.
I don't remember any of this,obviously, but what I do
remember is waking up to myhusband saying did you propose
to your doctor?
And then the GI doc, bless hispatient soul, walked in and said
totally deadpan, we're namingthe dogs Bean, salsa and Larry.
And to this day, every time Icome in for a follow up he winks
(54:09):
and says still saving up forthe truck for real anesthesia.
And wow, I said that, so fancyanesthesia and I are no longer
on speaking terms.
Thanks for reading this.
If you do stay safe and staysuspicious of yourself.
Hopped up on anesthesia, lovecourtney, oh my god, that's so
(54:32):
funny.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Bean salsa and larry, I love that come on, courtney,
you've got to get those dogs,you've got to ditch your husband
and marry the GI.
Doc what it was meant to be.
I'm just kidding.
Oh, that reminds me.
So my daughter had a date tomeet somebody at a swimming pool
(54:55):
in a small town.
It was like out in the middleof nowhere.
You know where Gaylord is, uhyeah.
I do, yeah, okay, well, that'ssad.
Oh, that's because you have togo there probably did.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
You know that we cover schools there.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
Yeah oh, my god, so we're we're.
So, gaylord, I was picturing alittle differently, like you
know, like maybe a little bitwhimsical of a town.
No, no, no, no, it's just.
You go in and there are thesemajor like silos and big like
semi truck weighing stations.
You know, it's definitely afarming community, um, and we
(55:37):
get close to the pool, which Iknow because it's like the water
tower, which is like the mainattraction in the town, and
she's meeting her friends atthis, the water park, at this
they call water park, there'sone water slide anyway.
Um, dropping her off, and Ilook across the road and there's
a little food truck and I'mlike, oh cute, what's in this
(56:00):
food truck?
Maybe I might partake, and thename of the food truck, like the
restaurant running the foodtruck, was called Mexican food.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Oh, real original.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
And then I look across the street and there's a
Blimpies, which apparently is asub shop and I just thought that
was such a cute name.
I know it's a chain, anyway.
So later on my daughter wastaking her sweet time getting
home and I said have you hadanything to eat?
She goes yeah, we ate.
I said, ooh, because I knewthere were two choices in town
it was Mexican food or Blimpies.
(56:34):
I said did you eat at blimpies?
She said no, the food truck.
And I said what did?
Well, what did you have?
She goes Mexican food.
Duh, I was like that's all Ineed to know, all right.
Speaker 2 (56:48):
Got it.
So did you know my husband'sfrom that town?
No, See oh man you can tell meall about blimpie?
Speaker 1 (56:56):
I did not know.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Yeah, none of them are there anymore, but anyway,
yeah, that's where he got.
That's why I was like, oh yeah,I've heard of it.
I wanted to see what you said.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
Well, okay, that's all I know is my, you know, 10
minute experience, because I wasin a bad mood having to drive
my daughter an hour to a poolwhen we have one in our own town
.
Speaker 2 (57:16):
Oh, there is a pool there in your town, in Belle
Pointe.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah, there's a little water park yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah, it doesn't have the one slide apparently.
Well, we have a slide.
Did you know there's a waterpark in my town?
No, really yes, but ours hasactually more slides and things.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Okay, well, maybe we need to take a little truck out
to your town.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
Maybe so Right, okay, all right Put it on the list.
Speaker 1 (57:40):
We should, anyway, as you're yawning and stretching.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Starting to stretch it out.
Well, you're in a morecomfortable position than me.
I'm sitting Indian style and mymy hips are like bitch, can you
not?
Speaker 1 (57:54):
Okay, does that mean I'm doing the promo?
I was trying.
No, I can.
I was trying to segue oh okay,well, listen.
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That's stay suspicious for 20 off your order
at strong coffee companycom um,what was that that you did
right where, where it saysprefer creamy I?
I just love that so much.
I don't know that was socharming you were like prefer
creamy.
Ah, nice, okay, all right, yeah, go, alligants, get your coffee
(59:30):
on.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
Get a cup.
I love coffee so much.
Oh wait, and like right now, myhusband goes to work in the
morning and I don't, but like hemakes coffee and I just lay in
bed and I just smell it.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
And you go.
Haha, I don't have to have it,but I will.
And then I go okay, secondsleep, goodbye.
Oh man, I love that feelingwhen you roll over and your eyes
pop open and you go I need tobe somewhere.
And then you go, no, I don't.
And then you can close youreyes again.
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Man, that's one of the best feelings in the world.
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
It's making me so tired thinking about it.
Well before you crash, girlwhat?
Are we going to hear about nextweek.
Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Next week we're going to hear about another doozy
McGee who claims they were anaturopath doctor, but kind of
similar to the other douchebagwho learned how to do things on
YouTube.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
This person may or may not have just bought all
their fancy papers online, sowe'll talk about that Great
Maybe I already gave too muchaway.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Now we look forward to hearing more about the
quackery involved in thatsituation.
Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
So we're going over to Colorado and it's not
dentistry, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Okay, that sounds amazing.
I can't wait to hear it and Iwill say, before you you end
things here please, people, you,you know we're getting such
wonderful comments and andsuggestions and emails and all
this stuff Leave us a review.
(01:01:17):
Let's do it socially, let's letpeople see what's going down.
We need your ratings andreviews to help boost us.
We are trending in France.
So, thank you to our Frenchfriends out there.
Oui, oui, thank you, merci,merci Beaucoup.
(01:01:37):
Our french, uh, friends outthere oui, oui, thank you, merci
, merci beaucoup.
Um, but, yeah, I think the restof you need to get behind the
french and let's, let's startcommenting and rating and
reviewing.
Please, please, please, okay,I'm done my soapbox okay.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
So until then, don't miss a beat.
Subscribe or follow a doctor inthe truth wherever you enjoy
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Email us your own story ideas,medical mishaps and comments at
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