November 14, 2025 • 49 mins
The scariest villains don’t lurk in shadows; they wear scrubs, speak softly, and learn your child’s name. We return to the Beverly Allitt case and follow the tight trail from confusion to certainty: unexplained pediatric collapses, careful interviews, and the lab result that cracked it open—insulin present with no C peptide, a forensic fingerprint of injection. That single biochemical detail reframed the entire investigation, linking opportunity, access, and intention in a way charm couldn’t erase.
Between the hard chapters, we keep space for the human side of care—a “chart note” on engineered gut bacteria that could reduce kidney stones, a quick laugh from a translation mishap that reminds us why presence matters more than devices, and two sponsor spotlights aimed at real-life needs. Through it all, we hold to one theme: trust is fragile. Safeguards—from key control to documentation and lab literacy—aren’t red tape; they are the rails that keep patients safe when charisma tries to derail the truth.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:01):
Amanda.
unknown (00:08):
Hi.
SPEAKER_00 (00:08):
How are you, chickadee dee dee di?
SPEAKER_03 (00:11):
The real good.
How are you?
SPEAKER_00 (00:16):
Good.
I am so stoked to hear aboutpart two of this horrific tale
and for hopefully someadjustice.
Well deserved.
SPEAKER_03 (00:27):
Oh yes.
I'm excited to share part twowith you guys.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
We were just talking before we started about spoiler
alert, we debug before we startthis.
It's ladybug in the face seasonhere in Minnesota.
Oh my gosh, and they're not realladybugs.
Do they come from Japan?
I don't know.
They're like little bitey onesthat are rusty orange and mean.
SPEAKER_03 (00:53):
I know.
And they they you don't evenknow.
Like I'll be a walking raven,and one will land on me, and I
don't even know.
And then it starts biting me,and I'm like, what the hell?
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
I know.
Why are they so mean?
I used to think they were sweet,you know?
SPEAKER_03 (01:08):
I know.
It's like a different brand.
I don't like it.
They're rude.
SPEAKER_00 (01:12):
My daughter has a friend named Laney, and she
dressed up as Ladybug forHalloween, otherwise calling
herself the Laneybug.
Oh, which is so cute.
But I was like, do you havethanks?
Because if you're a Minnesotaladybug, you're not a friend.
Valid question.
SPEAKER_03 (01:31):
You're a foe.
I have asked people, like, sincewhen are ladybugs so rude?
unknown (01:37):
I know.
SPEAKER_03 (01:38):
Like in childhood, growing up, I'm like, they used
to be cute.
Count their little speckles.
SPEAKER_00 (01:44):
We used to be like, yeah, you count their freckles
and you go fly home to howevermany freckles worth of babies.
Ladybug, ladybug, fly on home,something or other.
Your house is on fire and yourchildren are alone.
Wow.
Oh, that's a little bitsinister.
Wow.
Did you not do that one?
No.
Oh.
I kind of want to look it up.
Yeah.
Oh boy, I feel ancient at thispoint.
(02:06):
But yes.
SPEAKER_03 (02:07):
Maybe they got sick of being told their house was on
fire.
SPEAKER_00 (02:10):
So they're like, I'm and your children are alone.
And they're like, we don't care.
We want to just bite us a human.
Oh man.
Is this the point where we talkabout correction section?
I think we have a couple.
SPEAKER_03 (02:29):
So first I'll share that last time when I was
reading about quantum squares.
I apparently just, you know,didn't put the percentage off
on.
I guessed, Jenna guessed.
I think it was in the middle ofour guesses at 25% off.
SPEAKER_00 (02:45):
Yeah.
One of us said 20 and the othersaid 30.
But guess what, guys?
25% that's a quarter.
25% off.
A quarter of the price taken offjust for our.
SPEAKER_03 (02:59):
I think that's the one that ended on Halloween.
SPEAKER_00 (03:02):
Okay.
So it doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_03 (03:05):
So anyway, we're just correcting ourselves for
the record, but when we tell youit's a limited time deal, it's a
limited time deal.
SPEAKER_00 (03:14):
Yeah, yeah, I gotta get on it.
And so kudos to those of you whowho listened and responded in a
timely fashion.
The other correction is thatjust laughing at Amanda's notes.
Jenna moved to the woods and shehasn't discovered the internet
yet.
SPEAKER_03 (03:34):
I said the woods haven't discovered the internet
yet.
You're missing the internet.
SPEAKER_00 (03:40):
Yeah, so our timing is a bit off.
We're still thank you forbearing with us and having
patience.
We're still not sure whenrecording day and producing day
will be.
We're gonna definitely get youan episode a week, but it might
vary for a while until we figureout if, you know, we can upload.
So what happened was after 21years at my previous job, I
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moved four or five hours northof where I was.
And it's way up at the boonies,beautiful place, but signal
isn't always reliable.
So loving my new life, however,not so great when it comes to
reliable signals.
So stay tuned, listeners, andthank you for your patience.
SPEAKER_03 (04:25):
Yes.
So the schedule change that Iposted that may change again,
but that's fine because you knowwhat?
The woods don't have theinternet, and we're just trying
to figure that out as we gohere.
SPEAKER_00 (04:37):
I'm wondering if the bears are blocking the signal.
I Keith Kid or the Moose.
Just moose.
I don't know.
Do you know how big those thingsare?
I mean, I haven't run into oneyet, but I've been warned by
people around here, and they'relike as big as a truck.
Like I've never seen one inperson.
(04:58):
So me either, and I hope to Ihope that that stays the way it
is.
But that being said, thatbetween that and an 11-foot bear
that I've been told about.
Legendary.
Legendary bear.
If any of our listeners have anyadvice for how to survive a bear
(05:19):
attack or get rid of bears andEast Moose, let us know.
I'm collecting suggestions.
Originally I thought maybe Icould climb a tree, but
apparently they're littlebeasties are really good at
that.
They're excellent.
SPEAKER_03 (05:31):
Yeah.
So I might just stay inside.
And obvious, obviously, theobvious of don't leave your
trash out.
Because when I lived up north,definitely way more I hate to
say civilized, but uh we didn'thave internet issues.
But we had bear issues, and wow,did they love to fuck up some
trash?
Oh my gosh.
(05:52):
Yeah, that's concerning.
It would be like driving in aneighborhood and everyone's
trash just tipped over.
It's kind of funny, but it alsosucked if you had to pick up all
your ripped trash.
SPEAKER_00 (06:02):
I mean, don't we call raccoons trash bandits?
What are bears like trash trashdemons compared to raccoons?
The rashers.
unknown (06:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
Trash trashers.
Oh my gosh.
What's really funny is mycolleagues got me a like a going
away survival kit before I movedup here, and you're one of
those, thank you.
And in that kit, you probablyknow since you were part of it,
was a how to survive a bearattack book of helpful hints,
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which rather than helpful, theyseem to be more terrifying than
anything.
But so thanks.
But also a because I don't Ilove animals and and I I
appreciate the fact that we needto hunt and you know,
overpopulations of things, butI'm not you know, not a big fan
of doing that myself, whichmakes me a hypocrite, I guess.
(06:55):
But anyhow, if if a bear comesup to me, normally people would
choose a bear spray or somekind, but I was given because I
don't like to hurt animals, Iwas given a canister that
releases a I don't know, 140decibel signal to scare the
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bear.
At which point I was like,that's wonderful.
So a bear is coming up to me.
I release this, I release thissiren thing, and I mean it looks
like a a can of mace, and Irelease it and it's 140 decibels
or whatever it is.
Both I and the bear are bothdeafened.
(07:38):
What happens when the bear comesback?
Because he's already deaf.
So I'm gonna hold that thing upagain and he's gonna go.
I don't care, I can't hear it.
SPEAKER_03 (07:44):
Both of you, you're not gonna even hear the bear
coming.
You're gonna know if it'sworking.
SPEAKER_00 (07:49):
So, yeah, suggestions, comments, advice,
reach out, you know.
The girl's a bit worried aboutsurvival here in the wilderness,
but but thanks to Git for thegift.
SPEAKER_03 (08:02):
They're gonna hibernate soon, you'll be okay.
You have a a little bit of time,they're hungry right now.
But uh, so if you can getthrough this hunger part,
they'll be hibernating.
SPEAKER_00 (08:13):
And then in the spring when they come out, what
do they come out at the sametime as the groundhog to look
around?
I don't know.
I mean, we always hear aboutthis this groundhog is gonna
determine whether or not we getan extra.
Okay.
All right.
Well, so I'll look out for thegroundhog and then replenish my
supplies of and get my hearingprotection out so that at least
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I won't lose my hearing if I'mlike there goes that girl that
walks around with all thehearing sounding off at a bear.
Yeah.
Oh my goodness.
Anyway, so what's in store forus today?
We've got a we've got a newsponsor.
Tell me about this one.
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Right?
Also, I just heard an ad on theradio today for like a Pilates
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Get it right, get it tight.
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Yeah.
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You know, kind of not really fitting into regular
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not pregnant.
So if y'all try them, please letme know.
I'll big leggings gal.
I think I forgot to say this thelast time, but as always, the
resources will be in the shownotes.
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And one of my main sources thatI got a lot of the transcript
stuff from was from BBC, andthey did a series called the
Beverly Alett Tapes, which ishonestly just chilling because
it's real tapes of herinvestigations and whatnot.
unknown (11:11):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (11:12):
And same trigger warning as last week of child
abuse, which I don't thinkprobably in part two we really
get into that as much.
It was just my trigger warningfrom the last time.
But let's see if we can findsome justice for these kiddos.
SPEAKER_00 (11:27):
Let's.
SPEAKER_03 (11:29):
So, friends, Alley Cats, welcome to episode 39,
part two of the Beverly Aletstory.
Last week we learned who Beverlyis, her background, and her
upbringing, as well as herjourney to becoming a nurse.
We ended the episode hearingabout the 13 helpless children
that were brought into thehospital by their loving
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parents, and then they becamevictims at the hands of Beverly.
And unfortunately, not all ofthem survived.
SPEAKER_00 (11:59):
So sad.
SPEAKER_03 (12:01):
So a team of detectives was established at
the Grantham police station toinvestigate the large number of
attacks that had happened overan eight-week period, some
resulting in death, but evenmore concerning that the
episodes didn't appear to benatural.
Michelle Billingsley, detectiveinspector on the family service
unit, was sent to the Granthamhospital to make general
(12:23):
inquiries to the staff and theparents involved.
She was trying to establish whathad happened, but I mean, they
were going in blind.
They had no clue what they werelooking for.
And again, I mentioned thisbefore, but they thought
initially there was possiblyjust an innocent bug going
around that was causing thecollapse of these children.
(12:44):
Because why would we ever wantto assume that some monster is
doing this on purpose?
Right.
Michelle noted that in theinterviews, Beverly Alet was
very pleasant and really kind.
She seemed kind of quiet, butshe was willing to talk and
assist with the inquiry.
She wasn't set apart from theother staff in the ward that
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were questioned.
Detectives sat and looked ateach case and the staff who had
cared for the children.
And by the time of thequestioning, detectives were
aware that she had been presentfor every attack that a child
had suffered.
But they weren't able to marryher demeanor in the interviews
with someone who would becapable of doing this.
SPEAKER_00 (13:28):
I know, but that's the nature of a sociopath,
right?
Yeah.
They're good at this.
Yeah.
Masking.
SPEAKER_03 (13:36):
It wasn't too difficult to realize that the
crimes were being committed, butthey needed hard proof.
Detectives contacted ProfessorHull at QMC to review Paul
Crampton's medical files.
After review, he didn'texplicitly say the words
attempted murder, but he sharedhe was certain that something
unlawful had happened.
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The medical staff couldn't comeup with any evidence that the
insulin had been intentionallyinjected, but they also couldn't
come up with any sort of diseaseor disorder that would cause the
body to overproduce insulineither.
Vincent Marks, who's a professoremeritus of clinical
biochemistry, was at aconference in Glasgow and was
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told that the police wanted totalk to him.
And he was like, What the hell?
Why do the police want to talkto him?
Right?
Yikes.
So he like left the conferenceroom he was in and got on the
phone with the police, and theyexplained that they were
investigating a possibleintentional insulin overdose.
So he was able to prove that theinsulin had been injected into
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Paul because there was aninsulin present in the blood,
but no C peptide.
So he explained that insulin ismade in the body naturally and
it circulates in the bloodstreamas a natural substance.
In our bodies, insulin is alwaysreleased into the bloodstream
from the pancreas where it ismade, and another sister
hormone, C peptide.
(15:01):
So if you measure C peptide inblood, it is always higher in
concentration than insulinbecause it disappears from the
blood more slowly than insulin.
So although they both go intothe blood at the same rate, the
insulin disappears faster.
So if you find insulin and no Cpeptide, the only absolute cause
of the high insulin and the lowC peptide is that someone has
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given the patient insulin from abottle.
SPEAKER_00 (15:27):
Oh my God, that is so fascinating.
SPEAKER_03 (15:29):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00 (15:30):
You knew.
SPEAKER_03 (15:31):
Wow.
Uh-huh.
Wow.
Like, thank goodness theythought to call Mr.
Smarty Pants.
SPEAKER_00 (15:36):
Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
I mean, that's that's black andwhite evidence right there.
SPEAKER_03 (15:40):
Mm-hmm.
Paul's insulin result was thehighest that Professor Marks had
ever seen, and there was no Cpeptide present.
And that is how he knew it wasmalicious.
SPEAKER_00 (15:52):
Wow.
My I've got chills.
Go, Professor Marks.
SPEAKER_03 (15:59):
Within a few days, it was evident that the only
person who could be guilty wasBeverly Allett.
She was the only one presentduring all of the attacks.
She also had access to the drugsand the keys relevant to the
investigation.
There were missing nursing logs,unexplained drug orders, and
discrepancies in the medicationstorage.
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They had good evidence that shehad something to do with it, but
again, they didn't have actualindividual evidence.
When she was questioned, shetold police that she did
remember Paul Crampton being onthe ward.
She recalled that he was therefor a possible chest infection
and that he was, quote, wheezy,very wheezy, end quote.
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When questioned more directlyabout Paul and his hypoglycemic
episodes, they told her that shewas the only one who had a
window of opportunity topossibly inject insulin into
Paul.
Her response was, quote, whywould I do that?
I wouldn't do that.
You think I went in there andlooked at that baby and said,
here, have some of this,referring to the insulin, and
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then left?
End quote.
SPEAKER_00 (17:07):
Yes, Beverly.
That's exactly what everyonethinks, Beverly.
SPEAKER_03 (17:15):
We think we know.
On May 21st, 1991, Beverly Aletwas arrested at her home for
suspicion of theft of a key fromthe hospital and the attempted
murder of Paul Crampton.
While being interviewed at thestation, they discussed that the
fridge key on the big key ringto the drug trolley was missing,
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and they suspected that she hadit, and that is how she had
access to the insulin that sheinjected into Paul.
SPEAKER_00 (17:44):
So so that was a fridge.
Sorry, so that wasn't like theemployee lunch fridge.
That was the fridge for themedication.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (17:52):
And it was just like a huge key ring of keys, and
this one particular key to theto the fridge was gone off the
keyring.
So she claimed repeatedly, overand over and over, that she
would never do such a thing,saying, I'm really going to give
that harm harmful drug to atiny, helpless little baby.
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Yeah, Bev, that's what we think.
SPEAKER_00 (18:18):
So evil.
Because she obviously knew itwas wrong.
Yeah.
If she's gonna say things likethat.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (18:25):
And I just think back to last week when we talked
about how she accepted the roleas godmother for that one child.
Like, you are such a monster.
SPEAKER_00 (18:34):
Evil godmother.
SPEAKER_03 (18:36):
She was also adamant that she had never seen the
missing key.
Beverly sat through ninedifferent interviews that day
that started at 10:30 in themorning and they ended at 9.30
at night.
They kept their focus on thekey, hoping that she would slip
up.
Because, you see, they knew thatduring her first interview at
the hospital, she had said shehad no idea about the key.
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But in her second interview atthe hospital, which was a week
after the first, she rememberedvery detailed accounts about the
missing key.
She said in that secondinterview that she was asked to
go to the fridge to get some eyedrops.
And when she got to the fridge,the key was missing.
But now here we are at thepolice station and she magically
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knows nothing about the keyagain.
He interviewed her moreaggressively than anyone had all
day.
Whereas before it seemed asthough she built rapport with
the detectives.
Because they're like, how do weapproach this?
(19:40):
Are we trying to like buildrapport?
Hope she slips up.
And this guy came in and waslike, nah.
And and also that's the end ofthe day.
She's tired.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
She's tired.
And sociopaths are charming.
They're able to really buildrapport somehow and recognize
what it takes to charm someoneand keep them off the scent.
So I think that was an excellenttactic on his part.
SPEAKER_03 (20:05):
Agree.
So Officer Reeves'aggressiveness made her become
antagonistic, and hervulnerabilities began to show.
And she knew it, which decreasedher confidence.
So ding ding ding.
Go, Officer Reeve.
Yay! Dr.
Don Archer, professor ofpragmatics and corpus
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linguistics at ManchesterMetropolitan University, said,
quote, Beverly was remarkablycalm for someone of her age and
someone who had never beenquestioned by the police before,
but was being asked to giveinterviews back to back to back.
I think she was someone who wasgood at telling stories.
However, when Officer Reeveflipped the script, her pitch
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begins to rise during theinterview, which shows stress.
She also began to show doublenegation, which shows that her
confidence was crumbling.
End quote.
SPEAKER_00 (20:57):
I love that.
I love that.
SPEAKER_03 (20:59):
I know.
Following the nine interviewsthat day, she was released on
bail.
Police continued to collectevidence.
And then they found that she wasmoonlighting at Lancaster House
Nursing Home.
Resident Dorothy Lowe wasinjected with insulin and died
of a hypoglycemic attack.
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She, Beverly, was seen byhousekeeping at 3 a.m.
with a syringe in her hand.
And that was her smoking gun.
SPEAKER_02 (21:30):
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03 (21:30):
She was again arrested on the suspicion of the
murder of Dorothy Lowe.
And when questioned, she wouldonly say, no reply.
Which is honestly so infuriatingto me.
SPEAKER_00 (21:43):
Oh my goodness.
She's on a rampage.
SPEAKER_03 (21:47):
But before we get more into that, it's time for a
chartnote.
Welcome to the chartnotesegment, where we learn about
what's happening in medicine andhealthcare.
In July 2025, researchers atStanford University announced a
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breakthrough approach topreventing kidney stones using
genetically engineered gutbacteria.
Their goal was to tackle one ofthe main culprits behind kidney
stone formation, oxalate, whichis a compound that can build up
in the body when the kidneysfail to filter it properly.
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For people with EH, enterichyperoxalaria, a condition that
causes excessive oxalateabsorption, the risk is even
higher, and existing treatmentsare often limited or
ineffective.
To address this, scientists turnto naturally occurring gut micro
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phosicolia, blah blah blah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:57):
You wanna check that?
Yeah.
Uh I mean, I think you did agreat job, but I would say
phosicola fugatis.
Got it.
SPEAKER_03 (23:06):
Sounds like a bugatti.
They modified the bacterium.
You guys, I'm not amicrobiologist, okay.
What?
Yeah, right.
They modified the bacterium tobreak down oxalate inside the
digestive tract before it couldenter the bloodstream.
To make the system controllable,they added a clever safety
feature.
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The bacteria was also engineeredto depend on porphyrin, a
nutrient found in seaweed.
This meant that the bacteriacould thrive only when the
porphyrin was present in theperson's diet, essentially
giving researchers a way to turnthe bacteria on or off.
The research unfolded in severalstages.
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First, animal studies, whererats fed, were fed a high
oxalate diet, showed up to 47%reduction in urinary oxalate
levels after being colonizedwith the engineered bacteria.
In a separate rat modelmimicking enterochiperoxluria,
the usual spike in oxalateexcretion was completely
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prevented, a striking resultthat gave researchers confidence
to move to human testing.
And in the first human trial, 39healthy volunteers received a
single oral dose of theengineered bacterium.
Results showed that colonizationwas dose-dependent and could be
effectively managed by adjustingthe porphyrin intake.
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The approach appeared safe andwell tolerated with no adverse
events reported.
And in most participants, thebacteria cleared naturally once
the porphyrin was removed fromtheir diets.
However, in two cases, modifiedmicrobe persisted in the gut
even after antibiotic treatment,likely because some of its genes
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were exchanged with the nativebacteria.
SmartyPants science stuff.
There's always a couple in astudy, right?
SPEAKER_01 (24:59):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (24:59):
So, but that did raise important questions about
long-term containment andgenetic stability.
But finally, the team tested thetherapy in nine patients with
enteric hyperoxaluria, six ofwhom completed it, and the
reduction reduction showed anaverage of about 27%.
Results were not statisticallysignificant due to a small
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sample size, but the trendsuggests that the therapy could
be effective with refined andlarger studies.
Overall, this finding marks amajor step forward in using
engineered gut biomes as livingtherapeutics, which is super
exciting because I've never hada kidney stone, but I know
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people have had kidney stonesand they are miserable.
SPEAKER_00 (25:51):
I don't know.
I mean, sorry, I didn't mean tosay giving birth is horrible,
like worse than giving birth.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (25:59):
So yeah, for such a tiny little thing.
SPEAKER_00 (26:02):
Because you don't get the epidural or the joy of
having a kid at the end of it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (26:10):
Yeah.
Oh, there's everyone juststraining their pee out there
hoping that it came through.
So anyway, that's exciting.
Okay, back to the story.
In October of 1991, Beverly wascharged with four counts of
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murder, 13 counts of attemptedmurder, and 13 counts of
grievous bodily harm.
She was asked, Why did youattempt to murder these
children?
From that point on, the onlyanswer that she would give is no
reply.
So annoying.
So annoying.
(26:52):
I mean, first, obviously, shewas just lying.
You think I would do that?
I would never do that.
But somehow that is lessannoying than no reply.
This was a frenzy in the newswith the headlines reading Baby
Killer and Killer Nurse.
This was one of the highestprofile cases because of it
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being a woman accused of suchcrimes, but also the fact that
she was a nurse.
A nurse because someone who is anurse is gifted to look after
the vulnerable and sick.
After the news spread, herchildhood neighbor, Jeremy
Marshall Roberts, could notbelieve that she would be
capable of such crimes.
She was the neighborhoodbabysitter, after all.
SPEAKER_00 (27:36):
Yikes.
Oh man.
SPEAKER_03 (27:40):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
She didn't have the backgroundthat you'd typically associate
with a serial killer.
He said that nothing seemed tohave happened to her, no event,
or something that seeminglywould have turned her into a
serial killer.
But sometimes in a normalfamily, there will just be an
anomaly.
This person who doesn't think,respond, or care or feel like
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others do.
No empathy.
And sometimes in society, that'sjust the luck of the draw.
On February 14th, 1993, afteralready having been in custody
for 453 days, Beverly went totrial at Nottingham Crown Court.
The trial was obviouslydifficult and emotional for all
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of the parents, and there wereno signs of emotion whatsoever
for Beverly.
Not even facial expressions.
Just sat there like a bump on alog.
Oh, what a waste of space.
The trial exposed the crimes indetail.
No one was surprised when aguilty verdict came back, really
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filled the courtroom, and thejudge, Mr.
Justice Lantham, described heras a serious danger to others
and made it clear that herrelease would be unlikely.
She was given 13 concurrent lifesentences with the minimum term
initially recommended around 30years.
It was the harshest sentenceever delivered to a female, but
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according to the judge, it wascommensurate with the horrific
suffering of the victims, theirfamilies, and the shame that she
had brought upon nursing as aprofession.
SPEAKER_00 (29:13):
Amen.
By the way, can I sorry?
Can I just point out that thejudge's name was Justice?
I mean, if you're not sure.
What a perfect path.
I just love that.
It's almost too good to be true.
SPEAKER_03 (29:36):
Beverly was detained at the high security psychiatric
hospital, Rampton SecureHospital, and remains there
today.
This is a high security facilitythat houses mainly individuals
detained under the Mental HealthAct.
As an inmate at Rampton, she ofcourse began her attention
seeking behaviors again,ingesting ground glass and
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pouring boiling water onto herhands.
She has subsequently admitted tothree of the murders of which
she was charged, as well as sixof the assaults.
I have a question.
SPEAKER_00 (30:07):
So she was convicted, but then were they
using an insanity plea?
Like, why does she get to be ina psychiatric hospital?
SPEAKER_03 (30:19):
Yeah, she apparently fell under the qualifications of
this mental health act to beheld at a mental health
hospital.
And that was a big thing at thetime.
The families and everyone wereprotesting this decision.
Like she should be in jail.
Like she murdered all thesepeople.
SPEAKER_00 (30:34):
She knew exactly what she was doing.
She knew that she needed to maskher behavior, lie about it
because it wasn't okay, andcover her tracks.
So she's not insane.
SPEAKER_03 (30:46):
Mm-hmm.
And it's much more cozy.
This this was said severaltimes, like much more cozy for
her to be at Rampton instead ofin jail.
SPEAKER_00 (30:55):
Well, maybe not so cozy when you're swallowing
glass.
I hope that hurt.
SPEAKER_03 (30:59):
Yeah, I hope so too.
In December of 2007, Sir StanleyBurton of the High Court and
Court of Appeals judge reviewedher case.
Beverly was seeking a reducedsentence.
The impression from the trialwas that she didn't derive
pleasure from what she wasdoing.
But now that Stanley Burton hadher psychiatric records for
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review, he firmly believed thatshe did derive pleasure from
what she had done.
And so with that, the sentencewas upheld by the court.
SPEAKER_00 (31:31):
Oh, it worked against her.
Ah I love that.
Yay.
Take that, baby baby.
SPEAKER_03 (31:40):
You deserve it.
She has been placed on the homeoffice list of criminals who
will never be eligible forparole.
Amen.
Lehu Zeher.
Understanding why Beverly Aleccommitted these crimes has been
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a subject of psychiatric andcriminology scrutiny.
One of the key interpretationsis that she exhibited features
of factitious disorder,previously known as Munchausen
syndrome, and indeed the rareform as Munchausen syndrome by
proxy or MSBP, or factitiousdisorder imposed on another.
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In MSPB, the perpetratorincludes or fabricates illness
in someone else, often a child,to gain attention, sympathy, or
a sense of importance.
In Beverly's early life, whichwe talked about last week, the
pattern of self-injury andhospital visits pointed to such
a disorder.
Let us not forget that repeatedself-harm, frequent absenteeism,
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and manipulative relationships.
Then, when she entered nursing,the theory goes, her need for
attention and to be seen as aheroic figure shifted to harming
children in her care that shecould rescue them or be seen as
indispensable.
Dr.
Jane Moncden Smith, forensiccriminologist, believes that
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Beverly has an antisocialdisorder with a lot of
psychopathic traits.
She said of her, she's hurtingthe children, but she's hurting
their parents twice as much.
I think it's the adults thatshe's actually trying to hurt.
Children are disposable,collateral damage.
She doesn't get as much fromhurting the children as much as
she does from hurting theirparents.
(33:31):
For Beverly, the aftermath isjust as much a part of the event
as the actual assault.
She's still the person with thepower, and one of the things
that gives her power is thatshe's not affected emotionally
by it.
So while they're crumbling infront of her, she's a tower of
strength.
SPEAKER_00 (33:51):
Oh wow.
Okay.
Excellent case.
And thank you for covering thisas difficult as it has been.
It's important.
And I Dr.
Moncton Smith, I think hit itthe nail on the head.
I don't think it's Munhausen atall or Munchausen by proxy.
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She doesn't give a shit aboutwhether or not those kids can
recover.
She is looking for attention andshe's looking for control and
she's looking to hurt and feelsuperior in front of those
around the victims that she'shurting.
So yeah, I I think that Dr.
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Smith nailed that one right onthe head.
And what a tragedy, what ablight on nursing in general,
but also those poor children andthose poor families.
SPEAKER_03 (34:47):
You take your baby to the hospital to be healed,
and then there's some monsterthere hurting them.
SPEAKER_00 (34:53):
And I think that's why it gets so much attention is
like oh my gosh, people that gointo nursing, first of all,
heroes, angels.
I mean, she didn't need to dothis kind of thing to be a hero.
She could have just done herflipping job and been admired
and gotten gratitude andgrandmother or godmother
(35:15):
solicitations from doing her jobwell.
So why she had to take it thatextra mile is that part that we
don't understand with the mentalhealth issue.
Not that she was insane, sheknew exactly what she was doing
was wrong.
Calculated.
(35:46):
So absolutely rare, butabsolutely shocking and
disgusting.
So thank you for bringing thisup.
That was a that was a greatcoverage of that case.
SPEAKER_03 (35:57):
Thank you.
Yeah, if you guys want toremember, there is a ton out
there on her.
SPEAKER_01 (36:05):
So yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:09):
Ugh.
May she rest in distress.
SPEAKER_00 (36:14):
May she rot rest in distress or rot in unpeace.
Rot in misery.
I mean, how can I she destroyeda lot of lives and children?
SPEAKER_03 (36:26):
I know, and then some of the marriages, too.
I mean, some of the parentscouldn't recover from going
through that tragedy, and thenthey ended up getting divorced.
And so, like, during theirinterview, they're like, Oh,
well, my wife at the time, or myhusband at the time.
It's like, that's so sad.
Like, you literally crumbledevery avenue of their life.
unknown (36:49):
Ah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:51):
So, anyway.
SPEAKER_00 (36:52):
I hope she gets the days she deserves every day.
You know, like stepping on Legosand having ink and toenails, and
I don't know.
All of the things that make youmiserable.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (37:08):
Although I'm not even gonna get into it.
Never mind.
I'm gonna say, like, that fieldtrip to the hospital, like you
get out for the day.
SPEAKER_00 (37:15):
Yeah, yeah.
No, yeah, just a lot of reallyhorrible, excruciating reminders
of how of your wrongdoing, Ithink.
Because it's not like she'srepentant.
Doesn't sound like so.
SPEAKER_03 (37:33):
No.
And when like they arrested herand picked her up and whatever,
she was all like trying to puther head out the window to get
that media attention.
She was smiling for thetabloids, like she was eating it
up.
SPEAKER_00 (37:50):
It was the attention factor, always, yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (37:55):
So, anyway, obviously we could go on for
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SPEAKER_00 (38:29):
I was gonna say you take impressions of ear canals,
not teeth canals.
SPEAKER_03 (38:33):
Yeah.
That's right.
I'm always like, I wonder ifTaylor Swift needs me to make an
ear monitors for her concertsbecause I would love to be her
audiologist.
Oh, Taylor, gone.
Oh, but I also love doing likelittle baby ear modes, and they
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SPEAKER_00 (39:36):
30%.
That's crazy.
I know, right?
SPEAKER_03 (39:38):
That's a really good.
SPEAKER_00 (39:39):
Wow.
Thanks, Cheeky.
Is it time for our medicalmishap?
I I we didn't decide who we weresinging that one, but I feel
like recently we've you knowwhat?
SPEAKER_03 (39:52):
If you ever feel a jingle in your heart, just do
it.
SPEAKER_00 (39:56):
Go for it.
Is it me or you?
SPEAKER_03 (39:58):
Let's do it.
SPEAKER_00 (40:01):
Oh, I don't care.
I do it.
I do it.
Okay, I'm gonna do it.
All right, so this email subjectline is when the translator app
tried to kill the vibe.
Oh dear.
And it starts, hi Jenna andAmanda.
I'm a respiratory therapist.
(40:22):
RT all the way.
We love you guys.
RT all day, baby.
I'm a respiratory therapist at alarge urban hospital, and this
happened during one of thoseshifts where the universe seems
determined to test yourprofessionalism.
I mean, amen to you.
I that's an excellentdescription of a lot of shifts.
SPEAKER_03 (40:45):
Unlike Marcy, is this you?
Marcy!
SPEAKER_00 (40:49):
Shout out to our friend Marcy.
She listens.
A friend of the pod.
We had a patient admitted forshortness of breath who spoke
very little English, and none ofus on the floor spoke her
language.
The interpreter line was backedup.
So we used one of thosetranslation tablets on wheels.
SPEAKER_03 (41:06):
Oh yeah.
They like stick it to the IVpole, tote it around like we got
the interpreter.
SPEAKER_00 (41:11):
It's like a little robot on wheels.
The kind that's supposed to makeeverything easier, but somehow
it turns a simple conversationinto a tech support nightmare.
Uh-huh.
I just love that description.
It's so true.
Excuse me.
I was trying to explain how touse the nebulizer.
So I held it up, I pointed, andslowly said, breathe in through
(41:34):
your mouth.
Look in.
The tablet the tablet listenedintently, blinked twice, and
confidently translated somethingthat made the patient's eyes go
wide.
She shook her head vigorously.
Oh no.
Oh no, what is what did theyactually say?
The nurse beside me checked thescreen and turned bright red.
(41:56):
Oh no.
The translation had told her,eat through your mouth.
Oh gosh.
Try it again.
Breathe in.
The tablet repeated, eat it now.
The patient looked horrified.
We both started waving ourhands.
No, no, no, no, don't eat it.
(42:17):
While the poor woman clutchedthe nebulizer like it was
finally, we gave up on thetablet and called the
interpreter line.
The translator calmly explainedeverything, and the patient
burst out laughing once sherealized what had happened.
By the end, she pantomimedeating the nebulizer.
That's so funny.
Every time I walked into theroom.
(42:37):
Oh, she's so cute.
It was one of those humblingreminders that even the best
technology can't replace realhuman communication or a sense
of humor.
Signed the RT Who Will NeverTrust a Translation app again.
Don't blame you.
Don't blame you.
Listen, RT.
Oh my god.
(42:58):
That is so funny.
Bless your heart.
And at least you got to the end,the root of it at the end, and
the patient didn't go home andtry and eat their nebulacer.
SPEAKER_03 (43:08):
Yeah, that would be no bueno.
No bueno.
unknown (43:12):
No bueno.
SPEAKER_03 (43:13):
Yeah, those on the IV stand.
I guess that's what like we hadit on at a hospital I worked at.
But it's always like, yeah, Idon't know, it can be awkward.
But thank goodness we can getquick access to interpreters
when we need them.
But yes, it's a little awkward.
SPEAKER_00 (43:31):
Yes.
Oh MG.
SPEAKER_03 (43:34):
Well, uh, I guess you know you've had some time
off.
I have.
You had you had me, and then itwas Shannon, and then me twice.
So I really don't have it.
So uh what are we gonna hearabout?
SPEAKER_00 (43:49):
Oh my gosh, it's my turn, and boy, is it my turn.
So thank you to you and Shannonfor holding up your end while I
moved into the woods with thebears.
Um you had a pretty big move.
I did.
And we'll say that our nextepisode is going to be a little
surprise, and it is at therequest of Jillian Tanell, our
(44:12):
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So that's what happens when yousupport our show.
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Anyway, it's a doozy of a case,so you're gonna wanna you're
(44:35):
gonna wanna tune in.
SPEAKER_03 (44:36):
I can't wait.
I I have no idea.
I'm in the same boat as you guyshave no idea what's going on.
I want to know.
I want to know.
SPEAKER_00 (44:43):
I'll give you a hint.
It's not about it's not about abear.
Oh god.
So I thought you were gonna sayit has to do with medical.
Something medical, yes.
Uh health, true crime inhealthcare, because that's what
we're all about.
But you meanwhile, until youjoin us again, don't miss a
(45:05):
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Okay, bye.
Amanda.
unknown (00:08):
Hi.
SPEAKER_00 (00:08):
How are you, chickadee dee dee di?
SPEAKER_03 (00:11):
The real good.
How are you?
SPEAKER_00 (00:16):
Good.
I am so stoked to hear aboutpart two of this horrific tale
and for hopefully someadjustice.
Well deserved.
SPEAKER_03 (00:27):
Oh yes.
I'm excited to share part twowith you guys.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
We were just talking before we started about spoiler
alert, we debug before we startthis.
It's ladybug in the face seasonhere in Minnesota.
Oh my gosh, and they're not realladybugs.
Do they come from Japan?
I don't know.
They're like little bitey onesthat are rusty orange and mean.
SPEAKER_03 (00:53):
I know.
And they they you don't evenknow.
Like I'll be a walking raven,and one will land on me, and I
don't even know.
And then it starts biting me,and I'm like, what the hell?
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
I know.
Why are they so mean?
I used to think they were sweet,you know?
SPEAKER_03 (01:08):
I know.
It's like a different brand.
I don't like it.
They're rude.
SPEAKER_00 (01:12):
My daughter has a friend named Laney, and she
dressed up as Ladybug forHalloween, otherwise calling
herself the Laneybug.
Oh, which is so cute.
But I was like, do you havethanks?
Because if you're a Minnesotaladybug, you're not a friend.
Valid question.
SPEAKER_03 (01:31):
You're a foe.
I have asked people, like, sincewhen are ladybugs so rude?
unknown (01:37):
I know.
SPEAKER_03 (01:38):
Like in childhood, growing up, I'm like, they used
to be cute.
Count their little speckles.
SPEAKER_00 (01:44):
We used to be like, yeah, you count their freckles
and you go fly home to howevermany freckles worth of babies.
Ladybug, ladybug, fly on home,something or other.
Your house is on fire and yourchildren are alone.
Wow.
Oh, that's a little bitsinister.
Wow.
Did you not do that one?
No.
Oh.
I kind of want to look it up.
Yeah.
Oh boy, I feel ancient at thispoint.
(02:06):
But yes.
SPEAKER_03 (02:07):
Maybe they got sick of being told their house was on
fire.
SPEAKER_00 (02:10):
So they're like, I'm and your children are alone.
And they're like, we don't care.
We want to just bite us a human.
Oh man.
Is this the point where we talkabout correction section?
I think we have a couple.
SPEAKER_03 (02:29):
So first I'll share that last time when I was
reading about quantum squares.
I apparently just, you know,didn't put the percentage off
on.
I guessed, Jenna guessed.
I think it was in the middle ofour guesses at 25% off.
SPEAKER_00 (02:45):
Yeah.
One of us said 20 and the othersaid 30.
But guess what, guys?
25% that's a quarter.
25% off.
A quarter of the price taken offjust for our.
SPEAKER_03 (02:59):
I think that's the one that ended on Halloween.
SPEAKER_00 (03:02):
Okay.
So it doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_03 (03:05):
So anyway, we're just correcting ourselves for
the record, but when we tell youit's a limited time deal, it's a
limited time deal.
SPEAKER_00 (03:14):
Yeah, yeah, I gotta get on it.
And so kudos to those of you whowho listened and responded in a
timely fashion.
The other correction is thatjust laughing at Amanda's notes.
Jenna moved to the woods and shehasn't discovered the internet
yet.
SPEAKER_03 (03:34):
I said the woods haven't discovered the internet
yet.
You're missing the internet.
SPEAKER_00 (03:40):
Yeah, so our timing is a bit off.
We're still thank you forbearing with us and having
patience.
We're still not sure whenrecording day and producing day
will be.
We're gonna definitely get youan episode a week, but it might
vary for a while until we figureout if, you know, we can upload.
So what happened was after 21years at my previous job, I
(04:04):
moved four or five hours northof where I was.
And it's way up at the boonies,beautiful place, but signal
isn't always reliable.
So loving my new life, however,not so great when it comes to
reliable signals.
So stay tuned, listeners, andthank you for your patience.
SPEAKER_03 (04:25):
Yes.
So the schedule change that Iposted that may change again,
but that's fine because you knowwhat?
The woods don't have theinternet, and we're just trying
to figure that out as we gohere.
SPEAKER_00 (04:37):
I'm wondering if the bears are blocking the signal.
I Keith Kid or the Moose.
Just moose.
I don't know.
Do you know how big those thingsare?
I mean, I haven't run into oneyet, but I've been warned by
people around here, and they'relike as big as a truck.
Like I've never seen one inperson.
(04:58):
So me either, and I hope to Ihope that that stays the way it
is.
But that being said, thatbetween that and an 11-foot bear
that I've been told about.
Legendary.
Legendary bear.
If any of our listeners have anyadvice for how to survive a bear
(05:19):
attack or get rid of bears andEast Moose, let us know.
I'm collecting suggestions.
Originally I thought maybe Icould climb a tree, but
apparently they're littlebeasties are really good at
that.
They're excellent.
SPEAKER_03 (05:31):
Yeah.
So I might just stay inside.
And obvious, obviously, theobvious of don't leave your
trash out.
Because when I lived up north,definitely way more I hate to
say civilized, but uh we didn'thave internet issues.
But we had bear issues, and wow,did they love to fuck up some
trash?
Oh my gosh.
(05:52):
Yeah, that's concerning.
It would be like driving in aneighborhood and everyone's
trash just tipped over.
It's kind of funny, but it alsosucked if you had to pick up all
your ripped trash.
SPEAKER_00 (06:02):
I mean, don't we call raccoons trash bandits?
What are bears like trash trashdemons compared to raccoons?
The rashers.
unknown (06:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
Trash trashers.
Oh my gosh.
What's really funny is mycolleagues got me a like a going
away survival kit before I movedup here, and you're one of
those, thank you.
And in that kit, you probablyknow since you were part of it,
was a how to survive a bearattack book of helpful hints,
(06:33):
which rather than helpful, theyseem to be more terrifying than
anything.
But so thanks.
But also a because I don't Ilove animals and and I I
appreciate the fact that we needto hunt and you know,
overpopulations of things, butI'm not you know, not a big fan
of doing that myself, whichmakes me a hypocrite, I guess.
(06:55):
But anyhow, if if a bear comesup to me, normally people would
choose a bear spray or somekind, but I was given because I
don't like to hurt animals, Iwas given a canister that
releases a I don't know, 140decibel signal to scare the
(07:16):
bear.
At which point I was like,that's wonderful.
So a bear is coming up to me.
I release this, I release thissiren thing, and I mean it looks
like a a can of mace, and Irelease it and it's 140 decibels
or whatever it is.
Both I and the bear are bothdeafened.
(07:38):
What happens when the bear comesback?
Because he's already deaf.
So I'm gonna hold that thing upagain and he's gonna go.
I don't care, I can't hear it.
SPEAKER_03 (07:44):
Both of you, you're not gonna even hear the bear
coming.
You're gonna know if it'sworking.
SPEAKER_00 (07:49):
So, yeah, suggestions, comments, advice,
reach out, you know.
The girl's a bit worried aboutsurvival here in the wilderness,
but but thanks to Git for thegift.
SPEAKER_03 (08:02):
They're gonna hibernate soon, you'll be okay.
You have a a little bit of time,they're hungry right now.
But uh, so if you can getthrough this hunger part,
they'll be hibernating.
SPEAKER_00 (08:13):
And then in the spring when they come out, what
do they come out at the sametime as the groundhog to look
around?
I don't know.
I mean, we always hear aboutthis this groundhog is gonna
determine whether or not we getan extra.
Okay.
All right.
Well, so I'll look out for thegroundhog and then replenish my
supplies of and get my hearingprotection out so that at least
(08:35):
I won't lose my hearing if I'mlike there goes that girl that
walks around with all thehearing sounding off at a bear.
Yeah.
Oh my goodness.
Anyway, so what's in store forus today?
We've got a we've got a newsponsor.
Tell me about this one.
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SPEAKER_00 (10:00):
And I'm always game for a good legging.
Right?
Also, I just heard an ad on theradio today for like a Pilates
class, and they said, make itright, keep it tight.
Get it right, get it tight.
Yes.
Leggings from Tona.
Perfect.
SPEAKER_03 (10:19):
Perfect.
And also, if they were foundedby a former Lululemon designer,
I gotta imagine they're prettygood.
SPEAKER_00 (10:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (10:29):
You know, kind of not really fitting into regular
leggings at this moment, butcan't wait to try them when I'm
not pregnant.
So if y'all try them, please letme know.
I'll big leggings gal.
I think I forgot to say this thelast time, but as always, the
resources will be in the shownotes.
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And one of my main sources thatI got a lot of the transcript
stuff from was from BBC, andthey did a series called the
Beverly Alett Tapes, which ishonestly just chilling because
it's real tapes of herinvestigations and whatnot.
unknown (11:11):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (11:12):
And same trigger warning as last week of child
abuse, which I don't thinkprobably in part two we really
get into that as much.
It was just my trigger warningfrom the last time.
But let's see if we can findsome justice for these kiddos.
SPEAKER_00 (11:27):
Let's.
SPEAKER_03 (11:29):
So, friends, Alley Cats, welcome to episode 39,
part two of the Beverly Aletstory.
Last week we learned who Beverlyis, her background, and her
upbringing, as well as herjourney to becoming a nurse.
We ended the episode hearingabout the 13 helpless children
that were brought into thehospital by their loving
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parents, and then they becamevictims at the hands of Beverly.
And unfortunately, not all ofthem survived.
SPEAKER_00 (11:59):
So sad.
SPEAKER_03 (12:01):
So a team of detectives was established at
the Grantham police station toinvestigate the large number of
attacks that had happened overan eight-week period, some
resulting in death, but evenmore concerning that the
episodes didn't appear to benatural.
Michelle Billingsley, detectiveinspector on the family service
unit, was sent to the Granthamhospital to make general
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inquiries to the staff and theparents involved.
She was trying to establish whathad happened, but I mean, they
were going in blind.
They had no clue what they werelooking for.
And again, I mentioned thisbefore, but they thought
initially there was possiblyjust an innocent bug going
around that was causing thecollapse of these children.
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Because why would we ever wantto assume that some monster is
doing this on purpose?
Right.
Michelle noted that in theinterviews, Beverly Alet was
very pleasant and really kind.
She seemed kind of quiet, butshe was willing to talk and
assist with the inquiry.
She wasn't set apart from theother staff in the ward that
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were questioned.
Detectives sat and looked ateach case and the staff who had
cared for the children.
And by the time of thequestioning, detectives were
aware that she had been presentfor every attack that a child
had suffered.
But they weren't able to marryher demeanor in the interviews
with someone who would becapable of doing this.
SPEAKER_00 (13:28):
I know, but that's the nature of a sociopath,
right?
Yeah.
They're good at this.
Yeah.
Masking.
SPEAKER_03 (13:36):
It wasn't too difficult to realize that the
crimes were being committed, butthey needed hard proof.
Detectives contacted ProfessorHull at QMC to review Paul
Crampton's medical files.
After review, he didn'texplicitly say the words
attempted murder, but he sharedhe was certain that something
unlawful had happened.
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The medical staff couldn't comeup with any evidence that the
insulin had been intentionallyinjected, but they also couldn't
come up with any sort of diseaseor disorder that would cause the
body to overproduce insulineither.
Vincent Marks, who's a professoremeritus of clinical
biochemistry, was at aconference in Glasgow and was
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told that the police wanted totalk to him.
And he was like, What the hell?
Why do the police want to talkto him?
Right?
Yikes.
So he like left the conferenceroom he was in and got on the
phone with the police, and theyexplained that they were
investigating a possibleintentional insulin overdose.
So he was able to prove that theinsulin had been injected into
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Paul because there was aninsulin present in the blood,
but no C peptide.
So he explained that insulin ismade in the body naturally and
it circulates in the bloodstreamas a natural substance.
In our bodies, insulin is alwaysreleased into the bloodstream
from the pancreas where it ismade, and another sister
hormone, C peptide.
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So if you measure C peptide inblood, it is always higher in
concentration than insulinbecause it disappears from the
blood more slowly than insulin.
So although they both go intothe blood at the same rate, the
insulin disappears faster.
So if you find insulin and no Cpeptide, the only absolute cause
of the high insulin and the lowC peptide is that someone has
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given the patient insulin from abottle.
SPEAKER_00 (15:27):
Oh my God, that is so fascinating.
SPEAKER_03 (15:29):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00 (15:30):
You knew.
SPEAKER_03 (15:31):
Wow.
Uh-huh.
Wow.
Like, thank goodness theythought to call Mr.
Smarty Pants.
SPEAKER_00 (15:36):
Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
I mean, that's that's black andwhite evidence right there.
SPEAKER_03 (15:40):
Mm-hmm.
Paul's insulin result was thehighest that Professor Marks had
ever seen, and there was no Cpeptide present.
And that is how he knew it wasmalicious.
SPEAKER_00 (15:52):
Wow.
My I've got chills.
Go, Professor Marks.
SPEAKER_03 (15:59):
Within a few days, it was evident that the only
person who could be guilty wasBeverly Allett.
She was the only one presentduring all of the attacks.
She also had access to the drugsand the keys relevant to the
investigation.
There were missing nursing logs,unexplained drug orders, and
discrepancies in the medicationstorage.
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They had good evidence that shehad something to do with it, but
again, they didn't have actualindividual evidence.
When she was questioned, shetold police that she did
remember Paul Crampton being onthe ward.
She recalled that he was therefor a possible chest infection
and that he was, quote, wheezy,very wheezy, end quote.
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When questioned more directlyabout Paul and his hypoglycemic
episodes, they told her that shewas the only one who had a
window of opportunity topossibly inject insulin into
Paul.
Her response was, quote, whywould I do that?
I wouldn't do that.
You think I went in there andlooked at that baby and said,
here, have some of this,referring to the insulin, and
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then left?
End quote.
SPEAKER_00 (17:07):
Yes, Beverly.
That's exactly what everyonethinks, Beverly.
SPEAKER_03 (17:15):
We think we know.
On May 21st, 1991, Beverly Aletwas arrested at her home for
suspicion of theft of a key fromthe hospital and the attempted
murder of Paul Crampton.
While being interviewed at thestation, they discussed that the
fridge key on the big key ringto the drug trolley was missing,
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and they suspected that she hadit, and that is how she had
access to the insulin that sheinjected into Paul.
SPEAKER_00 (17:44):
So so that was a fridge.
Sorry, so that wasn't like theemployee lunch fridge.
That was the fridge for themedication.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (17:52):
And it was just like a huge key ring of keys, and
this one particular key to theto the fridge was gone off the
keyring.
So she claimed repeatedly, overand over and over, that she
would never do such a thing,saying, I'm really going to give
that harm harmful drug to atiny, helpless little baby.
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Yeah, Bev, that's what we think.
SPEAKER_00 (18:18):
So evil.
Because she obviously knew itwas wrong.
Yeah.
If she's gonna say things likethat.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (18:25):
And I just think back to last week when we talked
about how she accepted the roleas godmother for that one child.
Like, you are such a monster.
SPEAKER_00 (18:34):
Evil godmother.
SPEAKER_03 (18:36):
She was also adamant that she had never seen the
missing key.
Beverly sat through ninedifferent interviews that day
that started at 10:30 in themorning and they ended at 9.30
at night.
They kept their focus on thekey, hoping that she would slip
up.
Because, you see, they knew thatduring her first interview at
the hospital, she had said shehad no idea about the key.
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But in her second interview atthe hospital, which was a week
after the first, she rememberedvery detailed accounts about the
missing key.
She said in that secondinterview that she was asked to
go to the fridge to get some eyedrops.
And when she got to the fridge,the key was missing.
But now here we are at thepolice station and she magically
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knows nothing about the keyagain.
He interviewed her moreaggressively than anyone had all
day.
Whereas before it seemed asthough she built rapport with
the detectives.
Because they're like, how do weapproach this?
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Are we trying to like buildrapport?
Hope she slips up.
And this guy came in and waslike, nah.
And and also that's the end ofthe day.
She's tired.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
She's tired.
And sociopaths are charming.
They're able to really buildrapport somehow and recognize
what it takes to charm someoneand keep them off the scent.
So I think that was an excellenttactic on his part.
SPEAKER_03 (20:05):
Agree.
So Officer Reeves'aggressiveness made her become
antagonistic, and hervulnerabilities began to show.
And she knew it, which decreasedher confidence.
So ding ding ding.
Go, Officer Reeve.
Yay! Dr.
Don Archer, professor ofpragmatics and corpus
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linguistics at ManchesterMetropolitan University, said,
quote, Beverly was remarkablycalm for someone of her age and
someone who had never beenquestioned by the police before,
but was being asked to giveinterviews back to back to back.
I think she was someone who wasgood at telling stories.
However, when Officer Reeveflipped the script, her pitch
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begins to rise during theinterview, which shows stress.
She also began to show doublenegation, which shows that her
confidence was crumbling.
End quote.
SPEAKER_00 (20:57):
I love that.
I love that.
SPEAKER_03 (20:59):
I know.
Following the nine interviewsthat day, she was released on
bail.
Police continued to collectevidence.
And then they found that she wasmoonlighting at Lancaster House
Nursing Home.
Resident Dorothy Lowe wasinjected with insulin and died
of a hypoglycemic attack.
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She, Beverly, was seen byhousekeeping at 3 a.m.
with a syringe in her hand.
And that was her smoking gun.
SPEAKER_02 (21:30):
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03 (21:30):
She was again arrested on the suspicion of the
murder of Dorothy Lowe.
And when questioned, she wouldonly say, no reply.
Which is honestly so infuriatingto me.
SPEAKER_00 (21:43):
Oh my goodness.
She's on a rampage.
SPEAKER_03 (21:47):
But before we get more into that, it's time for a
chartnote.
Welcome to the chartnotesegment, where we learn about
what's happening in medicine andhealthcare.
In July 2025, researchers atStanford University announced a
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breakthrough approach topreventing kidney stones using
genetically engineered gutbacteria.
Their goal was to tackle one ofthe main culprits behind kidney
stone formation, oxalate, whichis a compound that can build up
in the body when the kidneysfail to filter it properly.
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For people with EH, enterichyperoxalaria, a condition that
causes excessive oxalateabsorption, the risk is even
higher, and existing treatmentsare often limited or
ineffective.
To address this, scientists turnto naturally occurring gut micro
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phosicolia, blah blah blah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:57):
You wanna check that?
Yeah.
Uh I mean, I think you did agreat job, but I would say
phosicola fugatis.
Got it.
SPEAKER_03 (23:06):
Sounds like a bugatti.
They modified the bacterium.
You guys, I'm not amicrobiologist, okay.
What?
Yeah, right.
They modified the bacterium tobreak down oxalate inside the
digestive tract before it couldenter the bloodstream.
To make the system controllable,they added a clever safety
feature.
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The bacteria was also engineeredto depend on porphyrin, a
nutrient found in seaweed.
This meant that the bacteriacould thrive only when the
porphyrin was present in theperson's diet, essentially
giving researchers a way to turnthe bacteria on or off.
The research unfolded in severalstages.
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First, animal studies, whererats fed, were fed a high
oxalate diet, showed up to 47%reduction in urinary oxalate
levels after being colonizedwith the engineered bacteria.
In a separate rat modelmimicking enterochiperoxluria,
the usual spike in oxalateexcretion was completely
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prevented, a striking resultthat gave researchers confidence
to move to human testing.
And in the first human trial, 39healthy volunteers received a
single oral dose of theengineered bacterium.
Results showed that colonizationwas dose-dependent and could be
effectively managed by adjustingthe porphyrin intake.
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The approach appeared safe andwell tolerated with no adverse
events reported.
And in most participants, thebacteria cleared naturally once
the porphyrin was removed fromtheir diets.
However, in two cases, modifiedmicrobe persisted in the gut
even after antibiotic treatment,likely because some of its genes
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were exchanged with the nativebacteria.
SmartyPants science stuff.
There's always a couple in astudy, right?
SPEAKER_01 (24:59):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (24:59):
So, but that did raise important questions about
long-term containment andgenetic stability.
But finally, the team tested thetherapy in nine patients with
enteric hyperoxaluria, six ofwhom completed it, and the
reduction reduction showed anaverage of about 27%.
Results were not statisticallysignificant due to a small
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sample size, but the trendsuggests that the therapy could
be effective with refined andlarger studies.
Overall, this finding marks amajor step forward in using
engineered gut biomes as livingtherapeutics, which is super
exciting because I've never hada kidney stone, but I know
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people have had kidney stonesand they are miserable.
SPEAKER_00 (25:51):
I don't know.
I mean, sorry, I didn't mean tosay giving birth is horrible,
like worse than giving birth.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (25:59):
So yeah, for such a tiny little thing.
SPEAKER_00 (26:02):
Because you don't get the epidural or the joy of
having a kid at the end of it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (26:10):
Yeah.
Oh, there's everyone juststraining their pee out there
hoping that it came through.
So anyway, that's exciting.
Okay, back to the story.
In October of 1991, Beverly wascharged with four counts of
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murder, 13 counts of attemptedmurder, and 13 counts of
grievous bodily harm.
She was asked, Why did youattempt to murder these
children?
From that point on, the onlyanswer that she would give is no
reply.
So annoying.
So annoying.
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I mean, first, obviously, shewas just lying.
You think I would do that?
I would never do that.
But somehow that is lessannoying than no reply.
This was a frenzy in the newswith the headlines reading Baby
Killer and Killer Nurse.
This was one of the highestprofile cases because of it
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being a woman accused of suchcrimes, but also the fact that
she was a nurse.
A nurse because someone who is anurse is gifted to look after
the vulnerable and sick.
After the news spread, herchildhood neighbor, Jeremy
Marshall Roberts, could notbelieve that she would be
capable of such crimes.
She was the neighborhoodbabysitter, after all.
SPEAKER_00 (27:36):
Yikes.
Oh man.
SPEAKER_03 (27:40):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
She didn't have the backgroundthat you'd typically associate
with a serial killer.
He said that nothing seemed tohave happened to her, no event,
or something that seeminglywould have turned her into a
serial killer.
But sometimes in a normalfamily, there will just be an
anomaly.
This person who doesn't think,respond, or care or feel like
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others do.
No empathy.
And sometimes in society, that'sjust the luck of the draw.
On February 14th, 1993, afteralready having been in custody
for 453 days, Beverly went totrial at Nottingham Crown Court.
The trial was obviouslydifficult and emotional for all
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of the parents, and there wereno signs of emotion whatsoever
for Beverly.
Not even facial expressions.
Just sat there like a bump on alog.
Oh, what a waste of space.
The trial exposed the crimes indetail.
No one was surprised when aguilty verdict came back, really
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filled the courtroom, and thejudge, Mr.
Justice Lantham, described heras a serious danger to others
and made it clear that herrelease would be unlikely.
She was given 13 concurrent lifesentences with the minimum term
initially recommended around 30years.
It was the harshest sentenceever delivered to a female, but
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according to the judge, it wascommensurate with the horrific
suffering of the victims, theirfamilies, and the shame that she
had brought upon nursing as aprofession.
SPEAKER_00 (29:13):
Amen.
By the way, can I sorry?
Can I just point out that thejudge's name was Justice?
I mean, if you're not sure.
What a perfect path.
I just love that.
It's almost too good to be true.
SPEAKER_03 (29:36):
Beverly was detained at the high security psychiatric
hospital, Rampton SecureHospital, and remains there
today.
This is a high security facilitythat houses mainly individuals
detained under the Mental HealthAct.
As an inmate at Rampton, she ofcourse began her attention
seeking behaviors again,ingesting ground glass and
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pouring boiling water onto herhands.
She has subsequently admitted tothree of the murders of which
she was charged, as well as sixof the assaults.
I have a question.
SPEAKER_00 (30:07):
So she was convicted, but then were they
using an insanity plea?
Like, why does she get to be ina psychiatric hospital?
SPEAKER_03 (30:19):
Yeah, she apparently fell under the qualifications of
this mental health act to beheld at a mental health
hospital.
And that was a big thing at thetime.
The families and everyone wereprotesting this decision.
Like she should be in jail.
Like she murdered all thesepeople.
SPEAKER_00 (30:34):
She knew exactly what she was doing.
She knew that she needed to maskher behavior, lie about it
because it wasn't okay, andcover her tracks.
So she's not insane.
SPEAKER_03 (30:46):
Mm-hmm.
And it's much more cozy.
This this was said severaltimes, like much more cozy for
her to be at Rampton instead ofin jail.
SPEAKER_00 (30:55):
Well, maybe not so cozy when you're swallowing
glass.
I hope that hurt.
SPEAKER_03 (30:59):
Yeah, I hope so too.
In December of 2007, Sir StanleyBurton of the High Court and
Court of Appeals judge reviewedher case.
Beverly was seeking a reducedsentence.
The impression from the trialwas that she didn't derive
pleasure from what she wasdoing.
But now that Stanley Burton hadher psychiatric records for
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review, he firmly believed thatshe did derive pleasure from
what she had done.
And so with that, the sentencewas upheld by the court.
SPEAKER_00 (31:31):
Oh, it worked against her.
Ah I love that.
Yay.
Take that, baby baby.
SPEAKER_03 (31:40):
You deserve it.
She has been placed on the homeoffice list of criminals who
will never be eligible forparole.
Amen.
Lehu Zeher.
Understanding why Beverly Aleccommitted these crimes has been
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a subject of psychiatric andcriminology scrutiny.
One of the key interpretationsis that she exhibited features
of factitious disorder,previously known as Munchausen
syndrome, and indeed the rareform as Munchausen syndrome by
proxy or MSBP, or factitiousdisorder imposed on another.
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In MSPB, the perpetratorincludes or fabricates illness
in someone else, often a child,to gain attention, sympathy, or
a sense of importance.
In Beverly's early life, whichwe talked about last week, the
pattern of self-injury andhospital visits pointed to such
a disorder.
Let us not forget that repeatedself-harm, frequent absenteeism,
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and manipulative relationships.
Then, when she entered nursing,the theory goes, her need for
attention and to be seen as aheroic figure shifted to harming
children in her care that shecould rescue them or be seen as
indispensable.
Dr.
Jane Moncden Smith, forensiccriminologist, believes that
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Beverly has an antisocialdisorder with a lot of
psychopathic traits.
She said of her, she's hurtingthe children, but she's hurting
their parents twice as much.
I think it's the adults thatshe's actually trying to hurt.
Children are disposable,collateral damage.
She doesn't get as much fromhurting the children as much as
she does from hurting theirparents.
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For Beverly, the aftermath isjust as much a part of the event
as the actual assault.
She's still the person with thepower, and one of the things
that gives her power is thatshe's not affected emotionally
by it.
So while they're crumbling infront of her, she's a tower of
strength.
SPEAKER_00 (33:51):
Oh wow.
Okay.
Excellent case.
And thank you for covering thisas difficult as it has been.
It's important.
And I Dr.
Moncton Smith, I think hit itthe nail on the head.
I don't think it's Munhausen atall or Munchausen by proxy.
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She doesn't give a shit aboutwhether or not those kids can
recover.
She is looking for attention andshe's looking for control and
she's looking to hurt and feelsuperior in front of those
around the victims that she'shurting.
So yeah, I I think that Dr.
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Smith nailed that one right onthe head.
And what a tragedy, what ablight on nursing in general,
but also those poor children andthose poor families.
SPEAKER_03 (34:47):
You take your baby to the hospital to be healed,
and then there's some monsterthere hurting them.
SPEAKER_00 (34:53):
And I think that's why it gets so much attention is
like oh my gosh, people that gointo nursing, first of all,
heroes, angels.
I mean, she didn't need to dothis kind of thing to be a hero.
She could have just done herflipping job and been admired
and gotten gratitude andgrandmother or godmother
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solicitations from doing her jobwell.
So why she had to take it thatextra mile is that part that we
don't understand with the mentalhealth issue.
Not that she was insane, sheknew exactly what she was doing
was wrong.
Calculated.
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So absolutely rare, butabsolutely shocking and
disgusting.
So thank you for bringing thisup.
That was a that was a greatcoverage of that case.
SPEAKER_03 (35:57):
Thank you.
Yeah, if you guys want toremember, there is a ton out
there on her.
SPEAKER_01 (36:05):
So yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:09):
Ugh.
May she rest in distress.
SPEAKER_00 (36:14):
May she rot rest in distress or rot in unpeace.
Rot in misery.
I mean, how can I she destroyeda lot of lives and children?
SPEAKER_03 (36:26):
I know, and then some of the marriages, too.
I mean, some of the parentscouldn't recover from going
through that tragedy, and thenthey ended up getting divorced.
And so, like, during theirinterview, they're like, Oh,
well, my wife at the time, or myhusband at the time.
It's like, that's so sad.
Like, you literally crumbledevery avenue of their life.
unknown (36:49):
Ah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:51):
So, anyway.
SPEAKER_00 (36:52):
I hope she gets the days she deserves every day.
You know, like stepping on Legosand having ink and toenails, and
I don't know.
All of the things that make youmiserable.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (37:08):
Although I'm not even gonna get into it.
Never mind.
I'm gonna say, like, that fieldtrip to the hospital, like you
get out for the day.
SPEAKER_00 (37:15):
Yeah, yeah.
No, yeah, just a lot of reallyhorrible, excruciating reminders
of how of your wrongdoing, Ithink.
Because it's not like she'srepentant.
Doesn't sound like so.
SPEAKER_03 (37:33):
No.
And when like they arrested herand picked her up and whatever,
she was all like trying to puther head out the window to get
that media attention.
She was smiling for thetabloids, like she was eating it
up.
SPEAKER_00 (37:50):
It was the attention factor, always, yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (37:55):
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SPEAKER_00 (39:36):
30%.
That's crazy.
I know, right?
SPEAKER_03 (39:38):
That's a really good.
SPEAKER_00 (39:39):
Wow.
Thanks, Cheeky.
Is it time for our medicalmishap?
I I we didn't decide who we weresinging that one, but I feel
like recently we've you knowwhat?
SPEAKER_03 (39:52):
If you ever feel a jingle in your heart, just do
it.
SPEAKER_00 (39:56):
Go for it.
Is it me or you?
SPEAKER_03 (39:58):
Let's do it.
SPEAKER_00 (40:01):
Oh, I don't care.
I do it.
I do it.
Okay, I'm gonna do it.
All right, so this email subjectline is when the translator app
tried to kill the vibe.
Oh dear.
And it starts, hi Jenna andAmanda.
I'm a respiratory therapist.
(40:22):
RT all the way.
We love you guys.
RT all day, baby.
I'm a respiratory therapist at alarge urban hospital, and this
happened during one of thoseshifts where the universe seems
determined to test yourprofessionalism.
I mean, amen to you.
I that's an excellentdescription of a lot of shifts.
SPEAKER_03 (40:45):
Unlike Marcy, is this you?
Marcy!
SPEAKER_00 (40:49):
Shout out to our friend Marcy.
She listens.
A friend of the pod.
We had a patient admitted forshortness of breath who spoke
very little English, and none ofus on the floor spoke her
language.
The interpreter line was backedup.
So we used one of thosetranslation tablets on wheels.
SPEAKER_03 (41:06):
Oh yeah.
They like stick it to the IVpole, tote it around like we got
the interpreter.
SPEAKER_00 (41:11):
It's like a little robot on wheels.
The kind that's supposed to makeeverything easier, but somehow
it turns a simple conversationinto a tech support nightmare.
Uh-huh.
I just love that description.
It's so true.
Excuse me.
I was trying to explain how touse the nebulizer.
So I held it up, I pointed, andslowly said, breathe in through
(41:34):
your mouth.
Look in.
The tablet the tablet listenedintently, blinked twice, and
confidently translated somethingthat made the patient's eyes go
wide.
She shook her head vigorously.
Oh no.
Oh no, what is what did theyactually say?
The nurse beside me checked thescreen and turned bright red.
(41:56):
Oh no.
The translation had told her,eat through your mouth.
Oh gosh.
Try it again.
Breathe in.
The tablet repeated, eat it now.
The patient looked horrified.
We both started waving ourhands.
No, no, no, no, don't eat it.
(42:17):
While the poor woman clutchedthe nebulizer like it was
finally, we gave up on thetablet and called the
interpreter line.
The translator calmly explainedeverything, and the patient
burst out laughing once sherealized what had happened.
By the end, she pantomimedeating the nebulizer.
That's so funny.
Every time I walked into theroom.
(42:37):
Oh, she's so cute.
It was one of those humblingreminders that even the best
technology can't replace realhuman communication or a sense
of humor.
Signed the RT Who Will NeverTrust a Translation app again.
Don't blame you.
Don't blame you.
Listen, RT.
Oh my god.
(42:58):
That is so funny.
Bless your heart.
And at least you got to the end,the root of it at the end, and
the patient didn't go home andtry and eat their nebulacer.
SPEAKER_03 (43:08):
Yeah, that would be no bueno.
No bueno.
unknown (43:12):
No bueno.
SPEAKER_03 (43:13):
Yeah, those on the IV stand.
I guess that's what like we hadit on at a hospital I worked at.
But it's always like, yeah, Idon't know, it can be awkward.
But thank goodness we can getquick access to interpreters
when we need them.
But yes, it's a little awkward.
SPEAKER_00 (43:31):
Yes.
Oh MG.
SPEAKER_03 (43:34):
Well, uh, I guess you know you've had some time
off.
I have.
You had you had me, and then itwas Shannon, and then me twice.
So I really don't have it.
So uh what are we gonna hearabout?
SPEAKER_00 (43:49):
Oh my gosh, it's my turn, and boy, is it my turn.
So thank you to you and Shannonfor holding up your end while I
moved into the woods with thebears.
Um you had a pretty big move.
I did.
And we'll say that our nextepisode is going to be a little
surprise, and it is at therequest of Jillian Tanell, our
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Anyway, it's a doozy of a case,so you're gonna wanna you're
(44:35):
gonna wanna tune in.
SPEAKER_03 (44:36):
I can't wait.
I I have no idea.
I'm in the same boat as you guyshave no idea what's going on.
I want to know.
I want to know.
SPEAKER_00 (44:43):
I'll give you a hint.
It's not about it's not about abear.
Oh god.
So I thought you were gonna sayit has to do with medical.
Something medical, yes.
Uh health, true crime inhealthcare, because that's what
we're all about.
But you meanwhile, until youjoin us again, don't miss a
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