EPISODE 20: Team Bernie?

In this gripping episode, we plunge into the murky waters of the Bernie Tita case, a true crime that intertwines kindness and betrayal. Bernie was once a beloved mortician in Carthage, Texas, whose warm heart and good deeds earned him the town’s admiration. However, beneath this genial façade lies a complicated story of entitlement, control, and ultimate tragedy involving the wealthy widow Marjorie Nugent. Together, they embarked on a tumultuous journey, overshadowed by a chilling event where Bernie snapped and shot Marjorie, an act that would redefine his life forever.

As we explore the dramatic events leading to Marjorie's tragic end, we also navigate community reactions that unveil conflicting emotions—while many were horrified by the murder, others couldn’t reconcile the act with the image of the caring Bernie they knew. This episode raises profound ethical questions about empathy, morality, and the human condition: can one sympathize with a murderer? The complexities are layered, and we invite listeners to reflect on the dichotomy of good versus evil, how past trauma manifests in actions, and whether forgiveness can ever come into play.

Join us for a candid discussion as we unravel Bernie’s psyche and ask whether he truly became the villain or merely succumbed to circumstance. By the end of the episode, you'll be left pondering challenging questions regarding humanity, violence, and the shades of morality. Don't forget to subscribe and share your thoughts with us! Your feedback is invaluable as we delve into more stories that reveal the multilayered nature of life.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Jesse.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hello Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Are you saying that like Hannibal, because you were
wearing him on your shirt today?
Oh, hello Lindsay.
Hello Clarice, hello Clarice,that's what his shirt has.
Hello, clarice, I'm wearingPink Floyd because we were
jamming to some Pink Floyd.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Happy Friday, Lindsay .

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Happy Friday, hello.
What are you drinking today?

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Can you hear the lambs?
Can you hear the lambs, Lindsay?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Nope, they're silenced.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
They're silenced.
I'm drinking more Halpiders.
I had to get it.
I had to get it.
The apple pie Rattle, rattle.
It's so good to me and I loveit so much.
What are you drinking?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I am on Blackberry Bam-ba-lam.
Hell yeah, white Claw.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Bam-ba-lam, lindsey, I'm on number five.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
You know what I did.
You know what I did.
I snuck and got me a Bam-ba-lamfrom the convenience store for
band practice and I said Iwanted me a white claw
blackberry band one.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
You found one at a convenience store in a tall boy.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah it was a big one , big old, good one.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Nice, because usually I can only find, like
watermelon or ruby, grapefruit.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
It was good, I sucked it up.
I was like I don't care, I'mgoing to drink this Ruby red
grapefruit.
Lindsey won't let me have them,but she will.
Lindsay won't let me have them,but she will but still.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
I don't drink them because I save them for yourself
.
I do.
I let you talk them on yourshow, because you're the liquor
guy, I'm the seltzer girl.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, okay, okay, okay, okay.
What were we checking to aminute ago?
What was that?
We were mic checking.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Chumbawumba.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Chumbawumba.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Was it Chumbaw?
Nope, that's what we talkedabout on the recap.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
We were saying something British.
What was it?
Bottle of water, bottle ofwater, bottle of water.
Oh, you don't put the ta inthere.
Bottle of water Bottle, that'sLiverpool style.
Yes, so we're learning thedifference.
So I think London is bottle ofwater.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
And Liverpool is bottle of water.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Bottle of water E by gum from my Liverpool guys E-Buy
Gum they're from Liverpool.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Have we shared that story yet?

Speaker 3 (02:07):
We have not.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Okay, so we're at Rockville 20-something and we
thought Wait a minute Yorkshire.
Yorkshire, yorkshire.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
That's what it was.
We're getting it right now.
We're getting it right.
Yorkshire, our Yorkshire fansyes.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Check this, we're getting it right.
Yorkshire, our yorkshire fansyes, check this out.
Lindsey's got a story.
So we think we are at the stagefor butcher babies.
But it was actually askingalexandria and we were up front,
so we're like, okay, we're notgonna move, we're gonna check
out, asking alexandria.
And this lady was next to us,she was older, with her son, she
was probably in her 50s andthis bitch had a never-ending
cigarette blood alcohol contentof 9.9 yes, never-ending
cigarette.
It was like wendy on fucking theshining, just continuous

(02:53):
cigarette I loved it.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, she was great so she was so awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
She was like when they come on stage, you gotta
say e by gum.
You gotta say e by gum andthey'll come down and talk to us
, because they're yorkshire boysand we like okay, we had no
idea what the fuck she's yellingit like yes, yeah, let me, let
me, let me see if I can do itright.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
A by gum, a by gum.
She's yelling like the wholeconcert.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
We were kind of new to asking alexandria and we had
no idea what she was talkingabout.
So later on we realized thatshe was saying oh my God, oh my
God, from yes, from their song.
What is it?
The last episode?
The final episode?

Speaker 3 (03:35):
I mean, of course, in that song they yeah, In the
final episode they play it yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh my God.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, and it's my favorite song.
Oh my God, yeah, and it's myfavorite song.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yes, it's like oh, my God, yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, it's very good, it's very good.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
And they did it Like.
We've seen Asking Alexandriathree times now and they didn't
do it the first two times, butthey did it at Louder Than Life
because Danny's vocals hadrecovered.
Yeah, that's right, that'sright.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Even when we seen him the first time, he was all like
eh, eh, eh.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yes, he was holding back.
I'm doing the best I can.
He was singing his higher, hismore melodic songs.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
He's like I'm doing the best I can, guys, yeah, and
I get that.
Being a performer and you'rehaving to play like 30 shows in
a row every day, that's tough.
You got to have that staminaand you know people are just
built different when it comes tothat.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Danny Worsnop yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Well, he moved to Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
And I talked to him about his studio stuff and
sharing music back and forth andhe's like, yeah, you can come
over and record with us.
And he gave me a price and Iwas like I'm not signed though.
I'm not signed bro, I'm notsigned.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
I'm not ready already .
We are not in that tax bracket,I'm not.
I'm not already ready.
But thank you, danny but yeah,it was cool talking to him a
little bit about but the louderthan life show I was so excited
for because I just knew I waslike they're gonna play the
final episode.
And they fucking did and I blewup you did, period, you did.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
you should see her face when she gets all lit up at
a concert Yours too.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's our happy place.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
I know you will never see us.
She does that open mouth likelooking around.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
You will never see either one of us happier than
you will at a festival concertperiod, point blank.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I watched Lindsay in a mosh pit one time.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
I danced on the devil's dance floor.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
The devil's dance floor.
Thank you, flog and Molly, verygood.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I have a video of you from Louder Than Life, flog and
Molly, and it was so adorable.
You were so happy you werestarting mosh pits.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
You were just Best wishes to the singer right now.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
With your little backpack.
I know Dave King, please getbetter.
Come back, dave, we need you,we were literally looking for
shows Because I wanted a saltydog cruise and I never did get
it.
Oh, he's going to be fine, he'sgoing to be fine.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
He's going to be fine .

Speaker 1 (05:53):
We're putting that out there.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
With our powers combined, mr King.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Dave King will be album.
Shit, we're ready love all theflogging molly.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
That stuff is just I'm geeking, so I'm gonna let
you fly, lindsey, I'm just going.
Well, I want to say, if you'renew here, this is episode 20, 20
and what we do is 20, yay, yay.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
And we broke 500 downloads too, isn't?
That awesome, yes, so we have adrink, it cuts off so fast.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
We have a drink, we talk about true crime and we
plug a band that we're diggingand we think that you should
listen to as well, and 99% of itI know nothing.
So yeah, jesse knows nothing.
This is a.
It's also an absolute, true,natural organic reaction.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
She won't let me.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Jesse has no idea.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Some of this stuff I know a little bit about.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
With Eileen.
You knew of her, but you didn'tknow the details.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
I watched the movie.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Even if he knows the case, he doesn't know what I
know about the case.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, so go ahead and do that intro.
Happy Friday.
Happy Friday everybody.
I'm so excited.
I really am.
I'm flipping excited right now.
Oh, it's bumping.
Good, here we go.
You know, I listen to this inmy car.

(07:21):
It sounds so good.
I do.
I do Like I'll be driving downthe road and I'm just like I
just want to play their introsong.
I'm like boom, boom, boom.
I'm on my way to Burger King.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Well, what made you feel old this week?

Speaker 3 (07:42):
I was just looking at myself.
I felt old.
I really did.
And I got sunburned because Iwas doing like the damn tanning
and shit we're in the tanningbed so I hurt everywhere.
And then I walked around thelake and I did my little weight
so my arms were hurting.
I mean, I guess that was allbrought up on myself.
I probably look old because Iwas all sunburned.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I don't know.
You say I look good, though youdo, you're beautiful.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, what about you?
I got a little frog today.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
So it's my knees still, but it's predominantly my
left knee I have it was my leftknee.
I'm doing the stairs again.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
My name's Lindsey and this is my left knee.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
My left knee named Lindsey.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Her knees.
Any of her elements are namedLindsay also.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Just saying but my left knee is being rebellious,
and it's funny because I have agroup chat with two of my
besties, and one of my otherbesties is also her left knee.
Her left knee, her left knee,is killing her too.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
So yes, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
And she is about five years younger than us.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
It's good that we can laugh about it, though, because
you don't want to be like I'mjust downtrodden, we're old,
just cut up.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
That's the whole thing about hanging out, but
we're trying to be healthy,we're taking the supplements,
we're doing good.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think we look amazing for 40 plus.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Millennial babies hit different man Well Gen X and
millennials, we're doing good.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Gen X does look good.
Still Wow, gen X kudos.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
I follow quite a bit of Gen Xers on TikTok.
They're making moves too.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
They're finally like they can hold shit and make shit
happen.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Late 70s, early 80s babies, or all 80s babies.
We are aging like fine wine,yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
I think so.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
And I think that's also because we're not
succumbing to looking old beforeour time.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Speaking of aging, how Patters is thinking about
making a bourbon.
They are making a whiskey andI'm loving how, patters, if
you're around the Lake City area, I was actually disappointed
that you didn't bring.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Oh, you still got some of the rum up there.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, I didn't drink it all.
That shit was good.
I wanted another switch.
I didn't drink it all.
Okay, we'll do Bouchati later.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Okay, bouchati, fly, though I'm gonna let you fly.
Well, I just wanted to um sayone thing that was going on in
the world, but I forgot about itbecause I didn't make a move
thing that's going on in theworld.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
You don't know, you don't remember.
You're not getting old, are you?
Yeah, it's completely.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I didn't write it down, so fuck it all right.
So we are drinking about, uh,bernie tita today and his
companion Marjorie Nugent, solet's get started.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Hey, here we go.
I'm in the hot seat, here we go.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
So a few years back, we had just purchased the
Peacock streaming app, so Icould have endless access to the
office and parks, andrecreation.
I love Peacock.
Yes, by the way.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yes, I love it, I do.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
And then we also watch Brooklyn Nine-Nine and all
of our SNL shits on there.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
And the 50th anniversary.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yes, it was just tripping about a couple weeks
ago, last week, last week yeah,god.
So I was checking out some ofthe other stuff and came across
a movie named Bernie thatstarred Jack Black, shirley
MacLaine, who plays WeezerBoudreaux in Steel Magnolias,
weezer, weezer, it's all gonnahit Weezer and Matthew

(11:11):
McConaughey.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Honestly, Lindsay, we really connected over Steel
Magnolias.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Steel Magnolias is the shit.
I think I earned five coolpoints on Steel Magnolias yeah
when I was like, oh my God, thisdude will watch Steel Magnolias
with me, okay.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
And I knew, like all of it, I love it.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
It's a good movie.
Why do I?

Speaker 3 (11:30):
love chick flicks and musicals so much, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
It's alright, because you are a music person.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
So you have a little bit and you're not like
completely misogynist whereyou're like I'm not going to
watch that, that's a chick flick, I mean dudes that watch chick
flicks get closer to theirchicks.
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
So, it's a good thing .
Maybe I'm just smart like that,mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Does that sound conceited?

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, I don't know if you guys heard, because Jesse
was talking about it and MatthewMcConaughey is also in lot, but
Matthew McConaughey has doneamazing films.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
When he was playing that part, he came up with that
on his own.
He was just like how is thispersona of this guy in this
movie?
How am I going to be like?
He's going to be like, allright, all right, all right, all
right, and that's how he stuckwith his whole character.
That's really cool.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
So what's your favorite Matthew McConaughey
movie?

Speaker 3 (12:29):
It's probably.
Oh God, what was the treasure?
One that they did?

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Fool's Gold.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Fool's Gold.
I like that one a lot.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
So mine is hands down a Time to Kill.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Time to Kill.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Hands fucking down.
There's no other performancethat he has ever done that can
top that for me okay now I'vewatched all his movies.
I love him, but that one can'tbeat it time to kill he what you
remember, that right withsamuel l jackson and samuel
bullock.
Motherfucking jackson, yeah doyou remember it?
Time to Kill yeah.

(13:04):
What's it about?

Speaker 3 (13:06):
It's about a time to kill.
Oh my God, you don't know ityou asshole, what Jesus Anyway.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
So I will watch anything with Jack Black and the
other two were just a bonus andI was riveted okay, riveted.
I also realized it was a realtrue crime story and, after
doing research, it is extremelyaccurate as to what actually
happened.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Really Well, that's good.
Extremely accurate.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
They did it Perfect.
So Bernie Tito was bornBernhard Tito II on August 2,
1958.
Tita II on August 2nd 1958.
His father, bernie, was animmigrant from the Ukraine and
had become a musical.
I don't know why I say the.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Ukraine, it's just Ukraine, just Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I know.
I was hoping his daddy would becalled.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Dale Bernhardt.
Oh, my God Hold on Wait, wait,I got one.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Oh my God, I got one of those buttons, so he was a
music professor.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
I'm sorry, lindsay, I gotta let it sink in.
I just I gotta let it sink,just because I know you're
fixing to throw me some shithere in just a second.
You really are.
You put me in these spots andI'm just like Well, if you'll
let me talk, sir, I'm notcallous.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
This is a unique case .
You're not going to be as hard.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
It's not going to be as hard on you.
I won't shut my mouth.
I promise Y'all go, go.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
So Big Bernie, like I was saying, was a music
professor and choral director atOur Lady of the Lake College in
San Antonio, texas.
His mother's name was Layla MaeJester and her and Bernie Sr
were married in 1957 and thenBernie Jr was born the very next

(14:52):
year in Abilene.
Unfortunately, layla was killedin a car accident when Bernie
was just two years old Elder.
Bernie had been driving andnever forgave himself and
started drinking very heavilyafter her death.
But he did remarry in 1963.
And he also passed away whenBernie Jr was only 15 years old.

(15:16):
Bernie's stepmother andgrandmother, I guess, both
finished raising him and he wenton to be a mortician and
assistant funeral director inCarthage, texas, at the
Hawthorne Funeral Home.
In high school he had workedfor a funeral home to help
support a different funeral home, to help support the family,
and would take his friends forjoy rides in the hearse.

(15:37):
He was a popular guy, soeveryone in town loved Bernie.
He was very involved in thecommunity and anytime someone
lost a family member, not onlywas he in charge of the services
, he made it his duty tofrequently check on the
surviving family, so he seemedlike a stand-up guy.
Yeah, let me continue, though.
Oh yeah, he's a very stand-upguy, he's a stand-up guy.

(16:00):
Yes, okay, cool, but I'm aboutto go on very deeply into how
much he was loved.
So he would help people withtheir taxes and he loved to give
gifts.
In fact, the UPS truck was athis house daily with things that
he would buy for his community.
Now, this was before Amazon, sohe was he was definitely
catalog shopping for UPS to bethere all the time, cause there

(16:23):
was no Amazon back then.
He was always there for anyoneto have a nice talk and he was
the kind of guy who just madeyou feel great about yourself
and life in general after I havespoken with him.
And this man had some pipes andI'm sure that that's why they
chose Jack Black to play him,because he was singing.
He could sing.
He could sing Because JackBlack, we know, is not a very

(16:45):
tall man, but, bernie, wasactually like your height.
Oh yeah, like 6'3"-ish yeah, Ican't believe I want to watch
this show I know, I've alreadytried to let you watch it with
me before and guess whathappened.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
I fell asleep on Jacqueline Blacklin.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Jacqueline Blacklin Is it over with yet.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Can, can we go to bed ?

Speaker 1 (17:03):
So he would sing at church as well as the funeral
services.
Now, the movie is kind ofdocumentary style and the actual
townspeople are in it, and Iwrote this before I did a little
bit more deep dive.
I don't know if it was actualtownspeople in it or they just

(17:29):
had people that said thetownspeople's quotes, because
boy are they funny.
I cannot wait for you to watchthis movie okay, I'm I'm gonna
do this one.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I'm not gonna fall asleep on this one.
I work a lot of hours.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yes, he does now.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
The townspeople described bernie as loving,
charismatic.
Never met a stranger.
He was great with names.
He would remember details abouteveryone in town's family and
what was going on.
One woman said if they were tomake a list about the people in
Carthage who would make it toheaven, bernie would be at the
top.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
So just public figure number one, like perfect.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Now, when I watched the movie, it reminded me a lot
of Live Oak, the size of thattown, which is a nearby town to
us.
It was small, the community wastight and all you did was work
and go to church Kind of kneweverybody.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Really putting in a whole lot right now.
Yes, it seems like I can't waitat this moment to find out
where the breaking point is.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Now Carthage had a population of about 6,000.
So everyone knew each other andit was listed as the best small
town in Texas.
Back in this time Okay, in the90s All the widows loved Bernie.
Hell ladies in general lovedBernie, but Bernie did not love
the ladies Romantically at least.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Oh well, he was even more stand up ish, like he
wasn't a creep bag.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Well, he was a very closeted gay man and most of the
townspeople knew this, but itwas not talked about.
The elderly women loved him somuch that they would have it in
their will that they wantedBernie to sing them to heaven.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Oh wow, yeah, I'm so giddy about Bernie.
There's just something aboutBernie.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, it makes this case really hard.
Okay, so in 1991, a woman namedMarjorie Nugent lost her
husband.
This is who Shirley MacLaineplays.
Okay, yes, okay.
Marjorie Nugent lost herhusband and became very close
with Bernie.
Now, marjorie was born in 1915,just outside of Carthage, and

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her father owned a grocery store.
When she went to school, shewent to Louisiana Tech where she
would meet her husband, rlNugent, who went by Rod.
Okay, after they married, rodtook a job with Magnolia Oil,
because this is a big, it'sTexas.
It's fucking oil everywhere.
Magnolia Oil would go on to beMobile.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Oil Mobile wow.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, they would live in Louisiana, new Mexico and
Texas and would raise their onlyson, rod Jr, in Midland, texas.
When they retired they returnedto Carthage.
It's Carthage, not Carthridge.
I don't know why I keep sayingthat Carthage.
Now they were rich like richrich, rich, rich rich Rod Sr

(20:23):
bought the controlling interestin the bank of Carthage.
They bought a 6,000 square foothouse with a stone wall in the
gate, just for the two of them.
Rod Jr had gone on to do hisown thing and make a family.
So now Marjorie was theopposite of Bernie.
She was not very social, shewas not very popular and most

(20:48):
people did not have a nice thingto say about her.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
But they had money money, money, money.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
But OK.
So she was nasty to wait staff,retail workers and pretty much
anyone who would cross her path.
Someone, someone even said shewould chew your ass out at the
drop of a hat.
She would rip you a newthree-bedroom, two-bath,
double-wide asshole with noproblem With her hater blocker.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
big glasses on.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yes, yes, that's what I'm picturing.
I'm not sure.
Oh, you got it, I nailed it.
You nailed it.
Yeah, I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Holy shit Linda.
Now she had two sisters, onelived in Carthage and one lived
in Ohio, and she didn't speak tothe one in Carthage because of
a disagreement over theirmother's estate.
And this is my guy.
Had to go to my side notes here, okay.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Oh, we're in.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
So the sister that lives Side notes right now.
Yeah, you're in side notes.
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Speaker 1 (21:49):
So the sister that lives in Carthage, her name was
Meryl and she had a son namedJoe.
And Joe said, because he madelike a whole documentary, not a
documentary, he wrote a book andI did not write down what it
was called.
I apologize, I will look thatup and mention it in the next
episode.
So Joe said that Margethreatened to put him in a

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mental institute because hewouldn't cut his hair.
She chased him around the yardwith gardening shears when he
wouldn't get a wasp nest downwith his bare hands.
What?
And when Joe was 14, margelocked him in her house for two
days Fuck you, marge.
And the maid was the one whoended up letting him out and he

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called his mom.
His mom came and they were justdone.
They were done.
Now she was so jealous thatMeryl had a girl that she tried
to have Meryl and her husbanddeclared unfit so that she could
get custody of their onlydaughter, carrie.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Wow, so it sounds like.
Marge is the trigger tosomething bigger.
Yeah, wow.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
So, and the whole thing with their mother's estate
?
She was already rich, so itjust sounds like she's just
fucking greedy.
I mean, why are you gonna fightwith your sisters who do not
have the means that you haveabout your mother's estate?
Let them fucking have it.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
She came up, she came up to that millionaire.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
She came up to that, though, through her husband yeah
, through her husband so shewould also.
Barely she talked.
She barely talked to her sonand according to locals, she
barely left the house and whenshe did, she definitely acted
like she was better thaneveryone.
There was one instance whereshe argued with the local vet
over her bill being $45.

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She argued with him so hardthat he actually came down on
the price.
Marjorie was just snobby anddifficult and not well-liked, to
say the least, was just snobbyand difficult and not well liked
, to say the least.
Now her husband RL, or Rod Sr.
He died unexpectedly of heartfailure and not many folks
showed up for support, probablymostly because of Marjorie.

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The funeral services were heldwhere Bernie worked and, being
the kind person that he was, heoffered help and support.
He felt sorry for herloneliness and he gave her a
coat when she was cold andoffered to help her to her car
before heading to the burial.
Bernie and Marge would becomeclose and Bernie would always
check up on her and he becameher errand boy, getting her

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medications, food and offeredcompanionship.
Now her and Bernie would starttraveling together, and not just
in nearby areas, they would goall over the world.
I have to say this Marjorie wasin her 80s and Bernie was in
his 30s.
She gifted Bernie her $12,000Rolex watch and told the bank

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that he could spend money in hername and if they didn't like it
she would take her moneyelsewhere.
These orders were also given toher personal stockbroker.
The other town's widows gotsuper jealous because Bernie was
now spending all his free timewith Marge.
Rumors flew and it seemed thatthey had an actual relationship.

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She bought a house for Bernieand told him he could quit his
job and she would pay him to beher full-time caretaker and
business manager.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
So it just seems like that he's kind of moving in and
getting all the benefits aftereverything happened.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Right?
Well, I don't think that it washis intention for all that to
happen.
He was just trying to be niceto this lonely old lady and
everybody's jealous oh yeahbecause she's got that money,
money, money money yes, and theyloved bernie.
Everybody loved bernie and, assomeone who was only making
about 18 000 a year and behindon his bills and owed back taxes

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, he's eating it up.
This was quite the opportunity.
Yeah, she even changed her willand made Bernie the sole
beneficiary.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Oh, he gets it all.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, I mean she had a son and grandkids.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, what about them kids?
She told a cousin that shedidn't want her family to get a
cent.
She actually said not one thindime.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
And I bet everybody was just jealous and just
butthurt.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah Well, she said it's because nobody else gave a
fuck about her, but Bernie did.
Now Bernie would fill in herspot at board meetings at the
banks and he earned his pilot'slicense and Marge bought him a
couple of planes.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
So it seems like the dude was doing all this stuff
just naturally organic-ass gooddude all together and kind of
latched on to something nice butwasn't expecting anything and
just got it all in return so far.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Well, in their travels.
They went on cruises.
They traveled to Hong Kong,china, egypt.
They went to New York to seeBroadway musicals.
They sailed on the Queen Maryand flew on the Concorde, which
was apparently a huge deal.
I don't know nothing about that.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
That was the big airplane back in the day.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Okay, tell me about it.
That's why I put that, becauseI don't know nothing about the
Concorde.
I figured you would.
That's lavish-ass flying.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
If you're on the Concorde, that's like the cruise
ship of the air.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Well, I listened to another interview with Bernie
and he also said they went toBangkok, thailand, switzerland,
germany, austria, italy, franceand Russia.
All first class in allfive-star hotels.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, well, they had like the luxury plane, the big
jumbo jets and all that stuff.
They did away with that like inthe 90s, maybe in the 80s or
90s.
It was like the luxury way offlying.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
So it was a big deal.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Like soul plane, plane with no snakes.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Soul plane, for sure no hydraulics but yes, big, yeah
, concord, yeah, really so wellnow, bernie did have a lot of
things he had to do for emerge.
He had to have her medicineslaid out every day.
He would make sure he'd be ather house to have her coffee
made and have her, or be therefor lunch I don't know if he

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made her lunch, but to be therefor lunch by 1145 sharp.
If Bernie didn't show up ontime, she would straight up
panic and page him relentlesslyuntil he called or showed up.
I mean, she basically owned hisass.
Bernie, though, was taking hispiece of the pie, but not how
you would think.
He became a robin hood for thetownspeople.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
He bought about 10 different people cars, really,
because they couldn't affordthem kept on going and into
being good, why you keeppainting this beautiful ass
picture of this dude.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
I mean he was an assistant.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Like he was helping her through all of her golden
years with all of her gold.
Yeah, because?

Speaker 1 (28:56):
apparently, while she was married, her husband didn't
like traveling shit, so now,she's found this person that was
willing to do all that with her.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yes, and she had the money to do it.
Yeah, she was worth betweenfive and ten million dollars.
Just getting it outexperiencing things, and she was
getting monthly residuals Ithink it was like 200 grand a
month from this gas company.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Right, yeah, that's cool.
I mean, so far doesn't seemanything wrong with this.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
So so far doesn't seem anything wrong with this.
So he, like I said, he boughtabout 10 different people cars,
telling them he could pay themback when they could.
He bought a house for astruggling couple, a whole
fucking house.
Okay, he would havescholarships, but he would put
them in Margie's name for thelocal college students.
And he pledged $100,000 to anew building for the first

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United Methodist Church.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
And knowing how to do taxes and everything.
You can write all that off.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
All of it.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, it's perfect.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
And they show that in the movie too, where he's
talking about the whole tax shitCool.
He led the fundraisers for thelocal Boy Scout troop.
He bought the local trophy shopso that the business didn't go
under and that the town's kidscould still get their fucking
trophies every year for whatever, so like you're building up
this whole fucking thing rightnow, lindsey I was gonna keep

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going and I'll let you fly for awhile I did.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Now I'm in it, I'm in this.
Hey, hang on, wait a minute,wait a minute.
When the fuck are you gonnadrop this bomb that?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I know you're fixing to drop.
It's coming because I mean I'mlooking at very I've been over
here sipping, no more.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
But I don't need you because I'm getting.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
I'm getting goof booted over here but at the same
time, like I don't haveanything to drink about yet, I
know this is a very unique caseI mean, this is why I guess we
can talk about the good old days, because we've had horrific
murders the last two cases thishas been like, uh, rainbows and
unicorns.
I know I'm here we it's thisone's.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Okay, I'll get there, go ahead.
Okay, so he gave away collegetheater tickets that he bought
to booth sales.
He paid for expenses for thechurch choir concerts.
God, I have misspelled so muchshit in my in my thing here, but
I knew what I was talking about.
Okay, so, and he funded aclothing store for one of his
previous co-workers.

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It was called the boot scootinwestern shop the boot, scootin
western.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
I'm gonna call on bernie to pay some of my fucking
bill.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I know where you at bernie.
So around 1995 he would tellhis sister that he thought Marge
was showing signs of dementia,firing housekeepers and
gardeners that had worked forher for years.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Didn't know who they were Like, probably didn't know
who they were.
Dementia.
She was like get out of my damnyard.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
She started making Bernie do this work instead.
The only person she couldremember and trust, Like it was
said that she fired one gardenerbecause her flowers didn't
bloom on time oh yeah yeah,that's, that's tough, that's,
she's bougie as fuck yeah, soshe made.
She made bernie buy a 22 rifleto shoot armadillos that were

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messing up her grounds, becauseI guess armadillos can do some
damage.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
They're in Texas, lindsay, it's armadillers I know
, excuse me, armadillers.
Armadillers.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
And he wasn't comfortable using a gun because,
as the townspeople would callhim, he was lighting the loafers
.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
He was lighting the loafers.
I want to say that British, buthe's a little.
Lighting the loafers, I want tosay that.
British but haze a little lightin the loafers, that's better.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
It isn't much better, so she taught him how to shoot
the gun.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
I'm still laughing about this.
I'm still over your lap, LikeI'm turning away from the mic.
I'm trying to laugh.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
He's laughing into the plant.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
I did.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Give my Ivy, give my Lily some.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
I am chuckling Bernie over here over my plant.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
So she taught him how to shoot the gun and she
demanded that he take care ofthis problem.
If he would miss, she woulddegrade him and by this point
she had become very controllingand pissy towards him most of
the time.
When his sister asked why hedidn't quit, he said well, I'm
all she's got.
Not to mention he would inherita multi-million dollar estate

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if he just quit.
Marge was a bitch.
She would have rode him rightthe fuck out and she's like on
the edge of full-on retirement.
She's fixing to clock out.
She's done, she's been retired.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Well, I'm saying, like human life retirement,
she's fixing to clock out, oh,she's done, she's been retired.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Well, I'm saying like human, like life retirement,
Like she's been to clock out,she's retiring from life.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
She's retiring from life.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
So Thanksgiving of 1996, bernie went to his
sister's and said he went byhimself and he said that Marge
was going to spend the holidayswith her sister.
This was the one that was inOhio.
Apparently she was stillspeaking to that one, not the
one that lived in Carthage.
He still decorated her house atChristmas but said she was

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still in Ohio Early spring.
No one has seen Marge, andBernie said that she was
bedridden from being ill andthen he said that she had a
stroke and was in a nursing homeout of town.
He told her stockbroker thatshe was losing her mind and
possibly had Alzheimer's.

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The maid kept coming to cleanthe house and I'm guessing that
that was a new one after herfiring spree.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Oh, this is fixing to be good.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, but no one saw Marge herself.
Burning was still spendingmoney in her name.
Spree oh, this is fixing to begood.
Yeah, but no one saw Margeherself.
Burning was still spendingmoney in her name, though.
He even bought jet skis andpickup trucks for the college
performers of a Guys and Dollsperformance, along with $200
gift certificates to the BootScootin' Western Wear store.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Oh, that's nice.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Mm-hmm, in April I'm gonna go get me some chaps from
there.
All right, pay attention to thetimeline now.
Okay, thanksgiving, he's byhimself.
He says March, he's in Ohio.
Okay, so now we're in April of1997.
He performed with theShreveport Chamber Singers and
he got a long standing ovationfor his solo, like they were

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digging burns.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Look at there.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
I'm guessing in the movie it does describe where
Carthage is.
I'm guessing it's not far fromLouisiana according to the map.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
They could just hop on over.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, I'll hop on over to Shreveport.
Yeah, Because he had spent sometime in Shreveport in his youth
too, with another funeral on.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
There, isn't that crazy.
We just talked about Shreveport.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I know and I didn't even plan that right what?
In June he went on a Chamber ofCommerce trip to Nashville and
took personal care of anotherwidow on that trip who was
wheelchair-bound, and everyonejust delighted in his compassion
.
Who was wheelchair-bound andeveryone just delighted in his
compassion.
In July, a local residentcalled the sheriff worried about

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Marge.
No one has seen or heard fromher and this well check would go
unattended for another 30 days.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Whoa, whoa, mm-hmm, whoa, lindsay.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, nobody gave a fuck about Marge.
Okay, this one person did, butnobody else gave a fuck about
Marge.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Go ahead and drop the whoa.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
All right.
So they did get a hold ofBernie, who was in Vegas singing
at a student's wedding, and hetold them that Marge was at a
hospital in Temple, texas, underan assumed name, because she
didn't want to be bothered, justleave Marge the fuck alone,
okay.
Upon investigating this, theycouldn't find anyone to match

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her description, so they endedup calling her son, rod Jr, to
see if he had heard anything.
He said uh, no.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
And he decided to come down and he brought his
oldest daughter with him toCarthage.
This sounds like a perfectscenario for some bullshit.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Oh yeah, we're getting there.
So they went to search thehouse and saw that no one had
been there for a while, ninemonths to be exact.
Whoa Rod Jr's daughter noticedthat the deep freezer had been
taped shut and found that to bevery odd.
Lansley, lansley.
So she opened the deep freezerand moved some food around and

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wrapped in a white lands insheet.
Lansley was the body ofmarjorie nugent lansley and she
taught she saw the top of herhead, lansy, yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
What the fuck?
He doesn't.
So Hold on, let me get there,oh well, but he done.
All right, you get there, buthe done, did he done?

Speaker 1 (37:41):
I don't know who done , but so not wanting to mess
with any evidence, they had thedeep freezer hauled by pickup or
a pickup truck with a generatorattached to Dallas for an
autopsy.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Hopefully they keep it cold.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
The police started looking for Bernie immediately
and found him taking a LittleLeague baseball team out for
dinner with their parents andthey took him in.
It didn't take much for Bernieto crack.
He said the previous November,nine months earlier, he and
Marge were going to get someChinese and she was bitching at
him relentlessly and he snapped.

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He said he picked up the rifle,the one meant for the
armadillos.
Armadillos Hit her with thedeuce deuce and shot her in the
back four times.
Hit her with the deuce deuceand shot her in the back four
times.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Hit her with the deuce deuce.
I got the deuce deuce.
Damn Go.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Now the town went fucking wild, but not because
Bernie had killed Marjorie, butbecause Bernie was being
arrested.
Oh yeah, his bond was set at amillion dollars and a group of
ladies tried to raise that money.
The preacher was praying forBernie in church every Sunday.

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What?

Speaker 3 (39:00):
a perfect freaking dude that just snapped they
could not understand BecauseMarge was not liked.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
There's actually a quote from a lady in the movie
who says Could not MargeUnderstand?
Because Marge was not liked?
Nobody.
There's actually a quote from alady in the movie who says
there's anybody in town thatwould have shot her for $5.
Like she said, like it's awoman that you know has been
smoking fucking Misty 120s for30 years.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
I'm going to take a sip of this fucking drink right
here it's it.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Do you know what made me want to do this case?
Because there is a viralsoundbite of these fucking town
people on the movie on tiktokright now and I'm like that's
from fucking bernie.
I need to cover bernie and Iwas, like you know what?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
why am I?

Speaker 1 (39:48):
laughing about this fucker.
It's horrible, but it's funny.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Stuffed her in a fuck you, marge Doop, I'm gonna
stick you in the fucking freezer.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, it said that he shot her, put her in the
freezer, washed the blood offwith a water hose and went on.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Well, he didn like fuck you, bam and dupe, you're
out in the freezer, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Well, law enforcement I'm going to go sing.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
I'm going to go do some shit.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Law enforcement tacked on some embezzlement
charges to raise his bond evenmore, which would be at $2.7
million, and they just couldn'traise that money.
The prosecutor, danny BuckDavidson, danny Buck, that's who
Matthew McConaughey plays.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Oh, this is perfect.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
He was telling everyone, you know, because he's
from Texas.
Yeah, he was telling everyonethat would listen that Bernie
was a con man and had takenadvantage of an old lady.
And I'm sorry, I just don'tthink that this is true.
No, because he was genuinebefore that Exactly, and he has
plenty of opportunity to takeadvantage of any of the other

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widows in town, but he didn't.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
And kept giving, kept giving, giving, giving, giving.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
All he was doing with Marjorie's money was giving it
away.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
He couldn't get Marge , just to stop being Marge.
Marge was just too in charge.
Was Marge large?

Speaker 1 (41:10):
And I mean, like I said, he had good intentions and
he was spending her money forwhat he thought was good and she
just became too much and nowthe money had took hold of him
and he didn't want to let thatgo.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
How fucking old she had to be, from 19, what 11?

Speaker 1 (41:28):
15.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
15.
15.
1915.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
That was the year that my grandfather was born.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Is that 15 to 95?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, 96.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
15 to 96.
I'm not mathin', but stillthat's a lot she owed.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
I know I can't math right now either.
I've had too many white claws.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
I ain't doing it, but I mean, mean Bernie.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
You can't kill her.
I mean Bernie.
All you had to do was wait afew more years.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, a couple more hours, dude.
She had a heart condition.
She would have clocked out in acouple more hours bro.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
And you know it's funny because one podcaster even
said you could have justfucking smothered her with a.
Nobody would have questionedthat.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
She just looked like she died in her sleep in the
name of jesus, fucking justholding it over her face and my
heart but in total he did spendover a million dollars of her
money to do these good deeds forthe community.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
She advanced him to her, actually, like he said this
in his interview three milliondollars To do whatever the fuck
he wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
He could have just went and hung out for a few more
months If he would have justleft for a few more months.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
So whatever she done must have been fucking horrible.
Yeah, to do that, I mean tojust fucking snap.
She had to have been fuckinghorrible.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
It brought him to the point.
I mean there was a breakingpoint there.
Dude's been putting out so muchgood into everything everybody
and then all of a sudden I guessyou know he's helping people
get vehicles.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
There comes a breakdown.
You know he bought a strugglingcouple of house.
He's funding businesses thatwe're going under.
Yeah, organizations, yes,everything.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Sports, like everything that he could get
into, and he was doing it before.
Yes, and she was just like eh,eh, eh eh, eh the whole time.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
And I mean he was in some debt before he met her, but
nothing serious Like he owedlike $4,000.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Yeah, regular Joe just doing his shit, yeah I mean
like we owe that much Right.
But there's only so much ofthat negative that you could
take before it accumulates andyou just bam Right, you can't
anymore.
There's a point and she wasprobably pouring it on even more
with losing it, getting old,being like completely just

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controlling.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Because she was already a horrible person
beforehand Entitled.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
So if she did have, she was the biggest shit in the
world and she could do whatevershe wanted to, because she had
money and came into it.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
So if she did have anything that was like a
dementia or Alzheimer's comingon, it's just going to make that
behavior much worse and moreviolent, more scared, more you
know it's worse yeah.
But guess what was found inBernie's house?
Tell me Some videotapes of himand important members of the
town in unspeakable manner.

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Oh, they was doing some dirtystuff down there in Texas.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Well unspeakable to them and this was even law
enforcement officers.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
His defense lawyer's name was Clifton Scrappy Holmes.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
They all have side nicknames.
Yes, they're really slick.
I love that.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
I want to move to Texas so I can get me one.
We got Buck and Scrappy.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
So this was?
This was funded by some ofBernie's friends, Now Danny Buck
prosecution.
He was willing to take a pleabargain because it was going to
be really hard to find animpartial jury that would
actually convict Bernie, andusually it's the other way
around.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
That's a small town.
Do you have to pull?
Everyone loves him, but you hadto pull jury members from that
area first, right, and they allknew him.
They all knew he was amazing.
How are you going to find thesepeople?
Yeah, wow.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
So there was actually talk of an insanity plea
because Bernie, like I said,would have just had to have a
psychotic break to have donesomething like this, to have a
psychotic break to have donesomething like this.
But Danny Buck said it wasprobably because Marjorie had
found out he was spending hermoney in ways that she wouldn't
have and he probably panicked ifshe said she was going to

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expose him.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
But she gave him, she fronted him three million.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
She said that she would have rather him spend all
her money than to her family toget one thin dime Byrne burn.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
I feel like temporary insanity plea would have been
perfect for you.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
You snap dude like I said, I don't think that was
true and I think he just couldno longer take any more of her
verbal abuse.
But this is not how you solveit, bernie no, no, you wait it
out.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
you Go get you some anxiety medication.
Okay, hang on for 10 moreminutes.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Go to therapy about it and be like I can't take her
shit no more.
Please help me get through this.
And your psychiatrist wouldhave been like listen, bernie
wait it out, the flower iswilted bro yes.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
It's fixing to fall off the vine, bro.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Come on, bro, bro so when they asked him why he had
left her in a freezer for ninemonths, he said that he did want
to give her a proper burial.
I mean because, honestly, hecould have took her on one of
those planes and made herdisappear.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
He was trying to disassociate, though that's what
he was doing.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
You got it on.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
I'm coming up on that so yeah, okay, go ahead and fly
, but that's, I'm already cut.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Now Marjorie did get a proper burial outside of
Carthage and the family that shehad.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Did they bury the whole deep freezer?

Speaker 1 (46:39):
No, Jesse, that would have been me.
They thought her ass out.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
I'd be like this bitch here brick.
Here's the whole deep freezerwith her in it.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Now her family that she hadn hadn't spoken with in
years, in years.
Sorry, they did attend theservice, still laughing at the
plant.
Now I have to say I listened touh interviews with her and
impact statements from hergrandchildren that were acting
like that.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
She was this wonderful fucking woman oh, they
reverted because they weretrying to get back and I did
some back, I did some back shit,some back research.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Her grandkids had actually sued her in the past
for trust money that she wouldnot give them.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
That's exactly what I'm saying.
They're butthurt, they'retrying to revert, get back and
try to get some of that money.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Nobody.
She was not a nice person.
She did nothing nice untilBernie came along.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
She was not going to get a cent or whatever you just
said.
A thin dime A thin damn dimeMarjorie just effed all them off
and they were butthurt.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
She was done with all of them.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
But at the end of it, there they come.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Here we come, but we loved her to death and she was
the greatest thing.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Rest on ice Right, greatest thing.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Rest on ice Right Now .
Bernie did receive life inprison, which is, at that time,
30 years, yeah.
But he continued to do goodwork from prison, like
needlepoint and things like that.
He taught health classes, hesang in the prison choir and he
was a model prisoner.
But at first, upon arriving, hedid get attacked.

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But Bernie being Bernie, like,everybody came to love him there
too.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Right.
He couldn't work in hispersonality there at the
beginning.
Seems soft.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
They're going to go after him.
Yes, because if you hear himtalk in real life, he's very
soft.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Yeah, they had to establish their dominance.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
He can't be a hard person, right.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Now Rod Jr filed a wrongful death suit against
Bernie, saying that he took $3million of his beloved mother's
money that he barely spoke to,but that was not the case.
She had just given that to him,right.
So now the movie came out in2011 and it actually made which.
I don't understand this.
It made some of the people thathad initially been for him

(48:52):
become against him.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
We got to hurry this up because you've got to hit
play.
I know, Dude.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I want to see him play in this shit, like I said,
because I saw this and I cannot.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Unsee.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
I cannot not sympathize with him.
I cannot.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I'm not lying and I have researched, and researched,
and researched.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
And, yes, no, you shouldn't have killed Bernie,
but I can't hate him.
I'm going to say that I can'tdo it, it's horrible.
It's horrible.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
It's horrible, but when the light is that dim and
she is that shitty, and I want,I'm not going on his side for
doing the murder.
No, no no, but he should havelearned to hang out and get a
little therapy or something.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Please watch this movie and give us some feedback,
because it is very accurate.
It's almost to the T.
A few names have been changedhere and there, like the funeral
home name and all that shit waschanged, but that's it.
May of 2014,.
A visiting judge named DianeDeVasto of Tyler, texas, allowed

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Bernie to be released on a $10million bail after his attorney,
jody Cole, learned that he hadbeen sexually abused as a child
for many years by an uncle, andother people actually came out
about this uncle as well intestimony.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
So there's where all the giving back comes from.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yes, I know I told this one a little backwards for
you.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
I had to make it suspenseful you had to twist it
and then I got the realunderstanding right now fully.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Like I said, many, I think there was like four other
people came out about this unclefour to right now four.
It was four to six people cameout about this same uncle had
have molested them as well whatthe fuck yeah and he just kept
thriving toward giving back totry to get that he was healing.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
You know, just couldn't stop and then something
made him snap.
If you tie that and thattogether, you're going to get
that, I'm sorry, Like you'regoing to get that.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Well, she claimed Jodi Cole, I'm sipping now.
She claimed that the shooting,that's the worst thing Other
than the.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Even the fridge thing wasn't that bad.
Fuck, she was old as shit.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Stop it before we get canceled.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
I mean I'm sorry I'm on team Bernie, I'm sorry, it's
just like she's like a Weezer.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like they picked the perfectactress the perfect actress.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Dude actress dude, I'm so excited about this
fucking movie right now thismoment.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Oh my god, why do I gotta be on team murderer?
I know this is probably is thisthe only one I'm ever gonna be
on team murderer.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
The only one.
Well, fucking cheers, bernie.
I'm on team murderer right nowwhat so?

Speaker 1 (51:46):
she cut jody cole the hell, lindsey, wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
How the hell do you actually make me on the team of
the fucking murderer?

Speaker 1 (51:54):
I told you this was a unique case Holy shit y'all.
Go.
So she Jody Cole claimed thatthe shooting may have been a
brief dissociative episodebecause of the abuse that he had
endured, and this was backed bya psychiatrist.
And it was also said thatBernie's handwritten confession
was coerced by the officialsthat had been in Bernie's home

(52:17):
videos.
This is like the craziest thing.
I know.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
I'm sitting here like wide eyed and grinning and feel
giddy.
I'm giddy right now.
Why am I giddy right now?

Speaker 1 (52:28):
This is a hard one to .

Speaker 3 (52:30):
At the same time, I'm trying to swallow.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
You should have just waited it out.
But at the same time, if he didhave a psychiatric break, I
don't know he snapped.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
It was a temporary snap of all the trauma that he
had as a kid.
You know that.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
I have been through a lot of abuse and I've had a lot
of disassociative episodes inmy life.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Thank God they have included murder, and I've
episodes in my life thank godthey have included murder and
I've had no thoughts of murderperiod ever in my life, you've
never had anything equal to such.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
No but I.
When you do have adisassociative episode, you
don't know what's happening.
It's like almost like robotic,or like you're watching yourself
outside of yourself that's whatyou're doing.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
You're disassociating all reality in that moment.
So he snapped, did his shit andthen stuck her in there, knew
that it happened, but completelywas trying to shut that out
while he was right in his he waslike fuck, what did I?
Just he knew all this wascoming.
Yeah, he knew it.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
He knew it and there was I mean, there was even an
interview where he said he wasjust glad that it was dealt with
.
Wow.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Wrap this thing up.
I cannot believe, though, atthis moment, that I'm on his
fucking side.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
I know.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
How do you twist it around to where I'm on the
murderer's side on this podcast,Lindsay?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Because he was a good dude.
I mean, there's just no denyingthat factor.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
I mean, even the townspeople were Did you ever
think and I want to know fromeverybody else too If you were
actually on the Byrne side?
I'm on Team Byrne.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
And you've got to watch the movie to really
understand that.
Like I said, it's accurate,very accurate, very.
I mean I'm wrong, you werewrong, you shouldn't have done
it Right.
Still on your side, sorry Nowyou shouldn't have done it Right
.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Still on your side, sorry.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Now Marge's family learned about his release from
the media and they lost theirshit.
They said that the movie hadinfluence over the judicial
system.
Now he was out for two yearsand lived in the filmmaker's
garage apartment in Austin Texas.
This man was Richard Linkletter.
Jack Black also spent a lot oftime with him and he even says

(54:34):
that he was on Team.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Burn too.
Yeah, thank you, Jack.
Thank you, I'm going to tag youin this.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
And he spent time with him in jail as well as out,
because he studied all of him.
He embodied Bernie.
I cannot wait for you to watchthis movie because it's accurate
.
I can't say that enough.
It's so accurate.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
I won't sleep on your movie ever again, Jack Black.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Now, and I mean Richard Linklater, the filmmaker
.
He entrusted Bernie to takecare of his children and he did
things around the house to earnhis keep, but unfortunately, on
April 22nd of 2016, Bernie wasre-sentenced to 99 years.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
This is worse than his first sentencing.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
His first sentencing was 30.
Basically, life is 25 to 30.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
But you killed somebody that's like 599 years
old already and she is justDoesn't matter.
Jesse, it's murder.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Yeah, but she was at the end and she is just Doesn't
matter, jesse, it's murder.
Yeah, but she was at the endand it was in the back.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
But if you look at, the candle has burned out at
this time.
I could get 30 years, Iunderstand.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Well, that's what they were trying to do, because
at that point he had alreadyserved 18, I think, yeah, 18
years.
He had already served 18 years.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Time served, bro, and this was a jury.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
The jury that reconvicted him was 10 women and
only two men, and they fuckingreconvicted him for 99 years, oh
, and they played it good.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
This little old lady was so sweet and she just.
That's what I'm saying.
18 years later, it's a wholedifferent mentality.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Impact statements.
These people, this family thatshe had nothing to do with Now
you just dumped on me, reallysold it.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
You just dumped on me right now I know.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
So there was an appeal filed and the theft
charge was dropped, but thesentence was upheld and he is
eligible for parole in 2029 andhe will be 71 years old.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Dude, come on out, man there ain't.
No, they better let him out at71.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
He's not a threat.
In fact, the two years that hewas out, he could have done this
same shit again, but he didn't.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
No, he just snapped for a little bit.
I mean, I'm not trying tojustify it, we're not justifying
murder we promise y'all.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
But this is a very unique case.
You turned it to where I'mstill on his fucking side, it's
a very unique case.
It's conflicting.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
So conflicting, is that it?

Speaker 1 (57:02):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Oh my God, I can't believe you did this to me,
lansy, lansy.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Lansy, and that is our coverage on Bernie Tita.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
I cannot believe this one.
This is insane to me.
It is literally insane to me,and I had to give you this.
Thank you, thank you.
I had to Team Bernie Mm this.
Thank you I had to Team BurnMm-hmm, still incarcerated Was

(57:37):
amazing.
Snapped for a little bit,should have got 15 years.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Sorry, her candle was burning, or the 18 that he
already served before he wasreleased.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Time served.
Should have been time served.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Time served?

Speaker 1 (57:47):
I don't think that Bernie is a threat to the
community?
Wow With some therapy.
I?
I don't think that Bernie is athreat to the community.
Wow With some therapy.
I mean, he still breaks downand cries about it to this day.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
So many twists and turns to all these fucking
murders and crazy shit thathappens in life.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
And I think he has actually suffered a stroke now,
because I seen a more recentinterview with him in prison and
he's kind of got the-.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Drawing over.
Yeah, the drawn mouth.
Wow, my grandmother was likethat.
She had hers when she was young.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
That's tough, but Team Burn, I don't care.
Hate me if you want to.
Is that weird for me to say Ican't?
I know it's awkward.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
I can't hate him.
It's awkward I can't hate him.
It's awkward.
She's like I can't hate him.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
I can't hate him, but you can't like I don't, I don't
know, I don't and I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Maybe if I hadn't seen the movie first, I don't
know where I'm at conflicted.
I don't know what otheremotions at the end of the movie
for jack, for for bernie, forjack blacks, for Jack Black.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
For Jacqueline Bernie .

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Onassis.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Yeah, bernie Sanders, colonel, whatever Sanders,
whatever Bernie, that one washard, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
That was hard.
That's so weird.
I mean shooting an old lady inthe back.
Ain't cool man.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
No no, dude, no, dude , dude, dude, Dude, dude, dude,
dude, dude, dude, dude, dude.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
I still can't believe .
I heard somebody say to smotherher.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
I just no, in the name of Jesus, you smother her.
In the name of Jesus, you wouldhave been out dude.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
You would have never questioned that.
To be to be honest, no but hehad his mortician background in
his soul.
You know, it's like freezer andpreserver it was too genuine to
hide it.
Good enough I guess, I don'tknow yeah, I think that's it,
because I mean, like I said, heimmediately, he didn't hide it.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
So I talked to Jerry the other day from what band are
you plugging?
I talked to Jerry from DividedTruth.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Okay, we're going to go hear them tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
We're going to go hear them tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Well, okay, when this is released, it will have been
last week.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
We're going to hear Jerry from Divided Truth.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
We're in the past, present and future.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
But I also talked to a couple of other people from
another band also and I wantedto share them as well.
Can I do two?

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
on here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I'm allowed to do two bands.
You got time Can we for likeour number 20?
Yeah, can I do two bands, twofor 20?
.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Two for 20.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I can Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Two for 20, special at Applebee's A special at
Applebee's, you get an appetizer, two meals and a dessert.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
I'm going to play two bands for our 20th Is that cool
.
Yeah, because we're going tosee the other band too.
So talk to Jerry from DividedTruth.
He wants me to play Cut Out myHeart, and I talked to another
band.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Cut Out my Heart.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Okay, yeah, and I talked to another band as well
and I'm going to play it as well, but I won't tell you until
later on.
Is that cool?
Okay, okay, so I wanted to playDivided Truth, cut Out my Heart
, and then I'm going to playanother song after that.
Is that cool?
Yes, okay, sweet, sweet.
I get to play double the music.
Yay, I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Two for 20.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
So excited, so super excited.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Thank you.
You show the world that you'redead inside.
Cut out my heart just to makeyou see that you're not the

(01:01:59):
rhythm that it beats.
I cut my wrists in and watchthem bleed Before I surrender.
You won't see the chapter page,my vision through your stack of

(01:02:27):
lies.
It kills the truth as I watchit die.
Silence can have a whole lot tosay.
Your words are a prison I haveto escape With every word and
reason why you show the worldthat you're dead inside.

(01:02:53):
Cut out my heart just to makeyou see that you're not the
rhythm that it beats.
I'd cut my wrist in and watchthem bleed before I surrender.
You won't be the and watch themleave Before I surrender.
You won't be the chastity.

(01:03:14):
I should have known and seenthe signs and buried you With
those simple times.
I will cut out my heart just tomake you see that you're not

(01:04:05):
the rhythm that it beats.
I cut my wrists in and watchthem bleed Before I surrender.
You won't be the death of meand you won't be the death of me
.
You won't be the death of me.

(01:04:29):
Wow, and they're playing.
Tomorrow we're going to checkthem out.
Yes, that was a good song.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Wow, and they're playing tomorrow.

(01:04:54):
We're going to check them out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Yes, that was a good song.
It was very 311-ish Phil.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
I like the groove too .
It's very groovy metal.
I like it.
And they just got back togetherwith some new stuff and they're
going to be coming out atJackrabbit's and we're going to
go check them out, right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Yes, are we?
We're going tomorrow, jack.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Rabbit's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
We're going to go check them out, right?
Yes, we're going tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Are we?
We are To.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Jacksonville.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Sweet.
Thanks, jerry.
Thanks Divided Truth.
We've played with them a fewtimes.
Really cool guys, really cool.
He was a bass player for a longtime.
He's like I want to sing, soI'm going to do both.

(01:05:39):
I'm going to play another band.
I want to play another band.
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
are you?

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
playing.
Next I want to play anotherband.
The second band I talked to isjosh from tragic, which we're
going to see also at jackrabbits.
Yeah, and I wanted to share hisnew song.
It's called dead weight.
I gotta do two, because it's 20, is that?
cool for 20 two for 20 here.
Here we go.
This is tragic.
Dead weight.
Love these guys too.
They're awesome.
They're just fucking aphenomenal.
So check out this one as well.
Check out both of these bands.
We're going to see them andI'll give a review after the

(01:06:01):
show.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
On our next pod to love, take some videos, we'll
see.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Yeah, that'd be great , that'd be great.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
So That'd be great, so Tragic.
Deadweight, here we go.
Should've known there would behell to pay, decided to turn
your back on me.
Turn your back on me.
Should've known there was aprice to pay.
You started to bite the handthat feeds.
The fate.
Another knife in the back again.

(01:07:02):
And now the past is haunting me.
I feel it bringing me down.
You thought you took a part ofme, but I'm just cutting off the

(01:07:25):
dead weight.
Should have known you were theenemy when you decided to place
the blame on me.
Should have known there was aprice to pay when you decided to

(01:07:52):
bite the hand that feeds.
Should've known there was noprice to pay.
Excited by the hand, the face,the face.
Another knife in the back again.
A dog wag one's horns.
Another wound that I must mendAgain.
And now the past is holding me.

(01:08:13):
I feel it bringing me down.
You thought you took a part ofme, but I'm just cutting off the
dead weight.
Dead weight Go.

(01:09:02):
So good, you died of the ratrace, so I'm cutting you off
Dead weight.
So good, you died of the ratrace, so I'm cutting you off
Dead weight.
So cocky.
I'm tired of the rat race, soI'm cutting you off, damn right.
And now the past is on demand.

(01:09:26):
I feel it bringing me down.
You thought you took a part ofme, but I'm just cutting off the
dead weight.
Another knife in the back again.
Another knife in the back again.

(01:09:49):
I'm just cutting off the deadweight.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Another knife in the back again, lindsay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Great job.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Tragic.
You did a great job Dividedtruth and tragic.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Great job.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Check them both out and happy 20th episode, Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Yes, happy 20th.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
We will see you guys next Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Yes, like us, yeah, share us all the good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
So, and uh, lindsay, I can't believe that you had me
on that team.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
dude, I can't believe you had me and we're going to
watch Bernie now.