November 24, 2023 • 37 mins
It's that time again....
Are you ready for a journey that will chill your bones as much as it warms your palate? Join us on a haunted adventure that combines two of our favourite things: whisky and ghost stories. We start off by sipping a 12-year-old Aultmore and share tales of the spooky side of distilleries, even revealing what kind of ghosts we'd be, should we ever haunt a distillery (planning on it!)
From there, we take you to Northern Ireland, diving into the eerie stories surrounding the Bushmills Distillery. Brace yourself for tales of ghostly pipers, tragic love stories, and a spectral search for a lost love. We also whisk you away to Louisville, Kentucky, to explore a distillery with a history as rich as its whiskey. The Old Forester distillery, with its chilling tales of murder, ghost sightings, and a dapperly dressed spectral figure, will surely send a shiver down your spine. OOOOooooOOOOoooOOOO
Also, we talk about The Boston Molasses Explosion! Spoiler Alert: not a great way to meet your end!
This Episode is sponsored by Sherbrooke Liquor, one of the World's Best Top Bottle Shops.
Thank you for listening and remember to drink respectfully!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello and welcome to Dram Find the podcast where we
talk about all things whiskey.
I'm Chelsea and I'm Pamela, andon this episode we are diving
into the paranormal and themacabre once again as we talk
about dead distillers anddistillator tragedies.
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Alright, let's do it.
Hi Chelsea, hi Pam, can you seeya, we are face to face.
Wait, ted, actually quite close.
Ted on Ted.
We're sure now, mate, ted, Ijust had Italian dressing, so
(00:49):
you probably you're gonna smellthat Same Okay.
Good, so it's fine.
This is good, this is fine.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
This is fine.
So are you afraid of the dark?
Are you scared of ghosts?
We're talking about ghostsagain.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, we always do that, don't we?
No, we don't, no, we do.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Once a year.
Oh, I mean this.
I thought you mean, like, talkabout ghosts in general.
But you know how we do once ayear, once a year, and here we
are.
I'm scared of the dark, are you?
You know, I don't have time tobe scared of the dark anymore,
too busy, I'm too busy.
But other things like oh god,what are you into?
Real things.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Like yeah, it's like ghosts.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, mortgage payments, I don't have time to
worry about.
If there's a ghost over there,maybe Now all the ghosts, I'm
like taunting the ghosts nowthey're gonna come.
They're coming for me Achallenge, but I do enjoy, as
you know, do enjoy a scary ghoststory and the macabre, the
macabre, the macabre.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yep, I'm all up at the macabre Kind of are I
actually am.
Yeah, I know I love this.
This is my favorite time of theyear.
Halloween is my favoriteholiday.
Yeah, it's long gone now.
I'm stoked.
My decorations are still up,exactly so this was supposed to
come.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You know what?
We were just gonna say it.
We were supposed to have thisout earlier, but you know what
Shit happens, guys, and insteadwe're doing it because we want
to extend the holiday.
So here we are.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, plus, there's always time Halloween's for life
, not just for Halloween.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Exactly it's a state of mind.
It's a state of mind it's forlife, not just for.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Halloween.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So I have a question for you, though, because we're
gonna be talking about ghostshere.
Ghosts, yep.
If you were a ghost.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Cool.
Oh did you get a chill?
No, I just was an excite inthis question.
Oh okay, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
If you were a ghost, pam, would you be kind of ghost
would you be?
Would you be a benevolententity, would you be mischievous
, or would you be like trying toscare the shit out of people?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh, I think I would just be like a nosy ghost.
A nosy ghost, yeah, just way tosee what the fucker up to you
just see what it up to.
Yeah, what's happening there?
What's happening there?
Yeah, what's people doingProperly?
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
As a pervert ghost.
You'd be a perv.
What would you be, mmm Pervertghost?
Exactly, no, I think I wouldlike, I would definitely want to
be a mischievous ghost.
I think I would just like toreally mess with people.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Are you the ones that leave the drawers in the
kitchen and leave the papersaround and stuff?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, I would gaslight, people and the after
all the afterlife.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to causetoo many.
You know, maybe some people Iwould scare Certain people out
there.
I would love to scare the pantsoff, oh yeah, but others, just
a little trick.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I would just watch you and have up your laugh.
Follow me.
Yeah, yeah, you'd be trickingme.
No, I wouldn't be tricking you,you'd be just watching.
I'd be watching your tricks ofpeople and enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
We're both ghosts together in the scenario.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Well, we do have our nails together, okay, well,
we're gonna be ghosts together.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Okay, well, that's good to know.
So I guess we should starttalking about some ghosts and
distilleries and whatnot,because distilleries are really
old and I feel like people liketo hang around there.
They're creepy, they're creepy.
Lots of creaky wood, lots ofdark, cold, dark.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Or warm or warm.
Yeah, ghosts love a big rangeof stuff.
They do because they like toshock you by making your
temperature drop.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
That's right.
Yeah, the beat drops too.
Whoa DJ.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Ghost, dj Ghost.
It plays music for people.
Well, they do turn the stereoon sometimes.
Rik Rol, maybe that's whatit'll be.
Just get the tunes on.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I like it Okay, but before we do that, I think we
should talk about what we'redrinking today too, while we
talk about all these fun things,what you brought for us.
I brought oh, would you care fora wee meal?
A little nip of the Bucky Road.
Oh, what a nip, how many nips?
Because that's apparently whatyou would say on the sly if you
(04:52):
wanted to taste Altmore.
Altmore, the space side whiskey.
This one here is the 12 year.
So the Altmore of the FoggyMoss, what's it called?
Dave, I know right, sounds kindof scary.
It does so.
This was.
This distillery was oftenveiled in an obscuring mist,
probably, aka the Foggy Moss,and it's been often.
(05:12):
This distillery has beenshrewded in mystery.
This whiskey is an exceptional.
It's very smooth and it's justa top class stuff.
So it's kind of like, if youknow, you know.
So we're going to try someAltmore 12 year old today while
we talk.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Okay, yes, definitely for me on the Bucky Road.
Then, alright, here comes a nip.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Oh, here we got a two bottle pop A BP, those kind of
scary.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Spooky bottle, pop, spooky pop.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Okay, alright, so we have our glasses.
Let's do a little cheers.
How's that for Scary let's?
We're going to have a quick siphere.
It smells really nice.
The nose on this is quite sweet.
(06:08):
Very vanilla, very rich vanillasweetness.
It just ought right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
What's the ABV on that?
Because it's not 46.
Yes, that's the lower part.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
We will check back with this.
I'm gonna open up.
I think it actually couldprobably use a little bit of
time.
I think it'll open up nicely.
That's what I think of thefirst taste.
Okay, well, while we do that,why don't you talk?
Yeah, lead us through what we,who we talking with distillery,
we go on to first.
Hey, bush Mills, you ever beenthere?
Not physically, but and spendit.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
It's weird, I'm always there, okay, wow.
Well, this first story He'll issome star-crossed lovers.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
We love a star-crossed lovers.
Yeah Well, everything be okayfor them in the end.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well, no, it's a tragic tale, okay, but let's,
let's travel back to to bushMills before.
It is what we know it now.
Does that make sense?
Well, I just said it's kind ofFrench Roundabout way, get that?
So the small village of bushMills, set on the banks of the
river bush, is the oldestworking distillery in Ireland.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Okay, We'll fight about that later.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
It's been operating for more than 400 years, so sure
it has its fair share of ghosts, and the distillery is home to
the gray lady the great or gray,what do you say?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Gray the color, gray, gray, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Most are always gray Gray.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But it's always a gray lady.
How did you say a great lady?
A great lady Doesn't sound muchdifferent.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
A great, a great.
Don't make me start that theAaron and Aaron argument again
with you.
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Sounds the same when you say it Well.
It sounds the same when you saygray and gray.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Well, she was a great gray lady.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Okay, okay, good.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And numerous employees spotted her over the
years.
So it has actually been asettlement since the 12th
century.
Bush mills the area.
So back in the day there waslots of mills along the river
bush the Brits corn mills, flax,timber, paper mills and
numerous distilleries.
(08:25):
So it was a wee spot andeventually a community kind of
grew together in the 1800s.
It's this very thrivingcommunity and people started
traveling there for tourismbecause it's not far from
Giant's Causeway and it had alot of what happened in there A
lot of people doing itreproducing, because you
(08:46):
expanded.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
You said it just draws people.
Yeah, that's where my mind went.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
You've got sex in the brain today.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I don't know what.
What's wrong with you?
Oh the horny ghosts.
Yeah, you're right, that'sprobably what started it.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
No, I'm just thinking about Ghostbusters.
For that scene it was when they, yeah, the when he's getting a
blowjob off a ghost.
Oh, I know that delayed scene.
No, I don't.
Well, I didn't know what, Idon't know what.
The deleted scene?
Well, it wasn't on TV becauseobviously I had it taped off the
tail.
Of course, I was a wee girl andI never knew this scene was in
it until, like, probably in thelast 10 years or something like
(09:22):
that.
And there's a scene wherewhat's his name, what's the
guy's name?
Bill Murray?
No, dan Ackroyd, the best one,the best one, and he's like
sleeping and he's dead.
Oh, oh, he's down on him.
Shit, I don't know that.
Okay, so it wasn't loud inItaly, in the UK, this is true.
We'll put a link in Vile, it istrue.
(09:44):
Okay, we'll put a link in theshow notes.
Six of Ghosts.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I just thought you meant like when they're getting,
when they get stuff shot out ofthem, it's very, you know, you
know, suck Anyways, continueAnyways.
Six of Ghosts, she's like.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Anyway, let's get back to the serious bushmills
here.
So in bushmills, the village,there was a couple that lived
across the road from thedistillery called George and
Margaret Mags George, and theywere a retired couple, very
devoted, happy couple, who justwanted a quiet life, like they
(10:18):
couldn't be bothered by allthese tourists coming in, going
to visit Giant's Causeway andhanging out at the distilleries
and that Like this is their tune, yeah, like they just wanted to
chill and have their nice timestogether.
They were always seen together.
They were never apart, apartfrom when George would take the
redog for a walk at night.
So he would head out, walk alongthe river bush and then wander
(10:42):
into the distillery because itdidn't have like big fences
around or whatever like securitylike it does now, like people
could wander in and out of it,and that was he's route.
He did every night, so healways went the same way.
And one night he went for hisusual walk and Margaret was
waiting, waiting.
He never came back Over an hourshe's still waiting and then
(11:04):
she heard some scratching,scratching at the door.
She opened the door.
It was the be-dog.
He came back without, without,without George, without.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
George.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
George.
Where is he?
Where is he?
George is missing.
So Margaret in a panic nowobviously he's off with one of
the tourists.
Could be.
Yeah, that's why they hate them, that's true.
So Margaret was off, grabbed herlike we candle torch guy off,
she went out into the night tosearch for him.
She's banging on all theneighbours doors.
(11:37):
They never seen George and someof them had, because they all
know each other.
So we tune and the lastsighting was of him wandering
into the distillery and then noone saw him again.
So she's wandering around thedistillery grounds hunting for
him.
She opens one of the doors tothe distillery, gets in there.
She's wandering around all thefloors with her little candle
(11:59):
trying to find him and he's nothere.
She had to give up, go home.
But the next night she went outhunting for him again the same
route that no George.
The next night and the next andthe next the same.
She never gave up looking forhim.
She did live a long life,weren't she?
Eventually, when she passedaway, there was some unusual
(12:23):
happenings when she died aroundthe distillery.
Just her searchin' still.
Where could he be?
Where could he be, george?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
He's like I've had enough of this shit.
He had to Canada or something,I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Oh, poor Margaret, so poor Margaret.
So poor Margaret.
She's still wandering around.
So people have felt a hand ontheir shoulder when they're in
the distillery, cold flash orthem while they're wandering
around the warm areas of thedistillery doors that are
heavily bolted, normally leftopen.
You know spooky stuff, and somepeople have actually even seen
(13:01):
a figure of a woman in a shawlwith her little candle, torch
thing or lantern thing in thecorners of the distillery.
Spooky Ooh.
So she's wandering theremoaning and wailing, searching
for George, people hear hermoaning and wailing too.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, she's one for the dramatic.
She's never gone over it.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
She never got over it .
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, I would be pissed.
I'd be pissed and sad, likewhere the fuck did he go?
I know so would she Right?
I mean, we had to take care ofthis place by myself now, maybe
with a note, but then maybe hedid die, maybe he like fell in a
still and got like, or I knowthat people would find him.
What happened?
What happened to George George?
I think he fell in the river.
You think he maybe fell in theriver?
Yeah, maybe.
That's a good, that's a logicalexplanation, very good.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Very good.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Well, that was a really good story for really bad
for her old marriage, or Meg.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Should.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Maggie, maggie, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Um, let's get on to our next story, shall we?
Yeah, let me have a piece ofthe last one.
Okay, cheers to George and Meg.
This one's for Max.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
It's really sweet actually.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It is, we're kind of casks, we're kind of casks of
the years here.
I think it's just a must beAmerican oak.
I think it's just like maybedoesn't really say what.
We're just assuming it'sAmerican oak.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
It's cannot like.
It's sweet and floral and andvery easy to drink.
And yeah it's actually I'd justsay that's lovely, that is
quite a lovely smooth and clean.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So next up we are going to continue our tour of
Ireland here, because we'reheaded now to Kilbegan, which
you know has a little beef withbushmills, perhaps because,
because, although bushmillsmaybe technically had the first
license bestowed upon them byKing James I in 1608 to distill,
(15:00):
because you had to have alicense to distill, yeah, they
had to register, but they didn'tregister to trade until the
late 18th century.
So meanwhile, kilbegan, theywere distilling before that.
So I don't know what the, thehang up was bushmills, but we're
busy.
Yeah, tourism, they had to tryto find George then.
(15:22):
So, kilbegan, they I mean theycall themselves the oldest
working distillery.
Because of that, certainly oneway We'll have to fight, yeah,
fight, I'm going to get my sword.
So the also but they would,they do have is the oldest
(15:42):
working pot still for sure, it'sover 250 years old.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
They still use that bad boy yeah, it's called
usually have a name Old timer.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Old potty and they're hot head.
So, anyways, the founder,matthew McManus.
He started distilling there in1757.
He was a good year and hisfamily kept the distillery for
over 100 years before it waspassed on to John Locke.
Not to be confused with thephilosopher or well lost, which
(16:14):
he was probably named after, thephilosopher and and doctor
physician, oh my God, you knowJohn Locke.
Hey the philosopher.
No, I only know John Locke fromlost.
Yeah, they probably named JohnLocke from lost after the actual
major John Locke, I imagine.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Well, I like to imagine that there's an episode
that never been out of lost,where John Locke traveled back.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And it was actually based off of John Locke, the
distiller.
Coming up next is John Lockecrise.
Well, maybe there's some lostfootage out there somewhere.
So, on the cutting room floorLask, we'll call, we'll call,
we'll call the lost people.
Um, you get on that Okay, so,uh, but it's very Kilbegin was
very much, very much part of theof the community, like even, I
think um, they credit uh,matthew McMadis from almost
(16:55):
having the very first like acrowdfunding project because one
of the major components oftheir still broke and the whole
town but pitched the moneytogether so he'd get it fixed so
that it wouldn't haltproduction.
They were all probably drunksand they're like we need, you
know, keep making whiskey here.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I wonder what the parameters were around that let
you get one B-dram for every twopaints or something you know
how.
There's like tears when you doyour credit card.
I'm not sure I wouldn't havehad tears.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Maybe he started we'll have to look more into
this tear system.
Um, they also came together.
There was a actual a uh a bigmass of fire in 1878 and they,
all you know, cause alcohol andfire.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
It's flammable, not good, not good.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So, they were.
They were rolling out barrelsout of there, saving all the
whiskey, risking their lives forthe whiskey, mm, hmm, and uh
and yeah.
So that's just to show you howimportant the skill bag in the
distillery was, um, but now forthe haunting.
So there was a like a, a, um,an abbey nearby, uh, and you
know lots of monks hangingaround.
So there's always been multiplesightings of monk ghosts.
(17:58):
Monks love a drink.
They do love a drink.
You know they brought, theybrought distillation to Western
Europe, to Ireland, mm, hmm,right To Ireland.
I think I bumped them like that.
It was a ghost, um.
They brought it from, uh, fromthe what was at the time called
as like Mesopotamia, which islike Iraq now, that area.
(18:18):
They used it just to still makelike medicine and and and you
know perfumes.
Yeah, they brought thattechnology.
Then monks did that, brought itback to Western uh, you know
Europe.
And then Ireland and Scotlandwere like oh, we have lots of
barley kicking around, let'sjust still it's still that shit.
And then whiskey was born.
Technically, I mean, there's abit of an argument of who
invented it first Ireland andScotland, right, technically
(18:42):
there's a record of Irelandhaving it first.
Look, it's a good job with pals, that's what.
What's that?
It's a good job with pals.
It's a good job with pals?
Yeah, scotland, ireland, yeah,they are, but this is.
But then it's got to say someheard them say.
Sometimes they say okay, maybeIreland discovered it, but we
perfected it.
Uh, so maybe we'll just let thatlie.
We have to be.
That's not something we'retalking to.
(19:03):
Yeah, we're not doing it.
I just want to talk about monks, really Monks, yeah.
So anyways, there's monks,ghosts, monk ghosts, which I'm
not a fan of.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I hate their hair costs.
Yeah, boldly hate the, the, the, the fire, the type of.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, I wonder why they do that, I don't know.
Oh baby, they probably.
Maybe.
Maybe they want their head nocloser to God, but then some
people want higher the hair, thecost of the God.
That's like Texas, is You'reright.
So what is it?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, is that hair?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
God, Less more hair to God.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I don't know, but no wonder that we are hood, that
cat called cold, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So anyways, I'm just imagining these.
You know, um, monty Python, askmonks in ghost form, like
smacking their head with theirbibles, just run straight to the
battle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So all very scary stuff, um andthere's also there's also lots
of um, apparently, in thedistillery.
There's lots of murmuring andwhispering going around here.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Gossip ghosts, gossip girl, gossip ghosts.
Ghosts are like it's so, it'sso, gossip Ghosts.
Did you see what was there?
It's a real, it's a real treat.
Did he even wash that wall inhis hair?
See, that's a thing.
Yeah, so gossip, gossip ghosts.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And um, and also there's been um uh sightings of
Mr Matthew McManus himselfkicking around the distillery.
I think these, the originaldistiller's, like to kick around
.
They want to grow micromanagers, micromanagers.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Still still think of the big man yeah.
Right no one does it right.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Uh and so, uh, and I think you, I think you mentioned
I know you don't think youmentioned it, but you told me
before we started recording uh,ghost hunters, you know the show
ghost hunters.
Yeah, yeah, they visited.
They did visit Kilbegin andthey were like whoa, lots of
activity here, so something'shappening at Kilbegin.
So if you go there, look outfor ghosts, yeah, Ghosts of all
kind, Wonder, wonder.
(21:03):
Oh, a monk ghost.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
A monk ghost?
Mm-hmm, you're fancy that,that's all.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Uh, and that is uh briefly a start of Kilbegin,
there we go.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Let's have another sip, okay.
So two, one, two, three, okay,okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,
okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,okay, okay.
So that's the sentence you needto solve whatever the monkey is
, thanks.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So boots and vines, yeah, you guys be well.
Hey, yeah you guys.
Okay, it's a good meal, okay,okay, slippery For yoga.
No ус, you have no motto, anywish In therain for only the
junk food.
No Djoey.
Bon Appétit, uh楽ry.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I know.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I have more Okay let's get on to you.
Have another story for us.
That's yummy.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I really like that.
Yeah, down the hatch, down thehatch.
Okay, I'm just going to touchon one.
Okay, tomatoes and distillery,and you've mentioned it before.
Actually, I don't think it wason the pod, but it was on our
Instagram.
See the Kuba can?
Oh, the kabokan.
Yes, do you remember what itmeans A ghost dog?
It means ghost dog in Gaelic.
(22:16):
So while spatting distillerymay not be haunted by a human,
it does have some spookyactivity going on.
So the legend has it that thelast wolf in Scotland was
actually killed near thedistillery and it now haunts the
grounds Like you killed thelast wolf.
(22:36):
Yeah, we don't have any, likecrazy animals, just ghost wolves
only yeah, but apparently it'sbeen seen hunting its prey and
then, as it's about to attack,it transforms into a blue, smoky
cloud.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Oh, that's not a very effective in catching prey.
No, but isn't that scary.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Very spooky.
Imagine it was running at you,about to attack you, and then
it's right in front of you andyou're like I just blew myself.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Sorry, that's from that's from fucking.
That's from, uh, resteddevelopment, oh well, from all
my rest of develop fans outthere.
You know, tobias, he paintshimself blue and he thinks I
just blew myself.
Oh, anyways, that's funnythat's funny.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I wish I'd seen it.
Maybe one day, maybe one day.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Funny, that's kind of like it's a good show.
It's on Netflix.
Do you want to hear oh, youknow what last time?
Pam's having a little chuckle.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Just like me plugging Netflix.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Netflix.
They need all the help they canget.
So last time we did this, uh,this um, scary, spooky episode,
I read some old newspaperclippings from this book called
the Dead Distillers by, and Idid this last time I didn't have
it ready to go to tell you whatthe author of this book is, so
(24:00):
I'm gonna look for that rightnow.
So, yeah, so the book is calledDead Distillers, by Collins
Spoilman and David Haskell fromKings County Distillery the
history of upstarts and outlawswho made American spirits.
So, uh, there's there's hereout, there's just there's a
(24:21):
throughout the book.
There's just these newspaperclippings riddled with people
that have died due to being inthe distillery world, whether in
an, in a distillery or whatwe'll see here shortly because
they had a distillery.
So this particular, uh, thisparticular news, um clipping is
from the Highland Weekly Newsfrom Hillsborough, ontario, in
(24:44):
May 27th Ontario.
Uh, oh, did I say HillsboroughOhio?
Oh, my gosh, he's like Canadian, I don't know why I said
Ontario.
Uh, may 27th 1869.
So on Saturday night, an armedband of disguised men stopped
the train from Louisville toMemphis and attempted to murder
internal revenue officer Han,who had a prisoner on board,
(25:07):
arrested for running an illicitdistillery bandits.
Bandits were trying to rescuetheir still their friend, yeah
Han's assistant, named unknown,jumped from the train, was fired
on by the band and was seenfalling.
So I think he died.
Mr Han fired into the gang,killing one of them.
The others poureda volley intothe train, fortunately without
(25:28):
injuring anyone.
The train was immediately putinto motion.
The last scene of the band theywere making their way for the
woods bearing their comrade, andthe band was supposed to be to
belong to a gang engaged inillicit distilleries extending
from east Tennessee toMississippi.
So it, uh, you know it was adangerous game back then and
(25:49):
even now.
But right, those bandits, thosebandits, those trains out at
what a, what a?
That's like a scene from thewild west.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, that's right, I'm not showing too.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, so that's one story from the dead distillers,
but now it's a great book.
Yeah, it's really interesting.
Um, there's some reallyinteresting female stories that
we'll have to get into at somepoint for the show.
Yeah, there's one called likemoonshine maggie or something.
She sounds great fun.
I know right, I want to befriends with moonshine maggie.
But let's now dive into anotherdistillery.
(26:20):
We're already talking aboutKentucky here.
Um, just in that clip there,and we're gonna head to Kentucky
now for our next story.
Let's do it, uh, in a in adistillery called old forester.
Old forester, yes, yes, um, Ihave an old forester myself.
It's a Subaru 2005.
It's actually quite great.
(26:42):
Um, it's always diggingsomething don't you know?
well, no, no, that one actuallymy newer for a Subaru means the
work.
The old forester has been great, so good, yeah, yeah, so, um,
old forester.
It's spelled differently though, but anyways, let's talk about
old forester in Louisville.
Yeah, in 1870 it was started by,uh, george Garvin Brown and it
reopened in a new location justrecently, in 2018, in a uh, a
(27:05):
former site of this legendaryhotel called the galt host sorry
, this is hard for me to saygalt house hotel, which opened
in 1835.
So this hotel was quite famous.
It opened or it hosted thelikes of, um, charles Dickens,
big names, big celebs, yep.
Also US Sees S Grant Ulysses,yep, yep.
(27:28):
And Mr Abraham Lincoln Kind ofa big deal.
Kind of a big deal, yeah.
So those are just the type ofpeople that were meandering the
halls of this hall of this galthouse hotel.
I see it's all, yeah, celebscentral.
This is like the Chelsea Hotelin New York or perhaps the
(27:48):
Beverly Hills.
What is it called?
The?
What is the one in?
Speaker 2 (27:52):
LA the Beverly Hills.
I think it's the Beverly Hills,I think it's called.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, anyways, anyway .
So this is all the site ofmurder most foul, oh shit.
So there's a couple of famousmurders that happened in where
now the distillery resides.
Union General Jefferson C Davisshot and killed William General
Wait Shot and killed GeneralWilliam Nelson after they were
(28:20):
drinking and had Willie Nelson.
Willie Nelson, I didn't thinkof that.
Well must be.
Well, maybe that was his greatgrandfather or his dad or
something.
I don't know how old is WillieNelson?
Pretty old, he's an old guy,but like he's still kicking it
Pretty good.
Yeah, maybe he's haunting it,maybe that.
Yeah, maybe he's a ghost.
(28:40):
Anyway, so they, he killed theguy after an argument, a heated
argument, just got, you know,trigger happy there.
Nice job, jefferson.
And then also, this one's alittle bit more tragic.
It's a pregnant mistress shother baby daddy for not
acknowledging the paternity ofher unborn babies.
(29:01):
Willie deserve it.
He's really pissed.
Yeah, you know, apparently hewas a well-to-do man.
I can't remember his name atthe time, but his ghost is
apparently seen walking aroundthat area with his top hat and
cane and his gold tipped caneStill being a fancy bastard, Yep
still him being a little dandy,yeah, so old forester, yeah,
(29:25):
and there's a security guard toowho told the tale.
He's I don't know if he's thereanymore, but recently he talked
about how he saw, basically, youknow, the classic.
You see, an old man wearing,you know, like the traditional
garb of the times, like you know, mid-set or turn of the century
type of outfits, and long beard, mustache.
(29:47):
He saw this guy.
He got on the elevator and hewas just standing there staring
at him and then he just kind ofdisappeared and he ended up
seeing this guy every day forthe next week and he could never
see it on the cameras.
Like they went back to checkand it wasn't.
He didn't show up on thecameras, I know, and yeah,
there's also like just whethertourists or other workers, they
(30:09):
see, just goes the classicwalking through walls and into
barrels and to barrels, yeah,drinking, drinking whiskey
bottles.
Someone's reported a poor ghosttrying to get a drink.
Oh, bottle is closed.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I think I told you before because I've seen a
couple of the list when I was ateenager and one of the ones was
was a really old man.
It looked like a sailor orsomething, oh really, and he was
staring out a window and therewas a table that wasn't really
there.
But I saw this table with a bigdecanter on it and he had this
(30:45):
teeny, tiny little glass and hepoured from the decanter into
the glass and took a sip andjust stared out the window.
I literally was a little kidand I just looked out of her
mind and my cupboards saw it andthen just like closed my eyes
and filled the cupboards over myhead.
It was like go away go away.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
You think you were dreaming.
No, you saw that I was a spookykid.
That's so spooky.
I don't like that.
I don't like that at all.
But yeah, I mean, there's Idon't know how many, how many
stories now we have of just youknow, oh, there's these ghosts
walking into the walls, into thebarrels, and just like this
just seems to be.
(31:19):
That's a right for the ghostsare right for the picket and
distilleries.
We're finding.
Yeah, yeah, do you.
So that's, that's fourdifferent stories, two from
Ireland, two from the States.
Yeah Right, Goose garen,they're all over the place.
Do you think there's a ghosthere now?
Yeah, so I have one more.
(31:52):
It isn't necessarily ghoststories, more on the macabre
side.
Let's eat it.
So this also came from the DeadDistillers book that I
mentioned previously.
And have you ever heard of theBoston molasses explosion?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I've heard of the Boston Tea Party, but not the
Boston molasses explosion.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Well, get ready to hear about it, because it's
actually quite horrifying.
Okay, so there was this wasduring the early 1900s, during
kind of the end of World War One, and they stored at this
distillery 2.3, I believe,million tons of molasses that
(32:32):
they used to not only makeethanol they can use it for
drinks but it was used forammunition, like making
ammunition for the war.
So they had 2.3 million gallonsof this stuff that was recently
delivered and was stored inthis big vat and then all of a
sudden it just somethinghappened and the structure
(32:54):
failed and it just came like awall of molasses down into the
town below and essentially likewe're talking four-foot-high
molasses, Like lava, Like well,I think it must have been.
They kept it warm so that itcould be easier to manipulate
and use, because it gets hard,but I think like a few dozen
(33:17):
people died, drowned, justpummeled, because it's like kind
of molasses.
Yeah, Can you find it Like?
Can you think of a worse way togo?
Drowning in molasses, Sticky,Sticky, and then just the rescue
missions getting people out,and yeah, it just.
There's actually a picture.
You can see pictures of theafter effects here or the after.
(33:39):
So, yeah, if you can imagine atidal wave.
It's of 2.3 million gallons ofmolasses, 25 feet high actually,
and traveling 35 miles an hour.
When it hit, especially, therewas a young girl that was hit
right away, Maria.
And oh man, everything was justcrushed.
Everything became debris,reduced to sticks, because that
(34:00):
amount of force and theviscosity of molasses just oh my
gosh.
So here's tsunami.
There it is, there it is.
Yep, Let me see, We'll put apicture you can link to of the
molasses explosion Shut up.
Look at that.
Yeah, and apparently yeah.
Apparently, to this day, inthat part of town in Boston,
(34:24):
people still report smellingmolasses on a hot summer's day.
Right, right, yeah.
So distilling dangerousbusiness?
Sure does.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Hail to safety.
Wow, so distillery work.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Spooky business, spooky business, yep, and you
know, I guess, if anyone who hasany stories with distillery,
please let us know.
Email us.
Yes, we love them.
We love them.
We want more.
We want more, exactly so finalthoughts on our whiskey that
we're drinking today ourultramar.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I actually really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I think it's a really nice strap, I think if you're
looking for a nice classic, easyto see, a nice space-side
whiskey, this is a greatrepresentation of a space-side.
It's 46% too, so it's not youknow.
It's taking itself prettyseriously and I just love
whoever the writer is for theircopy.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
They've got a creative writer in the ice for
sure.
Yeah, it's really nice.
Bucky road Tornups to the BuckyRoad, please.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I will take a dip of the Bucky Road.
Thank you, so yeah.
So well done ultramar.
Well done you two.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
You're good, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I guess that wraps up our episode.
I guess season two, episodenine, no idea, it's nine, I
think.
Speak back, it is going to beback.
We took you know what lifecomes at you hard, sometimes you
gotta, sometimes it doesn'tcome at you like a wall of
molasses.
Actually, wall molasses in thiscase came at you really fast,
(36:03):
pretty accurate, yeah, it cameat you fast.
So molasses not always the bestanalogy for something that goes
slow, because, see Boston,molasses explosion.
Anyways this outro is justlosing it's and end and end.
So no, we gotta say thank youto the creator of our theme song
(36:24):
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Stir Bob In, for this Is theLife.
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Speaker 1 (36:35):
Mmm, that was really scary.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, you should put the question at the end of this.
I've got all done here, in casemy boss wants to.
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Alright, let's do it.
Hi Chelsea, hi Pam, can you seeya, we are face to face.
Wait, ted, actually quite close.
Ted on Ted.
We're sure now, mate, ted, Ijust had Italian dressing, so
(00:49):
you probably you're gonna smellthat Same Okay.
Good, so it's fine.
This is good, this is fine.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
This is fine.
So are you afraid of the dark?
Are you scared of ghosts?
We're talking about ghostsagain.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, we always do that, don't we?
No, we don't, no, we do.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Once a year.
Oh, I mean this.
I thought you mean, like, talkabout ghosts in general.
But you know how we do once ayear, once a year, and here we
are.
I'm scared of the dark, are you?
You know, I don't have time tobe scared of the dark anymore,
too busy, I'm too busy.
But other things like oh god,what are you into?
Real things.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Like yeah, it's like ghosts.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, mortgage payments, I don't have time to
worry about.
If there's a ghost over there,maybe Now all the ghosts, I'm
like taunting the ghosts nowthey're gonna come.
They're coming for me Achallenge, but I do enjoy, as
you know, do enjoy a scary ghoststory and the macabre, the
macabre, the macabre.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yep, I'm all up at the macabre Kind of are I
actually am.
Yeah, I know I love this.
This is my favorite time of theyear.
Halloween is my favoriteholiday.
Yeah, it's long gone now.
I'm stoked.
My decorations are still up,exactly so this was supposed to
come.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You know what?
We were just gonna say it.
We were supposed to have thisout earlier, but you know what
Shit happens, guys, and insteadwe're doing it because we want
to extend the holiday.
So here we are.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, plus, there's always time Halloween's for life
, not just for Halloween.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Exactly it's a state of mind.
It's a state of mind it's forlife, not just for.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Halloween.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So I have a question for you, though, because we're
gonna be talking about ghostshere.
Ghosts, yep.
If you were a ghost.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Cool.
Oh did you get a chill?
No, I just was an excite inthis question.
Oh okay, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
If you were a ghost, pam, would you be kind of ghost
would you be?
Would you be a benevolententity, would you be mischievous
, or would you be like trying toscare the shit out of people?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh, I think I would just be like a nosy ghost.
A nosy ghost, yeah, just way tosee what the fucker up to you
just see what it up to.
Yeah, what's happening there?
What's happening there?
Yeah, what's people doingProperly?
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
As a pervert ghost.
You'd be a perv.
What would you be, mmm Pervertghost?
Exactly, no, I think I wouldlike, I would definitely want to
be a mischievous ghost.
I think I would just like toreally mess with people.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Are you the ones that leave the drawers in the
kitchen and leave the papersaround and stuff?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, I would gaslight, people and the after
all the afterlife.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to causetoo many.
You know, maybe some people Iwould scare Certain people out
there.
I would love to scare the pantsoff, oh yeah, but others, just
a little trick.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I would just watch you and have up your laugh.
Follow me.
Yeah, yeah, you'd be trickingme.
No, I wouldn't be tricking you,you'd be just watching.
I'd be watching your tricks ofpeople and enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
We're both ghosts together in the scenario.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Well, we do have our nails together, okay, well,
we're gonna be ghosts together.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Okay, well, that's good to know.
So I guess we should starttalking about some ghosts and
distilleries and whatnot,because distilleries are really
old and I feel like people liketo hang around there.
They're creepy, they're creepy.
Lots of creaky wood, lots ofdark, cold, dark.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Or warm or warm.
Yeah, ghosts love a big rangeof stuff.
They do because they like toshock you by making your
temperature drop.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
That's right.
Yeah, the beat drops too.
Whoa DJ.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Ghost, dj Ghost.
It plays music for people.
Well, they do turn the stereoon sometimes.
Rik Rol, maybe that's whatit'll be.
Just get the tunes on.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I like it Okay, but before we do that, I think we
should talk about what we'redrinking today too, while we
talk about all these fun things,what you brought for us.
I brought oh, would you care fora wee meal?
A little nip of the Bucky Road.
Oh, what a nip, how many nips?
Because that's apparently whatyou would say on the sly if you
(04:52):
wanted to taste Altmore.
Altmore, the space side whiskey.
This one here is the 12 year.
So the Altmore of the FoggyMoss, what's it called?
Dave, I know right, sounds kindof scary.
It does so.
This was.
This distillery was oftenveiled in an obscuring mist,
probably, aka the Foggy Moss,and it's been often.
(05:12):
This distillery has beenshrewded in mystery.
This whiskey is an exceptional.
It's very smooth and it's justa top class stuff.
So it's kind of like, if youknow, you know.
So we're going to try someAltmore 12 year old today while
we talk.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Okay, yes, definitely for me on the Bucky Road.
Then, alright, here comes a nip.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Oh, here we got a two bottle pop A BP, those kind of
scary.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Spooky bottle, pop, spooky pop.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Okay, alright, so we have our glasses.
Let's do a little cheers.
How's that for Scary let's?
We're going to have a quick siphere.
It smells really nice.
The nose on this is quite sweet.
(06:08):
Very vanilla, very rich vanillasweetness.
It just ought right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
What's the ABV on that?
Because it's not 46.
Yes, that's the lower part.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
We will check back with this.
I'm gonna open up.
I think it actually couldprobably use a little bit of
time.
I think it'll open up nicely.
That's what I think of thefirst taste.
Okay, well, while we do that,why don't you talk?
Yeah, lead us through what we,who we talking with distillery,
we go on to first.
Hey, bush Mills, you ever beenthere?
Not physically, but and spendit.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
It's weird, I'm always there, okay, wow.
Well, this first story He'll issome star-crossed lovers.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
We love a star-crossed lovers.
Yeah Well, everything be okayfor them in the end.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well, no, it's a tragic tale, okay, but let's,
let's travel back to to bushMills before.
It is what we know it now.
Does that make sense?
Well, I just said it's kind ofFrench Roundabout way, get that?
So the small village of bushMills, set on the banks of the
river bush, is the oldestworking distillery in Ireland.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Okay, We'll fight about that later.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
It's been operating for more than 400 years, so sure
it has its fair share of ghosts, and the distillery is home to
the gray lady the great or gray,what do you say?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Gray the color, gray, gray, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Most are always gray Gray.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But it's always a gray lady.
How did you say a great lady?
A great lady Doesn't sound muchdifferent.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
A great, a great.
Don't make me start that theAaron and Aaron argument again
with you.
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Sounds the same when you say it Well.
It sounds the same when you saygray and gray.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Well, she was a great gray lady.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Okay, okay, good.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And numerous employees spotted her over the
years.
So it has actually been asettlement since the 12th
century.
Bush mills the area.
So back in the day there waslots of mills along the river
bush the Brits corn mills, flax,timber, paper mills and
numerous distilleries.
(08:25):
So it was a wee spot andeventually a community kind of
grew together in the 1800s.
It's this very thrivingcommunity and people started
traveling there for tourismbecause it's not far from
Giant's Causeway and it had alot of what happened in there A
lot of people doing itreproducing, because you
(08:46):
expanded.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
You said it just draws people.
Yeah, that's where my mind went.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
You've got sex in the brain today.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I don't know what.
What's wrong with you?
Oh the horny ghosts.
Yeah, you're right, that'sprobably what started it.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
No, I'm just thinking about Ghostbusters.
For that scene it was when they, yeah, the when he's getting a
blowjob off a ghost.
Oh, I know that delayed scene.
No, I don't.
Well, I didn't know what, Idon't know what.
The deleted scene?
Well, it wasn't on TV becauseobviously I had it taped off the
tail.
Of course, I was a wee girl andI never knew this scene was in
it until, like, probably in thelast 10 years or something like
(09:22):
that.
And there's a scene wherewhat's his name, what's the
guy's name?
Bill Murray?
No, dan Ackroyd, the best one,the best one, and he's like
sleeping and he's dead.
Oh, oh, he's down on him.
Shit, I don't know that.
Okay, so it wasn't loud inItaly, in the UK, this is true.
We'll put a link in Vile, it istrue.
(09:44):
Okay, we'll put a link in theshow notes.
Six of Ghosts.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I just thought you meant like when they're getting,
when they get stuff shot out ofthem, it's very, you know, you
know, suck Anyways, continueAnyways.
Six of Ghosts, she's like.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Anyway, let's get back to the serious bushmills
here.
So in bushmills, the village,there was a couple that lived
across the road from thedistillery called George and
Margaret Mags George, and theywere a retired couple, very
devoted, happy couple, who justwanted a quiet life, like they
(10:18):
couldn't be bothered by allthese tourists coming in, going
to visit Giant's Causeway andhanging out at the distilleries
and that Like this is their tune, yeah, like they just wanted to
chill and have their nice timestogether.
They were always seen together.
They were never apart, apartfrom when George would take the
redog for a walk at night.
So he would head out, walk alongthe river bush and then wander
(10:42):
into the distillery because itdidn't have like big fences
around or whatever like securitylike it does now, like people
could wander in and out of it,and that was he's route.
He did every night, so healways went the same way.
And one night he went for hisusual walk and Margaret was
waiting, waiting.
He never came back Over an hourshe's still waiting and then
(11:04):
she heard some scratching,scratching at the door.
She opened the door.
It was the be-dog.
He came back without, without,without George, without.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
George.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
George.
Where is he?
Where is he?
George is missing.
So Margaret in a panic nowobviously he's off with one of
the tourists.
Could be.
Yeah, that's why they hate them, that's true.
So Margaret was off, grabbed herlike we candle torch guy off,
she went out into the night tosearch for him.
She's banging on all theneighbours doors.
(11:37):
They never seen George and someof them had, because they all
know each other.
So we tune and the lastsighting was of him wandering
into the distillery and then noone saw him again.
So she's wandering around thedistillery grounds hunting for
him.
She opens one of the doors tothe distillery, gets in there.
She's wandering around all thefloors with her little candle
(11:59):
trying to find him and he's nothere.
She had to give up, go home.
But the next night she went outhunting for him again the same
route that no George.
The next night and the next andthe next the same.
She never gave up looking forhim.
She did live a long life,weren't she?
Eventually, when she passedaway, there was some unusual
(12:23):
happenings when she died aroundthe distillery.
Just her searchin' still.
Where could he be?
Where could he be, george?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
He's like I've had enough of this shit.
He had to Canada or something,I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Oh, poor Margaret, so poor Margaret.
So poor Margaret.
She's still wandering around.
So people have felt a hand ontheir shoulder when they're in
the distillery, cold flash orthem while they're wandering
around the warm areas of thedistillery doors that are
heavily bolted, normally leftopen.
You know spooky stuff, and somepeople have actually even seen
(13:01):
a figure of a woman in a shawlwith her little candle, torch
thing or lantern thing in thecorners of the distillery.
Spooky Ooh.
So she's wandering theremoaning and wailing, searching
for George, people hear hermoaning and wailing too.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, she's one for the dramatic.
She's never gone over it.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
She never got over it .
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, I would be pissed.
I'd be pissed and sad, likewhere the fuck did he go?
I know so would she Right?
I mean, we had to take care ofthis place by myself now, maybe
with a note, but then maybe hedid die, maybe he like fell in a
still and got like, or I knowthat people would find him.
What happened?
What happened to George George?
I think he fell in the river.
You think he maybe fell in theriver?
Yeah, maybe.
That's a good, that's a logicalexplanation, very good.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Very good.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Well, that was a really good story for really bad
for her old marriage, or Meg.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Should.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Maggie, maggie, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Um, let's get on to our next story, shall we?
Yeah, let me have a piece ofthe last one.
Okay, cheers to George and Meg.
This one's for Max.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
It's really sweet actually.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It is, we're kind of casks, we're kind of casks of
the years here.
I think it's just a must beAmerican oak.
I think it's just like maybedoesn't really say what.
We're just assuming it'sAmerican oak.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
It's cannot like.
It's sweet and floral and andvery easy to drink.
And yeah it's actually I'd justsay that's lovely, that is
quite a lovely smooth and clean.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So next up we are going to continue our tour of
Ireland here, because we'reheaded now to Kilbegan, which
you know has a little beef withbushmills, perhaps because,
because, although bushmillsmaybe technically had the first
license bestowed upon them byKing James I in 1608 to distill,
(15:00):
because you had to have alicense to distill, yeah, they
had to register, but they didn'tregister to trade until the
late 18th century.
So meanwhile, kilbegan, theywere distilling before that.
So I don't know what the, thehang up was bushmills, but we're
busy.
Yeah, tourism, they had to tryto find George then.
(15:22):
So, kilbegan, they I mean theycall themselves the oldest
working distillery.
Because of that, certainly oneway We'll have to fight, yeah,
fight, I'm going to get my sword.
So the also but they would,they do have is the oldest
(15:42):
working pot still for sure, it'sover 250 years old.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
They still use that bad boy yeah, it's called
usually have a name Old timer.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Old potty and they're hot head.
So, anyways, the founder,matthew McManus.
He started distilling there in1757.
He was a good year and hisfamily kept the distillery for
over 100 years before it waspassed on to John Locke.
Not to be confused with thephilosopher or well lost, which
(16:14):
he was probably named after, thephilosopher and and doctor
physician, oh my God, you knowJohn Locke.
Hey the philosopher.
No, I only know John Locke fromlost.
Yeah, they probably named JohnLocke from lost after the actual
major John Locke, I imagine.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Well, I like to imagine that there's an episode
that never been out of lost,where John Locke traveled back.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And it was actually based off of John Locke, the
distiller.
Coming up next is John Lockecrise.
Well, maybe there's some lostfootage out there somewhere.
So, on the cutting room floorLask, we'll call, we'll call,
we'll call the lost people.
Um, you get on that Okay, so,uh, but it's very Kilbegin was
very much, very much part of theof the community, like even, I
think um, they credit uh,matthew McMadis from almost
(16:55):
having the very first like acrowdfunding project because one
of the major components oftheir still broke and the whole
town but pitched the moneytogether so he'd get it fixed so
that it wouldn't haltproduction.
They were all probably drunksand they're like we need, you
know, keep making whiskey here.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I wonder what the parameters were around that let
you get one B-dram for every twopaints or something you know
how.
There's like tears when you doyour credit card.
I'm not sure I wouldn't havehad tears.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Maybe he started we'll have to look more into
this tear system.
Um, they also came together.
There was a actual a uh a bigmass of fire in 1878 and they,
all you know, cause alcohol andfire.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
It's flammable, not good, not good.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So, they were.
They were rolling out barrelsout of there, saving all the
whiskey, risking their lives forthe whiskey, mm, hmm, and uh
and yeah.
So that's just to show you howimportant the skill bag in the
distillery was, um, but now forthe haunting.
So there was a like a, a, um,an abbey nearby, uh, and you
know lots of monks hangingaround.
So there's always been multiplesightings of monk ghosts.
(17:58):
Monks love a drink.
They do love a drink.
You know they brought, theybrought distillation to Western
Europe, to Ireland, mm, hmm,right To Ireland.
I think I bumped them like that.
It was a ghost, um.
They brought it from, uh, fromthe what was at the time called
as like Mesopotamia, which islike Iraq now, that area.
(18:18):
They used it just to still makelike medicine and and and you
know perfumes.
Yeah, they brought thattechnology.
Then monks did that, brought itback to Western uh, you know
Europe.
And then Ireland and Scotlandwere like oh, we have lots of
barley kicking around, let'sjust still it's still that shit.
And then whiskey was born.
Technically, I mean, there's abit of an argument of who
invented it first Ireland andScotland, right, technically
(18:42):
there's a record of Irelandhaving it first.
Look, it's a good job with pals, that's what.
What's that?
It's a good job with pals.
It's a good job with pals?
Yeah, scotland, ireland, yeah,they are, but this is.
But then it's got to say someheard them say.
Sometimes they say okay, maybeIreland discovered it, but we
perfected it.
Uh, so maybe we'll just let thatlie.
We have to be.
That's not something we'retalking to.
(19:03):
Yeah, we're not doing it.
I just want to talk about monks, really Monks, yeah.
So anyways, there's monks,ghosts, monk ghosts, which I'm
not a fan of.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I hate their hair costs.
Yeah, boldly hate the, the, the, the fire, the type of.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, I wonder why they do that, I don't know.
Oh baby, they probably.
Maybe.
Maybe they want their head nocloser to God, but then some
people want higher the hair, thecost of the God.
That's like Texas, is You'reright.
So what is it?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, is that hair?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
God, Less more hair to God.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I don't know, but no wonder that we are hood, that
cat called cold, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So anyways, I'm just imagining these.
You know, um, monty Python, askmonks in ghost form, like
smacking their head with theirbibles, just run straight to the
battle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So all very scary stuff, um andthere's also there's also lots
of um, apparently, in thedistillery.
There's lots of murmuring andwhispering going around here.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Gossip ghosts, gossip girl, gossip ghosts.
Ghosts are like it's so, it'sso, gossip Ghosts.
Did you see what was there?
It's a real, it's a real treat.
Did he even wash that wall inhis hair?
See, that's a thing.
Yeah, so gossip, gossip ghosts.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And um, and also there's been um uh sightings of
Mr Matthew McManus himselfkicking around the distillery.
I think these, the originaldistiller's, like to kick around
.
They want to grow micromanagers, micromanagers.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Still still think of the big man yeah.
Right no one does it right.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Uh and so, uh, and I think you, I think you mentioned
I know you don't think youmentioned it, but you told me
before we started recording uh,ghost hunters, you know the show
ghost hunters.
Yeah, yeah, they visited.
They did visit Kilbegin andthey were like whoa, lots of
activity here, so something'shappening at Kilbegin.
So if you go there, look outfor ghosts, yeah, Ghosts of all
kind, Wonder, wonder.
(21:03):
Oh, a monk ghost.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
A monk ghost?
Mm-hmm, you're fancy that,that's all.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Uh, and that is uh briefly a start of Kilbegin,
there we go.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Let's have another sip, okay.
So two, one, two, three, okay,okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,
okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,okay, okay.
So that's the sentence you needto solve whatever the monkey is
, thanks.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So boots and vines, yeah, you guys be well.
Hey, yeah you guys.
Okay, it's a good meal, okay,okay, slippery For yoga.
No ус, you have no motto, anywish In therain for only the
junk food.
No Djoey.
Bon Appétit, uh楽ry.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I know.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I have more Okay let's get on to you.
Have another story for us.
That's yummy.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I really like that.
Yeah, down the hatch, down thehatch.
Okay, I'm just going to touchon one.
Okay, tomatoes and distillery,and you've mentioned it before.
Actually, I don't think it wason the pod, but it was on our
Instagram.
See the Kuba can?
Oh, the kabokan.
Yes, do you remember what itmeans A ghost dog?
It means ghost dog in Gaelic.
(22:16):
So while spatting distillerymay not be haunted by a human,
it does have some spookyactivity going on.
So the legend has it that thelast wolf in Scotland was
actually killed near thedistillery and it now haunts the
grounds Like you killed thelast wolf.
(22:36):
Yeah, we don't have any, likecrazy animals, just ghost wolves
only yeah, but apparently it'sbeen seen hunting its prey and
then, as it's about to attack,it transforms into a blue, smoky
cloud.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Oh, that's not a very effective in catching prey.
No, but isn't that scary.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Very spooky.
Imagine it was running at you,about to attack you, and then
it's right in front of you andyou're like I just blew myself.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Sorry, that's from that's from fucking.
That's from, uh, resteddevelopment, oh well, from all
my rest of develop fans outthere.
You know, tobias, he paintshimself blue and he thinks I
just blew myself.
Oh, anyways, that's funnythat's funny.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I wish I'd seen it.
Maybe one day, maybe one day.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Funny, that's kind of like it's a good show.
It's on Netflix.
Do you want to hear oh, youknow what last time?
Pam's having a little chuckle.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Just like me plugging Netflix.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Netflix.
They need all the help they canget.
So last time we did this, uh,this um, scary, spooky episode,
I read some old newspaperclippings from this book called
the Dead Distillers by, and Idid this last time I didn't have
it ready to go to tell you whatthe author of this book is, so
(24:00):
I'm gonna look for that rightnow.
So, yeah, so the book is calledDead Distillers, by Collins
Spoilman and David Haskell fromKings County Distillery the
history of upstarts and outlawswho made American spirits.
So, uh, there's there's hereout, there's just there's a
(24:21):
throughout the book.
There's just these newspaperclippings riddled with people
that have died due to being inthe distillery world, whether in
an, in a distillery or whatwe'll see here shortly because
they had a distillery.
So this particular, uh, thisparticular news, um clipping is
from the Highland Weekly Newsfrom Hillsborough, ontario, in
(24:44):
May 27th Ontario.
Uh, oh, did I say HillsboroughOhio?
Oh, my gosh, he's like Canadian, I don't know why I said
Ontario.
Uh, may 27th 1869.
So on Saturday night, an armedband of disguised men stopped
the train from Louisville toMemphis and attempted to murder
internal revenue officer Han,who had a prisoner on board,
(25:07):
arrested for running an illicitdistillery bandits.
Bandits were trying to rescuetheir still their friend, yeah
Han's assistant, named unknown,jumped from the train, was fired
on by the band and was seenfalling.
So I think he died.
Mr Han fired into the gang,killing one of them.
The others poureda volley intothe train, fortunately without
(25:28):
injuring anyone.
The train was immediately putinto motion.
The last scene of the band theywere making their way for the
woods bearing their comrade, andthe band was supposed to be to
belong to a gang engaged inillicit distilleries extending
from east Tennessee toMississippi.
So it, uh, you know it was adangerous game back then and
(25:49):
even now.
But right, those bandits, thosebandits, those trains out at
what a, what a?
That's like a scene from thewild west.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, that's right, I'm not showing too.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, so that's one story from the dead distillers,
but now it's a great book.
Yeah, it's really interesting.
Um, there's some reallyinteresting female stories that
we'll have to get into at somepoint for the show.
Yeah, there's one called likemoonshine maggie or something.
She sounds great fun.
I know right, I want to befriends with moonshine maggie.
But let's now dive into anotherdistillery.
(26:20):
We're already talking aboutKentucky here.
Um, just in that clip there,and we're gonna head to Kentucky
now for our next story.
Let's do it, uh, in a in adistillery called old forester.
Old forester, yes, yes, um, Ihave an old forester myself.
It's a Subaru 2005.
It's actually quite great.
(26:42):
Um, it's always diggingsomething don't you know?
well, no, no, that one actuallymy newer for a Subaru means the
work.
The old forester has been great, so good, yeah, yeah, so, um,
old forester.
It's spelled differently though, but anyways, let's talk about
old forester in Louisville.
Yeah, in 1870 it was started by,uh, george Garvin Brown and it
reopened in a new location justrecently, in 2018, in a uh, a
(27:05):
former site of this legendaryhotel called the galt host sorry
, this is hard for me to saygalt house hotel, which opened
in 1835.
So this hotel was quite famous.
It opened or it hosted thelikes of, um, charles Dickens,
big names, big celebs, yep.
Also US Sees S Grant Ulysses,yep, yep.
(27:28):
And Mr Abraham Lincoln Kind ofa big deal.
Kind of a big deal, yeah.
So those are just the type ofpeople that were meandering the
halls of this hall of this galthouse hotel.
I see it's all, yeah, celebscentral.
This is like the Chelsea Hotelin New York or perhaps the
(27:48):
Beverly Hills.
What is it called?
The?
What is the one in?
Speaker 2 (27:52):
LA the Beverly Hills.
I think it's the Beverly Hills,I think it's called.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, anyways, anyway .
So this is all the site ofmurder most foul, oh shit.
So there's a couple of famousmurders that happened in where
now the distillery resides.
Union General Jefferson C Davisshot and killed William General
Wait Shot and killed GeneralWilliam Nelson after they were
(28:20):
drinking and had Willie Nelson.
Willie Nelson, I didn't thinkof that.
Well must be.
Well, maybe that was his greatgrandfather or his dad or
something.
I don't know how old is WillieNelson?
Pretty old, he's an old guy,but like he's still kicking it
Pretty good.
Yeah, maybe he's haunting it,maybe that.
Yeah, maybe he's a ghost.
(28:40):
Anyway, so they, he killed theguy after an argument, a heated
argument, just got, you know,trigger happy there.
Nice job, jefferson.
And then also, this one's alittle bit more tragic.
It's a pregnant mistress shother baby daddy for not
acknowledging the paternity ofher unborn babies.
(29:01):
Willie deserve it.
He's really pissed.
Yeah, you know, apparently hewas a well-to-do man.
I can't remember his name atthe time, but his ghost is
apparently seen walking aroundthat area with his top hat and
cane and his gold tipped caneStill being a fancy bastard, Yep
still him being a little dandy,yeah, so old forester, yeah,
(29:25):
and there's a security guard toowho told the tale.
He's I don't know if he's thereanymore, but recently he talked
about how he saw, basically, youknow, the classic.
You see, an old man wearing,you know, like the traditional
garb of the times, like you know, mid-set or turn of the century
type of outfits, and long beard, mustache.
(29:47):
He saw this guy.
He got on the elevator and hewas just standing there staring
at him and then he just kind ofdisappeared and he ended up
seeing this guy every day forthe next week and he could never
see it on the cameras.
Like they went back to checkand it wasn't.
He didn't show up on thecameras, I know, and yeah,
there's also like just whethertourists or other workers, they
(30:09):
see, just goes the classicwalking through walls and into
barrels and to barrels, yeah,drinking, drinking whiskey
bottles.
Someone's reported a poor ghosttrying to get a drink.
Oh, bottle is closed.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I think I told you before because I've seen a
couple of the list when I was ateenager and one of the ones was
was a really old man.
It looked like a sailor orsomething, oh really, and he was
staring out a window and therewas a table that wasn't really
there.
But I saw this table with a bigdecanter on it and he had this
(30:45):
teeny, tiny little glass and hepoured from the decanter into
the glass and took a sip andjust stared out the window.
I literally was a little kidand I just looked out of her
mind and my cupboards saw it andthen just like closed my eyes
and filled the cupboards over myhead.
It was like go away go away.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
You think you were dreaming.
No, you saw that I was a spookykid.
That's so spooky.
I don't like that.
I don't like that at all.
But yeah, I mean, there's Idon't know how many, how many
stories now we have of just youknow, oh, there's these ghosts
walking into the walls, into thebarrels, and just like this
just seems to be.
(31:19):
That's a right for the ghostsare right for the picket and
distilleries.
We're finding.
Yeah, yeah, do you.
So that's, that's fourdifferent stories, two from
Ireland, two from the States.
Yeah Right, Goose garen,they're all over the place.
Do you think there's a ghosthere now?
Yeah, so I have one more.
(31:52):
It isn't necessarily ghoststories, more on the macabre
side.
Let's eat it.
So this also came from the DeadDistillers book that I
mentioned previously.
And have you ever heard of theBoston molasses explosion?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I've heard of the Boston Tea Party, but not the
Boston molasses explosion.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Well, get ready to hear about it, because it's
actually quite horrifying.
Okay, so there was this wasduring the early 1900s, during
kind of the end of World War One, and they stored at this
distillery 2.3, I believe,million tons of molasses that
(32:32):
they used to not only makeethanol they can use it for
drinks but it was used forammunition, like making
ammunition for the war.
So they had 2.3 million gallonsof this stuff that was recently
delivered and was stored inthis big vat and then all of a
sudden it just somethinghappened and the structure
(32:54):
failed and it just came like awall of molasses down into the
town below and essentially likewe're talking four-foot-high
molasses, Like lava, Like well,I think it must have been.
They kept it warm so that itcould be easier to manipulate
and use, because it gets hard,but I think like a few dozen
(33:17):
people died, drowned, justpummeled, because it's like kind
of molasses.
Yeah, Can you find it Like?
Can you think of a worse way togo?
Drowning in molasses, Sticky,Sticky, and then just the rescue
missions getting people out,and yeah, it just.
There's actually a picture.
You can see pictures of theafter effects here or the after.
(33:39):
So, yeah, if you can imagine atidal wave.
It's of 2.3 million gallons ofmolasses, 25 feet high actually,
and traveling 35 miles an hour.
When it hit, especially, therewas a young girl that was hit
right away, Maria.
And oh man, everything was justcrushed.
Everything became debris,reduced to sticks, because that
(34:00):
amount of force and theviscosity of molasses just oh my
gosh.
So here's tsunami.
There it is, there it is.
Yep, Let me see, We'll put apicture you can link to of the
molasses explosion Shut up.
Look at that.
Yeah, and apparently yeah.
Apparently, to this day, inthat part of town in Boston,
(34:24):
people still report smellingmolasses on a hot summer's day.
Right, right, yeah.
So distilling dangerousbusiness?
Sure does.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Hail to safety.
Wow, so distillery work.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Spooky business, spooky business, yep, and you
know, I guess, if anyone who hasany stories with distillery,
please let us know.
Email us.
Yes, we love them.
We love them.
We want more.
We want more, exactly so finalthoughts on our whiskey that
we're drinking today ourultramar.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I actually really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I think it's a really nice strap, I think if you're
looking for a nice classic, easyto see, a nice space-side
whiskey, this is a greatrepresentation of a space-side.
It's 46% too, so it's not youknow.
It's taking itself prettyseriously and I just love
whoever the writer is for theircopy.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
They've got a creative writer in the ice for
sure.
Yeah, it's really nice.
Bucky road Tornups to the BuckyRoad, please.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I will take a dip of the Bucky Road.
Thank you, so yeah.
So well done ultramar.
Well done you two.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
You're good, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I guess that wraps up our episode.
I guess season two, episodenine, no idea, it's nine, I
think.
Speak back, it is going to beback.
We took you know what lifecomes at you hard, sometimes you
gotta, sometimes it doesn'tcome at you like a wall of
molasses.
Actually, wall molasses in thiscase came at you really fast,
(36:03):
pretty accurate, yeah, it cameat you fast.
So molasses not always the bestanalogy for something that goes
slow, because, see Boston,molasses explosion.
Anyways this outro is justlosing it's and end and end.
So no, we gotta say thank youto the creator of our theme song
(36:24):
.
Stir Bob In, for this Is theLife.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Make sure you subscribe to us whenever you get
your podcasts and follow us onInstagram dramfinepodcast Cheers
, gang cheers gang.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Mmm, that was really scary.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, you should put the question at the end of this.
I've got all done here, in casemy boss wants to.
Yes, yes, yes, okay, high pageje各.
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