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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
Amanda!
SPEAKER_00 (00:06):
Hey, how are you,
Alley Cat?
That was very exciting, like anentrance to a ball game or
something.
I know, right?
SPEAKER_01 (00:13):
We're coming out
with our I don't know, fighting.
She's entering the ring.
With our gloves on.
Ready to ready to kill this.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
So how about last week?
How about Shannon?
Isn't she awesome?
(00:34):
We've gotten so many goodcomments.
SPEAKER_00 (00:36):
We have uh Shannon,
I know you'll be listening to
this, but Shannon, I thinkyou've gotten more good
compliments than Jonna and Icombined, honestly.
I know.
I'm starting to feel a littleinsecure.
I was I was like, dang, is y'alltrying to replace us with
Shannon or what's that movie?
The Shannon show, right?
Oh man.
Yeah, right.
Shannon, you did an excellentjob.
Everyone loved you.
(00:56):
We can't wait to have you backagain sometime because obviously
it's happening.
It's not even a question at thispoint.
It will happen.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02):
No, it has to.
Well, also, we need an updatefrom Shannon.
Please write in and let us knowhow the whole Shazer
conversation went.
Yes.
I wasn't expecting such a wildreaction from her, but that's so
funny.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
Um she passionately
hates nicknames.
SPEAKER_01 (01:18):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (01:18):
Well, see, yeah.
I don't know.
Passionate, passionate.
We love it.
Um, and if anyone caught at theend of the episode, Shannon used
the words maternity leave.
She sure did.
She sure did.
So well, I guess the cat's outof the bag, Shannon.
Everyone, I'm pregnant.
(01:46):
We are approaching the thirdtrimester, so I guess you know
I'm pretty pregnant.
SPEAKER_01 (01:50):
Oh, you're going to
be union.
We're so excited.
SPEAKER_00 (01:56):
Thank you, thank
you.
Yeah, so I guess Shannon seemsto have elected herself for some
maternity leave coverage, shouldit be needed.
Yeah.
And if not, she could be aguest.
SPEAKER_01 (02:10):
But yeah, yeah.
No, we're super excited for you.
Now literally, the world knows.
The world knows.
How does it feel, mama?
Ooh, good.
She's glowing, she's happy,she's beautiful.
SPEAKER_02 (02:26):
Can't wait.
SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
Can't wait to meet
so-and-so.
We won't know gender or name,will we?
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (02:34):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
And I'll be at the
edge of the bed when you're
giving birth with my AuntieJenna's here.
Yeah.
Auntie Jenna's here, and I'mgonna screen your hearing.
Amanda, move aside.
SPEAKER_00 (02:45):
I know I've been
trying to be like super careful
when I'm around kids at work andstuff to like prevent the MV.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:55):
So well, that's a
good one.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
And thanks, Shannon,
for telling the world I'm five
minutes.
SPEAKER_01 (03:01):
No, honestly,
thanks, Jennon, because I have a
hard time with secrets.
And I was like, what if I blurtsomething out?
So she did it on her one guestappearance.
What we managed to not do andhow many episodes.
SPEAKER_00 (03:15):
So it's been a
while.
We've known for a long time.
Yeah, we have.
Yeah.
All right.
SPEAKER_01 (03:22):
Well, hey, before we
move on.
Yeah, before we move on, I wantto shout out a new sponsor.
SPEAKER_00 (03:27):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, sorry, pregnancy brain.
I can blame that now.
SPEAKER_01 (03:30):
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So we appreciate you.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:16):
Thanks, Jillie.
That reminds me of one morething.
Someone had messaged Shannonsaying that they wished the link
to our website was actually alink on our social media because
I had just like written it inthe caption, and apparently you
can't copy and paste from there.
So on the Instagram page now, itis added as a link below the
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bio.
If for some reason you don't useApple Podcasts or Spotify or
whatever else everyone uses, youcan click the link to our
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SPEAKER_01 (04:50):
Awesome.
Thanks for doing that.
SPEAKER_00 (04:52):
No problem, it's
super easy.
Okay, so you guys, not gonnasugarcoat this one.
It's horrible.
It's bad.
Bad news bears.
And should I just let them knowright away?
It's gonna be a tupada.
SPEAKER_01 (05:10):
A tupada.
unknown (05:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:11):
It's a tupada.
SPEAKER_01 (05:12):
Yeah.
I mean, sometimes we need whenit's a really deep dive and it's
a really depressing case, wejust need to break it up and
absorb and come back.
So I can appreciate it.
SPEAKER_00 (05:22):
And this also was a
very long episode for me.
It's like double in length whatI usually do for one.
So I told Jenna, like, uh, thisprobably could be a two pata.
SPEAKER_01 (05:32):
Awesome.
Well, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01 (07:06):
Kind of makes me
hungry.
SPEAKER_00 (07:07):
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I actually just finished eating,so today I mentioned last week
that we are heading over toEngland.
And now I just was like, are wein England?
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, we're in England.
Okay.
We are going to be coveringBeverly Allett.
SPEAKER_01 (07:29):
Okay.
I don't know anything about her.
No.
SPEAKER_00 (07:31):
Jenna said she'd
never heard of her.
Yeah.
The big trigger warning for thisepisode is child abuse.
As I mentioned, these cases arehorrific.
So I obviously did not go intodetail about some of the things
that I could have with, becauselike we don't need to relive
that.
And you can always look it up onyour own if you want to know
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more.
But I just like felt sickreading some of it.
So I was like, we're not goingto be able to do that.
Yeah, I don't think we need to.
It's just enough to get thepicture, but we don't need to
paint it in high def.
All right.
Are we ready?
Beverly Gale Allett was born onOctober 4th, 1968, and grew up
in the village of Corby Glen,which is just outside of
Grantham in Lincolnshire,England.
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She lived there with herparents, Richard and Lillian,
and her three siblings, onebrother and two sisters.
Her family was a working-classfamily, her father working in an
off-license, and her mothercleaned at a local school.
Her childhood was, by allaccounts, unremarkable.
Beverly was described as afairly ordinary child initially,
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doing things such as babysittingfor her neighbors.
Neighbor and family friendJeremy Marshall Roberts would
describe her childhood asperfectly normal, that Beverly
was a happy-go-lucky child whogrew up surrounded by a nice
family in a normal village.
Though certain behaviors wouldforeshadow serious problems.
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Neighbors recalled that she'dfall off her bike and cut her
leg, and there was, you know,the time she fell on glass.
And then she would wear bandagesor casts over her wounds that
were typically exaggerated, butnot allow for them to properly
be examined.
It doesn't really seem like atotal flag, right?
Like kids get hurt accidentally.
SPEAKER_01 (09:22):
I I remember being
jealous of the kid in class who
had a cast that everyone wasrallying around to sign and
stuff.
And I was like, oh, I like thatattention.
Well, right, right.
SPEAKER_00 (09:32):
But I mean, I didn't
break my leg.
Like kids love wearingband-aids, so step down from a
cast.
Even when a boo-boo isn'tvisible.
My niece all the time, I need aband-aid.
Like, okay.
And then it feels better.
SPEAKER_01 (09:47):
Oh, whole plus
adorable.
To be fair, they make super cuteband-aids now.
Like wellies and all kinds of uhcute ones.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:55):
And like when she's
at my house, I'm like, I will
totally get you a band-aid, butyou know Auntie's band-aids are
ugly.
SPEAKER_01 (10:01):
You really need to
need it.
Okay.
We got old man beige here.
Okay.
Don't get excited.
SPEAKER_00 (10:05):
Yeah, exactly.
Orthopedic beige old man myhouse.
So these oddities began toescalate.
At one point, she catheterizedherself and even went on to
inject water into one of herbreasts so that it was bigger
than.
Wait, what?
Wait, what what?
How old was she when this washappening?
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I don't know an exact age onthose things, but she started
doing all these things from areally early age, like six or
seven.
SPEAKER_02 (10:36):
Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (10:38):
And she would ex-
So, like, even during the time
where everyone's like, totallynormal, babies at the neighbors.
It's like she was already doingthese things.
Okay, so just everyone.
SPEAKER_01 (10:47):
So this was the
early 70s.
So it's not like she couldYouTube how to catheterize
herself.
Like she was just right.
Oh my goodness.
Okay.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (10:56):
And she would
experiment with body temperature
readings by taking hot waterinto her mouth before having her
temperature taken and likethings like that.
SPEAKER_01 (11:03):
You know, Ferris
Buller day off kind of thing.
Put it on the light bulb andthen oh my god, it's 110.
SPEAKER_00 (11:10):
You need a oh my
god.
Okay, can you even imagine afteryou just had a 103?
SPEAKER_01 (11:16):
Yeah, no thanks.
SPEAKER_00 (11:18):
Yeah.
So feigning illness and hurtingherself became normal for her.
Emphasis on for her.
So she was seeking attentionrather than genuine care.
And she learned early on thatfeigning illness gets a person a
lot of attention, but it alsotakes the pressure off of a
person.
She learned that there were lessexpectations of her when she was
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ill.
But as she got older, she beganto frequently visit hospitals,
complaining of a wide range ofailments like headaches,
backaches, blurred vision, UTI,and indigestion.
She even convinced a surgeon toremove her healthy appendix,
which was slow to heal becauseshe couldn't stop messing with a
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surgical scar.
SPEAKER_01 (12:02):
Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_00 (12:03):
If she thought
doctors were becoming suspicious
of her behaviors, she wouldbegin to doctor hop.
And this pattern of self-haself-harm or fictitious illness
marked her adolescence.
She became overweight, had boutsof depression, and was known to
be attention-seeking andmanipulative in interpersonal
relationships.
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A boyfriend once described heras aggressive, manipulative, and
deceptive.
SPEAKER_01 (12:29):
Fun time.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (12:42):
School records note
that she attended a secondary
modern school after failing theexam to get into the local
grammar school.
And at 16, she left full-timeeducation and took a nursing
course at Grantham College in1987.
SPEAKER_01 (12:56):
Nursing, huh?
SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
A nursing, because
why not?
Who knows a hospital better thansomeone that wanted to spend all
their time there?
SPEAKER_01 (13:03):
Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_00 (13:04):
Her training was
also troubled from the start.
She had an extremely high amountof absences, reportedly around
100 days absent in a two-yearprogram due to claimed
illnesses.
But again, this is what shelearned as a child.
Feigning illnesses takes thepressure off of a person.
And she didn't have the pressureof proving her brilliance in
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school when she received empathyfor being ill.
So she failed her nursing examsmultiple times and was
disciplined for unusualbehaviors.
Such as one nursing homeplacement reported that she
smeared feces on the wall andplaced human waste in the
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refrigerators for others tofind.
I'm not a psychologist, but comeon.
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I'm not a psychologist, in myhumble opinion.
But despite the red flags, shewas eventually qualified as a
state-enrolled nurse.
SPEAKER_01 (14:17):
Wow, the what's the
bar like for state enrolled
nurses?
If this is not a okay.
No shade to those who are nursesnow, but they must have had some
lack of oversight or some likedesperate.
SPEAKER_00 (14:33):
Well, we'll learn
coming up kind of how she gets
to sneak by some cracks.
So by December of 1990, Beverlyhad secured a short-term
contract at Grantham andCasseven Hospital in
Lincolnshire, working on wardfour, the children's ward.
She was originally at PilgrimHospital at Boston, but because
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of sickness records showing 40days sick in one year, she
missed out on sick childrennursing.
So, like learning how to dothat.
So not only did her educationaltrack record make her
unqualified, in my opinion, inthe first place, she certainly
didn't have the skills ortraining to be working with
these children.
SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
For sure.
SPEAKER_00 (15:17):
But Grantham
Hospital was struggling for
staff nurses, and so the doorswere open for her to find a way
to become a staff nurse therewithout any checks or balances.
They didn't check sicknesssickness records or references.
So corners were cut because theyneeded another pair of hands,
unfortunately.
SPEAKER_01 (15:35):
I hate this.
SPEAKER_00 (15:36):
Mm-hmm.
Colleagues described Beverly asoutwardly polite, helpful, and
on top of things, very eager tovolunteer for extra shifts.
However, beneath that exteriorlie a troubling pattern:
frequent extra night duties, akeen interest in critical
patients, and being alone withpatients at times when collapses
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occurred.
The hospital staff later notedthat she seemed to thrive on
being needed and being presentat emergencies.
And between February and Aprilof 1991, a span of only 59 days,
an exceptionally high andunusual number of critical
incidents occurred in thechildren's ward of the Grantham
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and Castevan Hospital.
The pattern included respiratoryarrests, cardiac arrests,
unexplained collapses, elevatedpotassium readings, insulin
overdoses, and one large airbubble found in a child's body.
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But before we get further intothat, it's time for a child.
That just woke my dog up and shedid not look impressed.
SPEAKER_01 (16:56):
That's because we're
Allie Cats and you're not the
dog.
SPEAKER_00 (17:00):
Yeah.
Okay.
Welcome to the Chart Notesegment where we learn about
what's happening in medicine andhealthcare.
On October 6th, 2025.
So recent.
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Nope.
Sekaguchi.
Yep.
Sekagucchi.
Sorry, Shimon.
I did that way better when Ipracticed.
For uncovering how the immunesystem keeps itself in check.
Working on opposite sides of theworld, the three scientists help
explain one of the body'sgreatest balancing acts, how it
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attacks harmful invaders whilesparing its own healthy tissues.
Their research focused onregulatory T cells or TREGs, a
rare class of white blood cellsthat act as the immune system's
peacekeepers.
Sekaguchi first proposed theirexistence in Japan, showing that
some T cells must suppressexcessive immune reactions.
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Years later, Bronco and Ramsdellidentified the gene behind that
behavior, FOXP3, and proved whathappens when it fails.
Without FOXP3, the immune systemloses control and begins
attacking the body itself.
This discovery reshapes modernimmunology.
By revealing how immunetolerance works, the Trio's
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research offered a new path totreat both autoimmune disease
and cancer, conditions that stemfrom an immune system either too
active or too restrained.
Though no therapies baseddirectly on their work have yet
reached the clinic, more than200 human trials are now
underway exploring how toharness or adjust regulatory T
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cells.
Biotech firms, including one ledby Ramsdell, are developing new
treatments for inflammatorybowel disease and other immune
disorders that once seemeduntreatable.
Karolinska Institute announcedthe prize.
It described their discovery asa cornerstone for future
medicine.
The three scientists, byteaching the world how the
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immune system knows when tofight and when to rest, open the
door to a new era of precisionhealing.
SPEAKER_01 (19:20):
Wow, that's really
exciting.
Imagine those autoimmunediseases that there aren't any
cure, like you know, MS andrheumatoid arthritis.
SPEAKER_00 (19:31):
Yes.
Oh my goodness.
We're on the same wavelength.
SPEAKER_01 (19:33):
Not to mention
cancer.
So I look forward to seeing.
It's funny because it if you sayit fast, it's T-Rex, right?
T Rex.
So it's T Rex, not T Rex, thatare gonna help with I like T-Rex
though.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
We'd like to write
an opinion.
SPEAKER_01 (19:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:52):
Call it T-Rex.
It's gonna rrrrr.
SPEAKER_01 (19:54):
It's gonna fight
cancers, but yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:59):
Okay, back to the
story.
So the rest of this is honestlyjust depressing.
We're gonna focus on thevictims, but again, it's not I
don't know.
It's not as bad as it could be,but it's it's important.
SPEAKER_01 (20:16):
We gotta touch on
the victims.
So we're gonna focus on them.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:21):
And then yeah.
So hold on to your butts, guys.
SPEAKER_01 (20:29):
You got this.
You got this.
SPEAKER_00 (20:31):
Okay.
Seven-week-old Liam Taylor wasadmitted to the children's ward
with a chest infection.
Beverly went out of her way toreassure his parents that he was
in capable hands and persuadedthem to go home and get some
rest.
When they returned, she toldthem that Liam had suffered
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respiratory emergency, but sherecovered him.
She volunteered for extra nightduty that night so she could
watch over the boy, which madethe family feel really good that
she was so dedicated to theirson's care.
The parents also chose to spendthe night at the hospital.
Liam had another respiratorycrisis just before midnight, but
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it was agreed upon by all staffthat he had come through
satisfactorily.
However, when Beverly was leftalone with him, his condition
worsened dramatically, becomingdeathly pale before red blotches
then appeared on his face.
At which point, Beverly alertedthe emergency resuscitation
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team.
Liam suffered cardiac arrestdespite all efforts made by the
team.
He also suffered severe braindamage and remained alive only
by life support machines.
His parents had to make theagonizing decision to remove
their seven-week-old baby fromlife support, and his cause of
death was recorded as heartfailure.
SPEAKER_01 (21:55):
Poor baby angel.
SPEAKER_00 (21:58):
Only two weeks after
Liam's death, Timothy Hardwick,
an 11-year-old with cerebralpalsy, was admitted following an
epileptic episode.
Beverly was assigned to hiscare, and again, following a
period when she was alone withthe boy, she alerted the
emergency resuscitation team whofound him without a pulse and
turning blue.
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Despite all efforts, they wereunable to revive him.
An autopsy later failed toprovide an obvious cause of
death, but epilepsy wasofficially blamed.
I'm here to set the recordstraight.
That's not accurate.
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Five days later, with Beverlypresent, Kaylee went into
cardiac arrest in the same bedwhere Liam Taylor had died a
fortnight before.
The resuscitation team were ableto revive her and she was
transferred to another hospitalin Nottingham, where the
attending physicians discoveredan odd punctuation under her
armpit.
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They also discovered an airbubble near the puncture mark,
which they attributed to anaccidental injection.
SPEAKER_01 (23:15):
How do you
accidentally how old a
one-year-old?
How do you accidentally inject aone-year-old in the armpit?
Okay.
I'm getting mad.
SPEAKER_00 (23:27):
That's a good
question.
But unfortunately, noinvestigation was initiated.
SPEAKER_01 (23:33):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (23:35):
On March 20th, Paul
Crampton was admitted to ward
four at Grantham Hospital for achest infection.
His father, David, recalls ofthe ward that it seemed like a
bright, happy, friendly placewith drawings and things on the
walls.
There were, of course, momentsof staff being rushed or moments
of frantic action, but from whathe could tell inside their
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hospital room, things were fine.
Paul had been in for a few days,but on a Saturday, the family
was told that he would bedischarged the next day.
David stepped out of Paul's roomto grab something to eat from
the hospital cafeteria.
And when he returned, he foundPaul laid in the arms of one of
the nurses.
Paul was described by David ascold, clammy, and lifeless.
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This nurse, yeah, I'm sure youguessed it, Nurse Alet.
And she told David, this childis hypo, which he would later
learn was a reference tohypoglycemia or low blood sugar.
The doctor was called to theroom and gave treatment, and
then the family was invited backin the room.
And when they went back in, Paulwas sitting up and playing with
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his toes.
It was clear to the family thatthe medical staff was struggling
to figure out the cause for suchan attack.
There was no history ofhypoglycemia, so they had no
reason to believe that it wouldhappen again.
So then Sunday comes around, theday of planned discharge, and
Beverly rushed into the room andnoted that Paul was very clammy.
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She called for another nurse'sassistance, and eventually Paul
was stabilized.
Medical staff still had noanswers, and later that day,
David once again stepped out ofthe room, and upon his return,
he found Paul gray and clammy.
Paul was then transferred toQueen's Medical Center in
Nottingham by ambulance.
Fun fact also, Beverly insistedthat she be present during
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transport.
Oh.
And that's happened in a few ofour episodes now.
That's so bizarre.
SPEAKER_01 (25:37):
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (25:41):
So David had
reported that the environment at
QMC was much different.
The staff were calm andconfident, and Paul was
stabilized and rested well inthe ICU.
He got better very quickly andwas soon released from the
hospital.
But the family wasunderstandably nervous upon
discharge because they still hadno answers as to why the
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hypoglycemic attacks werehappening in the first place.
SPEAKER_02 (26:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:07):
The following day,
five-year-old Bradley Gibson,
who was admitted for pneumonia,went into unexpected cardiac
arrest.
Luckily, the resuscitation teamwere successful in their
attempts to revive him.
Subsequent blood tests showedthat his insulin was high, which
made no sense to attendingphysicians.
He suffered yet another heartattack later that night and was
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transferred to Nottingham, wherehe successfully recovered.
On March 22nd, two-year-old YikHung Chan turned blue and
appeared in considerabledistress when Beverly alerted
other staff.
Luckily, he responded well tooxygen and seemingly recovered.
But soon after, he sufferedanother attack, which resulted
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in him being transferred to thatlarger hospital in Nottingham,
where he recovered.
His symptoms were attributed toa fractured skull, which was
said to be a result of a fall.
SPEAKER_01 (27:04):
So he did he wasn't
admitted for a fractured skull.
SPEAKER_00 (27:08):
No.
Oh sure wasn't.
Oh boy.
Oh boy, oh boy.
Just like don't even let yourmind wander, you know.
So next were twins, Katie andBecky Phillips, just three
months old, who were kept in forobservation as a result of
premature delivery.
The twins were discharged, butBecky found her way back to the
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ward on April 1st due togastroenteritis.
After being in the ward for twodays, Beverly once again sounded
the alarm that she neededassistance.
She claimed Becky appearedhypoglycemic and cold to the
touch.
But nothing was found onexamination and Becky was
discharged home.
During the night, Becky wentinto convulsions and was crying
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out in apparent pain.
Her parents called the doctorwho suggested she must have
colic.
The parents kept her in theirbed with them so that they would
be close, and unfortunately, shedied during the night.
SPEAKER_02 (28:02):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (28:04):
Despite an autopsy,
no clear cause of death was
determined, and it wasdocumented to be a cot death.
As a precaution, her survivingtwin Katie was admitted to the
hospital for observation.
Having just lost one of theirchildren, they requested a nurse
to be with her at all times.
SPEAKER_01 (28:21):
Oh no.
Oh no, tell me it's not her.
SPEAKER_00 (28:25):
It wasn't long
before Beverly was summoning the
team to revive baby Katie, whohad stopped breathing while she
was feeding her.
SPEAKER_01 (28:34):
Oh.
SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
Revival efforts were
successful, but just two days
later, she suffered anotherattack and was then transferred
to Nottingham.
While there, they discoveredthat five of her ribs were
broken and she sufferedsignificant brain damage as a
result of oxygen deprivation.
SPEAKER_02 (28:51):
Oh no.
SPEAKER_00 (28:52):
To add insult to
injury, Katie's mother, Sue
Phillips, was so grateful toBeverly for having saved her
baby's life that she asked herto be Katie's godmother.
So when they when they broughtKatie back to the hospital, she
was already Katie's godmother.
And then she still went and didthis.
unknown (29:12):
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01 (29:14):
I I'm just there's a
special place in hell for this
woman.
I what a monster.
This poor, poor family.
SPEAKER_00 (29:24):
I know.
So like I said, of course,Beverly accepted the role of
godmother, despite havingafflicted partial paralysis,
cerebral palsy, vision andhearing damage to Katie.
But this cold truth was onlyknown to Beverly at this point.
(29:44):
Daniel Swannick was admitted toward four for asthma.
His father, Paul, said of theward, I thought it was a magical
place.
I really did.
The staff were absolutelybrilliant, very friendly.
It was a heartwarming place togo into, and there was more hope
than sad.
After a few days of his sonbeing admitted, he and his wife
at the time noticed that thestaff started being becoming
(30:07):
irritable and that people wererunning around like headless
chickens, he said.
They didn't think too much intoit because they weren't aware of
anything that was going onoutside of their own room, but
they certainly knew that themorale had gone down.
Soon Daniel was starting to getbetter, and staff were removing
his IVs, preparing him fordischarge.
Daniel's mother, who was asmoker, planned to step outside
(30:30):
for a quick heater, but stoppedby the playroom and asked one of
the nurses if she could keep aneye on Daniel while she stepped
out, to which the nurse agreed.
While outside, she got ahorrible feeling in her gut and
decided to go back inside.
She found that Daniel wasmissing from the playroom.
She rushed it rushed to his roomand found a nurse, nurse Beverly
(30:53):
Alet, administering medication.
No, no, no, she begged.
She stated her son did not needmedication and that they were
being discharged.
She arrived to the room just intime.
SPEAKER_01 (31:05):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (31:06):
Beverly stomped her
stupid fucking little feet and
exited the room.
SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
Oh my gosh.
That mother's instinct for thiswoman.
SPEAKER_00 (31:15):
Talk about a mama
intuition.
SPEAKER_01 (31:18):
That was just touch
and go.
Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_00 (31:22):
Four more victims
followed.
Michael Davidson, ChristopherPeasgood, Christopher King, and
Patrick Ellstone.
It wasn't until victim number13, Claire Peck, that suspicions
started to rise.
Claire was a 15-month-old whowas an asthmatic that required a
breathing tube.
She had suffered an attack athome and unfortunately wasn't
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getting better, prompting theadmission to Ward 4.
While in Beverly's care for mereminutes, she suffered a heart
attack.
The resuscitation team wassuccessful in reviving her, but
it happened again later whenClaire was alone with Beverly
that she suffered a secondattack.
She unfortunately would notsurvive the second attack.
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Her autopsy indicated that shehad died from natural causes,
but an inquiry was initiated byDr.
Nelson Porter, a consultant atthe hospital, because of the
high number of cardiac arrestsin the children's ward over a
two-month period.
An airborne virus was suspectedto be the culprit initially, but
nothing was found.
A test came back that revealedhigh levels of potassium in baby
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Claire's blood, which begged thedecision to loop in local
authorities 18 days later.
Claire's body was exhumed andthey discovered traces of
lignocaine in her system, a drugused during cardiac arrest, but
there was no documentation thatthis was ever given to Claire.
SPEAKER_01 (32:51):
Oh wow, Amanda.
First of all, well done gettingthrough this.
Thank you.
I just I I'm I'm in I'm justabsolutely horrified and
disgusted.
I'm glad that we're breakingthis up because I want to spend
next week hearing abouthopefully some form of justice,
(33:14):
although justice could neverbring these poor children and
their those who were alive butinjured can never rectify that.
SPEAKER_00 (33:27):
13 victims about a
14th next week.
SPEAKER_01 (33:32):
But 13 victims in
one hospital.
So earlier you said it was k itwas Grantham and then Kent
Kentiswick or some other things.
SPEAKER_00 (33:42):
Grantham and
Castevin hospital.
SPEAKER_01 (33:44):
So so it's one
hospital, it's not two different
hospitals.
Okay.
So I was like, how, but still,so that's even more of a like to
me a red flag.
Like I could understand if shewas hospital bouncing, why it
wouldn't seem to stack up.
But 13 and it and she wasn'tthere for that long.
SPEAKER_00 (34:06):
Of course, like as
you know, when we do research,
some resources say one thing,some resource sources say
another, but it seemed like mostall of them were transferred to
that same hospital inNottingham.
Or like, I don't know how many.
They must have the ICU or yeah.
unknown (34:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:22):
Yeah, so it's like
nothing was tipped off there
either.
Like, wow, Grantham and CustDevon send in a lot of beads
over here.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (34:31):
My goodness.
SPEAKER_00 (34:32):
Um, but also we're
in the early 90s.
Things are different now.
SPEAKER_01 (34:36):
Yeah, there's not
that seamless.
Well, first of all, we don'thave electronic medical records
as a known thing, right?
I mean, I'm trying to rememberfirst time I used one.
It was late 90s.
So there's not that sharing ofinformation.
It's the the handoff is probablya lot less and more just like
preserve life not right now, notwho was the nurse in the except
(34:59):
when she's riding in theflipping ambulance with the
child.
SPEAKER_00 (35:03):
I know.
I'm like, and that was after afew had already been transferred
there.
So I was kind of wondering like,was she thinking, Am I gonna get
caught?
I have to like go with so I cancover my booty on the way and
kind of like fabricate a story,like look at it.
SPEAKER_01 (35:18):
I think she wanted
to inject them with a little
more lignocaine or whatever,potassium, whatever she was
doing to create these whicheverone she was doing to that child.
SPEAKER_00 (35:26):
Yeah.
Outside of, I don't know,breaking their bones.
SPEAKER_01 (35:29):
Yeah, so that's the
other horrific piece to this is
she's physically amazing want tovomit.
I feel nauseated.
I can't imagine how you feelwith a little one on board.
She was physically abusing them,not just with medication, but
physical abuse.
SPEAKER_00 (35:47):
I don't know if I
wrote this in what what in here
if I read it or not, but likeone of the babies had fractured
ribs.
You did, and then the headinjury or skull fracture.
Yeah.
The fractured ribs wereliterally just from her
squeezing the baby so hard.
Like, how do you do that to ababy?
SPEAKER_01 (36:06):
Anybody, but yeah,
and you're in a trusted
position.
And the fact that that evillittle twist of of on her part
of accepting this godmotherrole.
SPEAKER_00 (36:17):
I know that killed
killed one twin and maimed the
other for life.
SPEAKER_01 (36:24):
I just I want to
cry, I want to spit, I want to
punch something.
So, like I said, I'm glad we'restopping here before things get
filing up in my end because I'mso upset.
But you know what?
Shout out to Dr.
Porter because finally I and Iassume I assume it's a major I
know Nottingham is huge, so no,that was where they were
(36:45):
transferred to.
So I don't know if Grantham.
SPEAKER_00 (36:48):
So Grantham is like
I looked this up.
I feel like it was only like 13miles from Nottingham.
SPEAKER_01 (36:55):
But in terms of like
the size of the the si how many
beds, the size of the hospital,like that there was just a lot
going on to where a pattern likethis didn't emerge because of
the traffic coming throughsooner.
SPEAKER_00 (37:07):
Who knows if like
even a Google search would yield
accurate like in 1991 was thehospital size the same?
Did they add on?
SPEAKER_01 (37:13):
Like Yeah, I'm just
gonna go with it wasn't picked
up sooner because it was hugeand Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:20):
When you think when
people arrive by ambulance, like
you go to the ER first and thenyou get triaged to wherever you
need to go.
So that also could have been ablinder for red flags, right?
I mean, if they don't all end upin the same pick you, nick you,
I see you, whatever.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (37:39):
I don't know.
I'm fascinated with her earlychildhood.
I wonder what the impetus wasfor like normal it starts what
started out as a normalchildhood behavior and then
turned into an obsession and afascination with her.
SPEAKER_00 (37:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:53):
Like she fell one
day and was like, ooh, somebody
like m look at this.
Was she a neglected child andshe realized she had a lot more
attention?
Like, were things just busy andshe didn't get the attention she
needed?
SPEAKER_00 (38:04):
And I mean Yeah, I
don't know.
Because again, by all accounts,nice family, nice village.
I don't know.
But there is stuff that I didresearch on that I'll share next
week from a criminologist.
SPEAKER_01 (38:21):
Oh, okay, cool.
SPEAKER_00 (38:22):
And um a
psychologist.
So we'll like get into thatstuff later.
SPEAKER_01 (38:25):
I just want to say
one more thing before we move on
to happier things, or hopefullythe medical mishap is funny, but
maybe it's not.
I don't know.
Okay, so a lot of this stuff itwas started out as normal-ish
and then got a little weird,like you know, exaggerating
stuff.
Like, oh, she's a little cuckoo.
Some kids do that still, though,and don't turn out to be vile,
(38:45):
like she did.
But I'm sorry, as a family, ifyour child is catheterizing
herself first and injectingwater into her breast, I don't
care how old she is, but itsounds like it was pretty young.
That's immediately a hundred redflags, and let's get the child
(39:05):
some help.
And also kind of screams like,did she have a history of sexual
abuse?
Like, did somebody abuse her?
SPEAKER_00 (39:11):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (39:12):
But anyway, so
that's my not I'm not a
psychologist, but if I put apsychologist hat on, I'm like,
hmm, something happened aroundthat time.
SPEAKER_00 (39:20):
You're like, these
are the questions I would be
asking.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:22):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:24):
Also, because you
know this is how our brains
work, but like when I'm likegoing reading through a case, my
brain sometimes starts thinkingabout other things.
And so I thought about this whenI was reading, and I don't want
to forget to say, I should havesaid at the beginning, but very
nice work editing the lastepisode as well, because you
usually just have our twotracks, but you had to merge
(39:45):
three tracks and edit, and Iknow it took you a lot longer,
so good job.
SPEAKER_01 (39:49):
Oh, thank you.
Listen, I also look I'm lookingforward to me sounding less like
an elderly woman in need of anoxygen tank this week.
There was a lot of me coughingand wheezing like what are those
old aunts on The Simpsons, youknow, the that smoke and they're
like, you know, I felt like thatwas me, but anyway, at least you
guys pulled up the uh level ofquality of of voice.
SPEAKER_00 (40:14):
I mean, I think
Shannon just really drove it
home.
Everyone was very impressed withShannon's speaking voice.
SPEAKER_01 (40:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (40:21):
Which is very good,
Shannon.
They are not wrong.
SPEAKER_01 (40:23):
Yeah.
No, no, no, we love you, butwe're also a little bit like,
oh.
SPEAKER_00 (40:26):
But like all those
things sound good.
Better.
Oh my gosh.
Way to show us up.
But to quote Taylor Swift, therewouldn't have been this if there
hadn't been you, Shannon.
Aww.
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It'll tell you.
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SPEAKER_00 (42:42):
Oh my goodness, you
guys, I really should have had
it.
You know what, Jenna?
I have a correction section.
Yay! There's a first time we'regoing.
Oh god.
Okay, well.
SPEAKER_01 (42:59):
Did your dog just
fart?
Okay, sorry, I just thought lookon her face and I was like, did
I is that something I said?
No, no, it's Raven.
SPEAKER_00 (43:06):
No, I'm just like
getting gassed out.
SPEAKER_01 (43:10):
Whoo, sister.
Maybe, maybe Raven would benefitfrom a quantum square.
SPEAKER_00 (43:18):
Yikes.
SPEAKER_01 (43:19):
Gotta love dogs.
SPEAKER_00 (43:20):
We should get a
sponsor for listen up, sponsors
out there.
We should get a sponsor for likedogs with IBS.
Oh, yeah.
Dog vitamins or like Yeah.
Because that kind of stuff is soexpensive.
SPEAKER_01 (43:34):
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out to us, sponsors.
We're we're up for it.
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Yeah.
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We do, we do.
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We like animals.
I would love to.
We're bouncing off the railshere.
Do you want to do our medicalmishap?
Yeah.
Alright.
Well, let's let's it starts out.
SPEAKER_01 (43:50):
Hey Jenna.
I see the words bowel rejection,so that's good.
Speaking of farts, bowels.
Raven has gave us a great segueinto this medical mishap.
It starts out.
Hey Jenna and Amanda, longtimelistener, first time emailer
here.
I'm an RN in a mid-sizedhospital on a med surge floor,
(44:13):
and I swear every shift gives meat least one story worthy of
your podcast.
Oh well, we want to hear morefrom you, Miss Listener.
We'll start with this one, theysay.
It was a hectic Friday evening,the kind where every bed was
full.
Every IV pump was beeping, and Iwas running on caffeine and
adrenaline.
(44:34):
My patient, an elderly gentlemanrecovering from a bowel
resection, was finally stableenough to be transferred to a
rehab facility.
Things were going smoothly untiltransport arrived early.
Suddenly I was in a mad dash toget him cleaned up, medicated,
and packed for transfer.
He had dentures soaking in a cupby the sink, and as I was
(44:55):
tidying up the room I decided toempty the basin and clear the
area.
Oh, clean the area.
I placed the dentures on awashcloth so that I could rinse
out the cup, multitasking asnurses do, and then someone
called my name from the hallway.
Without thinking, I grabbed whatwas on the counter, including
the dentures, wrapped in thatcloth, shoved it in my and
shoved it in my scrub pocket todeal with later.
(45:19):
Fast forward about twentyminutes, the patient was
dressed, paperwork signed, andtransport had wheeled him out.
I was patting my pockets lookingfor looking for a pen when I
felt something hard, oddlyshaped, and slightly damp.
I pulled out the washcloth andnearly screamed when I saw the
dentist staring back at me likesome sort of macabre puppet.
(45:40):
I sprinted down the hall towardstransport, praying they hadn't
left yet.
I just imagined this nursescreaming down the hall, your
teeth, your teeth, go back.
Wait, your teeth.
Hold them.
Of course the elevator doorswere closing just as I reached
the end of the corridor.
I waved those dentures in theair like a oh I was right, I
(46:01):
hadn't even read it yet.
I waved those dentures in theair like a lunatic, yelling the
patient's name.
One of the transport techs sawme and mercifully hit the door
open button.
I handed over the dentures likeI was passing a sacred relic.
The patient thought it washilarious, luckily.
I laughed, but internally I wasmortified.
To this day, my coworkers stilljoke about me being the tooth
(46:24):
thief.
It's like the opposite of thetooth very funny.
But also, how do people notrealize they don't have their
teeth in their mouth?
Anyway, the lesson learned.
Check your pockets and yourmouth before you clock out or
leave the hospital.
Thanks for letting me share myembarrassing moment, and thanks
for making a podcast that helpsus laugh at the chaos that is
(46:45):
healthcare.
Sincerely, a very flustered RNwho now double checks
everything.
Oh, well, thank you, flustered,for listen, you're not alone.
You talked about multitasking.
Oh man, I don't know how younurses do it.
I had a million differentobligations.
They got it from both ends.
The doctors, the the patientsthemselves, the family members.
It's it's quite a juggling act.
(47:06):
Yeah.
Every angle.
Yeah, bless our nurses with theexception of the evil villain in
this story.
Yeah.
But it's yeah.
Most of y'all are angels.
So next week we are going tohear the outcome of this
horrific career.
And meanwhile, do you haveanything else to say before we
(47:31):
close up?
Okay.
No.
unknown (47:34):
No.
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Goodbye.
Goodbye.