Draft Season | Senior Bowl Preview

John Schmeelk and Tony Pauline talk to the Executive Director of the Reese’s Senior Bowl, Jim Nagy, about attending players at each position, the coaching staffs, and some new structure to the event. 00:00 - Start 00:10 - Constructing rosters 09:50 - Quarterbacks 15:07 - Running Backs 21:01 - Wide Receivers  25:22 - Tight Ends 28:57 - Offensive Line 35:16 - Defensive Line 40:53 - Linebackers 47:12 - Defensive Backs

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
No officially over. This is draft season. Hello everybody, and
welcome to the show. Tony Point as always is with us,
and now we're joined by the executive director of the
reason the Senior Bowl. He is Jim Naggy. Jim, how
are you man. It's good to see you. Good to
see you too, John. It's all brought to you by,

(00:23):
of course, Tommy. He'll figure a PVH brand, an official
partner of the New York Giants ghad Tone. Jim, pleasure
to be with you. And I gotta tell all my viewers,
Jim Naggy will always be my hero. And why because
back in January two thousand one, when the world was
locked down and here in the Northeast you basically needed
a permission step to walk off your all for your property.

(00:43):
Jim Naggy and his team at the Senior Bowl found
the way to basically get the Senior Bowl ron and
we got everything in Jim those three days when everything
was locked down in the NFL was in the process
of canceling the combine. We had all three days of practice,
we got to speak with the players, granted a distance
the game and off and really I think Jim Naggy
and his staff at the Senior Bowl showed the world,

(01:06):
you know, the way it could be done. And I
remember you putting out a tweet. I think you said
there was like COVID tests and it was just one positive. Yeah, Tony,
thanks for thanks for bringing up It was actually really
really proud of the team that year we had. I
think we had a really good plan. It was like tests. Um,

(01:27):
one player to put positive on the second day, he
was down here and that was it. Uh, No one
from the NFL, no one from our support staff. And
again we had to kind of strip everything away that
year and just do practices in the game, none of
the other stuff we'd like to do during Senior Bowl week.
But uh yeah, and that was, uh, you know, that
was a really good experience. I do remember though, like, um,

(01:48):
a week before the game, I looked at my wife
one night at home, We're having dinner. I'm like, what
did I do? Like what are we? What are we? Like?
This was starting to getting you know, it starts to
get real the closer you get, like through the all,
I'm like, we're having this, We're having this. We gotta
we got a good plan. And then you get like
a week out and you're like, oh my god, what
this could go so wrong? But thank god it didn't.

(02:10):
Really for those players, really, that whole year was about
the players and the teams. Like I just couldn't imagine
being in at the time, like like gentleman shoes, you know,
like being a GM and having to go through a
draft process where you didn't get any face to face
interaction with players Like I just I don't know how
they would have done that. So yeah, yeah, I feel
feel fortunate we we pulled it off that year, you know.

(02:31):
And when you talk about players, I look at this
year's roster and I find it very gratifying. I find
it gratifying because for two reasons. Number one, I see
a lot of guys listed at positions other than what
they played in college. I see a lot of two
pound college defensive bands all of a sudden listed at linebacker.
And the other thing that I absolutely love is there

(02:53):
are a lot of guys who are gonna beat the
senior ball, who were productive players for two and three
years in college, yet coming in in the season they
were dismissed or ignored by scouts. They're not talked about
in the draft Twit Twitter World and now they're gonna
be at the Senior Ball basically showing their wears at
the biggest scouting event prior to the draft. Uh yeah,

(03:15):
you know, Tony of the Keys, always getting the best
players down here. So like what you're saying with that
edge crew, Um, you know some of the guys like
the Will McDonald's, who's gonna be too forty ish, Andre
carter Um, some of those guys fall in that category.
We're just trying to bring the best players. You gotta
fit them somewhere. Um, and from a body type perspective,
they're they're really more outside linebackers than they are true
edge players until they put on fifteen or twenty pounds. So, um,

(03:38):
it's all about showcase and what they are as athletes.
I mean, that's what they can do in a scheme
that's that wasn't asked of them in college. I think
that's big thing for any All Star game is letting
guys show something maybe they weren't able to show in college.
And then, um, you know, everyone wants to see movement.
Evaluators want to see movement, So getting some of these
guys that have only been going forward with their whole
career and it of course we're gonna put him in

(04:01):
one on one pass for us, but to maybe see
him go backwards and take them to you know, see
him dropped. Um, see him run seams with tight ends. Um.
I think it's beneficial for everybody. Jim, thank you. I
gotta ask you. Was it more difficult to construct a
roster this year than in previous years? When you look
at the fact and I l so many seniors going

(04:23):
back for second senior seasons. I mean, the middle rounds
of this year's draft were basically gutted. Uh situations where
this year, especially in bowl games, we had so many
there were so many players who were late round even
free agent types sit the ball game out because they
want to prepare for the draft. Were in the past

(04:44):
it was basically maybe first or second round prospects who
would sit out the ball game. Did you find yourself
in a situation where maybe you had to fill a
roster spot two or three times because guys kept pulling out,
or guys that you wanted to decide, no, I'm not
gonna play in the senior ball this year, or going
back to school and the even well, it's a great question, Tony.
I'd say that the position that you felt that most

(05:06):
of his quarterback Um, when we started the year, I'm
kind of cheating on you. I'm looking over to our
board right now, and that quarterback stack was just it
was it was. It was so full. I mean there
was a there was a million of them. Um. And
just in particular our game, you got like Keith and
Slovis we offered an invite to not only did he
go back to school, he transfers, you know, from Pitt

(05:26):
to b y U. I mean that's that's kind of odd, right, um.
And then you can just go up and down the
list of these guys that are you know, the the
Devin Leary's, the Brennan Armstrong like guys that were projected,
you know, draft able quarterbacks going into the year for
whatever Sam Hartman for whatever reason, like maybe he didn't
have the years they wanted to have, and now they're
they're going back and they're transferring. I mean, it's gonna

(05:48):
be crazy next year trying to track all these guys.
I can't wait to get through this extra COVID year
stuff because that's what really complicates it. Um. I think
in the long run, the NFL I was gonna gona
be good for All Star Games because it will some
of these guys in school longer. Um. I think a
lot of guys in the past, you know, maybe prematurely
jumped to the pros because they had a financial need,

(06:08):
a family need that they need to needed to address
and felt like the NFL pat was the best path
to do it. Now with then I l money, maybe
they can you know, keep some things good on the
home front while they finished out their careers. So yeah,
I was definitely it was definitely a different year. Um.
One particular position, like you asked about his defensive line,
we lost three d linemen in one day, Uh baby,

(06:29):
and love it. The D tackle from Florida State went back,
and then uh, two Clemson guys, Ruka Roro and Tyler
Davis both decided to go back on the same day. So,
I mean, you've been around All Star landscapes. Man, You're
sitting there, you feel like you got your position, that
position groups in a good spot, and then immediately boom,
three interior guys go down and you're you're you're left

(06:50):
scrambling a little bit. Hey, the good news is that
they'll be back. I mean, they were going back to
school that they'll be seniors next year. So I I
think it's definitely gonna help you long term. Jim. I
think it will help you for sure. New way you
guys are doing the coaches this year, we don't just
have two staffs. You have a bunch of guys from
different teams coming together. Explain to us how that's gonna work, Jim.
You know practice structure, How has it been working assigning

(07:13):
players two different coaches and the rosters? How is this
whole new way of doing things really impacted your a
couple of weeks heading into the game. And how is
it gonna look differently when we're out there watching practice? Yeah,
it's uh. You know, when I got the call over
the summer about the coaching change, I'm not gonna lie
like I wasn't real happy at all. We've had the
same coaching format for seventy three years. Um, it's worked

(07:35):
really well. But the more we've gone through the fall
and the more I thought about it, I think I
think both setups are are good. Um, but I like
this year said we're gonna have sixteen teams represented behind
the scenes at three Senior Bowls, So and all those
teams are drafting in the top half of the draft,
so our players are gonna be exposed to that many
more UH coaches and and guys that are part of

(07:56):
the decision making crew. So, um, you know, from an
up I really it's it's created an extra work from
just from an operational standpoint, a logistics standpoint, You've got
thirty coaches coming in from sixteen different clubs. Um. Not
many people know this, but the NFL trainers pulled out
of all All Star Games last year, so they will
no longer cover. We're really lucky that we've got the

(08:17):
Andrews Institute with Dr James Andrews kind of right in
our backyard here in Pensacola, so they came on. We
have a partnership deal with the Andrews Institute to do
the training like our video stuff. Like it's usually turnkey
when you have the two coaches, they bring the entire operation,
they load up, they get on a charter, they come. Um,
you know, but this year, even with the video, we've
got video guys from the Box and the Jags and

(08:38):
the Titans all coming in separately. So there's just a
lot of balls in the year right now. So to
pull it all together really quick. We've we've done multiple
zoom calls with both coaching staffs kind of set the
expectation for the week, and now kind of letting those
head coaches Luke Getsy from the Bears their offensive coordinator,
and pet for Graham from the Raiders their defensive coordinator.
Guys that are kind of you know, I think Pat's

(08:59):
already some head coaching interviews. I think Luke's on the
cusp of doing that. But now it's them. I told
those guys, like, this is your show. Now we're gonna
be here to support you and do everything we can
as a senior Bowl staff to to set you up
for success during the week. But I do not want
to micromanage those head coaches. I want the practice script, everything, um,
the way they want to lay out the week to
be from them. I mean, because this is frankly a

(09:21):
great audition for the head coaches. It's a great audition
for these younger coaches that are getting you know, put
up a level of their cook coaching up if you will. Um.
So it's a big week for all those guys. I'm
actually you know, anytime you go through something the first time,
it's it can be. There's a little anxiety wrapped into that,
but I'm actually really excited to bring this group together.
We're gonna have a big dinner on Saturday night, but

(09:43):
the day the night before player arrival and gonna be
about forty of us. UM should be a really fun time, Tony,
Why don't you lead us off with a quarterback from
from maybe I think a school that everyone knows and
loves and it's just a powerhouse in the country. Yeah,
that would be Shepherd, right, Yeah, exactly. That can be
found someplace in the state of West Virginia. Yeah, I
mean Tyson Badgett. I mean a good story. I guess

(10:06):
father is a world champion arm wrestler. I mean the
only people who remember arm wrestling or those of us
who remember why the World of Sports when it was on.
But you know, you can't get a guy like Badgett,
who I believe this is his second senior season, could
have entered the draft last year, decides to go back
for another year, big strong arm guy. Accuracy or pass
placements a bit of a concern for me. What do

(10:28):
you think Badgett has to do see you all week
to really elevate his draft stock? Yeah, Tony, that's a
good question. I would say accuracy is one. But one
thing I do like Tony that he can layer the
football down the field. I mean, he does a really
nice job of that. Um. He kind of reminds me
of Romo when I did Romo coming out of Eastern
Illinois because he can't can't run around and make things happen.

(10:50):
All time record holder for touchdown passes at all levels
of college football. Like you said, he went back this
year and he actually jumped in the portal um and
had offers from West Virginia and Ireland, so he could
have he could have jumped up. I think, Uh, you know,
we we do the in person invites now with some
of the small school guys, and so I took the
trip to Shepherdstown, West Virginia, and Uh, he told me

(11:11):
he's like Jim. If I would have gott an offer
from one of the blue blood programs of a USC
and Notre Dame, I think those are two of the
schools he mentioned. Um, he might have left, but when
he didn't get those, he decided to run it back
with his teammates and try to win a national title.
And unfortunately they they fell a game short. Um, they
lost in the Semis. But you know Tyson six three
six o three one, he's two hundred twenty pounds. Um,

(11:34):
you know any throw I saw him at the Manning camp.
I spent a few days at the Manning camp with him,
and UM, he definitely throws it good enough, there's no
question about arm strength. So, UM, it'll be a big week.
You know that there hasn't been a D two quarterback
drafted since ninety nine. I believe it is the year. Um,
Chris Greson I think was the last D two guy taken. Um.
You know, but we don't invite anyone of the Senior Bowl.
We don't think it's gonna get drafted. It doesn't always

(11:55):
work out that way. Um. But I wouldn't have invited
him if I didn't, if we didn't see a draftable player,
and if really the overwhelming support of the league was
that he wasn't gonna be drafted. And and we do.
We do these posts over the summer on our social media,
the Small School Saturday post kind of trying to profile
some of the FCS guys and lower and the one
week in June when I when I put Tyson on

(12:15):
there within an hour, I had four or five buddies
from the NFL text me like, hey, man, that's that's
my guy. Keep you know, keeping quiet, and uh, you know,
some guys thought he could be like this year's Bailey's Appy.
Was what a couple other guys thought. So more than
one guy shot me back that this guy could be
this year's Appy. So excited to get Tyson down here.
And you guys brought up his dad Ministad a couple

(12:37):
of times, and and you will probably meet him if
you're down here in Mobile. Like he's the type of
guy like he's gonna meet everybody. He's got a huge personality.
Great dude, I can't wait to get him down here.
So um, I will not arm wrestle him, but it's
gonna be good. It's gonna be good to have him
in Mobile one day. I want to jump to him.
If you can just explain when you say he layers
the football, just when the people watching just explain what

(12:59):
that means. He's actlee. Yeah, he just he has a
really nice feel for a trajectory to different levels because
you can't throw, you know, you gotta throw at different
trajectory points at different levels of the field. And he's
got a really nice feel for throwing over coverage, I
guess is the best way of of saying that. Um,
that's that's sometimes that that's hard to learn, you know,
So that's to me, to me, that's a little bit

(13:19):
of an innate quality at the position. Um, he does
a nice job of that. All right. I want to
jump over to Clayton Tune out of Houston Gym. But
I told about a gun slinger. This guy just throws
the ball down the field. You want some vertical throws,
go watch Clayton Tune tape because it's going down the field.
He's gonna be fun. And I think, you know, maybe

(13:39):
just consistent accuracy is what team is gonna be looking
for for him. What are the things you're excited to
see about Tune when you get him into these one
on ones on on the practice fielding into game situations. Yeah, big, big, big,
good looking kid. Um. He he was the first guy
that came up to me at the at the manning
camp to day. I got there and uh came right
up like usually I go up to the players, but
he came up and produced himself, had a lot of

(14:01):
presents to him. So just that one exposure alone. I
think he's gonna do really well in the interviews. Um,
but good looking guy can throw it. Like you said,
I think you know, little streakiness. I think there's some
streakiness to his game. But he's gonna be down here
with tank deal, really good receiver, really explosive, dynamic slot
receiver returner. So at least in one on one who
have chemistry with one guy in seven on sevens. But

(14:24):
you know what I do like about Clayton a lot,
And I've said this repeatedly, like he's got that clutch.
He's got that clutch ability. Um. When when plays need
to be made, he can make him when he when
a drive, when he needs to make a drive, he
can make a drive. There are a number of games
like that this year where he where he can bring
a team back. Um, our scout Walter Julife, who did
who did Texas for us this year? Long time? You know,

(14:46):
forty year NFL scout? Um, nobody knows that part of
the country better than Walter. And I think the first
game he was at this year was the U T
s A game and Clayton led him down and led
him to the win. And UM, yeah, it's gonna be.
It's gonna be a fun week. I don't you know,
I don't how much Houston football some people in different
parts of the country see, but they're gonna be. This
guy's got a lot of tools. There's no doubt. We

(15:08):
moved to a different position now. You know. Josh Wiley
was a guy some people thought he was gonna enter
the two thousand two draft when he had that great
year for Cincinnati, had a foot injury and my incorrector
did I see that he's also listed as a fullback. Yeah,
we didn't bring a true fullback this year, Tony. We
had Hunter Lipkey on the from North Dakota State on
the roster. He was really the only one we thought

(15:29):
was draftable, um in this year's class at least slam
dunk draftable. I mean, there's some other guys in the
fringes that that could, but we thought Hunter was a lock.
We had Hunter in the fourth round, um, and then
he had an injury literally like the week after we
went up to Fargo and give him that invite, which
is really unfortunate. But uh, but but no, So we're
gonna address that position with tight ends, which we've done

(15:50):
in the past with a There's been a number of
those guys. Uh, Josiah Duboi off from Cincinnati when the
third Degreen Bay, he was, he was a tight end.
Trayvon Westco from US Virginia went to the Jets in
the fourth round. He was, he was, he was, he
was a tight end. So there's been a number of
those guys. So yeah, while you'll play it. And you
said he talked about coming out last year and it

(16:10):
was the foot he got he got hurt in the
ball game or he probably would have come out, and uh,
probably the best thing that he ended up coming back
because he was really he was slim he was then
last year. Um guy was in the like low two
thirties and his agent just sent me a picture him
on the scale the other days to nine right there
right now, So his body looks completely different. Um. Best

(16:31):
n I L story I heard all year. The agents
hooked him up with a food delivery and an ill
deal this year. So this guy, Josh just had food
coming at the at the doorstep every day and it
helped helped him gain weight. So, uh, he's gonna be
a guy that you know, he's gonna have a good
week here. I know that. But he's gonna have a
good combine. He's gonna jump in the upper thirties. He's
gonna be one of the best tested testers in this

(16:53):
tight end class. So um excited to get him down
here and and see what he can do. All right,
want to swap over the running backs here, Jim Spears.
You watched him, He's electric like he's he can you know,
move on to you know, change directions on the dime, acceleration,
all that stuff. Just five. I'm not sure what the
NFL now with you know, so many split backfield that

(17:14):
is that big of a deal. What are you hear
from scouts about Spears and and exactly how they think
he's gonna get used in in the NFL and what
they want to see from him at the Senior Bowl. Yeah,
really exciting player, fun, really fun gotta watch. I think, well,
you know, two lanes right down this, right down the
road from us a couple of hours in New Orleans,
easy drive. Uh. We at least had four or five
different staff members go over and check TJ out this year,

(17:37):
and and the staff there put him on our radar early.
He is a junior. Um, he's a guy that had
to graduate to to playing an All Star game, and
he took care of business. And favorite guy in the program. Um,
they love him, absolutely love this guy. That's why you
know they gave him the invite in the locker room
after the last regular season game because his parents were
at the game and they wanted to make that a

(17:57):
special moment. Um include his parents in that. But yeah,
great open What I love about him, Like you said that,
he can stop on a dime, can really make you miss,
and he's got a really good feel in the open field.
Like some of the open field runs this year are
some of the some of the coolest runs of the season.
I do think he's an NFL starter. Um is either
two plus pound guy that everyone is looking for. No,

(18:18):
but neither is Tony Pollard who we had in the
game a few years ago as well. Um, you know,
just if you are gonna be if you are going
to give up some you know, I'm gonna say this,
he's not Jamal Charles because Jamal I was. I was
in casey with Jamal and I just thought about that
because of like the open field stuff. Now, Jamal had
like world class speed, one of the fastest players I've
ever been around, he didn't have that. But when he

(18:39):
gets in the open field, just feel in pursuit, feeling leverage,
he's he's great at that. So I think he's the
third down, three down back. Like I said, I think
he's gonna be a starter. Yeah, at the easier starter.
You probably want to compliment, like a bigger back compliment
to him. Um, but you know, I don't. Again, I
don't know how many how many people out there watch
two lane football, the a C Conference just you know,

(19:00):
it's it's a group of five and and a lot
of college football fans focused on the on the Power five.
So um, this could be kind of the I think
the Cotton Bowl was the coming out party with his
five touchdowns. Yeah no, hopefully the Senior Bowl week week
will be a continuation of that. Talk about bigger backs
who are electric. Kenny Macintosh of Georgia who had some
had some magnificent runs the past two years. I think

(19:22):
if if there's a red flag is he's very streaky.
I mean at times, like to say, you know, at
times he looks like a world beating. Other times, you know,
he disappears, And I'm sure he's gonna be asked about that,
What do you think McIntosh has to show at the
Senior Bowl really to keep that that basically high draft
grade that scouts thought he was capable of. Yeah, he's

(19:46):
our he's our highest graded back. Um and he was
going all the way back to last spring and Tony,
I'm just glad we finally broke through in that Georgia
running back room. But that was a that's been a
tough nut to crack, you know what. I was still
with the Seahawks, But like when Sony and Nick came
out of their Senior Bowl, didn't get either of them.
Last year. We could have Zamir White was a junior grad.
We didn't get Zamere White. We had James Cook up

(20:07):
until about the week before the game and his agent
pulled him out. UM. So to finally get at Georgia back,
it's it's it's uh, it's exciting. We finally cracked that nut.
But he you know, he's an explosive back. He's a
three down back. I think we saw in that Ohio
State College the semifinal game, you know, and they just
threw that bubble out to him and and man it,
I mean his first step explosion for a big back

(20:29):
is pretty pretty cool. They throw it to him a
lot um Again, he's another guy I think projects as
an NFL starter, and I think with the streakiness you're
talking about it, they just use him a heavy rotation there.
You know, it's like they some guy gets hot and
they kind of beat him, and it depends on who
gets hot early in that offense. And uh, I think
that's a big reason why Kenny wanted to come here,

(20:49):
is to get a high volume of work during the
week and let the teams, let the team see him,
you know, just more reps. You know, even though he's
a four year player at Georgia UM. I feel like
Ken felt like there was more to prove. You want
jump to the wide receiver's your tone? Sure, small school guy,
Andrea you Scholvis from Princeton. Guy close to my heart

(21:10):
because he's great athlete. He's he's a kathlon decathlete. I
was actually decathlete for trained for the Olympics for ten years,
so I know I'm gonna have a lot to talk
to him about the track and field world. But I
mean a guy who you can see the athleticism on
the field. He's a little bit raw. I mean, I
got to imagine that, Uh, you know, three days of
practice scouts, you're gonna be really inspecting his route running,

(21:31):
his ability to separate through the routes, his balance, uh,
as well as his hands. You know, he's got the athleticism. Yeah, Tony,
that's a that's a really good point. Yeah, n C
double A heptathlon champions. So the guys, Yeah, I mean,
it's kind of a do it all athlete. And when
you talk about athletes, like, he's the kind of guy
that I think will look different in Thursday's practice than

(21:53):
Tuesdays because really high end athletes can apply coaching points
quicker than you know, average athletes. When you get a
guy with his athleticism, you get a couple of coaching
points in there that maybe he didn't get in college.
You can see adjustments made quicker. So I think Thursday
in the game could look could look better even than
than Tuesday and Wednesday. But he comes into the game
that most of the league has him in the fourth

(22:14):
and fifth round, which is exactly where they had Christian
Watson last year. I didn't talk to a single team
last year going into Senior Bowl week that had a
day two great on Christian and uh, you know, we
see what happened. He had a great week here. He runs,
you know, he runs his butt off at the combine
and he goes thirty fourth overall. So I don't want
to peg that on Andre. That's a massive jump, you know,
three or four round jump. But um, I do think

(22:35):
he can help himself significantly down here. You know, let's
let's go over to Rashie Rice at SMU. So productive nineties,
catches yards, bigger guys six three, and I'm looking forward
to the one on ones Jim to see how well
he can separate against maybe some of these quicker and
faster corners. Yeah, that's been Ah, you talk about a
room that has been good to us, unlike the Georgia

(22:56):
running back room that well, the skill group at SMU
over the years with like you know, Danny Gray and
Grant kelsa tera and and there's been a bunch of them.
I think we've had two or three tight ends and
two or three white outs James Prochet just in my
time here at the Senior Bowl. But yeah, Rashia is uh,
that's gonna be The question is like true top of
route separation ability, but a big, strong guy, good after

(23:17):
the catch, really good at the catchpoint. Um, he's one
of those guys that you just you can put the
ball up too, and you go up and get it.
I think we saw that in the Maryland game. There
was we had a scout at that Maryland game and
he he kept blowing me up. You know it. It
seemed like after everyone in Russi's catches, he was texting me,
I'm like another one, like let me just let me
let let's see the tape on Monday. Man, I get it,
he can catch. But no, he's fun to watch some

(23:40):
of that stuff. But you're right, You're right. I think
I think the focus is gonna be what what that
short area separation ability is gonna look like? Don't you
one hit Charlie Jones? Yeah, I mean Charlie Jones, the
guy who bounced around, finally found a home at Prugue,
had a great connection with Aidan O'Connell. You know, not

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a guy who say jumps off the film for me
as far as a great athlete the way you showed
us at Princeton does, but you know, just an outstanding
pass catch. It's great to see that he'll be competing
in the senior ball. Yeah, it's a it's a great
example of a guy. And there's a there's a few
guys in the game that that have this day on
Henley from Washington State, guys that really used the portal. Well,

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you know, he made a good decision. Obviously, it was
probably a no brainer for Charlie. I'm guessing since he
was he was buddies from a little league time with
Adan O'Connell um. But just talking to the Iowa staff
before the season started, you know, like talk to me
about about Charlie. I saw that he just you know
left and went to Burnue and they said he's probably,
along with Riley Moss, where the two fastest kids in

(24:44):
the Iowa program. So they think Charlie could run high
for threes. Um. If you look at Riley Moss's hundred
ten meter high hurdle time in five was tenth best
in the entire country his senior year. That's blazing. Like
I don't want to get up on a engine. But
the people that think that Riley Moss is a safety
because he's white, I mean, that's a pretty lazy, pretty

(25:06):
lazy thing. Riley's gonna Riley's gonna smoke and so it's Charlie.
Those guys can both really ron and super productive. I
mean he caught the ball really consistently, had a nice
chemistry with eight and and uh yeah, he's uh he's
a guy. Think he's gonna have a really good process. Jump.
I'll jump the tight ends right here, A quick Jim Musgrave.

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You know he didn't have a lot of production that year,
just played in two games because of an injury knee
and durilier in the year. But you watch him on tape.
He can move man like. He looks like a very
good athlete. And I think in the's one on one
drills this week he can really show up and do
a lot of damage. Yeah, if you if we wanted
to do like betting favorites of who's gonna make the
biggest jump for be the be a buzz guy coming
out of Senior Bowl week, Musgrave might be the odds

(25:48):
on favorite in my opinion. Only played a couple of
games this year because of injury. It's been rehabbing hard
to get back and get down here to mobile. Um,
so we're excited to get him, but you're at six
six to sixty. There's people up there at Oregon State
that think he could touch in the high four fours,
which if he does that, I mean, that's yeah, that's
that's pretty wild stuff. So I know that everyone's got

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Michael Mayer from Notre Dame peg just the number one
tight end in the draft, and he's a really good player.
Taking nothing away from him, I actually haven't studied him
whole ton because he wasn't eligible for Senior Bowl and
I don't have a lot of time to watch guys
that can't play in the game. But uh, but talking
to guys around the league, I think that that's more
of a that's that's more that that thing's up in
the air more than than you're seeing in the media

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right now. I think that Dalton Kincaid's in that mix too,
And unfortunately Dalton got hurt and he won't be able
to He got hurting, uh the last game, and he's
he might be out the whole process. Um, so we
don't know there, but I think Dalton Kinkaid and Muskrade
both are gonna give Michael Mayer from from Notre Dame
or run for his money by the time we get
to April. Talk about big athletes who can run and

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a position switch. Elijah Higgins, who was basically a receiver
at Stamford. Is I'm assuming he is listed as a
tight end for the See Your Bowl. I like that.
Who makes the transition from wide receiver to tight end?
Is he has to do a lot of in line blocking?
Is he is he gonna be a move tight end
or what? What are you looking for or what did

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they do as far as putting him in a position
to block? Yeah, he's he's gonna be a wide out Tony.
And again I know on the on the roster reveal
show on NFL Network, they they put him on with
the tight end graphic, and um, that was the type
of they shouldn't we had telled. Yeah, well we we
had a mix up there. But no, he'll be with

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the wide group and there's only three tight ends on
that group, so he might get a little working there
because we wanted we wanted to show the teams what
they want to see. And there are some teams going
through you know when we do our great sharing calls
with the teams and before we send invites out. I mean,
there were some teams that think he's got some h
abilities to miss because what he is is a big mismatch.
You're two hundred and thirty five pounds, um, and there's
some GPS stuff coming out of U c L or

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you know in the U c L A game last
year where you know he's sitting twenty two plus at
two hunter and thirty five pounds. So, uh, this guy
can really really run. And so yeah, will you play
him in the call him whatever you want to call him.
You're gonna move him around and try to get him
on linebackers and um so, but he's gonna be down
here in the wide he's gonna be in the wide
receiver room. But yeah, he might, you know, depending on

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what what the coaching staff wants to do on the
On the national side, Ronald Curry, the offensive coordinator, if
I were him, I'm moving around a little bit, but
you won't be doing you won't be seeing him in
any like inline blocking drills, um unless unless the coaching
staff surprises me. I don't. I don't think he'll be
doing any of that. Well, I mean, guy two thirty
five pounds, Like you say, you want to get him
on linebackers, but if he's playing safety, he's probably gonna

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have a difficult time separating. So uh, I mean tight
end made me in his future because he's probably gonna
get larger before he gets smaller at that age. Yeah, well,
he would have the speed factor over most safeties. There's
not too many safeties that are hitting twenty two on
a GPS. So if he's running verticals on safeties, um,
he's gonna blow by him. All right, let's do a

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couple of lines, don't go ahead? Yeah, and go to
the offensive line. Guys just wondering about their positions. Nick Broker,
who was a real good left tackle from Mississippi, was
kicked inside to guard this year. And then you got
Jalen Jalen Duncan from Maryland who was a terrific left
tackle for what three years now four years now with
the Terra Pins at left tackle, I mean maybe he

(29:20):
kicks inside as his own blocking guard. What did your
break down for those two guys? And what do you
think we're gonna see him Senior Bowl week? Yeah, Nick's
Nick Broker is gonna be more inside. You're right, he
was a left tackle. And now I'll give it to
the old miss staff. I saw Nick sec media days
this year and I said to him, like, now, you're
gonna be ready to move inside and play some guard

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during Senior Bowl week, right, and uh, he was like Jim,
they already moved me. So he uh, you know, his
arms his arms met it got measured a little shorter
than I think they're you know, thirty two and a
half or just under thirty three inches and um, in
credit to Lane Kiffin, they made that move really to
help to help Nick get a jump on on his

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pro projection. So that was that was cool that they
all miss staff to do that. So we've seen a
whole a whole year inside of guard. That's where he'll
be mostly. Um, you know, he'll probably you'll probably do
a little bit a little bit of center to I
think that's gonna be Nick's calling card at the next
level is being a really versatile guy. And then with
with Jalen Duncan, I we've got some really good tackles
in this game, but I think Jalen in terms of

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fitting the prototype left tackle athlete mold, I think it's Jalen. Um.
You know, Darnell right, Dawan Jones from from Tennessee and
Ohio State, those guys are more right tackles and immediate
day one starting right tackles. But but Jalen, you watch
his game, he is a he's a very good athlete
or higher on any grading scale. He's gonna be a
seven level athlete or higher. Really nice speak. Can just

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just stay in front of people. It's easy for him. Again,
we talked about a couple other guys with consistency, and
I think that's that's the thing with Jalen, like, you know,
just bringing it every game, the physicality to finish every game. Um,
he's got you know, he's got something to prove that way.
I hope he comes down here a little chip on
his shoulder because I think he's heard that. I think
he's heard that from scouts that have been through the building. Um,

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but he's got a ton of things athletically you just
can't coach. How about Osiris Torrents. He's another guy, Jim
that I thought used a trans reporter really well. King
you know, was good at Louisiana. Lafayette goes to a
big program and then boy he showed off that power
and the ability to move defenders all year. Yeah that
was that was Billy Napier's best recruiting job last year.
I was getting Cibo to to to leave Lafayette with him,

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But they did a great job in that room when
when Billy was at Lafayette. I mean you look at
the guy that Robert Hunt we had committed to the
game before he had to pull with an injury. And
then last year we had Max Mitchell. Now Cibo's coming
to town, and uh, you know, I don't think he
fits all thirty two teams. Um. And when you get
into like backup level players that can force a guy
to slide. But there's gonna be you know, he's gonna

(31:53):
be more of a gap scheme, uh player. But the
teams that play with those guys, and again I kind
of default to my Seahawks background. They drafted a guy,
Damian Lewis from our game from LSU a couple of
years ago, and Damien's been a starter from day one.
Really good player for them. Um, this guy's gonna fit.
The Baltimore Ravens is another team that kind of comes
to mind. But this guy, you know, he'd come off

(32:14):
the ball and Movia and in past protection. He's not
gonna get pushed. You know, he's gonna set a deep pocket.
He can play square, He's not gonna get his edges
worked and he's gonna do things in the run game
to to cave people. So, um yeah, in terms of
the interior group, um, he's gonna be you know, I'm
sure for most teams Cybos right up there at the
top of that that guard coming. Again, he might only

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be a guard only. I don't know if Cybo can
play center or tackle. Um, but if you're just gonna
be a one position guy, you better be a starter,
and you better be a good one. And thank god, Cybos,
that's what Cyber projects as is a is a really
good starting guard. You know, I mentioned the beginning, and
there are a couple of players in the game that
have basically gone by the way sed are ignored. Uh

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and now they're in the SEU Ball. And one of
my favorites as some Mason Richards from that kind Arolina,
who's been a starting left tackle there for what three years,
and he's blocked he's protected the blind side for some
really good quarterbacks or guys that are gonna be projected
to go early in the draft in a future years.
I think he's done a terrific job. What's your projection him?

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Is he gonna play left tackle. IS's gonna move inside
to guard regardless. I think he's gonna be Uh. He's
a terrific prospect that either position. Yeah, you're right, Tony,
he's played left. UM. I think you'll see him play
both tackle spots and probably some guard. UM. I think
the more you can do down here, I mean, we
saw it a couple of years ago with Uh jeeus

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with the Bucks. I'm blanking now starting center, getticky, No,
not Luke Um from from Notre Dame. The right the
right tackle. Uh came down here a couple of years
ago and it never played center before, and it was
the right tackle. Now, I'm totally blanking the more I'm
getting into this question. But he played center during the week,

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he'd never done it in a competitive environment, came down
here look better at center than he never looked at
guard tackle. Um at Notre Dame and got drafted in
the third round, came down here like a sixth round pick.
So sim's gonna do the same thing. We're gonna move
him around and see where he where he fits best.
But the thing you like, you like the athlete, and
you like the length. He's got thirty four inch arms
and he can move and really when he gets out
in space, some of his best stuff is second level stuff,

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perimeter stuff. Um, he can get out there and he
can keep his body on people. So again, that was
kind of a late ad for us because you know,
just talking to the North Carolina staff, that's a guy
they were trying to get back. And that's that we
were talking about the roster build Park earlier, John, and
you're asking how and I affected it and everything, Like,
we had to be really mindful of our relationships at
the college level with these coaches, Like we weren't gonna

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send invites out if we got word that that a
team was trying to keep a player like Max Duggan.
You know, we're talking to the guys that TCU all
fall and they really wanted to keep Max Um. So
we kind of played that along with them and didn't
send an invite until the appropriate time. And the same
thing that happened with North Carolina. Uh, we got some
real close ties on that staff and they were they
were trying to trying to get him back, and when

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it got to the point where they didn't think they would,
then it was okay, go ahead and send him. Go
and send him the invite now so um so, yeah,
well that's that's how we'll use a move. We'll move
Richards around a bunch, all right. I'll jump to the
defensive on you mentioned Notre Dame. Isaiah Fosky. You know,
a guy with a lot of production and he's like
your old school defensive end, right. He's not like this

(35:23):
twitched up two two pound guy that's gonna bend and
you know, be a crazy athlete. But he's long, he's strong,
and I think he's gonna be a really solid NFL
player for a long time. Yeah, the Buck's offensive linement
with Robert Hainze, it just pumped into my head when
you said when you said Notre Dame. So sorry Robert,
if you buy any chance you're watching the Giants podcast,
But but no, no, so uh. Foski was a big

(35:47):
guest for us because he is a junior. You know,
we really like to get those underclassmen in the game.
It's been a huge thing for our rosters over the years.
Like two years ago we had sixteen, last year we
had twelve. Um but double digit sack guy each of
the last two years. Is that Notre Dame. And like
you said, I mean in terms of like the overall athlete,
are there guys in this group that maybe could move better,

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Like if you watch him drop um, like a DJ
Johnson from Oregon, I think if you dropped the two guys,
I think DJ might look a little better doing that. UM.
Talking to the guys in training, he's out there training
with Willie Anderson from Alabama, some some other really good
players and and just you know, talking to the to
the trainers out there, they think Fosky has a chance
to dip into the high four fours. So they think

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they think he's gonna be a four or five guy
all day long. Which with that size, with that sack
production running a four or five, all you gotta do
is go back and historically look at what those guys
tend to do with those measurables and that production. Um,
he's certainly I mean, those guys don't fall out of
the top fifty picks very often. So excited to get
him down here. I think one on ones are big.

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I think he's really looking forward to one on ones
um and showing some stuff that maybe we haven't seen.
But to me, he's a guy when you put him
on he knows how to rush the pastor like he
just knows, he has a plan, he has a you know,
he has a nice bill for counters. Um. So yeah,
you know, I haven't had a chance to see as
they have played live, so this will be my first
live exposure to him. I've my son's been playing high

(37:11):
school football the last two years down here, so I've
been landlocked in SEC country for two balls, just watching
SEC games on Saturdays because I'm I'm at a high
school football stadium on Friday night. So excited to see
how excited to see? Uh? As a two less your
names or less your no names? Not less your names?
I apologizes, less you know names on a defensive line

(37:31):
called Brooks from Bowling Green. I mean, here's the guy
who went back for a second senior season. If you
watch Bowling Green, this guy's explosive, He's athletic. He gets
behind the line of scrimmage, could change in direction, gets
down the line of scrimmage in pursuit. I mean, talk
about a bit about him. Is he a defensive tackle?
Is he a three tech? Is he a two gap?
And uh, he's a football player and he's been a

(37:53):
real good football player who people don't pay attention to
and they really should. Yeah, you know, his his head coach,
Scott Leftler, our buddies from college, and so Scott's been
talking about this guy for a couple of years with
being um, he's a little a little bit like Kean White,
who we have in our game from Georgia Tech, in
the sense that, um, they both play on the edge
a bunch, they both reduced inside some um and they

(38:17):
both are they moved like smaller men. You know, I
know that I think Brooks, well, last time I hit
up Scott Brooks, and this was like a month ago,
Brooks was like two um. Last time I checked in
with Georgia Tech. Kean was two nine three. And when
you see them coming off the edge and doing some
of the things, like you said, playing down the line
of scrimmage chasing, they looked like two six, two hundred

(38:38):
and seventy pound guys. I mean, I couldn't believe when
I heard that Brooks was over to nine. Um he did.
He does not look that thick and girthy on tape
at least. But you're right, he makes he gets in
the backfield, he makes plays in the backfield. He's just
he's not just a disruptor, he's a he's a finisher
when he gets back there. Another guy who's not gonna

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be criticized for being a little bit too small as
Jerry Clark of of Coastal Carolina, A big man who
is very is nimble for for a three hundred thirty
five pound guys quicken, he's explosive with a guy like
Jerry Clark, who's you know, your zero technique nose tackle.
Are the coaches put him? Are you good? Are they
due to an employee three four type line to see

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what Jerry Clark could do, or if it's a four
man line, Jerry Clark just gotta, you know, roll with it. Now.
We're an even front game. We always have been. It's
it's really hard, Um and I talked with the with
the two coaching staffs, the two head coaches that came
in for this year's game. It's really hard to deploy
an out front in a practice week and teach these
guys because they're gonna be seeing one thing in the game.

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You know, they're gonna be going against the three four
look in the game and in practice and then seeing
even look in the game. And that's it's really hard.
Especially on the offensive line to teach that in one week. Um,
so we stay consistent on both teams. And uh. And
with Jared, yeah, I think you can play zero knows
and then you play one. Uh. He could be a
big five technique. But when I was in Seattle, we

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had a guy Red Bryant who was similar size to Jared,
was just a really good big five text. So, UM.
Thing I like about him he's he's a tight end
um and he just kept growing and getting bigger. I
think you see some of that. I think I think
Jared if he if he fits up a little bit,
you know, I think he's gonna change his body a
little bit. But there's an athlete in there because even
in a stance, you can see it. In a stance,

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the kid has flexibility. Um. And if he's one of
those guys to me Tony that if you grade the
flash plays, you get really excited about it. Um, he's
got he can push the pocket. He does have upfield explosion.
He's not just a two down plugger. Um. So there's
upside to the player. And I think that this is
a big this is a big week for Jared Clark. Um.

(40:45):
He's got a chance to really ascend against against better people,
because again in the Sun Belt, he's just not seeing
the guys he's gonna see down here. This week, moved
to linebacker. You know, last year the Marco Jackson of
Appalachian State had a real good week and helped him off.
You've got another linebacker from Appalachian State in Nick Campton,
who was very well thought of, and I think he's

(41:08):
more of a three down guy, or at least going
into we didn't think stage marcol Jackson was a three
down guy based on a college film and then boom
he exploded. Uh as did that did as much during
uh last year's senior ball. You know, you look at
the way Appalachian State uses Hampton primarily more up at
the line of scrimmage, and you know, maybe he's too

(41:28):
one get thirty pounds. So I got to assume that
a lot of Nick Hampton, his results are gonna be
based on what he shows moving in reverse, never mind
just because we know he can move up the field
so well. Yeah, nixt been Nick Benner highest graded group
of five defender going going back to last spring. Uh,
long explosive, high upside guy. I don't think like even

(41:49):
talking to teams through the ball. They're like Jim, he's
you know, most teams are probably gonna have third round
grades on him coming off the tape and then he'll
leave Mobile and everyone to move him up to the
second because he's got legitimate rush talent. Uh, legitimate rush talent.
We saw that against good people earlier in the year
A and M and in North Carolina. Um, he can

(42:10):
get after it. He's a good athlete. Yeah, you don't
see him drop a lot, so he'll be doing some
of that. But again, my my philosophy with those guys,
if they're that good going forward and they can impact
the quarterback, why are we dropping them all that much?
So that was like when I was in Seattle, we
have dropped whenever we dropped Bruce Irvan, Like, why are
we dropping Bruce Irvan? Like he's saying he's going to
going to get the quarterback? So uh No, Nick's Nicks.

(42:32):
Nicks again another guy. I think it's gonna stand out
in one on ones because he's, uh, he's a natural
pass rusher, you know, Jim, and I think that goes
in the next two guys. And you mentioned this in
one of your first answers to Tony at the start
of the podcast. You know, Isaiah Land and Will McDonald,
two guys that were pass rushers in college right once
to twenty, once to thirty. What do you hear from
NFL teams? You know, we've seen the transition and linebacker.

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Finally you see two twenty five pound linebackers running around.
Are we seeing NFL teams getting more comfortable using two
thirty pound guys on the edge more situationally or do
they want to see them in more of that off ball? Well, yeah,
those are two guys that we put in his linebackers
because because of the weight, right, I mean Isaiah Isaiah

(43:16):
for instance. You know, again we get a lot of
we get a lot of traffic coming through Mobile from
the Tallahassee guys going from Florida State and Florida A
and m over here to South Alabama, so they'll stop
by the office. And I mean Isaiah's weight. You know,
people were talking anywhere between two oh seven and to
seventeen this year and he had nineteen he had nineteen
sacks as a junior. And he's got he's got natural

(43:39):
movement to his rush game. But you've gotta get bigger
than that. So to me Friday, like it'll be interesting.
It's really hard because he knows he has to gain
weight and he's got to do it in a short
amount of time. So sometimes when guys do that, it's
not great. It's not great weight. Um, you know. So
it is a big week Frisday again. Buck Buchanan award

(43:59):
win as a junior um this year, the numbers weren't
quite the same. He didn't get that award. Um, but
it's gonna be interesting. But no, they to answer your question.
And and Will McDonald's in the same category. I mean,
thirty plus sacks in college in the Big twelve, um,
you know, six nine high jumper in high school. I mean,
dude's explosive athlete. But they the league they want to

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play with two hundred fifty two hundred sixty pound men.
You have to hold up against three pound tackles in
the run game or you're just a DPR, you know.
And that's fine. I mean, there's a role for those guys.
But if you really want to get drafted high and
be a you know, ah, a starting level player, they're
both of those guys are gonna have to get get bigger.
And again, sometimes it's hard for guys. Ever, Will McDonald

(44:41):
has our time putting on weight, so um, you know
it's to me, it's as from a scout's perspective, like
you just want to see them trending in the right direction.
So like if scouts went through family in the fall
and Isaiah's two seventeen shows up, the mobile to seven
shows up at the combine two thirty five, Now at
least you're seeing a steady progression. And then you think
by you're just projecting out to Nest August. Maybe you

(45:03):
got him too forty five, and then he might then
he might then he might have a chance, and then
by his third year, but you might happen sixty just
just with some natural maturation way. But yeah, both those
guys kind of fall in the same category like undersized
but but but legitimate rush rush rush town. You know.
One last linebacker I want to talk about, and a

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player who I feel some like some of the other
guys I mentioned, do not get the respect that they deserve.
And I think that's gonna blow it up and see
your ball week. Dorrian Williams of tu Lane, who has
been a terrific linebacker three years a hundred twenty six
tackles last year. Seventy three is a junior as a
sophomore when he jumped on my board, is a draftable
prospect and really showed a complete game this year. I

(45:45):
mean it was good not only against the run, but
also showing the ability to make plays in coverage. I
think this is gonna be a real huge week where
people like he said maybe earlier, don't watch tu lane,
They're gonna become very acquainted with Dorian Williams very quickly
during of a week. Yeah, you nailed it, Tony Um
and the coverage pieces what he he added this year
and again he he jumped out for us and it

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was the COVID year because we're over there. Uh scout
and Cam Sample who came to the game and went went,
And I think Kim in a great week yere. I
think he went the sixth round with Cincinnati. Um. But
Dorian just stood out that day just with his motor.
You saw the undersize backer just flying sideline and sideline,
and Uh, I had looked down at the flip card
and be like, oh my god, the kid's a sophomore,

(46:27):
Like this guy's got a couple more years and and uh,
you know, we post the videos throughout the following our
scouts go to the games during pregames. I'm really trying
to as you guys know that the body type is
such an important, overlooked part of an evaluation. I mean,
it's it's really critical to how a guy has built.
And Dorian's interesting. He looks like a safety from the
waist down, and he looks like a legit linebacker from

(46:48):
the waist up. He's a little he's a little top
baby in his bill, but and you know that's where
you see kind of the safety background. This guy can
really run. I mean, he's the speed linebacker everyone's looking for.
You said, he's been around the ball, has been highly productive,
and and the coverage stuff got better this year. He's
got really nice awareness developed really nice awareness. So I'm
with you. I think he's a guy that's that's gonna

(47:09):
turn heads and get on more radars. All right, let's
jump over to the DBS real quick, Jim, we appreciate
it all the time. I know we're going a little
long here. Um tyreech Stevenson out of Miami, good size guy.
You know play what I watched yesterday plays a lot
off a lot of cover three. I think him in
the one on one drolls, I think will be fun
to see if that athleticism can transfer a little bit. Yeah,

(47:30):
big guy that plays a lot of off so I
want to see what he looks like playing playing press. Yeah. Uh,
but for a bigger guy, he has a trigger and
he's physical. Um, you know, so when he closes on
when he closes on receivers, he can get the ball
out when he's playing stuff in front, and so you're right,
one on ones, it will be interesting to see from

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a technique standpoint, like where he's at with his press
technique and how comfortable and patient he is because they're
gonna be doing a lot of that. They're gonna be
doing a lot of that, and and a lot of
it's to see those guys and a lot of us
to see the receivers on how they handle press because
they don't outside of the SEC you don't see a
lot of teams playing press man. So um, yeah, Tyreek
is one of the one of the better big corners

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in the draft. And uh, there's a little bit of
a great variance on him right now around the league.
You know, there's there's a little bit of a split there.
You know, some teams are you know, from like that
third to fifth range on Tyreek sometimes depending on the prospect.
I mean sometimes it's really really zeroed in on like
a rounder two and others guys, there's more of a variance.
But uh, but Tyreek could have a big week. I

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really think the press stuff could help him. You know,
you kind of beat me to the punch with this
guy earlier, Riley Moss of Iowa, because when you watch
the film of Riley Moss, only too much is making
place from the balls in the year. He's getting his
head back around in the short field, down the field.
People want to stereotype them. I mean, how high do
you think Riley Morris can go or improve his draft

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stock coming out of senior week because he's been a
terrific player for three years at Iowa. Yeah, right, he
was a guy we had we had committed a game
last year. Um, and he was the big ten dB
of the year at four picks and a couple of
a couple of picks sixes and um, you know give
it to the staff and I when they talked her,
they somehow talked to a guy Indo coming back, So um,

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you know, we were talking about this on a on
a zoom call that we had Basically we set up
for the ESPN guys in the NFL Network guys last week,
UM to go over the whole roster and and I
said on that and talked about every guy for two
and a half hours. They probably all took bathroom breaks
and tuned me out after a while, but uh, but no.
So I was talking about Riley, and I was talking
about how there's just lazy narrative out there, how you

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know he's got to be a safety and it's all
because he's white. UM and a prominent member of the
ESPN crew. UM jumped in and he was like, you
know that's absolute bs, he's I got. I did two
of these guys, this guy's games this year. He's one
of the most fluid athletes I saw all year live.
So like anyone that's doing that stereotype and is just
completely off base. So I think Riley right now for

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most teams, isn't that fourth round area. But again, I
think if you just look at the high school track background,
and maybe I'm I do this more, maybe because my
dad was a high school track coach. In addition to
being a football coach. So um, five is rolland in
the hundred and ten high hurdles. So um, I think
Riley could run in the four threes. And you get

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a corner that's played that much football and has that
much ball production running in the four threes, those guys
usually don't get out of day two. Let me ask
you this about more loss real quick, and I'll put
you in a spot here. Is he nickel at the
next level or does he have starting potential? Um? Yeah,
I think he's got starting potential. Um I would I wouldn't, Yeah,
I would. I would definitely say that. You know, I

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think he's more of an outside corner. Um. I don't
know if he's got that short area quickness to be
to be an elite slot. But I mean teams teams
use slots differently nowadays too. So um, if I were
projecting him, you know, for a team, I'm rod right
him as an outside corner him real quick. A couple
of safety here, Jim Jamie Robinson, a Florida State safety.

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Slack guy like both tape man and his movement skills
are tremendous. Yeah, football player man, football player. Uh, fun
guy to watch. That's Uh, that's to me that I
always tell players. You know, when I was a scout
and I'd meet with guys, like the biggest compliment you
can give them players that he's fun to watch on tape, Jamie.
Jamie's urgent um. You know, he darts around. He's got

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that darter quality to him, like he'll just knife through
the box and light somebody up. Um. He's got a
lot of Jalen Petrie comparisons, and and uh, I see that.
I think there's some of that. You know. I think
Jalen last year really helped himself Senior Bowl week because
he was mainly like an underneath zone player um blitzer
in the Baylor scheme, and that's why he had seventeen
and a half tackles for loss or whatever he had.

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And then he comes to Senior Bowl and he is
manned against tight ends. He is playing all he is
playing deep from the hash and you saw the speed
because I think I think Jayle ended up running like
fourth or six um and that that you know at
the combine, I think that speed really showed up. And
Jamie is gonna be the same way there. They're similar guys,
but uh, to me, he's the guy that could play Nicole.
He could play. He's kind of interchangeable at safety, has

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got some freeze, got some strong because he will he
will knife down, and he's got toughness and run support. So, uh,
just a fun guy to watch. You know, you talk
about fun guys to watch, and you talk about Jalen
Petrie talking about another safety's gonna be to see you
about Sydney Brown of Illinois. I mean, this guy plays
big boy football. He is willing to get he throws
his body around the field. He's decent in coverage, he's

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not he's not a liability and coverage covers a lot
of area. Good instincts. Really looking forward to seeing him,
and it's again, I mean, remember Petrie. Petrie was shutting down,
shutting down opponents and one on ones last year. Sydney
Brown has that ability. Sydney Brown is gonna watch his
draft stock take off. Yeah, no doubt. So. Sydney's brought
you know, twin brother Chase. It's coming down to play

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play running back, Chase Gott. Chase got most of the
pub this year, Um as he should. You're up. The
Sydney was overlooked and you know he's back there with
Witherspoon and Kwan Martin and unbelievable secondary they had this year.
But uh, I'll admit it. Like when I started watching
Sydney over the summer, like I saw a strong safety,
kind of more box guy guy that you'd be really
fired up about drafting. And and you know he's gonna

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be a really good core teams player because of his
play style. Um, really aggressive and physical. And then we
get to the second half of this year and he
he just starts turning the ball over. I think he
ended up with seven interceptions this year, So I mean,
that's a that's a that's an insane number for a
college player. You don't seem any college guys get seven
picks in one year. So, um, yeah, he's had a
great year. I think. I think Sydney's is just he's

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doing this, And um, I just love when I watched
tape of guys like Sydney. I always think about what
it's gonna look like on our practice field and just
the energy level and the competitiveness and having other guys
feed off that, like you need some of those guys
um down here, we need some of those guys and
and uh so it'll be good having Sydney out there
because I know he's gonna bring juice. That's Jim Nagy

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joining us on Draft season, brought to you by Tommy
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can't wait to see you, Jim. Thank you so much
for being generous with your time, and you've got a
lot going on. Get back to work and we'll see
you next week. All right, all right, Jna, thanks, thanks Tony.
Appreciate you guys having me back on all. We see
you next time on Draft season.