September 17, 2025 • 53 mins
When 24-year-old Michelle Herndon was found dead in her Gainesville home, nothing seemed immediately amiss. No signs of struggle, no forced entry – just a vibrant young woman inexplicably gone. But a single empty bathroom trash can would unravel a disturbing case of obsession, betrayal, and medical knowledge turned deadly.
This case stands as a haunting reminder of how specialized knowledge can become weaponized in the hands of someone with wounded pride and access to dangerous tools. After a trial presenting overwhelming evidence including DNA matches and traced hospital medications, O'Quinn received life without parole – justice served, though nothing could restore the bright life extinguished by his narcissistic revenge.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Amanda Jenna, hi you.
Hey, I've got to ask you areyou feeling better this week?
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I can't go that low anymore.
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Welcome back.
Thank you To the better.
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Thank you to everyone for bearing through my gravel
voice listen, are you enjoyingour second summer?
No, I'm not actually.
Thank you for asking.
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I hate it it was freaking 90 degrees yesterday.
I got all my sweaters out.
Now I'm like the heck.
It was 88 yesterday, or 89yesterday and 88 today.
What the heck.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
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weekend.
I was like this sucks, what ishappening?
I like bought ingredients forsoup season and I'm like this is
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Please fall, come.
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I did buy cans of pumpkin too.
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lot of UK listeners.
I love you guys.
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30 Celsius, double it, now 30.
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hot, hot, hot.
So we're talking sick.
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Yeah, we're just getting in themood, just getting the mood for
pumpkin, spice, candles andspooky season, and here we are
summering away.
You know what?
I'm gonna regret every singlething that I've said.
In about a month I'm going tobe like Amanda, amanda, what the
hell.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
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Speaker 1 (02:16):
I want open window season.
Let's can we do a crisp 60s toearly 70s please?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Like I'm not ready for the snow, but can we have
like just, can we just like turnthe dial down on the heat a
little bit, please, sick of it.
There's this guy that I saw onTikTok and he is like there's
just something about this crispfall air and he's like and when
you stomp on a crunchy leaf,like I don't know, he's like
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saying it like all surfboarderguy.
It's really funny.
But I was like, yes, sir yeah,and they.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
We also have a lot of walnut trees in our backyard
and so if you go outside youhear a lot of I don't know if
you can hear that listeners,listeners but it's teeth
grinding on things and thatwould be the crickles, as my
kids call them forever.
I mean, my kids are adults now,but they used to say crickles,
(03:15):
so we always say crickles.
The crickles are chewing on thewalnuts and then they hide them
everywhere, and occasionallythey'll gift them to us by
putting it on the center door orby the car, and it's like oh
cute, you're welcome for thecorn cobs that we gave you
anything else new.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I was gonna.
I just had a like memory ofsomething completely unrelated,
but remember that animalswimming that you sent last
night in a text I don't rememberwhat it's called oh, the ocelot
, oh yeah, ocelot.
I was at a school today and,like kids, have their artwork
hanging all over like the wallsand their lockers and stuff, and
(03:58):
one of them collared one ofthose I forgot I was gonna send
a picture of it to you, oxaletto, it's not crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I mean, they come from one like pond in South
America somewhere, and mydaughter, who knows more than I
care to acknowledge aboutanimals, she said that if you
raise them the wrong way, theyturn into lizards.
So, like I think they're not,they're not meant to stay where
they are.
Goodness, they are the craziestlooking little things and
(04:28):
they're so dumb you can't putthem in with other animals or
rocks or anything, or they'llaccidentally eat them and die.
Oh my.
They look that dumb.
Yeah, we were at a, so mydaughter turned 18 and we were
at a long story short.
We were at a tattoo parlor thatapparently the security guard
was an ocelot old named deet no,dude, his name was dude and it
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was this huge tank and he wasjust like a little puppy, just
like like strolling along in histank from a to b making sure
that people who came in werelegit.
You'd follow your finger likeso cute it was kind of cute.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
At first I was like, oh, only a face a mother could
love.
And then like his body turnedand it like had an eel tail and
I was like what the is happening?
Why is it a lizard and an eel,like it is?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
it.
It looks like a committee gottogether and made a mistake.
Is what it looks like it does?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
it certainly does anyway, that's anyway, dang, I
forgot I was gonna do that.
It was so cute.
It was cuter than the one inthe tank, because the one in the
tank was like icky real lifecolors and this one was like
blue and green.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
It was cute murky colors yeah yeah, yeah.
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So correction guys our audio from last week.
I did post on social media thatthe original published version
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Jenna had explained that if youguys have automatic downloads
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The jumbled fairy came andvisited and we learned about it
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The resources for today'sepisode will be in the show
notes, and when you mentionedthat your daughter was an animal
lover earlier, it reminded meof this gal I'm going to talk
about.
So shall we?
We shall, okay, there's notrigger warnings lover.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Earlier it reminded me of this gal.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I'm going to talk about.
So shall we, we shall, okay,there's no trigger warnings, I
guess, unless you've had like astalker before oh my goodness
well, okay, not even really astalker, I don't know.
Let's get into it okay can'twait michelle herndon was born
on july 15th 1981, and grew upin Live Oak, florida on a
(09:46):
100-acre family farm.
She lived there with her olderbrother and parents.
Michelle's mother, belinda,said when Michelle was first
born I didn't really know whatto do with a girl already having
a boy.
But her dad fell right into therole, calling her his little
princess.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I know Michelle always wanted to be outside and
was a lover of animals.
She wanted to save any animalthat she found on the side of
the road, wanting to bring themhome and foster them.
Oh boy, belinda shared thattheir home was, admittedly, a
bit of a zoo from time to time,understood that she had, yes,
(10:24):
yep, I feel that yeah can relate.
Yes, but michelle had such acompassionate heart and by
middle school, michelle decidedthat her dream was to study
primates and eventually go toafrica to live among the
gorillas which I was like thatis so cool.
Wow, dream big girl.
Her future seemed bright andwide open, though michelle was
(10:48):
fighting a private battle.
She suffered from debilitatingmigraines that frequently left
her bedridden.
She had tried nearly everythingin search of relief.
Doctors prescribed hermedicines, but they offered only
fleeting help.
She experimented with herbalremedies and made repeated trips
to medical offices hoping forany answers, but nothing worked,
(11:11):
unfortunately, but Michelle wasthe type of person who kept
going anyway.
Michelle graduated high schoolin June of 1999 and moved to
Gainesville, florida, to attendthe University of.
Florida, just two weeks aftergraduation.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Go Gators, my alma mater, sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Go Gators.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Go Gators.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
She worked as a personal trainer.
Sorry, she worked as a personaltrainer while attending school
to help pay tuition.
She loved running and had thecompany of a dog that she named
Duke Duke and he was aWeimaraner.
He was a good boy.
Oh, she also had a greatrelationship with a man named
(11:54):
Jason and a best friend namedJessica.
Those closest to her were awareof her migraines and supported
her in any way that they could.
If Michelle could feel that amigraine was coming on while she
was driving, she would likecall Jessica, notify her.
Like hey, are you going to beavailable?
This is starting to come on,I'm driving.
And like, if it becomes unsafeto drive, can you come get me?
(12:17):
So, like everyone knew theywere all very supportive and
like good on her for like'm notgonna be safe soon.
Someone come get me yeah yeah,she continued to try pain
relievers, rest, caffeine toopen her blood vessels and other
herbal remedies, but again, norelief.
(12:37):
By 2005 she was wrapping up hercollege courses and her and
Jason were making big plans fortheir future together Cutie pies
.
On the night of November 10th2005, jason became increasingly
worried because he could not geta hold of Michelle.
(12:58):
She wasn't answering her phoneor returning his calls, and it
had been some time since he hadheard from her.
He drove to her house and foundthat her car was there and duke
was inside the housefrantically barking whenever he
approached.
When he called her phone, hecould hear it ringing from
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outside he called her mom to seeif she was by chance with her
or knew where she was, andexplained what was happening.
Belinda said no, you know, I'mat home in Live Oak and she
believed Michelle to be inGainesville.
Jason told Belinda I'm going tocall the police and you know
I'll call you if I have anupdate.
So Belinda then began callingMichelle's phone every five
(13:42):
minutes, eventually decided justto get in her own car and head
to Gainesville.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I mean as a mama, you would do that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Like I can't imagine that stress.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
My baby.
When Belinda arrived, she foundMichelle's home surrounded by
yellow police tape and manypolice cars.
Jason and Jessica were sittingon his tailgate crying.
A detective approached Belindaand after exchanging who they
both were, he said, quote I'm sosorry to share this with you,
(14:15):
but Michelle was found deceased.
End quote.
Oh, it took me a minute.
I couldn't think of whatdeceased meant and after I
realized I fell to the ground.
She said oh, my gosh.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh, poor mama.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
There were no signs of a struggle, no forced entry,
no visible trauma to her body.
The house itself appeared tidy.
At first glance, there was noreason why a healthy 24-year-old
woman would be dead, andbecause of this her home was
treated as a crime scene.
They thought if someonepossibly had something to do
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with her death, it must besomeone close to her, someone
that could gain access to thehome, leave it locked.
When they left, detectiveMichael Douglas promised Belinda
that he would find out whathappened to her daughter.
Michelle's body was immediatelysent for autopsy and the results
were received later the nextday.
The autopsy revealed that therewere no obvious external
(15:13):
factors for her death.
She did not die from ananeurysm, heart failure.
Basically, she did not die fromnatural causes.
The medical examiner did note aneedle mark on her left arm.
She thought that it appeared tobe to have been made by someone
with medical training, becausethere was no redness or bruising
(15:33):
around the sites which I, likelooked at my arm today because I
gave blood on Friday and I waslike I wonder if I do, and there
was even a little bit ofbruising around mine.
So like, yeah, must.
If that was, then like must bea very skilled person.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's not that my person would didn't do well
right, you know, it's so easy tobruise even a little bit with
the expert person.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
So could this possibly be something innocent,
such as her donating blood, orcould this be a clue as to why
she passed away?
Belinda shared withinvestigators that Michelle was
deathly afraid of needles andthat she didn't believe Michelle
would ever volunteer to donateblood or plasma.
Because of that fear, she saidthat she avoided needles at all
(16:23):
costs.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Okay, red flag Mm-hmm , mm-hmm, Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Investigators went back to comb through Michelle's
home for any overlooked details.
That is when the crime sceneinvestigator, mark Woodmansey,
noted something odd.
Michelle's bathroom trash canwas empty, completely empty.
Not even a liner bag in thegarbage, which, if you're going
to have a liner bag, it's goingto be in the garbage in the
bathroom.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Exactly, and can I just say that's a guy thing.
They don't put liner bags inthe not that I'm a conspiracy
theorist yeah, because they'renot throwing away tampons.
Exactly, this is a guy.
A guy did it.
Okay, just saying my God.
We would have replaced thelight exactly that's so funny.
(17:11):
This is why a womaninvestigator needs to be honest,
right you don't ever have abathroom garbage without a bag
in the bin.
Nope, nope yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
So the team searched the dumpsters down a dirt alley
near the property that sherented.
Inside they found what do youthink that garbage Bathroom
garbages are usually lined with?
Okay, of course you're right.
I mean, unless you're fancy andbuy them.
Usually it's a small bin, right, A small little receptacle.
Bathroom garbages are usuallylined with.
Okay, of course I mean unlessyou're fancy.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I mean usually it's a small bin, right, a small
little yeah receptacle and youput a grocery bag in there
because that'll fit it nicely.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Right bag from a store.
Yeah exactly, yeah yeah, sowhat did they find?
A small grocery bag, okay.
Well, there you go.
Through the plastic they couldsee discarded vials along with
some mail, and the mail hadMichelle's name and address, so
they could presume this mail,this bag, are you?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
reading your mail on the toilet.
Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Unfortunately we can't ask Michelle about that,
but yeah, so they opened the bagand found a syringe with blood
on the cap, as well as vials ofpropofol, midazolam and
atomidate, yes, atomidate, oh mygod, I knew I was gonna trip
(18:41):
over that shout out to Shannon,I was gonna text you and then I
was like I trip over that Shoutout to Shannon.
I was going to text you and thenI was like, oh, there's Google
and stuff, shannon, shannon.
Finding these narcotics outsideof the medical setting is a
huge, huge red flag.
All three of these drugs arepowerful hospital-grade
sedatives and anesthetics.
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Propefol is the most commonlyused drug for general anesthesia
and is particularly dangerousas it can paralyze the lungs,
causing the patient to stopbreathing.
Investigators called themedical examiner and informed
her that they had found thenarcotics in the trash.
So they plan to run atoxicology report on her blood.
But those can take weeks ormonths to get back,
(19:24):
unfortunately imagine findingthat in a walmart bag.
No, I mean target has very youknow actually who has the best
plastic bags menards save moremoney at my nards is what my
kids would always say they do.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Their plastic bags are almost like the kind that
you would pay for to go back andget more stuff that can
actually hold, like a bottle oforange juice and a couple of
cans.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
They have the best plastic bags.
They are so thick.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, thank you, menards, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And you know what, if it was a Menards bag, they
wouldn't have been able to seethrough it because it's not
transparent.
That is some good plastic.
You get more money at Menardsyeah, go Menards, yes, but doers
get more done at Home Depot.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
He gets a lot of stuff done.
That's right.
Can you tell?
I don't know my arse from myelbow when it comes to home
improvement.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Okay, cool, cool, all right anyway, can you tell I'm
married to a man who gets a lotof stuff done, like he's very
handy.
Yeah, okay, anyway, enoughabout adam.
Back to the case.
Enough about plastic bags.
Investigators began to interviewthose closest to michelle.
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They were hoping to findsomeone close to her that had
access to these drugs, soperhaps someone that worked in
the medical field.
Belinda was questioned onwhether or not her daughter had
a history of drug use, whichcould you imagine, like you just
lost your daughter.
Now they're calling like sheused.
Do you know she ever done drugs?
She said no, no, never, andmentioned you know that she was
(21:12):
petrified of needles, but thatshe was also concerned with her
health and physical shape,because you know she's a
personal trainer, very active,always running, etc.
Belinda shared during thatconversation too that Michelle
suffered from migraines and thatshe had for many years.
So they thought, well, perhapsshe was seeking relief through
IV medications for migrainerelief.
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Peter Alcorn, michelle'slandlord, was interviewed.
He shared that on November 7th,just days before Michelle was
found dead, he had gone to herhouse to pick up some tools that
he had left there.
When he knocked on the door, ayoung man with dark hair and
glasses answered, the man toldhim that it was not a good time
and asked him to come back later.
So later that day Michelleherself called Peter, reassuring
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him.
She explained that he was justa friend he was visiting and he
had given her some medication tohelp with her migraines.
But everything was okay, likedon't worry.
But who was this mystery man?
The investigator's theory wasthat whoever this man was could
have used one of the threemedications to try and help her
with her migraines, and perhapsit was just an experiment gone
(22:22):
wrong.
But then they also thought ifthat were the case, why would
this person not have called 911?
Oh for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Knowing that Jessica was Michelle's best friend, she
was brought in for questioning.
She shared that sometimesMichelle would go out with her
roommate Oliver without Jessicaknowing.
She said that Oliver had athing for Michelle but Michelle
wasn't interested in him.
I know that he kind of had athing for Michelle and I know
Michelle had no interest in him.
She told investigators but healways, like, called Michelle
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his friend and I'd be like whatdo you mean your friend?
I introduced you to, he wasjust weird she said she sounds
like a B.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Sorry, we like her.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
She sounds like a, b, sorry.
We like her but oh, okay, I'llhave to take that out.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Well, I feel like she was ragging on this guy for
being Okay.
Well, maybe that's the guy thatwe don't like.
Okay, I'll stop.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
The two became roommates that June after Oliver
responded to an ad in anewspaper for a roommate.
Michelle had mentioned Oliverin passing to friends and family
.
She said that he was kind ofodd, you know kind of a loner,
and Jessica said that she hadseen needles on his nightstand
in his room before during herinterview.
But you know she didn't thinkvery much of it because Oliver
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was a nurse.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I mean, but you don't take your work home with you,
dude?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And I feel bad that I just supported the perpetrator
he worked as a nurse in thesurgical intensive care unit at
the University of Florida HealthShands Hospital and also
part-time at Nature CoastRegional Hospital in nearby
Williston in the emergencydepartment.
Oliver was the only person inMichelle's life who had training
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to administer IV meds and thatalso had access to obtain the
narcotics.
A picture of Oliver matched thedescription the landlord gave
of the man that had been atMichelle's home.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Oh dear.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
To investigators it was becoming clear Oliver had
both the means and theopportunity and, more
importantly, they now knew thatOliver had been smitten with
Michelle and that he kind offollowed her around.
She befriended him but shetried to keep her distance.
Investigator Douglas attemptedto contact Oliver five to six
times over a two-day period, buthe never returned the calls.
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Detective Douglas went toShands and while Oliver wasn't
there he had the opportunity tospeak with his supervisor.
He learned from her that he hadbeen fired the day before
Michelle was found dead.
His supervisor explained thathe didn't have the skill set
required to handle ICUresponsibilities, that he didn't
have the skill set required tohandle ICU responsibilities.
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So while he was there, douglasnoticed or noted that the
hospital used omni-cell machines, which are basically a vending
machine of drugs and you canonly have access to the machine
if you use an employee accesscode, just like a Pixis machine
we've talked about before.
All three drugs found atMichelle's could be found in the
omni-cell.
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Oliver's supervisor at Shandsinformed Douglas of his
part-time job and he decided tohead there next and luckily
Oliver was there.
He introduced himself asDetective Douglas and said that
he had been trying to call himand the detective was like
aren't you even a little curiouswhy I want to speak with you?
Oliver was like yeah, why areyou calling me?
(25:51):
So Douglas informed him that hewas the lead investigator for
Michelle Herndon's death.
Oliver casually replied yeah, Iread about that in the paper.
Douglas said that he'd need tobring him in for routine
questioning, but Oliver told himthat he was leaving for
vacation for a couple of weeksand you know he'd catch him when
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he got back.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
And Douglas was like yeah, no, we'll be speaking
before you leave.
So Oliver agreed and said youknow, I'll contact you when I'm
done working, like I got to go,and I'm sure that you can guess
Oliver never called.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Surprise.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Shocking, but like also I get, you're like at work
in the emergency departmentright now, like I don't know,
yeah.
So when Douglas went back tothe hospital, oliver's
supervisor informed him that hewas scheduled to work but that
he was a no-call, no-show Around.
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The same time, michelle'stoxicology report came back and
the results were horrifying.
She had been injected with morethan four times the lethal dose
of propofol.
Propofol is a powerfulanesthetic that can render a
patient unconscious withinseconds, and without immediate
respiratory support it causesdeath by respiratory arrest.
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Michelle would have slippedinto unconsciousness almost
instantly.
Belinda was notified that theyhad reason to believe that
Michelle was murdered and thatthey had a person of interest,
oliver O'Quinn.
Belinda had heard his namebefore in passing.
They thought it was possiblethat he was treating her for
migraines and again, maybesomething just went wrong.
(27:31):
But wouldn't a reasonableperson call 911 if an accident
happened?
I mean, let's hope so, you mightmaybe get in trouble, but like
if it was innocent.
I mean you'll get in troublefor taking the meds, for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
But if someone dies it's a lot more trouble.
Yeah, my friend, Not to mentiondon't you care if someone dies?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Right, yeah, this person you're smitten over, yeah
, so was this intentional oraccidental?
As a surgical ICU nurse, heshould have been no stranger to
injecting propofol.
He would know that it shouldnever be used outside of the
hospital and, in fact, taking itoutside of the hospital walls
would be illegal.
Right, he would have also knownthe proper dosaging for
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administration, meaning that thedosage he gave Michelle would
be lethal.
Yeah, meaning that the dosagehe gave Michelle would be lethal
?
Yeah, detective Douglas now hadprobable cause to arrest Oliver
O'Quinn for the death ofMichelle.
The local FBI was contacted tosee if he had a passport and if
he did, did he use it to leavethe country, as he seemingly
fell off the face of the earth?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Oh dear.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
The FBI confirmed that, yes, he had one, and yes,
he had left the country onNovember 29th and landed in
Ireland.
Oh boy, there was a problemwith him being in Ireland.
Friends, extradition to getsomeone back to the United
States from Ireland had neverproven to be successful in the
past, and as long as he stayedin Ireland, they'd probably
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never get him back, regardlessof the evidence that they had.
Regardless of the challenge,though, the Department of
Justice was contacted toinitiate extradition.
But before we talk more aboutthat, it's time for a chart note
.
Welcome to the chart notesegment, where we learn about
what's happening in medicine andhealthcare.
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Osteoarthritis is a conditionthat gradually erodes cartilage
in the joints, affectingmillions of people worldwide.
Those suffering from it endureconstant pain and limited
mobility, often findingmedications only mask the
discomfort rather than heal theunderlying damage.
Surgery can offer relief, butit comes with its own risks
(29:43):
complications, infections andeven the possibility of immune
rejection.
For decades, scientists havesought treatment that could
restore joints without thesedangers, and now a team at the
University of Connecticut may beon the verge of a breakthrough.
Leading the effort is AssociateProfessor Tan Nguyen, who has
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developed an innovativeinjectable hydrogel designed to
stimulate cartilage regeneration.
What makes this gel remarkableis its piezoelectric scaffold, a
material that generates tinyelectrical charges when it is
mechanically stressed, much likethe natural electrical signals
the body uses to repair tissue.
The scaffold combinesbiodegradable nanofibers with
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magnesium oxide nanoparticles,forming a structure that can
safely degrade within the bodywhile encouraging new cartilage
growth.
The process is elegant in itssimplicity.
Once injected into a damagedjoint, the gel responds to
everyday movement or evenexternal ultrasound stimulation,
producing gentle electricalsignals.
(30:53):
These signals prompt cells inthe joint to become active and
begin the repair process.
Unlike therapies that rely onstem cells or drugs, winn's
approach is entirely cell-freeand drug-free, reducing risks
associated with immune reactionsor other complications.
Earlier studies in rabbitsshowed promising results.
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Within just two months ofreceiving the gel, damaged knees
began forming new functionalcartilage.
Encouraged by this success,wynn's team secured a $2.3
million grant from the NIH toexpand the research into larger
animal models over the nextseveral years.
The ultimate goal is single,minimally evasive injectable
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capable of restoring jointfunction even in cases of severe
osteoarthritis.
If Wynn's gel continues toprove effective, it could
transform the treatment ofosteoarthritis and patients
might one day regain mobilityand relief without risk of major
surgery or long-term medicationuse.
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By harnessing the body's ownmovements to generate healing
signals, the PZO ElectricHydrogel offers a glimpse of the
future, where damaged jointscan repair themselves quietly
and efficiently from the insideout.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I mean that's amazing .
First of all, I mean can youimagine the quiet or not so
quiet suffering that people aredoing every day with joint pain?
I mean we use our appendages towalk, to grab things, to write,
to make a cup of tea, and ifevery movement of our joints is
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painful, can you imagine howawful that is for people?
And also, I was excited becausethe first time I heard about
piezoelectric activity was theone of our cochlear implant
companies has a piezoelectricdevice that uses that, and this
(32:56):
is the first time I learnedabout this.
It's like a mechanical stressthat creates energy within the
body, and so we're able to usebone conduction hearing in a
device called the AUSIA, thatfrom a cochlear implant company
that utilizes this, this stressthat creates energy, and then we
(33:19):
can transmit this boneconducted sound to a patient.
Who?
Who is a good candidate forthat.
But like I was like Piazza,what the?
I mean that sounds like somebuilding in Italy, so for you to
use that again.
I was like, oh, this is a thing.
So it's basically stress thatcreates electrical energy.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, yeah, that's where you're like.
Oh, that's why she knows how tosay it, because it's in
audiology.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, exactly that's crazy.
So that's amazing that youbrought that home for us and, my
goodness, if we could helppeople with chronic pain, I know
the quality of life would bebetter Bring it.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
It sounds like it's going to be quite a while, since
they just moved to largeanimals, but all those little
bunnies were so happy for theirlittle joints.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I mean also, I'm happy that the bunnies are happy
, I know, although they probablycreated the osteoarthritis.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Okay, back to the story.
Belinda was informed thatOliver fled to Ireland and that
it would be tricky to get himback to the United States.
She was worried that he'd findanother girl there and do the
exact same thing, that anotherfamily or another mother would
be suffering just as she was.
So Belinda's badass bought aplane ticket to Ireland.
(34:45):
She wanted to find him herself.
Yes, she did.
Good girl.
When she told investigatorsthis was her plan, they were
like eh, that's the answer andthey promised her we will get
him.
Knowing that she couldn't doanything to jeopardize the case,
she didn't go.
But I was like go, mama, go,mama, go.
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For months there were no leads.
But then an Irish journalist,sean O'Driscoll which I'm like,
what an Irish name reached outto Detective Douglas.
Sean said that he had read thestory of Michelle and knew that
the nurse had fled to Ireland.
Sean offered to help bypublicizing O'Quinn's face and
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the fact that he was wanted formurder.
He published the story with apicture of both Oliver and
Michelle's faces on the frontand the headline read that he
was wanted for murder andsuspected to be hiding in Dublin
.
The hope was that bybroadcasting to the citizens of
Ireland, this might spook Oliver, causing him to flee.
Once again, his passport hadbeen flagged, so if he attempted
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to leave he would beapprehended.
The plan worked, guys.
Oliver got nervous and he fled,and his movements were tracked,
but unfortunately his trail wasslippery and once again no one
knew where he was or where hewas headed.
No one knew where he was orwhere he was headed.
Six months into theinvestigation, in June 2006, us
(36:13):
Marshals received word thatOliver had resurfaced in
Maritania, attempting to cash amoney order at the US Embassy.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Because it's Mauritius, so it's Mauritian
authorities.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Okay, mauritian authorities attempted to stall
Oliver while they notified theUS Marshals, but after a period
of waiting he must have realizedthat something was wrong, so,
before he could get arrested, hevanished again, this time
crossing on foot into Senegal,before he could get arrested he
vanished again this timecrossing on foot into Senegal.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
He was immediately apprehended by the Senegal army
and extradited withouthesitation.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Good for the Senegal army, yeah.
Eleven months after Michelle'sdeath, he was booked into jail.
He was interviewed by DetectiveDouglas, but he refused to
speak without a lawyer presentokay, because you're in trouble,
yeah, and so, while that'sfrustrating for all of us, not
surprising investigators neededdna to link him to the crime
(37:21):
scene and they asked forpermission for a cheek swab, but
of course he denied withoutbeing able to ask a lawyer.
But they got a court order forthe swab, so ha ha ha ha ha the
swab was obtained, which matcheda sample of the swab from the
needle cap, which I'm like youbig stupid dummy maybe if you
(37:43):
didn't take the needle cap offwith your mouth like a big
buffoon.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Ass.
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Additionally, the blood that was found on the
needle was a match to Michelle'sblood as well.
So ha ha ha, tied you to thesyringe, mother Eppa.
Investigators were also able totrace the lot numbers on the
vials back to the machine atShands Hospital and found that
they were oh shocking checkedout by Oliver O'Quinn.
Hmm, the evidence wasirrefutable, and the only thing
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that they didn't have was motive.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Do you need a motive when you have irrefutable
evidence?
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah, right, but it was like they hoped for it, and
then an unexpected witness cameforward.
Yay, oliver's jail cellmateThomas Rauscher.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Rauscher Dude.
When are these criminals goingto learn not to spout off in
jail Like?
How often have we heard this?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Rauscher told law enforcement that Oliver had
confessed to him.
Law enforcement that oliver hadconfessed to him.
He said that he killed michelleafter overhearing her make
derogatory comments about himduring a conversation with her
boyfriend.
Oliver's quote to thomasrousher was that because she put
him down, he was going to puther down oh, you're a big hero
douche, yeah and investigatorsknew that rousher was telling
(39:07):
the truth or, like, highly,suspected him of telling the
truth because he didn't wantanything out of this.
It was not like hey, I'll tellyou this.
If you listen to my sentence orsomething, he's just like hey,
homie told me this.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
So in January 2008, nearly two and a half years into
the investigation, the trialbegan.
Prosecutors presented themountain of evidence the missing
trash bag, the hospital lotnumbers, toxicology reports, dna
evidence and rousher'stestimony.
It was undeniable.
During the trial, oliver showedno reaction or emotion to
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anything.
The jury deliberated for twoand a half hours before
returning to the courtroom, andhe was found guilty of
first-degree murder in May of2008.
The judge sentenced him to lifein prison without the
possibility of parole.
Adios, bye-bye.
Michelle's family and friendsfinally had justice, though
(40:03):
nothing could erase the loss ofher bright and promising life.
She finally had justice, thoughnothing could erase the loss of
her bright and promising lifeFor her loved ones.
Michelle would always beremembered, not as a victim, but
as the kind, radiant youngwoman that she was.
Her story serves as a hauntingreminder of how obsession,
abusive medical knowledge andbetrayal of trust can converge
with devastating consequences.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Oliver O'Quinn had once claimed to be helping
Michelle but in the end he wasthe one who stole everything
from her.
Oh boy, Yet another story of anarcissist trying to feed their
own ego and feeling that,because somebody doesn't want
them, that they are owed somehowvindication, I don't know.
(40:53):
A very poignant story, uh wordsabout this dude I'm glad that.
I'm glad that he's in for life,because I feel like quite often
this doesn't get the sentenceit deserves.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
So and I think once, like they flee and are obviously
purposely trying to stay away Iknow I need to travel on foot
now like obviously my passportis flagged, like we need to just
lock you up for life becausefear of re-offending and clearly
you know that you need to keephiding.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
You know, I don't know do you think he was trying
to kill her or do you think hethought he was?
Speaker 2 (41:32):
yes because of his comment of oh she put me down,
I'm gonna put her down likeshe's an animal or something
yeah, I mean, there was no doubthe was an ass, who with a big
ego, who was negligent.
But I wonder if he I think hisintentions maybe were pure at
first of like if I'm the onethat can cure her migraines,
(41:56):
maybe she'll like me.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
She'll fall in love with me.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, yeah, I think maybe that's where it started.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
And then it was like, oh, you don't want me, so
therefore bye-bye.
Oh, I've been helping you.
How ungrateful god.
What a waste of a beautifullife.
I'm glad he's away I know, andthat she'll never get to live
with the gorillas oh my god, yesmichelle, thank you for a good
(42:28):
bringing this up very compellingcase thank you, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
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STAYSUSPICIOUSS-T-A-Y-S-U-S-P-I-C-I-O-U-S.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Stay suspicious folks and meanwhile, suspiciously, we
have another medical mishap.
I've looked through ourarchives here and we have a
medical mishap in the wingswhich I'll read if you're
willing.
Okay, Okay, Thank you.
Thank you for carrying me sothis is called Medical Mishap,
the Mystery of the Missing IVPump.
(45:05):
This starts out, dear Amandaand Jenna Missing IV Pump.
This starts out, dear Amandaand Jenna.
You guys light up my Wednesdays.
I'm going to give you theobligatory praise and then move
on to my story, because I'm soexcited.
If you read this on the pod, Iyay, I am a surgery nurse and
I'm going to tell you about astory that really gets me going
(45:29):
to this day.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
So it's kind of funny also that you're a surgery
nurse and the guy in this storywas a surgical ICU nurse.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
I know this is perfect and a happy accident
because, amanda, I just lookedat the pile of emails and picked
the first one, so this one saysso.
There was a patient admittedfor routine surgery recovery who
needed IV antibiotics every sixhours.
So nurses kept noticing thatthe IV pump was alarming, but it
(45:58):
wasn't malfunctioning.
It was because the medicationbag was empty hours earlier than
it should have been.
So like was it leaking?
Like what happened Was?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
it leaking Like what happened.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
So after the third time that the alarm went off, I
finally walked in and I caughtthe patient sneaking sips from
the IV bag through the tubinglike a straw.
I was like Mr So-and-so, whatare you doing?
And he said well, it saidvancomycin and dextrose five
percent.
So I thought it was a vanillamilkshake.
Oh, oh, dude.
(46:39):
Okay.
Well, no harm done, just onevery confusing metabolism and a
chart note that the entire floorlaughed about for weeks and in
fact for the last year.
So thank you so much for doingwhat you do and reading this on
the pod.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Love, joy thank you for bringing us that joy, joy
yeah, listen, joy, this broughtus joy.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, joy, listen, this is crazy, I'm like that he
was sucking on his own ivy bag.
That cannot taste good to gointo his veins because he can't
take anything oral.
I just love it so much,unfortunately.
Can you picture that somebodylike like like a capri sun, you
like poke a straw into your ivybag and you start slurping away?
Speaker 2 (47:27):
oh, I can also picture joy's face as she walked
in like, oh my God, what areyou?
Speaker 1 (47:31):
doing.
Holy hell wait till I tell myfriends and my friends on my
podcast, my favorite podcast.
So bless your heart.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Thank you, joy.
Thank you, jenna for grabbingan email.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Listen, you know that was on my to-do list.
Yeah, listen, we.
That was on my to-do list.
Yeah, listen, we have them.
You guys keep sending in greatstories.
Keep it coming.
We need them, we love them.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
I love your comment of the Capri Sun.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
No, I think Bag would like a Capri Sun.
Yeah, like puncturing it withyour pointy straw, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
How did he get in there?
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Did he take off his tubing and just like Yuck, it
would just be salty and alsolike that cannot taste good.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
I would definitely be barfing Like I would gag barf,
like I would not be able toswallow that and homie's going
through several bags Like whathe's like.
This is awesome.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
He was cleverly putting it back together
afterwards or something, becauseit took a while for them to
figure it out.
Yeah, because then when someonecame to change the bag, how
does that work?
I mean, dude, what are youdoing?
Oh my gosh, sabotage yourself.
Cuckoo, bananas, cuckoo bananas.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yo, what are we going to hear about next week?
Speaker 1 (48:47):
So I'm holding up a book here.
I don't know if you can see, ohyeah, you are.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Why there's blood on the book like fake blood.
Guys, what is?
Speaker 1 (48:55):
what?
What does the book say?
The doctor from hell?
Yeah, baby, we're gonna learnabout harold shipman he looks so
scary.
He's super scary and he's likeone of the first prolific serial
killers and probably the mostprolific in britain, with almost
218 victims.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
So that'll be a scary episode to look forward to next
week and it's a book, so maybeit'll be a two pot, a two pot.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
It's big print this time, folks, so lol it's a one
218 victims.
We could go on for weeks, or wecould just like that is a short
book, I mean, yeah.
Or we could just say, you know,I may not be able to give all
the victims the respect thatthey deserve.
I mean, in fact, I won't beable to.
Let's just say that yeah, 218,yeah, that's almost one per day
(49:42):
for a year yeah so that'shorrible, it's yeah, it'll be
horrific and you're welcome tolisten, and we hope you do next
week.
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Wow, spooky Bye, goodbye,goodbye.
Amanda Jenna, hi you.
Hey, I've got to ask you areyou feeling better this week?
You were kind of Do I soundbetter?
You sound amazing, but not assexy, just saying.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah, the baritone situation is gone, I feel so
good.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Dana's Joplin Gravely business was like as Amanda
yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I can't go that low anymore.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
You're really getting down into the base register.
That means you're better.
That means you're better.
Welcome back.
Thank you To the better.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Thank you to everyone for bearing through my gravel
voice listen, are you enjoyingour second summer?
No, I'm not actually.
Thank you for asking.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I hate it it was freaking 90 degrees yesterday.
I got all my sweaters out.
Now I'm like the heck.
It was 88 yesterday, or 89yesterday and 88 today.
What the heck.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, I was literally complaining about it all
weekend.
I was like this sucks, what ishappening?
I like bought ingredients forsoup season and I'm like this is
ridiculous.
I hate it.
Please fall, come.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You're like pumpkin spice, pumpkin mice.
Get out of here, get out ofhere, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I did buy cans of pumpkin too.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yes For our UK listeners, because we do have a
lot of UK listeners.
I love you guys.
What is that Like in the 30s?
30 Celsius, double it, now 30.
Yeah, it's in the 30s, it's inthe 30s, so hot, we're talking
hot, hot, hot.
So we're talking sick.
(01:52):
Yeah, we're just getting in themood, just getting the mood for
pumpkin, spice, candles andspooky season, and here we are
summering away.
You know what?
I'm gonna regret every singlething that I've said.
In about a month I'm going tobe like Amanda, amanda, what the
hell.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, when it starts snowing.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I want open window season.
Let's can we do a crisp 60s toearly 70s please?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Like I'm not ready for the snow, but can we have
like just, can we just like turnthe dial down on the heat a
little bit, please, sick of it.
There's this guy that I saw onTikTok and he is like there's
just something about this crispfall air and he's like and when
you stomp on a crunchy leaf,like I don't know, he's like
(02:48):
saying it like all surfboarderguy.
It's really funny.
But I was like, yes, sir yeah,and they.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
We also have a lot of walnut trees in our backyard
and so if you go outside youhear a lot of I don't know if
you can hear that listeners,listeners but it's teeth
grinding on things and thatwould be the crickles, as my
kids call them forever.
I mean, my kids are adults now,but they used to say crickles,
(03:15):
so we always say crickles.
The crickles are chewing on thewalnuts and then they hide them
everywhere, and occasionallythey'll gift them to us by
putting it on the center door orby the car, and it's like oh
cute, you're welcome for thecorn cobs that we gave you
anything else new.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I was gonna.
I just had a like memory ofsomething completely unrelated,
but remember that animalswimming that you sent last
night in a text I don't rememberwhat it's called oh, the ocelot
, oh yeah, ocelot.
I was at a school today and,like kids, have their artwork
hanging all over like the wallsand their lockers and stuff, and
(03:58):
one of them collared one ofthose I forgot I was gonna send
a picture of it to you, oxaletto, it's not crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I mean, they come from one like pond in South
America somewhere, and mydaughter, who knows more than I
care to acknowledge aboutanimals, she said that if you
raise them the wrong way, theyturn into lizards.
So, like I think they're not,they're not meant to stay where
they are.
Goodness, they are the craziestlooking little things and
(04:28):
they're so dumb you can't putthem in with other animals or
rocks or anything, or they'llaccidentally eat them and die.
Oh my.
They look that dumb.
Yeah, we were at a, so mydaughter turned 18 and we were
at a long story short.
We were at a tattoo parlor thatapparently the security guard
was an ocelot old named deet no,dude, his name was dude and it
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like like strolling along in histank from a to b making sure
that people who came in werelegit.
You'd follow your finger likeso cute it was kind of cute.
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At first I was like, oh, only a face a mother could
love.
And then like his body turnedand it like had an eel tail and
I was like what the is happening?
Why is it a lizard and an eel,like it is?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
it.
It looks like a committee gottogether and made a mistake.
Is what it looks like it does?
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it certainly does anyway, that's anyway, dang, I
forgot I was gonna do that.
It was so cute.
It was cuter than the one inthe tank, because the one in the
tank was like icky real lifecolors and this one was like
blue and green.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
It was cute murky colors yeah yeah, yeah.
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So correction guys our audio from last week.
I did post on social media thatthe original published version
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So if you listened to thejumbled track, sorry, technology
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Jenna had explained that if youguys have automatic downloads
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The jumbled fairy came andvisited and we learned about it
after the fact.
So thank you for those of youwho let us know.
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The resources for today'sepisode will be in the show
notes, and when you mentionedthat your daughter was an animal
lover earlier, it reminded meof this gal I'm going to talk
about.
So shall we?
We shall, okay, there's notrigger warnings lover.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Earlier it reminded me of this gal.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I'm going to talk about.
So shall we, we shall, okay,there's no trigger warnings, I
guess, unless you've had like astalker before oh my goodness
well, okay, not even really astalker, I don't know.
Let's get into it okay can'twait michelle herndon was born
on july 15th 1981, and grew upin Live Oak, florida on a
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100-acre family farm.
She lived there with her olderbrother and parents.
Michelle's mother, belinda,said when Michelle was first
born I didn't really know whatto do with a girl already having
a boy.
But her dad fell right into therole, calling her his little
princess.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I know Michelle always wanted to be outside and
was a lover of animals.
She wanted to save any animalthat she found on the side of
the road, wanting to bring themhome and foster them.
Oh boy, belinda shared thattheir home was, admittedly, a
bit of a zoo from time to time,understood that she had, yes,
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yep, I feel that yeah can relate.
Yes, but michelle had such acompassionate heart and by
middle school, michelle decidedthat her dream was to study
primates and eventually go toafrica to live among the
gorillas which I was like thatis so cool.
Wow, dream big girl.
Her future seemed bright andwide open, though michelle was
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fighting a private battle.
She suffered from debilitatingmigraines that frequently left
her bedridden.
She had tried nearly everythingin search of relief.
Doctors prescribed hermedicines, but they offered only
fleeting help.
She experimented with herbalremedies and made repeated trips
to medical offices hoping forany answers, but nothing worked,
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unfortunately, but Michelle wasthe type of person who kept
going anyway.
Michelle graduated high schoolin June of 1999 and moved to
Gainesville, florida, to attendthe University of.
Florida, just two weeks aftergraduation.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Go Gators, my alma mater, sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Go Gators.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Go Gators.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
She worked as a personal trainer.
Sorry, she worked as a personaltrainer while attending school
to help pay tuition.
She loved running and had thecompany of a dog that she named
Duke Duke and he was aWeimaraner.
He was a good boy.
Oh, she also had a greatrelationship with a man named
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Jason and a best friend namedJessica.
Those closest to her were awareof her migraines and supported
her in any way that they could.
If Michelle could feel that amigraine was coming on while she
was driving, she would likecall Jessica, notify her.
Like hey, are you going to beavailable?
This is starting to come on,I'm driving.
And like, if it becomes unsafeto drive, can you come get me?
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So, like everyone knew theywere all very supportive and
like good on her for like'm notgonna be safe soon.
Someone come get me yeah yeah,she continued to try pain
relievers, rest, caffeine toopen her blood vessels and other
herbal remedies, but again, norelief.
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By 2005 she was wrapping up hercollege courses and her and
Jason were making big plans fortheir future together Cutie pies
.
On the night of November 10th2005, jason became increasingly
worried because he could not geta hold of Michelle.
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She wasn't answering her phoneor returning his calls, and it
had been some time since he hadheard from her.
He drove to her house and foundthat her car was there and duke
was inside the housefrantically barking whenever he
approached.
When he called her phone, hecould hear it ringing from
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outside he called her mom to seeif she was by chance with her
or knew where she was, andexplained what was happening.
Belinda said no, you know, I'mat home in Live Oak and she
believed Michelle to be inGainesville.
Jason told Belinda I'm going tocall the police and you know
I'll call you if I have anupdate.
So Belinda then began callingMichelle's phone every five
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minutes, eventually decided justto get in her own car and head
to Gainesville.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I mean as a mama, you would do that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Like I can't imagine that stress.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
My baby.
When Belinda arrived, she foundMichelle's home surrounded by
yellow police tape and manypolice cars.
Jason and Jessica were sittingon his tailgate crying.
A detective approached Belindaand after exchanging who they
both were, he said, quote I'm sosorry to share this with you,
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but Michelle was found deceased.
End quote.
Oh, it took me a minute.
I couldn't think of whatdeceased meant and after I
realized I fell to the ground.
She said oh, my gosh.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh, poor mama.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
There were no signs of a struggle, no forced entry,
no visible trauma to her body.
The house itself appeared tidy.
At first glance, there was noreason why a healthy 24-year-old
woman would be dead, andbecause of this her home was
treated as a crime scene.
They thought if someonepossibly had something to do
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with her death, it must besomeone close to her, someone
that could gain access to thehome, leave it locked.
When they left, detectiveMichael Douglas promised Belinda
that he would find out whathappened to her daughter.
Michelle's body was immediatelysent for autopsy and the results
were received later the nextday.
The autopsy revealed that therewere no obvious external
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factors for her death.
She did not die from ananeurysm, heart failure.
Basically, she did not die fromnatural causes.
The medical examiner did note aneedle mark on her left arm.
She thought that it appeared tobe to have been made by someone
with medical training, becausethere was no redness or bruising
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around the sites which I, likelooked at my arm today because I
gave blood on Friday and I waslike I wonder if I do, and there
was even a little bit ofbruising around mine.
So like, yeah, must.
If that was, then like must bea very skilled person.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's not that my person would didn't do well
right, you know, it's so easy tobruise even a little bit with
the expert person.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
So could this possibly be something innocent,
such as her donating blood, orcould this be a clue as to why
she passed away?
Belinda shared withinvestigators that Michelle was
deathly afraid of needles andthat she didn't believe Michelle
would ever volunteer to donateblood or plasma.
Because of that fear, she saidthat she avoided needles at all
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costs.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Okay, red flag Mm-hmm , mm-hmm, Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Investigators went back to comb through Michelle's
home for any overlooked details.
That is when the crime sceneinvestigator, mark Woodmansey,
noted something odd.
Michelle's bathroom trash canwas empty, completely empty.
Not even a liner bag in thegarbage, which, if you're going
to have a liner bag, it's goingto be in the garbage in the
bathroom.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Exactly, and can I just say that's a guy thing.
They don't put liner bags inthe not that I'm a conspiracy
theorist yeah, because they'renot throwing away tampons.
Exactly, this is a guy.
A guy did it.
Okay, just saying my God.
We would have replaced thelight exactly that's so funny.
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This is why a womaninvestigator needs to be honest,
right you don't ever have abathroom garbage without a bag
in the bin.
Nope, nope yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
So the team searched the dumpsters down a dirt alley
near the property that sherented.
Inside they found what do youthink that garbage Bathroom
garbages are usually lined with?
Okay, of course you're right.
I mean, unless you're fancy andbuy them.
Usually it's a small bin, right, A small little receptacle.
Bathroom garbages are usuallylined with.
Okay, of course I mean unlessyou're fancy.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I mean usually it's a small bin, right, a small
little yeah receptacle and youput a grocery bag in there
because that'll fit it nicely.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Right bag from a store.
Yeah exactly, yeah yeah, sowhat did they find?
A small grocery bag, okay.
Well, there you go.
Through the plastic they couldsee discarded vials along with
some mail, and the mail hadMichelle's name and address, so
they could presume this mail,this bag, are you?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
reading your mail on the toilet.
Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Unfortunately we can't ask Michelle about that,
but yeah, so they opened the bagand found a syringe with blood
on the cap, as well as vials ofpropofol, midazolam and
atomidate, yes, atomidate, oh mygod, I knew I was gonna trip
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over that shout out to Shannon,I was gonna text you and then I
was like I trip over that Shoutout to Shannon.
I was going to text you and thenI was like, oh, there's Google
and stuff, shannon, shannon.
Finding these narcotics outsideof the medical setting is a
huge, huge red flag.
All three of these drugs arepowerful hospital-grade
sedatives and anesthetics.
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Propefol is the most commonlyused drug for general anesthesia
and is particularly dangerousas it can paralyze the lungs,
causing the patient to stopbreathing.
Investigators called themedical examiner and informed
her that they had found thenarcotics in the trash.
So they plan to run atoxicology report on her blood.
But those can take weeks ormonths to get back,
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unfortunately imagine findingthat in a walmart bag.
No, I mean target has very youknow actually who has the best
plastic bags menards save moremoney at my nards is what my
kids would always say they do.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Their plastic bags are almost like the kind that
you would pay for to go back andget more stuff that can
actually hold, like a bottle oforange juice and a couple of
cans.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
They have the best plastic bags.
They are so thick.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, thank you, menards, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And you know what, if it was a Menards bag, they
wouldn't have been able to seethrough it because it's not
transparent.
That is some good plastic.
You get more money at Menardsyeah, go Menards, yes, but doers
get more done at Home Depot.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
He gets a lot of stuff done.
That's right.
Can you tell?
I don't know my arse from myelbow when it comes to home
improvement.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Okay, cool, cool, all right anyway, can you tell I'm
married to a man who gets a lotof stuff done, like he's very
handy.
Yeah, okay, anyway, enoughabout adam.
Back to the case.
Enough about plastic bags.
Investigators began to interviewthose closest to michelle.
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They were hoping to findsomeone close to her that had
access to these drugs, soperhaps someone that worked in
the medical field.
Belinda was questioned onwhether or not her daughter had
a history of drug use, whichcould you imagine, like you just
lost your daughter.
Now they're calling like sheused.
Do you know she ever done drugs?
She said no, no, never, andmentioned you know that she was
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petrified of needles, but thatshe was also concerned with her
health and physical shape,because you know she's a
personal trainer, very active,always running, etc.
Belinda shared during thatconversation too that Michelle
suffered from migraines and thatshe had for many years.
So they thought, well, perhapsshe was seeking relief through
IV medications for migrainerelief.
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Peter Alcorn, michelle'slandlord, was interviewed.
He shared that on November 7th,just days before Michelle was
found dead, he had gone to herhouse to pick up some tools that
he had left there.
When he knocked on the door, ayoung man with dark hair and
glasses answered, the man toldhim that it was not a good time
and asked him to come back later.
So later that day Michelleherself called Peter, reassuring
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him.
She explained that he was justa friend he was visiting and he
had given her some medication tohelp with her migraines.
But everything was okay, likedon't worry.
But who was this mystery man?
The investigator's theory wasthat whoever this man was could
have used one of the threemedications to try and help her
with her migraines, and perhapsit was just an experiment gone
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wrong.
But then they also thought ifthat were the case, why would
this person not have called 911?
Oh for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Knowing that Jessica was Michelle's best friend, she
was brought in for questioning.
She shared that sometimesMichelle would go out with her
roommate Oliver without Jessicaknowing.
She said that Oliver had athing for Michelle but Michelle
wasn't interested in him.
I know that he kind of had athing for Michelle and I know
Michelle had no interest in him.
She told investigators but healways, like, called Michelle
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his friend and I'd be like whatdo you mean your friend?
I introduced you to, he wasjust weird she said she sounds
like a B.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Sorry, we like her.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
She sounds like a, b, sorry.
We like her but oh, okay, I'llhave to take that out.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Well, I feel like she was ragging on this guy for
being Okay.
Well, maybe that's the guy thatwe don't like.
Okay, I'll stop.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
The two became roommates that June after Oliver
responded to an ad in anewspaper for a roommate.
Michelle had mentioned Oliverin passing to friends and family
.
She said that he was kind ofodd, you know kind of a loner,
and Jessica said that she hadseen needles on his nightstand
in his room before during herinterview.
But you know she didn't thinkvery much of it because Oliver
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was a nurse.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I mean, but you don't take your work home with you,
dude?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And I feel bad that I just supported the perpetrator
he worked as a nurse in thesurgical intensive care unit at
the University of Florida HealthShands Hospital and also
part-time at Nature CoastRegional Hospital in nearby
Williston in the emergencydepartment.
Oliver was the only person inMichelle's life who had training
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to administer IV meds and thatalso had access to obtain the
narcotics.
A picture of Oliver matched thedescription the landlord gave
of the man that had been atMichelle's home.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Oh dear.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
To investigators it was becoming clear Oliver had
both the means and theopportunity and, more
importantly, they now knew thatOliver had been smitten with
Michelle and that he kind offollowed her around.
She befriended him but shetried to keep her distance.
Investigator Douglas attemptedto contact Oliver five to six
times over a two-day period, buthe never returned the calls.
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Detective Douglas went toShands and while Oliver wasn't
there he had the opportunity tospeak with his supervisor.
He learned from her that he hadbeen fired the day before
Michelle was found dead.
His supervisor explained thathe didn't have the skill set
required to handle ICUresponsibilities, that he didn't
have the skill set required tohandle ICU responsibilities.
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So while he was there, douglasnoticed or noted that the
hospital used omni-cell machines, which are basically a vending
machine of drugs and you canonly have access to the machine
if you use an employee accesscode, just like a Pixis machine
we've talked about before.
All three drugs found atMichelle's could be found in the
omni-cell.
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Oliver's supervisor at Shandsinformed Douglas of his
part-time job and he decided tohead there next and luckily
Oliver was there.
He introduced himself asDetective Douglas and said that
he had been trying to call himand the detective was like
aren't you even a little curiouswhy I want to speak with you?
Oliver was like yeah, why areyou calling me?
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So Douglas informed him that hewas the lead investigator for
Michelle Herndon's death.
Oliver casually replied yeah, Iread about that in the paper.
Douglas said that he'd need tobring him in for routine
questioning, but Oliver told himthat he was leaving for
vacation for a couple of weeksand you know he'd catch him when
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he got back.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
And Douglas was like yeah, no, we'll be speaking
before you leave.
So Oliver agreed and said youknow, I'll contact you when I'm
done working, like I got to go,and I'm sure that you can guess
Oliver never called.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Surprise.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Shocking, but like also I get, you're like at work
in the emergency departmentright now, like I don't know,
yeah.
So when Douglas went back tothe hospital, oliver's
supervisor informed him that hewas scheduled to work but that
he was a no-call, no-show Around.
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The same time, michelle'stoxicology report came back and
the results were horrifying.
She had been injected with morethan four times the lethal dose
of propofol.
Propofol is a powerfulanesthetic that can render a
patient unconscious withinseconds, and without immediate
respiratory support it causesdeath by respiratory arrest.
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Michelle would have slippedinto unconsciousness almost
instantly.
Belinda was notified that theyhad reason to believe that
Michelle was murdered and thatthey had a person of interest,
oliver O'Quinn.
Belinda had heard his namebefore in passing.
They thought it was possiblethat he was treating her for
migraines and again, maybesomething just went wrong.
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But wouldn't a reasonableperson call 911 if an accident
happened?
I mean, let's hope so, you mightmaybe get in trouble, but like
if it was innocent.
I mean you'll get in troublefor taking the meds, for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
But if someone dies it's a lot more trouble.
Yeah, my friend, Not to mentiondon't you care if someone dies?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Right, yeah, this person you're smitten over, yeah
, so was this intentional oraccidental?
As a surgical ICU nurse, heshould have been no stranger to
injecting propofol.
He would know that it shouldnever be used outside of the
hospital and, in fact, taking itoutside of the hospital walls
would be illegal.
Right, he would have also knownthe proper dosaging for
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administration, meaning that thedosage he gave Michelle would
be lethal.
Yeah, meaning that the dosagehe gave Michelle would be lethal
?
Yeah, detective Douglas now hadprobable cause to arrest Oliver
O'Quinn for the death ofMichelle.
The local FBI was contacted tosee if he had a passport and if
he did, did he use it to leavethe country, as he seemingly
fell off the face of the earth?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Oh dear.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
The FBI confirmed that, yes, he had one, and yes,
he had left the country onNovember 29th and landed in
Ireland.
Oh boy, there was a problemwith him being in Ireland.
Friends, extradition to getsomeone back to the United
States from Ireland had neverproven to be successful in the
past, and as long as he stayedin Ireland, they'd probably
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never get him back, regardlessof the evidence that they had.
Regardless of the challenge,though, the Department of
Justice was contacted toinitiate extradition.
But before we talk more aboutthat, it's time for a chart note
.
Welcome to the chart notesegment, where we learn about
what's happening in medicine andhealthcare.
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Osteoarthritis is a conditionthat gradually erodes cartilage
in the joints, affectingmillions of people worldwide.
Those suffering from it endureconstant pain and limited
mobility, often findingmedications only mask the
discomfort rather than heal theunderlying damage.
Surgery can offer relief, butit comes with its own risks
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complications, infections andeven the possibility of immune
rejection.
For decades, scientists havesought treatment that could
restore joints without thesedangers, and now a team at the
University of Connecticut may beon the verge of a breakthrough.
Leading the effort is AssociateProfessor Tan Nguyen, who has
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developed an innovativeinjectable hydrogel designed to
stimulate cartilage regeneration.
What makes this gel remarkableis its piezoelectric scaffold, a
material that generates tinyelectrical charges when it is
mechanically stressed, much likethe natural electrical signals
the body uses to repair tissue.
The scaffold combinesbiodegradable nanofibers with
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magnesium oxide nanoparticles,forming a structure that can
safely degrade within the bodywhile encouraging new cartilage
growth.
The process is elegant in itssimplicity.
Once injected into a damagedjoint, the gel responds to
everyday movement or evenexternal ultrasound stimulation,
producing gentle electricalsignals.
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These signals prompt cells inthe joint to become active and
begin the repair process.
Unlike therapies that rely onstem cells or drugs, winn's
approach is entirely cell-freeand drug-free, reducing risks
associated with immune reactionsor other complications.
Earlier studies in rabbitsshowed promising results.
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Within just two months ofreceiving the gel, damaged knees
began forming new functionalcartilage.
Encouraged by this success,wynn's team secured a $2.3
million grant from the NIH toexpand the research into larger
animal models over the nextseveral years.
The ultimate goal is single,minimally evasive injectable
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capable of restoring jointfunction even in cases of severe
osteoarthritis.
If Wynn's gel continues toprove effective, it could
transform the treatment ofosteoarthritis and patients
might one day regain mobilityand relief without risk of major
surgery or long-term medicationuse.
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By harnessing the body's ownmovements to generate healing
signals, the PZO ElectricHydrogel offers a glimpse of the
future, where damaged jointscan repair themselves quietly
and efficiently from the insideout.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I mean that's amazing .
First of all, I mean can youimagine the quiet or not so
quiet suffering that people aredoing every day with joint pain?
I mean we use our appendages towalk, to grab things, to write,
to make a cup of tea, and ifevery movement of our joints is
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painful, can you imagine howawful that is for people?
And also, I was excited becausethe first time I heard about
piezoelectric activity was theone of our cochlear implant
companies has a piezoelectricdevice that uses that, and this
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is the first time I learnedabout this.
It's like a mechanical stressthat creates energy within the
body, and so we're able to usebone conduction hearing in a
device called the AUSIA, thatfrom a cochlear implant company
that utilizes this, this stressthat creates energy, and then we
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can transmit this boneconducted sound to a patient.
Who?
Who is a good candidate forthat.
But like I was like Piazza,what the?
I mean that sounds like somebuilding in Italy, so for you to
use that again.
I was like, oh, this is a thing.
So it's basically stress thatcreates electrical energy.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, yeah, that's where you're like.
Oh, that's why she knows how tosay it, because it's in
audiology.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, exactly that's crazy.
So that's amazing that youbrought that home for us and, my
goodness, if we could helppeople with chronic pain, I know
the quality of life would bebetter Bring it.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
It sounds like it's going to be quite a while, since
they just moved to largeanimals, but all those little
bunnies were so happy for theirlittle joints.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I mean also, I'm happy that the bunnies are happy
, I know, although they probablycreated the osteoarthritis.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Okay, back to the story.
Belinda was informed thatOliver fled to Ireland and that
it would be tricky to get himback to the United States.
She was worried that he'd findanother girl there and do the
exact same thing, that anotherfamily or another mother would
be suffering just as she was.
So Belinda's badass bought aplane ticket to Ireland.
(34:45):
She wanted to find him herself.
Yes, she did.
Good girl.
When she told investigatorsthis was her plan, they were
like eh, that's the answer andthey promised her we will get
him.
Knowing that she couldn't doanything to jeopardize the case,
she didn't go.
But I was like go, mama, go,mama, go.
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For months there were no leads.
But then an Irish journalist,sean O'Driscoll which I'm like,
what an Irish name reached outto Detective Douglas.
Sean said that he had read thestory of Michelle and knew that
the nurse had fled to Ireland.
Sean offered to help bypublicizing O'Quinn's face and
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the fact that he was wanted formurder.
He published the story with apicture of both Oliver and
Michelle's faces on the frontand the headline read that he
was wanted for murder andsuspected to be hiding in Dublin
.
The hope was that bybroadcasting to the citizens of
Ireland, this might spook Oliver, causing him to flee.
Once again, his passport hadbeen flagged, so if he attempted
(35:51):
to leave he would beapprehended.
The plan worked, guys.
Oliver got nervous and he fled,and his movements were tracked,
but unfortunately his trail wasslippery and once again no one
knew where he was or where hewas headed.
No one knew where he was orwhere he was headed.
Six months into theinvestigation, in June 2006, us
(36:13):
Marshals received word thatOliver had resurfaced in
Maritania, attempting to cash amoney order at the US Embassy.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Because it's Mauritius, so it's Mauritian
authorities.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Okay, mauritian authorities attempted to stall
Oliver while they notified theUS Marshals, but after a period
of waiting he must have realizedthat something was wrong, so,
before he could get arrested, hevanished again, this time
crossing on foot into Senegal,before he could get arrested he
vanished again this timecrossing on foot into Senegal.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
He was immediately apprehended by the Senegal army
and extradited withouthesitation.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Good for the Senegal army, yeah.
Eleven months after Michelle'sdeath, he was booked into jail.
He was interviewed by DetectiveDouglas, but he refused to
speak without a lawyer presentokay, because you're in trouble,
yeah, and so, while that'sfrustrating for all of us, not
surprising investigators neededdna to link him to the crime
(37:21):
scene and they asked forpermission for a cheek swab, but
of course he denied withoutbeing able to ask a lawyer.
But they got a court order forthe swab, so ha ha ha ha ha the
swab was obtained, which matcheda sample of the swab from the
needle cap, which I'm like youbig stupid dummy maybe if you
(37:43):
didn't take the needle cap offwith your mouth like a big
buffoon.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Ass.
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Additionally, the blood that was found on the
needle was a match to Michelle'sblood as well.
So ha ha ha, tied you to thesyringe, mother Eppa.
Investigators were also able totrace the lot numbers on the
vials back to the machine atShands Hospital and found that
they were oh shocking checkedout by Oliver O'Quinn.
Hmm, the evidence wasirrefutable, and the only thing
(38:14):
that they didn't have was motive.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Do you need a motive when you have irrefutable
evidence?
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah, right, but it was like they hoped for it, and
then an unexpected witness cameforward.
Yay, oliver's jail cellmateThomas Rauscher.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Rauscher Dude.
When are these criminals goingto learn not to spout off in
jail Like?
How often have we heard this?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Rauscher told law enforcement that Oliver had
confessed to him.
Law enforcement that oliver hadconfessed to him.
He said that he killed michelleafter overhearing her make
derogatory comments about himduring a conversation with her
boyfriend.
Oliver's quote to thomasrousher was that because she put
him down, he was going to puther down oh, you're a big hero
douche, yeah and investigatorsknew that rousher was telling
(39:07):
the truth or, like, highly,suspected him of telling the
truth because he didn't wantanything out of this.
It was not like hey, I'll tellyou this.
If you listen to my sentence orsomething, he's just like hey,
homie told me this.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
So in January 2008, nearly two and a half years into
the investigation, the trialbegan.
Prosecutors presented themountain of evidence the missing
trash bag, the hospital lotnumbers, toxicology reports, dna
evidence and rousher'stestimony.
It was undeniable.
During the trial, oliver showedno reaction or emotion to
(39:42):
anything.
The jury deliberated for twoand a half hours before
returning to the courtroom, andhe was found guilty of
first-degree murder in May of2008.
The judge sentenced him to lifein prison without the
possibility of parole.
Adios, bye-bye.
Michelle's family and friendsfinally had justice, though
(40:03):
nothing could erase the loss ofher bright and promising life.
She finally had justice, thoughnothing could erase the loss of
her bright and promising lifeFor her loved ones.
Michelle would always beremembered, not as a victim, but
as the kind, radiant youngwoman that she was.
Her story serves as a hauntingreminder of how obsession,
abusive medical knowledge andbetrayal of trust can converge
with devastating consequences.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Oliver O'Quinn had once claimed to be helping
Michelle but in the end he wasthe one who stole everything
from her.
Oh boy, Yet another story of anarcissist trying to feed their
own ego and feeling that,because somebody doesn't want
them, that they are owed somehowvindication, I don't know.
(40:53):
A very poignant story, uh wordsabout this dude I'm glad that.
I'm glad that he's in for life,because I feel like quite often
this doesn't get the sentenceit deserves.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
So and I think once, like they flee and are obviously
purposely trying to stay away Iknow I need to travel on foot
now like obviously my passportis flagged, like we need to just
lock you up for life becausefear of re-offending and clearly
you know that you need to keephiding.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
You know, I don't know do you think he was trying
to kill her or do you think hethought he was?
Speaker 2 (41:32):
yes because of his comment of oh she put me down,
I'm gonna put her down likeshe's an animal or something
yeah, I mean, there was no doubthe was an ass, who with a big
ego, who was negligent.
But I wonder if he I think hisintentions maybe were pure at
first of like if I'm the onethat can cure her migraines,
(41:56):
maybe she'll like me.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
She'll fall in love with me.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, yeah, I think maybe that's where it started.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
And then it was like, oh, you don't want me, so
therefore bye-bye.
Oh, I've been helping you.
How ungrateful god.
What a waste of a beautifullife.
I'm glad he's away I know, andthat she'll never get to live
with the gorillas oh my god, yesmichelle, thank you for a good
(42:28):
bringing this up very compellingcase thank you, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
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STAYSUSPICIOUSS-T-A-Y-S-U-S-P-I-C-I-O-U-S.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Stay suspicious folks and meanwhile, suspiciously, we
have another medical mishap.
I've looked through ourarchives here and we have a
medical mishap in the wingswhich I'll read if you're
willing.
Okay, Okay, Thank you.
Thank you for carrying me sothis is called Medical Mishap,
the Mystery of the Missing IVPump.
(45:05):
This starts out, dear Amandaand Jenna Missing IV Pump.
This starts out, dear Amandaand Jenna.
You guys light up my Wednesdays.
I'm going to give you theobligatory praise and then move
on to my story, because I'm soexcited.
If you read this on the pod, Iyay, I am a surgery nurse and
I'm going to tell you about astory that really gets me going
(45:29):
to this day.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
So it's kind of funny also that you're a surgery
nurse and the guy in this storywas a surgical ICU nurse.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
I know this is perfect and a happy accident
because, amanda, I just lookedat the pile of emails and picked
the first one, so this one saysso.
There was a patient admittedfor routine surgery recovery who
needed IV antibiotics every sixhours.
So nurses kept noticing thatthe IV pump was alarming, but it
(45:58):
wasn't malfunctioning.
It was because the medicationbag was empty hours earlier than
it should have been.
So like was it leaking?
Like what happened Was?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
it leaking Like what happened.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
So after the third time that the alarm went off, I
finally walked in and I caughtthe patient sneaking sips from
the IV bag through the tubinglike a straw.
I was like Mr So-and-so, whatare you doing?
And he said well, it saidvancomycin and dextrose five
percent.
So I thought it was a vanillamilkshake.
Oh, oh, dude.
(46:39):
Okay.
Well, no harm done, just onevery confusing metabolism and a
chart note that the entire floorlaughed about for weeks and in
fact for the last year.
So thank you so much for doingwhat you do and reading this on
the pod.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Love, joy thank you for bringing us that joy, joy
yeah, listen, joy, this broughtus joy.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, joy, listen, this is crazy, I'm like that he
was sucking on his own ivy bag.
That cannot taste good to gointo his veins because he can't
take anything oral.
I just love it so much,unfortunately.
Can you picture that somebodylike like like a capri sun, you
like poke a straw into your ivybag and you start slurping away?
Speaker 2 (47:27):
oh, I can also picture joy's face as she walked
in like, oh my God, what areyou?
Speaker 1 (47:31):
doing.
Holy hell wait till I tell myfriends and my friends on my
podcast, my favorite podcast.
So bless your heart.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Thank you, joy.
Thank you, jenna for grabbingan email.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Listen, you know that was on my to-do list.
Yeah, listen, we.
That was on my to-do list.
Yeah, listen, we have them.
You guys keep sending in greatstories.
Keep it coming.
We need them, we love them.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
I love your comment of the Capri Sun.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
No, I think Bag would like a Capri Sun.
Yeah, like puncturing it withyour pointy straw, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
How did he get in there?
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Did he take off his tubing and just like Yuck, it
would just be salty and alsolike that cannot taste good.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
I would definitely be barfing Like I would gag barf,
like I would not be able toswallow that and homie's going
through several bags Like whathe's like.
This is awesome.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
He was cleverly putting it back together
afterwards or something, becauseit took a while for them to
figure it out.
Yeah, because then when someonecame to change the bag, how
does that work?
I mean, dude, what are youdoing?
Oh my gosh, sabotage yourself.
Cuckoo, bananas, cuckoo bananas.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yo, what are we going to hear about next week?
Speaker 1 (48:47):
So I'm holding up a book here.
I don't know if you can see, ohyeah, you are.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Why there's blood on the book like fake blood.
Guys, what is?
Speaker 1 (48:55):
what?
What does the book say?
The doctor from hell?
Yeah, baby, we're gonna learnabout harold shipman he looks so
scary.
He's super scary and he's likeone of the first prolific serial
killers and probably the mostprolific in britain, with almost
218 victims.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
So that'll be a scary episode to look forward to next
week and it's a book, so maybeit'll be a two pot, a two pot.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
It's big print this time, folks, so lol it's a one
218 victims.
We could go on for weeks, or wecould just like that is a short
book, I mean, yeah.
Or we could just say, you know,I may not be able to give all
the victims the respect thatthey deserve.
I mean, in fact, I won't beable to.
Let's just say that yeah, 218,yeah, that's almost one per day
(49:42):
for a year yeah so that'shorrible, it's yeah, it'll be
horrific and you're welcome tolisten, and we hope you do next
week.
So until then, don't miss abeat.
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