April 27, 2025 • 31 mins
This week, we’re back with a grab bag of topics too good to leave behind! You gave us questions and we brought you answers. Titi and Zakiya cover everything from Cory Booker’s epic filibuster and Chappell Roan’s viral parenting comments to Benadryl and dementia, animal consciousness, and the Jurassic Park vibes of de-extinction science (hello, dire wolves 🐺). Plus, we get personal about lactation stigma and the pressures on parents to “get it right.”
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I'm TT and I'm Zakiyah, and this is Dope Labs.
Welcome to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast that mixes hardcore
science with pop culture and a healthy dose of friendship.
You know, people are always saying, how do you and
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TT pick what you're gonna talk about on Dope Labs. Yeah,
I'm like, uh, that's not a problem. It is never
a problem for us. Yeah, there's so much to talk about, yeah,
all the time. I mean, as much news as there's
coming in. We always come with topics, and you guys
are sending stuff in our dms, in our emails, some
of y'all are responding to the newsletter. Yes, that's my
(00:47):
favorite when people respond to the newsletter. Yes, but some
of the topics are really really good, but we don't
have time to get to them, or they're not big
enough to put in a full episode, or we can't
find a scientist into for like when it's relevant, you know,
and then to get the episode produced before we're on
to the next thing. That's straight. That's right, Well, guess what.
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Now we're gonna just address everything we've been wanting to
talk about, even if we want to talk about it
just a little bit. Yes, a grab bag if you will.
Uh huh. Let's start with the first thing that we
got a message about, and that was the filibuster. Oh
my gosh. Okay, So Senator Corey Booker recently made history.
He shattered the record that stood since nineteen fifty seven
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by doing a filibuster for twenty five hours straight on
the Senate floor, no breaks, no naps, no bathroom breaks.
Isn't that crazy? I'm not that committed. I mean, in
my spirit, I feel that I committed my spirit. Yes,
when it's time to do it, I don't think I'm
able to do it before him. The last person to
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have a really long filibuster, So, the last person to
hold the record was Strom Thurman with twenty four hours
back in nineteen fifty seven. And he was trying to
block the Civil Rights Act back in nineteen fifty seven.
For his twenty four hour filibuster. Yeah, so what Senator
Corey Booker did is historic, and it's historic for I
think two big reasons. One, he was talking about these
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really controversial executive orders that have been coming out rapid fire.
And I think that the other really important thing is
to dethrone someone like Strom Thurman who was doing a
filibuster to block civil rights and having a black man
stand up there and do it, it really sends a
message that not only are we fed up with what's
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going on in the government, but we are no longer
going to allow people who were holding folks back and
trying to restrict their rights were no longer giving them
a place to shine. I think the politics are important,
and I've got some ideas about how we could change
some of the things we're getting the ways things are
getting done in politics. I don't think you have to
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have to stand up for twenty five hours to make point, right.
But when we were first looking at this, I was like, biologically,
what's happening there? Because there are things we have talked
about in other episodes. I won't get into circadian rhythms
and what our bodies need and what kind of stress
we experience when we don't sleep, let alone stand and
speak coherently. You know, I was thinking, like, how did
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he not pee for that long? It's mind boggling. And
at the very end of his filibuster he was saying,
you know, nature is calling, and that would have happened
twenty five minutes twenty five minutes. I would have been like,
I need a restroom break, and everyone would have been
upset with me. Well, you would not have made it
into the history books now, and that's at your age.
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And Corey Booker is not a spring chicken. I'm not
saying he's all, but he's just not a young man.
Bladder discipline looks different over time. You know, I'm not
gonna be we won't get into it, but that's about
five hundred milliliters all have to be carrying over twenty
five hours. I don't resist, but I think my body
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would be resisting too. Whoa. I mean. I heard that
some folks that do these really long filibusters that they
use adult diapers, they dehydrate themselves, like get into a
steam room to like sweat out all the liquid. I
don't know what Corey Booker did to prepare. He said
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he dehydrated himself, and I don't know what his doctor
feels about that, but I'm sure he is making a
doctor's appointment very very soon. We're all proud of you,
Corey Booker, so proud, so proud, and of that bladder. Now,
Corey Booker is a politician making a stand. And now
we're seeing somebody who's made some political stands, kind of backtracking.
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Have you seen the latest Chapelone interview? Yes, Chaperone. She's
been doing podcasts and interviews with magazines and she's basically like,
leave me out of it. I'm just a pop star.
But then also we'll turn around and get up on
a stage to accept an award and say here's my
political thought. So I'm not really sure how you can
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do both. But she got a lot of backlash from
a recent interview that she did on Call Her Daddy,
And in that interview, she talked about being a parent,
and she said, all of my friends who have kids
are in hell, and I actually don't know anyone who's
happy and has children at this age. I've literally not
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met anyone who's happy, anyone who has light in their eyes,
anyone who has slept. And it started this whole big
thing on the internet because some people were feeling a
little bit triggered by these statements and really upset about
what she was saying, like, oh, it's not possible to
be happy if you have kids. But then on the
flip side, some folks felt like, you know, maybe there's
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a little bit of truth, and she's saying the quiet
part out loud. Well, I'm not a parent, so I
look to you, neighbor. Did she lie? She did not lie? Okay,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay. I think two things can
be true at the same time. You can absolutely love
and adore your kids. You can love being a parent, right,
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then you can also be tired as hell, like you
can be just wrecked because of what it takes to
be a parent. You've seen Tyson in the background of
my videos. That little boy is always on go and
he does not care if I'm tired. That's right, because
he's his mama's son. Okay, that's what I know. That's
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what I know. Oh my goodness. But you know what,
this also makes me think of what last year the
former US Surgeon General, THEVEC Murphy, he came out with
a health advisory about how being a parent can affect
your mental health. I believe it just being alive can
affect your mental health, right, taking care of somebody else
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on top, right, because and it wasn't just parents like
you're saying, it's also caregivers. And in this study, it
highlighted that stress levels for parents were really high compared
to adults who don't have children, So high for parents
and caregivers compared to adults that don't have children. So
they said that thirty three percent of parents reported high
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stress levels in a month, compared to twenty percent of adults. Additionally,
forty eight percent of parents felt overwhelmingly stressed most days
versus twenty six percent of other adults that don't have kids.
I mean, I just think anybody that's taking care of
themselves and somebody else any kind of responsibility, that is
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a lot to keep up with, because not only are
you looking at what's happening in the world, but what's
happening with my child or loved one right now? What
does this mean for their future? Even thinking about the
economy and the financial strength, time constraints, like all of it.
You know, our parents didn't have to worry about all
this technology, right social media? What are they doing on
(08:05):
the computer? I was playing Maybus Beacon teachers typing. Although
we were doing a little, I was doing too much
on Black Planet. I I was coding on Black Planet. Honey,
HTML was hex cos you didn't tell me you Matrix.
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It was so much fun. I was in all these
Nickelodeon chat rooms talking about rug Rats and stuff like that.
It was fun, and yeah, that was fun. Internet Now
you got to worry about if somebody's activating your child's
webcam in their bedrooms or whatever else. And you also
have to worry just about the peer pressure and the
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pressure to keep up with other people who are showing
only the best parts of themselves. These are things that
adults fall victim too. But now kids have social media,
they have the ability to be on social media, so
that's also something you have to think about. And then
on top of all that, you have to be able
to future cast but then also be present in your child,
like do you know what I mean? Like you have
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to be present, but you also have to think of
the future. And the fact that the former US Surgeon
General had to put out a health advisory about this
as a real health concern, let you know that this
is a real talk. And some of the recommendations that
he had was that policymakers should be putting things in
place to have family support programs and implement national paid
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family leave and medical leave, and also to have more
community so encouraging parents and caregivers to band together use
the village mentality to help them with raising their child
or caring for a loved one and really lean into
that to help alleviate some of this stress. You know. Basically,
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the Surgeon General said, you should let me help you
raise your child, basically. And I think the Surgeon General
is making some great points, but I do have to say, now,
this doesn't feel like the same Surgeon General growing up, Okay,
because they're talking about village mentality and you know, stress
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and overload. I feel like the Surgeon General's recommendations back
then were like don't smoke tobacco or cigarettes, and don't drink,
but only don't drink if you're pregnant, right, everybody else
have a drink, Okay, wacky Tobacci. We are old enough
to remember when secondhand smoke became like a thing where
they were like, oh, you know, secondhand smoke can also
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be a problem. I'm like, this is crazy. Now it's
like mental health and all these things like that, and
I'm just like, this is so good. I'm so glad
that these resources are available to fun. Yeah. Yeah, because
even before I think just two years back, the Surgeon
General was talking about friendship and loneliness, like being able
to get with men. Yes, yes, and so I mean,
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thank you to the Surgeon General. But also I've had enough,
Like you're putting too much on my plate. You know,
I'm dealing with Okay, So I'm trying to exercise, I'm
trying to eat right. I'm trying to uh have a
village mentality because I don't care what anybody says. If
you're an only child and your parents are still around,
you are a caregiver. And so I'm feeling those same stresses.
It's just like having a toddler. Don't let my parents here.
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I do think that, like there's all this stuff going on.
And then also I gotta remember take my Zyrtec every
day because the pollen, the polling, help me, it's every
con it's too much. I was at Low's the other
day trying to get the highest parts per million filter
I could find. I said, make it enough, please? Did
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you find it? It's I bought the best one money
could buy. Okayerfect, I'm so happy for you, friend. I
got to remember to change my air filters. I mean,
it's like you can't escape it. The itchy eyes, the
running nose. I've been using my inhaler because my asthma
has been getting tripped up because of all the pollen.
I have my allergy medication on deck. I feel like
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I have to take it every day just to survive.
My combo is a Zertec first thing in the morning, okay,
because if I press snooze on my alarm, my throat,
sorry chip, It's like the pollen is your alarm clock. Yes,
get up and take a peal and then I'm doing
naser cord. Okay, Like those are my things. But I
know a lot of people are taking allergy medicine right
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now because there's just so much pollen. And I think
I sent you something about that pollen cloud. Yes, that
was where people are showing all that pollen everywhere. It's
like a Pallen tornado. It's crazy. But I got some
bad news, well not bad, but something to just be
thinking about. Oh no, there were some recent studies that
looked at whether certain types of allergy medicines, particularly diaphen
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hydromenes like benadryl, whether they might be linked to a
higher risk of developing dementia later on. Wow, So they're
looking at first generation antihistamines and they're saying Okay. The
reason this might be happening, or the reason we might
even see this type of effect at all, is because
first generation allergy medicines they block acetylcholine, and that's something
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that's a chemical in the brain that's super important for
memory and learning. Now, I gotta be careful there, because
these meds and the use of these well not even
just these myths. The use of these meds are associated
with dementia, but that does not mean that they cause it.
And I feel like that's something that we often see
getting overlooked or misconstrued, and so when people share stories,
they tend to miss this. I want to make sure
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we say very clearly, correlation does not equal causation. So
when we say there's a correlation, and you know that
means two things are happening together more often than we
expect by chance, there's a strong correlation between eatn ice
cream and getting unburnt, Okay, that doesn't mean ice cream
causes sun burned, right, That's we don't have the causation there.
Like the real factor there is the summertime baby, Okay.
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And so I think they're still trying to figure out
what the allergy is and dementia correlation. They're trying to
figure out, you know, what's what's tying that the good news?
Though you're giving me good news, there's there are plenty
of second generation antihistamines that you know, don't easily cross
the blood brain barrier and don't work against the cetocline,
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so they have fewer side effects. Like my girls are tech.
I am a clariton girl. Honey, mmm, see this. The's
got to stick together their tech for Zekiah. So that is,
it's not bad news unless you are taking a bit
of drill every night. And if you're I don't even
know how you're operating daily. Anyway, I'm so drowsy after honestly,
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I take a Beta jo, I'm asleep for the next week. Okay,
that stuff is strong. Out of office, I feel like
pollen is always my big allergy. But I also think
about people who are allergic to like animals, so like
pets and things like that. Yeah, I can't imagine being
allergic to pets. I mean, you know, I have my
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dog Daisy. Yes, she's getting old and stressing me out.
I could not handle more stress from that. You know,
I think maybe that's exactly what maybe that's the stress
you get is balanced out because you know, people are
saying it's good to have pets, like it's good for you,
good for you mentally. Absolutely, I've seen studies like that
that said that people who have pets, you know, have
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less stress, less anxiety, and there's even been a few
early studies that say that people with pets live longer.
Now that's an interesting case because my parents didn't let
me happen, and so you know, these parents are against us.
I will have to take that information back because I
didn't grow up with pets. Though you know, it makes
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me such a lover of all my friends pets like
your Chihuahwah Daisy. Yes, And I think at this big age,
the way that shows up my love for pets is
watching non stop had videos like I'm watching the poodles
with attitudes, the huskies that are growling in barker back.
Oh my girl. I love watching all the videos. And
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before you jump on me, I feel like Daisy has
personality just the first dog I knew that could make
the b sound. Excuse most dogs they woof and how
but they don't use their lips to make the meat.
And Daisy chim I know to do that, and I
feel like I have a lot in common with the
creators online, like Tony Baker and Super Ray fourteen. When
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they're doing those voiceovers, I'm like, yes, give me the
personality of these animals. What are they thinking? You know
what's going on? Do you not watch these people on it? No?
Not really No, I've seen a few of them, but
I don't really watch them consistently. Do you think? What
do you think? Days sounds like I have a voice
that I used to imitate Daisy. What's your voice for Daisy?
Because Daisy I know her so well. I know she's
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not smart, she has a whole backstory and everything. So
my Daisy voice I have to like close my eyes
because I can't even look at you and do it.
It's like DZ does like foods. DZI was in your
foods on used plate. GESZ doesn't want Diz's food. It's
not good. That's wild. First of all, Daisy Southern in
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my books. And maybe because I'm thinking about Daisy, Duke's Okay,
that's all wrong. I know that's your dogs, so you
can have your own voice, but I think it's wrong. Okay,
But all of these things like with these voiceovers, it
makes me wonder like do animals have feelings? Like are
we is it just anthropomorphism? Are we assigning these values?
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Or is there more than what we think is going on?
Like do they actually have feelings? And if they're using
those buttons, do they really know what's happening? Is it
because they're trying to tell us something? You know, when
I had Daisy, When I first got Daisy and I
was back in Durham and grad school with you, I
would leave her in my apartment to go to campus
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to educate myself, and I would get back and she
would flip her She would have flipped her water bowl
over and I would come back and see it in
waters everywhere. I got the message communication protest. I was like, hey,
you don't pay no bills here. I don't know. She
definitely got a personality. Daisy Dog and Corey Book are
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both taking a stand for rights. When I was thinking
about this, it sent me down this whole rabbit hole.
And I was reading this like editorial was a perspective
piece in science and it was called evaluating Animal Consciousness,
And they're basically saying that a lot of what we're
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doing to under we don't even have a real definition
for consciousness basically, And I said, the science is lagging, right,
that's wild. So they're saying conscious we should think of
consciousness as this continuum because so much of what we
do is basically inference. Like we're looking at what we
do as humans and we're saying, do these other animals
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do this? And not like what we call quote unquote
smart animals like dolphins and dogs and primates. But they're saying,
do we see other things we do like in other animals?
Is are they avoiding pain? And I'm like, there's more
to life than just avoiding pain. Are they choosing comfort?
You know, are tending to their wounds? But because there's
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no solid definition and most of the evidence that we
used to define consciousness is directly related to pain, I
think there's a lot more to explore there, right. Because
it was a philosophical study, so somebody was reading a
bunch of other articles. It wasn't experimental. But that made
me feel like, you know, Dacy turned that bowl over
for a reason. It wasn't an accident. It was not
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an accident. Oh, I mean when Tyson came around, there
was a clear shift in attitude. Daisy became the ultimate teenager. Mom,
leave me alone. You always just want to talk to
the baby. You're not talking to anybody, like, oh god, listen,
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I'm just saying the animals might have something to say,
and we need to be careful because there's something else
going on with the animals too. What now, This is
an update from my field, So a little bit spooky,
but a little bit fun. Okay, Okay. So there's this outfit.
They're called Colossal Biosciences. They're a company out of Texas,
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and they're basically doing some de extinction projects. It's a
extinction so things that have if we think of about
animals that have become extinct, put a d in the front,
take it away, bring it back in the Jurassic Park.
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So that's what they're doing. Well, they're starting out. They
were looking at the wooly mammoth and they were saying,
you know, when we look at genetic information, when we
even when we compare humans to other species, there's a
lot of core genetic information, but then there are some
things that are different, and what of those differences which
are responsible for the features that we say, hey, this
is what makes this species species a versus this species
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B and species B. And so they looked at the
wooly mammoth and they said, when we look at all
these things, there are a couple of genes that we
feel like are responsible for features that feel very key
to the wooly mammoth, like that really long coat and
having a lot of fat for I mean, the wily
mammoths was in very cold environment, so being able for
thermal insulation, yes, insulation, and for energy because fat storage,
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you know a way to burn keep that energy on.
And so they said, let's take those things that are
distinct to the wooly mammoth. Let's see if we can
put it on a mouse. And they did. They had
these mice at store fat in the way that wooly
mammoths do, and they had like a wooly coat, like
a wooly mammoth coat on a mouse. Isn't that crazy
They genetically engineered that. Let me tell you this, This
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doesn't feel correct. This really is making me nervous. It
sounds like Jurassic Park. When these little wooly mice rise
up and decide, stand on their hind left and decide
no more. They're in trouble. Like when it planted the apes,
when Caesar said, no, exactly, that was wild. Well, I
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hate to tell you that's just the tip of the
iceberg of the wooly mammoth iceberg, because what else did
they make wooly Well, it didn't make something those holies.
But the latest thing is somebody messaged me about this
and was like, did you see the dire wolf is
coming back? I said, I know you're not talking about
John Snow in the Game of Thrones. Turns out that
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same company took gray wolf cells and they modified about
twenty genes that are tied to key features of dire wolves, okay.
And to even get that, they have to collect ancient bones,
and so they were using ancient DNA technology to be
able to even assemble those genomes, figure out those important genes,
modify them. I'm here to tell you today that there
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are three wolves with the dire wolf DNA okay that
are alive right now, three hybrid gray wolf dire wolf creatures.
They're on a private facility that they say is over
two thousand acres and one of them is named Kalisi.
So you know they're watching Game of Thrones. They're playing
in our faces. Oh my goodness, Colossal Biosciences. Somebody needs
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to check on them over there, because this seems not okay.
Did they not watch Jurassic Park? I watched Jurassic Park,
and with everything I know, Colossal Biosciences invite me out.
I want to see I want to see what's going on.
DT won't come, but I will be their composition book
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in hand to take notes. Okay. And all of this
just makes me think about, like what happens next with
these animals that now have lives. I mean, are they mating?
Are they having babies? I mean, how does all of
this work? Are they able to like when they have
a baby, are they able to lactate to feed the baby?
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Or are they all just mixed up? I would assume.
I mean biologically, if you're a mammal, you have the
physiological thing, like the biological structures, like that's part of
being a mammal, having those glands to lack tape. That's
such a good point because most people with mammary glands
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and the right hormone levels can lactate. Yeah, and you
got a question about lactation, Yes, absolutely, So you don't
have to be a cis gendered woman to produce milk
postpartum due to some hormonal shifts with prolactin and oxytocin.
That's what makes people lactate, and you can induce those
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hormones even if you aren't pregnant. Isn't that wild? Yeah,
I mean that makes sense. Think about wet nurses from
back in the day. It's so true, and that means
that trans people are able to lactate, Folks that adopt
children are able to induce lactation. It's a really beautiful
thing because they're basically able to trick their bodies into
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believing that they just had a baby by pumping, and
their body just starts producing milk, which is amazing because
that means that you could have a baby, or you
cannot have a baby, physically give birth to a baby,
and still have the ability to do something that you know,
a lot of women really love doing when raising their children.
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The only thing I really know about lactation is that
there's some cookies for us, you know what, lactation cookies.
There's lactation drinks, teas, and I think there used to
be such I don't know if it still exists, but
I remember breastfeeding used to be such a thing. It
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was really being pushed, and then like people were saying
formula is bad, now people are saying formula is good.
You should, you know, now to have formula with probiotics
and probiotics in it. So it's like, yeah, I mean,
there are so many conflicting stories and people have very
strong feelings about one or the other. And I remember
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when I was pregnant and reading all these different things.
I had to just eventually stop reading everything because it
was stressing me out. And I'm sure I just was like,
you know, if I'm able to produce breast milk, wonderful.
If I'm not, that's okay too. But then it turned
out that, you know, not only did I produce breast milk,
I was an over supplier, Zakia. You remember being with
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me pumping and traveling, Yes, And it felt like I
had to pump all the time, and our freezer was
filled with milk and I was just miserable. And I
remember like seeing a lot of things when I was
pregnant that was you know, women who were struggling with lactation,
and I just felt bad because I was so miserable,
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and I didn't want to do it anymore. But I
eventually stopped, and I felt a little bit, well not
not even a little bit, a lot of shame because
I felt like, wow, you know you have the ability
to do this, and you're gonna stop doing it because
it's uncomfortable, it's painful, and basically I felt like I
couldn't leave my house because I have I felt like
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I had to pump all the time just to get
get the milk out, and it was just really hard.
But then I saw a meme not too long ago
that was basically just like if you don't lactate, if
you choose not to breastfeed, if you they basically were
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running through all these scenarios for why you would not
be breastfeeding your child, and they're said that basically all
of them are valid, and I was like, man, I
wish I would have seen this back then, because I
was crying big tears. Honey. It's just so much pressure
that they put on the child bearing parent, or like
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I'm just like, oh, it's too much, too much. It
is too much. Because I saw somebody recently where somebody
was like, I know you're not still breastfeeding because they
felt like the baby was too old. Everybody shut up,
you know, I know that's right with what other people
are doing with their bodies. Shut up. I feel like
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that's the that's the hugest thing. Hopefully we can, you know,
release ourselves from the burdens of other people's peering eyes
and sticking their noses in where they don't belong. This
feels like we've covered quite a few things and that's
not even our full grab bag, y'all. I know. Oh
my goodness, we talked about a lot. Let's run through
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it really quick so we can remind the people that
this wasn't just any old conversation. Well, you started at
the very top protecting our rights with Senator Corey Booker.
We followed that up with talking about parenting with Chapel
Romee's comments on parenting. Then we started talking about allergies
and how pollen is kicking our butts, and how there
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is a correlation between benadryl and dementia, but not causation,
not ouration, not causation, And then we moved right on
into some of the latest genetic engineering technology. Yes, Jurassic
Park is upon us. Everyone prepare yourselves. But even before
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we got to that we were evaluating animals consciousness. The
animals are everywhere and they have things to say. I
think yes. And then we started talking about lactation and
societal pressures that force you know, the lactating parent into
sometimes a depression. Yes, okay, talk about it. Well, hopefully
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You know, people are always saying, how do you and
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TT pick what you're gonna talk about on Dope Labs. Yeah,
I'm like, uh, that's not a problem. It is never
a problem for us. Yeah, there's so much to talk about, yeah,
all the time. I mean, as much news as there's
coming in. We always come with topics, and you guys
are sending stuff in our dms, in our emails, some
of y'all are responding to the newsletter. Yes, that's my
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favorite when people respond to the newsletter. Yes, but some
of the topics are really really good, but we don't
have time to get to them, or they're not big
enough to put in a full episode, or we can't
find a scientist into for like when it's relevant, you know,
and then to get the episode produced before we're on
to the next thing. That's straight. That's right, Well, guess what.
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Now we're gonna just address everything we've been wanting to
talk about, even if we want to talk about it
just a little bit. Yes, a grab bag if you will.
Uh huh. Let's start with the first thing that we
got a message about, and that was the filibuster. Oh
my gosh. Okay, So Senator Corey Booker recently made history.
He shattered the record that stood since nineteen fifty seven
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by doing a filibuster for twenty five hours straight on
the Senate floor, no breaks, no naps, no bathroom breaks.
Isn't that crazy? I'm not that committed. I mean, in
my spirit, I feel that I committed my spirit. Yes,
when it's time to do it, I don't think I'm
able to do it before him. The last person to
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have a really long filibuster, So, the last person to
hold the record was Strom Thurman with twenty four hours
back in nineteen fifty seven. And he was trying to
block the Civil Rights Act back in nineteen fifty seven.
For his twenty four hour filibuster. Yeah, so what Senator
Corey Booker did is historic, and it's historic for I
think two big reasons. One, he was talking about these
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really controversial executive orders that have been coming out rapid fire.
And I think that the other really important thing is
to dethrone someone like Strom Thurman who was doing a
filibuster to block civil rights and having a black man
stand up there and do it, it really sends a
message that not only are we fed up with what's
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going on in the government, but we are no longer
going to allow people who were holding folks back and
trying to restrict their rights were no longer giving them
a place to shine. I think the politics are important,
and I've got some ideas about how we could change
some of the things we're getting the ways things are
getting done in politics. I don't think you have to
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have to stand up for twenty five hours to make point, right.
But when we were first looking at this, I was like, biologically,
what's happening there? Because there are things we have talked
about in other episodes. I won't get into circadian rhythms
and what our bodies need and what kind of stress
we experience when we don't sleep, let alone stand and
speak coherently. You know, I was thinking, like, how did
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he not pee for that long? It's mind boggling. And
at the very end of his filibuster he was saying,
you know, nature is calling, and that would have happened
twenty five minutes twenty five minutes. I would have been like,
I need a restroom break, and everyone would have been
upset with me. Well, you would not have made it
into the history books now, and that's at your age.
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And Corey Booker is not a spring chicken. I'm not
saying he's all, but he's just not a young man.
Bladder discipline looks different over time. You know, I'm not
gonna be we won't get into it, but that's about
five hundred milliliters all have to be carrying over twenty
five hours. I don't resist, but I think my body
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would be resisting too. Whoa. I mean. I heard that
some folks that do these really long filibusters that they
use adult diapers, they dehydrate themselves, like get into a
steam room to like sweat out all the liquid. I
don't know what Corey Booker did to prepare. He said
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he dehydrated himself, and I don't know what his doctor
feels about that, but I'm sure he is making a
doctor's appointment very very soon. We're all proud of you,
Corey Booker, so proud, so proud, and of that bladder. Now,
Corey Booker is a politician making a stand. And now
we're seeing somebody who's made some political stands, kind of backtracking.
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Have you seen the latest Chapelone interview? Yes, Chaperone. She's
been doing podcasts and interviews with magazines and she's basically like,
leave me out of it. I'm just a pop star.
But then also we'll turn around and get up on
a stage to accept an award and say here's my
political thought. So I'm not really sure how you can
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do both. But she got a lot of backlash from
a recent interview that she did on Call Her Daddy,
And in that interview, she talked about being a parent,
and she said, all of my friends who have kids
are in hell, and I actually don't know anyone who's
happy and has children at this age. I've literally not
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met anyone who's happy, anyone who has light in their eyes,
anyone who has slept. And it started this whole big
thing on the internet because some people were feeling a
little bit triggered by these statements and really upset about
what she was saying, like, oh, it's not possible to
be happy if you have kids. But then on the
flip side, some folks felt like, you know, maybe there's
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a little bit of truth, and she's saying the quiet
part out loud. Well, I'm not a parent, so I
look to you, neighbor. Did she lie? She did not lie? Okay,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay. I think two things can
be true at the same time. You can absolutely love
and adore your kids. You can love being a parent, right,
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then you can also be tired as hell, like you
can be just wrecked because of what it takes to
be a parent. You've seen Tyson in the background of
my videos. That little boy is always on go and
he does not care if I'm tired. That's right, because
he's his mama's son. Okay, that's what I know. That's
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what I know. Oh my goodness. But you know what,
this also makes me think of what last year the
former US Surgeon General, THEVEC Murphy, he came out with
a health advisory about how being a parent can affect
your mental health. I believe it just being alive can
affect your mental health, right, taking care of somebody else
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on top, right, because and it wasn't just parents like
you're saying, it's also caregivers. And in this study, it
highlighted that stress levels for parents were really high compared
to adults who don't have children, So high for parents
and caregivers compared to adults that don't have children. So
they said that thirty three percent of parents reported high
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stress levels in a month, compared to twenty percent of adults. Additionally,
forty eight percent of parents felt overwhelmingly stressed most days
versus twenty six percent of other adults that don't have kids.
I mean, I just think anybody that's taking care of
themselves and somebody else any kind of responsibility, that is
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a lot to keep up with, because not only are
you looking at what's happening in the world, but what's
happening with my child or loved one right now? What
does this mean for their future? Even thinking about the
economy and the financial strength, time constraints, like all of it.
You know, our parents didn't have to worry about all
this technology, right social media? What are they doing on
(08:05):
the computer? I was playing Maybus Beacon teachers typing. Although
we were doing a little, I was doing too much
on Black Planet. I I was coding on Black Planet. Honey,
HTML was hex cos you didn't tell me you Matrix.
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It was so much fun. I was in all these
Nickelodeon chat rooms talking about rug Rats and stuff like that.
It was fun, and yeah, that was fun. Internet Now
you got to worry about if somebody's activating your child's
webcam in their bedrooms or whatever else. And you also
have to worry just about the peer pressure and the
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pressure to keep up with other people who are showing
only the best parts of themselves. These are things that
adults fall victim too. But now kids have social media,
they have the ability to be on social media, so
that's also something you have to think about. And then
on top of all that, you have to be able
to future cast but then also be present in your child,
like do you know what I mean? Like you have
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to be present, but you also have to think of
the future. And the fact that the former US Surgeon
General had to put out a health advisory about this
as a real health concern, let you know that this
is a real talk. And some of the recommendations that
he had was that policymakers should be putting things in
place to have family support programs and implement national paid
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family leave and medical leave, and also to have more
community so encouraging parents and caregivers to band together use
the village mentality to help them with raising their child
or caring for a loved one and really lean into
that to help alleviate some of this stress. You know. Basically,
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the Surgeon General said, you should let me help you
raise your child, basically. And I think the Surgeon General
is making some great points, but I do have to say, now,
this doesn't feel like the same Surgeon General growing up, Okay,
because they're talking about village mentality and you know, stress
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and overload. I feel like the Surgeon General's recommendations back
then were like don't smoke tobacco or cigarettes, and don't drink,
but only don't drink if you're pregnant, right, everybody else
have a drink, Okay, wacky Tobacci. We are old enough
to remember when secondhand smoke became like a thing where
they were like, oh, you know, secondhand smoke can also
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be a problem. I'm like, this is crazy. Now it's
like mental health and all these things like that, and
I'm just like, this is so good. I'm so glad
that these resources are available to fun. Yeah. Yeah, because
even before I think just two years back, the Surgeon
General was talking about friendship and loneliness, like being able
to get with men. Yes, yes, and so I mean,
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thank you to the Surgeon General. But also I've had enough,
Like you're putting too much on my plate. You know,
I'm dealing with Okay, So I'm trying to exercise, I'm
trying to eat right. I'm trying to uh have a
village mentality because I don't care what anybody says. If
you're an only child and your parents are still around,
you are a caregiver. And so I'm feeling those same stresses.
It's just like having a toddler. Don't let my parents here.
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I do think that, like there's all this stuff going on.
And then also I gotta remember take my Zyrtec every
day because the pollen, the polling, help me, it's every
con it's too much. I was at Low's the other
day trying to get the highest parts per million filter
I could find. I said, make it enough, please? Did
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you find it? It's I bought the best one money
could buy. Okayerfect, I'm so happy for you, friend. I
got to remember to change my air filters. I mean,
it's like you can't escape it. The itchy eyes, the
running nose. I've been using my inhaler because my asthma
has been getting tripped up because of all the pollen.
I have my allergy medication on deck. I feel like
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I have to take it every day just to survive.
My combo is a Zertec first thing in the morning, okay,
because if I press snooze on my alarm, my throat,
sorry chip, It's like the pollen is your alarm clock. Yes,
get up and take a peal and then I'm doing
naser cord. Okay, Like those are my things. But I
know a lot of people are taking allergy medicine right
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now because there's just so much pollen. And I think
I sent you something about that pollen cloud. Yes, that
was where people are showing all that pollen everywhere. It's
like a Pallen tornado. It's crazy. But I got some
bad news, well not bad, but something to just be
thinking about. Oh no, there were some recent studies that
looked at whether certain types of allergy medicines, particularly diaphen
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hydromenes like benadryl, whether they might be linked to a
higher risk of developing dementia later on. Wow, So they're
looking at first generation antihistamines and they're saying Okay. The
reason this might be happening, or the reason we might
even see this type of effect at all, is because
first generation allergy medicines they block acetylcholine, and that's something
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that's a chemical in the brain that's super important for
memory and learning. Now, I gotta be careful there, because
these meds and the use of these well not even
just these myths. The use of these meds are associated
with dementia, but that does not mean that they cause it.
And I feel like that's something that we often see
getting overlooked or misconstrued, and so when people share stories,
they tend to miss this. I want to make sure
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we say very clearly, correlation does not equal causation. So
when we say there's a correlation, and you know that
means two things are happening together more often than we
expect by chance, there's a strong correlation between eatn ice
cream and getting unburnt, Okay, that doesn't mean ice cream
causes sun burned, right, That's we don't have the causation there.
Like the real factor there is the summertime baby, Okay.
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And so I think they're still trying to figure out
what the allergy is and dementia correlation. They're trying to
figure out, you know, what's what's tying that the good news?
Though you're giving me good news, there's there are plenty
of second generation antihistamines that you know, don't easily cross
the blood brain barrier and don't work against the cetocline,
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so they have fewer side effects. Like my girls are tech.
I am a clariton girl. Honey, mmm, see this. The's
got to stick together their tech for Zekiah. So that is,
it's not bad news unless you are taking a bit
of drill every night. And if you're I don't even
know how you're operating daily. Anyway, I'm so drowsy after honestly,
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I take a Beta jo, I'm asleep for the next week. Okay,
that stuff is strong. Out of office, I feel like
pollen is always my big allergy. But I also think
about people who are allergic to like animals, so like
pets and things like that. Yeah, I can't imagine being
allergic to pets. I mean, you know, I have my
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dog Daisy. Yes, she's getting old and stressing me out.
I could not handle more stress from that. You know,
I think maybe that's exactly what maybe that's the stress
you get is balanced out because you know, people are
saying it's good to have pets, like it's good for you,
good for you mentally. Absolutely, I've seen studies like that
that said that people who have pets, you know, have
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less stress, less anxiety, and there's even been a few
early studies that say that people with pets live longer.
Now that's an interesting case because my parents didn't let
me happen, and so you know, these parents are against us.
I will have to take that information back because I
didn't grow up with pets. Though you know, it makes
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me such a lover of all my friends pets like
your Chihuahwah Daisy. Yes, And I think at this big age,
the way that shows up my love for pets is
watching non stop had videos like I'm watching the poodles
with attitudes, the huskies that are growling in barker back.
Oh my girl. I love watching all the videos. And
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before you jump on me, I feel like Daisy has
personality just the first dog I knew that could make
the b sound. Excuse most dogs they woof and how
but they don't use their lips to make the meat.
And Daisy chim I know to do that, and I
feel like I have a lot in common with the
creators online, like Tony Baker and Super Ray fourteen. When
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they're doing those voiceovers, I'm like, yes, give me the
personality of these animals. What are they thinking? You know
what's going on? Do you not watch these people on it? No?
Not really No, I've seen a few of them, but
I don't really watch them consistently. Do you think? What
do you think? Days sounds like I have a voice
that I used to imitate Daisy. What's your voice for Daisy?
Because Daisy I know her so well. I know she's
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not smart, she has a whole backstory and everything. So
my Daisy voice I have to like close my eyes
because I can't even look at you and do it.
It's like DZ does like foods. DZI was in your
foods on used plate. GESZ doesn't want Diz's food. It's
not good. That's wild. First of all, Daisy Southern in
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my books. And maybe because I'm thinking about Daisy, Duke's Okay,
that's all wrong. I know that's your dogs, so you
can have your own voice, but I think it's wrong. Okay,
But all of these things like with these voiceovers, it
makes me wonder like do animals have feelings? Like are
we is it just anthropomorphism? Are we assigning these values?
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Or is there more than what we think is going on?
Like do they actually have feelings? And if they're using
those buttons, do they really know what's happening? Is it
because they're trying to tell us something? You know, when
I had Daisy, When I first got Daisy and I
was back in Durham and grad school with you, I
would leave her in my apartment to go to campus
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to educate myself, and I would get back and she
would flip her She would have flipped her water bowl
over and I would come back and see it in
waters everywhere. I got the message communication protest. I was like, hey,
you don't pay no bills here. I don't know. She
definitely got a personality. Daisy Dog and Corey Book are
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both taking a stand for rights. When I was thinking
about this, it sent me down this whole rabbit hole.
And I was reading this like editorial was a perspective
piece in science and it was called evaluating Animal Consciousness,
And they're basically saying that a lot of what we're
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doing to under we don't even have a real definition
for consciousness basically, And I said, the science is lagging, right,
that's wild. So they're saying conscious we should think of
consciousness as this continuum because so much of what we
do is basically inference. Like we're looking at what we
do as humans and we're saying, do these other animals
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do this? And not like what we call quote unquote
smart animals like dolphins and dogs and primates. But they're saying,
do we see other things we do like in other animals?
Is are they avoiding pain? And I'm like, there's more
to life than just avoiding pain. Are they choosing comfort?
You know, are tending to their wounds? But because there's
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no solid definition and most of the evidence that we
used to define consciousness is directly related to pain, I
think there's a lot more to explore there, right. Because
it was a philosophical study, so somebody was reading a
bunch of other articles. It wasn't experimental. But that made
me feel like, you know, Dacy turned that bowl over
for a reason. It wasn't an accident. It was not
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an accident. Oh, I mean when Tyson came around, there
was a clear shift in attitude. Daisy became the ultimate teenager. Mom,
leave me alone. You always just want to talk to
the baby. You're not talking to anybody, like, oh god, listen,
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I'm just saying the animals might have something to say,
and we need to be careful because there's something else
going on with the animals too. What now, This is
an update from my field, So a little bit spooky,
but a little bit fun. Okay, Okay. So there's this outfit.
They're called Colossal Biosciences. They're a company out of Texas,
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and they're basically doing some de extinction projects. It's a
extinction so things that have if we think of about
animals that have become extinct, put a d in the front,
take it away, bring it back in the Jurassic Park.
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So that's what they're doing. Well, they're starting out. They
were looking at the wooly mammoth and they were saying,
you know, when we look at genetic information, when we
even when we compare humans to other species, there's a
lot of core genetic information, but then there are some
things that are different, and what of those differences which
are responsible for the features that we say, hey, this
is what makes this species species a versus this species
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B and species B. And so they looked at the
wooly mammoth and they said, when we look at all
these things, there are a couple of genes that we
feel like are responsible for features that feel very key
to the wooly mammoth, like that really long coat and
having a lot of fat for I mean, the wily
mammoths was in very cold environment, so being able for
thermal insulation, yes, insulation, and for energy because fat storage,
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you know a way to burn keep that energy on.
And so they said, let's take those things that are
distinct to the wooly mammoth. Let's see if we can
put it on a mouse. And they did. They had
these mice at store fat in the way that wooly
mammoths do, and they had like a wooly coat, like
a wooly mammoth coat on a mouse. Isn't that crazy
They genetically engineered that. Let me tell you this, This
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doesn't feel correct. This really is making me nervous. It
sounds like Jurassic Park. When these little wooly mice rise
up and decide, stand on their hind left and decide
no more. They're in trouble. Like when it planted the apes,
when Caesar said, no, exactly, that was wild. Well, I
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hate to tell you that's just the tip of the
iceberg of the wooly mammoth iceberg, because what else did
they make wooly Well, it didn't make something those holies.
But the latest thing is somebody messaged me about this
and was like, did you see the dire wolf is
coming back? I said, I know you're not talking about
John Snow in the Game of Thrones. Turns out that
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same company took gray wolf cells and they modified about
twenty genes that are tied to key features of dire wolves, okay.
And to even get that, they have to collect ancient bones,
and so they were using ancient DNA technology to be
able to even assemble those genomes, figure out those important genes,
modify them. I'm here to tell you today that there
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are three wolves with the dire wolf DNA okay that
are alive right now, three hybrid gray wolf dire wolf creatures.
They're on a private facility that they say is over
two thousand acres and one of them is named Kalisi.
So you know they're watching Game of Thrones. They're playing
in our faces. Oh my goodness, Colossal Biosciences. Somebody needs
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to check on them over there, because this seems not okay.
Did they not watch Jurassic Park? I watched Jurassic Park,
and with everything I know, Colossal Biosciences invite me out.
I want to see I want to see what's going on.
DT won't come, but I will be their composition book
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in hand to take notes. Okay. And all of this
just makes me think about, like what happens next with
these animals that now have lives. I mean, are they mating?
Are they having babies? I mean, how does all of
this work? Are they able to like when they have
a baby, are they able to lactate to feed the baby?
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Or are they all just mixed up? I would assume.
I mean biologically, if you're a mammal, you have the
physiological thing, like the biological structures, like that's part of
being a mammal, having those glands to lack tape. That's
such a good point because most people with mammary glands
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and the right hormone levels can lactate. Yeah, and you
got a question about lactation, Yes, absolutely, So you don't
have to be a cis gendered woman to produce milk
postpartum due to some hormonal shifts with prolactin and oxytocin.
That's what makes people lactate, and you can induce those
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hormones even if you aren't pregnant. Isn't that wild? Yeah,
I mean that makes sense. Think about wet nurses from
back in the day. It's so true, and that means
that trans people are able to lactate, Folks that adopt
children are able to induce lactation. It's a really beautiful
thing because they're basically able to trick their bodies into
(25:39):
believing that they just had a baby by pumping, and
their body just starts producing milk, which is amazing because
that means that you could have a baby, or you
cannot have a baby, physically give birth to a baby,
and still have the ability to do something that you know,
a lot of women really love doing when raising their children.
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The only thing I really know about lactation is that
there's some cookies for us, you know what, lactation cookies.
There's lactation drinks, teas, and I think there used to
be such I don't know if it still exists, but
I remember breastfeeding used to be such a thing. It
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was really being pushed, and then like people were saying
formula is bad, now people are saying formula is good.
You should, you know, now to have formula with probiotics
and probiotics in it. So it's like, yeah, I mean,
there are so many conflicting stories and people have very
strong feelings about one or the other. And I remember
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when I was pregnant and reading all these different things.
I had to just eventually stop reading everything because it
was stressing me out. And I'm sure I just was like,
you know, if I'm able to produce breast milk, wonderful.
If I'm not, that's okay too. But then it turned
out that, you know, not only did I produce breast milk,
I was an over supplier, Zakia. You remember being with
(27:08):
me pumping and traveling, Yes, And it felt like I
had to pump all the time, and our freezer was
filled with milk and I was just miserable. And I
remember like seeing a lot of things when I was
pregnant that was you know, women who were struggling with lactation,
and I just felt bad because I was so miserable,
(27:29):
and I didn't want to do it anymore. But I
eventually stopped, and I felt a little bit, well not
not even a little bit, a lot of shame because
I felt like, wow, you know you have the ability
to do this, and you're gonna stop doing it because
it's uncomfortable, it's painful, and basically I felt like I
couldn't leave my house because I have I felt like
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I had to pump all the time just to get
get the milk out, and it was just really hard.
But then I saw a meme not too long ago
that was basically just like if you don't lactate, if
you choose not to breastfeed, if you they basically were
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running through all these scenarios for why you would not
be breastfeeding your child, and they're said that basically all
of them are valid, and I was like, man, I
wish I would have seen this back then, because I
was crying big tears. Honey. It's just so much pressure
that they put on the child bearing parent, or like
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I'm just like, oh, it's too much, too much. It
is too much. Because I saw somebody recently where somebody
was like, I know you're not still breastfeeding because they
felt like the baby was too old. Everybody shut up,
you know, I know that's right with what other people
are doing with their bodies. Shut up. I feel like
(28:53):
that's the that's the hugest thing. Hopefully we can, you know,
release ourselves from the burdens of other people's peering eyes
and sticking their noses in where they don't belong. This
feels like we've covered quite a few things and that's
not even our full grab bag, y'all. I know. Oh
my goodness, we talked about a lot. Let's run through
(29:15):
it really quick so we can remind the people that
this wasn't just any old conversation. Well, you started at
the very top protecting our rights with Senator Corey Booker.
We followed that up with talking about parenting with Chapel
Romee's comments on parenting. Then we started talking about allergies
and how pollen is kicking our butts, and how there
(29:37):
is a correlation between benadryl and dementia, but not causation,
not ouration, not causation, And then we moved right on
into some of the latest genetic engineering technology. Yes, Jurassic
Park is upon us. Everyone prepare yourselves. But even before
(29:58):
we got to that we were evaluating animals consciousness. The
animals are everywhere and they have things to say. I
think yes. And then we started talking about lactation and
societal pressures that force you know, the lactating parent into
sometimes a depression. Yes, okay, talk about it. Well, hopefully
(30:18):
we were able to shine a light on some of
the things. These are questions you all sent to us.
And if us talking about this brought up another question,
send it to we want to hear it. We're reading
all of your messages and that's how we built this episode.
And this is how means a kid talk to each
other on the phone. I fear like it is zig
(30:38):
zagging all types of different things, but it's always fun,
always a good time. Yeah, So just dial our number
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