August 27, 2025 • 72 mins
Stephen Matthews appeared to be the perfect catch on dating apps - successful doctor, dog owner, outdoor enthusiast. But behind this carefully crafted image lurked a calculated predator who drugged and assaulted multiple women after gaining their trust. The hosts dive deep into this disturbing case where Matthews used his medical credentials as a shield, with one victim stating plainly: "The only reason I felt safe going on a date with him was because he was a doctor."
Resources:
https://www.burgsimpson.com/firm-news/dr-stephen-matthews-colorado-sexual-assault/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j-bkVuz_jA
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Was it hard.
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You were preparing all the time.
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Since this is now like goinginto my second year, I knew like
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I mean, you know me, I'm kindof type A about how I have
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, there's a high school and acollege near where I leave,
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(03:08):
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Give me a little shiver, alittle shiver of happiness.
Yeah, I just like feel like sucha happy person, like I feel
complete with this weather andit's still cheerful, it's still
sunny, it's just crisp and youcan get out your sweaters.
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Yes, yeah, ready to go.
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much better for everybody, andsomeone like me who uses the
heat as an excuse not toexercise, is actually inspired
to go outside and exercise.
So let's hope it Get it, girl.
Let's hope that continues.
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because then we ain't going outbecause we can't slip.
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That's right.
There's always excuses, butthere's like a window of
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I think I have no excuses forat least a week or two.
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remembered, because I didn't, ithad been too long.
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to put together a very detailedstory Like this is so-and-so
and this is their background.
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And then you know what I mean, yeah, but important
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The more that I read about it, I was like I have to
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(10:40):
short story without it beinglong.
So here we are.
So trigger warnings for thisepisode are sexual assault and
rape.
Yeah, so it's not good.
So there's no time like thepresent to just jump right in.
All right, oh, okay, here we go.
(11:01):
In her early, early 30s, alliewas living a fulfilled life with
a great career, but one thingwas missing Love.
She took to the dating appHinge and connected with a
cardiologist, stephen Matthews.
The two seemed to hit it off,having a lot in common.
She liked that he was a doctor,that he had a dog and that he
was outdoorsy.
She too had a dog, liked hikingand also worked in the
(11:25):
healthcare field.
Allie was excited for theirdate, but little did she know
that the date would turn out tobe quote the scariest day of my
life and the only time I thoughtI might die.
End.
Quote.
The two met at a bar for a drink.
Things were going well andafter some time had passed, he
suggested that they walk to hisplace, which was nearby, so that
(11:47):
he could let his dog out.
Having a dog herself, sheagreed and they began walking.
She used the restroom at hishouse while he let out the dog
and when she returned to thekitchen she had found that he
made them both drinks and, notwanting to offend him, she took
the drink.
Oh no, after two to three sipsshe suddenly began to feel ill,
(12:09):
her speech was slurring and shebegan to lose motor control.
She recalled, quote he put onearm around my neck and shoulders
to hold me and one arm on topof my head and began to kiss me.
I knew that my ability tocontrol my body was quickly
disappearing and that if I didnot leave within minutes.
How scary, oh my God.
I can't imagine.
I know, and her having abackground in the medical field,
(12:40):
like having that forethought oflike this is what's going to
happen to me.
I must exit.
Oh.
So she says that she remembersfalling and seeing him.
Quote about to film her beforeputting her in a headlock and
forcibly kissing her more.
(13:01):
Desperate to stay conscious,she got loose and fled barefoot
from his home in West Denver,leaving behind her purse, jacket
and shoes, and called for aride, bless her heart.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I mean, oh my God, if you have to put your date in a
headlock to kiss her, do it.
You're not in, you're not inthere, okay, she's not into you.
And oh my God.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You're not in.
You're not in there.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Okay, she's not into you.
And oh my God, bless her heartfor having the foresight to go
with her gut and run.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Just leave everything behind and run and like you may
not have given her theopportunity to verbally say no,
and maybe she did or did not sayno or don't, but body language
says the same thing no or don't,but body language says the same
thing Exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And also when you drug someone.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
and when you drug someone you can't count on the
consent being available to thatperson to offer.
So yes, this case has me allriled up.
So she says that she beganvomiting uncontrollably, at
least while she was in the Uberand possibly before, For months.
She thought that she was theonly victim and blamed herself
for what had happened.
She thought you know all theclassic things, Maybe I drank
(14:18):
too much.
She thought maybe it was aprescription medicine that
caused everything.
You know, just blaming yourself.
Frickin' classic.
And so sad, she said I thoughtthere was something wrong with
me that made him want to hurt me.
She then came across a Facebookpage called Are we Dating the
Same Guy Denver, coloradoSprings and Fort Collins area.
(14:40):
She came across several postsfrom other women who had gone on
dates with Matthews, sharingremarkably similar and haunting
stories.
She then went to the police andtold them what had happened to
her, and while Allie didn'tbelieve that she was sexually
assaulted which you were, he'smacking on you Either way she
(15:01):
was firm in her belief that thatwas his intention and,
regardless of if he did or not,he most certainly drugged her.
And then you guys have the nextquote underlined and in bold,
because this is the reason Ifelt like I had to share this
story.
She said the only reason I feltsafe going on a date with him
(15:22):
was because he was a doctor.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And you get it.
You get it.
I mean doctors, take a note.
They're supposed to be, youknow, a separate, esteemed level
of society where it's not justthe education but it's the
commitment to the well-being ofthe public that they take.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, you're a cardiologist, you like the
outdoors, you have a dog.
I'm not going to believe you'regoing to drug and try to rape
me.
Horrible, horrible.
Okay, so that is Allie's story.
I only have one more story witha name.
Well, it's not even her realname.
She chose to be called Jane,and then the rest are just
(16:01):
victim.
You know two, three, four, five, six, et cetera.
And then the rest are justvictim.
You know two, three, four, five, six, etc.
So here we are for jane.
So jane also connected withmatthews on hinge.
The two met and after a coupleof drinks she was invited back
to his place.
Jane does not recall much abouthis place because, you see,
jane started to black outsomewhere between when they
grabbed drinks and his place.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Nightmare.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
She woke up naked on the floor and immediately texted
a family member.
I think there's a very goodchance that something very bad
just happened to me.
The message read the next dayso we're on September 29th 2020,
.
She underwent a rapeexamination and sent an email to
Hinge reporting the incident.
(16:44):
She received a message backshortly after that they had
received her report and thatthey would be taking immediate
steps to prevent and stop thisbehavior on the app, as it
violates their membersprinciples and terms of service.
Additionally, she was told thathe would be banned from the app
.
She was told that he would bebanned from the app, but four
(17:07):
months later, when Jane had thecourage to return to the dating
scene, his profile came acrossas suggested for her no way.
She wrote to Hinge again onJanuary 30th 2021, and the email
read Hi, this is the secondtime I am reporting this.
I was raped and subsequentlyhospitalized after a first date
(17:30):
with an individual I met andcommunicated with via Hinge.
I recently saw his profile assuggested to me, which tells me
several things, the mostimportant of which, however, is
that he still exists within yourecosystem and he is posing a
potential threat to other womenwithin the Hinge community.
Please advise, my cell phonenumber is blah blah blah.
(17:51):
I have a police report.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Good for her.
I mean the courage that ittakes to do that.
Yes, queen, you go girl, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Mm-hmm, absolutely.
Hinge replied saying Hi, Icannot begin to tell you how
sorry I am to read this and I'mso grateful for you to reach out
to us.
I see that you reported thisperson in September of 2020 and
we permanently banned him fromHinge on the same day.
It appears that he created anew account using completely
different login credentials.
(18:21):
We have permanently banned thataccount and taken additional
steps to ensure that he stayspermanently off hinge.
Then it goes on to say likewe'd be glad to assist law
enforcement with anyinvestigations.
You can contact our legaldepartment at blah blah blah or
write to them at blah blah blahlegal mailing address.
So how good or bad are securitymeasures of these apps?
(18:44):
Because they didn't seem towork when it came to Stephen
Matthews.
I mean, he was reported severaltimes, for sure that we know,
and sure they blocked hisaccount.
But why not take it a stepfurther and block, you know, I
don't know an IP address?
Is that possible?
It people out there, it's gotto be possible possible it
(19:05):
people out there.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
It's got to be possible, especially for, I mean
, there needs to be a level ofsecurity that's amplified when
it comes to physical bodily harmor threat against another
person like yeah, my gosh I meangreat, you banned his profile.
But exactly as they say I mean,this isn't just somebody who
said something stupid on youknow or posted something they
(19:30):
shouldn't have.
This is, this is a sex offender.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So we need to do a little more.
Hopefully they learned fromthis, I don't know.
So victim number two so thatthe rest of the stories that I
have are all excerpts fromvictims that were given either
in their testimony or duringvictim impact statements,
because we already know theywent to court and we already
know he's in jail.
So these are.
I just want to share the restof these story.
(20:07):
They're all, of course, muchshorter, but I think it's
important that each of them havea voice.
So victim number three sat downwith CBS news for an interview.
Through teary eyes she said Ishould have never been able to
even match with him because Ishould have never been able to
make, or he should have neverbeen able to make, another
(20:27):
account.
She told reporters that afterseveral drinks with Matthews at
his home, she blacked out andunderwent a rape kit the next
day.
The test indicated that she didhave intercourse, which she
does not remember.
According to an arrestaffidavit for Matthewsews, he
claims the sex was consensual.
Of course, regardless of hisaccount, he was charged with
(20:49):
three felonies for her rape.
Which, yay.
All of this happened due tomeeting him on hinge two and a
half years after the site saidit had banned him.
If they had listened to themultitude of reports that they
had received about this personand just banned him in the first
place, I would not be sittinghere today having this
conversation she told CBS News.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
But it's like they maintained that they banned him,
but they obviously whateverthey're using in order to ban a
person wasn't enough enough.
They didn't do enough and theydidn't look into it after the
first time that he got throughtheir supposed banning.
They didn't do enough to ensurethat he couldn't do it again,
(21:33):
and so he kept reoffending.
This is so disturbing, and I'msure it's not just applicable to
him.
Oh yeah, I'm sure this isprevalent in all of the
different dating sites, but oh,my goodness, we've got to do
better.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
People come on because this is the main way, I
think, that people meet peoplenow.
Yeah, so it's like yeah, justbecause you're a doctor, please
have your like sensors on guys.
I mean, this is scary yeah,this is good information.
Victim number four was drugged,filmed and sent home with
(22:09):
injuries.
She shared that the entireencounter lasted one hour and 27
minutes.
He drugged her, filmed theassault, ripped her underwear,
caused a head wound and put herin a rideshare home.
Who is this monster?
Caused a head wound and put herin a ride share home monster.
At the trial, she was forced towatch about 13 minutes of his
(22:31):
video recording as evidence,including him setting up the
phone and climbing on top of hertorture.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
And how dare they do that to her to re traumatize her
?
This is disgusting, absolutelydisgusting, absolutely
disgusting.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
The prosecution was absolutely disgraceful.
Oh my gosh.
Victim number five texted himafterward asking her why her
underwear and tights were rippedopen.
She says he gaslit her blamingalcohol.
Seeking answers, she went backto his house, of course with
(23:28):
buyer's remorse of course.
She continued, adding thatwhile the defendant is presumed
innocent until proven guilty,the victims in this case were
presumed by the defense to belying until it could be proven
that they were telling the truth.
I had to convince strangersthat the worst day of my life
happened, she said she has apoint yeah, victim number six
escaped barefoot in sub-freezingweather.
(23:50):
She recounted coming to duringthe assault and then blocking
out again in a haze.
She ran out of the townhousebarefoot into the below freezing
temperatures to get away, andothers similarly also recalled
being kicked out while stilldrug impaired that's so scary
because they could die out inthat cold weather, especially if
(24:10):
they were drugged and theypassed out with below freezing
weather Gone.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Victim number seven called the trial.
In quote appalling amount ofgaslighting and victim blaming,
end quote not just by Matthewsbut his defense attorneys.
The defense team played a videoof her in the courtroom that
Matthews recorded on a cellphone while she was in his home.
The woman, who was actuallyskilled in gymnastics, said that
(24:40):
she saw the video along witheveryone else in the courtroom
for the first time and watchedher ability to control her body
fade as she attempted anunsuccessful cartwheel.
The defense made jokes at myexpense and even gave me an
Olympic score on the cartwheel,she said.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
These assholes, these assholes.
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I'm like shaking reading this.
It makes me so mad.
So these were composite themesfor multiple victims who
testified during the trial andthrough sentencing coverage.
Many described nearly identicalpatterns.
They matched on.
I did see tinder and hinge andthen a quick escalation to his
townhouse, suddendisproportionate intoxication
after limited alcohol, memorygaps, waking up naked or
(25:31):
partially clothed and latergaslighting.
He told them they had, you know, simply drank too much.
One survivor called him anarcissistic monster and several
said we are a powerful army ofsurvivors.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Oh my gosh this makes me so sick.
Listen, thank you for bringingthis up.
This is so important becauseyou know we think we're being
smart, like, okay, this guy sayshe's a doctor.
I'm going to go online and lookup his NPI.
Is he really a doctor?
Blah, blah, blah.
That doesn't guarantee he's nota sociopath.
Blah, blah, blah.
(26:07):
That doesn't guarantee he's nota sociopath.
And all of these women havingthe same story and getting
basically degraded andhumiliated by, let's face it,
white men in the courtroom whoare judging them as being less
than because they consented togo back to this guy's place I
mean, the one was just going tothe bathroom when they were
walking the dog.
But even if it wasn't that, noone deserves to be assaulted.
(26:32):
And you know it's so hard toprove that you were drugged or
whatever, unless someone ispaying attention and tests you
at the time.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And he was smart.
He took them all home.
I saw so many stories likenearly all of the stories that I
read test you at the time.
And he was smart, he took themall home.
I saw so many stories likenearly all of the stories that I
read he like brings them home.
They play like jenga.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Jenga was in several stories, something so wholesome,
so wholesome and, like youwould do with a kid, yeah yeah,
he had a hot tub.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Oh, let's do some hot tub time, yeah and like.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So any one of us could have fallen prey to that,
like some, and I'm.
I don't know what he looks like, but I'm assuming he's no, but
I'm assuming he's charismatic.
Yeah, you know, he's something.
He must be because, you know,women aren't stupid.
Something is attracting themother than just the fact that
he's a cardiologist.
But he's obviously very smart.
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You can't be a cardiologistunless you have some brain power
.
And then he's charismatic,which makes him either a
sociopath or a psychopath.
And he lures them into thissituation where he drugs them
and then convinces them that itwas their fault that they had
too much to drink.
Yeah, because he's humiliatingthem.
But you know what, even if Iwill maintain that even if a
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woman is drunk and you take herback to your place and take
advantage of her, that's on you.
That's still not consent.
So, but the fact that this wasa clear pattern of women with
memory gaps and I just wish Idon't know.
So tell me more about how he'sin jail, because I didn't hear
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the outcome.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
And we will get to that.
You guys will be very, veryhappy with the sentencing.
I will tell you that thesentencing, honestly, is so far
more beyond the stars of what weever hoped for for a sentencing
, so I will tell you that chartnote chart note get it girl look
(28:40):
at these rusted vocal foldscoming back from vacation wow, I
made it a little stanky at theend there.
I liked it a little gravelly.
Welcome to the chart notesegment, alleycats, where we
learn about what's happening inmedicine and healthcare.
Okay, I actually found twothings that I wanted to share,
(29:02):
but obviously I only picked one.
But there's so many excitingthings going on right now, so
today I will share with you thata groundbreaking
smartphone-based test for type 2diabetes has just launched in
the UK, with experts calling ita potential game changer for
public health.
Developed by the health techcommunity POCDOC P-O-C-D-O-C,
(29:27):
the test allows people to carryout an HbA1c finger prick test
at home, then use their phone toscan the result and receive
near instant feedback.
Awesome by making diagnosispossible outside of a
traditional clinic, theinnovation aims to catch cases
that often go undetected,particularly among adults over
40 who may not attend routinehealth checks.
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Awesome the technology isalready being rolled out in NHS
trusts across Cumbria and theNortheast, with nationwide
expansion planned later thisyear.
The launch closely aligns withthe government's long-term NHS
strategy, which emphasizesearlier disease detection and
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shifting diagnostics intocommunities and homes.
Officials believe it couldsignificantly reduce the number
of people who suffer severecomplications such as heart
attacks, stroke and kidneydisease, all of which are linked
to untreated or late diagnoseddiabetes.
The need for this is urgent.
Around 5.2 million people inthe UK are living with type 2
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diabetes, while another 1.3million remain undiagnosed.
The condition already costs NHS9 billion euros a year in
related complications, and earlydetection could cut both
hospital admissions andmortality rates.
For POC Docs CEO, steven Roist,the project has a deeply
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personal motivation, which Ilove.
His father suffered adevastating stroke in his early
40s due to undiagnosedcardiovascular disease, an
experience that inspired him todevelop tools that prevent such
tragedies for others.
The test also arrives just asthe government announced a major
overhaul of diabetes care.
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Under new plans, 750,000patients with cardiovascular
disease or early onset diabeteswill gain earlier access to
so-called fat jabs, soinjectable treatments previously
reserved for later stages ofthe disease.
Together, these measures signalI mean.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I'm just reading from the article, I know, but we can
think of a better name for that, right?
Guys, Come on guys, hey UK.
Guys, Come on guys, hey UK.
What?
Come on UK.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
We're more sensitive over in America, maybe with an
accent it's not so insulting.
We can't say things like that.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Insulting fat jabs.
Fat jabs I'm going to get me afat jab.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
It sounds nicer when you say it like that.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I love a fat jab of an evening.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
So together, these measures signal a shift in how
the UK plans to tackle one ofits fastest growing health care
crisis, with the smartphone testat the heart of efforts to
bring diagnosis directly intopeople's hands, and I just love
when technology like we're usingtechnology to innovate and like
bring it home capture thosepeople that we would not have
(32:22):
normally captured.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, I think this is a great story.
I think I mean a story.
It's not just a story.
I think this is wonderful, thatthis is happening, absolutely.
Yep, wait till you hear mypower to the people woo, woo,
woo, go, uk Go.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
UK.
Are you guys ready to get backto the story?
I mean?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
as long as he gets arrested, okay, you promised me
that.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, it's a really good sentencing.
Okay, yeah, all right.
Okay, so Mr Matthews wasarrested in March 2023 after a
woman reported to Denver policethat she had been drugged during
a date and sexually assaultedin the defendant's home.
The following month,investigators said that they
believed Matthews may have beeninvolved in other incidents and
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urged any other potentialvictims to contact Denver police
.
Stephen Matthews' attorney,Douglas Cohen, maintained that
his client was innocent.
He said that the case is a rushto judgment and it's a matter
of buyer's remorse and talltales.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Buyer's remorse he wasn't a sex worker, people
weren't paying money and thenfeeling regret like man, I
didn't get what I paid for.
No, he took what wasn't onoffer, all right sorry, yeah,
I'll shut up.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Thank you, douglas cohen douchebag.
Okay, he said he, as in mrcohen, said that what had been
reported was horrible but thatthere was no weight to it.
And you know they would behappy to help authorities with
investigation yeah, and it'slike you know what.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Well then, good, let's just castrate the guy and
there won't be a problem anymore.
Are you happy?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
like that.
I guess, if you're hired as theattorney, like you can't really
be like, yeah, you're right,you're a douchebag, let's put
you in jail, like you have to doyour job.
But I'm just like, do you haveto say those kind of things that
, like, humiliates the victimseven further?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
You have to do your job.
No, you don't have to say thosekind of things.
You could say no, you can say,dude, you can get some therapy
and express remorse and we'llget you a lighter sentence.
You don't have to go.
Ah well, it's the victim'sfault, you know, because they're
women, Exactly, and because youknow we can just blame it on
(34:37):
silly women, little drinks, andit's all their fault.
Oh my gosh.
Okay, that probably would havewent a long way stupid women,
silly women, they just get sogiggly.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Okay, so then matthews was arrested again in
may.
So march, april, may, twomonths later, in 2023, of course
, after nine, nine more womenwent to police with similar
allegations, with some of themdating back to 2019.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah Well, they finally had the courage because
they weren't alone.
I mean, when you think you'realone in this situation and
you're shaming, you're feelingshamed, you're blaming yourself,
and then when you hear like no,you know, this wasn't right,
that validates the fact that youshouldn't feel shameful, but
then it also emboldens you tosay, well, I don't want this to
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happen to other women and we allneed to band together.
So good for them.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
They said all of them that they had met him online
met for drinks lost some oftheir memory and in the
aftermath, according to anarrest, or they lost their
memory in the aftermath,according to the arrest
affidavit.
By the end of the investigation, police recommended multiple
charges in connection with thereports.
The district attorney filedcharges in connection with 11 of
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their cases.
Of those, nine reported that hesexually assaulted them.
The allegations resulted in 38total charges, which of course
he pleaded not guilty to.
But because there were 38 totalcharges, which of course he
pleaded not guilty to butbecause there were 38 total
charges he pleaded not guiltythe case was sent to trial.
Stephen Matthews had adeliberate and very particular
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way of identifying and selectingthe targets that he would
eventually perpetrate against aprosecutor said during closing
arguments.
The prosecutor went on to saythis is an obvious, obvious case
of a man who feels entitled toperpetrate against women for his
own benefit by robbing them ofmemory, by robbing them of
bodily autonomy and by impairingtheir memories, only to have
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them come in and testify andcriticize them for the fact that
their memories don't exist.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
I love that too.
How would you stand up,Matthews, if we gave you the
same drug?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, he wouldn't because guess what.
He didn't say one peep theentire time this was at trial.
He just cried, sobbed hislittle crocodile tears.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
That was probably the smartest thing his defense
attorneys did is not let himstand trial like stand and give
testimony.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Well, spoiler alert, they told him not to say
anything and I know we got tokeep going on with the story,
but they told him not to sayanything because he's going to
appeal it.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Oh, of course, all right, sorry, I'll shut up now.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Matthew's attorney held strong in that it was all
untrue or that the prosecutionlacked evidence telling the jury
.
Don't let the volume ofaccusations override your common
sense and your reasonableness.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Don't let the volume of evidence you know suggest
this guy's a serial offender.
You know, just because we havea bunch of women that are saying
the same thing under oath, thathonestly have nothing to lose
and in fact everything to loseby coming forward and admitting
to what in society is a shamefuladmission that you, you know,
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hooked up with someone from adating app and they say you
drank too much and you say youwere drugged.
I mean, this was in nobody'sbenefit, this didn't benefit
anybody.
So to come forward took so muchcourage and so much just
overcoming of this trauma to beable to get this guy to face
(38:24):
charges.
Like I'm so angry, I'm just soangry, but bless these women
that came forward.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yes, okay, I was like where am I?
The victim impact statementswere powerful and had a running
theme that they'd never be ableto remember but also never able
to forget.
The victims couldn't recalleverything from their attacks,
but what they did remember has alifelong effect on them and
their loved ones.
Many of those victims metMatthews on dating apps, as we
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know.
One described him as checkingmany boxes.
He was active, good looking,had a good career and a dog.
He used my softness as a reasonto target me.
One woman said Very insightful,because all of the messages to
Matthews were very clear we area powerful army of survivors and
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you are nothing.
I hope everyone you knowbetrays you and hurts you.
You won't get the opportunityto hurt anybody else.
If it's the last thing Iaccomplish, stephen Matthews, it
is now time for the life youdeserve life behind bars without
the possibility of getting out.
The women, as well as theprosecutors, also expressed
astonishment and frustrationwith some of the comments made
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by Matthew's defense team, whichwe've already said we hated too
.
The defense also welcomedMatthew's loved ones to speak in
front of the courtroom.
His parents, stepfather, sisterand brother all addressed the
court and we're going to hateall of it.
So just a fair warning, okay.
His stepfather said Matthewshas spent the time since his
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conviction reflecting on hisactions and how they have
impacted other people and thathe hopes Matthews will find
purpose in his sentencing.
His mother detailed obstaclesMatthews faced growing up, such
as stress in her marriage,delayed speech and and ADHD, all
before he went on to hisacceptance at a medical college.
She said he'd benefit fromintense rehabilitation.
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She told Matthews that sheloved him, which, yeah, I guess,
whatever you're the mom butJesus.
Matthews' father said that hewas moved by the victim's
statements and said so manylives were impacted.
He said his son has alcoholismand rehabilitation can treat it
so he can become a productivemember of society.
He called forgiveness the mostimportant healing factor.
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Matthew's siblings also spoke.
His sister, who is a motherwith three daughters, said that
she is an advocate for women anda sexual assault survivor
herself.
She said her brother could be aperson of value in this world,
but it depends on his choicesmoving forward.
She asked the judge to considera sentence that included
treatment instead of lifeimprisonment.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Matthew's brother.
A trial lawyer said that he wasnot there to defend his brother
but didn't believe he saw anyevidence that should have led to
a conviction.
But they all are kind of givinga similar message like okay,
can we give him the benefit ofthe doubt, can he be treated?
We love him, can he berehabilitated to be a productive
(41:45):
member of society?
So I get all of that Likethere's nothing you know.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
I just was so angry from reading all this that I'm
like no, he's going to jail.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, there's nothing that I take umbrage with until
we get to Matthew's brother, thetrial lawyer.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
That there was not enough evidence.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
He was like there's no evidence.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Were you only there on the last day, sir, then?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Okay, dude, yeah, there is, Settle down.
But everybody else was verytelling they weren't like, oh,
he could never do this, we can'tbelieve it.
They were like, yeah, but canwe, you know, forgive him, can
we rehabilitate him, can we takemercy on him?
Which I think is, you know, ina family who's grieving, because
they're also grieving the factthat their beloved family member
(42:31):
is, you know, an offender, youknow that's the best they could
hope.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
I know, but let us be mad.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Right, right, offender.
You know that's the best theycould hope, I know, but let us
be mad, right, right.
So all of that, except for hisbrother, can go to hell all
right, like how did my baby boygrow up to be like this?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
not possible, okay.
So I was gonna play the judgesentencing.
The whole video is online and Ithought it was very powerful,
but we're already at 44 minutesand it's 12 minute video, so
maybe I'll read it because I'llbe faster than him.
so because our medical mishap isa long one again, because I was
(43:08):
like this is a short story, I'mgoing to pick a long medical
mishap.
So in an effort to not keep youguys here for 900 hours, I will
go ahead and read judge EricJohnson's final statement to
Stephen Matthews in thesentencing hearing.
He said it's late and I won'tdo a lot except to just begin,
which is kind of what I justsaid.
(43:29):
So that's kind of funny.
Contrary to other assertions,the evidence in this case is
overwhelming.
The evidence of guilt isoverwhelming.
In here today there is a roomfull of pain and this is pain
that you have caused yourvictims so much suffering.
None of it deserved.
I also acknowledge, in thisroom full of pain, your family
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and that you have caused them tosuffer, which you just talked
about.
Your family had to hear thepain and suffering that you have
caused victims directed at them, your family, just which you
(44:12):
just talked about.
On them will be a heavy burdenthat they will bear the rest of
their lives.
I am sure they raised you better, mr Matthews.
You have diminished this world.
You have dimmed many of itslights, you've hurt our society
and it's a darker place becauseof you.
You've brought disgrace uponyourself.
You've brought disgrace uponthat name that was given to you.
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That was a pure and clean namethe day your parents gave it to
you.
You even managed to ruin datingapplications in what should
have been technology, with areally fun upside, with the
opportunity to meet people youcouldn't have otherwise met.
You know, maybe fall in love,maybe have a family.
Now it's just something elsefor girls and young women to
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fear as another danger zone.
It is my understanding that someof these jurors are still
listening.
I want to thank them again.
They sacrificed one month oftheir life to do their duty to
our system under theConstitution.
Their sacrifice cannot beappreciated enough.
You listened to the evidence.
You held the prosecution totheir burden of truth.
You did your duty and I thankyou.
(45:17):
You know, mr Cohen, youmentioned in your closing
statement that these women wentto his apartment and they drank.
Good Lord, I wish this trial hadbeen videotaped and I wish a
tape of this trial could beplayed in every university and
everyone in this country couldwatch it, because we would have
been programmed to believe thatvictims will act a certain way
and, if there is anything thiscase proved, beyond your guilt,
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beyond a reasonable doubt, isthat how we think victims are
going to react is 100% wrong.
How we think they should act iscompletely misguided.
And if anyone thinks they knowhow they're going to react until
they're faced with the pressureand in that situation you have
no idea, you are completelywrong.
Very briefly to the victims Istarted my career out in
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Jefferson County and this wasnot my case, but I was in the
office when Detective StaceyGalbraith of the Golden Police
Department and Detective EdnaHendershot of the Westminster
Police Department believed avictim.
I was in the courtroom whenthey judge-sentenced Mark
O'Leary, a serial rapist whichis now a Netflix series called
(46:26):
Unbelievable.
And now I find myself havingpresided over this trial.
I'll add Detective JenniferLott and Detective Andrew Como
to the names I will remember.
And you were believed.
The verdict says that, and theVenn diagram between not proven
and innocent is not a circle.
As I sit up here in this robe, Iam not Eric Johnson.
I represent the law, Irepresent the rule of the law, I
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represent society, and it doesfall to me to hand out
punishment, and a punishmentthat is commensurate with the
social contract that you'vebreached so egregiously, I will
sentence you.
I cannot heal.
Many of you are here forclosure and I hate that I will
not be able to provide you thatclosure.
Closure comes from within.
It will come from you and comefrom your family.
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The best thing that you can dois live well, live happily, and
I wish you peace.
As a preliminary issue, I know Iheard from some victims of
non-charged testimony.
I appreciate the statements butunder our law I cannot consider
uncharged statements.
So I am not.
As I said, I will issue asentencing order.
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I calculate the maximum as Iindicated.
If the sex assaults do mergeinto one to each victim.
The second degree does not.
The maximum is 158 years.
You will have to register as asex offender.
I will not waive any fines orcosts.
You can pay for those.
(47:52):
I will declare you indignant.
You may proceed in formersomething.
Blah, blah, blah.
I couldn't make out what hesaid and I will refer to the
office of the public defender torepresent you in your appeal.
This kind of drones on, of likein charges of counts 4, 8, 12,
18, 30, 34, 38, you know, likeall of those.
(48:15):
Basically, to summarize therest of this, he says that each
woman should be treated as aseparate case and be charged as
such.
And so he gets 12 years for onecharge per each woman.
Yeah, so 12 years times eight.
And there were some other, likethird degree assault and
(48:38):
whatever, in there too.
well, thank god for that,because he was not gonna
rehabilitate, he was gonnare-offend so the total number of
years was 158 years in prisonand that is what he was charged,
you guys.
Yes, I, and I think he saidsomething in there too, but
again, I didn't want to drone onon you guys, but he said, like
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I do believe, interesting yeah,I'd like.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
I do believe you would do this again.
So I mean it doesn't matter,because who he turned out to be
is all that matters, and he'sgoing to be away for life.
Yay.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
And so we're very happy.
He got 158 years Love.
That See you never, thank God.
But he is going to try andappeal, so we'll see where that
goes.
But as for who he is, where hisbackground, where he grew up,
blah, blah, blah, whatever,there's no credible publicly
available information on any ofthat, at least not from any
(49:33):
reputable news outlets or courtdocuments.
Yeah, and I was like,truthfully, after a quick search
didn't yield anything, I waslike I'm not looking much harder
, I don't care, I don't care whoyou are, I don't care who you
were, I'm so happy you're goneforever.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, that's so important.
Thank you for bringing this up,because you know our daughters,
our friends, our cousins, our,our sisters, like everyone needs
to know, and even our brothers,that that, that this is a.
This is one of the risks thatwe take, unfortunately.
Yeah, with online dating andeven if you do all the
(50:10):
background checks, you know like, oh yeah, this person is a
highly rated.
They actually are.
They say they are because a lotof times people buy about that.
But you get past that barrier.
You think, well, he really isand he has a dog, he really is a
surgeon.
You know nobody not to victim,like no one did anything wrong.
My point is, I guess you can'ttrust anyone, which is a really
(50:34):
sad, sad state of of being.
But like, go have coffee in apublic place and like, make sure
you don't go to the bathroomand come back and drink I mean,
it could be a coffee cup.
Like gosh, I've turned intosuch a cynic, but you never know
where these people are andhopefully it's not the majority,
(50:54):
but it's enough to have ruinedthese nine women's lives.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
And so if you or someone you know has been
affected by sexual violence,confidential help is available
24-7 via RAINN R-A-I-N-N at800-656-4673.
So 800-656-HOPE 4673, or onlinechat.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, but you think, to be a cardiologist you have to
go through medical school,which is no small feat, and then
you have to do four to fiveyears.
What is it?
Four to five, sometimes sevenyears of residency?
That exhibits a high level ofcommitment.
And you know, let that justgoes to show it doesn't mean
(51:43):
that commitment and intelligencedoesn't place a person at no
alcohol, being an abuser so, oran offender, so great, wonderful
.
So when your mom tells you Ijust want you to meet a doctor,
you can say you know whatthey're all equally subject to.
(52:07):
You know scrutiny.
So let's just meet someonewho's nice, that doesn't hurt
people.
I don't know.
Given what I know from thesestories, I'm not anti.
I'm just don't know.
Given what I know from thesestories, I'm not anti.
I just don't trust myself.
Yeah, great, but like I guessmy point is, it's not like these
(52:29):
people were the victims in thiscase, weren't wary or did
anything wrong to be on tinderand match with this guy and go
well, you like dogs, you likethis, like that, I'll just meet
you and see how it goes.
I mean, there wasn't any.
How would you do it differently?
Speaker 2 (52:50):
I guess we go.
I don't know well if I figureout how I had told adam like to
avoid this, I don't, probably afew years into our relationship.
You know, my god, if, if weever broke up like I don't know,
probably a few years into ourrelationship, like, oh my God,
if we ever broke up like I don'tthink I'd ever date again
Because people are on datingwebsites, I don't think you
could do that.
Like dating apps, what?
Yeah, I don't have good luck.
Yeah, I mean, I had good luck.
(53:19):
Do not click on thecardiologist.
But if you do join a dating app, I want to help you swipe.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yeah, especially a psychopath is going to be
charismatic.
It's not like you're going tohave any warning signs.
You're going to be like, oh,not like you're going to have
any warning signs.
You're going to be like, ohyeah yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
And, like the judge said, it gives you an
opportunity to meet people youwould never otherwise have met.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
I mean, and this wasn't even like, hey, baby,
come see my artwork.
It was like I got to let my dogout real quick.
I mean so clever becausethere's no risk there.
It's like, oh, it's a quickthing I relate to because I also
have a dog.
It's just sinister, Like Idon't know how I personally
would be able to avoid that kindof trap.
(54:06):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
I would have been drugged andsorry the next day.
So, okay, I'm going to single,single for life.
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S-t-a-y-s-u-s-p-i-c-i-o-u-s right red day I would have had
all the same thoughts, hmm, andI like the gal that was like he
had a dog, I had a dog and like,oh, can we go home to let my
dog out?
(56:07):
Like that one just resonatedwith me because like I have a
dog and I totally wouldunderstand that.
Yeah, I would be like you'reright, I would never want my dog
to be sitting there needing togo out.
So like abso-fucking-lutely,let's go, let your dog out.
And also, I want to pet theshit out of your dog.
I would have done, I would golet your dog out and also I want
to pet the shit out of your dog.
I would have done.
I would have been in her shoes.
(56:28):
No, I would have been in hershoes.
Yeah, okay, yeah, we still havea three page medical Thank you.
Oh, okay, we ready for our laststory Ready.
So this is another luckyinsight sent to us by a nurse
(56:52):
that worked in the er.
So, just like last time, wekind of get that inside.
Look to what a day in the lifeof an er nurses.
So hold on to your hats, guys.
This is a really sad story,yeah, all right.
So the call comes into theemergency department via
ambulance to report a patient,mid forties, who was
unresponsive, with difficultybreathing.
The room prep was standard withnot much more information to go
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off of Upon arrival.
The patient was a female withan apparent, significant medical
history of Down syndrome.
Now, with the patient havingsaid history, it is important to
note that it is not uncommonfor patients with Down syndrome
to have medical history of otherhealth conditions, such as
congenital heart defects,hearing and vision problems,
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thyroid concerns, usuallyhypothyroidism, and a weakened
immune system resulting inincreased susceptibility to
infections.
That aside, the patient wasotherwise healthy, with no other
health concerns.
The patient, upon presentation,was breathing and did have a
pulse, but was completelyunresponsive to all other
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stimuli.
Other important information tonote per EMS report, the patient
resides at a group homefull-time and was found by group
home staff on the ground agroup home full-time and was
found by group home staff on theground.
The report indicated that thepatient likely was on the floor
for three days and that theywere diagnosed four to five days
ago with a non-specific viralillness, viral illness which is
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then not COVID influenza A or Band not RSV.
Iv access was attempted butcould not be obtained by EMS.
I immediately attempted to gainIV access but found that the
patient was wearing whatappeared to be a one-piece
footed pajama.
I instructed other staff toassist in cutting off the
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clothing.
Once the clothing was removed,it was immediately visible that
the patient was dark, purple toalmost black from the navel down
to lower extremities and alsofrom approximately her bicep to
the end of her fingers.
Iv access was attempted inmultiple locations but unable to
be acquired due to shunting ofblood flow.
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All of her vascular structureshad collapsed.
I immediately asked anothernurse to place multiple IOs,
which is intraosseous vascularaccess, which is another IV
strategy and asked the providerfor central arterial access.
At this time the vitals werefully applied and patient's
blood pressure was noted to besignificantly hypotensive,
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approximately 40 to 50 over 18to 30.
I distinctly remember that thelowest patient's diastolic
pressure was visualized at thetime being 18 mmHg.
At that point I then noticedthat the patient appeared not to
be breathing.
I immediately asked anotherstaff member to start bagging.
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While I attempted to find apulse, no palpable pulse was
felt at the radial or ulnarsites.
I then attempted to palpitatethe femoral pulse.
Due to lack of palpable pulseat radial ulnar sites and
possibly missed pulse due to thepatient's body habituous, I
also instructed another nurse onthe team to attempt to
palpitate the carotid pulse.
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Both myself and another nursewere in agreement that no pulse
was present and thedetermination to immediately
start advanced cardiac lifesupport measures were made.
So that is ACLS, if peopledidn't know.
So CPR was started and a nurseshowed up quickly with a Lucas
device, which is an automaticCPR machine, if you didn't know.
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While this nurse was justtrying to be helpful, the idea
had to be quickly dismissedbecause the patient was too wide
for proper Lucas applicationand function Manual CPR was
continued by myself rotatingwith another nurse and a patient
care technician, continued bymyself rotating with another
nurse and a patient caretechnician, following protocol
of ACLS with regards to medadministration and proper
testing and pulse checksresulted in no improvement or
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return of spontaneouscirculation.
At provider's orders, beforestopping, the patient was given
calcium gluconate and sodiumbicarb.
And then they wrote sodiumbicarb has been shown to have no
real difference in survivalrates and calcium gluconate is
not recommended due to thepossibility of increased
mortality rate, unless one isexperiencing cardiac arrest due
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to hyperkalemia.
Upon receiving the dose ofmedications, the patient
achieved a return of spontaneouscirculation, which is known by
ROSC.
This was determined by a returnof palpable pulses, inframural
and carotid, by myself andanother nurse, as well as a
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bedside echo which showedcardiac movement.
The patient, however, was stillventilated.
Due to the patient's continuedhypotension, despite rapid
infusion of fluids, decision wasmade to start the patient on
pressors.
The patient was initiallystarted on the standard protocol
, which is norepinephrine, whichwas quickly maxed out.
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The provider then placed anorder of epinephrine to be
started, as well as an adjunctto the norepinephrine.
This pressor was also quicklymaxed out, again with minimal
improvement.
The provider then orderedvasopressin to be administered
after administration andconsequently maxing out the dose
as well.
With regards to the currentguidelines, stating that there's
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no firm upper guidelines andthat providers may exceed if
benefit outweighs the risk, theprovider decided to allow for
PRN doses of phenylephrinepushes to be administered by
myself as needed for improvementof blood pressure.
If you do not know, this PRNmeans as needed.
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Labs at this time were showingsignificant hyperkalemia and
significant lactic acidosis.
Blood cultures were, of course,obtained as well, but would not
be back for some time.
It was at this point that Inoticed a sudden change on the
patient's cardiac monitor andimmediately checked the
patient's femoral pulse andasked another nurse to again
check the carotid, whichdetermined that the patient was
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again pulseless and CPR wasstarted again.
Approximately 30 minutes hadpassed since the patient
achieved return of spontaneouscirculation.
One round of CPR was performedwith one dose of epinephrine
then still resulted in thepatient being in cardiac rhythm
that was determined to bepulseless electrical activity.
The provider made the decisionto again administer sodium
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bicarb and calcium gluconate,which resulted in spontaneous
circulation being achieved againon the next pulse check.
At this point, the patient'sparents and one of her brothers
arrived.
While talking with the family,the patient again went into PEA
and CPR was started.
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The provider immediatelyordered another dose of sodium
bicarb, but to hold the calciumgluconate.
This time the patient againachieved that spontaneous
circulation and the family madethe decision that if the patient
were to go into cardiac arrestagain, that life-saving measures
would not be continued.
However, they did want thepatient's other two brothers to
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be able to say goodbye, were togo into cardiac arrest again,
that life-saving measures wouldnot be continued.
However, they did want thepatient's other two brothers to
be able to say goodbye.
I asked the patient's parentswhat the ETA was for the
brothers and they said roughly45 minutes.
I was sure to express to thefamily that it is unlikely that
the patient would be able tomaintain for that long and if
the brothers were not there yet,they would likely have to, you
know, do the life-savingmeasures.
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And then the family decided notto.
I then asked everyone to leavethe room so that the family
could have some privacy in whatwas likely their final moments.
I monitored vital signsremotely during this time and
noted that the patient had died37 minutes after the decision
was made to stop life-savingefforts.
The brothers had arrived 52minutes from the time the
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parents shared they were ontheir way.
The patient's family asked forthe patient to be cleaned up so
that her brothers wouldn't haveto see her in such a state, with
all the tubes and everything.
Unfortunately, I had to informthe family that we weren't able
to remove all of those thingsbecause the patient would need
to be examined by the medicalexaminer, as is, because it was
likely the case could be that ofmaltreatment, neglect and or
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abuse.
The family was understandablyvery upset, but they understood
the reasoning for such a rule.
This patient had a nonspecificviral illness illness, basically
a cold or a viral sinusinfection.
Yes, she had down syndrome, butshe was otherwise healthy
individual who had had hundredsof colds in her lifetime, just
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like the rest of us.
She did not have to die.
She died because she couldn'tget up on her own and staff did
not do their job to support her.
I later learned that the deathwas determined to be a
combination of septic shock withsevere hyperkalemia due to her
lying on the floor for what waslater more precisely estimated
to be 78 hours In the group home.
Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Holy cow, that's a week.
That's a week.
I mean holy shit.
Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Yeah.
So I did like reach out to thisperson and was like, oh my god,
thank you so much for sharingthis.
And they did share with me ifwe can find one silver lining in
this really horrific story thatthe group home has since closed
.
Like this was a big case andthen the group home closed,
isn't that so, so sad.
Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
It's so tragic, oh my God.
Don't trust group homes.
I don't know.
Now, what are we learning?
We don't trust cardiologists onTinder and we don't trust group
homes.
Holy crap, this is so sad.
Okay, well, yeah, oh my God,amanda.
(01:06:44):
Well, yeah, oh my god, amanda,it's so important to to know
these things happen, and thefact that this nurse allowed us
an inside view, because thatjust never happens we're lucky
yeah, we're lucky we are luckyto be provided this insight when
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we read these, isn't it like ithelps.
Holy shit, this is someone's day, not even their day, guys these
are the things to look out fortheir day, or it's really
eye-opening.
No you, just because they're ina group home doesn't mean
they're not gonna lie on thefloor for three days.
Oh my God, oh my God.
Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
I can't trust anyone, just like one of your Alpine
Manor story from a hundred weeksago.
Just because they're in aassisted living place doesn't
mean they're not having awaterfall fell down on their
face.
Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
I mean it's horrible.
I've been reading a book, anannual book about so maybe you
can bring us to a brighter notehere.
Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Maybe doubt it, who knows?
What can we expect to hear next?
Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
week, but I don't know if I'm going to get the
book done.
So we're either going to talkabout a nasty arse doctor we
love Ann Arl that needs to beheld to justice, or a surprise
Surprise story.
So stay tuned, folks.
Either way, you're going tohear about Anthony Pignataro
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someday soon.
Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Or a surprise doctor that has to be held to justice.
Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
As she says.
Ever since she was a toddler,she says can I get a surprise
Surprise?
Yeah, yeah, baby, you can get asome prize.
Perfect yeah.
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Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Oh boy, Get it girl.
Bye, Adios.
amanda welcome back.
I missed you guess who's back.
Back again, I'm back jenna'sback.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm back.
I'm back.
I'm back, I'm back again.
I did miss you guys.
I was forced to take a week offwe missed you, but what a
well-deserved vacation welounged by lakes in the sun on
sandy beaches and ate lots ofyou know junk food like deep
(00:35):
fried appetizers and stuff onthe beach and tropical mocktails
and cocktails and, girl, youknow, it's good, it was all good
and I'm back and now all of asudden, overnight sounds amazing
.
I can't, I can't not beminnesotan right now.
The weather just overnight boom, kids are back at school 50
degrees in the morning, what theheck love it sunny and 70
(01:00):
gorgeous windows open gorgeous,no bugs to speak of.
It's so rare.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
My favorite one.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Rarefied air that we have right now.
I slept all night with mywindow open.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yes, it's been wonderful.
I love a chilly house, chillyhouse with a fall candle Oof.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
One of my patients brought me apple crisp today and
she had like this little plateof apple crisp in a plate and I
just shoved my face in there andinhaled the cinnamon, the
apples.
I'm like this is the essence offall.
I just love fall, I love fall.
Of course I'm going to eat itas well, but yeah like I'm not
gonna say I hate summer but likeI'm a fall girl.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Like I love witchy season, I love the.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, I'm so happy we've almost officially you know
you made it so, um speaking ofwhich, like you've been off for
your summer, your first summersojourn as an educational
audiologist.
What's it like the first weekof high school?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It was lovely.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Was it hard.
I know you were trying to getup earlier.
You were preparing all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, I did, I practiced, I prepared, I
practiced and being back hasbeen really good, I think.
Since this is now like goinginto my second year, I knew like
how to set myself up forsuccess at the end of last year
so that it would not be as crazy.
So I think that helpedtransition back into school.
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I mean, you know me, I'm kindof type A about how I have
everything ready to go Ultraprepared.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
That's what we love about you.
Everything ready to go, ultraprepared, that's what we love
about you.
As I was walking out of worktoday to go to my car, there's a
, there's a high school and acollege near where I leave,
where our clinic is, and I couldjust hear the marching band and
I was like, oh, it's fall, yes,gosh, this is the best time of
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the year.
Give me a little shiver, alittle shiver of happiness.
Yeah, I just like feel like sucha happy person, like I feel
complete with this weather andit's still cheerful, it's still
sunny, it's just crisp and youcan get out your sweaters.
I got my cardigans out.
Yes, yeah, ready to go.
And, like my dog, can go for awalk without like suffocating in
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heat as an excuse not toexercise, is actually inspired
to go outside and exercise.
So let's hope it Get it, girl.
Let's hope that continues.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Let's hope the snow doesn't fly too soon, right,
because then we ain't going outbecause we can't slip.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
That's right.
There's always excuses, butthere's like a window of
opportunity and I think it'shere.
I think I have no excuses forat least a week or two.
Yeah, that's my fitness plan.
Any whoozle.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Get a couple of weeks under your belt, love it,
perfect.
So we do have a correctionsection which thankfully, jenna
remembered, because I didn't, ithad been too long.
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But yeah, so I read that it's very compelling.
But yeah, so I read that Verycompelling Medical mishap
Medical, Thank you.
Because I'm trying to thinkwhat did I swap it?
I knew I swapped it tosomething because it really was
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She said it's only good forkids that are getting surgery
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All right, well, good to know,and thank you, shannon, for
enlightening us.
Shannon always teaches ussomething new.
Right, she's so smart and wemiss her.
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So I was searching for what amI gonna do with my life because
I didn't finish the books yetand I came across this article
where I was like, oh, this seemsjuicy and important to share.
And then I kind of realizedthat it's not really like enough
(09:48):
to put together a very detailedstory Like this is so-and-so
and this is their background.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And then you know what I mean, yeah, but important
to know nonetheless, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
The more that I read about it, I was like I have to
share this.
So it is a rather short story,but it's an important story and
I will give you a spoiler alert.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
This guy's already in jail because no, we need to
know Bring it.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, it's not a good one, guys.
It's a short one, but it's nota good one, so we're going a
little off the rails today.
This is definitely a differentstructure than we're used to,
but again, I didn't feel like Icouldn't tell you guys about
this.
And if I would have tried tojust like, hey guys, I read this
article, make sure you look outfor this.
Like if anyone knows mepersonally, I cannot tell a
(10:40):
short story without it beinglong.
So here we are.
So trigger warnings for thisepisode are sexual assault and
rape.
Yeah, so it's not good.
So there's no time like thepresent to just jump right in.
All right, oh, okay, here we go.
(11:01):
In her early, early 30s, alliewas living a fulfilled life with
a great career, but one thingwas missing Love.
She took to the dating appHinge and connected with a
cardiologist, stephen Matthews.
The two seemed to hit it off,having a lot in common.
She liked that he was a doctor,that he had a dog and that he
was outdoorsy.
She too had a dog, liked hikingand also worked in the
(11:25):
healthcare field.
Allie was excited for theirdate, but little did she know
that the date would turn out tobe quote the scariest day of my
life and the only time I thoughtI might die.
End.
Quote.
The two met at a bar for a drink.
Things were going well andafter some time had passed, he
suggested that they walk to hisplace, which was nearby, so that
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he could let his dog out.
Having a dog herself, sheagreed and they began walking.
She used the restroom at hishouse while he let out the dog
and when she returned to thekitchen she had found that he
made them both drinks and, notwanting to offend him, she took
the drink.
Oh no, after two to three sipsshe suddenly began to feel ill,
(12:09):
her speech was slurring and shebegan to lose motor control.
She recalled, quote he put onearm around my neck and shoulders
to hold me and one arm on topof my head and began to kiss me.
I knew that my ability tocontrol my body was quickly
disappearing and that if I didnot leave within minutes.
How scary, oh my God.
I can't imagine.
I know, and her having abackground in the medical field,
(12:40):
like having that forethought oflike this is what's going to
happen to me.
I must exit.
Oh.
So she says that she remembersfalling and seeing him.
Quote about to film her beforeputting her in a headlock and
forcibly kissing her more.
(13:01):
Desperate to stay conscious,she got loose and fled barefoot
from his home in West Denver,leaving behind her purse, jacket
and shoes, and called for aride, bless her heart.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I mean, oh my God, if you have to put your date in a
headlock to kiss her, do it.
You're not in, you're not inthere, okay, she's not into you.
And oh my God.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You're not in.
You're not in there.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Okay, she's not into you.
And oh my God, bless her heartfor having the foresight to go
with her gut and run.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Just leave everything behind and run and like you may
not have given her theopportunity to verbally say no,
and maybe she did or did not sayno or don't, but body language
says the same thing no or don't,but body language says the same
thing Exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And also when you drug someone.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
and when you drug someone you can't count on the
consent being available to thatperson to offer.
So yes, this case has me allriled up.
So she says that she beganvomiting uncontrollably, at
least while she was in the Uberand possibly before, For months.
She thought that she was theonly victim and blamed herself
for what had happened.
She thought you know all theclassic things, Maybe I drank
(14:18):
too much.
She thought maybe it was aprescription medicine that
caused everything.
You know, just blaming yourself.
Frickin' classic.
And so sad, she said I thoughtthere was something wrong with
me that made him want to hurt me.
She then came across a Facebookpage called Are we Dating the
Same Guy Denver, coloradoSprings and Fort Collins area.
(14:40):
She came across several postsfrom other women who had gone on
dates with Matthews, sharingremarkably similar and haunting
stories.
She then went to the police andtold them what had happened to
her, and while Allie didn'tbelieve that she was sexually
assaulted which you were, he'smacking on you Either way she
(15:01):
was firm in her belief that thatwas his intention and,
regardless of if he did or not,he most certainly drugged her.
And then you guys have the nextquote underlined and in bold,
because this is the reason Ifelt like I had to share this
story.
She said the only reason I feltsafe going on a date with him
(15:22):
was because he was a doctor.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And you get it.
You get it.
I mean doctors, take a note.
They're supposed to be, youknow, a separate, esteemed level
of society where it's not justthe education but it's the
commitment to the well-being ofthe public that they take.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, you're a cardiologist, you like the
outdoors, you have a dog.
I'm not going to believe you'regoing to drug and try to rape
me.
Horrible, horrible.
Okay, so that is Allie's story.
I only have one more story witha name.
Well, it's not even her realname.
She chose to be called Jane,and then the rest are just
(16:01):
victim.
You know two, three, four, five, six, et cetera.
And then the rest are justvictim.
You know two, three, four, five, six, etc.
So here we are for jane.
So jane also connected withmatthews on hinge.
The two met and after a coupleof drinks she was invited back
to his place.
Jane does not recall much abouthis place because, you see,
jane started to black outsomewhere between when they
grabbed drinks and his place.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Nightmare.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
She woke up naked on the floor and immediately texted
a family member.
I think there's a very goodchance that something very bad
just happened to me.
The message read the next dayso we're on September 29th 2020,
.
She underwent a rapeexamination and sent an email to
Hinge reporting the incident.
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She received a message backshortly after that they had
received her report and thatthey would be taking immediate
steps to prevent and stop thisbehavior on the app, as it
violates their membersprinciples and terms of service.
Additionally, she was told thathe would be banned from the app
.
She was told that he would bebanned from the app, but four
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months later, when Jane had thecourage to return to the dating
scene, his profile came acrossas suggested for her no way.
She wrote to Hinge again onJanuary 30th 2021, and the email
read Hi, this is the secondtime I am reporting this.
I was raped and subsequentlyhospitalized after a first date
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with an individual I met andcommunicated with via Hinge.
I recently saw his profile assuggested to me, which tells me
several things, the mostimportant of which, however, is
that he still exists within yourecosystem and he is posing a
potential threat to other womenwithin the Hinge community.
Please advise, my cell phonenumber is blah blah blah.
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I have a police report.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Good for her.
I mean the courage that ittakes to do that.
Yes, queen, you go girl, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Mm-hmm, absolutely.
Hinge replied saying Hi, Icannot begin to tell you how
sorry I am to read this and I'mso grateful for you to reach out
to us.
I see that you reported thisperson in September of 2020 and
we permanently banned him fromHinge on the same day.
It appears that he created anew account using completely
different login credentials.
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We have permanently banned thataccount and taken additional
steps to ensure that he stayspermanently off hinge.
Then it goes on to say likewe'd be glad to assist law
enforcement with anyinvestigations.
You can contact our legaldepartment at blah blah blah or
write to them at blah blah blahlegal mailing address.
So how good or bad are securitymeasures of these apps?
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Because they didn't seem towork when it came to Stephen
Matthews.
I mean, he was reported severaltimes, for sure that we know,
and sure they blocked hisaccount.
But why not take it a stepfurther and block, you know, I
don't know an IP address?
Is that possible?
It people out there, it's gotto be possible possible it
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people out there.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
It's got to be possible, especially for, I mean
, there needs to be a level ofsecurity that's amplified when
it comes to physical bodily harmor threat against another
person like yeah, my gosh I meangreat, you banned his profile.
But exactly as they say I mean,this isn't just somebody who
said something stupid on youknow or posted something they
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shouldn't have.
This is, this is a sex offender.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So we need to do a little more.
Hopefully they learned fromthis, I don't know.
So victim number two so thatthe rest of the stories that I
have are all excerpts fromvictims that were given either
in their testimony or duringvictim impact statements,
because we already know theywent to court and we already
know he's in jail.
So these are.
I just want to share the restof these story.
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They're all, of course, muchshorter, but I think it's
important that each of them havea voice.
So victim number three sat downwith CBS news for an interview.
Through teary eyes she said Ishould have never been able to
even match with him because Ishould have never been able to
make, or he should have neverbeen able to make, another
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account.
She told reporters that afterseveral drinks with Matthews at
his home, she blacked out andunderwent a rape kit the next
day.
The test indicated that she didhave intercourse, which she
does not remember.
According to an arrestaffidavit for Matthewsews, he
claims the sex was consensual.
Of course, regardless of hisaccount, he was charged with
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three felonies for her rape.
Which, yay.
All of this happened due tomeeting him on hinge two and a
half years after the site saidit had banned him.
If they had listened to themultitude of reports that they
had received about this personand just banned him in the first
place, I would not be sittinghere today having this
conversation she told CBS News.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
But it's like they maintained that they banned him,
but they obviously whateverthey're using in order to ban a
person wasn't enough enough.
They didn't do enough and theydidn't look into it after the
first time that he got throughtheir supposed banning.
They didn't do enough to ensurethat he couldn't do it again,
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and so he kept reoffending.
This is so disturbing, and I'msure it's not just applicable to
him.
Oh yeah, I'm sure this isprevalent in all of the
different dating sites, but oh,my goodness, we've got to do
better.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
People come on because this is the main way, I
think, that people meet peoplenow.
Yeah, so it's like yeah, justbecause you're a doctor, please
have your like sensors on guys.
I mean, this is scary yeah,this is good information.
Victim number four was drugged,filmed and sent home with
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injuries.
She shared that the entireencounter lasted one hour and 27
minutes.
He drugged her, filmed theassault, ripped her underwear,
caused a head wound and put herin a rideshare home.
Who is this monster?
Caused a head wound and put herin a ride share home monster.
At the trial, she was forced towatch about 13 minutes of his
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video recording as evidence,including him setting up the
phone and climbing on top of hertorture.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
And how dare they do that to her to re traumatize her
?
This is disgusting, absolutelydisgusting, absolutely
disgusting.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
The prosecution was absolutely disgraceful.
Oh my gosh.
Victim number five texted himafterward asking her why her
underwear and tights were rippedopen.
She says he gaslit her blamingalcohol.
Seeking answers, she went backto his house, of course with
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buyer's remorse of course.
She continued, adding thatwhile the defendant is presumed
innocent until proven guilty,the victims in this case were
presumed by the defense to belying until it could be proven
that they were telling the truth.
I had to convince strangersthat the worst day of my life
happened, she said she has apoint yeah, victim number six
escaped barefoot in sub-freezingweather.
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She recounted coming to duringthe assault and then blocking
out again in a haze.
She ran out of the townhousebarefoot into the below freezing
temperatures to get away, andothers similarly also recalled
being kicked out while stilldrug impaired that's so scary
because they could die out inthat cold weather, especially if
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they were drugged and theypassed out with below freezing
weather Gone.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Victim number seven called the trial.
In quote appalling amount ofgaslighting and victim blaming,
end quote not just by Matthewsbut his defense attorneys.
The defense team played a videoof her in the courtroom that
Matthews recorded on a cellphone while she was in his home.
The woman, who was actuallyskilled in gymnastics, said that
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she saw the video along witheveryone else in the courtroom
for the first time and watchedher ability to control her body
fade as she attempted anunsuccessful cartwheel.
The defense made jokes at myexpense and even gave me an
Olympic score on the cartwheel,she said.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
These assholes, these assholes.
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I'm like shaking reading this.
It makes me so mad.
So these were composite themesfor multiple victims who
testified during the trial andthrough sentencing coverage.
Many described nearly identicalpatterns.
They matched on.
I did see tinder and hinge andthen a quick escalation to his
townhouse, suddendisproportionate intoxication
after limited alcohol, memorygaps, waking up naked or
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partially clothed and latergaslighting.
He told them they had, you know, simply drank too much.
One survivor called him anarcissistic monster and several
said we are a powerful army ofsurvivors.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Oh my gosh this makes me so sick.
Listen, thank you for bringingthis up.
This is so important becauseyou know we think we're being
smart, like, okay, this guy sayshe's a doctor.
I'm going to go online and lookup his NPI.
Is he really a doctor?
Blah, blah, blah.
That doesn't guarantee he's nota sociopath.
Blah, blah, blah.
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That doesn't guarantee he's nota sociopath.
And all of these women havingthe same story and getting
basically degraded andhumiliated by, let's face it,
white men in the courtroom whoare judging them as being less
than because they consented togo back to this guy's place I
mean, the one was just going tothe bathroom when they were
walking the dog.
But even if it wasn't that, noone deserves to be assaulted.
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And you know it's so hard toprove that you were drugged or
whatever, unless someone ispaying attention and tests you
at the time.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And he was smart.
He took them all home.
I saw so many stories likenearly all of the stories that I
read test you at the time.
And he was smart, he took themall home.
I saw so many stories likenearly all of the stories that I
read he like brings them home.
They play like jenga.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Jenga was in several stories, something so wholesome,
so wholesome and, like youwould do with a kid, yeah yeah,
he had a hot tub.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Oh, let's do some hot tub time, yeah and like.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So any one of us could have fallen prey to that,
like some, and I'm.
I don't know what he looks like, but I'm assuming he's no, but
I'm assuming he's charismatic.
Yeah, you know, he's something.
He must be because, you know,women aren't stupid.
Something is attracting themother than just the fact that
he's a cardiologist.
But he's obviously very smart.
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You can't be a cardiologistunless you have some brain power
.
And then he's charismatic,which makes him either a
sociopath or a psychopath.
And he lures them into thissituation where he drugs them
and then convinces them that itwas their fault that they had
too much to drink.
Yeah, because he's humiliatingthem.
But you know what, even if Iwill maintain that even if a
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woman is drunk and you take herback to your place and take
advantage of her, that's on you.
That's still not consent.
So, but the fact that this wasa clear pattern of women with
memory gaps and I just wish Idon't know.
So tell me more about how he'sin jail, because I didn't hear
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the outcome.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
And we will get to that.
You guys will be very, veryhappy with the sentencing.
I will tell you that thesentencing, honestly, is so far
more beyond the stars of what weever hoped for for a sentencing
, so I will tell you that chartnote chart note get it girl look
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at these rusted vocal foldscoming back from vacation wow, I
made it a little stanky at theend there.
I liked it a little gravelly.
Welcome to the chart notesegment, alleycats, where we
learn about what's happening inmedicine and healthcare.
Okay, I actually found twothings that I wanted to share,
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but obviously I only picked one.
But there's so many excitingthings going on right now, so
today I will share with you thata groundbreaking
smartphone-based test for type 2diabetes has just launched in
the UK, with experts calling ita potential game changer for
public health.
Developed by the health techcommunity POCDOC P-O-C-D-O-C,
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the test allows people to carryout an HbA1c finger prick test
at home, then use their phone toscan the result and receive
near instant feedback.
Awesome by making diagnosispossible outside of a
traditional clinic, theinnovation aims to catch cases
that often go undetected,particularly among adults over
40 who may not attend routinehealth checks.
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Awesome the technology isalready being rolled out in NHS
trusts across Cumbria and theNortheast, with nationwide
expansion planned later thisyear.
The launch closely aligns withthe government's long-term NHS
strategy, which emphasizesearlier disease detection and
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shifting diagnostics intocommunities and homes.
Officials believe it couldsignificantly reduce the number
of people who suffer severecomplications such as heart
attacks, stroke and kidneydisease, all of which are linked
to untreated or late diagnoseddiabetes.
The need for this is urgent.
Around 5.2 million people inthe UK are living with type 2
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diabetes, while another 1.3million remain undiagnosed.
The condition already costs NHS9 billion euros a year in
related complications, and earlydetection could cut both
hospital admissions andmortality rates.
For POC Docs CEO, steven Roist,the project has a deeply
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personal motivation, which Ilove.
His father suffered adevastating stroke in his early
40s due to undiagnosedcardiovascular disease, an
experience that inspired him todevelop tools that prevent such
tragedies for others.
The test also arrives just asthe government announced a major
overhaul of diabetes care.
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Under new plans, 750,000patients with cardiovascular
disease or early onset diabeteswill gain earlier access to
so-called fat jabs, soinjectable treatments previously
reserved for later stages ofthe disease.
Together, these measures signalI mean.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I'm just reading from the article, I know, but we can
think of a better name for that, right?
Guys, Come on guys, hey UK.
Guys, Come on guys, hey UK.
What?
Come on UK.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
We're more sensitive over in America, maybe with an
accent it's not so insulting.
We can't say things like that.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Insulting fat jabs.
Fat jabs I'm going to get me afat jab.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
It sounds nicer when you say it like that.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I love a fat jab of an evening.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
So together, these measures signal a shift in how
the UK plans to tackle one ofits fastest growing health care
crisis, with the smartphone testat the heart of efforts to
bring diagnosis directly intopeople's hands, and I just love
when technology like we're usingtechnology to innovate and like
bring it home capture thosepeople that we would not have
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normally captured.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, I think this is a great story.
I think I mean a story.
It's not just a story.
I think this is wonderful, thatthis is happening, absolutely.
Yep, wait till you hear mypower to the people woo, woo,
woo, go, uk Go.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
UK.
Are you guys ready to get backto the story?
I mean?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
as long as he gets arrested, okay, you promised me
that.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, it's a really good sentencing.
Okay, yeah, all right.
Okay, so Mr Matthews wasarrested in March 2023 after a
woman reported to Denver policethat she had been drugged during
a date and sexually assaultedin the defendant's home.
The following month,investigators said that they
believed Matthews may have beeninvolved in other incidents and
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urged any other potentialvictims to contact Denver police
.
Stephen Matthews' attorney,Douglas Cohen, maintained that
his client was innocent.
He said that the case is a rushto judgment and it's a matter
of buyer's remorse and talltales.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Buyer's remorse he wasn't a sex worker, people
weren't paying money and thenfeeling regret like man, I
didn't get what I paid for.
No, he took what wasn't onoffer, all right sorry, yeah,
I'll shut up.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Thank you, douglas cohen douchebag.
Okay, he said he, as in mrcohen, said that what had been
reported was horrible but thatthere was no weight to it.
And you know they would behappy to help authorities with
investigation yeah, and it'slike you know what.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Well then, good, let's just castrate the guy and
there won't be a problem anymore.
Are you happy?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
like that.
I guess, if you're hired as theattorney, like you can't really
be like, yeah, you're right,you're a douchebag, let's put
you in jail, like you have to doyour job.
But I'm just like, do you haveto say those kind of things that
, like, humiliates the victimseven further?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
You have to do your job.
No, you don't have to say thosekind of things.
You could say no, you can say,dude, you can get some therapy
and express remorse and we'llget you a lighter sentence.
You don't have to go.
Ah well, it's the victim'sfault, you know, because they're
women, Exactly, and because youknow we can just blame it on
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silly women, little drinks, andit's all their fault.
Oh my gosh.
Okay, that probably would havewent a long way stupid women,
silly women, they just get sogiggly.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Okay, so then matthews was arrested again in
may.
So march, april, may, twomonths later, in 2023, of course
, after nine, nine more womenwent to police with similar
allegations, with some of themdating back to 2019.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah Well, they finally had the courage because
they weren't alone.
I mean, when you think you'realone in this situation and
you're shaming, you're feelingshamed, you're blaming yourself,
and then when you hear like no,you know, this wasn't right,
that validates the fact that youshouldn't feel shameful, but
then it also emboldens you tosay, well, I don't want this to
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happen to other women and we allneed to band together.
So good for them.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
They said all of them that they had met him online
met for drinks lost some oftheir memory and in the
aftermath, according to anarrest, or they lost their
memory in the aftermath,according to the arrest
affidavit.
By the end of the investigation, police recommended multiple
charges in connection with thereports.
The district attorney filedcharges in connection with 11 of
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their cases.
Of those, nine reported that hesexually assaulted them.
The allegations resulted in 38total charges, which of course
he pleaded not guilty to.
But because there were 38 totalcharges, which of course he
pleaded not guilty to butbecause there were 38 total
charges he pleaded not guiltythe case was sent to trial.
Stephen Matthews had adeliberate and very particular
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way of identifying and selectingthe targets that he would
eventually perpetrate against aprosecutor said during closing
arguments.
The prosecutor went on to saythis is an obvious, obvious case
of a man who feels entitled toperpetrate against women for his
own benefit by robbing them ofmemory, by robbing them of
bodily autonomy and by impairingtheir memories, only to have
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them come in and testify andcriticize them for the fact that
their memories don't exist.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
I love that too.
How would you stand up,Matthews, if we gave you the
same drug?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, he wouldn't because guess what.
He didn't say one peep theentire time this was at trial.
He just cried, sobbed hislittle crocodile tears.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
That was probably the smartest thing his defense
attorneys did is not let himstand trial like stand and give
testimony.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Well, spoiler alert, they told him not to say
anything and I know we got tokeep going on with the story,
but they told him not to sayanything because he's going to
appeal it.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Oh, of course, all right, sorry, I'll shut up now.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Matthew's attorney held strong in that it was all
untrue or that the prosecutionlacked evidence telling the jury
.
Don't let the volume ofaccusations override your common
sense and your reasonableness.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Don't let the volume of evidence you know suggest
this guy's a serial offender.
You know, just because we havea bunch of women that are saying
the same thing under oath, thathonestly have nothing to lose
and in fact everything to loseby coming forward and admitting
to what in society is a shamefuladmission that you, you know,
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hooked up with someone from adating app and they say you
drank too much and you say youwere drugged.
I mean, this was in nobody'sbenefit, this didn't benefit
anybody.
So to come forward took so muchcourage and so much just
overcoming of this trauma to beable to get this guy to face
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charges.
Like I'm so angry, I'm just soangry, but bless these women
that came forward.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yes, okay, I was like where am I?
The victim impact statementswere powerful and had a running
theme that they'd never be ableto remember but also never able
to forget.
The victims couldn't recalleverything from their attacks,
but what they did remember has alifelong effect on them and
their loved ones.
Many of those victims metMatthews on dating apps, as we
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know.
One described him as checkingmany boxes.
He was active, good looking,had a good career and a dog.
He used my softness as a reasonto target me.
One woman said Very insightful,because all of the messages to
Matthews were very clear we area powerful army of survivors and
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you are nothing.
I hope everyone you knowbetrays you and hurts you.
You won't get the opportunityto hurt anybody else.
If it's the last thing Iaccomplish, stephen Matthews, it
is now time for the life youdeserve life behind bars without
the possibility of getting out.
The women, as well as theprosecutors, also expressed
astonishment and frustrationwith some of the comments made
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by Matthew's defense team, whichwe've already said we hated too
.
The defense also welcomedMatthew's loved ones to speak in
front of the courtroom.
His parents, stepfather, sisterand brother all addressed the
court and we're going to hateall of it.
So just a fair warning, okay.
His stepfather said Matthewshas spent the time since his
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conviction reflecting on hisactions and how they have
impacted other people and thathe hopes Matthews will find
purpose in his sentencing.
His mother detailed obstaclesMatthews faced growing up, such
as stress in her marriage,delayed speech and and ADHD, all
before he went on to hisacceptance at a medical college.
She said he'd benefit fromintense rehabilitation.
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She told Matthews that sheloved him, which, yeah, I guess,
whatever you're the mom butJesus.
Matthews' father said that hewas moved by the victim's
statements and said so manylives were impacted.
He said his son has alcoholismand rehabilitation can treat it
so he can become a productivemember of society.
He called forgiveness the mostimportant healing factor.
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Matthew's siblings also spoke.
His sister, who is a motherwith three daughters, said that
she is an advocate for women anda sexual assault survivor
herself.
She said her brother could be aperson of value in this world,
but it depends on his choicesmoving forward.
She asked the judge to considera sentence that included
treatment instead of lifeimprisonment.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Matthew's brother.
A trial lawyer said that he wasnot there to defend his brother
but didn't believe he saw anyevidence that should have led to
a conviction.
But they all are kind of givinga similar message like okay,
can we give him the benefit ofthe doubt, can he be treated?
We love him, can he berehabilitated to be a productive
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member of society?
So I get all of that Likethere's nothing you know.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
I just was so angry from reading all this that I'm
like no, he's going to jail.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, there's nothing that I take umbrage with until
we get to Matthew's brother, thetrial lawyer.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
That there was not enough evidence.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
He was like there's no evidence.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Were you only there on the last day, sir, then?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Okay, dude, yeah, there is, Settle down.
But everybody else was verytelling they weren't like, oh,
he could never do this, we can'tbelieve it.
They were like, yeah, but canwe, you know, forgive him, can
we rehabilitate him, can we takemercy on him?
Which I think is, you know, ina family who's grieving, because
they're also grieving the factthat their beloved family member
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is, you know, an offender, youknow that's the best they could
hope.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
I know, but let us be mad.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Right, right, offender.
You know that's the best theycould hope, I know, but let us
be mad, right, right.
So all of that, except for hisbrother, can go to hell all
right, like how did my baby boygrow up to be like this?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
not possible, okay.
So I was gonna play the judgesentencing.
The whole video is online and Ithought it was very powerful,
but we're already at 44 minutesand it's 12 minute video, so
maybe I'll read it because I'llbe faster than him.
so because our medical mishap isa long one again, because I was
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like this is a short story, I'mgoing to pick a long medical
mishap.
So in an effort to not keep youguys here for 900 hours, I will
go ahead and read judge EricJohnson's final statement to
Stephen Matthews in thesentencing hearing.
He said it's late and I won'tdo a lot except to just begin,
which is kind of what I justsaid.
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So that's kind of funny.
Contrary to other assertions,the evidence in this case is
overwhelming.
The evidence of guilt isoverwhelming.
In here today there is a roomfull of pain and this is pain
that you have caused yourvictims so much suffering.
None of it deserved.
I also acknowledge, in thisroom full of pain, your family
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and that you have caused them tosuffer, which you just talked
about.
Your family had to hear thepain and suffering that you have
caused victims directed at them, your family, just which you
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just talked about.
On them will be a heavy burdenthat they will bear the rest of
their lives.
I am sure they raised you better, mr Matthews.
You have diminished this world.
You have dimmed many of itslights, you've hurt our society
and it's a darker place becauseof you.
You've brought disgrace uponyourself.
You've brought disgrace uponthat name that was given to you.
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That was a pure and clean namethe day your parents gave it to
you.
You even managed to ruin datingapplications in what should
have been technology, with areally fun upside, with the
opportunity to meet people youcouldn't have otherwise met.
You know, maybe fall in love,maybe have a family.
Now it's just something elsefor girls and young women to
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fear as another danger zone.
It is my understanding that someof these jurors are still
listening.
I want to thank them again.
They sacrificed one month oftheir life to do their duty to
our system under theConstitution.
Their sacrifice cannot beappreciated enough.
You listened to the evidence.
You held the prosecution totheir burden of truth.
You did your duty and I thankyou.
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You know, mr Cohen, youmentioned in your closing
statement that these women wentto his apartment and they drank.
Good Lord, I wish this trial hadbeen videotaped and I wish a
tape of this trial could beplayed in every university and
everyone in this country couldwatch it, because we would have
been programmed to believe thatvictims will act a certain way
and, if there is anything thiscase proved, beyond your guilt,
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beyond a reasonable doubt, isthat how we think victims are
going to react is 100% wrong.
How we think they should act iscompletely misguided.
And if anyone thinks they knowhow they're going to react until
they're faced with the pressureand in that situation you have
no idea, you are completelywrong.
Very briefly to the victims Istarted my career out in
(46:01):
Jefferson County and this wasnot my case, but I was in the
office when Detective StaceyGalbraith of the Golden Police
Department and Detective EdnaHendershot of the Westminster
Police Department believed avictim.
I was in the courtroom whenthey judge-sentenced Mark
O'Leary, a serial rapist whichis now a Netflix series called
(46:26):
Unbelievable.
And now I find myself havingpresided over this trial.
I'll add Detective JenniferLott and Detective Andrew Como
to the names I will remember.
And you were believed.
The verdict says that, and theVenn diagram between not proven
and innocent is not a circle.
As I sit up here in this robe, Iam not Eric Johnson.
I represent the law, Irepresent the rule of the law, I
(46:49):
represent society, and it doesfall to me to hand out
punishment, and a punishmentthat is commensurate with the
social contract that you'vebreached so egregiously, I will
sentence you.
I cannot heal.
Many of you are here forclosure and I hate that I will
not be able to provide you thatclosure.
Closure comes from within.
It will come from you and comefrom your family.
(47:11):
The best thing that you can dois live well, live happily, and
I wish you peace.
As a preliminary issue, I know Iheard from some victims of
non-charged testimony.
I appreciate the statements butunder our law I cannot consider
uncharged statements.
So I am not.
As I said, I will issue asentencing order.
(47:32):
I calculate the maximum as Iindicated.
If the sex assaults do mergeinto one to each victim.
The second degree does not.
The maximum is 158 years.
You will have to register as asex offender.
I will not waive any fines orcosts.
You can pay for those.
(47:52):
I will declare you indignant.
You may proceed in formersomething.
Blah, blah, blah.
I couldn't make out what hesaid and I will refer to the
office of the public defender torepresent you in your appeal.
This kind of drones on, of likein charges of counts 4, 8, 12,
18, 30, 34, 38, you know, likeall of those.
(48:15):
Basically, to summarize therest of this, he says that each
woman should be treated as aseparate case and be charged as
such.
And so he gets 12 years for onecharge per each woman.
Yeah, so 12 years times eight.
And there were some other, likethird degree assault and
(48:38):
whatever, in there too.
well, thank god for that,because he was not gonna
rehabilitate, he was gonnare-offend so the total number of
years was 158 years in prisonand that is what he was charged,
you guys.
Yes, I, and I think he saidsomething in there too, but
again, I didn't want to drone onon you guys, but he said, like
(49:03):
I do believe, interesting yeah,I'd like.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
I do believe you would do this again.
So I mean it doesn't matter,because who he turned out to be
is all that matters, and he'sgoing to be away for life.
Yay.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
And so we're very happy.
He got 158 years Love.
That See you never, thank God.
But he is going to try andappeal, so we'll see where that
goes.
But as for who he is, where hisbackground, where he grew up,
blah, blah, blah, whatever,there's no credible publicly
available information on any ofthat, at least not from any
(49:33):
reputable news outlets or courtdocuments.
Yeah, and I was like,truthfully, after a quick search
didn't yield anything, I waslike I'm not looking much harder
, I don't care, I don't care whoyou are, I don't care who you
were, I'm so happy you're goneforever.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, that's so important.
Thank you for bringing this up,because you know our daughters,
our friends, our cousins, our,our sisters, like everyone needs
to know, and even our brothers,that that, that this is a.
This is one of the risks thatwe take, unfortunately.
Yeah, with online dating andeven if you do all the
(50:10):
background checks, you know like, oh yeah, this person is a
highly rated.
They actually are.
They say they are because a lotof times people buy about that.
But you get past that barrier.
You think, well, he really isand he has a dog, he really is a
surgeon.
You know nobody not to victim,like no one did anything wrong.
My point is, I guess you can'ttrust anyone, which is a really
(50:34):
sad, sad state of of being.
But like, go have coffee in apublic place and like, make sure
you don't go to the bathroomand come back and drink I mean,
it could be a coffee cup.
Like gosh, I've turned intosuch a cynic, but you never know
where these people are andhopefully it's not the majority,
(50:54):
but it's enough to have ruinedthese nine women's lives.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
And so if you or someone you know has been
affected by sexual violence,confidential help is available
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Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, but you think, to be a cardiologist you have to
go through medical school,which is no small feat, and then
you have to do four to fiveyears.
What is it?
Four to five, sometimes sevenyears of residency?
That exhibits a high level ofcommitment.
And you know, let that justgoes to show it doesn't mean
(51:43):
that commitment and intelligencedoesn't place a person at no
alcohol, being an abuser so, oran offender, so great, wonderful
.
So when your mom tells you Ijust want you to meet a doctor,
you can say you know whatthey're all equally subject to.
(52:07):
You know scrutiny.
So let's just meet someonewho's nice, that doesn't hurt
people.
I don't know.
Given what I know from thesestories, I'm not anti.
I'm just don't know.
Given what I know from thesestories, I'm not anti.
I just don't trust myself.
Yeah, great, but like I guessmy point is, it's not like these
(52:29):
people were the victims in thiscase, weren't wary or did
anything wrong to be on tinderand match with this guy and go
well, you like dogs, you likethis, like that, I'll just meet
you and see how it goes.
I mean, there wasn't any.
How would you do it differently?
Speaker 2 (52:50):
I guess we go.
I don't know well if I figureout how I had told adam like to
avoid this, I don't, probably afew years into our relationship.
You know, my god, if, if weever broke up like I don't know,
probably a few years into ourrelationship, like, oh my God,
if we ever broke up like I don'tthink I'd ever date again
Because people are on datingwebsites, I don't think you
could do that.
Like dating apps, what?
Yeah, I don't have good luck.
Yeah, I mean, I had good luck.
(53:19):
Do not click on thecardiologist.
But if you do join a dating app, I want to help you swipe.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yeah, especially a psychopath is going to be
charismatic.
It's not like you're going tohave any warning signs.
You're going to be like, oh,not like you're going to have
any warning signs.
You're going to be like, ohyeah yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
And, like the judge said, it gives you an
opportunity to meet people youwould never otherwise have met.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
I mean, and this wasn't even like, hey, baby,
come see my artwork.
It was like I got to let my dogout real quick.
I mean so clever becausethere's no risk there.
It's like, oh, it's a quickthing I relate to because I also
have a dog.
It's just sinister, Like Idon't know how I personally
would be able to avoid that kindof trap.
(54:06):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
I would have been drugged andsorry the next day.
So, okay, I'm going to single,single for life.
But listen, uh, one needssustenance while one's single
and and seeking comfort, yeah,or when you're not.
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Spe (55:47):
S-t-a-y-s-u-s-p-i-c-i-o-u-s right red day I would have had
all the same thoughts, hmm, andI like the gal that was like he
had a dog, I had a dog and like,oh, can we go home to let my
dog out?
(56:07):
Like that one just resonatedwith me because like I have a
dog and I totally wouldunderstand that.
Yeah, I would be like you'reright, I would never want my dog
to be sitting there needing togo out.
So like abso-fucking-lutely,let's go, let your dog out.
And also, I want to pet theshit out of your dog.
I would have done, I would golet your dog out and also I want
to pet the shit out of your dog.
I would have done.
I would have been in her shoes.
(56:28):
No, I would have been in hershoes.
Yeah, okay, yeah, we still havea three page medical Thank you.
Oh, okay, we ready for our laststory Ready.
So this is another luckyinsight sent to us by a nurse
(56:52):
that worked in the er.
So, just like last time, wekind of get that inside.
Look to what a day in the lifeof an er nurses.
So hold on to your hats, guys.
This is a really sad story,yeah, all right.
So the call comes into theemergency department via
ambulance to report a patient,mid forties, who was
unresponsive, with difficultybreathing.
The room prep was standard withnot much more information to go
(57:13):
off of Upon arrival.
The patient was a female withan apparent, significant medical
history of Down syndrome.
Now, with the patient havingsaid history, it is important to
note that it is not uncommonfor patients with Down syndrome
to have medical history of otherhealth conditions, such as
congenital heart defects,hearing and vision problems,
(57:33):
thyroid concerns, usuallyhypothyroidism, and a weakened
immune system resulting inincreased susceptibility to
infections.
That aside, the patient wasotherwise healthy, with no other
health concerns.
The patient, upon presentation,was breathing and did have a
pulse, but was completelyunresponsive to all other
(57:53):
stimuli.
Other important information tonote per EMS report, the patient
resides at a group homefull-time and was found by group
home staff on the ground agroup home full-time and was
found by group home staff on theground.
The report indicated that thepatient likely was on the floor
for three days and that theywere diagnosed four to five days
ago with a non-specific viralillness, viral illness which is
(58:17):
then not COVID influenza A or Band not RSV.
Iv access was attempted butcould not be obtained by EMS.
I immediately attempted to gainIV access but found that the
patient was wearing whatappeared to be a one-piece
footed pajama.
I instructed other staff toassist in cutting off the
(58:37):
clothing.
Once the clothing was removed,it was immediately visible that
the patient was dark, purple toalmost black from the navel down
to lower extremities and alsofrom approximately her bicep to
the end of her fingers.
Iv access was attempted inmultiple locations but unable to
be acquired due to shunting ofblood flow.
(58:59):
All of her vascular structureshad collapsed.
I immediately asked anothernurse to place multiple IOs,
which is intraosseous vascularaccess, which is another IV
strategy and asked the providerfor central arterial access.
At this time the vitals werefully applied and patient's
blood pressure was noted to besignificantly hypotensive,
(59:22):
approximately 40 to 50 over 18to 30.
I distinctly remember that thelowest patient's diastolic
pressure was visualized at thetime being 18 mmHg.
At that point I then noticedthat the patient appeared not to
be breathing.
I immediately asked anotherstaff member to start bagging.
(59:46):
While I attempted to find apulse, no palpable pulse was
felt at the radial or ulnarsites.
I then attempted to palpitatethe femoral pulse.
Due to lack of palpable pulseat radial ulnar sites and
possibly missed pulse due to thepatient's body habituous, I
also instructed another nurse onthe team to attempt to
palpitate the carotid pulse.
(01:00:06):
Both myself and another nursewere in agreement that no pulse
was present and thedetermination to immediately
start advanced cardiac lifesupport measures were made.
So that is ACLS, if peopledidn't know.
So CPR was started and a nurseshowed up quickly with a Lucas
device, which is an automaticCPR machine, if you didn't know.
(01:00:29):
While this nurse was justtrying to be helpful, the idea
had to be quickly dismissedbecause the patient was too wide
for proper Lucas applicationand function Manual CPR was
continued by myself rotatingwith another nurse and a patient
care technician, continued bymyself rotating with another
nurse and a patient caretechnician, following protocol
of ACLS with regards to medadministration and proper
testing and pulse checksresulted in no improvement or
(01:00:52):
return of spontaneouscirculation.
At provider's orders, beforestopping, the patient was given
calcium gluconate and sodiumbicarb.
And then they wrote sodiumbicarb has been shown to have no
real difference in survivalrates and calcium gluconate is
not recommended due to thepossibility of increased
mortality rate, unless one isexperiencing cardiac arrest due
(01:01:13):
to hyperkalemia.
Upon receiving the dose ofmedications, the patient
achieved a return of spontaneouscirculation, which is known by
ROSC.
This was determined by a returnof palpable pulses, inframural
and carotid, by myself andanother nurse, as well as a
(01:01:34):
bedside echo which showedcardiac movement.
The patient, however, was stillventilated.
Due to the patient's continuedhypotension, despite rapid
infusion of fluids, decision wasmade to start the patient on
pressors.
The patient was initiallystarted on the standard protocol
, which is norepinephrine, whichwas quickly maxed out.
(01:01:55):
The provider then placed anorder of epinephrine to be
started, as well as an adjunctto the norepinephrine.
This pressor was also quicklymaxed out, again with minimal
improvement.
The provider then orderedvasopressin to be administered
after administration andconsequently maxing out the dose
as well.
With regards to the currentguidelines, stating that there's
(01:02:17):
no firm upper guidelines andthat providers may exceed if
benefit outweighs the risk, theprovider decided to allow for
PRN doses of phenylephrinepushes to be administered by
myself as needed for improvementof blood pressure.
If you do not know, this PRNmeans as needed.
(01:02:39):
Labs at this time were showingsignificant hyperkalemia and
significant lactic acidosis.
Blood cultures were, of course,obtained as well, but would not
be back for some time.
It was at this point that Inoticed a sudden change on the
patient's cardiac monitor andimmediately checked the
patient's femoral pulse andasked another nurse to again
check the carotid, whichdetermined that the patient was
(01:03:00):
again pulseless and CPR wasstarted again.
Approximately 30 minutes hadpassed since the patient
achieved return of spontaneouscirculation.
One round of CPR was performedwith one dose of epinephrine
then still resulted in thepatient being in cardiac rhythm
that was determined to bepulseless electrical activity.
The provider made the decisionto again administer sodium
(01:03:24):
bicarb and calcium gluconate,which resulted in spontaneous
circulation being achieved againon the next pulse check.
At this point, the patient'sparents and one of her brothers
arrived.
While talking with the family,the patient again went into PEA
and CPR was started.
(01:03:45):
The provider immediatelyordered another dose of sodium
bicarb, but to hold the calciumgluconate.
This time the patient againachieved that spontaneous
circulation and the family madethe decision that if the patient
were to go into cardiac arrestagain, that life-saving measures
would not be continued.
However, they did want thepatient's other two brothers to
(01:04:08):
be able to say goodbye, were togo into cardiac arrest again,
that life-saving measures wouldnot be continued.
However, they did want thepatient's other two brothers to
be able to say goodbye.
I asked the patient's parentswhat the ETA was for the
brothers and they said roughly45 minutes.
I was sure to express to thefamily that it is unlikely that
the patient would be able tomaintain for that long and if
the brothers were not there yet,they would likely have to, you
know, do the life-savingmeasures.
(01:04:29):
And then the family decided notto.
I then asked everyone to leavethe room so that the family
could have some privacy in whatwas likely their final moments.
I monitored vital signsremotely during this time and
noted that the patient had died37 minutes after the decision
was made to stop life-savingefforts.
The brothers had arrived 52minutes from the time the
(01:04:51):
parents shared they were ontheir way.
The patient's family asked forthe patient to be cleaned up so
that her brothers wouldn't haveto see her in such a state, with
all the tubes and everything.
Unfortunately, I had to informthe family that we weren't able
to remove all of those thingsbecause the patient would need
to be examined by the medicalexaminer, as is, because it was
likely the case could be that ofmaltreatment, neglect and or
(01:05:14):
abuse.
The family was understandablyvery upset, but they understood
the reasoning for such a rule.
This patient had a nonspecificviral illness illness, basically
a cold or a viral sinusinfection.
Yes, she had down syndrome, butshe was otherwise healthy
individual who had had hundredsof colds in her lifetime, just
(01:05:34):
like the rest of us.
She did not have to die.
She died because she couldn'tget up on her own and staff did
not do their job to support her.
I later learned that the deathwas determined to be a
combination of septic shock withsevere hyperkalemia due to her
lying on the floor for what waslater more precisely estimated
to be 78 hours In the group home.
Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Holy cow, that's a week.
That's a week.
I mean holy shit.
Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Yeah.
So I did like reach out to thisperson and was like, oh my god,
thank you so much for sharingthis.
And they did share with me ifwe can find one silver lining in
this really horrific story thatthe group home has since closed
.
Like this was a big case andthen the group home closed,
isn't that so, so sad.
Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
It's so tragic, oh my God.
Don't trust group homes.
I don't know.
Now, what are we learning?
We don't trust cardiologists onTinder and we don't trust group
homes.
Holy crap, this is so sad.
Okay, well, yeah, oh my God,amanda.
(01:06:44):
Well, yeah, oh my god, amanda,it's so important to to know
these things happen, and thefact that this nurse allowed us
an inside view, because thatjust never happens we're lucky
yeah, we're lucky we are luckyto be provided this insight when
(01:07:05):
we read these, isn't it like ithelps.
Holy shit, this is someone's day, not even their day, guys these
are the things to look out fortheir day, or it's really
eye-opening.
No you, just because they're ina group home doesn't mean
they're not gonna lie on thefloor for three days.
Oh my God, oh my God.
Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
I can't trust anyone, just like one of your Alpine
Manor story from a hundred weeksago.
Just because they're in aassisted living place doesn't
mean they're not having awaterfall fell down on their
face.
Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
I mean it's horrible.
I've been reading a book, anannual book about so maybe you
can bring us to a brighter notehere.
Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Maybe doubt it, who knows?
What can we expect to hear next?
Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
week, but I don't know if I'm going to get the
book done.
So we're either going to talkabout a nasty arse doctor we
love Ann Arl that needs to beheld to justice, or a surprise
Surprise story.
So stay tuned, folks.
Either way, you're going tohear about Anthony Pignataro
(01:08:09):
someday soon.
Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Or a surprise doctor that has to be held to justice.
Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
As she says.
Ever since she was a toddler,she says can I get a surprise
Surprise?
Yeah, yeah, baby, you can get asome prize.
Perfect yeah.
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Oh boy, Get it girl.
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