Kathy Griffin Tells Jay He’s Not Worth Gossiping About

Kathy talks about surviving Trump, the Groundlings, Stand-up, her parents who loved show biz, Sia, Joan Rivers, relationships, dating younger guys, saving every dime, and why she made Jay pay for their date.

Bio: Two-time Emmy and Grammy award-winning comedian Kathy Griffin is a towering figure on television, on tour and in publishing. In 2013, Kathy was inducted into the Guinness Book of World Records for writing and starring in an unprecedented 20 televised stand-up specials - more than any comedian in history. In 2014, Kathy made history again with her 6th consecutive Grammy nomination and first win for Best Comedy Album (Kathy Griffin: Calm Down Gurrl), joining Whoopi Goldberg and Lily Tomlin as the only other female comedians to ever win Grammy awards for Best Comedy Album. Her hit Bravo series, Kathy Griffin: My Life on the D-List aired for 6 years and won 2 Emmys. It was nominated every single year of its run. The series also earned her a GLAAD Media Award for Best Reality Program.

Kathy starred on NBC's Suddenly Susan and guest starred on multiple legendary TV series including Seinfeld, Law & Order: SVU, Glee, You, and Curb Your Enthusiasm. Additionally, she has lent her unique voice to animated characters in Shrek Forever After, The Simpsons, American Dad, Futurama and Dilbert. Kathy’s unrivaled style of humor and prolific comedy pedigree has made her one of television's go-to hosts for premier live events. Kathy drew huge worldwide audiences to CNN's New Year's Eve special, which she co-produced and co-hosted with Anderson Cooper for 10 years. Kathy co-hosted The Billboard Music AwardsLIVE three years in a row, the 41st annual Daytime Emmy Awards LIVE and AARP's Movies for Grownups Gala. Her sure-fire hosting success led to her own LIVE late night talk show, Kathy.Also an accomplished author, Kathy’s memoir, Official Book Club Selection: A Memoir According to Kathy Griffin, debuted at #1 on the New York Times Bestseller List. Her much-anticipated second book, Kathy Griffin’s Celebrity Run-Ins: My A-Z Index, was also a New York Times Best Seller. On the stage, Kathy has performed standup for hundreds of thousands around the globe. Buoyed by her fiercely dedicated fans, Kathy's live performances are legendary and in a class of their own. The fiery redhead has sold out shows to rave reviews throughout North America, Europe, Australia and Asia at such iconic venues as The Sydney Opera House, The Mark Taper Forum, Madison Square Garden, Carnegie Hall and The Kennedy Center. Kathy has also performed for active military servicemen and women in such war zones as Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, and Uzbekistan. She has graced the covers of The Hollywood Reporter, Adweek, and The Advocate, and has had in-depth profiles in New York Magazine and Forbes.

In addition to performing, writing and producing, Kathy is a renowned speaker and has taken her empowering messages of equality through activism and humor all over the country. Kathy’s passionate advocacy for women, the LGBT community, and other disenfranchised groups have been displayed through numerous candid and intimate conversations with award-winning journalists and moderators from The Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, The Hudson Union Society, 92Y, as well as tech giants Google and AOL. She has been honored in this area with multiple awards including The Human Rights Campaign's Ally for Equality, GLAAD's Vanguard Award, The Trevor Life Award from the Trevor Project, Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America's Leadership in Entertainment honor, the Harvard College Distinguished Service Partner Award, Veterans Tickets Foundation Distinguished Donor Award, the Lambda Legal Liberty Award, a two-time Ladies’ Home Journal “Funny Ladies We Love” Recipient, and a Gracie Award for Outstanding Female Lead.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Strawhut Media. Hi, I'm Kathey Griffin. Can you believe I'm
at this shit show? I know I can't either. I
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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(00:59):
it on the show and I have something to ask
my guests. We have a great show for you today.
A great friend of mine who I have known for decades,
I perform with at the Groundlings and the very first
beginning class there. I've known her for forty five fifty
years Kathy Griffin. Kathy has turned into an in demand

(01:23):
comedian and built her own fan base and her own
style of shows. It's comedy, but it's also comedy with
a gossipy vibe. If you like Kathy Griffin, you love
Kathy Griffin. That's how it goes. And Kathy. Interestingly enough,
that persona of Kathy Griffin is Kathy Griffin. She is

(01:45):
the girl who loves Hollywood, who loves gossip, who loves
to chat, who likes to overshare. That's who she is.
So we get a chance to do that in person
with a great old friend and see how she's doing.
She's led a very tumult life with a lot of
ups and downs, unfair criticism, maybe some fair, but a

(02:07):
lot of unfair criticisms, and a lot of trouble that
she didn't deserve. But then also she's come through with
incredible spirit, an incredible resilience, and I want to talk
to you about that because I think I could use
some of her resilience. And so we'll be right back
with Kathy Griffin right after this.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Don't be alone with JJ Cogan.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Kathy Griffin, thank you for being here.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Jake Cogan, my friend forever. I love you so much.
All right, Well, you tell them one of the things
we used to do together before my global fame.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Oh that's right. I played piano for you.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
You played piano for me because I would do any
open mic night, whether it was a gay club or
a straight club.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
And at the gay clubs anyway, you weren't the gay clubs.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Doing your thing anyway in the bathroom. So I just
snagged you out of the bathroom line and said, get
to work. And that's how determine you and I were
to make it in this business. Is we did whatever
it took.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
At the time, we were both in our very first
Groundings class together and beg the late eighties, the beginning
Groundlings class. Yeah, you know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
We can.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
We can divide time anyway you like. I know eies,
I still know you. However, you want to say the
time flows, but it's fine. But we were in a
Phyllis Katz's class for a beginning groundings class.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Well tell them what the groundings is.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
They know it's like the Premiere.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Improv Theater group in Los Angeles. From now. If you're
a Chicagoan, as I am, it's a second city like
situation where there's a school and it's like football, where
there's cuts. You have to make it to the next
level of the school, and you could get cut at
any level. And then if you make it to the
Sunday Company, which you and I did, correct, then that's

(03:58):
really big. And then you to get into the Friday
Saturday Country, the main company. I did not know, but
I was fortunate enough to get in by the skin
of my teeth because everyone who voted for me said
it was my vote that got you in.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Everybody.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
But I got to work with the great Phil Hartman,
the late great Phil Hartman, who we knew and miss
every day, and was so brilliant Jay that sometimes I
would be on stage with him and he's the only
one that would I would actually mentally leave the scene
and become a fan, and I'd have to remind myself, oh,
I'm playing his wife in the scene, like get it together, Griffin.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Oh he was great. I mean that's so many. I
mean all those so many.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
F Cherio Terry, I mean many. Judy Tole, our friend
who went on to write for Sex in the City,
talked me into doing stand up comedy and said, I
think stand up is more your thing than sketches. This
Kudro from Friends played Phoebe on Friends, pulled me aside
and said, I think you're good at scheduacking, but I

(05:03):
think you're better at stand up. And Judy told and
Lisa Kudrou, are really why I started doing open mic
nights and doing actual stand up?

Speaker 3 (05:12):
I remember you started doing something called a hot Cup of.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Talk Hot cup of Talk, which Dana Gould came up
with the title for. And he's one of my favorite
comedians and our longtime friend, brilliant, brilliant guy. And I said, well,
I don't do jokes, per se. I tell these stories
from my life. So it's like and he said, like
sitting around having a cup of coffee with your gossipy

(05:36):
best friend and he's gonna spill way too much, not
coffee but gossip and hopefully make you laugh. And so
he said, why don't you call it hot cup of Talk?
And I was so insecure that to get industry folks,
casting directors, directors, producers to come to a theater was

(05:56):
so difficult that I only charged a dollar of the
show and the show would be four comics, and I
brought my mom's egg timer, and so I would start
the show, set it for fifteen minutes when the bell rang,
even if I was in the middle of a syllable, right,
I would go coming up next, Jenny and Garoffalo right,

(06:18):
and then Jeany would go to fifteen. She'd set the
clock ding coming up next, Margaret show. And then we
would often have a unique guest, like I had Lisa
Kujo or herself did some stand up one time, which
was fun. Quentin Tarantino came and did some stand up,
which was fun. That's crazy because he super crazy because
he just tells these stories.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
You know him, right, No, No, he's uh he talks.
The the are all good talkers. Yes, these people are all
good talking cups of talk. But okay, So you were
always kind of fun and gossipy and had the sort
of like wanted to know the inside scoop all ways
everything everybody, everything personal, my life, anybody's life, everything's on
the table. But also I could show busy kind of

(07:01):
stuff in all the game.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Well, when I start, like when I started doing stand up,
it was probably more about like my family and dating.
And then when I finally started getting little gigs and
I mean I I did everything. I did a pilot
with Fritz Coleman. Now, if you're a Los Angeles person,
you know that name. He was a He is a
comic now, but he was a legendary weather man. I

(07:24):
don't want to say Ron Burgundy, right, because he really
wasn't Ron Burgundy. He's a sweeteart.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Old grandpa, yes.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
But he was so valued that part of his financial
deal was they said, we'll give you a sitcom pilot,
and I was in the cast, and I played a
punk rocker.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Hi by that. By that, I'm love you for buying that.
At a certain point in our lives we could have
been punk rockers. Yeah, why not?

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I mean I had a crinoline skirt, which is more Madonna,
but I used to tie my hair in stockings. And
then the other guest on the on the Fritz pilot
was Thomas Dolby. Okay, doesn't get more ades to that.
So I was That was maybe the first set I
was on. So then I started talking about meeting celebrities

(08:14):
as I would audition more. And then when I started
finally getting guest spots on like Fresh Prince of bel
Air or Seinfeld or Mad About You or Er then
nobody was safe because then I started telling me behind
the scenes what really happens. And as you know, also
when I was a complete unknown nobody, I still would

(08:37):
make them. Let me bring my elderly drunken parents to
every single set that I was ever on, and they
loved you, Jay, I love them.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
You're disparaging two people I loved. They are not the
wine j elderly drunken people. They were super fans. Let's
start with that. Okay, they were super fans, yes of yours,
but also show business. Oh my god, I grew up here,
so I kind of, you know, want to see a
celebrity that's still kind of impressed. But they were just like, whoa,
this is fantastic, and they loved it. They loved it.

(09:11):
They loved it, and they loved you, and they will go.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Up to celebrities and ask for tips for me. At
one time, they were filming a little show you may
recall named Heart to Heart Sure, and my mother, who
was I'm sure tipsy, went up to Stephanie Powers and said,
my daughter is trying to get in the biz, and
she always called it the biz. Really, Sure, that's acceptable.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
To you, Jay, because if you're from Chicago and you
hear about show business. It's the bizz you want to be.
You want to be, you want to use the insider phrase,
and that's what she wanted to represent.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I get it when you're talking to Stephanie Powers, you
want to kind of sound like you know, in face. Okay,
And Stephanie Powers said to my mother, tell her to
take every single gig, and Jay, you know, you know
I took that to heart. Yes, but great built It's
the best advice. My house is paid off. I'm happy.

(10:07):
I was blacklisted for almost seven years by the freaking
president and I'm still okay. I take every gig, and
I take it with a smile right now.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I was told by who is at Phyllis Katz who
told me that she had heard that you took your
parents of the Polo Lounge every week or something like that.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
My mother's dream was to post retirement because she worked
at the admin office of a hospital, the Catholic Hospital,
and her dream was to be the hostess at the
Polo Lounge. So she well, she didn't want to really
do the work part with like the writing down and
the scheduling. She wanted to see the celebrities and who
sat with who, and who was naughty and who was nice.

(10:46):
So I am absolutely a product of my parents. My
dad was the shit talker, and my dad would say,
you know, fuck him if they can't take a joke,
and he would always say, do the Joe, Kathleen, I
don't care if you never work again, which I did, right.
And my mom was more of the gossipy one, but
then would act like she was shocked at everything I said.

(11:09):
And her dream was that I would be read a Runner, right,
that was her. Why can't you just be more like
that sweet reader Runner? Everyone loves her. You're too divisive,
which is true.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well she was right, yeah, but not too divisive that's
your hook.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oh wait, do you read your comments after this, Jake,
it's gonna be sobering.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Part of what you offer to the fan is you're
gonna tell it like it is, right. That's your thing,
and you just you, and you're unafraid to do stuff.
And sometimes it's gotten you into some hot.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Water, absolutely some.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Overall, the people who love you love you even more
and follow you found over time.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yes, when you.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Were blacklisted, the dark time. There's a fan base who's
with you no matter.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
What yes, And let me tell you, thank God for
that fan base, and thank God for something as simple
as ticket sales, because when I couldn't get work because
of my very controversial photo of Trump's decapitated head, which
if you just want to google Kathy Griffin Donald Trump,
it comes right up there covered in ketchup. Actually that
it was a Halloween mask. Anyway, I was investigated by

(12:22):
the Department of Justice. I was put on the no
fly list, the Interpol list, which is the international version
of the no fly list, the Five Eyes List, which
is the ISIS terror watch list. I was detained at
every airport in the States and abroad, and when you're detained,
they take your phone and passport. So as much as

(12:43):
I have a team of very expensive lawyers who I
like very much, they're all brilliant, I've been sued seven
times since the Trump photo by Trumpers, and it lives
on in their minds to this day, and I've been.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
I'm sorry for the sir The sirrus was a lot.
I am happy that that there's something out there that's
jabbing them. I've got to be honest. I mean, if
you want to.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Go for the king, you got to cut his head off,
and I thought people would get that it was a
spoof of Perseus and Medusa, which no one did, and
the chies stood alone. But now it's incredibly refreshing. People
will stop me on the street and say that picture
is my screensaver, or it cracked me up, or you

(13:34):
saw how dangerous he was when others didn't yet, or whatever.
But I also know the Donald fairly well. I've done
gigs for him. He hired me one time to roast
him at Bedminster and I'm not really a classic roaster.
That's more Jeff Ross and so Lisa Lambinelli, of course,
and he knows my gig and I one time I

(13:57):
sat next to him for four hours a Larry King
roast in New York, and I was in between the
Donald and Gilbert Godfried and thank God for Gilbert because
he was so sweet, and I kept turning him to saying, Gilbert,
you've got to talk to me. The Donald is so
stupid and he just won't shut up, and he's such
a star fucker, and every new person that came in

(14:20):
he would like freak out. And I was on The
Apprentice twice, not as a contestant, but part of challenges.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
One of the great joys of my life is I
think that he, like your parents, loves celebrities. Oh and
the fact that for the most part he is in
exile shoes from the best of the best of people.
He hated, hated, hated by everybody, and he knows it,
and he feels it, and he pretends like it doesn't matter,

(14:50):
and he'll go out with Kid Rock or some really third,
third rate version of a celebrity. And I love that.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
I love that he's taking political advice from Bob Ritchie,
which is Kid Rock's real name. And yes, he is
furious that he has Chachi and Rob Schneider. He's furious.
And I love what I do, and I'm so grateful that,
like you said, I lost a lot of my fan base,
a lot of my southern fan base, obviously, but I

(15:19):
gained a lot of the liberals in the sort of
MSNBC crowd. No, because I will. As you know, I
was never a political comedian until this, and now I'm
somehow the and culture of the left, which cracks me
up because I really talk about the Kardashians and my
own misadventures.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
But I will.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
I'm going back on tour November eighth, I'll be a
planet Hollywood in Vegas. I am going to go for
Trump pretty hard on this next tour because the last
tour I had a different story to tell. But this
time I'm going to go for him, not mostly. I'll
probably only do I do a two hour show, but
I'll probably do like fifteen minutes. But I will tell
you so it's actually traumatic for me to now have

(16:03):
to start following his hijinks again, because I've been on
since my own incident where the FEDS really tried to
charge me with the felony of conspiracy to assassinate the
president of the United States. I find out.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Doing a joke which is also political speech.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Of course, of course, and when it was happening, I
called the Great David Steinberg. I called so many comedians
and they were shocked at the response. And I have
talked to believe it or not. I have Trump friends,
and I know that's hard to believe. But I have
friends that didn't vote, which I struggle with. I have

(16:45):
friends that are Trumpers, and I struggle with that. But
my whole life, I've had friends of all parties. And
my mom was a Republican and my dad was a
dem and so I grew up with that at the
dinner table. But I've never seen anything like this with
the Donald because I've done jokes about you know, the
Bill Clinton, Monaca Lewinsky scandal and W with the Mission

(17:06):
Impossible banner and h W being the former CIA A
secretary and all the shady stuff he did, and so
it was always very much on the table to make
fun of a president for any committianill And when I
ask my Trumper friends why they vote for him if
it isn't the usual misinformation, like he's a really good

(17:29):
businessman and all of the business mishaps are fake news.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
By the way, he now is a really good businessman
because he's all of this. He actually has money now
exactly for real, real post to pretend money.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, he had pretend money for a long time.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
So he's got the meaning that he gets a vibe.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
I hear from people that voted for him that they
just go, I don't know, I like his vibe, and
I don't know what to do with that information, Jay, But.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
When people meet him, they don't instantly hate him. He
finds a way to great himself. Sometimes not to you.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
The last time I saw him, which was at Bedminster,
as I walked up to him because he called me
and he wanted me to do the gig for ten
k and I said, Donald, I'm not flying to Jersey
for ten k. I go My price is fifty and
take it leave right. So he gave me the fifty.
I mean. The Washington posted a whole story on this.
By the way, David Farenthald, who won a Pula surprise,

(18:23):
was the reporter of Note et cetera. And so I said, okay,
I'll do it for fifty. And the reason I did
it is because I was the host of a charity
challenge on The Apprentice. And I said, well, if I'm hosting,
who's the headliner? And the headliner was Liza Minelli. Okay, now, Jay, yes,

(18:44):
you know me.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
You're going to show up for Liza.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Oh yes, every minute of every day in any way
we can show up for Liza, we do. She is
our queen. And so I spent the day with the
Donald and Eliza, and the Donald was driving us around
in a golf cart and Liza was saying, Honey, Honey,
get him to slow down, Honey, he's going too fast.

(19:06):
And I had a perfectly sort of fun day with
the Donald, and he was just in his element and
he said, oh, and he made the sign of the
Cross with his two four fingers. Oh, here she comes.
Don't be too tough on the hair. And I said,
I want to touch it. I want to touch the nest.
And it feels just like a bird's nest doesn't move.

(19:29):
I don't know, Rick does it? I tried to. I said,
does Melanie do it? Because I call the wife Melanie, right.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Sure she does. Notely does nothing. Way.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
So that was my experience with the Donald the last
time I saw him. So when he came at me,
it was, I will say, a part of him I
did not know. But I also like, I didn't live
in New York, so I didn't know the racial stuff
about the Central Park attack and how he threw those
kids under the bus, and I did not had not
seen that ad And that's thing he would mention if

(20:02):
I would run into him at an NBC Universal which
is now Peacock event. He was just very star fucking
and was always up my ass about something and wanting
to be near me and be photographed with me. I
have pictures with him. I have felt his hair I saw.
I have seen him degrade Eric and Don Junior to

(20:26):
a point that it was uncomfortable for me, and now
they both come for me hardcore. And the way he
acts around Ivanka is so awkward, Jay, it is so
clear that he has a crush on her. It is
it is creepy, creepy.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Don't be alone with jin.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
On the show. I usually have somebody come and help
me with my problems. Okay, that's all what the show
is about. Okay, So you're here to help me with
my problems. And my problem is that that I don't
think I have as much resilience as I should. And
you're somebody who has a lot of resilience. You've had cancer.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
I have half the lung on my left side. The
divorce I just went through took me out like it
was worse than the cancer. That's just the page.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
So yeah, you're broken, broken hearted, the career setbacks.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
The loss of many friends because of the Trump scandal,
many many industry correct, we're not real friends, you know.
L Frank and calling me at home saying what were
you thinking? And I was going to host two book
events for him for free, and he said, I can't
be seen with you. And you know that that made

(21:55):
me sad because I had had fund raises for him
at my home, right, and I'll who's stuck by me?
And I love him as Booker. So Senator Booker is
the real deal. And he is the only I think,
the only elected and as Speaker Pelosi that would actually
reach out. And so yeah, it was a really difficult book.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
You've got Pelosian Booker in your book, your contacts. All right. Well,
so you say you're not political, but look at your friends.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
I am a political junkie, but I still don't like
you know, I think of Bill Maher being a political comic.
All right, So you want more resilience.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
I want more resilience. But I think you know the
the ability to bounce back and and I always thought
of you as somebody who had this, you know, really
strong woman who can do this stuff. And I've come
to find out you know, you still have your thing.
PTSD is now a part of who you are. I'm

(22:54):
watching your sub stack like everything, every thank you, every
four minutes, there's a new Kathy Griffin substack that I'm watching.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
I know. I'm on substack and Patreon and they're paid
because I am my mother's daughter, and I do the
other socials as well. TikTok. I don't do X anymore,
but I am in a beef with Elon okay personally,
oh really? Yes? And I made a joke about him
that he didn't like. And then I changed my account

(23:22):
name from at Kathy Griffin to at Elon Musk and
I started tweeting very lefty pro woman things right, and
then some of it got pick up as if it
was really Elon. Then his fan army came after me, yes,
and they talked about how dry my vagina is was
the number one topic, and that I'm old and irrelevant

(23:45):
and too ugly to rape and why didn't cancer kill you?
So a lot of the Elon fans are it's an army.
They call it an army for a reason. Then Elon
pulled my account and it turned into the Gray Egg.
And then he tweeted that he pulled my account because
I was impersonating a comedian, which he stole because that

(24:08):
joke had actually been going around on Twitter a full day,
and so then I wrote back, you are a hacks hack.
You actually stole a tweet from one of your own fans.
You can't. You are not a genius. I am onto
you his thing.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
He wants to be considered funny, and he's telling me
about it. He's not funny.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
What about when Dave Chappelle brought him out on stage?
Have you seen that video?

Speaker 3 (24:33):
No?

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Okay, so there's Dave the Goat? Ye right. I wish
you would lay off the trans people because I feel
like he's like almost obsessed. But I don't think he
I think he's a genius, and maybe he is the goat.
I and you and I have known David since he
was probably eighteen.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
I don't know Dave Chappelle on a personal level at all.
I've been met him twice, but I don't know him.
I respect his work.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
A lot, respect his work a lot. I the last
time I saw him, lie it was like, and I'm
not religious, but it was like going to church. He
was so good. So I just I just admire his
work tremendously. And I've always got along really well with him,
and I've had really fun times with him. Like one
time I got to be a presenter at the Mark

(25:17):
Twain Awards to Eddie Murphy, who I had met one
time for five minutes, and I went to David's room
and I said, let's let's go knock on Eddie's door
in our pajamas, and he was like, you are so crazy,
and we did, and it was really funny because Eddie's
wife opened the door. So there's Kathy Griffin and Dave
Chappelle in our robes. And then finally I just kept

(25:38):
yelling Eddie, Eddie, Dave Chappelle made me come into your room.
Dave Chappelle made me come into your room, and then
we ended up like having one of the great like
comedy moments in my life. He's like, come on, legendary.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I mean, both of them are amazing. I worked with
Eddie Murphy on a movie. He's the smartest, best, most
wonderful and a great actor.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Movies star, like an old school movie star, not that
he shouldn't do TV and he does.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
What I'm just saying, that magic something that everybody says,
what is that thing he has? But I honestly want
to talk about how I know that you had a tough,
you know, heartbreak in your life, and I know that
it's and.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
That's my achilles heel. I'm a foolish romantic and so
that sort of thing. Just when I fall in love,
I fall in love. I mean, I was with a
guy for four years that worked to thank God it's Fridays,
and I was mad in love with him. So I really,
when I fall in love with the guy, it's not
what he can procure for me. I have my own money.

(26:38):
I don't need you to pay my bills. I just
if I love you, I love you, and that's my
Achilles Heel.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Okay, but I mean it's not Achilles Heel. It's in
the best of all possible worlds. Love is great, It's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
That's that's why I still think there might be another
guy out there for me. Of course there is, but
it's based on nothing, Jay, I have no evidence as
a woman with many attorneys, and I'm taking free online
law classes at Harvard dot Com. And I'm not even
kidding because I am fascinated by the law, having been
through so much litigation, that I don't I have no

(27:17):
evidence to support that I will, at the tender age
of sixty four, being be having become an accidental controversial person,
which I never met. I did want to be famous,
you know me, but not infamous.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
I know, but they don't get the choice somebody, but
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
I think there might still be somebody out there for me.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Why wouldn't there be?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Have you met La? I mean the guys may my
age want a twenty two year old names Felana and
she looks like one of the Kardashians or any of them,
and then they have to pay to start her handbag
line or her skincare line, right, which I don't need.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Okay, there's a certain type of guy who won that.
There's lots of certain types of guy who don't want that.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Recently, I went on a date date. I'm on the
dating apps for real as myself, which is crazy.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
As a as a subscriber to your sub stack, I
know all about your dating life.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
And I'm not trying to fool anybody. I'm not under
a pseudonym. I'm not a no picture. It's me, right,
and I want to meet like real people. I'm not
looking for like Hollywood people that lie on the apps
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
This is something that you've always done too, now, this
is you've you lean towards real people rather than Hollywood. Yeah, assholes, Yes,
because you thought they'd be safer or realer.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
I think I grew up with that, and so it's
kind of what I.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Know, right, But sometimes it has backfired.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Sometimes it's backfire, sometimes it's badfied.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yeah, So as a Hollywood asshole, I'm just saying, like,
give the Hollywood asshole a chance.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Oh, sometimes you can't want Spedlana. I'm not twenty three,
and you don't have to fund about.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Skin whatever direction they have to swipe on you if
they want Feedlana.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Right, I had to have a gen z er do
my profile because I'm so old and I couldn't even
figure out how to do the forms. So it started
out as a dare from the singer Sea, a singer
songwriter Sean.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Bright involved in All my comedian friends are pals with Cia.
How did that happen?

Speaker 1 (29:21):
She when she wants to meet someone, she will make
it her business.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
So you and and Julia and Lisa Kudrou and all
these people love Sia.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yes, she is a magical person and she's my bestie
and I just love her to death. And so I
was at her house three weeks ago and Nia Vardalas
was there, who created the incredibly successful My Big Fat
Greek Wedding franchise, and they dared me to go on
the apps.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Why is there no by big fat Greek yogurt franchise?

Speaker 1 (29:52):
I was going to think of that.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Come on, where's the merchandise? You can make the money
right now.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
She could do it in Greece. Do you know that
she's the Britney Spears of Greece. Oh, I swear to God.
When she goes to Greece, she has to have security.
She is the de facto queen of Greece. And she
has a Greek boyfriend who just moved here, Spiros, who's
and he was helping with the apps because every time
I didn't answer Spiro's would yell no, too scary, that's

(30:19):
too scary, and you know, because I wanted to put
like what I really my real story is that I
sleep with all four of my dogs, which is a
total cock block. I love it. I feel their love
like nothing else I can explain. They help me with
the cancer, they help me with the breakup.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
They just it's exactly, it's it's what you It's the
love you want because it's it's uh, it's it's wholehearted,
it's complete. There's their comedy on the They're they're adorable.
They're funny and kind of they also are a good
reflection of what you're feeling at any given moment. Yes,
so you like you feel seen.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
They know if I'm having a tough they hang out
with me more or whatever.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
And so when I was saying, well, I should put
on the apps that I like to go to bed
at six thirty at night with an audiobook preferably written
by a woman with my four dogs, he nicked that.
He said no, no walks on the beach, walks on
the beach. And so I did have one date where
and this the guy didn't do anything wrong technically, but

(31:25):
he did technically. I mean, it's my own issue because
he did describe that if you wanted to, he could
kill me in under two seconds with his thumb.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
He didn't say I want to kill you, no.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Ames trying to impress you with his prowess, his self
defense prowess.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
And then used his thumb and said, you grab the
person by the back of the neck, you take your thumb,
you dig it into their Adams apple.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
And to show you that he'd be a good protector
and and and that that that what you want from
a man is a little protection.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
But here's the problem. I'm like more like a dude.
And so that's what I run into is I'm a chick,
but I'm into like a male dominated field, and I'm
like ballsy and like.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
So you have this drive and you're unstoppable. Why is
that drive and unstoppableness not with this other thing about
your your romantic life or whatever.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
I think I miss the red flags because I'm so
career focused. My brain is always writing, as is yours,
I'm sure, and so I think sometimes I miss the
vores for the trees.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
And I also always thinking about writing, not really writing,
like writing is harder, be really good. I should write
that down someday, and then I go on to do
my lazy thing.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Okay, so tell people this. In a real life sitcom
writer's room, how many hours are you in the room
and how many hours are you actually typing?

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Oh? I mean, first of all, you're not typing somebody
else's typing if you're a writer. Okay, writers, But the
the amount of time you're writing on a day that
you're schedule, Well, we get there at nine o'clock and
we leave it three in the morning.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I mean, Jay, that is insane.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, but I mean it wasn't all writing. It's a
lot of us thinking.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Okay, but it is like okay, that's going in.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
The show, right, And a lot of it's just me,
you know, putting whip cream on my face. It's like
there's not there's room jokes and other things that are
going down. Nerving ball oh yeah, okay, nerve balls and
throwing people through putting wiley wall and ASKI my writing
partner through putting on the ceiling. And it's stayed there.
It's still there for thirty years. Good, you know it's
been It's better, I mean classic, but writing. Nobody writes

(33:39):
for ten hours. No, nobody writes for times. We think
and we moll and we think and we joke and
we get lunch and lots of things have to happen
to get a script out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
So that and that's kind of how I approached my act.
So like knowing that I'm have a show November eighth,
I admit that when I was on the date with
the thumb.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
This is for the act.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I of course I did. Okay, he said he could
kill me in under two seconds. Jay, you can't write that. No,
that's real. And the people in the audience know me
enough to know I didn't make that up out of
thin air.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
No, this is not particularly to you. But don't all
women think that all men are going to kill them anyway?

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Oh yeah, and we know you're going to dismember us
in seven parts. It's always seven.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
I get bummed out that women think I'm going to
kill them. We did. I understand that you do. I
get bummed out that that's a thought that happens to
strangers and probably my wife also, like everybody, all these
things that men are going to kill them.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
We are scared every time we walk down the street alone,
even during the day, because if you get to my age,
I've had trumpers come up and push me on the
shoulder so hard that I almost fell on the sidewalk,
and yil, that's that's from Trump or whatever. I've had
fans assault you. Somebody picks me up and flipped me

(35:01):
upside down, and he was a fank and he did
it so fast it was actually on camera, and I
just and he was like, I love you, girl, and
hugged me. And so that's why we have that fears.
We've had actual experiences at our.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Simper pushing you down. That's assault. Yes, what do you
do with that?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
I keep walking, I keep walking.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Call the police.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
The cops are Trumpers. When I deal, when I talk
to my security team and I have to hire actual security,
which I do sometimes, I will say sorry to do this,
but I need you to make sure that the person
you're sending me is not a Trumper. And his answer
to me was, ma'am, that question is fair. Eighty five

(35:49):
percent of my guys are Trumpers, and so that's a
conflict of interest. I don't know that that guy has
a hit an agenda or maybe in the moment.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
You need to be able to keep people accountable if
they're going to physically harm you, which is against the law,
whereas doing a political joke is not against me.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Correct And yet, and when that happened, when that guy
knocked me on the street like that, I had a
show that night at eight, and the Joan rivers in
me was like, I'm not missing the show.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
By the way, I'm the same way, and I agree
with that completely.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
If you see me, don't push me, don't push me.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
I'll put show anybody.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
No, don't push any I don't push anybody.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
No, it's ridiculous. All right, tell me about in your
brazen manner, you're just a say what you think. Who
have you hurt that you maybe regret?

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Well, I did an episode. I have a YouTube show
called Kathy Griffin Dalk your head off and it's just
me popping off in the camera. And I did do
an episode where I apologized to Brookshields because I put
a story in one of my specials about her that
she did not like. Has not spoken to me since

(37:03):
I knew her husband before, before she even met him,
and I think he also was not pleased. But I
will say she saw me do the story live, was
okay with it then, but seeing it on camera is
a different animal. Okay, So I I get why she
would kind of disown me, because she was like it

(37:27):
was one thing to see in a small theater. Now
it's like anybody in the world can see this story.
And it was a story about her mom, who was
a very famous mamager long before Chris Jenner and Brooke
had to deal with her mom's issues when Brooke was.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
A child, about her whole family. And it's an amazing,
pretty baby.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
It's on Hulu. It's a must watch it.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
And you have such sympathy for her. It's incredible talking
about resilience. Yes, yeah, pretty pretty, pretty good. You don't
think somebody like Brookshields would would have that tough of life,
and it turns out she did.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
She sure did.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah. Yeah, okay, so you heard Brooke. But is there
somebody who you hadn't met, who you maybe offended on
the way and then met later and Gonne, Oh oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
I mean I get confronted all the time. The most
dramatic one was with the late great Whitney Houston and
she I was hosting the Billboard Music Awards and you know,
as you know, in between the band is setting up
or whatever, and you get the You're told, okay, now
you have forty seconds to be funny.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Go.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
So what I usually would do was make fun of
whoever had just performed or just presented, and in a
way that I hoped would be amusing, not just vicious.
And so Whitney was there and she came up to
me backstage and I'm just this is a pretty big
award show, like it still goes on. Usually the host

(38:54):
is treated pretty well. I was being treated very well
by the producers, the network, everything. I'm in a long
Rents ball gown, the whole thing, body makeup, you know,
the whole thing. And Whitney came up to me and
really got in my face and she had her sweaty
finger and she was pointing at me, and she just
kept saying, don't you talk about me, don't you talk

(39:14):
about me? And she was with her bodyguard, and then
I thought, and it wasn't Kevin Costa, and she was
with her not Kevin cost bodyguard, and I thought, oh,
his job is he just kind of watches while she
threatens to kill people? And I was but she was scary,
and I, of course I'm a super fan and to

(39:35):
this day like I'm on her TikTok algorithm and I
love her. But she did not appreciate my humor. And
then I walked out on stage because it was a
live show and said, you guys, guess what Whitney Houston
just did to me. She just came up to me
with her cracky finger, waved it right my face and
screamed to me, don't you talk about me? Don't you
talk about me? So then I was like running away

(39:59):
from Whitney euston stage, like if you could have seen
it before, there was reality TV. She at that moment, Yes,
I'm going to allege very much, so seemingly so. And
I also I'm going to say which you know. But
the nineties and the aughts, the mandate for comedy at

(40:19):
that time was viciousness. It was almost exclusively roasting type
of material. So even the bosses were like, go for it,
like go for the jugger. Like when I hosted the
roast for Joan Rivers, it was interesting because the vibe
was so vicious that other comics were dropping out, like

(40:41):
Lily Tomlin dropped out a day before the taping. So
I called Lily and I said, don't do this to Joan,
like she wants the roasters to be people that she
knows and stuff. And Lily said this thing that stuck
with me to this day. She said, don't you think
Joan Rivers has been roasted enough? And I was like,
I I respect Joan being mad a Lily, not forever,

(41:03):
but for a minute. And yet I respect Lily being like,
even though it's the day before, I can do it
to David Hasselhoff. There was a Donald Trump roast, there
was a Pam Anderson roast. You know many you know,
all the writers, you know, Joel gall and the producer,
but you know the mandate was like, go for the
jugg in and that I worked a lot during that

(41:27):
go for the jugular period. So when I think back
about some of my old specials, I might sell cringe.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Don't be alone with JG.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
I want to also mention that you have a movie
coming out called My Life on THETSD list.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yes, it's coming out on YouTube because it's feature length,
all right, and the powers that be wanted me to
cut it down to an hour, and just this one time,
I thought, you know, I can't tell his story in
an hour, and so I'm going to just put it
on YouTube. I probably won't make a dime. I paid
for it myself, but I really hope people like it
and laugh and find it entertaining. So My Life on

(42:21):
the PTSD.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Look out for that as it goes. Here's question time.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Okay, is question.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
A weird algorithm? Rights? I want to hear about Tarantino
going to the groundings to recruit her and other people
for pulp Fiction cast and were what were your experiences
thoughts and were there any backlash from unhired groundlings?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Okay, Well, first of all, I cared that film. It's
why it won the Palm Door at the can Film Festival.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
I think of it as a Kathy Griffin movie.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Thank you. It's Kathy Griffin and Friends, right. And what
Quinn did because we were dating at the time, which
was not unusual. I'm not saying we were exclusive and
he was in love with me. He was you know
who he was really in love with. He was really
in love with Margaret show like they went out for
a long time, but he was really in love with Margaret,
and who wouldn't be Okay, So anyway, but that's a

(43:18):
little dish. Well, remember Margaret's queer, so the team is fluid,
and at that time it was team Quinton, and then
I think she may have even been the one that
broke it off. Okay, so wait, what was the question?

Speaker 3 (43:34):
The question was was there any backlash from other grounds
or anything.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
I'm sure if I had not gotten the opportunity to
have three lines in pulp fiction, which really was exciting,
like just to be there with Ving Raims, whom I
Seene was with, and Bruce Willis and be around Quinton
at that time, like I had not seen Reservoir Dogs.
He thought that was appalling, So he assembled the asked

(44:01):
and took me to see it at the New Beverly.
So I went to see Reservoir Dogs with the Dogs fantastic,
and then we went to the diner across the street.
That's a bucket list fantastic. So I don't know if
the other groundings were pissed, but if I had not
been chosen for a small role, I would be pissed.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
What has been the best show to work on?

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Oh? Man, I you know this is gonna sound selfish,
but I really love doing my own specials because I
get to write, produce and almost direct and perform and
so having the freedom to say the shit that I
think you guys think is funny is the best. But
as far as like shows to work on, like it

(44:42):
was very exciting to be on Fresh Prints because Will
Smith was just off his rap career. I was on
episode five of the entire series. Quincy Jones was there
just kind of like watching and that was a while.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Did your parents get to meet q?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah, they got to be cute and it's so great.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
It's so great.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Great, And I was like, don't call him cute, don't
like call him mister Joe.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
I want.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
I know you do, but just know it's a bad
look for me.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
It's so fantastic.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
And I got to be on er once when Quentin directed,
so I got to have a scene with George Clooney
and then Quinton and Clooney and I went into Clooney's
dressing room and made crank calls and that was really fun. Fun.
Do you like what a serious actress I am? But
I'm not talking about any of the actual actings.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
That's the fun part.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Calls with Quentin Tarantino and George Clooney.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
That's what's great.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Come on, that's freaking great.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
All right, wef comedy. Jam wants to know do people
hate her because of that Seinfeld episode? What are you
talking about?

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (45:50):
I've done two episodes of Seinfeld, and the second one
they wrote for me, which was incredible because I did
one episode I thought Jerry was a dick, and then
in my very first HBO, which is now Max Special,
I did a story about what a dick Jerry was
in real life, and Larry David promised, Jerry will never

(46:10):
see it. You have nothing to worry about. The last
thing Jerry Seinfeld is going to do is watch your
comedy special. So I then get a call from my agency.
Jerry Seinfeld called. He's furious, he's sending something to the agency.
And I have a framed letter in one of my
guest bathrooms from Jerry yelling at me. That is so

(46:31):
precious to me. And he brags that he actually made
an exercise in the room that all the writers got
together and came up with this letter to put me
in my place. Very good, and it is now a framer.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Good for him. You know, you got to defend yourself, Jerry.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Billy writes, has she ever had an idea for a cartoon?
And would you do a voice on the Simpsons?

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I did a voice on the Simpsons. I was so honored.
I was nervous, hell because it's so iconic. I did
the show Dilbert, which was directed by the great Larry Charles.
I did two seasons of that. I know I have
a unique voice, so yes, I love doing voice work.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
All right, now it's time for something coy called listener mail.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Now it's time for listener man.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
It's a question that was sent in to me. They
didn't know you were going to be the guest. Oh good.
So this is a question for me and my guest,
which happens to be you. Ok, Jay, you've been doing
stuff for a while and become pretty successful, and your
guest must be two if they're famous enough to be
your guest. So what keeps you going? Why not stop?
Why not do something else? With love?

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Augustine, I love that question.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Go all right, well why not stop? Well? I haven't
saved fifty million dollars like my friend Kathy Griffin.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
You could buy and sell me ten times.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
So first of all, I like getting money, but also
I don't know what I I don't know what I
would do, and feel like I have so much stuff
left to do. I feel like my creative stuff is
just getting started to be cliche. It's like the Billy
Joel lyric, like you're gonna get You're gonna get kick
off before you even get halfway through. Yeah, no amount

(48:16):
of time. No, let me do all the things I
want to do. And I don't even know if I
can do the things I want to do, but I'm
gonna try. Yeah, because I have this desire and I
like content. I don't know how to make movies and
TV shows right at this moment, but it's things will
sort themselves out.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yeah, are you what.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Keeps you going same?

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I still have so much material in me. I still
say to anybody that watched Kathy Griffin My life on
the D List, my life is exactly still like that.
They're just aren't cameras following me. But I am a
magnet for crazy. I've always been a magnet for crazy.
I am very drawn too, and I think Dana Gould

(48:56):
has this quality too. And I'll use the word quality,
but I'm very drawn to quirky situations, like going on
the dating apps. Like I know, it's probably not the
best idea.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Logically, someone who's got security and is worried about I
mean that that seems.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Like someone has been on the No fly list.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
I mean, I don't as somebody who cares about you.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Why because I have to bring a security guy on
every date and have him sit like five tables away,
all right, I know, because that's because I'm security guy.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
It's like, I don't tell the date, I'm not going
to make my move on her because.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
He's might be packing. Okay, So here's something that I
agreed to do because I just can't not. So I
got an email from the late not great but the
late Larry Flint, founder of Hustler Magazine porn Magnet, but

(49:56):
who also won the landmark Supreme Court case Jerry Well
versus Hustler Magazine. So you and I have the right
to say whatever we want in this moment. And he
was the only one that had the money to fund
that case going all the way to scotis argued by
we shared a lawyer. I don't know if you know that,
but I didn't know Larry Well, but we shared a

(50:18):
First Amendment attorney who was actually portrayed in the film
The People Versus Larry Flint by Edward Norton. So anyway,
that's the real Allen I. Samin is still around and
I love him. And I got an email that I
didn't read properly. I thought it was from his daughter saying,
I've written a memoir about my dad. Will you do

(50:41):
a book event at book Soup, which is a very
cool indie bookstore here in Los Angeles? And I thought,
oh my god, this woman survived Larry Flint as a father.
The least I can do as a feminist is show up, moderate,
make her look great, help her sell books. So she
then says, can we have lunch. First, of course, who

(51:05):
doesn't want to have lunch with Larry Flynn's daughter? Well,
can you imagine the story? Can you imagine?

Speaker 3 (51:10):
All right?

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I reread the email as I'm about to go into
the lunch and I see it's actually Larry's widow who
Larry left five hundred million dollars to. So I'm now
a little bit obsessed with her because she started as
the night nurse and now she's got the five hundred million.

(51:32):
So we did the book event at book Soup. One
guy was in the front row and she said to
me after the event, did you see that guy with
the dick hanging out? And Jay, I swear to god,
I didn't notice. She's like, yeah, there was a guy
in the front row and he unzipped his pants and
whipped his dick out. And I was like, Liz, you
are good. You are really better at this than I am.

(51:55):
So she's going to have another book signing at the
Barnes and Noble.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
At the girl set about the dick or just coming, it.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Was like nothing to her. She's seen it all. She
has seen it all. And so I'm going to do
the other book event because I can't resist this woman
and her story. Sure, and if it ends up in
the act, you know, my apology is in advance.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
I mean that's a caveat you say to everybody about
everything else everything. Yes, at this point, I mean I
hope I get into the act.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
When I did the book, soup, when she sent the
one of her bodyguards and the Rolls Royce to pick
me up in Malibu, because I live in Malibu now
and it's a bit of a drive, as you know,
but worth it. And that was just funny to be
in Larry Flint's Rolls Royce with his bodyguard packing heat
because there was an attempt on Larry's life, as you know,

(52:44):
and he was famously in a wheelchair. But I will
tell you that the book is a coffee table book,
not a memoir, and it is nothing but pages of pussy. Now, Jay,
I don't mean it alludes to the vaginal area.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
It's spread eagle, pussy after pussy after pussy.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Sounds like it would go with the decor in my house, I.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Was going to say. And her motto is think pink right, Okay,
See she's a smart woman.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yeah, I have the vulva room, and it would go
a coffee table book like that would go right perfectly. Yes, yes,
all right, really nice. Maybe a signed copy. Maybe you
can arrange a sign cop.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
I'm going to get you a signed copy.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
I think the second book is also going to be
all about vaginas.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yes, because she knows the brand.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
It wasn't enough said in the first book.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
I'm sorry, do you want to argue with five hundred
million dollars because I don't.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
I'm pross she didn't the book didn't get her the
five hundred million dollars.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
No at all, right, but you know she did play
the long game with Larry.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
I mean I got to respect that.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I do.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
I respect that. I absolutely respect it. Well, I think
I got a good sense of you, Kathy. It's a
good this was in a very lovely show.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
If you don't know and does you, well, here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
I've known you for I don't know, forty fifty years,
a long time, and over the course of time, sometimes
we've not been spending a lot of time. I've reached
out to you. Sometimes when I thought you were things
were not going around, yeah, hurting, and I just want
to say, yes, you're okay. Sometimes you don't reach back.
But that doesn't mean I'm not bad about that.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
It's my depression. Sometimes my depression makes it so even
just like typing on the phone. Believe, I just admit
I'm like not capable of it. Like I can become
like almost immobile with depressions.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Yeah, of course you can't. That's what depression does.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
I really apologize because everyone and love you.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
So I don't apologies. I'm saying that it's true. I
still care about you, and if your things are going badly,
I don't want them to go badly. If things are
going great, I'm thrilled and same even if I don't
even you know, if not in the inner circle, I'm
still there.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
I just want you to I love you because I
was looking forward to today so much because I knew
that being with you would be like we were together yesterday. Yeah,
and that's what I love about you is You're the
real deal.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Kat. Thank you for being here. I really appreciate it.
I want everybody to come see you at the Planet Hollywood,
November eighth.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yes, right, and I'm coming to a city near you.
Check my website, go on my substack, my Patreon, all
my social stack is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Oh thanks. I don't know about the Patreon because I
can't afford it, but the substack is fantastic. And also
though look out for the movie My Life on the
PTSD list on the YouTube. Yes, coming soon, yes, I
think o. Chober first, fantastic. All right, well, I love you,
I'm you glad that you were here, and I love
you my dear subscribers. Thank you for being here. Please

(55:45):
spend time talking to somebody. It's good if you can
spend time talking to somebody. Anyway, well, we'll see you
next time. Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Don't be alone