Ep 26-Murder by MRI, Plus Malachi Love Robinson, Pretend-D

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
get ready for a wild ride baby, hello, hello amanda
how are you?
I just realized I did thatdifferently.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Normally I go amanda, you know what variety is good.

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Variety is good gotta keep people on your toes.
Gotta keep those alley catsguessing, second guessing.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I want them to be able to sing along to the intro
every time.
It's gonna have a littlevariety, right?
But for real, how are ya?
Aside from the fact that I'mreally full right now, I'm doing
good.

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Oh, do tell the listeners what you ate for
dinner, my love.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm outing you, I'm totally outing you, because I
love it If your name's Peggy andyou're listening to this.
Please fast forward.
I would normally say 30 seconds, but I can't tell a short story
without it being long, so maybelike a minute and 42 seconds
Fast forward, okay, thank you.
So I was scheduling a grocerypickup from sam's club because,

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god forbid, I have to go intothe actual store I mean, that's
clever yeah, and I.
It was like the app wanted totarget me with reeses oh, you're
speaking my language, my lovelanguage, and I was like I love

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a Reese's but it targeted mewith Reese's Puffs and I can't
tell you the last time I hadcereal but I added those to the
cart and I definitely had sometoday and then it was like, well
, I definitely had some todayand then it was like well,
there's still milk, so I guessI'll put more cereal in there,

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and my stomach is not happy.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
I love that so much because it's like, first of all,
basically, that is diet,reese's so good for you, for you
know being health conscious,and second of all, you know,
cereal is always for me like ahaircut.
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, this side's a little higherthan the other, and then you go,
and then it's like it's liketoo much milk, not enough milk.
Oh, now I've got too muchcereal, more milk.
I'm that way with Cheerios.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
It's a never ending cycle.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, no gosh.
So good for you for having adiet dinner, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Thank you so much.
I love that for you.
You're so good.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I think I'm going to have to sign up because I don't
know if y'all remember I don'tremember what episode it was
that I got in trouble forsnarfing Reese's on the sly.
So what if?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I went to diet yeah, only after the fact, because she
told on herself, because Ididn't actually see her eating
Reese's.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
I'm like, don't you?
I had to cut out so muchrustling.
I punished myself the rustlingof getting the little skirt off
the chocolate, but I guess Icouldn't get away with eating
Reese's Puffs the pod, becauseunless it's.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
ASMR feed no, way too crunchy, no one wants to hear
the crunchy, crunch no or youjust cause more work for
yourself.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
This is why Reese's shapes are the most superior
candy ever.
They don't have that stupidlittle skirt.
Like whatever, I'll still eatthe Reese's with the skirt, but
I will take a hundred times overa Reese's shape over the skirt.
Reese's.
No one wants a room ofchocolate and by recent.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Let's explain to the alley cats in case they don't
understand fully we're talkingthe holiday show oh yeah, am I
right?
Yep oh, the Christmas tree, thetree oh okay, which one has the
perfect amount of.
I didn't even have to saypeanut, peanut butter to
chocolate ratio.

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You're like the hearts have meand they've always had me.
They've always had my heart too.
I, you and I are one-on-one onthat.
I absolutely maybe.
Amanda, we need to go onfebruary 15th.
Yeah, you know the day abs ohyeah the sam stuff and go and

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buy the 142 piece shape bucketwhen it's on sale, that's okay
put it on the calendar.
We're gonna do it.
I'll meet you there, all right?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
okay, now that we've concluded our brief personal
yeah, four minutes and 29seconds of reese's puffs do?

Speaker 1 (04:33):
what do our listeners ?
Can our listeners handle that?
I mean?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
I think it's pretty respectable, pretty reasonable
yeah, if not, I guess I'm out oftime in the car there's a
forward 30 second button, so youcan always hit that too yeah,
screw you guys four times.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Do we have any correction?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I do have one.
So it's not really a correction, more of a hey, you big ding
dong.
So you know, when I was talkingabout the medications and and
it was like succ, and I was likeI'm not saying that whole thing
and you were like sounds likesuck and I do remember that and

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so our friend Shannon texted meand said ha, ha, ha, oh no, when
it starts with ha ha ha.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
You know you're in trouble.
She was like you know you're indrubs.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
She was like it actually is just pronounced
sucks.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
You guys are okay with that.
I mean, come on Really.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
And I was like no.
So I asked Mahani and I saidthis medication, da da da.
You know what is it called forshort?
He's like sucks and I'm like ofcourse, okay.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
No one has a problem with that.
I mean it's funny, am I right?
It's like if it was fart, if itwas like phenylaluminamine
something with rhizobone.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Totally.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
And you said oh well, that's the acronym for fart.
I mean, how would you ever talkabout that bed without just
busting into a gut laugh?

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well, I suppose if you're typically using it before
you intubate someone, the moodis maybe a little more serious.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Okay, we're taking a timeout pause before we start
surgery.
Okay, laugh, pause, surgeon.
Okay, patient name Date of Okay, laugh, pause, surgeon.
Okay, patient name.
Date of birth, allergies, firerisk and medications Fart
Perfect.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
That's why they don't let me in the OR very often.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I love the OR so much .
I know it's such a differentworld it really is and it's,
it's, it's a fun world Can beLike, first of all, your
patients are.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
if you're starting to burn out and your patients are
all out, you don't have to talkto anybody.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, that's a plus, the only, the only downside,
like I guess, for our specificwork that we do in the OR,
everyone's always like are youalmost done, how long is this
going?
This gonna be?
Or like where you're slottedfor a certain amount of time and
they're like so we'll be doneby this time, right, because we
got to get another case in hereand it's like no, I was slotted
for this amount of time, like Ihope you brought a book and it's

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like I know it's not dramatic,that there's not blood spurting
everywhere and, like you know,cleavers and and and and things
that are holding things open andmultiple people running around.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
So I always tell the staff when I have a case I'm
like, consider this a little bitof you time, just chill.
Yeah, it's fine.
And they laugh.
I mean, back in the olden daysthey used to bring me coffee and
we'd play music, and they don'tlet us do that anymore,
probably for a good reason.
But listen, this week Ipromised that when I talked next

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, because I talked about DrLuskornik, the blight on the
pimple of the blight of theworld it was so dark and so bad
that I was going to do somethinglighthearted.
And so I started doingsomething lighter hearted.
I mean, it's not nothing wetalk about on here.
Allie Katz is light, light,lighthearted, without its

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consequences, you know.
But I went down a dark holebecause I saw an article about
dying from an MRI.
So we're going to talk a littlebit about MRI deaths and then
we have a bonus case because itwas a little more lighthearted
and there wasn't a whole lot ofsubstance behind it, like not
enough for a full episode.

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So we're going to talk aboutsomething rare and horrifying
and then we'll talk about alighthearted case towards the
end.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
I love it.
Sound good.
Yeah, sounds great.
I was kind of worried for asecond that we weren't gonna
hear about dr love.
Oh no, we're gonna just listenway to, way to spoiler alert oh
well, you said last week what itwas called.
Oh, did I.
Okay, I spoiled it.
Last week.
I believe you said dr love drlove.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
yeah, we're gonna talk Love.
He's our little bonus case,because I couldn't help but talk
about the MRI, because thereare a lot of preventable deaths,
like a lot of preventableinjuries and stuff that I just
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nonagenarian?
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What's a 90 year old?
There's octogenarians andnonagenarians.
I have no idea.
Okay, well, that's probablygoing to end up in a correction
section next week.
Okay, While the resources forthis episode are listed on the
website lots of differentarticles and websites the

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trigger warning is that,unfortunately, this content does
involve a child dying.
So it was supposed to be aroutine scan a six-year-old boy
just out of brain surgery, amachine that sees inside the
body without a single incision,no knives, no radiation.
No knives, no radiation, justmagnetic fields.

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Then suddenly an oxygen tank isripped across the room and it
hits him in the skull.
The boy dies.
I know In another part of theworld, years later, a man walks
into a hospital MRI suite tohelp his aging relative.
He's holding an oxygen cylinder.

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The magnet doesn't care, oh mygod, across the globe.
So today we're looking intosomething most of us never
questioned the MRI.

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It's safe, non-invasive, trusted.
But under the wrongcircumstances it can become
lethal.
So let's start with what an MRIis.
Mri stands for magneticresonance imaging.
It's a type of scan that uses apowerful magnet, radio waves
and a computer to createdetailed images of the body's
organs and tissues.
There's no radiation involved,which is part of why it's
considered so safe.
But here's the thing the magnetin an MRI machine is always on,

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not just during the scan always.
I don't think people realizethat.
So in most hospital machinesthat magnetic field measures
between 1.5 and 3 Tesla.
That's tens of thousands oftimes stronger than the Earth's
magnetic field.
So what does that mean inpractice?
It means that anythingferromagnetic oxygen tanks,

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wheelchairs, even paperclips canbecome high-speed projectiles
and if they're pulled into thescanner while someone's inside
it can be fatal.
So let's look at our first case.
In 2001, six-year-old MichaelColombini had recently undergone
surgery to remove a benignbrain tumor.
He was scheduled for afollow-up MRI at Westchester

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Medical Center in Valhalla, newYork.
The day of the scan, michaelwas wheeled into the MRI suite
and at some point a metal oxygentank was brought in.
The tank was instantly pulledinto the machine by the magnetic
field.
It struck Michael in the head.

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He went into a coma and diedtwo days later.
The investigation afterwardrevealed systemic failures
improper training, poor roomsetup, unclear responsibilities.
Even the doors weren't lockedor labeled correctly.
A lawsuit followed.

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So did national outrage.
In 2010, records filed inwestchester county revealed that
the family settled a lawsuitfor 2.9 million.
Michael's death became achilling case study in what can
happen when medical safetyprotocols break down and and
unfortunately it wasn't the lasttime Fast forward to 2018.
In Mumbai, india, 32-year-oldRajesh Maru accompanied a family

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member to a government hospitalfor an MRI.
Reports say a hospital staffmember instructed him to bring
in an oxygen tank to assist thepatient.
An oxygen tank to assist thepatient.
Despite signs warning againstmetal in the MRI suite, Rajesh
walked in, cylinder in hand, asinstructed.
The machine's magnet pulled itfrom him instantly.

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He was crushed against thescanner and sustained fatal
injuries.
The hospital initially tried todistance itself, but eyewitness
accounts and CCTV footage madeit clear the staff had told him
it was safe.
Rajesh's family receivedcompensation, but no one could
give them back what was lost.

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So two deaths 17 years apart,both caused by the same
invisible force, apart, bothcaused by the same invisible
force.
So these horrific cases made melook up.
If there's such a thing asanything safer, a safer type of
MRI.
So let's break it down.
A regular MRI is the one mostof us are familiar with the
tunnel, the big tube, thehumming.

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It uses a strong magnetic field, typically 1.5 to 3 Tesla, and
gives high quality images.
But then there's the open MRI.
It's shaped more like a donutor two plates.
This is designed for comfortand is ideal for patients with
claustrophobia or those withlarger bodies.
But here's the catch Open MRIsusually use a lower magnet

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strength, often below 1 Tesla,so the images aren't as sharp
and some conditions can bemissed.
Now, is an open MRI safer?
Not really.
Both types still use powerfulmagnets.
Both are dangerous if safetyprotocols are ignored.
A metal object will fly just asfast in either room.

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So while open MRIs are morecomfortable, they're not immune
to the same deadly risks.
And when hospital staff cutcorners, that's where the real
danger lies.
So Michael and Rajesh's casesfall into the same deadly
category projectile injuries.
But that's not the only waypeople have died inside or

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because of MRI machines.
So let's walk through the fourmajor types.
Projectile injuries like we'veseen ferromagnetic objects
become deadly when introducedinto the MRI room Tanks, tools,
even stretchers.
If it's magnetic, the MRI willpull it.
Thermal burns is the next one.

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So the radiofrequency energyused in scans can heat up
metallic items.
So ECG leads, medicationpatches, piercings, even tattoos
.
If these create a conductiveloop, they can cause second or
third degree burns and in rarecases those burns can lead to
fatal infections.
Implant interference, somepacemakers, aneurysm clips and

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neurostimulators are not MRIcompatible, so exposure can
cause the device to move or fail.
For patients with hidden orundeclared devices, this has
resulted in fatal arrhythmias orinternal bleeding.
And the last category,contrast-related deaths.
And the last category,contrast-related deaths MRI

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contrast agents like gadoliniumare generally safe, but in rare
cases they can cause fatalallergic reactions or trigger
nephrogenic system fibrosis,which is a devastating condition
in patients with kidney disease.
Each category reflects adifferent point of failure
screening, communication,equipment choice or basic human
error.
In the next section we'll takea closer look at a couple of

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those Real stories, real deaths,all preventable.
So it's July 2025, which it isnow in Westbury, New York.
I was like I spoke about it,like it's the path, Well, maybe,
I mean this is going to comeout.
How many days are in July?

Speaker 2 (19:11):
31?
, uh, 31.
31.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Okay, this will still come out the squeaky end of
July.
So Adrienne Jones McAllisterlet's start that over.
Adrienne Jones McAllister waslying inside an MRI scanner at
NASA Open MRI, scheduled for ascan on her knee.
She asked the technician to gether husband, Keith McAllister,

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to help her off the table.
Keith entered the MRI roomwearing a 20-pound weight
training chain around his neck.
It was an accessory that hefrequently wore chain around his
neck.
It was an accessory that hefrequently wore.
The magnetic field yeah,apparently had something to do
with weight training I I've I'venever seen such a thing.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I'm like picturing a dog collar yeah what apparently
had something to do.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Weight training like I, I, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
so I mean no shade on way.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
I've never seen anything like that, so I was
like wait one would take a 20pound metal chain around
someone's neck, would draw someattention.
Am I right?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
I mean you know I would, I would think so.
It's not a small chain or likeor like, because obviously you
haven't gotten there butobviously the MRI machine's
gonna grab this poor chain.
How about the staff just say,like we'll help you off the
table and get you to Keith,exactly right, she's there for

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her knee.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
This is so tragic.
So the magnetic field didn'tcare about context.
It grabbed the chain withinvisible, unrelenting force.
God, this part gets me everytime.
Adrian says she called out tohim and within seconds the
machine pulled him forward.
The chain yanked him in and hestruck the mri scanner with a
terrible impact.
She screamed for someone toturn the machine off.

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Call 9-1-1 was too late.
They tried to pull him off itand they couldn't.
He waved goodbye to me, adriansaid later in an interview, I
know.
And then his whole body wentlimp.
Oh my God.
So I thought maybe he he diedfrom the impact.
But he actually died fromsuffering multiple heart attacks

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after being freed from themachine.
So he died the next day.
Oh, how tragic.
And you and you I mean justsenseless.
This wasn't a case of anunsupervised visitor sneaking in
.
A tech had summoned keith intothe room despite him visibly
wearing a massive chain, thesame kind of chain that in m MRI

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.
Safety training would be thefirst thing mentioned in a what
not to wear list.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, no kidding, I'm like picturing, like my
learning appointment orappointment, my learning thing
that you usually have to do atwork, you know, and it's like
click on the picture of, likeall the things that shouldn't be
in this room.
Man's 20 pound chain yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Oxygen tank.
Yeah, oh, my gosh.
Yeah.
So this case happened in anopen MRI suite.
So it debunks the myth thatopen MRIs are inherently safer,
because even a lower strengthmagnet doesn't mean lower stakes
they're still super, superstrong magnets, All right.
So the next type of issue isimplant interference.

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So let's talk about implants.
Roughly three million people inthe US alone have implanted
pacemakers.
Many more have cochlearimplants, spinal stimulators,
aneurysm clips or metalorthopedic hardware.
Not all of these are MRI safe,and some are only safe under
very specific conditions.
In one chilling case fromGermany in 2014, a 72-year-old

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man with a pacemaker entered anMRI suite.
Despite warnings, he wasscanned without proper
evaluation of his device.
Midway through the scan, hispacemaker began to malfunction.
The magnetic field causedelectrical interference that
triggered a fatal arrhythmia andhe died on the table.
In another case in the US, awoman with an older

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non-MRI-compatibleneurostimulator for chronic pain
underwent a brain scan.
The magnetic field caused herimplant leads to heat and shift
position.
She went into seizures andnever regained consciousness.
What's heartbreaking is thatthese deaths often come down to
communication breakdowns,outdated patient records, rushed

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intake processes or cliniciansunaware of the full risks.
And I couldn't talk aboutimplants without looking at
cochlear implants.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
So I was hoping you were going to, because we talk
about this all the time, right,like doing a yeah this is our
area, yes.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
So I found a study from the Journal of American
Medical Association in 2015,where they did a study, a
retrospective study in SouthKorea of 16 patients who
underwent with cochlear implantswho underwent MRI in a 1.5
Tesla scanner and two thatunderwent MRI in a 3.0 Tesla

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scanner.
12 brain MRIs were performedand 18 of those scans were
performed in areas outside thebrain.
Before we get into it, one ofthe things that we've learned
from our cochlear implanttraining is that you would think
like, oh well, if they're notlooking at something in the
brain, it's probably not a bigdeal.

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Actually, the torque, theactual force on a body part,
increases the farther away it isfrom the implant.
So someone who's going in forlike their foot is at a higher
risk because their implants intheir head and the amount of
force that can or torque thatcan be created in that situation

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is is much greater than if theyhad actually needed to scan of
something in their head or neck.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Because it's exactly the opposite of what you would
think.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Right, yeah.
So their main outcomes was thatwere that people experienced
discomfort and pain, adverseevents and auditory adverse
auditory performance after MRI.
So 13 out of the 18 patientscompleted their MRI scans, so 25
out of 30 scans.
The MRI company, so thecochlear implant companies,

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either tell you this iscompletely compatible because
it's a recent device that haslike a magnet that'll flip if
it's pulled on.
But some of the older devicesthey're like well, it's safe if
you wrap their head in a bandage, like it basically wrap their
head in an ACE bandage in acertain way.
And then others were like it'sonly safe if you go under the
skin and take the magnet out.

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So there's a magnet under theskin that holds on the external
speech processor.
And so some of the olderimplants, you would have to have
an ear, nose and throat surgeoncome in and pull out this
little magnet that's under theskin flap.
So it's not really brainsurgery but it's like removing
the magnet, which would be theproblem in the whole thing.
So just a little backgroundthere 13 out of 18 patients that

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completed them, five patientswith head bandages were unable
to complete their MRI scansbecause it was so painful and
one of those patientsexperienced magnet displacement,
so the part that is supposed tobe in a certain place so they
could connect their externalprocessor moved.
Another had to undergo surgeryfor magnet removal and

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reinsertion.
And finally, one patientexperienced polarity reversal of
the magnet.
So basically the MRI flippedthe magnet inside their head so
they could no longer wear theexternal speech processor.
And then on top of that thereare artifacts induced by the
internal magnet that compromisethe diagnosis of ipsilateral

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brain lesions.
Under 1.5 Tesla MRI, auditoryperformance in the cochlear
implant recipients who had majorevents was unaffected, so
that's good news.
Affected so that's good news.

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So even with the company'swarnings or claims that they
could use these protective headbandages, 1.5 Tesla MRI in
patients with cochlear implantsled to a variety of adverse
events, including discomfort,pain and displacement of the
internal magnet.
So what the article went on torecommend is that sedation and
careful head positioning may beappropriate for patients with
cochlear implants who undergoMRI.

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So just because they're sayingit's compatible doesn't mean
it's painful.
Not painful, you know.
And as people who work withthese patients like I, think
it's good for us to know thatthat's a consideration.
It could be painful us to knowthat that's a consideration.

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It could be painful.
So today many new devices arelabeled MRI conditional, but
that doesn't mean universallysafe.
It means that if certainguidelines are followed exactly
specific scanner strength, bodyposition, temperature limits it
might be okay.
But one missed detail could befatal.
And so, unlike a projectile,death, implant interference
leaves no dramatic impact, novisible object flying across the

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room, just silence, suddencollapse and cardiac arrest.
That's another reminder that inthe MRI suite invisible forces
are always at work, and so thelast type of issue here we're
going to talk about is contrastagents.

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So MRI contrast agents, likegadolinium-based compounds, are
widely used to enhance imagequality.
So they're generally consideredsafe, but there are exceptions.
In rare cases patients can havea severe allergic reaction to
these agents Anaphylaxis whichcan be fatal without prompt
treatment.
There's also a condition callednephrogenic systemic fibrosis,
or NSF, which primarily affectspatients with kidney failure.

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Nsf causes thickening andhardening of the skin and
internal organs and sometimesleads to death.
So NSF is linked to gadoliniumexposure during MRI scans in
patients with compromised kidneyfunction.
So because of these risks,patients are carefully screened
for kidney disease beforecontrast-enhanced MRIs, but

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still cases slip through thecracks.
Contrast-related deaths arerare, but a stark reminder that
no medical procedure is withoutrisk.
When we look at these tragiccases projectile injuries,
thermal burns, implantinterference, contrast reactions
a pattern emerges Most deathsaren't caused by the machines

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themselves, but by systemicfailures, failures in
communication, training,hospital policies.
So hospitals often rely onchecklists, but when they're
rushed or understaffed those canbe ignored or overlooked.
Patients sometimes aren'tproperly screened for metal
implants or allergy risks.
Staff may lack proper MRIsafety training or assume, well,

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it won't happen here.
And also technology.
I think we all feel this in allwalks of life that technology
keeps advancing, but safetyculture struggles to keep up.
So what can be done?
Well, hospitals need robust MRIsafety protocols enforced at
every level.
There needs to be continuousstaff education on the hazards

(30:45):
of MRI and clear signage andphysical barriers to prevent
unauthorized or casual access.
And, most importantly, aculture where safety isn't
optional, because in the MRIsuite the stakes are life and
death.
Every scan must be treated withrespect and caution for
patients and staff alike Wowzers.

(31:08):
I know, Sorry, that was a littledarker than I intended, but I
couldn't believe my eyes.
So I mean, if one person learnssomething like don't wear a
chain if they don't tell you notto into the MRI suite, yeah, or
even just like accomplished mygoal declaring something you
maybe wouldn't have thought ofbefore there are certain tattoos

(31:28):
, I think I briefly hit on it,but like there are tattoos that
have metallic injection, likenot in metallic but metallic
dyers and stuff, that apparentlycan be a problem too, so are
they asking?

Speaker 2 (31:45):
you imagine sitting in there and your tattoo starts
just feeling on fire and they'relike don't move.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
And you're like my fucking arms are exactly, but
also who wants to get in thereand have a burn, you know yeah,
no this, I've never had an mri,but this certainly feeds anxiety
before, yeah and I hope, I hopeI don't do that, but just more
like awareness of like yeah, forsure it is safe and it's super

(32:13):
important for diagnostics.
But like make sure you got allyour stuff off of you because
this is so simple.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
And make sure no one walks in an oxygen tank, please,
because I don't want it tosmash my freaking head.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
No, it's not funny, but it's so ridiculous yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
That's not funny, but oh my gosh, I was just like
picturing that guy flying acrossthe room into the machine with
the tank.
I'm stressed, that's so crazy,and like the fact that they're
always on even when it's notrunning yeah, I guess I never
thought of that either.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
You always think, oh, they're turning it on, but you
don't turn a magnet on.
It's always a magnet, you know.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah yeah, it's always.
Yeah, I know I never havethought of that either, and I
was thinking back to in graduateschool.
The psychology folks were thefloor above us and they had an
MRI machine where they didresearch and on the weekends,
where we go into practiceelectrophys, we would just
sometimes get the worstartifacts and we're like what

(33:19):
the hell?

Speaker 1 (33:19):
is going on in this building but it was definitely.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
We were like they must be running MRIs up there,
but no, they weren't runningMRIs, it's just a freaking
magnet.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
They were just still being magnets.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
They're magnets, magneting it was just a bad, bad
place for us to do ABRs yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Magnets Below the magnet Magnets can't stop
magneting, magneting.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Magnets love magneting, magneting.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Oh my gosh, that's crazy.
You guys are a floor below, sothat's crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
If anyone from WW is listening to this, move the
electrophys equipment, becausethe magnet's going to magnet.
Wait, we went to the sameschool.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Hold on, I'm like, was that Park?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Wait, you went to my alma mater.
No, it's a totally differentbuilding.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Okay, so it wasn't Park's hall, okay, no, it's a
totally different building.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Okay, so it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Parks Hall From when you were there.
Okay, no, it's a wholedifferent building.
Dr House and I are from thesame Fun fact.
On the water W-W-U, all the way, dab dab, dab dab West of
Washington.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
E-oo, love you, dab dab you.
Yeah, so beautiful there.
If you guys ever have a chance,go to Bellingham, washington,
or, as my mother says,bellingham, bellingham.
I like it, bellingham.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Guess what we're at now.
Guess where we are in ourlittle journey here we're at the
Chard, chard, no, oh, get, getit.
Crane, oh, man Okay so we'regonna.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
She did some rock and roll at the end there, a little
gravel.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
I put a little stank on it this time.
I know I'm getting it, get itgirl.
It's Monday, alright, so thisis where.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Monday, it's Monday, I Woo-hoo, all right, so this is
where Monday it's Monday, I'mMonday because now we've got
Tuesday Tomorrow is going to getcloser to the weekend, all
right.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
So the chart note segment is where we learn about
what's happening in medicine andhealth care.
So I was like, all right, Ipromised something lighthearted
and I did not deliver yet, andlet's do something really
uplifting.
So I searched around likewhat's new, who's who in the zoo
, what's happening in healthcare, and I found this company

(35:37):
called IntegratedMicroelectronics Inc.
And they they're.
I looked at their blog and theyposted their company's top 12
innovations to watch in 2025.
Posted their company's top 12innovations to watch in 2025.
Good news, alleycats.
I'm not going to read all 12.
, but I picked the top five thatare poised to make a
significant impact or continueevolving in exciting ways.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Is it their top five or you picked the most
intriguing to you top five?

Speaker 1 (36:03):
No, no, I picked their top five, but I find them
intriguing nonetheless.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
So I don't know why you were like 11, seven, three,
four.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
I mean, it wasn't that I didn't want to put the
time in, but I figured theseguys, you know, know what
they're proud, proudest of,basically, these are probably
they wouldn't promote them ifthey weren't performing well,
you know, or looking.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
And if you guys want to know the rest, she's going to
put the resources in the shownotes.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
But am I?

Speaker 2 (36:32):
no, yes, I will, I don't know I was like I don't
know, I think you are okay,number one eye tracking
technology to aid surgicalprocedures.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
So extreme, I love this extreme vision technology.
So this is just ripped rightoff their website.
I'm'm not making any of this up, this is verbatim, possibly
plagiarism, I don't know, butI'm giving them credit.
So extreme vision technology isadvancing healthcare through
innovative eye tracking systems,particularly in radiology and

(37:02):
surgery.
Researchers at the UniversityHealth Network have developed a
cost-effective gaze trackingsolution tailored for operating
rooms.
This technology captures gazedata and displays it on surgical
monitors, addressing systemintegration challenges.
Okay, I left this here becauseI don't know what the hell it
means.

(37:22):
So we have had.
Okay.
So in audiology, we use eyetracking technology to look at,
because the eyes are a windowinto the vestibular system and
so when we stimulate thevestibular system, that system
should tell the muscles aroundyour eyes what to do to correct
your gaze, so that things don'tslip off your focus and make you

(37:46):
feel dizzy.
So I don't know.
This stuff's been around.
But like are they tracking thesurgeon?

Speaker 2 (37:54):
because to me this sounds like I was a little
speechless at the end of thatparagraph because I was like, oh
okay, eye tracking cool.
Yeah, I know eye tracking.
And then I was like who thefuck are?

Speaker 1 (38:04):
yeah, I think we're tracking the surgeons to see how
distracted they are maybe likewhat are they looking at?
That we could save time.
Are we at that point where wehave to be?
I don't know.
So stay tuned, listeners,because to me that's crazy, but
maybe we can learn somethingabout what to aid surgical
procedures.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
What?

Speaker 1 (38:24):
I mean, do you have to tell the surgeon keep your
eye on the in the area you're?

Speaker 2 (38:29):
delving into.
I mean, I guess, like on gray'sanatomy, there's a lot of drama
.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
They're always fighting, so listen, don't worry
about what dreamy's doing inthe locker room.
You guys need it.
Focus, focus, focus on the yeah, yeah focus on the integrated
microelectronics.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
I need more information.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Thank you, so we'll keep an eye on that.
There is a apparently a freshtreatment for schizophrenia, so
the us fda recently approvedcoban oh god, I'm gonna say this
wrong coban fee, coban phi,c-o-b-e-n-f-y.
One of those fun made likecoban, coban fee, a new product

(39:10):
introduction into the field ofpsychiatry.
Unlike dopamine targetingmedications, coben Fee addresses
schizophrenia symptoms withfewer side effects.
I mean, who doesn't want fewerside effects?

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Well, yeah, we love fewer side effects.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
So there were some adverse reactions like nausea
and dizziness, but furtherresearch is being done on its
long-term efficacy.
So I mean, I think anytime weget a psychiatric drug that can
address something as significantas schizophrenia I mean without
the symptoms, because I think alot of times people aren't able

(39:47):
to tolerate some of theirsymptoms, and yet schizophrenia
is, you know, not easily livedwith.
So so that's good.
And then number three anon-intrusive miRNA based
platform to lower stillbirthrates.
So imperial college researchersin london have created an

(40:09):
innovative testing solution toaddress the risks of small for
gestational age babies,particularly in premature births
.
So, using maternal bloodsamples, their platform detects
micro RNA biomarkers linked toSGA risks early.
So this is a cost effectivemethod that integrates
seamlessly into routinepregnancy screenings.

(40:29):
And I like that because youtalked about I think it was last
, last week, right About some ofthe biomarkers and things that
we can learn from menstrualblood.
So I like, I like this is justtaking another, another way,
another assay of informationthat we can use to help prevent

(40:52):
or understand.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I only chuckled because it was just last week
where I was like assay, Assay,and you're just like it's so
naturally in your regular life,Like it's just another assay.
Listen, I was trying to figureout how to drop ass in a
conversation.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
I was like I can say asinine or assay.
So there you go.
Number four tailored medicine.
Hyper-personalized medicineallows tailoring treatments
based on a patient's geneticmakeup, lifestyle and
environment.
So there's lab testing, such asgenetic analysis, that helps
doctors prescribe medicationsthat minimize side effects and
enhance effectiveness.

(41:27):
Who doesn't want that?
So advancements library crisper, a precise gene editing
technology which fun fact.
My son had had access tocrisper for one of his projects
at school where he decided toredefine caterpillar's dna and
grow something else.
I mean this is crazy stuff.

(41:48):
So this allows.
I mean it has nothing to dowith this medicine, but CRISPR
gene editing will allow targetedDNA modifications to correct
genetic disorders.
And how you feel about thatmight be up in the air, because
there's a lot behind this, butwhat's nice about it is that if
you use it in wearable medicalelectronics, you can enable

(42:09):
real-time health monitoring.
So so that's good.
And number five a breath-basedhuman machine interface for
communication.
Researchers at case westernreserve university have a
low-cost, non-invasive humanmachine interface that uses
breath patterns forcommunication.
We we all love goodcommunication.

(42:31):
We're into communicationdisorders.
So, unlike costly and invasivealternatives like brain computer
interfaces and eye gazetrackers, this solution offers a
simple way to assist those withdisabilities in performing
daily tasks.
That's my favorite.
I would put that number one,wouldn't you?
That's my favorite.
I would put that number one,wouldn't you?
So if you can communicate usingdifferent breath patterns, like

(42:55):
a quadriplegic or somethingthat's amazing, I would love
that.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I would put that as number one as well, and then the
baby testing at number three,and I'm not going to go through
the rest, but I think eyetracking they should have
written more on the paragraph.
I still don't know what'shappening.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Sorry, allie Katz, I didn't do any research.
I just pulled it right off thething because I was looking for
something positive and I hadanother case to do because we're
going to talk about Dr Liv.
We're going to talk about DrLiv, so would you like to talk

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Thank you, amanda, and now You're welcome.
In a strange turn of events,our medical mishap is actually
our little bonus case here.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Okay, I was like wait a second.
She hid Dr Love from me.
It says medical mishap, I mean.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
I'm just shaking it up here, girl.
Listen, I don't know if it'sthe corn sweats that's out in
minnesota this week or what, but, like I don't know, the heat's
got my brain.
We gotta, we gotta, mix it upsame, same same.
So this is a light-hearted caserecommended by a listener who
prefers to remain anonymous.
So thank you for therecommendation.

(45:11):
Unknown, thank you.
Unknown.
Thank you, because even in theworld of health care or crime,
sometimes the story is justhilarious.
So let's meet malachi loverobinson, or, as he preferred to
be known, dr love, in.
In 2016, malachi was arrested inwest palm beach, florida, after

(45:32):
opening up his very own medicalclinic at just 18 years of age.
Yeah, you heard that 18.
No medical license, no degree,not even a biology class at
community college.
But he did have a white coat, astethoscope and an impressively
straight baby face.
Listen, you guys will post apicture of this, this cute

(45:53):
little baby faced boy.
But he is.
I don't know how he got awaywith this stuff, because he is.
He's got such a baby face Ican't even describe it any other
way.
Anyway, he called his operationthe new birth, new birth, new
life, medical center and urgentcare.
Fancy name, right?
Patients thought so.
Some of them were seen forminor ailments and others were

(46:16):
prescribed holistic treatments,and one even got a physical exam
.
But here's where it gets weirder.
This wasn't Malachi's firstrodeo.
What Are you kidding me?
He's only 18.
Oh, ellie Katz, he'd beencaught impersonating doctors
before.
At age 17 he was bustedwandering the halls of a real

(46:36):
hospital dressed like aphysician and introducing
himself as a doctor ofnaturopathy.
When this guy cracks me up.
When security stopped him, heexplained very politely that he
just had a passion for helpingpeople, a passion and apparently
a very convincing bedsidemanner.
So who is this shyster?

(46:58):
Well, his name is MatthewScheit Jr.
I love that his true name isScheit.
I mean, it's telling rightthere.
That's not nice, but whenMatthew was in grade school
school, he told his classmatesthat his father was a police
officer and his mother was anurse.
He told them he lived in alovely house with a manicured

(47:18):
lawn, and none of this was true.
Sadly, in reality, matthew'sparents divorced when he was
five years old and he lived in aflorida trailer park where he
watched his mother get arrestedfor possession of crystal meth.
I am sad.
You can feel sad for the boy.
I mean this is not great.
Matthew Scheidt was forced togrow up too quickly.

(47:41):
At the age of 12, heparticipated in the Osceola
County Sheriff's OfficeVolunteer Explorer Program,
which teaches the basics of lawenforcement to future law
enforcement officers.
At the same time, hevolunteered at a Florida
hospital because he also had aninterest in medicine.
Enter sense of foreshadowinghere.
Yeah, a pathological liar.

(48:04):
Matthew lied about his age toget into both of these programs.
At age 17, matthew was livingon his own.
He was taking high schoolclasses online and working a
part-time summer job as a fileclerk at a surgical company in
Kissimmee.
One of his job duties there wasto run documents back and forth
between the Osceola RegionalMedical Center across the street

(48:24):
.
On one of these occasions, inAugust 2011, matthew approached
the hospital's human resourcesdepartment.
He told them that he was a 23year old.
Okay, he's 17.
He told that with a baby face.
He told them he was a 23 yearold physician assistant student
at Nova Southeastern University.
He claimed that he was assignedto Dr Ramirez and needed an ID

(48:48):
badge to grant him access to theemergency room.
Right, so the HR employee justtook Matthew's word for it.
She printed the requestedcredentials instantly.
Right then and there.
Matthew then bought some appsfor his phone and some books to
learn medical technology For thenext two weeks.
He began donning scrubs, a pagerand a stethoscope.

(49:09):
He wandered the halls of theosceola regional medical
center's emergency room.
He interviewed patients,conducted physical exams, access
confidential medical records.
Sometimes he was even asked tohelp restrain unruly patients or
hold the hand of a childreceiving stitches.

(49:29):
He became bolder.
He tried to use his OsceolaRegional badge to enter a
different medical center but wasturned away.
So he kept pestering HR atOsceola Regional to give him
access to the restricted part ofthe hospital.
Finally, a red flag was raised.
Someone double-checked hisqualifications and discovered
that there were none, so theyhappily called the police.

(49:53):
On September 2, 2011, matthewwas arrested and interrogated
for three hours.
He was defiant.
Initially he blamed the HRstaff for entering the
physician's assistantdesignation into the computer
system in error.
We had a victim blame dude.
I know.
Quote.
He says I just want to find outwho did this and report it to

(50:15):
the system and then have whoeverdid this fired, because
apparently they were there toignore it in order to maintain
that position.
End quote.
Matthew told the detective Quotethis is my future.
This is everything.
I no longer have a job.
I no longer work for thesheriff's office.
Those are the only two things Iever wanted in life.
End quote.

(50:35):
Matthew was referring to histime in the volunteer explorer
program when he was 12.
He no longer worked at thesheriff's office because he had
been caught repeatedly wearinghis badge and bulletproof vest
in public, pretending to be areal deputy.
Oh my gosh, that's just remindsme.
Uh, for our any office fans outthere.

(50:58):
Dwight shrewt when he was givensecurity accent.
He was gonna be senior securityofficer, which was like this
fake designation, and he took itway too seriously.
Anyway, matthew went on to saythat he never claimed to be a pa
or an md or anything like thatnot once at all.
Eventually, during theinterrogation, matthew admits to

(51:19):
making a mistake.
Quote I messed up.
End quote.
He told the detective I justwanted to learn as much as I
possibly could for the longesttime that I could, basically
before I got caught.
End quote.
Regarding an incident in whichhe performed CPR, matthew stated
he only performed CPR for aminute or two while a doctor

(51:40):
retrieved the necessarymedications.
Quote I swear to God, I did notdo nothing.
End quote First of all, matt,you did not have correct grammar
, and that Allie Katz.
If anyone knows me, they know Iconsider that a federal offense
and by the way I do thatpatient ended up dying.
So that's not funny, that'sterribly tragic.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Probably because they weren't getting CPR correctly
for one to two minutes.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
This doesn't mean that bystanders shouldn't
complete CPR, but these doctorsthought there was another doctor
providing this care.
You know what I mean.
Like it was a different level.
It wasn't like a member of thepublic.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
So you know, if that had been the case, Well and even
like if a regular member of thepublic is there to do that.
Typically they call 911 at thesame time and the dispatcher is
telling them what to do.
That Typically they call 911 atthe same time and the
dispatcher is telling them whatto do.
They're not just willy-nilly,like I saw this on TV pump the
hands up and down.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
It's like what?
For sure, for sure.
That's a good point.
At the end of the interrogation, matthew wrote an apology
letter to the Osceola RegionalMedical Center.
He apologized and said, quoteI've learned to mature.
I'm so sorry and owe yourhospital the biggest apology
Period.
End quote.
The Osceola Regional MedicalCenter released a statement of

(52:57):
its own.
Quote patients, this is calleda CYA statement.
Basically, cover your ass.
We love a CYA from my hospital.
Yes, we will continue ourreview of hospital practices to
ensure that this will not occuragain.
End quote.
Somebody's in trouble.
Thanks, guys.
On october 6, 2011, matthew wasformally charged as an adult

(53:21):
with two counts of impersonatinga physician's assist assistant
and four counts of practicingmedicine without a license.
He pleaded not guilty.
His trial was set for thefollowing year.
So meanwhile, on september 2nd2011, matthew was cruising
around south beach in itsrecently purchased white crown,
victoria, which we all knowwhich I'm like.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
How did you even have any money?
You were a fake person workingat the fake hospital.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Like you, did not get a paycheck right I did no, no,
no, no, no, you just barged thisway in there.
But also a white crown fakeperson working at the fake
hospital.
Like you did not get a paycheckRight, I didn't.
No, no, no, no, no, you justbarged this way in there.
But also white crown Victorialooks like it's a police car,
you know.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, oh yeah, I know God, I didn't even think about
that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
So he had a laptop mounted to the dashboard and
take down lights on his sidemirror, while at a stoplight
this is matthew.
So he's in this fake, fake copcar at a stoplight.
He motioned the car next to himhey, buddy, put your seat belt
on, why?
The other motorist asked areyou a cop?
Yeah, I am, he responded.
So am I?

(54:31):
The motorist replied I amundercover.
Why don't you just pull over tothe side there?

Speaker 2 (54:38):
matthew why?

Speaker 1 (54:42):
oh, oopsies.
What are the odds, though Imean seriously.
So then they searched his carand, and inside his car the cops
found a handgun under the seat,a taser, handcuffs and t-shirts
that said, t-shirts that he hadprinted that said Deputy on
them.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Oh, matthew, oh bless , got my deputy shirt all washed
up for duty.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
He was just a little kid.
There was also a badge that hekept from the volunteer explorer
program it's like.
It's like when you, you knowyour local, uh, fireman from
your local fire department comesto talk to your elementary
school and you get like a juniorfire fighter.
Yes sticker, oh my god, uh.

(55:29):
So he had the badge that hekept from his volunteer explorer
program when he was 12.
And a non-functioning policeradio that had been marked as
stolen.
Oh my gosh, ooh, wah, wah, wah.
Matthew was kept in jail untilhis trial, which started in late
August 2012.
His defense team blamed thehospital administrators for

(55:52):
letting it happen.
The prosecution said that whathappened was no mistake.
Matthew's actions were bold andcalculated and, as a result, as
many as 450 patients wereexposed to the risk of being
cared for by a teenage fake pa.
So if he was, if he wasn'tintentional about it, why go to

(56:15):
the ER at night when he knew theadmin staff weren't there?
Why wear scrubs, the lab coat,why drape a stethoscope across
your neck as if you know what todo with it?
It was obviously not a mistake.
So, on August 30th 2012,matthew was convicted of three
counts of impersonation and twocounts of practicing medicine
without a mistake.
So, on August 30th 2012,matthew was convicted of three
counts of impersonation and twocounts of practicing medicine
without a license.
One of the charges was droppedbecause there wasn't enough

(56:37):
evidence to prove that he hadremoved an IV from a patient.
Oh my God, matthew reportedlywept.
Oh, you're a baby.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
Because you did your baby.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
It's because he's a baby.
Matthew reportedly wept as thejury read the verdict.
He was facing up to 25 years inprison, but on November 14th
2012, he was only sentenced toone year of jail time, with a
year of house arrest, eightyears of probation and some much
needed mental health counseling.
Eight years of probation andsome much needed mental health

(57:14):
counseling.
It seems that the judge in thecase cut Matthew some slack
because he was quote too youngto appreciate the consequences
of the offense.
End quote.
Three years later, matthew toldthe news program 2020 that he
still regrets that time in hislife.
Quote if I could go back andchange that day that I went back
and asked for that ID, ofcourse I would change that.
I cannot get a house on my own.

(57:34):
I cannot go to school, like Icannot go to college or
university.
I am a convicted felon for therest of my life.
I am 21 years old now.
I am an adult.
I know where my mind is.
At End quote, he said Quotenothing like that will ever
happen again.
I can promise that.
End quote.
He said Quote nothing like thatwill ever happen again.
I can promise that.
End quote.
To quote to go back to theOffice, to quote Dwight Schrute

(57:58):
from the indisputably fantasticseries the Office, which I just
said Quote if onlys and justswere candies and nuts, then
every day would be ontodonk fest.
That's an Easter egg for officefans.
Anyway, on January 13th 2015, apregnant patient at St Mary's

(58:20):
Medical Center in West PalmBeach, florida, felt like
something was off about thedoctor in her exam room.
He looked the part with hisstethoscope face mask lab coat,
but he appeared to be a child,she said she's like um, I'm
about to have a child, are you achild?
dude, get this child out of here.
I'm about to have one.
I need someone who knows whatthey're doing.

(58:42):
So the patient asked otherhospital staff about him and
hospital staff didn't know whohe was either, but they had seen
him wandering around thebuilding for a month, roaming
the halls and entering patients'rooms.
Finally, an OBGYN named DrSebastian Kent said the boy had
left him a note claiming to bean anesthesiologist on his desk

(59:04):
and asked to job shadow Dr Kent.
Dr Kent told Fox 13 News that hethought, geez, that must be
getting really old, becausethese young doctors look younger
every year and honestly, same.
I mean I feel that way aboutour new graduates from audiology
programs every year.
Dr Kent goes on to say he triedto ingratiate himself with me

(59:25):
so I would take him around, andafter a while it started to not
make sense to me.
End quote.
Eventually Dr Kent shared hissuspicions with security, and
security frog marched the boyoff the premise off the premises
and called the police.
Police interviewed the kid andsearched his car and they found
an additional lab coat hangingin the backseat with an

(59:46):
inscription that read Dr Malachia love Robinson.
So the so-called Malachi toldpolice he was 17 years old that
he had been a doctor for years.
Malachi said his mother wouldvouch for him and she was en
route to the scene.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
I was like, oh yeah, from jail.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
You can only catch her during visiting hours.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Mama oh, I pretended to be a doctor, can you bail me
out of this one again?
And she said no, no, no, no.
She said her son had a mentalillness and refused to take his
medication.
Malachi was like oh, that'sirrelevant.
And refused to take hismedication.

(01:00:30):
Malachi was like oh, that'sirrelevant.
So this was all a simplemisunderstanding that was blown
out of proportion.
According to him, he said hehadn't treated any patients.
He was simply shadowingphysicians to learn as much as
he could.
St Mary's Medical Center agreedwith Malachi I mean, they had
to CYA everyone.
They released a statement thatread quote the individual I

(01:00:53):
can't even stomach naming him,they're like this dude never had
contact with any hospitalpatients and did not gain access
to patient care areas of thehospital at any time.
The hospital immediatelynotified local authorities, who
took the individual into custody.
We are cooperating with theirongoing investigation.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
End quote I mean, he's been around here for one
month, but after someone saidsomething finally, then yeah, we
did yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Well, he roamed around, but he didn't actually
provide patient care.
How okay, all right.
So of course, you know they hadto boost up their story, so
they declined to press chargesand the police determined that
no crime had been committed as aresult.
So neither malachi loverobinson's name or age was

(01:01:39):
released to the public, justlike it had not been released
when he pulled a similar stintthe year before.
In january 2014, 16 16 yearoldMalachi entered an education
services center flaunting a PhDdegree and seeking employment as
a medical instructor.
I'm sorry, you guys definitelyneed to take a peek at this dude

(01:02:01):
.
I don't know how anyone couldlook at baby face and think this
16-year-old who probably at thetime at 21, he looks like a
baby At 16, he must have looked5.
I don't know, I don't know howanyone he must be a charmer for
sure.
But anyway, he tried to do thesame thing at multiple high

(01:02:21):
schools in the area beforesomeone finally called the cops.
The report stated that severalhigh schools informed the school
police that the student hadvisited each school and
attempted to integrate himselfwith the medical academy as an
instructor or teacher.
The report says when schoolofficials questioned him, he
replied that he really wasn't amedical doctor, but they

(01:02:43):
believed he was a compulsiveliar and may have a medical
condition.
You think, yeah, couldn't havesaid it better myself, but
Malachi Love Robinson alwayswanted to be a doctor.
He wasn't about to let a fewrules and regulations or
education stand in his way, andabout eight months after being
turfed out of St Mary's, itbecame clear to him that he

(01:03:04):
needed to make a move.
So the Florida Department ofHealth received a package from
an anonymous source thatincluded a letter and other
documents regarding Malachi LoveRobinson.
The letter stated that the now18-year-old had been
impersonating a medical doctor,a naturopathic doctor and a
psychologist.
The letter was dated September16, 2015, and it began by

(01:03:25):
stating this information shouldbe considered high priority, and
it continued to describe howMalachi claimed to have acquired
three degrees by the age of 18.
The letter writer wrote pleaseintervene and stated that
Malachi is a very skilled conman, and the writer signed the
letter from a concerned citizen.
The package also containedprintouts of websites like

(01:03:47):
healthgradescom, a doctor reviewplatform, on which malachi hada
profile with him with his titlelisted as md.
It stated that he was 25 yearsold and had a five star rating.
On the same page there was aself-written bio section.
It read hello, I am dr malachilove robinson.
I am a well-roundedprofessional professional was

(01:04:10):
misspelled, by the way, which weall know how I feel about that
that treats and cares forpatients using a system practice
that bases treatment onphysiological, psychological,
mechanical methods like air,water, light, heat, earth,
phototherapy, food, aromatherapy, psychotherapy, electrotherapy,
physiotherapy, minor and orfacial surgery, surgery, the
chemical therapy, naturopathiccorrections and manipulation,

(01:04:33):
and natural methods andmodalities, together with
natural medicines and naturalprocessed food and herbs and
dying I'm dying.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Anything you want, I got it on over.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
I can't even read that without you know, taking 10
breaths.
By the way, it didn't list anyschools under his name.
Hmm, Shocker.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
And I think at all those schools he would have
learned to break down a sentence.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
I know Run on and on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
And and, and, and, and and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Listen, you've taken that Oxford comma to the next
degree.
So his bio, like we said,didn't read any schools, because
he said well, they were to befound in the Florida Department
of Health License VerificationDatabase.
And the letter went on to sayhe's truly a danger to the
general public.
A danger to the general public.

(01:05:33):
Meanwhile, malachi had beenlaid off shocker from his most
recent role as program directorat a rehab facility.
Around the same time the letterwas sent, he'd been promoted in
under three months.
I mean, honestly, this guy mustbe a super charm, super charmer.
He routinely met with patientsat New Directions Treatment
Center, which was an intensiveoutpatient program for drug and
alcohol addiction.
When state health investigatorsfollowed up on the letter and

(01:05:57):
questioned Malachi about hisduties at New Directions, he
told them that he would counselthe patients, listen to them,
pray with them and advise themedical doctors and staff that
if the patient's medicationneeded adjustments, what they
should do to remedy that.
So he's not even hiding thefact that he's definitely
outside his scope.
He shouldn't be counselingpeople in this sort of dangerous

(01:06:20):
and tenuous condition that needactual professional help.
But he's also talking abouttheir meds.
I mean, love Robinson admittedthat he never attempted medical
school and is not a licensedmedical doctor.
The report stated Love Robinsonsaid he considers himself a
medical doctor and has peoplerefer to him as a medical doctor
.
His PhD, he told investigators,came from Universal Life Church

(01:06:43):
, an online Christian school.
Yeah, great.
Universal Life Church Seminaryis one of the websites where
people anywhere can get ordainedinstantly, and they offer other
products like doctorates anddivinity, which is an honorary
degree for those who havedemonstrated an outstanding
commitment to ministry andtheology.
All for the low, low price of$29.95.

(01:07:06):
No curriculum, no exams, justpay the money.
Ulife will send you an officiallooking diploma in which your
name is printed along with theprefixes and suffixes of your
choice.
At the time, the website statedyou will be legally entitled to
use the title doctor in frontof your name and DD after your
name.
And that is what 18 year oldmale Malachi I don't know why I

(01:07:30):
had to say male Malachi LoveRobinson did, and that's why New
Directions hired him.
They thought he had a PhD.
Additionally, he lied about hisage and provided an additional
diploma from Arizona StateUniversity that claimed he held
a doctorate in psychology Acredential he would later admit
was fraudulent no-transcript.

(01:07:58):
Dr Sassetti was the owner of NewDirections.
She was the person who hiredLove Robinson for $70,000 annual
salary.
When he came to us, he said hewas 28 and that he was sick for
10 years in France and that whenhe came to the United States,
they made a mistake and put hisdate of arrival on the birth
certificate instead of his dateof birth.
I mean, we laugh now becausehindsight's you know, 2020, but

(01:08:26):
it's outlandish.
I mean, the guy has brasscojones.
The state ordered Malachi tocease and desist from practicing
medicine and issued a citationof $1,253 for the three months
that he worked at the rehabfacility.
The three months that he workedat the rehab facility, okay,
back to 2016.

(01:08:47):
Dr Love got cocky In January2016,.
Facebook friends of Malachiwere sent an invitation to the
grand opening of New Birth, newLife Alternative Medicine and
Urgent Care Clinic.
The new clinic offered familyplanning and holistic healing.
Guess what?
It was owned by Dr Malachi LoveRobinson.
The event page listed theaddress and location of the
clinic, including his name, andused the designations MD, phd,

(01:09:09):
psyd, hhpc and AM-C.
I'm not sure what the last twoletters mean but dang, that's
some alphabet soup yeah letterchaser.
To make matters worse, drMalachi Love Robinson actually
had a legitimate NPI number forwhich, if AlleyCats don't know,

(01:09:30):
I know it's a national provideridentifier.
I don't know it's the number aprovider needs in order to
accept government payments fromlike Medicaid and Medicare.
How he got it, no one knowswhat the heck I mean.
That's scary to me that hecould do that.
A local news station, abcaffiliate, wpbf, was tipped off
about the grand opening andshowed up unannounced with a

(01:09:52):
camera.
The anchor, terry parker, saidthat malachi took off his lab
coat and stethoscope when he sawthe news crew approaching, and
this is where I'm going to tryto give us a little sound bite
so that you can hear foryourselves how that interview
went.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
George Malachi loved Robinson, the teen arched out of
his Florida clinic in handcuffs.
Malachi, they say you've beenpracticing medicine without a
license, sitting down with ABCNews overnight, released from
jail early Wednesday morning ona $21,000 bail after being
busted in a sting operation inWest Palm Beach, caught
allegedly giving a medical examto an undercover officer.

(01:10:36):
Are you a doctor of anything?
Anything at all.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
I do currently hold a PhD in what I don't feel
comfortable disclosing, becausethat is not the issue here.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
The issue that I face now is accusations, the
18-year-old indeed facingserious accusations from police
Seven including grand theft andallegedly practicing medicine
without a license.
And last month he proudlyshowed off his medical center to
our ABC affiliate, wpbf.
This is the new birth and lifemedical center, but peel back

(01:11:08):
the tape and the sign on thedoor answers his name and these
two crucial letters MD.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
That sign on the door was actually due to be changed.
There are many types of degreesout there that hold the title
as doctor, whether they are aphysicist or an engineer.
Just because someone has thetitle doctor in front of their
name does not necessarily implyMD.
Have you had training?
I have.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
I have shadowed many doctors, you're saying your
training comprises shadowingother doctors real doctors,
that's your training in medicine.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
Your training comprises of a lot of things,
but you weren't in med school,exactly so I'm not portraying as
an MD.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
I've never said that I've gone to school to be MD,
but the team who goes by Dr Lovedoes advertise an array of
treatments on his medical centerwebsite, including phototherapy
, food and air therapy andnatural medicine.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
I have been studying this particular field for a
while.
May not have been eight years,nine years, ten years, but it
has been long enough to, I wouldsay, justify what.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
I do, Including apparently treating the elderly
In a criminal complaint.
An 86-year-old woman said herecently treated her for severe
stomach pain, paying him nearly$3,500.
What services did you providein exchange for that money?
I?

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
can tell you this Accusations are merely
accusations and services.
You have to define that.
Whether she paid for me to justshow up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
That's up to her.
You're not denying the factthat she paid you $3,500 or so,
correct?
No, I am denying that.
Are you a fraud?
Because it seems likeeverything you're saying to me
is either evasive or an outrightlie.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
I don't appreciate your tone.
I don't appreciate the wayyou're portraying this interview
to actually be.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
And then a moment we didn't expect.
Are you in big trouble?
I mean, it seems like you'vespoken to a lawyer who's
prepared you for to talk notonly to the media but the police
, as well, I don't know whereyou're receiving this
information from, but it isinaccurate.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
I'm sorry, I'm going to have to cut this interview
short.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
I'm going to have to cut this interview short and in
fact he did, walking out thedoor.
Now we have a standing offer toMalachi to finish that
interview.
The teen has not yet beenarraigned but insisted
throughout the interview he hasdone nothing wrong.
He has also said that when allthis clears up, he intends to
open another clinic.
Amy George, matt, we alwaysappreciate your time, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Oh, my God Shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Did that come through ?
Okay, could you hear it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Yeah, I could hear it .

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Okay, I did a separate recording of it, so I
can insert that if this doesn'twork.
But okay, let me get back to myscript here.
Okay, so it's just.
Wow, wait, I just had to sharethat okay.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Well, I mean, that can be defined differently by
different people.
I'm like what?

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Okay, well, spoiler alert, he was sentenced to over
three years in prison, but then,in 2022, he was arrested again
for fraud and identity theftafter applying for loans during
the pandemic the pandemic.
So he's still under legalproceedings and is awaiting

(01:14:45):
further developments, because drlove can't just stop loving.
Doctor.
In the truth, you see, what Idid, there.
Yeah, I see what you did therethat's a wrap, oh my gosh, what,
what?

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Let's do this.
Malachi, matthew, I don't evenremember what your name is now,
wasn't?

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
it Matthew, matthew Scheidt, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Matthew Scheidt.
Matthew Scheidt, littlefrickin' Scheidt.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Yeah, you little Scheidt.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Oh my gosh, I have no words, he's wild.
Yeah, he's wild, he's wildingout.
I have no words, he's wild,he's wild, he's wilding out.
Look out Florida, if he's stillin Florida.
I love the police car situationtoo, where he's like, yeah, I'm
a cop, put your seatbelt on.
And he's like, yeah, buddy, Iam a cop.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
I was like why is the cop not?

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
wearing his seatbelt.
But okay, I guess, I guess,yeah, good point.
Because I was thinking like,well, this is just trying to
have people be safe.
And then I was like, wait asecond, now that you say that,
yeah, why wasn't the policeofficer wearing his damn
seatbelt?
Why?
Oh, because you can speed, butI can't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
You don't have to wear your seatbelt, but I'll
have to if he wasn't such achucklehead, I would have, you
know, been a little upset aboutthat, but like this, guy
deserved more than what came tohim he was given many chances
and he's just yeah, I'm alsolike wow, just wants that white

(01:16:13):
coat without doing the work.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Things are really willy-nilly in 2011a because any
hospital I've ever worked at,it is hard as fuck to get a
badge when you are an employeethere.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Yeah, oh, I mean I've been cut off of elevators
because, like you, don't get togo to the or.
But I have a case.
Well, I don't know, I'm gonnahave to go get a new photograph.
It's been five hot years.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
You may have a few more crow's feet that we don't
know and like, speaking ofcrow's feet, I'm like I have had
patients so many times be likeare you old enough to be my
doctor?
Are you old enough to do this?
And it's like hello.
When I didn't have botox onboard, girlfriends got some like

(01:16:58):
wrinkles and I'm like this guylooks like a literal baby.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Yeah they were asking me.
I got gray hair and wrinkles.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
They're like are you old enough?

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
and then his baby face is opening his own clinic
and people are like I'll go hereI mean honestly, he looks like
he just spat out his pacifier inorder to make these statements.
I mean, it's so such a babyface.
So I can't wait for listenersto take a peek at his little
mugshot.
But yeah, so hopefully thatprovided a little
lightheartedness and I'm sorrywe went over probably about 20

(01:17:31):
minutes.
Hopefully it was worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
It was worth it.
That was good, thank you forsharing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Yeah, so what can our listeners expect to hear next
week, amanda?

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
excuse me, oh my god, it's almost eight o'clock.
It's almost eight o'clock it'syour bedtime I did not know that
.
Oh my god, okay, well, I I'm.
I'm planning to do the casethat I was planning to do last
week still, yay, so we'll bringyou that.
But life has been life in thisweek and I honestly have not
gotten any further on my books.

(01:18:06):
So it will either be that caseor it'll be a surprise to all of
us, something I haven't chosenyet.
So stay tuned.
Sometimes those are the best.
I can't wait.
Yeah, so yeah, until then,don't miss a beat.
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(01:18:28):
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And still and still until.
Stay safe.
I can't read anymore.
I film at 8 o'clock.
Stay safe and stay suspicious.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Good night.
I'm not even counting downanymore, I'm just going to stop
by the time I find my mouse.

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