November 8, 2024 • 54 mins
Imagine navigating the complex world of child support and legal systems with newfound clarity and empowerment. Lonnell TJ Tillman joins us to unravel his incredible story of legally dismissing his child support case after 22 challenging years. Discover the crucial difference between administrative and judicial hearings, and gain insights into how understanding these distinctions can significantly alter your approach to such legal matters. We also touch on unique community perspectives, like those of the Amish, to illustrate how different legal standings can influence these interactions.
Explore the labyrinth of legal jurisdiction, birthrights, and the subtle power of legal language with us. Lonnell delves into the concept of "general appearance" and its profound implications within court proceedings. We also explore the hidden ramifications of signing documents, like the acknowledgment of paternity, and their ties to broader government contracts. This episode emphasizes the importance of reclaiming personal sovereignty by understanding the origins of legal terms and recognizing inherent rights that some systems might overlook.
Finally, we tackle the financial and systemic issues embedded in child support systems, scrutinizing how programs like TANF might inadvertently perpetuate biases, especially against marginalized communities. Our conversation extends into the realm of social media and personal networks, exploring how these platforms can nurture a collective consciousness and sense of purpose. With personal stories and strategic insights, we provide a comprehensive guide to understanding and navigating child support systems, encouraging self-advocacy and informed decision-making within complex legal frameworks.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Peace and love, peace and love.
You're now rocking to thesounds and vibrations of your
boy, don Kalam, and we're herewith the Dream Keepers Radio
Podcast, and I'm in the buildingwith Child Support.
Is Fried, that's all together,correct, yes, sir?
Hey, man, just tell us a littleabout who you are, where you're
from and what you do.
Man, I'm going to tell youright now.
So, like I've heard you, you'vebeen brought up a lot, okay, ok
(00:30):
.
And circles that.
I'm in and then I went to yourpage I said follow back.
I was like that was that.
That meant a lot to me becauseyour name is brought up
everywhere, ok, but yeah, andnow you just pop up all the time
.
I see you in the algorithm now,like you're everywhere, man,
likewise.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I mean for me.
My name is Lonnell TJ Tillman.
I'm from Compton, california.
I am the author of how I StopChild Support Legally.
I represented myself in a twoyear hearing no legal background
and ultimately got my casedismissed for extrinsic fraud
after 22 years.
So you got the, you got thegovernment for fraud.
(00:59):
Yeah, it literally says on mydismissal.
It literally says dismissed forextrinsic fraud.
That's lit.
I've never done anything likethat and and that's and that's
the thing too, like there's alot of people and not to be.
You know it.
Just the facts.
It is what it is.
I don't.
There's a lot of people thatgot their case dismissed, but
before me I don't know a motherthat ain't got their case where
(01:23):
it literally says fraud well, Ijust want you to know.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
In the community I'm in, that's what they teach.
Yeah, it's like, hey, you canget out of this because of fraud
or threat, duress and coercion,tdc.
But I've never seen it, thatwhere they actually say, yeah,
we committed fraud and andthat's, that's the whole part,
right there to where.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And it was actually in their venue.
So just think about this.
You know, I'm sure you know,but child support hearings are
not judicial, they'readministrative.
So in their own administrativehearing they admitted that they
committed fraud.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Wow so like you told me, like you got to come down
here with it, so did do thepeople that you have to come
down.
Do they understand theadministrative hearings and
administrative part?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
some people do, but it's still a learning curve to
where you have to.
A lot of people don't, becausea lot of people just assume that
this is court and I, and whenthey hear me say the fake judge
and they're like fake judge,what do you mean by that?
Wow, and I'm like, well, youactually say I literally, yeah,
I literally, it's a fake judgeso when those is like a trigger
(02:23):
word.
So when, when people like fakejudge what do you mean by fake
judge?
And I say, then I got to breakit down and say, well, look,
family court dealing withcustody, divorce and domestic
violence, that's in family court, that's in a judicial process.
But when you move to childsupport, that's administrative
because that is part of theexecutive branch.
They taught us this in school.
(02:44):
There's three branches ofgovernment.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
There is yes, I totally overstand, because
understand means you stand underthe jurisdiction.
That's the type I study, but welook at everything as
administrative, because ifthere's not a victim, it's not a
crime.
You have your right to face youraccuser, of course.
So it's all administrative.
Everything is trulyadministrative when you
(03:07):
understand business.
Okay, because a constitution islike bylaws for a business and
under 28 USC 2002, the UnitedStates does mean it's a federal
corporation.
It's a corporation, with thatbeing stated, a person is also a
corporation owned by the UnitedStates Federal Corporation.
So when I always went to childsupport support, that's how I
(03:28):
looked at things and I made thechildren my name.
You know, my name's a businessand it'll be doing business as
my children's name, you know.
And I looked, and I look atthings like this because in
other cultures I do tribes andhelp tribes and people like that
.
You have to pay the parents, soyou don't pay taxes because
you're private.
You have to pay the parentsbecause all court is is a tax
(03:50):
court.
When you look at their 28 usc2002, it tells you what court
means.
It says um court.
Is any um court created bycongress other than the united
states tax court?
So if congress didn't givepermission for this court to
exist, it's a tax issue.
So I asked you do youunderstand your charge?
They had a court clerk.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
So now we see it and that's the thing, because, like
there's different and we wastalking off camera, like is
different.
But when you say, what's yourcharge?
Because now, for me, what Ieducate people on is like, ok,
so what is the nature and causeof this action?
Wow, because now we asking thesame question what is the charge
?
Is it administrative, is itjudicial, is it civil, is it
(04:30):
criminal?
Like, what is the nature ofthis cause?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
If you don't have a social security number, like I'm
sure you heard of Amish people,can the courts put Amish people
on child support?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I'm not sure you ever heard of it?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You have people on child support?
I'm not sure you ever heard it.
You have any average clients?
No, because they're.
They don't have a social carenumber.
They're not in that system.
The social care number is apublic trust.
See, I'll just learn something.
And they they're administered,the social security
administration.
You only get to pick yourtrustees and you can only use
this trust for benefits.
Wow, so you have to give thesocial to get the TANF grant,
(05:06):
the TANF block grant, of course,which is a grant, and that's
what forces fathers to pay childsupport.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That's exactly what it is.
And I tell people just go look,don't take my word for it.
Just go to the website and golook at the Department of Health
and Human Services.
Look on their website and lookwhat it says.
Go look at the Department ofHealth and Human Services, look
on their website and look whatit says.
It literally says when you lookat Title four a 1935 Social
Security Act, it literally saysTANF it's a block grant.
(05:33):
So what I did in my hearingthey had this TV screen so I put
the definition what is a grant?
A grant is a gift.
What's the definition of a gift?
A gift is something that'sgiving without any
counterbalancing payment.
So if TANF is a griff is a gift.
Now you did this amendment in1975, which is Title IV D of the
(05:53):
1935 Social Security Act, whichis child support.
How are you forcing parents topay back money that was given as
a grant for free?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
You gave me chills.
Everybody like I got chills.
Hey, you're very enlightenedman, hey, hey wow but so what
I'm just wanting to tell you.
So what just stuck me for asecond is like do you think
putting father on on childsupport is healthy?
Because you said department ofhealth bro no, I'm like wow,
(06:26):
it's not healthy, because I wantyou to know is.
So I look at it, because thedivisional family courts
division, they divide um.
Family means bondage or servinganyways.
People don't know that it'syour clan.
So if you said it was your claninstead of family, you'd be
under a different jurisdiction.
It might sound crazy.
And then the documents we useis the birth certificate and
then that social security use isthe birth certificate and then
that social security number.
(06:46):
That's how they're garneringyour wages for the fathers facts
.
So those are contracts, that'syou know.
It's fika, a fika tax and a lotof women.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
They they jumped on my head about this because I
said had I known what I knowtoday, I wouldn't have signed my
children's birth certificates,I wouldn't even participate, I
wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So I help people.
Here's what I help people doBecause you know the sole of
your foot, they stamp it onthere.
So that's your sole.
Yeah, they stamp your sole.
You know anything that getsdelivered is property, you know,
and we go by this name.
That's why I said trademark.
We do trademark it, but you goand control what you create.
So the name was given to you,then it was given to the state.
But, yeah, signature is a signof nature.
(07:32):
We always autograph thingsbecause we're the celebrity.
They need us.
They need us to move forward.
So we are creators.
If you go through with a babyland deed and move differently
with the hospital, there'ssomething called public practice
and private practice.
You know, attorneys haveprivate practices, they have
public practices and when you'retaking Medicaid, they public
practicing on your ass.
(07:57):
I just I mean, I'm not going toget too deep on his podcast
because we're focused on childsupport and I want to know
everybody.
I do love you all.
I love everybody, but I'm tiredof y'all with child support.
Come on, love y'all.
I love everybody, but I'm tiredto help y'all with child
support.
Who called my phone?
I found somebody for you.
He's.
He's that.
He's the one.
He's like neo in the matrixwhen it comes to this shit.
He's surgical with this shit.
Jake and and I caught that.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
that's gonna go up a lot of people here, but I caught
that.
So for me I take it back to thebeginning, to the origin, and
because I challenged theirjurisdiction from the very
beginning.
So they said you made generalappearances and I said, well,
you never even had jurisdictionover me in the first place.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I saw that word, general appearance.
So you know, I teach people tochallenge jurisdiction through a
special appearance, of course,and that was the first time I
seen.
Listen, I've been studying lawall my life, really, but deep.
Since 17, okay, since I've been17, so 20 years, man, I've been
studying law.
Before I started learning aboutthe council, I was just doing
codes and statutes, but, bro,I've never seen general
(08:55):
appearance.
I've seen it on your page, wow,and I started looking at it and
studying it.
Because, because, as a minister, because people don't know the
bible is a fact in the courtroomand then they make you cuss or
swear upon, oh, oh oh, and the.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Here's the quote I just want to tap in before I
forget it.
You said the bible is part ofthe judicial system.
Yes, but when you use anythingpertaining to the bible in this
court system, they're going totell you that it doesn't apply.
But what did they do?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
they had you swear before God because you swear
means the curse, so they had youcurse your own God.
So they know you're dealingwith this.
And then the birth certificateis putting you at a slave status
is still Roman law and canonlaw, ecclesiastes.
You know, the judges get theirpower from canon law all the way
to the pope.
The pope wears the white robe,they wear the black robes.
That's called a mourning robebecause you're dead.
(09:46):
When you come in they say allrise, and you stand up.
You just gave them power.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You fall under their jurisdiction Because you're now
making a general appearancebecause you recognize our
authority there.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
you go there, you go, so I want you to know if you
look up the Genesis.
I believe it's the story.
Esau gave up his birthrightsfor food.
That is what you do with foodstamps You've given up your
birthrights and now you'reputting the father on food child
support.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Food stamps triggers this.
So here's what I was going tosay as far as like with the
beginning it starts in ahospital.
So just say, for instance, whenyou know you, when you have
your child, after you know thatquiet time, you get the hour to
bond in time and everything'scool.
And here come that lady withthat clipboard and she's handing
no rush, take your time.
She just handed you theacknowledgement of paternity,
(10:40):
which is a dual contract withthe state birth record agencies
and child support services.
It literally says that on thedocument, but we don't read it.
We don't read it.
It literally says beforesigning this document, you may
want to seek legalrepresentation.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I don't get chills on podcasts.
So much Are you a spiritual.
You believe in somethinggreater than yourself, truly
because God's speaking, brother,I do believe in God.
Yes, I do.
You know, demographics is thegraph of demons.
That's what they.
The state is invisible lines,brother.
So you know, you're fightingdemons.
You get some dominion over theearth.
That's why they make you swearon the Bible.
You're handing over all yourbirthrights, man.
(11:15):
So that's what you're fightingfor.
You're fighting for people'sbirthrights, whether you you
realize it or not.
I don't know if you realizethat.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
To this I mean, I, my favorite saying is prosperity
is your birthright.
I teach people the truth butyou say, oh, you know, I will
still cut your ass out.
Yeah, right, so but when in inthe hospital, when you sign that
acknowledgement of CFR 303.5says that at a minimum they must
give you the full disclosuresof entering into this contract.
(11:52):
They must give you the legalconsequences of establishing
voluntary paternity.
What are the legal consequencesof establishing voluntary
paternity?
License suspensions, passportincome withholding order order,
bank levies, liens,incarceration, putting it on
your credit report but here'sthe thing, that's it they
outline it.
It says they must give younotice orally, in person, by
(12:15):
video or audio.
They must do this at a minimum.
I don't know if you ever had achild and you was in a hospital.
You signed that acknowledgementof paternity in a hospital or
you took a DNA test at a childsupport agency.
Whenever paternity isestablished, they must someone
had to literally say before yousign this you are agreeing to
(12:37):
license passport income all ofthese things that's what the
fire calls into play, right?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
So if you don't get those disclosures, a spent
passport, all of these thingsyou got the fire, then that's
where the fire comes into play,right, exactly so if you don't
get those disclosures.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Wow, Paternity was never established and they must
establish paternity in order tomove forward to open a child
support case.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
You're getting this.
He's listening, man.
If y'all didn't understand whathe had said, I'm going to need
y'all to wind that back into hisset listening out and take
notes, because this should bedone in a private with a private
consultation.
He's just giving you thisinformation.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And that's just for your community.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I mean, yes, man, common unity.
They're here to divide.
That's their job.
They're doing their job.
So you need to understand whatyour job is.
Now I did.
We did talk about the they'recalled franchise words Cause you
know they use blacklawsictionary and other legalese
.
So a parent is a parent whorents Okay, child or children
that's property of a corporation.
You're either the mother or thefather.
(13:28):
That's your son or yourdaughter.
They always say that's yourchild or your children.
They always say that's theparent.
Wow, these are franchise words.
So you know that's like gettingout that pro se jurisdiction
and using sui juris.
When I started know that's likegetting out that pro se
jurisdiction, using sui juris, Ilearned when I started studying
sui juris I I found it first inthe sixth amendment.
(13:48):
But it's your right to contractsaying you have your right and
sound mind.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
You know, because you said that's how you, you, you
proceed yeah, and and that's thething, dog, like you have to be
able to, and that's my thing islike just just educating our
people, because there's manypeople that that go through
these processes and don't have aclue on how to get started,
what to do.
(14:11):
So for me, as I've took on aresponsibility to educate our
people, like, look, these is theprocess of this is what they
must do, this is how I getstarted and this is how I
protected myself in this fakevenue.
I can't what you do with that.
(14:31):
That's on you.
I'm making the informationavailable.
So once it's available, youcan't say that the information
is not present and that'spowerful.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
He said he took on the responsibility.
I mean, it's a hugeresponsibility.
I don't like it.
So it's like.
No, for real it is.
So it's like I did come in tolike I was on the that flavor
flay fight the power.
Let's go fight the power, right, right.
And then didn't, nobody,they'll think you're crazy.
They think you're crazy.
And then I learned how to justmake it commercial, you know,
(15:01):
yeah, and get paid off it.
But, um, in the beginning it wasalways to try to wake the
people up.
But you have to throw yourlittle shade, throw your little
twist.
Of course, keep yelling andscreaming until people listen to
take you seriously, work forfree so you can get referrals.
Of course you know, and it'sit's.
He took all the responsibilityto do that and I'm saying this
is no easy task.
But, um, it's a beautiful thingthat you're doing it, because
(15:23):
you're a melanated brother,you're a melanated man and it's
crazy.
Here's why I admire you.
I've been incarcerated, I'vebeen through a lot of shit, and
it's when the melanated brotheris quick to start beef or beef
with someone who looks like him.
But as soon as somebody puts arobe on or a different, suit on
(15:45):
yeah, yeah, you scared you won'tstand up to him.
But as soon as, but when you,when you get the courage to
stand up, it's going to changethe game.
I'm not saying stand up to thepolice, because that's a little
bit different, but when youstand up to the judges man, it's
a different game, or?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
game changer or fake judges in in.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Judges in here well, they're all fake judges.
Yeah, so, so.
So, through my study andresearch this is my knowledge,
belief we're not licensedattorney, attack tax experts.
We do this for educationalentertainment purposes, only
facts.
So when the every they'resupposed to have an oath of
office on the record.
So they do that through thesurrogate, through through the
surrogates, um, because you dead, they're administering your
(16:23):
will and trust.
There's never an office on thecriminal side, civil side, it's
all through probate courtprobate.
Wow, yeah, does that make sense?
Yeah, it does, because if youhave your estate established, it
bypasses probate.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
It bypasses.
Yeah, so that's why it's calledprobation.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Probation means to bring action to action, to the
administering the trust.
Everything is trustadministration.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
They're trustees, they're public trustees, right
when you go to jail, you're atrustee, of course of course it,
it, it makes sense and that'swhy, like that's once I I seen
your page and I I startedlooking at the videos and I'm
looking, I'm like this brotherhe's off top is just like I get
(17:07):
it and I said he's taking itfrom a different angle, but I
get exactly, it's just a higherlevel of education yours is too,
and I and I admire it.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So, just you knowing there's not very many people I
can talk to that the TANF grantis fraud.
You should not be proud.
Listen because I'm not saying,because I told you.
I said, man, these people aregetting on my nerves so much,
expecting things for free orhandouts, and I'm going to start
helping the children's mother.
I'm going to start helping themothers IRS information,
referring where they work,whatever.
(17:39):
He sell weed on the block.
He said he got it, referringwhere they work, whatever.
Yeah, he's selling weed on theblock.
He said he got it, he got it.
But, um, it's, it's dividingfamilies, man yeah, no, most
definitely, and it's.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
And for a person to come in and say, okay, it's
dividing families, and thenthere's always a well, why are
they doing that?
What is the motive?
My answer I don't.
Again.
I don't deal with opinions, Ionly deal with facts and
evidence.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I like to hear it.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I'll tell you my facts, okay so my facts is, I'm
gonna follow the money now I'mgonna go to 42 usc 658a.
That's incentive payments tostates lit.
So the united states Treasuryor every year, authorizes a
certain amount of money to childsupport to states to find
(18:26):
people guilty in child supporthearings.
So you get an incentive.
What is an incentive?
An incentive is a kickback.
Wow.
So I don't know if peoplenotice, but the year of 2024,
the United States Treasuryauthorized seven hundred and
thirteen million dollars tostates to find people guilty in
child support hearings.
Wow.
(18:47):
So, based on the child supportthey collect, the arrears they
collect, the attorney, theestablishment of paternity,
based on their performance, forthe year of two thousand and
twenty four, they have sevenhundred and thirteen million
dollars that they can tap intofree money, money, oh wow free
money.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
So so I don't.
I do nationality versus color,because color is fictitious in
the courts.
That's how they get rice over.
So would you agree that you'rechocolate on vanilla, right?
Okay?
So here's my facts.
Okay, I have no reason to stuntlie.
Y'all see me right.
So I started studying law, andlet me the markets guard me okay
how there can be no more.
J Edgar Hoover was brought in tomake sure there's not any black
(19:26):
messiah ever in America.
You can kill them and take themout Like it's crazy.
White means purity.
Purity means God, god's supremerule of the land.
People don't know that they'rereally white.
Then the nationality that getsdeep.
That's a whole nother topic,though.
So I just always thought thatthe melanated race was the lost
tribes brother over here, andit's the promised land, it's in
the law, it's just it's our,it's already written it's in the
(19:48):
law, man, I ain't trying.
You know I'm not religious.
I try to sway nobody's beliefs,put it on there.
But, man, that's when.
That's that's what led me tolaw, because I studied with the
moors first.
Yeah, of course, but so youagree that most of your clients
are chocolate people?
Yes.
And so the law is set upagainst melanated men.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
So let me let it most definitely OK.
So let's, let's take it a stepfurther.
I don't do a lot of ads onInstagram or Facebook.
When I did, I did my first adand when you go through
Instagram or Meta it it says doyou want to select your audience
or do you want meta to selectyour audience based on your
content?
I said, nah, well, I'm gonnalet y'all select it.
(20:29):
So I ran the ad.
The ad comes back.
Now I'm looking at the data wow, and I want to see where they
targeted at.
Where was it at?
Chicago, new orleans, brook,orleans, brooklyn, la, all, all
urban area.
So you met us at based on yourcontent.
(20:50):
This, we see.
Your content works best forpeople in these area.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I said, wow you want to know another reason why I get
spiritual, because everybodythat comes across me, and even
my cameraman, can attest thathe's been around me for years.
Um, as I asked him, how did youfollow me?
And a lot of people say I waspraying.
So if you have your phone nearyou, I believe in all of that
stuff.
So you know, you know you waspraying, that you said some
stuff got me in the algorithm.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
No, facts, man.
It happens like that.
Man and and and.
We ain't gonna get into it.
But shortly after someoneintroduced me to you, or not
introduced me to you, theybrought you up to me.
Shortly thereafter I startedseeing content popping up on my
phone.
They definitely listened to us.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Right, right, right, right.
I see your stuff.
I've been talking about you mywhole event, by the way.
The whole weekend I was talkingabout you.
I was like I'm about to do thispodcast I'm, by the way.
The whole weekend I was talkingabout y'all, about this pocket.
I about to meet him.
Um, not everybody knows you,though, but a lot of people do,
and then I'm seeing you'reblowing the fuck up too excuse
my language you're blowing up,man.
You're getting you're gettingthe recognition that you deserve
to be honest with you, becausepeople are not able to, even
(21:56):
because I'm gonna tell you thereason why.
I already know, because this ishow people said we understand
your message, don, but, um, youneed to come down here with it.
You got to come back.
So many people think they'regrowing.
At 14 or 15, that's when theyjump off the porch, you think
they're grown.
Or when you go to jail, or whenyou first have sex, it keeps
you from growth a lot of peoplefrom growth, and that made all
the sense in the world to me,you know.
(22:18):
So, for me there's.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
There's.
When I started doing mystudying, because I was put in a
situation to where I had to goin there and represent myself, I
didn't have the finances tohire an attorney which I'm
thankful that I didn't, becauseI'm glad I didn't back it worked
out for the best.
Yes, um, but I, you know, doingmy research as I'm searching
certain codes, case law, I cameacross this one guy on YouTube
(22:47):
named Rick W, and he he was,he's an ex NYPD police officer.
Wow, and he educated at histime at the department.
He educated the policedepartment on how to stay
compliance with the law, butjust so happened, he got put on
child support.
Wow.
So now he man, he told him abrand new asshole.
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Wow, so he knew the law.
He knew the law because hetaught the department the law
you know most, most policeofficers don't know the law, so
but he did but here's the thing,and it goes back to what you
were saying, the reason why Ibrought that up because a lot of
people that I consult or thatfollow me, they say, yeah, you
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know, I I'm tuned in with rick,but I just I can't relate.
It's like it's it's over myhead right when I seen you like
you articulated in in a way towhere I can understand it.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I'm from the urban area so it's like I it resonated
, it was like it just hit so somy dad you know I grew up
fatherless and stuff my daddidn't wasn't on child support
because he was able to sign uphis rights hmm, now I learned
about rights.
Now you sign up your rightswhen you're on food stamp,
section a.
A lot of people don't know thatit's a certain energy.
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I'm very special, so that wasdefinitely section 8 homes, hud
homes.
They don't have fathers and setup on that energy pattern.
But my dad I used to donateplasma.
I had a rough time on my.
My daddy never asked me to dothat.
He was like quit doing thatshit boy.
He was drunk and shit, but hetaught me I was like.
He never asked me to do that.
He was like quit doing that,shit Boy.
He was drunk and shit, but hetold me I was like.
He never asked me to do nothing.
So I'm going to do it.
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I'm going to quit sellingplasma.
He said that shit ain't goodfor our people.
But I started working there.
But that's when I startedrelating with our people, man.
But St Louis was horrible man.
I was in a.
It was just horrible.
But that's I mean.
Everybody loved me, I couldtalk to everybody and I was with
the Morris and they always tellme teach your people about
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nationality.
Teach your people to know theConstitution and to never put
the Bible down, because a lot ofpeople don't know with law.
The first irrevocable trustthere is in their system is the
Ten Commandments.
That's law.
That's their law.
That's why you never see Jewishpeople really go to jail.
That's private law, none of theTen Commandments.
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When you're under the birthcertificate, now you're under
the closing statutes and thesocial security number.
That trust changes every stateyou go Different jurisdictions,
you're going to be taxeddifferently.
So that's how it works withchild support.
You know yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
And so just to give people, just for the people that
don't know I know you have youraudience is a higher education
audience, but just for thepeople that don't know, I just
want to give you a briefeducation on a child support
system.
So child support started.
So TANF not even TANF the titlefor a of the 1935 Social
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Security Act.
It started in 1935 when theyhad it was around the Great
Depression and women reallycouldn't work in 1935.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
So if a man went, to war and then they was going
through the Great Depression.
Women could not supportthemselves.
So, not to cut you short, sochild support, it starts off.
The Social Security Act, yes.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Wow, it starts.
Yeah, is the 1935 socialsecurity all the sense in the
world title 4a is it comes from?
It was written into law into inthe 1935 social security act
wow, I never knew that.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, it's all tied together.
Yeah, that, yeah, but I neverknew.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I never went back to the root.
It was the, the 1935 SocialSecurity Act, and it was aid for
dependent children.
So it was ADC and I believe itwas like 1962.
They did an amendment becauseit was only for the children.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
And do you know what amendment means?
It means a change Correct.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, exactly the.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Constitution starts at Amendment one, so people
don't even know the Articles ofConfederation or the Bill of
Rights.
Mm, hmm.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah.
And then so in 19, I believe itwas 1962, they did a amendment
to where they added on families.
So it went from ADC to AFDC andthat's when you know it's still
the cash aid, the Medicaid andthe food stamps.
But then as they start lookingat where are we giving out all
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of this free money to?
And then they start to see theystart giving out to a lot of
underprivileged areas andthey're like this is not what we
intended this for.
So then they had to come upwith another amendment to combat
all of this free money that wegiven out.
And that's where Title 4D, akachild support.
Because Title 4D, child support, is a marketing strategy for
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title 4d.
Because it is.
And let me explain that.
Because if I told you, yo donyo, man, you paid your title 4d,
and then you're like title 4d,what is title 4d?
But if I say, man, you ain'tpaid your child support, oh it
is different, it taps into thoseemotions, it's a trigger.
Child support is the marketingstrategy for title 4d.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Title 4d is the enforcement that they go after
non-custodial parents you'rejust getting started, bro yeah I
see great things for you, manman like man, you're in tune,
like a very like.
That's hard work and study man.
Anybody can get it though right, but you put forth, and you put
forth the study man, you haveclarity.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Clarity makes diamonds, bro man, I mean, this
is my life.
And when, when you was forcedto into, when you back yourself
into a corner, you either gonnafold it, you'll come out
swinging I learned because I'mtrying to get a job.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Well, I don't use the word try no more.
What happens if you try to makea church on sunday.
But I was at that point.
You know I'm in the halfwayhouse, I'm I'm looking for a
place, but they're taking moneyout my check.
I gotta pay the halfway house30 and now child support is
garnishing my wages.
So that's when I learned aboutindependent contracting.
So that's and that's when Istarted learning why, why can't
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child support touch me?
Now start learning how to makemy name a business.
Learn how to make checks go tomy name as a business.
That's a bar right there and Itry like Jay Z said it.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
But here's the thing I, when I educate people, again,
I try, I'm conscious enough tonot tether the line of education
and legal advice.
What you just said was a bar.
I made myself a business to whythey can't touch me.
Now, right, and people alwaysact and I'm like, well, why are
they coming after me?
I said, well, there's public,there's private.
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Yes, there's.
What is public.
Public is hey, here's my socialsecurity number here, I'm over
here, come see me.
I like that.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
So we were just talking about section eight,
hood housing.
What is that?
That's public housing.
Come on.
Public assistance, publicdefender, yeah, all these deal
with the government.
The public sector of theeconomy is part of the economy
that the government controls.
The private sector is part ofthe economy that the government
does not control.
We, the people, we the people.
It's to the person.
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Yeah, in the courtroom you're aperson, a persona, her son, one
son.
You're going to be savedthrough the father.
There's a reason they leave thefather of child or of birth
certificates because the, the,the state, takes guardianship
and that's why they are trustlaw guardianship they're
establishing the parent-childrelationship.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
But here's the thing I don't need you to establish no
parent-child relationship.
So before, just say, forinstance, you signed
acknowledgement on paternity onday three, so you're telling me
on day one and day two that mychild was in this hospital, that
this child wasn't my child,right, come on now?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, I don't do anything with their logos or
anything.
A lot of people don't know thatforms identification in the
system, because people do usethe birth certificate as
identification, correct?
Yes, I'm not seven pounds, sixounces, no more.
So why are you identifying withthis?
Wow, you know.
Wow, I mean, if it's not yoursigns and symbols, it doesn't
belong to you.
So you can use family Bibles.
Have you heard of family Bibles?
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Yes, so family Bibles are aform of identification.
Affidavits of live birth youcan create your own affidavits
of birth.
You can use patents of nativityyou can look these things up
and baby land deeds.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
And that's why I said in the beginning I wouldn't
have signed a birth certificate,I would have created my own
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
That's it, and all you have to do is contact the
legal department oradministration at any hospital.
You can establish arelationship with a private
trust, a private family trust.
I don't care if it's $100 amonth.
Donate to the hospital.
They're going to put you on thedonor board and they're going
to give you private practiceinstead of public practice.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
For all the conspiracy theorists out there,
yeah, so I mean it's public andprivate and as much as
information that I'm now privyto.
I'm still a student of the game, so as I'm sitting here, I'm
still learning.
Man, I got chills from you likeeight times.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I'm still learning, bro.
Hey man, you're a powerfulbrother man and I mean I knew
you, knew your shit.
I watch you, I see you, but Ididn't know.
You know your shit, shit likethis man, like I don't even know
how.
There's no words to explain howenlightened you are.
You cannot get so in in theprivate world.
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We use private attorneys and weuse trust attorneys.
We don't use, because if youget a defense attorney, that
makes you a defendant becausethat's a status and you're
waiving your rights.
You make a general appearance.
Even in the private.
We can't get information likelike you've have um people I
call them downloads, people saycall them upgrades.
But you understand what I'msaying.
Like I'm I've I've been incircles, bro, the last 10 years.
I've been in some powerfulcircles and had not heard
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anybody speak um like you, likeyou're speaking right now, like
we didn't agree to nothing.
I feel like I have to drop youa donation after this, this
podcast it's I, it's my life,bro, like this was like you know
.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
So this is the thing, and I don't like to go too deep
into this aspect of it, becausemy thing is not to bash women,
or especially not a black woman,but I was unfortunately put in
a situation to where I found outabout my child support case
seven years after it opened.
Wow, why?
Because I was in the streetshustling when I got a job.
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I got contacted by HR on paydayand was like look, we just got
an income withholding order tostart garnishing your checks.
I'm like income withholdingorder what is that?
And they're like well, fromchild support.
I contact child support andthey say, well, well, yeah, you,
it's a little bit too late forthis because according to
California code, such and suchand such, you have six months to
respond.
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It's been seven years.
I'm like wait what do?
you mean, it's been seven years.
That was the administrativeprocess, exactly.
So it's like a lot of them areon the phone too.
Yeah, yeah, so it's like sevenyears.
So it's like now I go to thefamily law facilitator who's
supposed to self-help, but theytell me the same thing.
It's like, man, sir, it's beenseven years, ain't nothing you
can do nothing you can do so forfor the next 13 years.
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I'm under the impression underthe miseducation that there's
nothing that I can do until likethat so you was 13 years, I was
on child support.
I found I was on child supportfor 22 years 22 years.
But what I'm saying is wow, 20years for 20 years, I'm under
the impression or 7, 7, 13 years, because I found out seven
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years after it was open so forthe next 13 years.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I'm aware of it 20 years right there that's 20
years right there.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Wow, but I'm paying.
I they start taking my license.
I went to jail for driving onsuspended license.
The judge said if you come backyou're doing 180 days.
I went through all that I sawand I'm not going to do 180 days
for no child support.
So I got to fix it.
I enter into a contract withchild support under duress to
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now pay them additional $50 so Ican keep my license.
But every year my license stillgot suspended.
So in Missouri.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I was able to modify.
You can modify every threeyears and I was in prison when I
modified it.
It went to a dollar a month.
My baby mama ain't talking tome since, but dollar a month.
When I got out to get mylicense back I paid $49 in
arrears.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
So that was a lick for me at that point in time.
So, look, I contacted people.
I said yo, why is my licensekeep getting suspended?
And the lady said and I'mtalking to her.
I said, man, I don't even knowwhy I'm going through this.
Anyway, it's fraud and the ladythe lady said fraud.
What do you mean fraud?
You got served.
I said wait, what I got served.
She said yeah, you got served.
I said well, tell me what daydid I get served, because I've
been with me every day of mylife and I know I didn't get
served.
So she placed me on hold.
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She come back.
I'm sorry, mr Tillman, we don'thave your signature.
I said oh, it's on.
She said but that don't matteranyway, because you volunteered
a program, you volunteered intothe program.
I did what.
She said yeah, we got yoursignature.
I said well, tell me what day Isigned.
She come back.
Sorry, mr Tillman, we don'thave your signature.
So from that point she told menow, now, mind you, but at this
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13 years I'm under theimpression, or miseducation,
that I could.
There's nothing else that canbe done.
But she just opened the door.
She said that I got served andthat I volunteered into the
program.
So she just told me that childsupport was voluntary like,
though obviously I said oh, whatmade you?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
what made you?
Focused on that, though, likeyou knew that there was light at
the end of the tunnel orsomething like that.
It was that point.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
It was that point when I'm talking to child
support services and a lady toldme that I got served.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
If somebody else would hear that, they might have
heard that conversation totallydifferently.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
But she told me she had my signature right and you
said she did and she said, shedid so.
Then she knew that's fraud andthen when she came back and she
said, no, we don't have yoursignature.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I said oh, okay, that's one.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Then she said I have volunteered into the program.
People don't know that childsupport is voluntary.
Yes, it is it's a program.
You break down what childsupport services and programs so
we start the public sector, theprivate sector come on the
voluntary sector there.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
It is voluntary into the public and that's what
happens.
So for a court case to evenstart, it has to be an affidavit
, it has to be the person thathas to be the people that create
the affidavit.
The corporation can't creep out.
I create an affidavit, theycreate building statements.
Come on now, create statements,not affidavits.
So only the live person, person, live, live people, like living
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.
So, how you want to do,whatever jurisdiction you want
to be in, I don't like to wear anatural person, but, um, they
can only create an affidavitthat proves you're alive.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, so I mean, from that point on I just started
doing more research to see whatelse are they supposed to do.
And that's how I came apart,came to find out their policy.
And then I I just educatedmyself and I took them to court
and represented myself.
And like I was nervous the veryfirst hearing.
But from that point, likeeverybody else, they was coming
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in and out.
They in and out, people'ssocking walls, cussing, getting
escorted out by the sheriff,they in and out my very first
hearing.
We was in there for at least 30to 45 minutes.
I said, oh, they respondeddifferent.
They responded different.
So from that point on, man, Iwas first day of school ready.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Every day I'm ready to come back to court I've never
been scared of.
I mean my first one.
I got rid of my.
I've been on child support.
I'm not proud of it or anything.
I'm not saying this is what youshould do, but I've been on
child support by three differentpeople.
I got rid of all of them, buttwo of them, two of my
children's mother, got togetherand then got it switched to
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Florida.
That's the one I had sent you,but it was in.
Missouri first, and I got it ridof in Missouri, and then they
found a bookkeeper's address inum, florida, and they accepted
mail on my behalf.
You know they said if you don'tcome to court, we're
automatically.
It's a default.
It's a default.
Yeah, yeah, so and and.
But.
The way I fight it is um.
First of all, if the attorneyon the case represents your
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children now that's not yourchildren anymore, it's the
so-called I don't even know whatit is.
They're not a prosecutingattorney, because there's no
crime that's been committed.
You have the right to face youraccuser, but it is always the
opposite party who is giveninformation.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
So let me let me say I'm oh, I'm glad you said that.
Let me let me enlighten you alittle bit.
So child support in familycourt.
Now, going back to the 1935social security act, when I said
when the Great Depression,women couldn't work, so if a man
left his woman in 1935 or hewent to war in 1935, the woman
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could not support herself.
So they said that if you leftyour woman in 1935, you have
abandoned this woman in yourfamily.
You have abandoned her.
We're still operating in 2024from the 1935 social security
act.
So that's, you said thatthere's no crime.
So when you said the the childsupport attorney represents your
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child and for some people itsays your child versus you on
the actual document.
You know why?
Because what they're trying totell you is that.
What are the damages?
They said that your child isthe injured party.
You are the person that injuredthem.
What are the damages?
Your child is or will becomedependent upon government
assistance.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
So the birth certificate makes your child?
Here's what I tell people.
First, she was just fine.
They put you on a birthcertificate.
You get defined, so whatthey're doing is making you now
have become property of thegovernment.
That's what happens, even witha marriage license, and if you
look up something calledunijoint, it's private law.
Same way with car insuranceit's putting you under.
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If you're in the public, youneed insurance.
Every government official has abond as well, but these are
things we go after Me personally, when I've helped people in
these situations and done it formyself.
When people ask for proof, Ijust show them my information.
I don't like showing none of myclients, anything but attorney
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means the turnover.
People don't know that they'renot lawyers.
A lawyer is a layman.
They break down the law for you, everybody's a layman, and then
you can have the attorney likepower of attorney.
So people ask me if my attorneyin fact I am, because they
don't operate off facts.
A fact cannot enter a courtroom.
It's always assumptions andpresumptions, but I go after to
make sure that they have a barcard, a bar or a license to
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practice law.
No one, no, no one.
No judge or attorney.
This wife of the five has alicense to practice law.
They have bar cards, correct,and and that's a membership to a
fraternity and and a part ofthat bar association.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
If you look at it, it says that their first duty is
to the court, not to the clientthat's it.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
That's it, they're.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
They're a spy for the court, that's, it literally
says that your first duty is tothe court we're gonna have to
redo them and I close it out.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, they're beeps, they beats.
Oh, we just keep going.
All right, it's cool, we justkeep going, man, but um, but no,
we just keep going.
That's cool, that's cool, wejust keep it right here.
We just keep it right here,keep going, man.
We're gonna close it out,though, man, but man, I
appreciate you coming down.
Man, you know a lot.
There's this we didn't cover.
Um, there's minute.
(41:21):
Yeah, yeah, um, you're, you'reman.
I'm speechless.
You gave me chills.
I love it when I get to learn.
Likewise, I get to learn on myum.
You know what we're doing, it'sour, this is what we do, but
you get to learn with otherpeople in like minds, but let
everybody know how they followyou, how they can reach you.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
yeah, I mean, for me, everything is child support is
fraud, whether it's's Instagram,all one word.
All one word Child support isfraud.
Instagram, youtube.
Child support is fraud dot com.
But take care of your kids,because this is not no get out
of jail free card.
I do not advocate for anyparent to not take care of their
children.
I advocate for parents for bothfit parents to have joint
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physical custody over theirchildren.
I advocate for parents for bothfit parents to have joint
physical custody over theirchildren.
I'm not challenging anyparent's responsibility to not
take care of their children.
I'm challenging the childsupport system in itself to
ensure that it's following itsown procedures.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
And everything is spot on.
I like the way he moves.
I've never seen.
Well, I'm not going to saynever seen, but there's very few
people out here that teach youthat the government is operating
on fraud.
But you're not going to get theproof that, the proof they
don't admit that they're wrong.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Bro, I'm going to show it to you when we get it.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Literally said they say they're honorable courts.
That's what they say.
They say they're children and Isaid you've mistaken.
And he said we don't makemistakes.
That's what they told me.
That's what they told me.
They said you're paying childsupport.
I said I'd be damned if I do.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Yeah, when you look at my order after the hearing,
it literally says that the casewas dismissed for stressing
fraud because child support.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I proved that they didn't follow their own
procedures.
So me support.
I proved that they didn'tfollow their own procedures, I
just so.
So me personally.
I just think it's wrong.
Like I know you chose thatperson you know to have an
offspring with.
So figure it out.
Yeah, it's a private familymatter.
It's hard.
It was, man.
I had to struggle for a whilebefore I learned independent
contracting and being anentrepreneur and business owner,
it was hard to get aheadbecause child support keeps
hitting my checks, luckily.
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And business owner, it was hardto get ahead because child
support keeps hitting my checks,luckily.
I lived in the hood with somemelanated women.
They said, boy, you better findthe hustle.
So you know that's the only wayI was able to get out.
That you know, because I had amotivation.
There was no turning back.
But other people, you know,they just dwell on it and they
let it eat them up, man.
So out here in the corporateworld it is hard, even in the
celebrity world.
Eat them up, man.
So out here in the corporateworld it is hard, even in the
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celebrity world somebody makesit.
And you know there's peoplepaying millions of dollars in
child support.
That's not right.
No, it's not right.
Come up with a privateagreement.
The government can't interferewith a private contract I say it
all the time, man.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I say it all the time , arc one section 10.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
There it is.
When you're using that, that'show you're able to use the case
law as well.
Man, you did have some.
Do you know some case law thatpeople want to look up?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yeah, so the number one case law regarding child
support is a case is SupremeCourt case law Blessing versus
Freestone.
Blessing versus Freestone saysthere was five women from
Arizona who were receivinggovernment assistance.
So they were receiving child umgovernment assistance.
So they're receiving title 4a,the 10th um.
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They gave the fathers away.
Now they're going after thefathers, but child support is
keeping all of the money.
So the five women ain't like yo, why are we only getting
minimum amounts of money?
And so they took child supportto court.
In that case, in order forchild support to keep the money,
they had to tell on themselves.
And in that case, in order forchild support to keep the money,
they had to tell on themselves.
And in that case law they saidchild support was never intended
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to benefit the child nor thecustodial parent.
Wow, it was intended to benefitthe state, because the the
whole purpose of title 4d was torecoup the money from title 4a,
the 10th grant.
That's the entire.
And they also.
They also said that there wasno right to child support.
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There is.
I'm gonna say that again thereis no right to child support.
So these are.
That is the most monumentalcase and how I use that in my
hearing.
So when my case got dismissed,child support attorney said well
, now we have to deal with themoney, because we took a lot of
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money from him and we didn'tjust the state, didn't just get
the money, she got some of themoney too.
Now, mind you, it's 22 yearslater.
So they say well, it's not inthe best interest of the child
to make her pay back the money.
Objection Remember don't sayremember that.
Remember Blessing versusFreestone.
When y'all told which I tellthe five women from Arizona the
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child support was never intendedto benefit the child nor the
custodial parent, I, like you,said objection.
Of course you got to objectbecause, like you said, they
work under presumption, you haveto object.
I was an oblivious objector inthat hearing.
Anything that I did not agreewith, I objected to it.
They said I made voluntarypayments.
Objection no, payments were notmade voluntary, they were made
under duress.
You suspended my license, putme in jail in cars, it's all all
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the ways.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
If you don't have, come on, bro, and listen.
I want you to know I objectedto some stuff and I didn't know
everything I was doing at first.
But you can make some shit up,bro.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
I'll just be like under 12, usc 411 you know, I
mean, now they gotta, now theygotta go, look it up they gotta
go.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Look it up, man yeah, yeah I like that.
So another case law that I usedin my paperwork is called
transyaro.
Okay, and what that is is itproves that talks about the 14th
Amendment citizen.
But the government can't useanything against you, or the
opposing party can't useanything against you.
The attorney is either awitness or an attorney.
How can you put evidence?
(46:49):
Because this attorney isputting evidence against you.
Either you are an attorney oryou're a witness.
You can't be both.
Oh wow, that's a bar.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
That's a bar, that's a bar Transy versus Peg Liaro.
There's another one, burhamversus Superior Court, another
Supreme Court case law, and thatcase law is stated that these
administrative officers, theyare not judicial officers.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
That's why I'm going to fake judges.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
They're administrators, officers.
That's why I'm going to fakejudges.
They're administrators.
It literally says that in orderto in for this to be enforced,
it has to be signed by an actualjudge.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
And and I proved that these are not article three
judges.
They're not at all.
You make do your administrator,yeah, and, and another thing
when it comes to that is um,that's why I say I'm a, I'm a
minister.
You're adding a ministeradminister, and the prime
minister in Russia, right, thepope, one of the ecclesiastical
law.
So everything is spiritual.
When you trace the money, whenit goes back, when you deposit
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it into a court, it goes back toa 508C1 trust, which is a
faith-based organization inPuerto Rico under the Judge
Association.
It gets deep.
They all get payouts on theback end and they pay no taxes
because it's trust law.
You're the one administeringthe trust and anytime there's a
court case, that's a taxableevent.
And since you don't have bondor insurity bond or you're
(48:08):
bonded as the public officialbecause now you're in the public
government contract, your nameis a business.
When you say I understand mycharge, you just create a
government contract, now youunderstand that these agencies
are federal.
So under the Rooker-FeldmanDoctrine, state agencies cannot
use federal information toenforce crimes in court and
(48:30):
things like that.
Wow, yeah, I studied too.
Man, wow, he said I studied too.
Yeah, I studied too.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
If there's no victim, it's not a crime, man, and
that's, that's the thing.
And so to, and, and they alwaysthey don't tell you this, but
they're trying to and, like yousaid, if there's no victim,
there's no crime.
There has to be an injuredparty.
Right, that's fact.
There has to be an injuredparty.
That's right.
And there's, um, there's caselaw on that.
But when, when you're lookingat your, they're saying that you
(48:59):
abandoned your child and thatyou injured your child.
So the thing is like, I'venever abandoned my child and
another word you used wascustody.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yes, custodial.
You can only have custody overproperty.
This is why you understand it'sa fight for intellectual
property.
And then that's why I trademarkyour name, I trademark your
signature, I trademark thethumbprint.
If you got the footprint,trademark that too mmm when,
anytime they're putting it on apiece of paper or something,
they're using the, the UnitedStates Postal System, the
(49:28):
contract with you, and they'reprinting your name and
publication.
That's public publications andif you have a trademark or copy
written, you can get rid of thatif they.
If it's not, since certifiedmail, you don't.
You need to know who's sendingyou this information right to
face your accuser.
Of course you do.
Once they sign your contractsin the mail, you can.
If you've got your own adhesioncontracts now, they're bound by
(49:48):
your agreements because theysign for it.
That's a boy.
Yeah, that's how I move it.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
It's different.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
I'm out with that man You're good man.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Man, I salute you, man, I salute you as well, man,
I appreciate you for bringing meon your platform, introducing
me to your community.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Nothing but you know, yeah get ready for the floor
gates to open.
You can have them all, he saidit's a headache, it's a headache
for me, man, and I want y'allto know, like because I'm
getting celebrities doing it nowtoo and I mean it sounds crazy.
But, man, you know, if they'rewilling to pay what I weigh, I'm
gonna do it, but I'm gettingaway from this because I'm
making movies.
Yeah, I'm in the music industryand you heard all my plans with
(50:27):
the, with the health care, I'mgonna be working with um, um,
prisons and stuff.
So, yeah, with rehabilitation,that's what we Okay, getting
people trained up with the rightthings.
I'm forcing them to buy myproducts soaps, things like that
and even implement programs andeven rehab.
We need cures, not just keepmaking money off our people, for
(50:48):
sure, for sure.
So that's how I'm looking atthings.
I got the black dollar, so Imight as well.
That's productive.
Black dollars matter.
Yeah, black dollars do matter.
They made me relevant today.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
That's how I can live this life.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
I love my black people, but that's an adjective,
not a noun, so it gets rid ofyour nationality when you claim
that you're black.
But that's another deep I'm outman.
Much peace and love, peace.
Peace and love, peace and love.
You're now rocking to thesounds and vibrations of your
boy, don Kalam, and we're herewith the Dream Keepers Radio
Podcast, and I'm in the buildingwith Child Support.
Is Fried, that's all together,correct, yes, sir?
Hey, man, just tell us a littleabout who you are, where you're
from and what you do.
Man, I'm going to tell youright now.
So, like I've heard you, you'vebeen brought up a lot, okay, ok
(00:30):
.
And circles that.
I'm in and then I went to yourpage I said follow back.
I was like that was that.
That meant a lot to me becauseyour name is brought up
everywhere, ok, but yeah, andnow you just pop up all the time
.
I see you in the algorithm now,like you're everywhere, man,
likewise.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I mean for me.
My name is Lonnell TJ Tillman.
I'm from Compton, california.
I am the author of how I StopChild Support Legally.
I represented myself in a twoyear hearing no legal background
and ultimately got my casedismissed for extrinsic fraud
after 22 years.
So you got the, you got thegovernment for fraud.
(00:59):
Yeah, it literally says on mydismissal.
It literally says dismissed forextrinsic fraud.
That's lit.
I've never done anything likethat and and that's and that's
the thing too, like there's alot of people and not to be.
You know it.
Just the facts.
It is what it is.
I don't.
There's a lot of people thatgot their case dismissed, but
before me I don't know a motherthat ain't got their case where
(01:23):
it literally says fraud well, Ijust want you to know.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
In the community I'm in, that's what they teach.
Yeah, it's like, hey, you canget out of this because of fraud
or threat, duress and coercion,tdc.
But I've never seen it, thatwhere they actually say, yeah,
we committed fraud and andthat's, that's the whole part,
right there to where.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And it was actually in their venue.
So just think about this.
You know, I'm sure you know,but child support hearings are
not judicial, they'readministrative.
So in their own administrativehearing they admitted that they
committed fraud.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Wow so like you told me, like you got to come down
here with it, so did do thepeople that you have to come
down.
Do they understand theadministrative hearings and
administrative part?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
some people do, but it's still a learning curve to
where you have to.
A lot of people don't, becausea lot of people just assume that
this is court and I, and whenthey hear me say the fake judge
and they're like fake judge,what do you mean by that?
Wow, and I'm like, well, youactually say I literally, yeah,
I literally, it's a fake judgeso when those is like a trigger
(02:23):
word.
So when, when people like fakejudge what do you mean by fake
judge?
And I say, then I got to breakit down and say, well, look,
family court dealing withcustody, divorce and domestic
violence, that's in family court, that's in a judicial process.
But when you move to childsupport, that's administrative
because that is part of theexecutive branch.
They taught us this in school.
(02:44):
There's three branches ofgovernment.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
There is yes, I totally overstand, because
understand means you stand underthe jurisdiction.
That's the type I study, but welook at everything as
administrative, because ifthere's not a victim, it's not a
crime.
You have your right to face youraccuser, of course.
So it's all administrative.
Everything is trulyadministrative when you
(03:07):
understand business.
Okay, because a constitution islike bylaws for a business and
under 28 USC 2002, the UnitedStates does mean it's a federal
corporation.
It's a corporation, with thatbeing stated, a person is also a
corporation owned by the UnitedStates Federal Corporation.
So when I always went to childsupport support, that's how I
(03:28):
looked at things and I made thechildren my name.
You know, my name's a businessand it'll be doing business as
my children's name, you know.
And I looked, and I look atthings like this because in
other cultures I do tribes andhelp tribes and people like that
.
You have to pay the parents, soyou don't pay taxes because
you're private.
You have to pay the parentsbecause all court is is a tax
(03:50):
court.
When you look at their 28 usc2002, it tells you what court
means.
It says um court.
Is any um court created bycongress other than the united
states tax court?
So if congress didn't givepermission for this court to
exist, it's a tax issue.
So I asked you do youunderstand your charge?
They had a court clerk.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
So now we see it and that's the thing, because, like
there's different and we wastalking off camera, like is
different.
But when you say, what's yourcharge?
Because now, for me, what Ieducate people on is like, ok,
so what is the nature and causeof this action?
Wow, because now we asking thesame question what is the charge
?
Is it administrative, is itjudicial, is it civil, is it
(04:30):
criminal?
Like, what is the nature ofthis cause?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
If you don't have a social security number, like I'm
sure you heard of Amish people,can the courts put Amish people
on child support?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I'm not sure you ever heard of it?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You have people on child support?
I'm not sure you ever heard it.
You have any average clients?
No, because they're.
They don't have a social carenumber.
They're not in that system.
The social care number is apublic trust.
See, I'll just learn something.
And they they're administered,the social security
administration.
You only get to pick yourtrustees and you can only use
this trust for benefits.
Wow, so you have to give thesocial to get the TANF grant,
(05:06):
the TANF block grant, of course,which is a grant, and that's
what forces fathers to pay childsupport.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That's exactly what it is.
And I tell people just go look,don't take my word for it.
Just go to the website and golook at the Department of Health
and Human Services.
Look on their website and lookwhat it says.
Go look at the Department ofHealth and Human Services, look
on their website and look whatit says.
It literally says when you lookat Title four a 1935 Social
Security Act, it literally saysTANF it's a block grant.
(05:33):
So what I did in my hearingthey had this TV screen so I put
the definition what is a grant?
A grant is a gift.
What's the definition of a gift?
A gift is something that'sgiving without any
counterbalancing payment.
So if TANF is a griff is a gift.
Now you did this amendment in1975, which is Title IV D of the
(05:53):
1935 Social Security Act, whichis child support.
How are you forcing parents topay back money that was given as
a grant for free?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
You gave me chills.
Everybody like I got chills.
Hey, you're very enlightenedman, hey, hey wow but so what
I'm just wanting to tell you.
So what just stuck me for asecond is like do you think
putting father on on childsupport is healthy?
Because you said department ofhealth bro no, I'm like wow,
(06:26):
it's not healthy, because I wantyou to know is.
So I look at it, because thedivisional family courts
division, they divide um.
Family means bondage or servinganyways.
People don't know that it'syour clan.
So if you said it was your claninstead of family, you'd be
under a different jurisdiction.
It might sound crazy.
And then the documents we useis the birth certificate and
then that social security use isthe birth certificate and then
that social security number.
(06:46):
That's how they're garneringyour wages for the fathers facts
.
So those are contracts, that'syou know.
It's fika, a fika tax and a lotof women.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
They they jumped on my head about this because I
said had I known what I knowtoday, I wouldn't have signed my
children's birth certificates,I wouldn't even participate, I
wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So I help people.
Here's what I help people doBecause you know the sole of
your foot, they stamp it onthere.
So that's your sole.
Yeah, they stamp your sole.
You know anything that getsdelivered is property, you know,
and we go by this name.
That's why I said trademark.
We do trademark it, but you goand control what you create.
So the name was given to you,then it was given to the state.
But, yeah, signature is a signof nature.
(07:32):
We always autograph thingsbecause we're the celebrity.
They need us.
They need us to move forward.
So we are creators.
If you go through with a babyland deed and move differently
with the hospital, there'ssomething called public practice
and private practice.
You know, attorneys haveprivate practices, they have
public practices and when you'retaking Medicaid, they public
practicing on your ass.
(07:57):
I just I mean, I'm not going toget too deep on his podcast
because we're focused on childsupport and I want to know
everybody.
I do love you all.
I love everybody, but I'm tiredof y'all with child support.
Come on, love y'all.
I love everybody, but I'm tiredto help y'all with child
support.
Who called my phone?
I found somebody for you.
He's.
He's that.
He's the one.
He's like neo in the matrixwhen it comes to this shit.
He's surgical with this shit.
Jake and and I caught that.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
that's gonna go up a lot of people here, but I caught
that.
So for me I take it back to thebeginning, to the origin, and
because I challenged theirjurisdiction from the very
beginning.
So they said you made generalappearances and I said, well,
you never even had jurisdictionover me in the first place.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I saw that word, general appearance.
So you know, I teach people tochallenge jurisdiction through a
special appearance, of course,and that was the first time I
seen.
Listen, I've been studying lawall my life, really, but deep.
Since 17, okay, since I've been17, so 20 years, man, I've been
studying law.
Before I started learning aboutthe council, I was just doing
codes and statutes, but, bro,I've never seen general
(08:55):
appearance.
I've seen it on your page, wow,and I started looking at it and
studying it.
Because, because, as a minister, because people don't know the
bible is a fact in the courtroomand then they make you cuss or
swear upon, oh, oh oh, and the.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Here's the quote I just want to tap in before I
forget it.
You said the bible is part ofthe judicial system.
Yes, but when you use anythingpertaining to the bible in this
court system, they're going totell you that it doesn't apply.
But what did they do?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
they had you swear before God because you swear
means the curse, so they had youcurse your own God.
So they know you're dealingwith this.
And then the birth certificateis putting you at a slave status
is still Roman law and canonlaw, ecclesiastes.
You know, the judges get theirpower from canon law all the way
to the pope.
The pope wears the white robe,they wear the black robes.
That's called a mourning robebecause you're dead.
(09:46):
When you come in they say allrise, and you stand up.
You just gave them power.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You fall under their jurisdiction Because you're now
making a general appearancebecause you recognize our
authority there.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
you go there, you go, so I want you to know if you
look up the Genesis.
I believe it's the story.
Esau gave up his birthrightsfor food.
That is what you do with foodstamps You've given up your
birthrights and now you'reputting the father on food child
support.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Food stamps triggers this.
So here's what I was going tosay as far as like with the
beginning it starts in ahospital.
So just say, for instance, whenyou know you, when you have
your child, after you know thatquiet time, you get the hour to
bond in time and everything'scool.
And here come that lady withthat clipboard and she's handing
no rush, take your time.
She just handed you theacknowledgement of paternity,
(10:40):
which is a dual contract withthe state birth record agencies
and child support services.
It literally says that on thedocument, but we don't read it.
We don't read it.
It literally says beforesigning this document, you may
want to seek legalrepresentation.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I don't get chills on podcasts.
So much Are you a spiritual.
You believe in somethinggreater than yourself, truly
because God's speaking, brother,I do believe in God.
Yes, I do.
You know, demographics is thegraph of demons.
That's what they.
The state is invisible lines,brother.
So you know, you're fightingdemons.
You get some dominion over theearth.
That's why they make you swearon the Bible.
You're handing over all yourbirthrights, man.
(11:15):
So that's what you're fightingfor.
You're fighting for people'sbirthrights, whether you you
realize it or not.
I don't know if you realizethat.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
To this I mean, I, my favorite saying is prosperity
is your birthright.
I teach people the truth butyou say, oh, you know, I will
still cut your ass out.
Yeah, right, so but when in inthe hospital, when you sign that
acknowledgement of CFR 303.5says that at a minimum they must
give you the full disclosuresof entering into this contract.
(11:52):
They must give you the legalconsequences of establishing
voluntary paternity.
What are the legal consequencesof establishing voluntary
paternity?
License suspensions, passportincome withholding order order,
bank levies, liens,incarceration, putting it on
your credit report but here'sthe thing, that's it they
outline it.
It says they must give younotice orally, in person, by
(12:15):
video or audio.
They must do this at a minimum.
I don't know if you ever had achild and you was in a hospital.
You signed that acknowledgementof paternity in a hospital or
you took a DNA test at a childsupport agency.
Whenever paternity isestablished, they must someone
had to literally say before yousign this you are agreeing to
(12:37):
license passport income all ofthese things that's what the
fire calls into play, right?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
So if you don't get those disclosures, a spent
passport, all of these thingsyou got the fire, then that's
where the fire comes into play,right, exactly so if you don't
get those disclosures.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Wow, Paternity was never established and they must
establish paternity in order tomove forward to open a child
support case.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
You're getting this.
He's listening, man.
If y'all didn't understand whathe had said, I'm going to need
y'all to wind that back into hisset listening out and take
notes, because this should bedone in a private with a private
consultation.
He's just giving you thisinformation.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And that's just for your community.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I mean, yes, man, common unity.
They're here to divide.
That's their job.
They're doing their job.
So you need to understand whatyour job is.
Now I did.
We did talk about the they'recalled franchise words Cause you
know they use blacklawsictionary and other legalese
.
So a parent is a parent whorents Okay, child or children
that's property of a corporation.
You're either the mother or thefather.
(13:28):
That's your son or yourdaughter.
They always say that's yourchild or your children.
They always say that's theparent.
Wow, these are franchise words.
So you know that's like gettingout that pro se jurisdiction
and using sui juris.
When I started know that's likegetting out that pro se
jurisdiction, using sui juris, Ilearned when I started studying
sui juris I I found it first inthe sixth amendment.
(13:48):
But it's your right to contractsaying you have your right and
sound mind.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
You know, because you said that's how you, you, you
proceed yeah, and and that's thething, dog, like you have to be
able to, and that's my thing islike just just educating our
people, because there's manypeople that that go through
these processes and don't have aclue on how to get started,
what to do.
(14:11):
So for me, as I've took on aresponsibility to educate our
people, like, look, these is theprocess of this is what they
must do, this is how I getstarted and this is how I
protected myself in this fakevenue.
I can't what you do with that.
(14:31):
That's on you.
I'm making the informationavailable.
So once it's available, youcan't say that the information
is not present and that'spowerful.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
He said he took on the responsibility.
I mean, it's a hugeresponsibility.
I don't like it.
So it's like.
No, for real it is.
So it's like I did come in tolike I was on the that flavor
flay fight the power.
Let's go fight the power, right, right.
And then didn't, nobody,they'll think you're crazy.
They think you're crazy.
And then I learned how to justmake it commercial, you know,
(15:01):
yeah, and get paid off it.
But, um, in the beginning it wasalways to try to wake the
people up.
But you have to throw yourlittle shade, throw your little
twist.
Of course, keep yelling andscreaming until people listen to
take you seriously, work forfree so you can get referrals.
Of course you know, and it'sit's.
He took all the responsibilityto do that and I'm saying this
is no easy task.
But, um, it's a beautiful thingthat you're doing it, because
(15:23):
you're a melanated brother,you're a melanated man and it's
crazy.
Here's why I admire you.
I've been incarcerated, I'vebeen through a lot of shit, and
it's when the melanated brotheris quick to start beef or beef
with someone who looks like him.
But as soon as somebody puts arobe on or a different, suit on
(15:45):
yeah, yeah, you scared you won'tstand up to him.
But as soon as, but when you,when you get the courage to
stand up, it's going to changethe game.
I'm not saying stand up to thepolice, because that's a little
bit different, but when youstand up to the judges man, it's
a different game, or?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
game changer or fake judges in in.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Judges in here well, they're all fake judges.
Yeah, so, so.
So, through my study andresearch this is my knowledge,
belief we're not licensedattorney, attack tax experts.
We do this for educationalentertainment purposes, only
facts.
So when the every they'resupposed to have an oath of
office on the record.
So they do that through thesurrogate, through through the
surrogates, um, because you dead, they're administering your
(16:23):
will and trust.
There's never an office on thecriminal side, civil side, it's
all through probate courtprobate.
Wow, yeah, does that make sense?
Yeah, it does, because if youhave your estate established, it
bypasses probate.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
It bypasses.
Yeah, so that's why it's calledprobation.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Probation means to bring action to action, to the
administering the trust.
Everything is trustadministration.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
They're trustees, they're public trustees, right
when you go to jail, you're atrustee, of course of course it,
it, it makes sense and that'swhy, like that's once I I seen
your page and I I startedlooking at the videos and I'm
looking, I'm like this brotherhe's off top is just like I get
(17:07):
it and I said he's taking itfrom a different angle, but I
get exactly, it's just a higherlevel of education yours is too,
and I and I admire it.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So, just you knowing there's not very many people I
can talk to that the TANF grantis fraud.
You should not be proud.
Listen because I'm not saying,because I told you.
I said, man, these people aregetting on my nerves so much,
expecting things for free orhandouts, and I'm going to start
helping the children's mother.
I'm going to start helping themothers IRS information,
referring where they work,whatever.
(17:39):
He sell weed on the block.
He said he got it, referringwhere they work, whatever.
Yeah, he's selling weed on theblock.
He said he got it, he got it.
But, um, it's, it's dividingfamilies, man yeah, no, most
definitely, and it's.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
And for a person to come in and say, okay, it's
dividing families, and thenthere's always a well, why are
they doing that?
What is the motive?
My answer I don't.
Again.
I don't deal with opinions, Ionly deal with facts and
evidence.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I like to hear it.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I'll tell you my facts, okay so my facts is, I'm
gonna follow the money now I'mgonna go to 42 usc 658a.
That's incentive payments tostates lit.
So the united states Treasuryor every year, authorizes a
certain amount of money to childsupport to states to find
(18:26):
people guilty in child supporthearings.
So you get an incentive.
What is an incentive?
An incentive is a kickback.
Wow.
So I don't know if peoplenotice, but the year of 2024,
the United States Treasuryauthorized seven hundred and
thirteen million dollars tostates to find people guilty in
child support hearings.
Wow.
(18:47):
So, based on the child supportthey collect, the arrears they
collect, the attorney, theestablishment of paternity,
based on their performance, forthe year of two thousand and
twenty four, they have sevenhundred and thirteen million
dollars that they can tap intofree money, money, oh wow free
money.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
So so I don't.
I do nationality versus color,because color is fictitious in
the courts.
That's how they get rice over.
So would you agree that you'rechocolate on vanilla, right?
Okay?
So here's my facts.
Okay, I have no reason to stuntlie.
Y'all see me right.
So I started studying law, andlet me the markets guard me okay
how there can be no more.
J Edgar Hoover was brought in tomake sure there's not any black
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messiah ever in America.
You can kill them and take themout Like it's crazy.
White means purity.
Purity means God, god's supremerule of the land.
People don't know that they'rereally white.
Then the nationality that getsdeep.
That's a whole nother topic,though.
So I just always thought thatthe melanated race was the lost
tribes brother over here, andit's the promised land, it's in
the law, it's just it's our,it's already written it's in the
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law, man, I ain't trying.
You know I'm not religious.
I try to sway nobody's beliefs,put it on there.
But, man, that's when.
That's that's what led me tolaw, because I studied with the
moors first.
Yeah, of course, but so youagree that most of your clients
are chocolate people?
Yes.
And so the law is set upagainst melanated men.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
So let me let it most definitely OK.
So let's, let's take it a stepfurther.
I don't do a lot of ads onInstagram or Facebook.
When I did, I did my first adand when you go through
Instagram or Meta it it says doyou want to select your audience
or do you want meta to selectyour audience based on your
content?
I said, nah, well, I'm gonnalet y'all select it.
(20:29):
So I ran the ad.
The ad comes back.
Now I'm looking at the data wow, and I want to see where they
targeted at.
Where was it at?
Chicago, new orleans, brook,orleans, brooklyn, la, all, all
urban area.
So you met us at based on yourcontent.
(20:50):
This, we see.
Your content works best forpeople in these area.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I said, wow you want to know another reason why I get
spiritual, because everybodythat comes across me, and even
my cameraman, can attest thathe's been around me for years.
Um, as I asked him, how did youfollow me?
And a lot of people say I waspraying.
So if you have your phone nearyou, I believe in all of that
stuff.
So you know, you know you waspraying, that you said some
stuff got me in the algorithm.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
No, facts, man.
It happens like that.
Man and and and.
We ain't gonna get into it.
But shortly after someoneintroduced me to you, or not
introduced me to you, theybrought you up to me.
Shortly thereafter I startedseeing content popping up on my
phone.
They definitely listened to us.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Right, right, right, right.
I see your stuff.
I've been talking about you mywhole event, by the way.
The whole weekend I was talkingabout you.
I was like I'm about to do thispodcast I'm, by the way.
The whole weekend I was talkingabout y'all, about this pocket.
I about to meet him.
Um, not everybody knows you,though, but a lot of people do,
and then I'm seeing you'reblowing the fuck up too excuse
my language you're blowing up,man.
You're getting you're gettingthe recognition that you deserve
to be honest with you, becausepeople are not able to, even
(21:56):
because I'm gonna tell you thereason why.
I already know, because this ishow people said we understand
your message, don, but, um, youneed to come down here with it.
You got to come back.
So many people think they'regrowing.
At 14 or 15, that's when theyjump off the porch, you think
they're grown.
Or when you go to jail, or whenyou first have sex, it keeps
you from growth a lot of peoplefrom growth, and that made all
the sense in the world to me,you know.
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So, for me there's.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
There's.
When I started doing mystudying, because I was put in a
situation to where I had to goin there and represent myself, I
didn't have the finances tohire an attorney which I'm
thankful that I didn't, becauseI'm glad I didn't back it worked
out for the best.
Yes, um, but I, you know, doingmy research as I'm searching
certain codes, case law, I cameacross this one guy on YouTube
(22:47):
named Rick W, and he he was,he's an ex NYPD police officer.
Wow, and he educated at histime at the department.
He educated the policedepartment on how to stay
compliance with the law, butjust so happened, he got put on
child support.
Wow.
So now he man, he told him abrand new asshole.
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Wow, so he knew the law.
He knew the law because hetaught the department the law
you know most, most policeofficers don't know the law, so
but he did but here's the thing,and it goes back to what you
were saying, the reason why Ibrought that up because a lot of
people that I consult or thatfollow me, they say, yeah, you
(23:29):
know, I I'm tuned in with rick,but I just I can't relate.
It's like it's it's over myhead right when I seen you like
you articulated in in a way towhere I can understand it.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I'm from the urban area so it's like I it resonated
, it was like it just hit so somy dad you know I grew up
fatherless and stuff my daddidn't wasn't on child support
because he was able to sign uphis rights hmm, now I learned
about rights.
Now you sign up your rightswhen you're on food stamp,
section a.
A lot of people don't know thatit's a certain energy.
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I'm very special, so that wasdefinitely section 8 homes, hud
homes.
They don't have fathers and setup on that energy pattern.
But my dad I used to donateplasma.
I had a rough time on my.
My daddy never asked me to dothat.
He was like quit doing thatshit boy.
He was drunk and shit, but hetaught me I was like.
He never asked me to do that.
He was like quit doing that,shit Boy.
He was drunk and shit, but hetold me I was like.
He never asked me to do nothing.
So I'm going to do it.
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I'm going to quit sellingplasma.
He said that shit ain't goodfor our people.
But I started working there.
But that's when I startedrelating with our people, man.
But St Louis was horrible man.
I was in a.
It was just horrible.
But that's I mean.
Everybody loved me, I couldtalk to everybody and I was with
the Morris and they always tellme teach your people about
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nationality.
Teach your people to know theConstitution and to never put
the Bible down, because a lot ofpeople don't know with law.
The first irrevocable trustthere is in their system is the
Ten Commandments.
That's law.
That's their law.
That's why you never see Jewishpeople really go to jail.
That's private law, none of theTen Commandments.
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When you're under the birthcertificate, now you're under
the closing statutes and thesocial security number.
That trust changes every stateyou go Different jurisdictions,
you're going to be taxeddifferently.
So that's how it works withchild support.
You know yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
And so just to give people, just for the people that
don't know I know you have youraudience is a higher education
audience, but just for thepeople that don't know, I just
want to give you a briefeducation on a child support
system.
So child support started.
So TANF not even TANF the titlefor a of the 1935 Social
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Security Act.
It started in 1935 when theyhad it was around the Great
Depression and women reallycouldn't work in 1935.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
So if a man went, to war and then they was going
through the Great Depression.
Women could not supportthemselves.
So, not to cut you short, sochild support, it starts off.
The Social Security Act, yes.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Wow, it starts.
Yeah, is the 1935 socialsecurity all the sense in the
world title 4a is it comes from?
It was written into law into inthe 1935 social security act
wow, I never knew that.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, it's all tied together.
Yeah, that, yeah, but I neverknew.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I never went back to the root.
It was the, the 1935 SocialSecurity Act, and it was aid for
dependent children.
So it was ADC and I believe itwas like 1962.
They did an amendment becauseit was only for the children.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
And do you know what amendment means?
It means a change Correct.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, exactly the.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Constitution starts at Amendment one, so people
don't even know the Articles ofConfederation or the Bill of
Rights.
Mm, hmm.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah.
And then so in 19, I believe itwas 1962, they did a amendment
to where they added on families.
So it went from ADC to AFDC andthat's when you know it's still
the cash aid, the Medicaid andthe food stamps.
But then as they start lookingat where are we giving out all
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of this free money to?
And then they start to see theystart giving out to a lot of
underprivileged areas andthey're like this is not what we
intended this for.
So then they had to come upwith another amendment to combat
all of this free money that wegiven out.
And that's where Title 4D, akachild support.
Because Title 4D, child support, is a marketing strategy for
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title 4d.
Because it is.
And let me explain that.
Because if I told you, yo donyo, man, you paid your title 4d,
and then you're like title 4d,what is title 4d?
But if I say, man, you ain'tpaid your child support, oh it
is different, it taps into thoseemotions, it's a trigger.
Child support is the marketingstrategy for title 4d.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Title 4d is the enforcement that they go after
non-custodial parents you'rejust getting started, bro yeah I
see great things for you, manman like man, you're in tune,
like a very like.
That's hard work and study man.
Anybody can get it though right, but you put forth, and you put
forth the study man, you haveclarity.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Clarity makes diamonds, bro man, I mean, this
is my life.
And when, when you was forcedto into, when you back yourself
into a corner, you either gonnafold it, you'll come out
swinging I learned because I'mtrying to get a job.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Well, I don't use the word try no more.
What happens if you try to makea church on sunday.
But I was at that point.
You know I'm in the halfwayhouse, I'm I'm looking for a
place, but they're taking moneyout my check.
I gotta pay the halfway house30 and now child support is
garnishing my wages.
So that's when I learned aboutindependent contracting.
So that's and that's when Istarted learning why, why can't
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child support touch me?
Now start learning how to makemy name a business.
Learn how to make checks go tomy name as a business.
That's a bar right there and Itry like Jay Z said it.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
But here's the thing I, when I educate people, again,
I try, I'm conscious enough tonot tether the line of education
and legal advice.
What you just said was a bar.
I made myself a business to whythey can't touch me.
Now, right, and people alwaysact and I'm like, well, why are
they coming after me?
I said, well, there's public,there's private.
(29:12):
Yes, there's.
What is public.
Public is hey, here's my socialsecurity number here, I'm over
here, come see me.
I like that.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
So we were just talking about section eight,
hood housing.
What is that?
That's public housing.
Come on.
Public assistance, publicdefender, yeah, all these deal
with the government.
The public sector of theeconomy is part of the economy
that the government controls.
The private sector is part ofthe economy that the government
does not control.
We, the people, we the people.
It's to the person.
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Yeah, in the courtroom you're aperson, a persona, her son, one
son.
You're going to be savedthrough the father.
There's a reason they leave thefather of child or of birth
certificates because the, the,the state, takes guardianship
and that's why they are trustlaw guardianship they're
establishing the parent-childrelationship.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
But here's the thing I don't need you to establish no
parent-child relationship.
So before, just say, forinstance, you signed
acknowledgement on paternity onday three, so you're telling me
on day one and day two that mychild was in this hospital, that
this child wasn't my child,right, come on now?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, I don't do anything with their logos or
anything.
A lot of people don't know thatforms identification in the
system, because people do usethe birth certificate as
identification, correct?
Yes, I'm not seven pounds, sixounces, no more.
So why are you identifying withthis?
Wow, you know.
Wow, I mean, if it's not yoursigns and symbols, it doesn't
belong to you.
So you can use family Bibles.
Have you heard of family Bibles?
(30:36):
Yes, so family Bibles are aform of identification.
Affidavits of live birth youcan create your own affidavits
of birth.
You can use patents of nativityyou can look these things up
and baby land deeds.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
And that's why I said in the beginning I wouldn't
have signed a birth certificate,I would have created my own
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
That's it, and all you have to do is contact the
legal department oradministration at any hospital.
You can establish arelationship with a private
trust, a private family trust.
I don't care if it's $100 amonth.
Donate to the hospital.
They're going to put you on thedonor board and they're going
to give you private practiceinstead of public practice.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
For all the conspiracy theorists out there,
yeah, so I mean it's public andprivate and as much as
information that I'm now privyto.
I'm still a student of the game, so as I'm sitting here, I'm
still learning.
Man, I got chills from you likeeight times.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I'm still learning, bro.
Hey man, you're a powerfulbrother man and I mean I knew
you, knew your shit.
I watch you, I see you, but Ididn't know.
You know your shit, shit likethis man, like I don't even know
how.
There's no words to explain howenlightened you are.
You cannot get so in in theprivate world.
(31:50):
We use private attorneys and weuse trust attorneys.
We don't use, because if youget a defense attorney, that
makes you a defendant becausethat's a status and you're
waiving your rights.
You make a general appearance.
Even in the private.
We can't get information likelike you've have um people I
call them downloads, people saycall them upgrades.
But you understand what I'msaying.
Like I'm I've I've been incircles, bro, the last 10 years.
I've been in some powerfulcircles and had not heard
(32:12):
anybody speak um like you, likeyou're speaking right now, like
we didn't agree to nothing.
I feel like I have to drop youa donation after this, this
podcast it's I, it's my life,bro, like this was like you know
.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
So this is the thing, and I don't like to go too deep
into this aspect of it, becausemy thing is not to bash women,
or especially not a black woman,but I was unfortunately put in
a situation to where I found outabout my child support case
seven years after it opened.
Wow, why?
Because I was in the streetshustling when I got a job.
(32:46):
I got contacted by HR on paydayand was like look, we just got
an income withholding order tostart garnishing your checks.
I'm like income withholdingorder what is that?
And they're like well, fromchild support.
I contact child support andthey say, well, well, yeah, you,
it's a little bit too late forthis because according to
California code, such and suchand such, you have six months to
respond.
(33:06):
It's been seven years.
I'm like wait what do?
you mean, it's been seven years.
That was the administrativeprocess, exactly.
So it's like a lot of them areon the phone too.
Yeah, yeah, so it's like sevenyears.
So it's like now I go to thefamily law facilitator who's
supposed to self-help, but theytell me the same thing.
It's like, man, sir, it's beenseven years, ain't nothing you
can do nothing you can do so forfor the next 13 years.
(33:26):
I'm under the impression underthe miseducation that there's
nothing that I can do until likethat so you was 13 years, I was
on child support.
I found I was on child supportfor 22 years 22 years.
But what I'm saying is wow, 20years for 20 years, I'm under
the impression or 7, 7, 13 years, because I found out seven
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years after it was open so forthe next 13 years.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I'm aware of it 20 years right there that's 20
years right there.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Wow, but I'm paying.
I they start taking my license.
I went to jail for driving onsuspended license.
The judge said if you come backyou're doing 180 days.
I went through all that I sawand I'm not going to do 180 days
for no child support.
So I got to fix it.
I enter into a contract withchild support under duress to
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now pay them additional $50 so Ican keep my license.
But every year my license stillgot suspended.
So in Missouri.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I was able to modify.
You can modify every threeyears and I was in prison when I
modified it.
It went to a dollar a month.
My baby mama ain't talking tome since, but dollar a month.
When I got out to get mylicense back I paid $49 in
arrears.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
So that was a lick for me at that point in time.
So, look, I contacted people.
I said yo, why is my licensekeep getting suspended?
And the lady said and I'mtalking to her.
I said, man, I don't even knowwhy I'm going through this.
Anyway, it's fraud and the ladythe lady said fraud.
What do you mean fraud?
You got served.
I said wait, what I got served.
She said yeah, you got served.
I said well, tell me what daydid I get served, because I've
been with me every day of mylife and I know I didn't get
served.
So she placed me on hold.
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She come back.
I'm sorry, mr Tillman, we don'thave your signature.
I said oh, it's on.
She said but that don't matteranyway, because you volunteered
a program, you volunteered intothe program.
I did what.
She said yeah, we got yoursignature.
I said well, tell me what day Isigned.
She come back.
Sorry, mr Tillman, we don'thave your signature.
So from that point she told menow, now, mind you, but at this
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13 years I'm under theimpression, or miseducation,
that I could.
There's nothing else that canbe done.
But she just opened the door.
She said that I got served andthat I volunteered into the
program.
So she just told me that childsupport was voluntary like,
though obviously I said oh, whatmade you?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
what made you?
Focused on that, though, likeyou knew that there was light at
the end of the tunnel orsomething like that.
It was that point.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
It was that point when I'm talking to child
support services and a lady toldme that I got served.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
If somebody else would hear that, they might have
heard that conversation totallydifferently.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
But she told me she had my signature right and you
said she did and she said, shedid so.
Then she knew that's fraud andthen when she came back and she
said, no, we don't have yoursignature.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I said oh, okay, that's one.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Then she said I have volunteered into the program.
People don't know that childsupport is voluntary.
Yes, it is it's a program.
You break down what childsupport services and programs so
we start the public sector, theprivate sector come on the
voluntary sector there.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
It is voluntary into the public and that's what
happens.
So for a court case to evenstart, it has to be an affidavit
, it has to be the person thathas to be the people that create
the affidavit.
The corporation can't creep out.
I create an affidavit, theycreate building statements.
Come on now, create statements,not affidavits.
So only the live person, person, live, live people, like living
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.
So, how you want to do,whatever jurisdiction you want
to be in, I don't like to wear anatural person, but, um, they
can only create an affidavitthat proves you're alive.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, so I mean, from that point on I just started
doing more research to see whatelse are they supposed to do.
And that's how I came apart,came to find out their policy.
And then I I just educatedmyself and I took them to court
and represented myself.
And like I was nervous the veryfirst hearing.
But from that point, likeeverybody else, they was coming
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in and out.
They in and out, people'ssocking walls, cussing, getting
escorted out by the sheriff,they in and out my very first
hearing.
We was in there for at least 30to 45 minutes.
I said, oh, they respondeddifferent.
They responded different.
So from that point on, man, Iwas first day of school ready.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Every day I'm ready to come back to court I've never
been scared of.
I mean my first one.
I got rid of my.
I've been on child support.
I'm not proud of it or anything.
I'm not saying this is what youshould do, but I've been on
child support by three differentpeople.
I got rid of all of them, buttwo of them, two of my
children's mother, got togetherand then got it switched to
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Florida.
That's the one I had sent you,but it was in.
Missouri first, and I got it ridof in Missouri, and then they
found a bookkeeper's address inum, florida, and they accepted
mail on my behalf.
You know they said if you don'tcome to court, we're
automatically.
It's a default.
It's a default.
Yeah, yeah, so and and.
But.
The way I fight it is um.
First of all, if the attorneyon the case represents your
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children now that's not yourchildren anymore, it's the
so-called I don't even know whatit is.
They're not a prosecutingattorney, because there's no
crime that's been committed.
You have the right to face youraccuser, but it is always the
opposite party who is giveninformation.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
So let me let me say I'm oh, I'm glad you said that.
Let me let me enlighten you alittle bit.
So child support in familycourt.
Now, going back to the 1935social security act, when I said
when the Great Depression,women couldn't work, so if a man
left his woman in 1935 or hewent to war in 1935, the woman
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could not support herself.
So they said that if you leftyour woman in 1935, you have
abandoned this woman in yourfamily.
You have abandoned her.
We're still operating in 2024from the 1935 social security
act.
So that's, you said thatthere's no crime.
So when you said the the childsupport attorney represents your
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child and for some people itsays your child versus you on
the actual document.
You know why?
Because what they're trying totell you is that.
What are the damages?
They said that your child isthe injured party.
You are the person that injuredthem.
What are the damages?
Your child is or will becomedependent upon government
assistance.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
So the birth certificate makes your child?
Here's what I tell people.
First, she was just fine.
They put you on a birthcertificate.
You get defined, so whatthey're doing is making you now
have become property of thegovernment.
That's what happens, even witha marriage license, and if you
look up something calledunijoint, it's private law.
Same way with car insuranceit's putting you under.
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If you're in the public, youneed insurance.
Every government official has abond as well, but these are
things we go after Me personally, when I've helped people in
these situations and done it formyself.
When people ask for proof, Ijust show them my information.
I don't like showing none of myclients, anything but attorney
(40:13):
means the turnover.
People don't know that they'renot lawyers.
A lawyer is a layman.
They break down the law for you, everybody's a layman, and then
you can have the attorney likepower of attorney.
So people ask me if my attorneyin fact I am, because they
don't operate off facts.
A fact cannot enter a courtroom.
It's always assumptions andpresumptions, but I go after to
make sure that they have a barcard, a bar or a license to
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practice law.
No one, no, no one.
No judge or attorney.
This wife of the five has alicense to practice law.
They have bar cards, correct,and and that's a membership to a
fraternity and and a part ofthat bar association.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
If you look at it, it says that their first duty is
to the court, not to the clientthat's it.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
That's it, they're.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
They're a spy for the court, that's, it literally
says that your first duty is tothe court we're gonna have to
redo them and I close it out.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, they're beeps, they beats.
Oh, we just keep going.
All right, it's cool, we justkeep going, man, but um, but no,
we just keep going.
That's cool, that's cool, wejust keep it right here.
We just keep it right here,keep going, man.
We're gonna close it out,though, man, but man, I
appreciate you coming down.
Man, you know a lot.
There's this we didn't cover.
Um, there's minute.
(41:21):
Yeah, yeah, um, you're, you'reman.
I'm speechless.
You gave me chills.
I love it when I get to learn.
Likewise, I get to learn on myum.
You know what we're doing, it'sour, this is what we do, but
you get to learn with otherpeople in like minds, but let
everybody know how they followyou, how they can reach you.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
yeah, I mean, for me, everything is child support is
fraud, whether it's's Instagram,all one word.
All one word Child support isfraud.
Instagram, youtube.
Child support is fraud dot com.
But take care of your kids,because this is not no get out
of jail free card.
I do not advocate for anyparent to not take care of their
children.
I advocate for parents for bothfit parents to have joint
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physical custody over theirchildren.
I advocate for parents for bothfit parents to have joint
physical custody over theirchildren.
I'm not challenging anyparent's responsibility to not
take care of their children.
I'm challenging the childsupport system in itself to
ensure that it's following itsown procedures.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
And everything is spot on.
I like the way he moves.
I've never seen.
Well, I'm not going to saynever seen, but there's very few
people out here that teach youthat the government is operating
on fraud.
But you're not going to get theproof that, the proof they
don't admit that they're wrong.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Bro, I'm going to show it to you when we get it.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Literally said they say they're honorable courts.
That's what they say.
They say they're children and Isaid you've mistaken.
And he said we don't makemistakes.
That's what they told me.
That's what they told me.
They said you're paying childsupport.
I said I'd be damned if I do.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Yeah, when you look at my order after the hearing,
it literally says that the casewas dismissed for stressing
fraud because child support.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I proved that they didn't follow their own
procedures.
So me support.
I proved that they didn'tfollow their own procedures, I
just so.
So me personally.
I just think it's wrong.
Like I know you chose thatperson you know to have an
offspring with.
So figure it out.
Yeah, it's a private familymatter.
It's hard.
It was, man.
I had to struggle for a whilebefore I learned independent
contracting and being anentrepreneur and business owner,
it was hard to get aheadbecause child support keeps
hitting my checks, luckily.
(43:22):
And business owner, it was hardto get ahead because child
support keeps hitting my checks,luckily.
I lived in the hood with somemelanated women.
They said, boy, you better findthe hustle.
So you know that's the only wayI was able to get out.
That you know, because I had amotivation.
There was no turning back.
But other people, you know,they just dwell on it and they
let it eat them up, man.
So out here in the corporateworld it is hard, even in the
celebrity world.
Eat them up, man.
So out here in the corporateworld it is hard, even in the
(43:43):
celebrity world somebody makesit.
And you know there's peoplepaying millions of dollars in
child support.
That's not right.
No, it's not right.
Come up with a privateagreement.
The government can't interferewith a private contract I say it
all the time, man.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I say it all the time , arc one section 10.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
There it is.
When you're using that, that'show you're able to use the case
law as well.
Man, you did have some.
Do you know some case law thatpeople want to look up?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yeah, so the number one case law regarding child
support is a case is SupremeCourt case law Blessing versus
Freestone.
Blessing versus Freestone saysthere was five women from
Arizona who were receivinggovernment assistance.
So they were receiving child umgovernment assistance.
So they're receiving title 4a,the 10th um.
(44:25):
They gave the fathers away.
Now they're going after thefathers, but child support is
keeping all of the money.
So the five women ain't like yo, why are we only getting
minimum amounts of money?
And so they took child supportto court.
In that case, in order forchild support to keep the money,
they had to tell on themselves.
And in that case, in order forchild support to keep the money,
they had to tell on themselves.
And in that case law they saidchild support was never intended
(44:49):
to benefit the child nor thecustodial parent.
Wow, it was intended to benefitthe state, because the the
whole purpose of title 4d was torecoup the money from title 4a,
the 10th grant.
That's the entire.
And they also.
They also said that there wasno right to child support.
(45:10):
There is.
I'm gonna say that again thereis no right to child support.
So these are.
That is the most monumentalcase and how I use that in my
hearing.
So when my case got dismissed,child support attorney said well
, now we have to deal with themoney, because we took a lot of
(45:30):
money from him and we didn'tjust the state, didn't just get
the money, she got some of themoney too.
Now, mind you, it's 22 yearslater.
So they say well, it's not inthe best interest of the child
to make her pay back the money.
Objection Remember don't sayremember that.
Remember Blessing versusFreestone.
When y'all told which I tellthe five women from Arizona the
(45:51):
child support was never intendedto benefit the child nor the
custodial parent, I, like you,said objection.
Of course you got to objectbecause, like you said, they
work under presumption, you haveto object.
I was an oblivious objector inthat hearing.
Anything that I did not agreewith, I objected to it.
They said I made voluntarypayments.
Objection no, payments were notmade voluntary, they were made
under duress.
You suspended my license, putme in jail in cars, it's all all
(46:15):
the ways.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
If you don't have, come on, bro, and listen.
I want you to know I objectedto some stuff and I didn't know
everything I was doing at first.
But you can make some shit up,bro.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
I'll just be like under 12, usc 411 you know, I
mean, now they gotta, now theygotta go, look it up they gotta
go.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Look it up, man yeah, yeah I like that.
So another case law that I usedin my paperwork is called
transyaro.
Okay, and what that is is itproves that talks about the 14th
Amendment citizen.
But the government can't useanything against you, or the
opposing party can't useanything against you.
The attorney is either awitness or an attorney.
How can you put evidence?
(46:49):
Because this attorney isputting evidence against you.
Either you are an attorney oryou're a witness.
You can't be both.
Oh wow, that's a bar.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
That's a bar, that's a bar Transy versus Peg Liaro.
There's another one, burhamversus Superior Court, another
Supreme Court case law, and thatcase law is stated that these
administrative officers, theyare not judicial officers.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
That's why I'm going to fake judges.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
They're administrators, officers.
That's why I'm going to fakejudges.
They're administrators.
It literally says that in orderto in for this to be enforced,
it has to be signed by an actualjudge.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
And and I proved that these are not article three
judges.
They're not at all.
You make do your administrator,yeah, and, and another thing
when it comes to that is um,that's why I say I'm a, I'm a
minister.
You're adding a ministeradminister, and the prime
minister in Russia, right, thepope, one of the ecclesiastical
law.
So everything is spiritual.
When you trace the money, whenit goes back, when you deposit
(47:46):
it into a court, it goes back toa 508C1 trust, which is a
faith-based organization inPuerto Rico under the Judge
Association.
It gets deep.
They all get payouts on theback end and they pay no taxes
because it's trust law.
You're the one administeringthe trust and anytime there's a
court case, that's a taxableevent.
And since you don't have bondor insurity bond or you're
(48:08):
bonded as the public officialbecause now you're in the public
government contract, your nameis a business.
When you say I understand mycharge, you just create a
government contract, now youunderstand that these agencies
are federal.
So under the Rooker-FeldmanDoctrine, state agencies cannot
use federal information toenforce crimes in court and
(48:30):
things like that.
Wow, yeah, I studied too.
Man, wow, he said I studied too.
Yeah, I studied too.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
If there's no victim, it's not a crime, man, and
that's, that's the thing.
And so to, and, and they alwaysthey don't tell you this, but
they're trying to and, like yousaid, if there's no victim,
there's no crime.
There has to be an injuredparty.
Right, that's fact.
There has to be an injuredparty.
That's right.
And there's, um, there's caselaw on that.
But when, when you're lookingat your, they're saying that you
(48:59):
abandoned your child and thatyou injured your child.
So the thing is like, I'venever abandoned my child and
another word you used wascustody.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yes, custodial.
You can only have custody overproperty.
This is why you understand it'sa fight for intellectual
property.
And then that's why I trademarkyour name, I trademark your
signature, I trademark thethumbprint.
If you got the footprint,trademark that too mmm when,
anytime they're putting it on apiece of paper or something,
they're using the, the UnitedStates Postal System, the
(49:28):
contract with you, and they'reprinting your name and
publication.
That's public publications andif you have a trademark or copy
written, you can get rid of thatif they.
If it's not, since certifiedmail, you don't.
You need to know who's sendingyou this information right to
face your accuser.
Of course you do.
Once they sign your contractsin the mail, you can.
If you've got your own adhesioncontracts now, they're bound by
(49:48):
your agreements because theysign for it.
That's a boy.
Yeah, that's how I move it.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
It's different.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
I'm out with that man You're good man.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Man, I salute you, man, I salute you as well, man,
I appreciate you for bringing meon your platform, introducing
me to your community.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Nothing but you know, yeah get ready for the floor
gates to open.
You can have them all, he saidit's a headache, it's a headache
for me, man, and I want y'allto know, like because I'm
getting celebrities doing it nowtoo and I mean it sounds crazy.
But, man, you know, if they'rewilling to pay what I weigh, I'm
gonna do it, but I'm gettingaway from this because I'm
making movies.
Yeah, I'm in the music industryand you heard all my plans with
(50:27):
the, with the health care, I'mgonna be working with um, um,
prisons and stuff.
So, yeah, with rehabilitation,that's what we Okay, getting
people trained up with the rightthings.
I'm forcing them to buy myproducts soaps, things like that
and even implement programs andeven rehab.
We need cures, not just keepmaking money off our people, for
(50:48):
sure, for sure.
So that's how I'm looking atthings.
I got the black dollar, so Imight as well.
That's productive.
Black dollars matter.
Yeah, black dollars do matter.
They made me relevant today.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
That's how I can live this life.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
I love my black people, but that's an adjective,
not a noun, so it gets rid ofyour nationality when you claim
that you're black.
But that's another deep I'm outman.
Much peace and love, peace.
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